Mike Reviews The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Kinda Funny Gamecast

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Head to factormeals.com slash kind of funny 50 off and use code kind of funny 50 off to get 50% off and free daily greens per box with new subscriptions owned. If you want to get our shows ad free and our exclusive shows go to patreon.com slash kind of funny. The rain is pouring down. You can hear it just storming downpour hitting the top of the building. The roof is just getting pelted by rain. The front door opens. Mike looks outside and says oh my god it's actually really really pouring down. Yeah Mike we can hear it it's crazy and he leaves anyway. He decides to go to the corner store because he needs to buy something. He wants to buy water because we don't have water blessing. We don't have water in this office and then put the kitchen about in a fridge that gives water. About a minute later runs back and says that was a mistake. It is bad out there. I am just drenched. Oh my god we're looking at him like damn you're drenched dude and then he walks near his desk and goes oh my god I don't know where my phone is and I said well I called you and spoke to you on the phone as you were walking into the studio and he was no yeah but I had my phone then. I just I think I left it somewhere out there. I think it fell somewhere out there and he walks to the doorway and he's looking out of the street. No eyeglasses. No nothing to help his vision and I said do you need me to be your leg loss. What do your elf eyes see and I walked down to the street and as we're trying to see through the downpour Mike that's your phone in the middle of the street way over there. Oh my god it's still pouring. He takes off back out there picks up his phone in the middle of the street comes back in. The man is drenched. Already went through his first clothing change of the day. Good thing I brought three more. How are your pants feeling. A real wet. Underwear wet socks. You don't want to start your day like that. We always talk about a good foundation. Solid pair underwear. Solid pair socks. You don't want wet socks. But here's the deal. Can we just highlight modern technology. That phone still alive. That phone is 10 plus. I don't know if you can call that model. Still kicking. It's phone is 10 generations old. It's playing the new borderlands test game. That's not a game. Really impressive. Yeah but it's not receiving calls. No it is. He's exhorting that noise. He's you know it is. Everybody woke him into the kind of funny games. And call me today. I have to stop this. For example I'm listening to Roger and bless my dynamic duo The draw and the taste maker on games daily today. All of a sudden the sound stops. I'm like why would my podcast stop. I'm listening to them. I look down. The phone's ringing. It's Andy. Oh he didn't know. Gotcha. Gotcha. It wouldn't make a ringing noise. No not of course. I walked out of KHD and I just see a very wet mic and I hear the breathing and I'm like I don't know what he just went through. But it was something. He went through a lot. Everybody this is the kind of funny games guys for Friday April 10th 2026. It's April blessing. It is April. It's not mine. Hey you caught up to April. Wow. Silly Andy. He's in the current one. Just reading whatever's on there. April. I'm Andy Cortez and I am joined by blessing Adioye Jr. How you doing bless. I'm doing pretty well. How you doing. I'm doing great. I'm excited for the weekend. I'm excited to get some more gaming and a lot of gaming to be been done this week. Been setting up that AYN Thor almost like super ready to go. I mentioned I was at my desk yesterday. I just typed in I in Thor AYN Thor. I want to say I in because I can read yeah. Yeah. AYN Thor and I was looking at it and then I brought up a Wolf Den video. Ah I had like a 20 minute. Here's what you need to know. Here's how you set it up and halfway through I went this too much for me and I closed it and went I guess I'm not getting that. He was like you need two launchers. You need to do a lot of crazy. Yeah. Oh yeah. Retro arc. You know to get all the things going and then I'm using cocoon as the launcher on top because it's a dual screen launcher. What if I just give it to you. If I get in Thor. Yeah. Could I just give it to you to set up for me. Yeah. I could I could essentially just copy everything over. Yeah. What's your rate. Yeah. How much do I have to pay you. I'll play deadlock. Oh keyboard mouse. Yeah. I'll play it. Wow. Yeah. This is exciting. Okay. All right. I'll think about it. All right. But I also very very selfishly used my Greg way yesterday or two days ago to not only talk about the top 100 game top 100 games. Fine. Top 100 games of the year coming up the things I'm catching up on the backlog and trying to sell my old AYN Thor. I just used it as like an advertising that anybody I'm going to sell this for a really good discount. Washburn is the first one who gets the best discount on it. If he says no then I will sell it for a good price. I just didn't want to take a bath on old AYN Thor. I bought a purple one translucent not as translucent as I wanted it to be. You know all the transparent. I buy it off you. It's already sold to disruptoid. John Fick. Fucking John. So that's a John Fick. John Fickle more like got it all set up and I'm very very excited to keep on going with it. Snowback Mike. We are also joined by who is the topic of today's show because Snowback Mike. Thanks for having me played Zelda Ocarina of Time. So Mike Mike is playing Majora's Mask right now all watchable on his Twitch channel and his YouTube channel. And also he's very wet right now. Really wet. I'm really sad to say that I've forgotten everything about Ocarina of Time. How is that possible? You didn't catch me at the right time in the you know the rules. I know people still want us to review Dark Souls. I got a bear trap. You know what I mean. That trap is ready to bust. And it's like I open it up. Here's the moment. You want all the knowledge. About three days later. Fuck gets in the trap. It's gone. I lost everything. I'll tell you what. I mean I'm dealing with that too. Mike and bless because Barrett walks up to me every day and says here's where I am at near and I go where is that. I bring up my game. I bring up my game play. I'm like that's where we're at. So I just asked him something a day that I was scared to spoil anything. So I skirted around it and I had to like Google it off to the side so that I didn't spoil anything for him. I mean the the C playthrough for people wondering. You played near what a month ago a couple months ago when you would come in and bear has been doing this too of like being saying oh yeah I hit this place near for you. It's been a couple months. It's been nine years for me since I played near. And so whenever you guys say something I had to like pause and be like I don't even remember that happening. Like I couldn't I could barely recap the story of dear for you. I'm overdue for a play replay through. Well under you know as we're going to eventually get to our Ocarina Ocarina of Time remake or Ocarina of Time review and then later on kind of remake discussion as we start play through B in near automata because back when I remembered beating play through a when the game first came out I be played through a I started B and went oh I'm just going to play as the dude as Niness the whole way through. I don't know if I got time for that. So I didn't do it all the way. But I totally forgotten that you start off as one of the robots. Yeah. And there was people in Chad going Andy this was not interesting enough for you to keep going. I was like yeah you're right. I fucked up. Yeah you're definitely right. That's crazy. Yeah you don't immediately start off as Niness. Yeah. And he's trying to help his brother. Yeah. And Niness is like machines can't be brothers. Fuckin idiots. Oh man. Oh man. What a game dude. I feel like we'll be able to help you out with this all to our arena with remembering blessing. You know once I pop the top it's going to go. Yeah. Okay. Pops atop. Like once I get in this the flow state has been like I think I played Ocarina 16 years ago about 25 years for me. I played it. I played it late as well. Came out 1998. Yeah. On the end 64. My mind is blown playing this today thinking wow kids were playing this on the end 64. Yeah. And they were also solving all of the puzzles and the dungeons. There were moments where I was head scratching. There was moments where I was like there's no way anyone could solve this problem. Prima strategy guys. Are you kidding. Exactly. They went hard and I used them for mainly drawing but a lot of it was also secret solving because I never had a 64 growing up. Okay. I had gotten the PS one. This was my this is my theas game. My thea bought the 64 and she and my brother were primarily the ones playing it and I was off to the side and I'd get handed the controller every now and then but I was mainly drawing and just absorbing every single song that could ever be you know absorbed from that soundtrack because I think it's one of the best soundtracks of all time but if you're watching live you could be a part of our show by super chatting over on youtube.com forward slash kind of funny games. Remember we couldn't do this without our producers on patreon.com forward slash kind of funny so thank you to Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster, and Delaney the Psalm twining. No more dilly dallying everybody. Let's start with topic of the show. Snowbike Mike reviews the legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time a 1998 classic one of the highest reviewed games ever. I believe it's the top medic critic reviewed game. When I go to medic critic it's number one when you go to the highest force. A game that just you know opened up so many people's imaginations and introduced a lot of people to the fantasy genre period. Oh I mean genre defining. Yeah. What do you want to say? I mean especially in video games obviously right but when you talk about the fantasy genre yes but when you talk about action adventure in a 3D video game I think legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time is the one