What are the WORST Car Mod Trends? Scotto, Zack and Zac Debate!

And we're back with another episode of firing order brought to you by Viper Industrial. And as always, I'm your host Brian Scotto. The topic today, the worst. That's right, the worst car mod trends of the last decade. And to debate this ever so important topic, we have the Zaks. We got Zach Mertens, aka Mr. Zachary and Zach Klatman, probably best known from the smoking tire. We're gonna hurt some feelings today. Hopefully they're not yours. Enjoy. Legal disclaimer, it might actually be illegal to wear heat waves polarized ultra black lenses while driving. But if you spend a lot of time in violently bright conditions like snow or in the desert, then these lenses are gonna be perfect for you. Traditionally, sunglasses have an 11% VLT rating, but these are cranked all the way down to 6% as limo tint for your eyes. They also provide a great level of ocular privacy. When you're looking at something you shouldn't be. 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How often do you guys in a situation where you're the other person across from you has the same name just off by a letter? Last weekend, not often, but yeah. Every time it burned out worse. My closest partner is Zach. Yeah, yeah. It's a popular name in our generation. Yeah, yeah. That same for me. I was, Brian was the number two name of 1979. So I grew up with a lot of them, which is why I go by Scott. Anyway, no one cares about that. What people care about is today's topic, which is for the first time ever, we're not going after the best in class, we're going after the worst in class. This is the top five worst or just the worst five mod trends of the last decade. Hell yeah, punching down. That's actually a good point. Like if it's too much of a punch down, we're gonna have to call each other on it. So this can't just be, I don't have enough money to do cool things to my cars because like I don't want to, like that's like, whatever. This has to be, these are bad decisions made with money. I can confirm that my list here is somebody spent good money doing this. Have you seen, by the way, when we talk about lists, you have one piece of paper over there that I gave you about 15 minutes ago to write your ideas on. This man came with just a stack of paper. Yeah, he, is this how, is this is what is expected from you at the smoking tire? No, no, no, no. We're much more fly by the seat of the pants there. This is like, I actually thought we were doing like a versus just because of my head. It was a versus and I was like, should I show up in a suit and like bring a briefcase as if we're actually debating just to be, just for a goof, but that was too far. I just wanted to like collect my thoughts and write them out and be able to present myself eloquently. Yeah, he's showed up like a full wiki thing. It's just got to go through it all. He's like, hold on, but at, at a denment. Dodge versus education too, says. No, no. Just so I could be a little more coherent than I normally am. Yeah, yeah. By the way, I'm happy to have you finally come down to, as far as you've come away from where you guys are up and where are you? Plivista. Plivista. Santa Monica, Jason. All right, let's be honest. It's between, I'm the halfway point between you and Santa Monica. Yeah, I guess so. Is that really? It's West Side. It's West Side. I know where it's at. I mean, you and I both lived on the West Side. We now slumming it down here in Long Beach. So thanks for coming down. Thank you for having me. Great. Yeah, good to see you too. Your credit score has lowered by at least 100 points now. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. It's funny because a lot of people were like, oh, you should have Zach and Matt on. And I'm like, that's their show. That is the show. Like why do that here? Although it would be funny to have you guys on something like firing order because it would put you in a different place. It'd be funny to have you conduct it because then you can kind of modulate that a little bit. But I don't know what we need to argue about because we tend to agree a lot on so much. So I actually have a show that I want Farah to come on and this will be his invite because maybe he'll listen to this, probably not. But I want to do a firing order with him and Vinny. That is the don't meet your heroes cars. Top five cars that are not as herald. You should definitely. That's a great concept. I think all three of us have sort of these feelings on certain cars we've driven that you're like, these suck. Anyway, that's not the topic for today. So we set the ground rules, which isn't much because honestly, this is a completely subjective day. There's no horsepower numbers. There's no, there's no lap times. There is no anything that matters other than what the three of us think about this. No, that's right. We are just venting pure hatred today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hate episode. It's going to be fun. Well, it's like we're dads on the porch complaining, but we're also trying to pass the knowledge to the youth. So there's a little bit of constructive education, I think. Yeah. You know, when did you realize that you are now part of the elder community in the car culture? When people would rip past me in loud cars and Zach's going to laugh at me right now. And I'd be like, ugh. Part of it. Part of it is my increasing tonight as I get older. But then, and I also realized I was like, oh, I don't want to be that person. I used to be that person. What happened? Zach pulled up and my son came through the door and I was like, he's like, Zach's here. Which one? What? No, my son opens the door and he goes, Zach's here. And then he looks at me