Patrik Simpson & Pol Atteu: Road Rage & Followers
46 min
•May 1, 2026about 1 month agoSummary
Jeff Lewis hosts Patrik Simpson and Pol Atteu to discuss a traumatic road rage incident on Melrose Avenue where an aggressive driver attacked their car, resulting in $10,000 in damage and ongoing legal proceedings. The episode covers the incident details, subsequent security concerns, and includes surprise call-in from the aggressor attempting an apology, alongside discussions of Paul's fashion design work and coffee reading business.
Insights
- High-profile individuals face disproportionate security risks and targeted incidents; the guests experienced 7+ violent/criminal incidents in 5 years despite being cautious
- Social media documentation of incidents is critical for law enforcement; police stated they couldn't have identified the perpetrator without the recorded video
- Celebrity status attracts both opportunity and risk; the guests' public visibility creates both business opportunities and personal safety vulnerabilities
- Restitution in criminal cases covers property damage and legal fees but not pain/suffering unless physical injury occurs, creating financial burden on victims
- Influencer economy rewards visual content and follower counts over business fundamentals; follower purchasing and engagement metrics drive opportunity allocation
Trends
Increasing prevalence of road rage and carjacking attempts in Los Angeles targeting high-profile individualsSocial media as primary evidence collection tool for criminal prosecution and victim protectionCelebrity entrepreneurs diversifying income through multiple ventures (fashion, podcasting, coffee readings, TV appearances)Influencer follower metrics driving professional opportunities and studio resource allocation decisionsCircular fashion and sustainable design practices gaining traction in high-end fashion productionPodcast guest appearances becoming primary promotional vehicle for reality TV personalities and fashion designersSecurity consciousness becoming normalized lifestyle requirement for public figures in major metropolitan areas
Topics
Road Rage Incidents and Personal SafetyCriminal Justice and Restitution LawSocial Media Evidence in Legal ProceedingsCelebrity Security and Targeted CrimeFashion Design and Sustainable Circular FashionInfluencer Marketing and Follower MetricsPodcast Monetization and Coffee Reading ServicesReality TV Career DiversificationLos Angeles Crime TrendsDental Procedures and Medical DramaCharity Work and Volunteer EngagementTelevision Acting and Body Horror FilmsInstagram and TikTok Growth StrategiesWorkplace HR DynamicsPet Trauma and Animal Therapy
Companies
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills
Sutton Brown wore a reunion dress designed by Pol Atteu; color changed last-minute by producers
Best Buddies
Charity organization where guests volunteer for mile walk with children with Down syndrome
Undressed with Paul and Patrick
Podcast where guests filmed East Coast celebrity interviews including Housewives and Amazing Race
SiriusXM
Platform where Jeff Lewis Live airs weekdays; mentioned as distribution channel for show
People
Patrik Simpson
Guest discussing road rage incident, fashion design work, and coffee reading business expansion
Pol Atteu
Guest discussing road rage incident, Sutton Brown reunion dress design, and social media growth
Jeff Lewis
Host conducting interview; mentioned upcoming nude acting role in horror film sequel
Kevin Antonio Hernandez
Called into show to apologize for road rage incident; claims he was taking infant to emergency room
Sutton Brown
Wore reunion dress designed by Pol Atteu; dress color changed last-minute by producers
Chaz Dean
Previous guest who sent gift bags to studio; customers having difficulty using promo codes
Julia Cunningham
Interviewing A-list celebrities; received dedicated parking spot and larger studio at facility
Kyle Richards
Changed reunion dress color last-minute, affecting Sutton Brown's dress design timeline
Tiffany
Conducts coffee readings; received $100 tip in New York; discussed tip percentage options
Quotes
"Money doesn't make you an asshole, but if you're an asshole and with a ton of money, you're gonna be a bigger asshole."
Jeff Lewis•Opening
"I thought it was a grandpa teaching his granddaughter how to drive. I didn't know it was two dudes."
Kevin Antonio Hernandez•Call-in segment
"The police said this happens a lot to a lot of people. And if I did not record it, they would have never found him."
Pol Atteu•Road rage discussion
"It's kind of like we don't look for this. It just kind of happens. But you know what? It happens to a lot of people."
Patrik Simpson•Incident pattern discussion
"That bitch got her own parking spot. I've been here for eight fucking years."