that you need to point to as far as this is the game that set the tone going forward. And set the blueprint for so many games after as well bless. Is he targeting? That I'm playing this now going oh wow look at all the stuff that they were doing and like what I'm doing in the modern day of gaming and like enjoy a lot of that was here in this game. Yeah and it's impressive. I mean I remember back in the day before because again I played Ocarina in like 2010-2011 somewhere around that allegedly might have played it on keyboard mouse. Not mouse actually just keyboard because there's this emulator that many people know called Project 64 that I had learned about at that time and was like hold on you're saying I can play anything any Insta keyboard game. I could play anything on my laptop while I'm in college between classes and so I was like well I'm gonna play Ocarina because I never played Ocarina and back before that my friends would get into arguments about the greatest game of all time. Is it Zelda Ocarina Time or is it Final Fantasy 7. Oh that was always the back and forth and my friend Stevie was always like Final Fantasy 7 is the best game of all time and I'm always like yeah but I hear people talking about Ocarina though you know people are saying that Ocarina is the one so I had to play Ocarina and like Mike I'm really excited to hear you talk about it. Yeah I mean we're talking about a game that when you look at from that you put yourself back in your shoes as a kid and the first time you see Mario 64 it feels like you are seeing something that is like a technology that shouldn't be allowed to exist. Mario 64, I'm sitting in my grandpa's house with my Theos Nintendo 64 they're plugged in because they were visiting from Austin and I'm like dad look at he's running everywhere are you shitting me this is unbelievable remember that that's the same dude running left to right on my screen here he's running all over the place and then to get it and then your mic starts going wild and it goes what if they do this with Zelda because Link to the past was so special to me and then to see the Ocarina of Time come out and go oh my god this is one of the coolest things ever and you're playing music on a little instrument called an Ocarina this is unbelievable it was just one of those extremely special games that is very very special for a lot of reasons. Snowbike Mike what brought you to playing this game? Yeah I mean let's set the tone here of course as many of you know in my kind of funny journey in my gaming journey I was a big N64 kid me and my little brother got a PS1 from grandma for Christmas one year and when we went into Blockbuster the PS1 had just released so there wasn't enough games on the PS1 and there was more games on the N64 so we asked mom we begged mom to trade in the PS1 for an N64 bad decision at the end of the day because it was the end of the life cycle but it was a great decision because it was a childhood treasure that we never gave up we still have it to this day and I love but it's crazy that my N64 journey was none of the first party staples that everybody knows I didn't play Mario 64 I didn't play Zelda right I was playing of course Mario Kart Mario Tennis Mario Party but we were playing Crank Griffin Junior Baseball Conqueror Bad Ferday right Glover 64. Glover. Glover man. I was playing everything that was not Zelda and Mario Donkey Kong 64 had that of course. Mike said that's the mainstream I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a normie. Saw the cool case the the all gold you know N64 case but like never played it and as many of you know as well we've made the joke you know I thought Kirby was just a Super Smash Bros character and then I played Forgotten Land fell in love with that one. Now did you did you own Rated Rumble Boxing? Of course. Okay. I know exactly the kind of kid you are because I had a yeah there was somebody in my neighborhood that was exactly like you where I would go over to his house he had an N64 had no first party games. Exactly and you're like what's going on here. He had like an MX versus ATV off-road game though. Of course. He had Rated Rumble Boxing. I'm like. Reff Barved Madden or would I afforded that class. Plus that was Moose Kids. He had Star Wars Racer. At that. Everybody. Snowboard kids. You look at their snowboard kids. Oh yeah. You look at their class and you go why do you have Bomberman but not Mario. Where's Mario. So yeah. I never knew up with Zelda and it's like I've had the funny joke of like I thought Zelda was Link for the longest time right. I thought a lot of these characters were just Smash Bros characters and then over time I've decided to try a little more and more and step out of my comfort zone. A lot of people saw here and kind of funny. I tried a little bit of Breath of the Wild a little bit of Tears of the Kingdom never stuck with them. So this is my first ever Zelda game to completion. This is my first ever time saying I'm going to see this all the way through and do it. Do you think you stuck with it because it was more structured and not as just open as the Tears and Breath of the Wild. Yeah. More story to carry me along. It was the narrative that brought me along. Right. Like we're playing a game from 1998 on the end 64. Right. Like it's not the most modern of controls. It is very fun to play still. It holds up to this day. But like it's not like hey here's Breath of the Wild. I think any kid's going to choose that over this game in a heartbeat of like just more fun to play. It's cool. It has different things going on. But the narrative is what brought me along where I was like I'm committed to trying this and like want to see it. I chose this because it is the highest-rated game on Metacritic. I was like oh that's crazy. I've never played it. Let's give it a try. See what happens. And yeah from the moment go from the Deku tree the roots of the Deku tree to finding out that just so you know chat this is a Snowbike Mike spoiler cast. I'm going to go full spoilers on this. Okay. I think I'm going to ruin this. It's very okay to spoil. Get ready. I'm going to ruin this. If you're waiting for the remake you better start. Star Wars episode. Star Wars episode was called Empire Strikes Back. Everybody knows. From the roots of the Deku tree to finding out that my main man Link isn't one of the four stealths. Okay. And he has to go on an epic journey. He's got to go save the kingdom of Hyrule and the dying breath of the Deku tree says go forth. When I was a kid I always wondered where are the parents for the Kokiri kids? Where are they at? Just kids forever dude because they don't grow up. It's the Deku tree. Yeah. Deku trees. Yeah. Also this is one of those games that you grow up and then you hear people pronounce things in the game and you go damn there was no spoken word back then. So to me this I always said Kokiri and I've heard some people go Kokiri and it's one of those weird ones where people would say Deku tree and shit like that. Kokiri Mike. It's Kokiri. Definitely Kokiri. I was going Kokiri a lot. Yeah. For me Ocarina was the one where I would say I think I would say Ocarina. Ocarina. Yeah. And then I would hear people say Ocarina. I'm like oh interesting. Mako word. Mako Rino. He was doing a lot of that. Yeah. And so like from the moment go you're just involved in this incredible story right. And you know your girlfriend at the time hands you the first Ocarina and I'm like what is this little device. What is this recorder. Saria. You know her. Saria. Saria. See there's another one there. Saria. I can't leave the forest. You got to go and he goes off on his journey right then and there with Navi. His of course incredible little guide which is a lot of fun. A lot of people were like Mike you got a Z target and then you can actually highlight Navi to tell you what's going on in the world rarely ever used that. We don't do the touch. I don't need the touch. Yeah. I don't need the touch. I'll tell you what touch I needed when George is mask. You need to follow the touch on that lot going on in that game. We'll talk about that another time off on this journey. Go to Hyrule Castle and immediately you get greeted with the coolest jabroni ever. Two people. Well one which is because the opening cut see or not the cut see but like the title menu does like a bunch of like cool like moments from the game. So they spoiled me with the jabroni and a mask and an awesome outfit that I've seen in Smash Bros. Cheek. And I was like yo who's that jabroni. I want to know more about that. Super cool. Incredible reveal. We'll get to that later on but you get met with Impa. Impa yeah. Who is Zelda's bodyguard. Princess Zelda's bodyguard and watcher and keeper. So cool. She's badass. The whole setup of like you're walking in. You don't know anyone. No one knows you but they got a feeling like this guy he might be the guy. Special. And then the dwarf shows up. Ganondorf. First time ever seeing this guy. Yeah. Imposing. Big. You remember him from Smash Show right. Yeah a little bit. I never really played as him. Not many people in my circle ever played as Ganondorf. You know what I mean. Nintendo as well blessing you know the rules. Nintendo. Here's $20. Unlock all the characters. Give them all to me. Just give them all to me bless. I'm so sick of it bless. Even in their free to play Pokemon game they don't have my versions. You know who got me. Was that killing. They got me good. You ready for this. I'm making pottery last night Andy. I think hey I'm gonna have a nice zone out. Mindful minute. Mike's stream we're gonna make pottery. I'm like oh double finds got it. They make this credible pottery mechanics. Let's do it. It's an open beta. Oh I'm not later this month though. Oh okay. Right around the corner. I go to the step up to the wheel thinking oh I'll have all the things unlocked. All the special tools. The different pottery mechanics. No they locked it behind level gates which means you have to jump in to the pottery brawler party game to then level up to then earn what I wanted right. So I couldn't get the straight edge tool. I couldn't get the finger pressed to make everything wobbly and fun. Couldn't use the sponge. Had to level up and play. Can you slot the card. I