and he goes, like you couldn't tell because literally we could hear his car from like four blocks away. It's awesome. It's fantastic. By the way, you posted the other day that you were 40 now. Yeah. And the comments were all like, bro, I thought you were in your 20s. Yeah. I was like, it's not how you look. It's how you act. It's the irresponsibility for sure. It's because I'm a child. Yeah, it is. I'm just actually talking to my dad about that. It's like, you know, I've lived a very Peter Pan life. It's funny, it's like I'm going to my little sister's wedding and she's like 13 years younger than me. My little brother's already married, working on second child about to cub. Yeah. Yeah, then I'm, you know, I would just slow you down too much. You know, like I'm going to build a blown V8 car that's completely useless. With the car seat in the back. Next to your other V8 blown car. Yes. Okay. So everyone who doesn't know, this is how the show works. First, Zach will present his list and then others that will present his list and then I will present my list. And then we will take one from each of those lists and we will move it on. And then we're going to do things a little bit different this time because we used to pick five. We're going to try going with just three and actually grabbing more from the blind sides. Because I think we realized that some of the Patreon lists was better than our own list. So we want to be able to try to include them in a little bit more. I support that. Yeah. Yeah. So you want to give me a little Patreon ad while you're here because you do it so well. Ladies and gentlemen, look, if you are not subscribed yet, you need to go over to Patreon. Okay. Patreon.com slash Brian Scott. I'm guessing that's what it is. It'll probably pop up on the link here, but that's where you get the juicy stuff and you can actually engage, interact. Hell, you can have a 57 hour long conversation with Brian if you want. He's got plenty of time. Anyway, go do that because he can't have a normal job. We all know this. Support the man. Okay. So he can keep doing this. Are you ready to get into this? Yeah. Support your rescue of broken European cars. I got American cars in the package too. And I actually have a couple Japanese cars. I do not discriminate. Yeah. I even have a few Italian cars. As long as they don't work, you can love them. Yeah. I lost the key for that one, so it's actually broken. No, really? The blade of the key fell out of the key. Yeah. Anyway, if anyone works at a Ferrari dealership and wants to help me with that, please DM me. They love doing that for free. Yeah, I know. For just 99 cents a month, you can save a Ferrari. For the arms of the AML. Donate right now, patreon.com. Slash Brian Scott. Brian drives his cars. All right, guys. None of them work, but one day. I think this is the show. So anyway, stop three terrible mods. Selling anything to Brian Scott. No. Putting in the Audi engine into anything. All right. Okay. Top mods. My top three mods, terrible mods for the last decade are caliper covers. That's a good one. The gunshot tune. Burble tune. Burble tune, I think gunshot tune, I think he's doing more. We're going to cross the difference. Okay. Fine. I'm going all the way to gunshot, but Burble was the gateway drug for sure. And then the third one is fake tow straps. Fake tow straps. So tow straps. That was like a little hard on it, you know, like the slightly SMM. I know what you're talking about. I just wouldn't really like think about that. Do you feel like that's something you, is that like a big ACH thing? Do you see a lot of people? I feel like I see them in town. I saw one yesterday. Maybe it's just a recency thing, but when they're, and then when they search pictures, there's like TRD branded ones and OMP branded ones, but they're bolted to the grill. And we can get into the details more of like why that's so stupid, but it should be pretty obvious. But it's like, it's a weird style thing, but it's completely useless and also a little dangerous. Yeah. I actually had a, I had a tow hook on my Ferrari that wasn't like a fake one, but clearly the brand moved from like a casted tow hook to later on, like a proper forged one, because mine snapped while I was trying to tow my Ferrari with it across four lanes of traffic. Luckily I had a cop behind me. This is a great insert for that video of Nikkei gluing a tow hook. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. The 911 has a real tow hook on it that's connected to the body, but yeah. So that's, that's my list of three. If you want the other two, I can do you have a lot of notes here. So do you, I would explain your structure. This is not normally how the show goes, but I don't want, I don't want you to have done all that work and not do it. Do you want me to explain my reasoning for the gunshot? Okay. So my problem with the gunshot tune is, is multi-fold. One, it damages your engine. If you get too aggressive with the timing and the fuel thing. Two, it's straight up sounds like gunfire and this happens near my house a lot. I hear it and I have to kind of really listen in and say, is that actual gunfire happening or is the dumb gunshot too? Do you go on Nextdoor and post with everyone else? They spam too much. Was that gunshots, that's gunshots or those gunshots, or is that only a long beach thing? I have unsubscribed from that website 15 times. I keep trying to get away. I just think it, it's, it's based in trying to copy what race cars do and the reason race cars have a little leg burble overrun is because they're blasting the cylinders with fuel to cool them off while the driver lets off the gas, but they're only doing it a little bit, but people have realized that