Jeff Lewis•Julia Cunningham parking spot discussion
Full Transcript
When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops. They said that I am by far the most difficult talent that they're working with. You know, we could say we don't judge, I judge, and I was judging. Money doesn't make you an asshole, but if you're an asshole and with a ton of money, you're gonna be a bigger asshole. Why are you looking at me? No, I didn't mean to look in that direction. Why are you looking right at me? Jeff Lewis has issues. Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has issues. In today's episode, Patrick Simpson and Paula too joined the show. We talk about road rage trauma, dental drama, and buying social media followers. Welcome back guys. It's been a while. Good morning. How are you? Please. Oh, James unlocked the door. How are you guys doing? I mean, for those of you that live under a rock and do not know, you both were involved in a terribly traumatic road rage incident several weeks back. I think you need to move Jeff before you move into that house. It happened around the corner from your new place. Yeah, it's in your neighborhood. Yeah. I don't know if you want to drive down that street. I'm not worried at all. I'm not gonna cut anyone off and flip them off. Oh yeah, okay. So no, I'm a very good, considerate driver. Yeah, you're safe. Yeah, so I'm not worried about any sort of road rage incidents. Is that how it happens when they break into people's houses and then they take their cars? Oh, okay. At least you're not a famous gay reality. Yeah, you're not. You're not. That's true. Excuse me, I need a hyphen. It's not just reality star. It's now actor. Thank you. Great point. That's right. Scripted Anna. Now, we should talk about all this publicity that you had. It's been good for business because you just booked a new role in a six episode television series. I did. Congratulations. Now, this is the exciting part, everybody. Oh, God. It is you are required to be nude. Yes, I'm a nude roommate. He's naked. Full frontal. Well, I'm gonna wear like shorts. Like, I'm gonna make him like, yeah, like, I'm gonna make him like little briefs. Like nude shorts. I don't need to see that. So this is, it's like a horror film. Yes, it is. Yes, body horror. I'm hitting the gym a lot. Time me up in the basement. It's the sequel to the substance. Of course. That was good. I like that. Hopefully he'll morph into something. I don't know. So you got to hit the gym because you're going to be completely naked. Yeah. But because Kean said that you have to do full frontal, but then now you're saying you're going to wear some sort of be key underwear. It's a full frontal thing. Like they'll be shooting me in the front, but you can't. It's you have to wear a flesh color. Yeah, because there's going to be a, what do they call those people again? Oh, zombies. No. Fluffer. Intimacy coordinator. I don't need a fluffer. They don't need. They don't want all that exposure. How did you know he does all day long at the house? I hope it's insane. I hope it's a close set. Extremely close. Like not recorded. Oh my God. I'm going to have to get behind the scenes. I'm going to have to do like little. All I'm going to do is this will be fun. I was expecting after, you know, all of these articles that I've been reading about you to, that you'd have some sort of PR people with you today. We did. We did. Yeah. Because you guys really pushed out that story. Got some good pickup. We didn't push any story. We didn't do anything. They picked it up. They called me when I was at the event and they're like, we want to do an interview. I'm like, who are you? How'd you get my number? Yeah. So why don't you explain it? When was this? When was that? Was the date of it? It was the three weeks ago? I remember it like it was yesterday. It was Palm Sunday. March 30th, March 9th, 20th, and let me tell you the real story because I know that Todd worked very hard with his reputation people to try to get this story, but he doesn't know. Don't you mean to create the bullshit? Yes. And I don't want to throw key in under the bus, but he admitted to some stuff yesterday. But you know, the dogs were, there were no dogs in the car. He did not flip anybody off. There was no such thing. We were not on the road at the same time. I was driving on the road early in the morning and I'm going to the, you know, the museum with the kids and we're having we're going to do charity. Yeah. I would have. We were. We were going to do charity. We were going to hang out with the Patrick the kids. You're just buddies. Patrick, you're talking to Jeff. He doesn't understand what that means. It's true charity. I know. So here you are. Just in a chew in his head guys. We're just chilling like villains driving on Melrose. Like I usually do. Safely driving. Yeah. Volunteering. And you know when I started driving Melrose because when I was at Fairfax, I was driving Melrose because that was like the easiest way to go. Side of the incident. And even coming here to the studio, I would just drive Melrose. So every day I'm driving Melrose and then all of a sudden I'm at the light. I've stopped at other lights before. Yeah. And I'm at the light. So a car pulls up in front of us very abruptly and I thought, okay, great. Maybe something happened to these people. Maybe something went wrong. So it was a minute or like a minute and 10 seconds because the police have all these records now that we didn't even videotape because we thought there was something going on with their car. And I'm like, okay, well, the lights still red. I mean, what's going to happen? They'll figure it out. It's 9 30 in the morning. There was nobody on the road. Guess what happened? What? He goes to the back. He opens up his door. Yeah. When he opens up his door and goes to the back of the car. I thought, hmm, I wonder what is like a flat tire like you're going to get something. I'm like, I was looking for something. He was looking for something. And then when he turned around and looked at us with this rage in his face and started storming the car, he picked up the phone and started. Already recording taping. Yeah. And I'm like, just record. I just, you know, you freeze in this moment not knowing exactly what's going to happen. I look in my rear view mirror. There's a car. I look to the side of me. The guy goes, I don't know what's going on. I look to the other right side of me and I'm like, there's a building. I can't go anywhere. And the way he blocked all the entire intersection is nobody can go. But I knew something was