said hey double find. If you want to make 20 bucks really quick. I'll give you 20. I got you. I got a quick 20. I'll call the pottery stuff for me. Great stuff. But very very fun of course. Meet and Ganondorf for the first time. Princess Zelda looking through the window having that conversation with you of like hey this guy's up to no good. He wants to rule the kingdom. We got to stop him and then you go off on your epic quest. It was amazing. Wow. Wow. What else you got to say. I mean the dungeons the character. Yeah. Let's let's start just so special. Right. I would love to start with and also why are they called a death mountain. I know that's an intimidating name. It's cool. It's cool. It does have like a volcano in in Ocarina. I'm thinking of Breath of the Wilds death mountain that is very much like yeah I guess like at its core when you go in there there is lava and stuff. So yeah like it is a volcano. Yeah. It's not like active like blowing up but like yeah there's lava inside a little bit in the adult link where you have to like cross the way and it's blowing all the like magma rocks at you. I feel like if I'm coming up in a civilization and we learn about a volcano for the first time and we're like oh yeah there's a mountain there but like in the center of it there's fucking molten lava that'll kill you. If you ask me for a name for that thing I'm probably going to call it death mountain. That's probably death mountain over there. Mike what was the hardest thing for you to get used to and acclimated to because we're talking about a very old video game that operates and works way differently than what you would expect. What took you the longest to kind of get over the hump? Yeah you'd be surprised nothing. Yeah. Because I'm just a gamer. Yeah. Absolutely. I absorbed everything. You know what was the hardest thing for me was remembering the Ocarina melodies. I hated that I had to go to the menu because there's 12 maybe eight of them maybe 16 right because it goes like there's the top ones that do things and then the bottom ones which are your teleports right and it's like I could never memorize the eight pattern button press that I had to do with the six pattern button press. I would go to the menu look at it literally get out of the menu forget it by that moment. You didn't do any naming like a sort of naming device. Left up right. Left up right. No I didn't think of that. I didn't think of that but I did love the beats. The music was fantastic and so yeah I forgot so many of these in the modern day if we talk about like a remake later on it would be hey I just want to press this in the menu automatically play it for me. I didn't want I don't want to remember bullshit. I don't remember that was the only thing that held me up during this. And this is looking surprisingly crispy. Yeah what were you doing here with these mods allegedly. No I was on the switch having a great time. Oh okay. Okay. Sure. Real crisp. What were your favorite moments of the game. Becoming best friends with the Goron King. Okay. Okay. He named his son after you. Pretty amazing right because you saved the day. Yeah. He named his kid after you and then the hardest part was saying goodbye to all these characters that I fell in love with right. The Goron King loved this to Brony. Me and him have this ultimate bromance right of like yo something's going down in the center of this mountain. I need you to come help me and stop this and like we'll do it together. We saved the day and he's like guess what I have to now become a sage because you need six sages possibly more to lock Ganondorf away in the realm in the secret realm. And so like the moment that me and this guy become best friends and then he's like oh I've now become the fire sage here's my medallion goodbye. It's like no bro absolutely not we just became best friends but then you travel back and it turns out he named his kid after you because you saved the day. I thought that was pretty cool. What do you think of the time jump? Time jump was pretty wicked. You know my first time with the master sword. Yeah. So that was a big deal. You know a little underwhelming at first. I'll tell you what I think. You mean like discovering them getting the master sword. Yeah when you get the master sword at first I don't think there was like a maybe I forgot it already. You want more bombast. It wasn't a huge like moment or anything for me of like I pulled it out of the stone I think because he goes to sleep for seven years and then wakes up as an adult right. So it's like I don't know I don't remember the master sword being all that epic. I was guess in my mind when you think the master sword and all the tales of all these games I thought it would be the most epic scene I've ever seen in my life. Gotcha. Okay. Something about being in like the castle kingdom post time jump and like seeing like the zombified people walking around and how like dark and the re dead. The re dead. Like they were nasty. They jump on you and suck on you. There's something about this image that's still kind of like it doesn't sit well with me and I still love like again it's such such a throwback to just you know pre rendered backgrounds and yeah just these weird kind of JPEG images on the screen that you're kind of walking around. It's just such a call back to old school game development and how they you know figured out tricks and things like that but the re deads were absolutely the most horrifying thing as a kid 100 like experiencing these are be a whole lot on you. Yeah and the screen that they let out. Oh the word. Oh and then kind of shocked you too and you couldn't move for a second. That's how they got closer. Yeah the worst is right. Very cool moment there. Like you said after Ganondorf has taken over for seven years and just destroying everything it is really cool to come back to Hyrule Castle and just be absolutely destroyed his own castle now. It's pretty bad ass. It's cool. I want to hear about your favorite dungeons. Favorite dungeons. Great question. Bless. I liked the water temple a lot. It was challenging. Okay. I enjoyed that right. I thought that was like a cool moment of like hey we went from Death Mountain because it goes Death Mountain right into the first water temple. So it's like oh that was a cool like hey this is how it can be complicated and frustrating. Let's see what else they build. Loved the one probably the shadow temple. I think it's what it's called where you use the lens of truth. Yeah to find the holes on the ground and make sure you don't fall in. Love the lens of truth. Okay. If you look at my thumbnail of the lens of truth maybe two best friends golfing because that's the truth. What does that mean. I don't know. I had no idea what he's talking about. So what was your favorite item besides the lens of truth. Were there any moments where you went oh shit I love this hook shot or I love this. Hook shot was cool. Like the hook shot a lot. You like that. I remember seeing that. I made that. That's a good one. I'm getting really good with thumbnails now Eddie. Look at going to my pottery one really quick. I'm learning now to put layers on top of layers. Oh look at that. Learning to put layers on double layers. Layers on top of layers. That's how Photoshop works. When I was doing it I just take my face I put it on there and then just like poorly erase things and hope that it would look good. Now I'm doubling the layer that I want to use it on. My face sandwiched in the middle like an Oreo. Yeah and then I erase the top layer so then I'm not messing on it all up. I told you about masks before and how to be non-destructive. They taught me some really cool stuff and I forgot. Yeah bless. I mean what were some other things that I like Andy. I like the reflector shield. I thought that was cool with the light. The mirror feeling. That was really fun. The hook shot was great. I really when you're a kid you have the boomerang. Yeah. I really let down. I thought I would use the boomerang all the time. So it did suck to like lose the boomerang quite quickly. That was a very underutilized weapon there. Or just like tool. It felt like a lot of the kids stuff. The slingshot, the boomerang. The torches were cool. I liked the torches with the stick. The Deku sticks that you turn into torches. But like it was surprising like the boomerang I started doing some crazy stuff with. I was going to save that kid that turned into a tarantula. So I was on the path of getting all the gold. Oh yeah. And so I was whipping the boomerang and then people would be like oh Mike but like how are you going to get that? And I whipped the boomerang back at it and it would pull it towards me like the hook shot. They're like I don't know if that's how it's supposed to actually work. And I was like don't worry about it. Must be a mod thing. That's like the other thing is sick right. So yeah. Once I was like I thought adult Link would use the boomerang. He uses it in Smash Bros. Yeah. Kind of let down by that. I always loved as a kid just getting the different color schemes for Link. I wish they pushed that further because like you know obviously you use the blue tunic to you know be in the water and the red tunic is like fire or heat burn resistant whatever the hell. But I was always hoping as somebody who you know just loved the idea of costume changes because of like Mega Man X and just upgrading that stuff. I was always hoping that by the end of it when we're fighting again we're like in a white or like some sort of like golden kind of. In other Zelda games do they mess with costumes like that. I mean Breath of the Wild and constantly yeah for sure. Really you can mess with the outfit like that colorways and stuff. That's cool. Well not even colorways. I think you're just rocking different outfits. There is also a shop where you can go and dye all of the like pretty much anything that you pick up that is that's like a armored set. Yeah and change the color. Yeah I mean red and blue stand out. It is very cool to like change out of the green. I think the green is still the top color for me because I just like green but I mean blue being able to now breathe and swim underwater right. You learn how to dive deeper then you get the boots that allow you to walk