if you just retard the timing even more and add more and more fuel, the loud, the sound gets louder and louder and eventually you could damage your engine, you could blow your cats out, which I looked up for a BMW 335i, very popular with the gunshot is definitely when you say verbal tune, what do you think? I think a BMW exactly cats for that car start at 200 a piece, they go up to 1100 a piece. So you could cost yourself a ton of money is that like buying them from a guy who cut them out of your car? That's Magnaflow prices. Okay, so Magnaflow Magnaflow.com slash Brian Scott's podcast. Shout out to Richard Waders. For sure. He that guy is awesome. Yeah. So I just think it is, it is people trying to copy race cars, but then if all of you and your friends show up to the same in and out, all with the same verbal tune, no one thinks you're race car drivers. And if your friends arrive there first, they've already pulled all the ladies that love the sound of a verbal tune because we know that that's who's really attracted to this sound. Of course, it is the mail mating is the mail mating call. It's a great way to meet other dudes that love being 100%. So I think they're so stupid. Sounds like ass. And also too, if you're retarding the timing, right, you're trying to cause the ignition to happen in the exhaust essentially, right? Also you're washing down your cylinders, right? You're just smoking cylinder wall. You're also washing down your oil with fuel, which you're going to smoke some bearings. Actually, you know what? Just stay on that little verbal, they keep doing it and just water it. It'll work itself out. It's kind of like a social Darwinism thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Automotive Darwinism. We fix the glitch. Right. Yeah. It sounds like ass. It sounds terrible. It sounds terrible. But this comes from like one of the first manufacturers to do this was Mercedes, right? I think you may know better. F type R in 2015 was the one that broke out. And I feel like that's where it really began because that car was so... What year was that? 2015 was the SVR. But even like Mercedes had some sort of kind of verbal pop all the way back to the C63. Like that had that. Like the air injection deal? Yeah, I don't remember how exactly they did it, but like I thought that was cool. So there has to I think there's an issue here where it's not about the actual and maybe that's why you say gunshot versus just the regular verbal, but like there is like a level where it becomes uncool. Correct. It's a spectrum. Yes, it is. Because like my 911 has amazing D cell pop. I love the D cell pop on my 911. Yeah, but also your 911 is, you know, of course a lot of air and fuel. It's got a pretty built engine and it does, it doesn't do it because it's tuned to do it. It does it because that's just how the engine runs. Yeah. So I mean, it is tuned to do it, but not on purpose as a pop. Yeah. It's not a basically stock engine that's just like, well, dude, I want the, let me get that verbal. So is that the, is it like a co-morbid? Like the co-morbid of this has to be that it's on a stock engine? I don't think it has to be a stock engine because I think a lot of OEMs are doing it like the, we all saw the video of the Elantra N that guy got pulled over for running track mode because it was doing all these big pops. But I think that's an example of it's gone too far. So I think when the car is stock, if it does a little boom, that's fun. And we want to have fun with cars and we want to feel like we're driving something rad. But when it starts to like popcorn down the road, because people are turning all these knobs and like adjusting everything in the settings, I just think it becomes the sound gets offensive, it gets worse, and you know it's worse for the car. It was cool in the 80s with a Quattro S4 on anti-lag. Sure, but anti-lag is a whole other thing. But that's what people are trying to create. Exactly. It's sort of that anti-lag sound, but the anti-lag sound is a whole other thing, which is literally destroying your engine. But in the terms of racing, it's keeping the power out. Exactly. Keeping all that energy, that heat into the turbo so you can keep that bitch spooled. Yeah, that's a pretty good one. And then the the caliper cover thing, the caliper, okay, so I think here's the difference. And this is like the, this is like the libertarian approach is that gun pop, burble tunes bother me. Like it literally bothers me. Your caliper covers bother my eyes. It doesn't bother me in the same way. Like I cannot look at your caliper covers. I cannot deal with your caliper covers. But like I have no choice but to deal with your burble. That's a very good point. Yeah, they find it. And when I say libertarian, I mean like, you know, the whole idea of a true libertarian, not what libertarians are today, is like, just don't do anything that, like I won't do anything that bothers you. You don't do anything that affects my life. I don't do anything that affects your life. Like that's the basic idea of it. It's like, if you don't, if you don't watch your neighbors have sex, who cares who they're having sex with. So I don't have to look at the caliper covers. Exactly. But the gunshot tune, they're having sex so loud in my dining room. Knocking over my things. Guys, can we just, yeah, probably I'm talking about Zach. But anyway, that was. Oh, I gotta hear this. Oh, I gotta hear this. But keeping it. Oh my God. I can't wait to hear that after this. Shout out Christmas party 2017. Wow. I never thought that would go to the public, but it just has. Anyway, uh, so caliper covers, give us your argument on that. Mike, the crux of it is that people are putting on these covers, they're