up. So I told him lock the door because I knew something was definitely up. Call the police. Yes, I did. I can't thank God we did. You know what? Thank God we did. And everyone can listen to the full account on undressed with Paul and Patrick's episode. Of course they can. Do you know that the police have the recording? He wasn't even on the road. And I asked the police. I said, what did I do? Like, did I do something to deserve this? Like, tell me. What do you two ever do to deserve these things? I don't know. I have no idea. The bad. I mean, it's just like bad luck, misfortune. Something happened. Dramatic events just seem to be drawn to you. It's a little crazy, right? Yeah, it's not like you chase them at all. It's no. No, he chased us. Yeah. So they had video. You don't chase these events at all. You don't look for these things. They just happen to you. I think it's just a calamity. Just happens. I don't get it. You know, some people, they just don't understand our love on a Sunday morning as we're cruising down the Boulevard. I don't know. So you maintain. Now, what I've noticed about Liars is that their story always changes a bit. So if you keep asking enough and enough enough, you got to pay attention to the inconsistencies. Okay. So what happened to the dogs? Yeah. I'm not. I don't know. I haven't talked to Kevin yet. I'd like to get Kevin Antonio Hernandez on the show to tell his side of the story. Well, he's got a restraining order. Yeah. So Kim, we're on the same time. We're on the D. Well, we don't plan to the D. A. Is he's going to be a regular? The D. A. Is actually got the D. A. Has stepped in. He's done this to other people. Yeah. And I think. And so have you. That's called the police, James. And security out in here. But it's interesting to know, you know, it's like a car jacking. You know how they come and do car jackings. Yeah. They, they point a gun. They point something at you. You don't know what to do. You just relinquish everything. All right. And then you walk away from it. It's just like all jokes aside. All jokes aside. You maintain that this was completely unprovoked. It is possible this guy could have either been trying to rob you or trying to car jack you. That is a possibility. What car were you in? Were you in the loner car? We were in the loner Mercedes. Yeah. But you know, he lives on Melrose and we drive. How do you know he lives on Melrose? Because when we posted the video, everybody reached out and sent messages. And then the police knew who he was to. They knew exactly what apartment he lived in on Melrose. So we passed his house every single day. Jeff, the guy has a record. I was going to ask you that. He has a criminal record. Yes. And he's done the same thing before. The same kind of thing. Yes. Yeah. And what he does. What has he been convicted of in the past? They won't tell us. They can't tell us. That one I don't know specifically, but it's in similar to stealing or whatever it is sort of a thing. But the last time he did this, he's the one that called the police. So what he does is he goes, is intimidating. He calls the police and he says they pulled a gun on me. The police show up and then he's like, oh, I'm protecting my family. And the guy's like, I don't have a gun. Like I don't know where this came out from. They get all the video surveillance. They find out that the other guy doesn't have a gun. He's got one. The other guy doesn't have a gun. And then you have to retain an attorney, go through all the hoops of being able to recover for your own life, right? So that you can get back on track. Why this is motive in doing that? I don't know. He's trying to steal Rob. We really don't know. The car is not in his name. Where he lives is not in his name. The only thing I could think of is that he was somehow targeted and I think that he either was going to break in Rob us. We don't know. I really don't know. But the whole situation was very, very, it was very scary. I think we looked all jokes aside. The glass didn't break. It's a little bit of a ruse, but you two do look affluent. So I could see. I could see why someone would want to rob you. Okay. He's the spark. I'm going to tell you something. Our car, our car is tinted windows and I'm going to get him extra more tinted. Extra tint. Well, you have to guys are so famous now. This car had no tints. You could see right through the loner. And I think if there was a tint, I would have felt like when see when he punched a window, he wasn't punching the glass. He was punching my head. And so where you're sitting in the car and where he was punching the window, he was aiming at my head and the entire air on the entire inside chamber just decimated. It just left. So he's did what we all want to do. Yes. Okay, Jeff, but he hit the window so hard that his knuckles were bleeding on our window. It was it was really, really crazy. And the police said $10,000 later. I'm like, are you kidding me? Why $10,000? I mean, in your defense, it's scary enough to have someone come up to your car. The way he hit that window with a lot of force. I mean, he hoped that he was going to break. I would imagine and that's terrifying. And you know what? And I'm glad that I recorded it because you know what? The police said this happens a lot to a lot of people. And if I did not record it, they would have done they would have never found him. They would have never got it. Now the DA's filed charges against him. Because now they know. Yeah. Now they because here's the other thing. They've had our video. Then they've gotten all the videos from where I exit it. Right. Freeway to where it happened. So all of Melrose is covered even in front of where he lives. He was never he was never behind us. He wasn't driving on the road behind us. He just came up driving on the wrong side of the road, came in front of us and cut us off and just trapped us at the intersection. I bet he regret he regrets messing with you, Queens, because you out. Because you out. You out crazy him. You out crazy him. He had no idea what he was dealing with. Can you believe he's like, go get him. I'm like, you want you want my life to be more danger than it already was. Like, go get him. Are you concerned about retaliation from him? Yeah, we had that. That's what we restraining order. I'm sorry you had. Well, I think well, they're investigating it because the Sunday after we had the building tagged the gate. Yeah. Tagged the alarm goes off at 6 30 6 45. Correct. And then we called the neighbors and we're like, okay, so what's going on? Like this is weird and it was. Oh, Marie and