underwater. I thought that was super sick. Oh my god. Did the princess get eaten by her own father is what I was on for a while. And then I was like no it was the god of the you know Jabu Jabu Jabu Jabu Jabu which was super cool right. Jabu Chamberlain and then she was like hey we're engaged now because you have my mother's ring and I was like that's pretty sick. I really like that you know what I mean. Now as we get near tour as we get near the end of the video game what are your thoughts regarding Ganondorf. We get that Ganondorf second phase turning into Ganon. What are your thoughts there as far as like how influential it's been to other stuff in gaming. Well oh the second phase. Yeah yeah yeah I mean it was super wicked awesome. I thought his second phase form was very cool looking as well. I love the tennis back and forth volley. I just didn't think about that when it was finally time because you don't do the tennis volley for so long that when it was finally time I'm like am I supposed to reflect it with the shield. Am I just running in circles. What am I doing here. And then someone had a poke me and be like you're supposed to reflect it back Mike like swing away and I do like that though. Working up that volley going faster and faster. He's eliminating different pieces of the floorboard around you like it's god damn fall guys and you're trying to navigate that and then yeah become super Ganon at the end. Super cool. I would like to ask you to rank some things. Yeah later. I would like you to I would like to ask you to rank. Yeah the best boss the best boss is based on their looks and the best boss fights in terms of mechanics. The ones that you enjoyed playing the most. Okay do we have a list of those. We have the first one is Queen Goma who's the big ceiling crawler in Deku tree. Yeah after that we got the dango. Oh the dango's. We got a vulvegio which is also like I was around the time I learned the word vulva so I was like what is that. Parasite inside Jabu Jabu. Of course we got bongo bongo. See bongo bongo bongo bongo was cool. That was the shadow one right. The hands yeah the hands yeah shadow temple that was cool. To me the coolest one just based on the name alone was twin rova. I was always just so in love with the name. The old lady twins turning into the baddest lady on the planet. This right here is the game showdown segment because like if you gave me the images and the names of the bosses I this I would not get a hundred percent. No me either. I would not get me either. Yeah I'm just looking at the images here on a on zelda dungeon.net. I'll send it through to assets. I'll take a look and we can rank them there. We also have Baranade which is like that kind of jellyfish one with the kind of like a weird underwater sort of thing. Oh see Baranade was the one that I'm I think I was thinking of for Jabu Jabu. But my favorite is Phantom Ganon. I mean come on. That one's so cool. Him popping into the paintings and then like you have to figure out which one he's going to pop out of. So sick. Little just quick like jump to Majora's Mask bro. How about the goats. The goat fight. Andy. Very dark souls. Ask. I never played. I never played. Oh remember the chariot fight in dark souls. We ran in the circle and the chariot was chasing you around. Which dark souls one was that. You know what it is. See the dark souls. Two. Two was the chariot fight. Yeah. I like so much. Yeah. They got that in zelda. Majora's Mask. Oh OK. This guy that turns into a giant goat. Oh. Chases you in a circle. Super sick. Nice. Really really like that. If I'm looking at all this. I mean of course it's Ganon. So yeah I mean it's you go old Shooks. Phantom Ganon into Ganon and then Ganondorf. Twin Rova. In terms of looks. Bongo bongo for just looks and fun. Those like the highlights out there. I always thought Morpher was sick as shit. He's. Volvegia was cool. I mean it's impressive. The game is just good. It holds up to this day. Did the Sheik reveal. Surprised you blew my mind. Really. When I first saw Sheik. Yeah. No idea who this person is. But you're cool. I have no backstory at all. That's amazing that you didn't know that. I'm thinking it's Zelda's mother or Link's mother because like you get the whole reveal at the deco tree like Link your mom dropped you off at my roots. Very eras like it's not a bad guess. Very eras like of like hey back in the day you were dropped here by your mother. She was critically injured like she couldn't go on. She left you with us in the forest fairies. She knew that you would go far and you're just not one of us. You've got to go out there. And then I'm like oh shit who's this lady that just keeps showing up. Right. She got the cool hair coming out of the mask. I got no idea. She's badass. I'm like okay. I didn't know it was a lady. Link's a badass. Growing up I just thought it was a cool dude with like the sickest hair ever. I was like I want that hair. Ribs set off and it's got their princess Zelda. The coolest. I'm shocked you didn't know. Kabobson chat says what's cool is that not even Smash spoils this. No they do because if you pick Zelda in I think Smash Brawl. Okay. Pretty sure her down beach trans or maybe her ultimate. One of those things transforms her into Sheik. I don't even know that. Really. Yeah I don't remember that. Unless I'm misremembering. I mean no you're I mean it's I'm just saying I have a bad memory so that doesn't even like click to me. And it's crazy because I've played years of Smash Bros. Yeah. People like we've yelled Sheik before but I didn't know who it was. Yeah. Okay people are saying she doesn't melee. Yeah her downbeat transformed her into Sheik. So cool. I assumed that everybody knew that. Oh no. It was a major reveal. It was an awesome. That I mean the game. I mean go broke right because the game came out so long ago and like they have this woman be this powerful character and I learned what the the Triforce is and means I never even knew what the Triforce was. People can tap one of the three. What are the three three is wisdom courage and strength power. I believe how I like that. And then the three golden goddesses who made the world of Hyrule super sick and then we knew who we got it. Jin and I don't know the head names. Well I'm blinking. Barrett knows this. Yeah now I'm stuck on the don't look at chat. Nobody look at chat. I already looked at it. Nobody look at chat. You looked at it. Well I think well it's it's N a y are you right for one of them. Yeah I've always said yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jin is is Jin not one of them. Is you're close. I was one of them. It's it's you're close. Put a D on it. I'm going to look at it. Yeah. Oh then then. Peror. And then the reveal that Ganon goes and because the what the room of wisdom or the the sacred realm is open right or whatever that's where the Triforce was. Ganon touches it but he's not in balance with the golden triangle. You got to be a valour. You have to be in the golden triangle. Yeah and he grabs it and it's like no you're not worthy because you're not in balance right but we'll give you the power but then strength and wisdom will go off to the the people that are selected that are destined for this and who has it on their hands. It's Lincoln Princess Zelda epic. So cool. Awesome. What a great. You're making me want the movie. This is the first time I'm like oh shit I kind of want that. Unbelievable that these three will be entwined and entangled together for the rest of time. Yeah like it's so epic right. And so then he's like he he's he's tracking wherever link goes waiting for the perfect moment then traps both of them captures Princess Zelda. He's like here's the deal. I'm fucking chopping off your guys his hands because I'm getting this Triforce and they're like no no man you're not no I have light arrows big so good. Yeah or the Gerudo Desert man. Oh my gosh and all the Lady assassins. Yeah Ganondorf is the one male born every hundred years. That's crazy man. The Zelda movie some dune shit movie has the opportunity to bang and I'm scared that it's not going to. But if they walk in and you play this game right now like I just did and you you see it though you get lost in the narrative. It's hard for me as like a first time fan like this movie isn't going to be the coolest thing ever bro like this shit is going to be a blast. Bless I need you to understand that now you know what it's like to have watched Fellowship of the Ring. Yeah which is an amazing in review. Everybody go watch it because we're all pushing to get blessed and Joey to watch Two Tires and Return to the King next. But to watch Fellowship of the Ring and go can you imagine if they made a Zelda movie like this. Oh yeah with the props with the awesome like makeup for the orcs and all my god it would be the coolest shit ever. Now Mike what do you know about the Zelda timeline. I have my timeline as of right now as a new player into the Zelda world. I know one timeline which is my timeline that I have started and I don't know where it falls in the real world but I've told Barrett this of like my timeline as of right now is as follows. It is the Ocarina of time timeline. Link Ocarina has gone out and saved Hyrule. He's become the hero of time right at the end of the story he Zelda and Link banish Ganondorf to the Sacred Realm where he is now banished. Zelda says hey I feel bad I took your childhood away from you. I'm going to cast you back seven years ago and you will be a child again which then happens. We rewind time and we actually rewind time where Ganon is in the castle right there. Princess Zelda is here. Link is a young man young boy and I'm going off on the next adventure. That's my timeline as of right now. I love that. I'm not going to get deeper into it because the Zelda I think at the end of the day the Zelda timeline is kind of fucked because Nintendo doesn't take it that seriously but I think it's a fun idea of like when you look into Ocarina and the story of Ocarina and the timey-wimey stuff that happens you then look at the following games and the preceding games and people place like where those games happen according to a couple of things where you talk about what you did right which like you look at that and it's all