he was gone. He was in Marine Del Ray. It was Sunday. It was Easter Sunday. Yep. And so they said it was a gang that wrote like a bunch of things on the gate. I don't know what it is because I took a picture and sent it to them and then they broke into our neighbor's home. The house right next to our building. They couldn't get into the building. Same day. Same day. So because you share an alley. So they went inside his gate, went inside his house and then they stole a gun from it. I'm like, that could be an isolated. It could. We don't know. But I also will say Doug was awesome because we called Doug because we were at my dad's. Dub butin. Yeah. So we called him and he like, he's like, I'm in the shower but I'll get out and I will. I promise he drove over to the building to check it for us. So we didn't have to drive all the way in from Orange County. That was really cool of him. He went down the street. That's very nice. Yeah. Alley and called us and goes Doug's a great name. The windows are open. It's good because he's always home. Yeah. No, you can always count on him. No, we, the other day he had left the front door open and I don't, he's like, oh, I want to air, I want to air. And I don't know why he's leaving our front door open and we were, had just gotten back from New York. And so Doug calls me and he goes, are you guys still in New York? Because your front door is wide open. I don't know how this happened because we did not arrange this. But line 11, allegedly is Kevin Antonio Hernandez. Buenos dias. What's up, Trump? Shout out Shane. Shout out Kev. Good morning. Hi, Kevin. I'm not allowed to talk to you, Kevin. We have a restraining order again. Is this a violation of the restraining order calling in? I think so. Call the police. This was a big thing. James had locked the door. Hey, hey, silencio, silencio, silencio. You're such a bitch. Listen, listen, guys, this is a big misunderstanding. We have to figure this out. Jeff, I got it. Jeff, Jeff, please, Jeff, cut off their mics. Can we cut off their mics for a second, please? Yes. Sorry, Kevin, we have cut off their mics. Go ahead. Those two, yeah, they drive me local. Hey, listen, here's the deal. I didn't know it was two dudes. I thought it was two little ladies driving. Oh, Jesus. I thought it was a grandpa teaching. You know, the grandma teaching his granddaughter how to drive. And what happened was, hey, those two are so loud. Hey, listen, I was, you know, I basically, I was trying to take my infant baby to the emergency room and they cut me off and I couldn't move my car. And so when I came over, I was like, why is this little 12 year old girl driving? And then, and then they got all crazy. They were like flipping me off. It was nuts. And then like the cops came, but I got mad. I, you know, I lost my cool. So I just want to say I'm sorry, Patrick and Paul, you know, listen, in fact, I was hoping maybe you guys could help design a dress for my daughter's kids together. I can't. I just literally fucking can't. I see a lot of your dresses like a good will, you know, people get rid of them. And I figured, I know those two guys. I know those guys. I know those two guys and maybe they'll do a dress for me. And they have that, that little dog too. Boy, that thing is halfway to death. Nothing, nothing is where. Anyway, listen, listen. Hey, Patrick, I'm like, listen, no, no more fighting, bro. No more fighting. Let's just let bygones be bygones, but I got to go back to work. I'm a, I'm a physician. So I'm on call right now. I'll see you in court May 5th. Kevin and Toby. I appreciate your apology. That's fun. Okay. Hey, one more thing. I got something very important to tell Patrick and Paul. Yeah. I just can't. I actually, oh my God. Wow. He sounds like a good man. He sounds like a wow. He made a mistake. Yeah. And he apologized. He wants to buy a dress. Yeah. From goodwill to have them. It's been a long time since someone's wanted to buy a dress. I know. So this could be good. Uh-huh. Sutton, Sutton actually try to revitalize my career as a matter of fact. Thanks for that. Even Sutton can't help. A lot of press this year. Wow. Oh my God. So was there damage to the loaner car? Yeah, about $10,000. $10,000 over $10,000. It's in the kicks. Yes. It buckled the way he kicked it apparently. I guess there's like airbags inside or whatever. On the sides. On those cars. Yeah. And all of that is damaged plus when... The sensors, everything has to be re-renewed. It buckled. Like the thing is buckled so they have to like... you can't just... Do you two receive any sort of like medical compensation or anything like that? No, we weren't medically injured. And then after the May 5th court date, if he's criminally charged, will you follow up with a civil lawsuit? He has to have a civil lawsuit. Yeah, of course. It's part of the DA is already... That's part of what he has. Absolutely. You have to. You have to. Because my insurance has to pay for all the expenses now. Correct. I'm paying for everything now. Until I'm able to get restitution. I see. I can't go through his insurance. So you're looking for restitution in addition. Well, because to pay for... Well, we should, of course. No, to pay for the car. Right. To pay for all the filings for the attorney's fees, all this stuff. Sure. Because I can't do it on my own. There's no way. No. So in addition to being reimbursed for the loaner car and whatever attorney's fees you've ordered, you also would like restitution. Well, the restitution is all of that. So there's no money for me. No. There's no money for me. There isn't. Because he didn't really touch us specifically as an example. That was the difference. The law detective determined that was a law. Thank you. There's a movie that I... Years and years ago, it was like with Steve Martin. It was called Dirty Rotten Scandal. Scandal. Scandal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a reality TV version of that. Oh my God. That's a great idea. Yeah. It's on Amazon. My guess is there's some sort of compensation coming your way. That is my guess. Well, it's pain and suffering. Well, there should be because we were really traumatized. It was very, very, very difficult. You know what you were. And let's talk about that for a second. Because you were upset with Kean that he never called and checked on you, right, Patrick? I was. No, I was. I was. I didn't talk to Kean. I have no idea. No, I wasn't mad at him at all. I said, oh, Kean, you're calling me to do your job. Did you get a little attitude for them yesterday during the pre-interview? I didn't talk to him. So how did I get an attitude? Maybe that was the attitude. No, he called me salty. I'm like, don't categorize me like everybody else. I'm not salty. Were you physically injured in this altercation? Was there any sort of? Emotionally, yes. Oh, but no, I'm asking like physically. No. So you didn't go to hospital? No. You weren't treated for any sort of injuries? No. I'm going to go right after the show. I see. I'm about to go. Could you? No, because I just, I mean, why would he need to check on you? Right? If he wasn't any sort of physical injuries. That was why. You know, you know what? Did you say something about him checking on us? Because I didn't. No, I didn't. What police said, what police said is this happens a lot when there's women and children in the car. Because you have a child in the car, they just them walking up to the car, people are petrified. And they're throwing their bags like you're taking my bag and trying to like run away every day. You turn on the news and you see people are being robbed. Houses are being broken into. No, I just say you too. Car's are broken into. That's the only store that they're running right now. Cars are broken into. So I'm glad that we brought attention to this because it's a real serious problem. It is. Apparently. Do you think he saw that sweet little Snow White thinking she's sweet and thought these two are vulnerable because they have this. You know, I I I've been thinking. I've been thinking. Yes, and I can tell everybody to get a snow boo boo, Paula to dot com and you'll get your own. Oh, actually, I do want to talk about that. We should mention that there's been a lot of DMS to at JL Jeff Lewis as well as and I'm sure you've received DMS to James and about people wanting to return to snow boo boo's and wanting to get their money back. And I called the number on the box. Do we have that? No, it's not answering any calls right now. There's a lot of returns. So where do people go to get their money back and return these snow boo boo's? www.pullatoo.com. And then you can use the code Jeff 20 and get $20 off for another snow boo boo purchase. Yeah, I don't think that's the point. I don't think they want a second one. I think they want to return the first one. And while they're at it, they can book a coffee read, use Jeff 10 for coffee read. He's back to doing coffee reads. Oh, good. I had to. You know, you had you to pay the attorney's fees. Had to take a little break for the loaner car and the mortgage. No, but you know what, Jeff, I don't wish this on anybody. It's a very different. See, when I got beaten up and he came up from behind me, I didn't see what happened. So I wasn't faced with the fear when you see somebody coming at you with rage. There's something else that happens to your body that I never experienced before that I thought. But you did in 2024 because you were attacked in 24 as well. Yes, he was. You were attacked in 24 and 26. No, I wasn't attacked in 24. I thought that you were. Oh, not 24. We were robbed. That was in 20. But he was, but he was. 20. 20. 20. You were. Right. 20. 2019. He got a rest. I mean, he got went to jail and stuff like that in 2024. And convicted like five years to be able to get him to accept the. So there was the robbery in Amsterdam. There was an attack in Amsterdam. Yes. There was the attack at the fashion show. There was the attack on Melrose. Yes. There was the robbery of the Beverly Hills store in 2020. Yes. Did your house get broken into? Yes. Three times. Yes. I mean, I was in a car, of course. Yeah, he did. A couple of times. They had a couple of Melrose is not worked out, but I was run over by a car. It's not like it's kind of like, it's kind of like we don't look for this. It just kind of happens. But you know what? It happens to a lot of people. It's really, I mean, we live in LA. I love LA. Well, it doesn't happen that often. I mean, I don't, I don't think people have like seven incidents in five years. No, I mean, I'm you guys every eight months. I mean, okay. So, but, but, but listen to this. We have a store. It's an open public space. We're very public. We're with public people all the time. We're out in the open. See, Shane, you're not a public people. I don't take. I'm not as public as that. I don't take Uber's everywhere. I drive my own self everywhere. I parked the car. So real. I parked the car because I want to take Snow White for a tinkle. I should be able to do this. Correct. I don't. She can still tinkle on her own? Of course. Oh, no pass it or anything. She's not wearing, depends like you yet. Oh. What, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that is, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, I'm thinking. You just, you guys are all, you both are just so altruistic. I mean, especially after hearing about the charity work on Sundays, I just thought, oh, this could be a really nice contribution to the world. Oh yeah, we're doing the best buddies walk on Saturday. On Saturday. Yeah. What's the best buddies walk? We're going to walk with the kids from Downs, we have Down syndrome and best buddies. Yeah, it's an organization. In Long Beach, we take a, we have to walk a mile. We can't walk farther than a mile. Yeah. So we're going to walk a mile with them. We walk in a circle in a mile. This is not a charity you two are running, right? No. Oh, no, no, no. Best buddies is a huge charity. Okay, good. Okay, so you're just volunteering. You're not involved in the finances or the fundraising or anything like that. This was the podcast you were on, I'm just, sharing me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're part of it. Yeah. Now I'm curious because you were saying that while you were at the police station, Paul, you were, again, so brave getting on Instagram and, you know, sharing your experience with us. You said that you, when you were standing at the counter, you felt very vulnerable. So you would turn your ass around. It was my back, but if my ass is there, yes. You wanted your back to the wall. Is that because of all the prisoners? No. I love that. I've never been to prison as a matter of fact. Well, you two will be going soon. It's just a matter of time. You know what I thought about? I want to teach at the prison. I thought about that the other day because you know, I'm at the university. No, I don't think so. You must have really tempted those prisoners. Well, how many times were you at the police station? Multiple. I mean, I hope you covered up. Oh, do you have to? No. No, but it's, you know, it's kind of crazy when stuff like this happens, you go through