right and Majora's Mask might come right after that because that's the way you interpreted that but if you go back and look at the events like there's a split that can happen I think it's when you jump forward in time Barrett is it like when you jump forward that seven years no it's the split happens when or I assume what you're leading to is like when Zelda takes puts Link back in time at the end of the game that's where the split technically happens that's where the split happens okay where Link gets sent back and goes off where Mike is at and goes on his Majora's Mask journey but the timeline where adult Zelda is where they don't have a link anymore that splinters off into going into Wind Waker and the thing the fun thing that like about that stuff back in the back in the day is that like they did actually like like flesh that out a bit in their intros right like the beginning of Wind Waker is talking about like oh yeah like you know we no longer had the hero of time so then everything got fucked up again so yeah that's why it's fun but it's like yeah so there's a timeline where Princess Zelda puts Link back in time and they've captured Ganon and that timeline just keeps going yeah yeah that's the Wind Waker timeline Blus did you say timey-wimey because Roger said it like five times on our Returnal or the Soros podcast no I'd never heard anybody say timey-wimey but during the Soros preview Roger kept saying like things are kind of weird out there it's timey-wimey stuff I never heard that like is he a big doctor is that where it's from yeah that's where I go oh okay I get timey-wimey because I listen like I listen to a lot of Marvel podcasts and whenever they talk about MCU the current phase doing a bunch of timey-wimey bullshit that's how they described yeah I'd never heard that ever okay fascinating I thought it was just like a Roger thing I didn't know it was from Doctor Who I'm fun fact I'm watching Doctor Who in a couple weeks really yeah some of my friends are super they're big Who fans okay and they have roped me into Whyvians if you fall in love I got some magic cards for you oh yeah if you fall in love with it you know I'm trying to resist have you heard of Super Who lock no I was dated a girl who was Super Who lock very like in a lock in it no she does lock it really really into supernatural yes Doctor Who and Sherlock Sherlock oh and there's like a tumblr community and damn I will not like all three CW universe so I wasn't part of that yeah see I watched Riverdale Arrow Flash those are my things that's where the chest don't do it bless that's right above us that's right above you ever want to know the time if you ever want to know the time of girls yeah that I'm talking to for some reason they're all into Super Who lock well it's like it's either that or it's the Dick Wolf productions you're either into the art and order MCU yeah Chicago fire Chicago man in Chicago PD you know that's somebody save me now goes give me a handy to finish it up before we go into the next segment and we go to ad break so many awesome characters some fun like side moments the world being so large feeling so large but also so small but like being able to go into the different sections was really cool loved the little ranch I love the ranch story right with Malone the girl her father who was just being lazy and the guy who wanted to steal the ranch from him and then does that and then wants to work for Gannon because he doesn't want to get killed and then you steal the horse that was great you know I wish I had my keyboard here because I would have asked you who your AVP P was your preferred partner who is your favorite side character the one that you looked at I said that's my dog that's my dog the Goron the Goron King okay that's my dog that's my dude right all right I love everything for him also the big the big fucking frog from the the water temple he's the king of the water temple area okay I don't remember your favorite tune your favorite song in the game now I'll tell you I don't know maybe I wasn't hearing it also you're not telling me that kids were getting through the lost woods impossible you're telling me that you walk into a jigsaw puzzle where you walk forward presented with three doors that have nothing going on and you walk to another door it's like here's another three options good like and you got to find the perfect pattern the first time they play the song and you're like oh I got this and then like the second time it was like you should hear the song like there's no song being played it's just a guessing game and that's bullshit like there's no better song than than the gruto valley song though oh I disagree that one's really what's your favorite song right one of the best soundtracks of all time by the way one of the best soundtracks this soundtrack is amazing now but George's mask I feel like plays the link theme or like the zelda theme that I know from smash a lot more than I felt like ocarina of time did and maybe I'm wrong on that but like it feels more at the forefront of like it's playing all the time which I like a lot you know because that song rocks if you're just a casual fan like me but all this all the music hey who's on the track coach condo whoa this guy's got g a is got game dude yeah this guy condo got game back up the truck give him whatever he wants that guy's whatever he wants so much game but yeah like this side quest right kyle over at the fishing area kyle fishing at the lake like that's so much fun the bombachu bowling bombachu bowling that could be its own mini game band or like it's on like just making the game number back in the day and then 64 they had that astro bowling game no astro bowling yeah I think I don't remember that I think people will know that one it might have been astro bowling some sort of galaxy space bowling game everybody knew about it but bombachu bowling I love bombachu bowling hell yeah that shit is so much fun then the girl who's like go get the chickens and now I'm flying the chickens that was great I'm riding on the chickens love that kids stuck as a golden tarantula sorry big dog didn't break that curse that's my bad but he did get my bag up you know what I mean my money bag was up because of him so that's good I'll tell you a way for us to get our bag up and we will keep on you know experiencing and re you know re-experiencing a lot of these ocarina moments as we get into the next segment 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old one i remember that being like maybe one of the first kind of fan albums that i that i listened to i'm that was like ocarina of rhyme was probably like 2010 or something like that maybe so many chats that you should play jeff or shibani and i co-signed that i think you should play near automata okay i'll just continue to add it to the list i'm gaming you play jeff or shibani it's crazy because like someone was like oh i wonder how much mike played he probably played like five hours and i know it was a joke but it's crazy to look back and be like i have 12 videos that are all like averaging about three hours of pop like i didn't know these games are that big oh they're when you look at how long to beat these games it's like 25 to 32 hours is what they're averaging here i didn't know they were so big yeah my mind is blown i'd love to go back now and like rewind time with the n64 and like look at kiddo mike and be like i mean these games were so big like at the time they felt so small there wasn't much to them ready to rumble boxing god the legends was large but like doesn't feel this large no i'm blown away by this stuff um william gordon says have mike tell you all about his one hour fight with dark link dude how he thought the answer was for dark league to kill him we didn't even talk about dark link bro yeah you get dropped crazy moment into some fucking dark souls bullshit a lot of dark souls vibes in this which is like very cool of like oh man i can see the future of like what people took inspiration from it was like i could do something like that but you drop in to an empty arena you run forward and then when you run back you're greeted by shadow link and it's like you have to conquer yourself i'm like what does that mean and there i am swiping he's swiping back he's jumping on top of my sword i don't know what's going on mike have you played shadow classes or eco no but i i i thought i think of you every time i think of shadow the classes i'm like i should probably i feel you'd appreciate it when you talk about oh i can see the inspirations that people are taking i feel like eco and shadow or two that i was just i was just looking up right now allegedly emulators for shad ps4 and the shadow classes remake even though i know not everybody loves the blue point remakes looks like they didn't you know there's some detractors when it comes to demon souls and the shadow the classes remakes but i that's one that i never got to that i feel like i have shadow classes so there i am losses can be i'm swiping they're swiping he's hitting me every time then i got into the frustration mode where it's like i'll just swing as many times as possible and you start hitting them every now and then you're like oh i'm clearly doing the right thing i wasn't doing any of the right stuff then i said how do you conquer yourself you give yourself to your other self you know what i mean i'm a sliver so i give in i let it kill me no that wasn't the answer i still to this day don't know what the answer was i think the best i don't remember what i did his body this fight is like really cool idea wise this is something i would love to see improved like very much improved in the uh in the remake but like i think the best answer is like the huge hammer stunts him and then the hammer tool the hammer was cool barrett yeah we didn't talk about that and then you kind of have like a moment to strike at him it's not a fun flight oh and then the grapple hook would stun people i liked the grapple shot with that yeah i'm i'm throwing deku nuts at him trying to blind him you know what i mean i have no idea human nut here in there i'm gone zordon with a five-dollar super chat says here's my birthday tax mike loved your streams please play win waker after majora majora win waker's got