it, you understand it, you're living your life and you don't want it to kind of consume you. But at the same time, you become like there's a switch that just turns on that innately like when we go to the restaurant, I have to sit with my back. That's why I sit here. Yeah. I have to see the door. I said, well, we also told you where to sit and that's the seat you always sit in. That's also the guest seat. Yeah. That's where you normally sit and your back happens to be to the wall because I, yeah, but if you were going to make me, I get to somewhere else, I'd have to come over here. I would have to come. I would have to change my seat and sit somewhere else. Yeah. He could have taken your seat. Such bravery. I mean, you guys are heroes. Thank you. Yeah. Don't you think? I appreciate you understanding that because you could have lost me. You would have come into my funeral. How is that going to look? What would you wear? I would have gone live on Instagram. Oh, TikTok for sure. Oh my God. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. That's a good. Oh, I want to. I want to. I want to be a fashion forward. A sequence fanny pack in your honor. I made a cape. Oh, I love a cape. Oh, I would wear a cape. What would you wear? Jane. My shoulder. Yeah. What would you wear? I think something with a mid-dress showing probably. Oh, that's. Oh, like. Oh, maybe a speedo. Oh, I would love that. A scarf. A speedo and a scarf. I like that. I love that. Now. in dental hell right now. I went for the fourth time yesterday. Just so the whole drama is I went for my cleaning when I after my colonoscopy and they discovered a bunch of things. So then I went back and I had them done but they had a temporary on. And when I went back to have the permanent, they put the permanent on and they're like, doesn't fit right. So then I went back yesterday and I sat in the chair and she's like, here's the thing. And I was like, no, there's no way. She's like, it's not gonna fit right again. I got the permanent. I didn't like it. I see it on the mold. I asked them to make another one. I don't like that one. We have the specialist coming in. But every time this happens, they have to grind down the temporary, redo the scan and then put another temporary. So I have another temporary on. Is it painful? Well, it's like the grinding and all of that. Luckily, all you eat is toast. Exactly. So I think we're almost done. They're gonna try to expedite this permanent and hopefully I can get it put on on Monday and just be done. So it's kind of a bummer. I feel like- This is a lot of going back and forth for a little temporary thing. I was saying to Brandon last night- They seem incompetent. Oh my God. You need to go back and forth and back and forth. What kind of insurance do you have? I know, but at this point, I have to see it through the end. Why? Don't tell him. Don't tell him what your insurance agent is. I have to see it through the end. What? What doctor are you going? Don't tell him. I was saying to Brandon though, I feel like someone cursed me. I mean, I always have- Oh, that never happened though. I always have teeth issues. Oh, I just have terrible teeth. Those two. I just feel like I'm gonna have to sage myself this weekend. They said, I told them at the break, I said, they said, when are you moving? I gotta move in tomorrow. They said, oh, we wanna come over. I'm like, I don't want your back karma. I didn't say we wanna come over. I don't want your back karma anywhere near my house. We gotta sage it. As a matter of fact, I drive in front of it every day. Please take another road. Take Highland. Can you take Highland? I'm gonna have to detour? I will say the dentist as I was leaving, she's like, and don't say anything. Please don't say anything bad about us on the radio. Well, we didn't say their names. No, we didn't. And actually what I said to them is, I really appreciate them wanting to get it right. Like a shitty dentist would just pop it in and throw some cement on it. Oh my God, I should have been right the first time. How hard is that to put a fake highland? It's a lot of times. It's a very complicated fit with this tooth. Oh please. He's complicated. They wanna get it right. I mean, yeah. And I want it right. They realize that you got a real pretty mouth. But I'll tell you, I've had so many people's hands in my mouth. Oh, you've had more than hands. You've had more than hands in your mouth. Yes, the dentist, the hygienist, the specialist. Oh yeah, of course. A lot of hands in my mouth. Okay. Can we talk about the DMs that Chaz has been getting? Okay, so Chaz Dean was on yesterday. And we really talked about his products and people always respond. So we have a new code, we have a code Jeff and Chaz sent me, I think it was at 940 last night. He goes, oh my God, it chumps have been DMing me relentlessly. I have already responded to 45 chumps. There's 45 more I have to respond to tonight. They can't get the code right. What's the code? He goes, I don't understand, it's so easy. It just says code, you just type in Jeff. They're typing in code, code, code Jeff. Oh my God. The sport chump was typing in code Jeff. It already says code. It's just J-E-N-F. I know, and so I explain, I go, Chaz, I go, God love the chumps, but a lot of them are special needs. So you kind of have to guide them through. Welcome to the cult. They just can't get the code. How hard is it? It says code, you put in Jeff, it is so easy. I'm typing in code. Yeah, but when you're saying code Jeff 20, then they're typing in code Jeff 20. No 20, just, no 20. Just J-E-F-F. Well, the easiest solution is just add an extra code, code Jeff. To put the words together. And then it's, so if they put it wrong, they will, then they'll get it. We're not rewarding bad behavior. I'm just gonna have to figure it out. Now, so he brought us these beautiful gift bags, which he always does. And the girls on the front desk love it, and Oscar's taking, he took one to his mom and his sister, and Chaz is so generous. He comes with a trunk load of gift bags. So I said, you know, I'm supposed to have this HR meeting. And Smelly is here, she's here two days a week. Smelly and HR. I don't know when she's here, I'm not exactly sure. You know, they're all. Yeah, he doesn't get called in like you do. She was here yesterday. So I said, do me a favor, Jameson, because I don't wanna talk to her, because I'm afraid she'll be like, oh, come on in, have a seat. I need to talk to you. What's the HR meeting for? No one knows. Well, we have an idea, but. So I said, Jameson, take her a gift bag. Oh. And so