a very cool art style different art style to it right it always stands out yeah win waker has yeah it's got i mean compared to what we're looking at very cartoony different definitely this swerve when it came to like those 3d zeldas where the audience is like whoa what's going on here it was definitely one of those big disappointments as a kid because they had teased at e3 the what zelda could be like on this new tech and ball and it was like a much it was kind of what you would expect from acarina just pushed further and you're like whoa this is like this looks so and then and then it was win waker and then a lot of the community like and it's weird to even think about community because i wasn't really entrenched in that way but i just somehow knew that people were not happy that suddenly it's super cartoony and they went the opposite direction and everybody was like what the fuck middle your solid two why'd you show us the other thing starting riding instead of snake no it's like one of those situations like that yeah but we were all wrong at the time because that our style kicks ass and you want to talk about horrifying redead i think win waker has the most horrifying redead yeah yeah and so miguel barrett and says nothing killed me harder than mike forgetting he had the master sword three episodes of his playthrough later i thought it there's like a vibe to like say master sword mike i'm with him and like everybody hypes it up and it's like you forget that you have it and then you then you're telling me i gotta go get the giant sword from the goron family the gora and then i get this giant sword and it's like well i don't even remember that i got the master sword anymore because the giant swords way cooler looking yeah you're completely right mike and i will say i think acarina has the biggest wet fart is not the maybe a little too strong here but like a lot of the others delta games least hype yeah it's the least hype like and when you get the master sword you are building up to it and you know you're building up to the up to it in those other games the way they talk about it in link to the past and how you get that is fucking awesome the way you like kind of build it in both skyward sword and win waker is also really exciting as well like yeah i'm i'm with you yeah the master sword wasn't the master sword for me until i played breath of the wild because i jumped from acarina to twilight to breath and like that was the first moment where i was like oh shit this is the master sword like you're making a big deal out of who's got the best master sword that's what i want to know i got a zelda or just yeah like the biggest like hey this is the coolest lead up this is the greatest reveal this is the coolest pole and then from that point forward you feel like you have it because i will tell you if you play acarina of time which what i remember here is you get the three medallions and three jewels to open up the sacred realm he walks up to the pedestal pulls the sword not much fanfare because then you time travel so it doesn't feel like oh this is the greatest sword on the on the planet the most powerful feeling one i would say is linked to the past i might get shit for this and i know people have have their feelings about skyward sword but like mike to spoil an aspect of skyward sword for you a lot of that game is about making the master sword for the very first time and that should really fucking cool oh yeah when making your lightsaber let's get real well i get the master sword and major's mask i don't know i have no idea what's happening in this game you have no idea what's going on i i'm putting on any wait you are you like are you liking major's mask more than acarina because there's a light in your eyes when you're talking about major a major's mask is very fun yeah there's a i think it might be the pressure of like you get three days and it might be the countdown timer like kind of that mood is like you got to move you know what i mean i do like that a lot i really do like the temple so far that i've seen i've completed two temples three full three day runs i love the side stuff going on i was gonna highlight a lot of great side stuff in acarina of time the running guy who's like you'll never beat me it's like i'm never going to beat that guy because he's just moving so fast i don't know how to beat him but like now i'm going to become a mailman i'm going to solve why this kid isn't at his wedding major's mask got some cool oh yeah um well we have a rumored remake on the way for acarina of time do we think we get a jump button or it depends on what what is the remake you know like are we talking about something that is almost like a blue point style we're making the same game but we're just making it look a lot prettier or are we reimagining i would personally not love that i think that they have an opportunity here to not push it all the way into what we expect with modern the modern mechanics and the weird kind of crazy mechanics of breath of the wild tears of the kingdom i would love for them to find ways to enhance some of these dungeons that they look back at and go how could we make this better how could we make this moment less frustrating what could we do to kind of maybe surprise and delight the gamers who go oh this is just going to be a one for one remake oh shit actually never mind they're kind of extending this in a way that and they're capitalizing on this moment that could have been more hyped they are making this master sword moment even more exciting and more epic i hope that they push it further it's not just a visual remake i don't think it'll be just a visual remake has nintendo ever done i guess i'm just playing leaf green so this might actually answer my own question of have they done something that's more than just a visual remake have they done something that is reimagined outside of pokemon well a super mario 64 you could play as all the other characters i don't know but oh it's a 3d version um people saying metroid for what zero mission yeah links awakening is also just kind of like a visual visual huge visual because i think i see nintendo as a company that cares a lot about um like retaining that history what's the word i'm looking for preservation that's the word i'm looking for so i i think they've preserved this game plenty though i agree but i wonder if they have the desire to i wonder if they have like a fear almost of we know how classic the original is and as nintendo we respect our own legacy so much that we don't want to like alter it and anyway i'm i'm team i don't even know if that's a case i don't even think that they would bother remaking it really i don't think that they would want you know obviously it's money it's gonna print money and i think that movie i think the movie is the reason why you do it but there's a part of me that that i think for the moviegoers who are maybe going to end up playing this for the first time may feel the archaic nature of it and say this is the game you're talking about you know i think there's there might be a worry there barrett do you think that you see any sort of pushing of mechanics and do we get a jump button because i personally i can't imagine a modern zelda game coming out now and not having a jump button in this 3d sort of fashion i i don't know in the in the way that you're talking about if we'll get a full jump button like that like i think of the the jumps like swipe from both ocarina and like wind waker and stuff like that um you know i think there's other ways to restructure and kind of think about um puzzle and dungeon design that doesn't need to completely uh change kind of like the original vision of ocarina while still trying to improve on it right uh i would say that like i think ocarina has some of the weakest dungeon design in the series and so i would love for them to look back at even like kind of the design ethos of dungeons from link to the past and then what they did in future titles especially in twilight princess and try to like figure out some more interesting puzzles uh to like kind of lay out throughout these dungeons um and i don't i don't think you need to do any of that by and then introduce a button to jump that doesn't feel all too like necessary or important for this kind of game you know yeah that's just me i for me i zelda breath a lot into the kingdom are who my favorite game is of all time right i love that direction for zelda i also miss the i feel like zelda has now branched out into like three different mainline paths where you have like essentially 2d zelda with games like links awakening link between worlds all that jazz you have echoes of wisdom echoes echoes of wisdom you have the breath of wild and tears the kingdom and then you have a branch that's like it's been a while since we visited which is ocarina majora twilight traditional structure traditional 3d structure i think an ocarina remake is the opportunity to get back to that traditional 3d structure because i think a lot of people people miss that i think with that though i don't know if you need the jump button i think you i because twilight princess i don't even think had a jump button if i'm remembering correctly this skyward sword i would jump button bear it i don't think it did i don't think it did either yeah like only for like gaps that you would jump to right but like not like a traditional jump you would have a full rotating camera right mike do you think that a remake a rotating camera 100 percent for sure on that one yeah i mean for me it's like you guys would know best of like what you'd want out of this because it's still so hot and fresh to me i'm like i guess my mind goes like i would make it look like zelda breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom right the most recent titles the most popular of like recent community members i think would go oh i want more of that well i would just put ocarina of time and make it look like that and play like that in my mind as much as i love the art style of breath and tears i would love for them to go a little bit different here yeah i i would be really disappointed if they did just tears of the kingdom breath of the wild for this like i i would love to not see the the the cel shaded the cel