what happened when you walked in? I went in holding that bag, Smelly's face lit up. I was like, we had, she's like, I know when the billboards, I said, yeah. So she was really excited. She immediately opened the bag. I said, it's probably bribery. And she's like. It's not probably bribery, it's bribery. We should put cash in that bag. And you wonder, and you wonder where I get this. Oh my God, this is where I learned it all. But it's very smart. The Jeff Lewis school. Because she probably never, never gets gifts because everybody hates her. HR has sometimes has some bad. Nobody likes HR. You know what her gift is? Or she has really bad hair. She's going to take it as an offense. No, she's actually kind of cute. Personality not so great, but she's kind of cute. People love stuff. People love stuff. Jeff, you know what her gift is? Every time you walk into her office, she has to write you up. What I am. She keeps getting. Job security for you, Smelly. Let's reframe this. If I was in here causing trouble, you probably wouldn't have a job. She should be sending me the gift bag. So you just admitted that you caused trouble. So you just admitted to causing trouble. No, he doesn't do that. I'm like you guys. Wrong place, wrong time. I know. You get it. It's insane. That's why I kind of like you too. It's a circumstance. You can't be this pretty and not get in trouble. Well, I know. I know. I feel you. Sorry about that. I know. It's awful. So Coffee Reads, I heard you did a lot in New York. First of all, why were you in New York? We were filming undressed with Paul and Patrick. We did all the East Coast friends that we have. Oh, all the podcasts, the podcast. Yeah, yeah. So instead of them flying in, we go there. So it was easier to do it. So we had Housewives on. We filmed with Housewives, Amazing Race, Big Brother. Julia Cunningham, never call. I know. I just saw her this morning. I was about to go tap on her window and go Julia, what's up? That ego, let me tell you, I like her. But what happened? See, this is serious exam. They're creating a monster. All the A-list celebrities, they're sending Julia, they're flying her all over the United States to interview all the big stars. I'm a big reality star. Have you seen me on the news? Can I tell you? I already, first of all, they moved her to a bigger studio. I saw. I saw. Uh-huh. So they moved her away from us. Yes. And they moved her to a bigger studio on the other side with a beautiful natural light. And then this morning, I pull into P4. There is a cone where Julia parks. I saw it. You saw that cone? Yeah, they're going to put her name down. Oh, my god. Yeah, that bitch got her own parking spot. I've been here for eight fucking years. Oh, my god. So this is the poor section. That's the Beverly Hills. The other side has a different zip code. Pretty much. Oh, wow. Jeff, I need to go. She's on Dayton. We're on Gardner. Well, Gardner is the new rodeo drive. Says who. We do. No, look, it's no Beverly Hills, but that building was a great investment. Yeah, I love that building. It was one of the smarter things that you guys have done. I need coffee reeds, people. I'm back in the game. I'm doing coffee reeds. And is that how you launder money through the coffee reeds? You know what? I'm thinking about how to do it. Although it's all credit card. It's all doing credit card. I'm like, I need cash. They don't want to. Can I get some tips? Do they tip Tiffany? I'll ask them to tip. I have to ask a tip. I had a tip off. We should do a tip option. That's a great idea. That is a good idea. Right? I should be tipped. That's what you should be doing. I'm changing lives. Because we did one of the coffee reeds. He did one of the coffee reeds in New York. Well, Tiffany's changing lives. I don't know what you guys. No, you're entertaining people. Well, she's not changing lives. The life already happened. She's giving them valuable information. No, so is Paul. Paul's coffee reeds are amazing. But I'm changing your life now in the present. Now. So many people have had great experiences with their coffee reeds. That's at least 25% tip. Don't you think? And do what restaurants do. Don't give them the option for like 5%, 10%, 15%. 80%. Yeah. It's like great idea. Do like 25%, 35%, 50%. I really think I should. You got $100 tip in New York. And then put other, but make sure the button doesn't work. I think that $100 tip was for something else. No. Well, you handed it to me and said. I know, but I think when you were gone, I think they wanted me to go to the bathroom with them. Because we were on the lounge upstairs. Jeff, I'm getting propositioned a little bit. I like that very long. Is that what it is? Just like Kevin said. That 12-year-old that was driving that car. It's a soft feminine look. It is. Look, I even got my nails done. Oh, yeah. You like it. These straight dudes are into it. They're loving it. They're loving it. Did you paint your nails on the flyback from New York? No, I did it at the hotel. Yes. I only clipped it up. Did you get upgraded? Yeah. Both of you are just you. Both of us. Both of us. Both of us. I have a question for you, Patrick. And no, Snow White does not pee. No, Snow White flew and she sat in the middle. You put a diaper on her, I hope. No, let's Snow White do it. I don't know who spilled the water on the couch at the green room, but that was bullshit. It does not wait did not pee on the couch. She's on camera. We have it on camera. I want to see it. I want to see it. We have it on camera. I really want to see it. We have you spilling water on the couch. Do you think it was me that peed? Probably. Probably. Well, you could barely get into your suit. You're trying to get into that night. So the depends would have added an extra inch and a half. You're right. I couldn't. There's no way I could get the depends on and my suit. That was already tied enough. Why wasn't Ty there? See, if Ty was there, you'd be on better behavior. I was on good behavior. No. Oh my God. Are you freaking kidding me? You. We got along great. I don't think there was any. Were there any confrontations at all? No. I thought we I thought it was perfect. Everyone forgave you for clipping your nails. They forgave you for painting your nails. They forgave you for letting your dog pee all over. Can I say that? The only person that got yelled at was Todd for putting the pizza in the oven upside down. Oh, that was kind of that was pretty stupid. I mean, I don't even understand how you put a pizza upside down and try to heat it up in the in. And we're all sitting there. He was burning that new house down. And you don't even put it on anything. Insane. Caitlin has a good question line to Caitlin from California. Hi, Caitlin. Hey, gorgeous. Hi, guys. Hi. How are you? We're good. I'm good. Well, there. Sorry about your traumatic experiences. Thank you. I was just wondering if you're. Thank you for understanding, Caitlin. Somebody in the studio does not relate to that kind of trauma. I think she's being sarcastic. You know why? Because he's the one creating the trauma for everybody else. Exactly. I'm just more concerned about Snow White because I love animals more than people. Are you taking her to trauma therapy? Yes. She has a pet therapist that we are taking her to. And I'm sure going to be reimbursed from that for that. She went to go and do all her lab work yesterday. And they said that she's fine, although one thing was a little off. And then, but she's fine. Yeah. She's she has a dentist appointment because they're going to, I think we moved to a deities that's like just. But she's also very whenever we get in the car now, she has to like kind of lean on my arm in her bed because she's very scared to. It was really. She's so weak. She can't stand up. She can stand. How dare you? But when nothing happened to the dog, the dog was in the back seat. She was in the back seat. She's in the back seat. She's a front seat driver. Nothing happened to the dog. She was very trauma-sad. She was so scared when that punch happened. Very scared. She actually curled up inside in the middle of his thighs. Yeah. Not much room, but she tried to get in there. Very, very terrified. You'd have to be terrified to do that. I don't have time to take line two, but she wants to know if she could book a coffee read for today. Are you doing coffee reads today? We are. OK, and where do people go? Pull it to dot com. And it's ATTU dot com and pull this P-O-L. Correct. It's probably not your birth name, but now it's P-O-L-A-T-T-E. OK, you. And then you guys are going to do a coffee read summer tour. We are. We're going to Atlanta, Chicago, Phoenix, Northern California, Seattle. It's like 10 cities. And then when does the tour start? It starts in June. You guys can't leave sooner? We're coming over for dinner first. No, because I'm starting that new show. I start filming that show in May. Where you're naked. Where I'm naked, yes. It's going to be insane. I don't need to see that. Nobody needs to see it. Now, I'm curious because I did a little research and it looks like, so, Paul, you've had an incredible career. You have pulled it. Is it over? Oh, my God, wait. It's been over. You are a designer. You are a teacher. You are this. I don't know how, but this incredible, like, I guess you're you're not a medium. Are you a psychic? Is that what we call you when you do these coffee reads? I guess I'm intuitive. Intuitive and a good one. Now, yes, your Instagram following is 118,000. OK. But Patrex is 204,000. Because he's naked all the time, Jeff. He wants to take out that shirt. He wants to be in a freaking Speedo. They don't want brains. They want body. My Instagram really jumped when I was in Croatia on that naughty tour. The bone party. The bone party really helped. He's booking another one. Does it bother you that he buys all these followers? Buy any followers. And you're pretty much, you're the business. Right, you're the business. I'm doing legitimate. You're paying for these bots. Yes. No, he doesn't. I find it suspicious that you have 204. He doesn't pay. I'm showing you my professional dashboard. 2.2 million views. You only have 118. I know that. But I have 1.8 million circulations every month, every 30 days. And you're on TikTok every day now. He's going live on TikTok every day. I go live on TikTok. Oh my god. I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to walk by the house and critique the house live on TikTok tomorrow. My house? Make sure to get the address number. By the way, I think Kim was telling me that you have the address of your store on your Instagram. But aren't you a little concerned about security? No, because it's cameras everywhere. You can find it anyway. It's like a store. It's like people come and I do my coffee reads there. People drive by there. People honk. Now they're coming to the new location. And then when they go to Dayton, they're like, Paul, you're not here. Where are you? I'm like, oh my god. We only have three minutes. But I do want to mention that you designed Sutton Stratx. No, not Sutton Stratx. Sutton Brown. Sutton Brown. Whatever. Sutton Brown's reunion dress. And is that this week? Is that airing this week? Tonight. Oh, there's tonight. So when you watch the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion tonight, just know that Pola 2, not Patrick Simpson, Pola 2 designed Sutton's gown. And there was a little drama around it because I guess last minute you had found out that Kyle was wearing a certain color. You had already designed a gown for Sutton. Yes. Sutton was supposed to be wearing black. She wanted to wear black with the nude with the lace. And we picked the textures. Everything you designed was black. Yeah. All the stuff that I was going to do. And then we find, and she was on a trips. And then when she came back, she found out that, oh, the color has to change. Four days before the reunion. As we're trying to change the color, they were giving her very specific colors because now everybody else had already picked a color. So she was limited in being able to choose another color. So we decided to do circular fashion. And I took one of the gowns that I already have into boutique and we recycled it through. He tore it apart, put it back together. And then we did it in a whole different way to fit her and shape her body. Why didn't Sutton tell the producers that she was wearing black? Why did what she did? It was already approved. They changed it last minute. How do you do that when someone has a dress made? Kyle. Four days before. Kyle changed it last minute. She has that kind of power to reach right. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Live every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app. On booking.com, it's easy to book your holiday home. And thanks to flexible cancellation, there's no more. Lodges all booked, folks. Mm. Oh, Kaz and Robert coming now. Oh. With booking.com, you're free to be flexible. Oh, easy. So you can go from home to holiday home with no dramas. Bigger place booked. On booking.com, finding a holiday home is easy. And relax. Booking.com, booking.com, yeah. 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