shaded tune shaded sort of vibe i think that they have an opportunity to do something really cool and even more different and maybe just hey what if we now this is all to say like put a chiron a third lower third of i do not want an ultra realistic looking game i've never wanted that from nintendo's art style i don't think that's where they i think that's like going for something that you don't even necessarily need to do but i would love something more akin to what we saw with that e3 presentation that that was like a tech demo if you can bring up the we you zelda tech demo because this is what i wanted to look like we i mean i want like more of a darker more again not realistic but more maybe not so you pushing but yeah not cel shaded like i think that we you demo is actually that's how i going back to when we talk about the gamecube demo right of like damn people saw this and then they got winmaker they showed us the we you thing and i look at this and i'm like i want to play this and then they never gave us this game yeah this looks fucking this is how i want the game to look like is that not what the twilight princess kind of looks like though yeah a little bit yeah but this is like if twilight princess was made for hd okay okay which i guess exists also but it's called twilight princess but it feels like made for the ground up with like hd graphics in mind yeah because i i'm of the mind that like i will never get tired of the nintendo aesthetic it may kind of wear on people but i love their colorful use of you know just like color science and how pretty and and bright and and nice everything can look but i would love to just see that with a bit more of a modern layer on top of it without pushing it to i don't want the game to look like lords of the fallen or dark souls or something i just i wanted to be pushed a little bit further and look visually different than tears and breath of the water my biggest desires would be i want high real fields to feel more alive i want more foliage more i don't want to walk out into high real field and have it just be an empty what's up with those flying pineapples i never got answers for those that's just the wild is that an alien ship well it's like weird because like when you're a kid they're not there as a kid they just they terrified me by the way oh when you're a kid they're there when you're an adult they're not one of the ways it's like there's one time where they're there and then there's another time they're not there and i never fought one but it was fine oh yeah you just fucking run away yeah it was cool shit terrifying i'd love to i'd love to have more kind of organic discoveries out in the high real field yeah sure yeah you know like i think there is a neat opportunity there to have like new side quests that aren't massive but you know hey come help me with this and that like i would love to just have it be just more than what it was was just a big ass hub world yeah it was just a big ass hub world yeah and that's where it's like i i do think you know going back to that game you know in the middle replaying that series there's a lot that you go back to and you're like oh man like they were doing really cool stuff in link to the past that like they didn't follow up on here in ocarina and yeah i would love more like organic like actually making you kind of explore that open world uh which is what a lot of link to the past was rather than just going from point a to point b to point c yeah that's interesting yeah because me it's like i'm here for the dungeons in the story i don't really care about high rule um the middle ground over there because they didn't design it to exactly the red was there yeah like yeah there was it felt like just a transition from portal a to portal b i'm running over there i'm going to go there like there was there was three bushes and like a couple of rocks you could go underneath other than that there wasn't anything going on so it's never that's not something i'm like oh i want that i want to be over with the rest of the group and that's my thing right if i'm sticking to being more faithful to it i'm kind of like yeah still keep it a hub but like make it just more feel more alive like really upgrade the visuals playing lives all that all that shit right maybe like if you were a little something and this is like a not even like a gameplay thing but something to take from tears in the kingdom and breath of the wild where like you actually see people like going from town to town or something yeah like stuff like that but if we're going for the reimagining i would say okay then let hey if we're reimagining let's reimagine and like go for it in like the breath of the wild sense right like make it explore will make it a main uh a part of the main course as opposed to like the portal between between areas but i feel like that if that's what it was i think it would would have been announced earlier you know what i mean i think it would be really neat if they add a new dungeon as well oh just what's your theme what theme well i was telling barrett and mike when you become big link daddy link man link you you talk to uh raru and he gives you the light medallion and i think it'd be cool if like hey you'll get this thing but you you got to earn this shit and have it just be like i think it'd be so cool similar to how in the halo combat eval no what's it called combat what are they called campaign eval that they're adding new missions to that i think this is there's a cool opportunity to add like a brand new dungeon of us we are nintendo we've kicked acid making these things in the past how do we make a modern style dungeon that is still kind of like gonna be traditional in a sense i think there's a really cool opportunity is there an underutilized weapon or item that you'd want to see more for that dungeon what's kind of the gimmick right because i think of the reflector shield that had some good time the lens of truth had some good time the boots and the the water outfit had some good time right honestly something you said mike earlier that i hadn't really thought about before as well as that ocarina is like one of the rare games where because of the time jump stuff yeah there are some items that you don't get to use as adult link which is like yeah when you get a boomerang in almost any other game you just have the boomerang for the rest of the game yeah so like maybe adjusting little things like that as well where it's like hey your adult link but you still have the boomerang because that's a really fun thing and like design more puzzles and uh you know enemy stuff like around that that's a great call bear i could see you doing more kid link tools for that temple and maybe using the boomerang almost like the riddler trophies you could make a temple around the boomerang because yeah the boomerang very short lived you get that and i think you become adult link like very shortly after you don't use that in any one any fun way shape or form jason the chat says adult hate boomerangs that we do got a kind of consider that well it's like you know what happens is the childhood fantasy of the boomerang is that when you're a child you truly think that's coming back to me and then when you become an adult you know that you don't have game with the boomerang only about 20 people on planet earth actually know how to throw on and they're on tick tock and so when you throw it and it goes a thousand yards the other way to never comes back and falls down you go guess what fuck that boomerang i'm using it again i'm never using this shit jim tacy in the twitch and the twitch chat says more light arrow action i feel like the light arrow has to be for that fun those final moments but there's got to be other items out there oh for sure what like are we how much are we melting shoot me a fire arrow you're melting like i guess i'm melting a lot right now in a mature's mask mountain we freeze this shit with ice arrows oh what about the town teleporter maybe more of that you know some of the moves that you get it's like that town teleporter i never used the green spell that you get early on that will like teleport you uh that you put down like a yeah it's like a very vaguely remember you put down a town teleporter you can run away and then teleport back to it i'm never using that what wg says ice arrows completely optional ocarina sounds like the boomerang maybe it maybe it's a dungeon that is boomerang a nice arrow it's all just centered around those um what maybe one of my biggest requests in like obviously they would do this but i want to see those cutscenes bang like i i want to i feel like if you're taking ocarina cutscenes and bringing them into 2026 standards i want them to feel epic i want them to feel cool i mean you'll get like yells and shit yeah but it would be cool to like get a cast some really great talent out there i think it will rub a lot of people the wrong way man dude there's some great scenes there we're like i mean mad mercer is you get that thing acted man it would be cool yeah it'd be cool yeah mellow fellow with a two dollar super jet to swap between kid and adult link with a button crazy i mean narratively yeah it'd be like a ghost of yote sort of so i had to be like a post game you beat the game you're back out in the world now we'll let you do this well no because there's a whole dungeon designed around going back and forth between kid and adult link you're like in real time wait what's on that uh mike which one it's the grudo one right where it's like you have to like go to the grudo thing as an adult and then you go back to the temple time to be a kid again and then you go back to the grudo temple to like navigate like the first third of that as a kid and then like it is a frustrating like thing where you have to like go out do the transport thing to go back to the temple of time and then put the sword back in thing um i'm just recreating the whole erin hansen bit where he's explaining all of this and then he pops up links of the past you hit button you fucking bring up the mirror and then boom you're in the dark world like what are we doing here so yeah and but with that being like the biggest one it's one of those like i would love to see them play around a bit more with just more than just one dungeon especially because you two didn't even remember like that was an aspect like i would love for them to play around more with rather than just the grudo temple and then i think the well in um fucking kakariko village or whatever um play around more with the the time stuff i think would be fun what well the well in kakariko so instead i got stuck in the well i'm trying to remember what happens in the well you're the bulletin triangle zero sp with the super chat says the fact of how empty hyrule field is by today's standards is that nintendo will modernize this game to some extent is that nintendo what to what extent i don't know though says zero xp again yeah i think it comes down to is it a remake like or is is it are you saying faithful to the original thing or are you taking liberties and adding in new mechanics adding into features making it feel like a kind of a new version of the same thing because if you're being faithful i don't think you touch it that much i think you make it look a lot prettier maybe you do the thing where you might have more pedestrian traffic or something going on in hyrule field but i think they're going big with this i mean i think that'd be fucking awesome i just don't if it's coming out this year like the rumors say it is i think we would have heard about it already they're going just an hd texture pack no i don't think you don't think so kabobson chat said yeah they imagine that this is going to be like louis g's mansion two or that was just a 3ds game that just got like screwed up a little bit and then ported to switch uh and so i imagine they think it's just like the 3ds version what makes you think they're going big with it i i look at their lineup and they also look at their lineup and say we need to fill some big holes and i think just putting out a prettier version of an old game like and i also don't think that they would bother remaking this unless they were trying to reinvent it in some way and especially like yeah when you think about with where it is emulators with 40th anniversary like your your big bang is really just going to be yeah like a slightly better version of the of the game that's already on guys are talking about nintendo we know how bad nintendo is with the anniversaries yes i do think that i i in fact i think that's extra piece of it pizza bed let's get a pizza bed out you believe a bless like well like i don't totally disbelieve i i they're gonna mess with perfection they already have it down just make it modernly look better this guy's gonna be on this guy you make the pizza bed you know why are we messing with perfection you already got it just bring it up to the modern day with some better looks maybe some slight touches and that's it don't don't change don't change the formula that's you i i think is i would want them i want them to do what ady's talking about i just don't think they're going to because i again for what we're talking about the 40th anniversary and like all this shit right you would have had to have this plan like five years ago you would have had to have started this a very long time ago started like you think this like just started production like a year ago or something like i'm just wondering like i don't think this i don't i feel like we've been hearing about this rumored remake for a long time no but it was only rumored like a month ago like we've been no but that was the leak that was the that was the that was the hate i think saying that this is happening until then it's been us being like man it'd be nice if they made a remake i don't think it ever leaked i think that was always us being hopeful i don't think anything ever anything ever leaked until a month ago i think everything until then was always a the rumor mill birg turpin out there birg tweet and i don't even think it was rumors unless somebody unless somebody can find me the link or find me something of like this is where this came from i think it was always us being like man it'd make a lot of sense if you remade the game if you remade ocarina chooses the kingdom was quote complete in 2022 so we could say they have they've had four years and i don't even think that i don't even necessarily know this is like the core tier's team like i and that's my thing is i well it got so many squads over there and that's where i'm coming from where i think if this isn't the core zelda team how much bit how bigger are we thinking that this is going to be right like i would then take that and go well i feel like you would just do a re like who's making it it's my pet be all right let's speak to bet let's speak to bet let's speak to bet it's gonna be my bet is with the handshake it will be more than just an art artfully beautiful you know beautified version of ocarina time there will be more gameplay wise there there will be find more because i also think there is going to be like when you say a new dungeon i think that's possible i mean then that's not saying faithful then like if you're adding a new dungeon i think of it okay i think of it as pokemon leaf green that i just played where you're going to bring it forward in terms of looks and visuals and stuff but like leaf green it's the same game but they have some they have some new things in there but it's the same game same pathing same solutions to things a couple of remixed aspects here but that's not saying traditional then because when you the way you're talking about it makes me think that it's almost like a reimagining of ocarina time no i don't i don't think that i think they are like they will remix some mechanics from old dungeons there will be new shit there will be a hyrule field will have a lot of different things about it like it will not when you play it you won't go oh they didn't stick to the traditional version they didn't just make everything prettier they changed the way the inventory works they changed the way this works they they did a lot of stuff it's not quite final fantasy seven remake but it's not just links awakening type of thing right somebody says bless you can play ocarina on nintendo switch online this is a remake i get well i'm thinking of this almost like we're doing we're doing zelda ocarina on 3ds again that's the way i'm looking at this zelda ocarina on 3ds is a straight up remake i think they've done that i don't know i i think they're doubling down on that i think they're making i think they're going all right let's do that but now it's on the switch too and it looks even prettier okay that's the pizza bet all right bet that's the pizza bet i just think like especially with nate the hate like if it was if it was that i don't know if the verbiage would be remake i don't know if the wording going right i didn't don't they call that a remake yeah but i i think if like if that was stuff that was going around of like they're sprucing up the remake of the 3d like the 3ds remake i think that would be the thing that's swirling around oh i'm not even saying they're sprucing up the 3ds remake i'm saying that is going to be like the 3ds remake in terms of what they do to it it's prettier texture but it's the switch to very new models that would be andrew rochester with a five dollar superjet says uh you said do they bring in a new dungeon they should add the light dungeon that was cut from the original i didn't even know that i don't know though it was a missing thing from the original that they cut cut content i think that'd be really cool a really cool opportunity yeah a lot of cool opportunities here um mike any final words about ocarina of time i am truly blown away by this game i cannot believe it came out in 1998 and playing in 2026 was an absolute blast it stands the test of time this being the highest rated and metacritic game on the website is like truly yeah this game rocks i had an absolute blast i'm all in for the ride and it was so good that i'm playing now majora's mask hot off the heels of this i am in on zelda right now i'm excited to see where my journey goes if i stop at majora's mask and go that's enough or if i continue to venture down in the well and try new things but as of right now nintendo is getting me interested of like i'm in the zelda now kabab is with one final scene which i'd ask what control did mike use that's a great question uh two joys joy cons oh joy cons well that's awesome plug them right into the pc huh do you want to score it or do you not want to score it score it yeah i'm not gonna make you score it i'm like i'm not like greg miller i mean if we were gonna do it for greg miller it's a nine it's a nine i mean it's an exceptional video game i'll say your heart you say it's a nine you can say it's a nine you can say it's a nine nine five say it's a nine you don't have to be you don't have to be i'll do it for the nine five it's nine five nine five i like exceptional that's crazy the 10 out of 10 mike get the fuck out of here what do you mean the 9.5 it's exceptional zelda carina i'm excited to see what they do with chapel ron i was confused the whole time because i thought it was one chapel ron the forest fairy but it was multiple multiples i would like to see a little bit difference here uh i'm noticing that in majora's mask she has different hair colors for each area but maybe they were doing that knock right now i just didn't notice but like every time it felt like oh she's just teleporting wherever i need her to be and if it is oh they're different sisters and she's at she's different people let's make that a little more clear for the fairy found music my favorite music in zelda period oh yeah love that song everybody this has been the kind of fun games cast each and every weekday we get together to talk about the biggest reviews previews and topics in video games live on youtube twitch and a podcast services around the globe if you love what we do please support us with the kind of funny membership on patreon youtube apple or spotify to get all of our shows ad-free and get a daily exclusive show right after this we've got party mode party mode party mode we're playing lego party we're me joey and roger force and joey to play with us i'm gonna take it very competitive oh god until next time take care of yourself take care of each other we'll see you later gamers