silicone or aluminum, and they're doing it to basically do an impression of a track or performance vehicle. But the brakes underneath aren't changed in any way. So you're saying like, let's say somebody's got like a single or dual piston caliper and they've got like a six piston cal. Oh man. So can we pull up? Have you not, have you not seen these before? I feel like I've seen it before, but like I was just trying to make sure that's what he was going to do. A lot of times it's just like 3M double sided tape holding it to the calendar. So we're not talking about like a color change here. We're talking about like, you got a fake ass. Yeah, you're just faking the funk on the fact that you got Rembo's or something. So the big story that came out is 2023, I think is Tesla got caught. Tesla said that all the performance Model 3's were going to have Rembo's and then they changed the supplier for the rear caliper to a company called Mando and the caliper was small. So they put on a red caliper cover that was way larger than what was needed for the actual caliper. And when people pulled it off, they went, wait, that's the same brake caliper that comes on the long range. So they're being told, hey, this is a performance braking system and it's the same one just dressed up. How's doing it, right? That's Davies. So a year after that, this company, Caliper Skins, by the way, this episode is brought to you by Caliper Skins. It became a trend though, like Tesla people started putting on these silicone caliper covers just to like separate the look of their car from the other millions of people that look just like them. But it's not just, I thought it was just them. There's a company called Rough Country that makes them for trucks, Zach Trucks is how I relate to you, for Jeeps and Broncos and all kinds of things. And it's the same shit. It's like an aluminum thing that just looks like you have a performance brake and makes you look a little different, makes you look a little faster, a little tougher. But what I don't get is that you're taking track, like, track chic and then trying to just present a fake version of it. And that really bothers me. But in some ways, hasn't, isn't that like what defines 90% of tuning? That is true. Is like trying to look. And again, I think this is where everything lives on a spectrum, because it's like you're just trying to make your car look like it's more performance oriented. Spoiler is body kits, all these things that have like no real arrow to them. That's true. I almost included the whole charger vertical arrow wing, but I left it off. I was sitting behind the charger the other day looking at that going, who like invented that? Because it's probably a. Autocross competitors. I think it's a nod to like old Macs car. Well, it's the Gurney flap. It's the Dan Gurney flap. But like, it, it, how it becomes like, how it's become like the trend across every ship box, like Mo Park car. It's kind of true. I don't know. It's like a pretty simple mod too. Like you could probably make it at home. Deeper. These are also the same people that leave the bumper covers on for the corners. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's like almost a trend. It is. That was a trend, man. I wish I had made multicolored, whatever those are called, like shipping covers and just sold them. I probably would have made a million bucks. Yeah. There was a, I mean, the group, a group chat based off of the last firing order, which was the track day cars and Chris Stewart sent a photo of a car with just like a red lip. It was like a Fiat with a red lip and he said, I mean, a Fiat fit with a red lip and he said, so unfortunately we have red lippers too. And it's like, all of us knew exactly what it meant. Like there's always like that guy who has a stock car that then is like, I'm going to paint my lip red because it's going to make it look cool. Like Aston's race team. Yeah. Yeah. Or like get like red seat belts. Oh, I like red. I mean, I do too. I like red. He said the whole thing is like a race car because like it's got red seat belts. Yeah. Well, that's like a Porsche thing that then Volkswagen did, which just seemed really cool. And I'm actually like looking into getting red belt through one of my cars. I think they look cool, but I think then the function of the seat belt is still the same as if it was gray, yellow, whatever. Yeah. But with this, you are lying about how big your brakes are because you've put on this like, you know, placard or whatever. Yeah. But I mean, as men, we lie about all of that kind of stuff. Very, very true. It's all about that. Yeah. It's an eight piston. Yeah. It's definitely an eight piston. It's definitely, yeah. Well, like a five and a half. How big is the piston? I mean, I'm measuring the metric system. I measure from the bottom of the rotor. Measure from the bed up. Okay. So, and then the tow strap one and and then they, is that, is that just like a personal or the tow strap one? Yeah. It's probably because it's, no, I mean, that's just, that one's the shortest. It's just like, this is dumb. You can't pull the car with it. Right. But it looks like you can pull the car with it. So it's just, it is totally non-functional. So everything from your list is you don't like cars that try to be race cars. No, that's only two of them so far. The last one is either, I think, I think pickup truck bed smoke stacks that are huge. Wait, I thought you have three. You've got a turbo tune. You said, you said, Caliper covers, Caliper covers. Oh, big tow strap. That's right. You're already dipping into four or five. You're trying to dip in. Dang it. You can try to, you can try to slip that in later on the blind spots. So. I support the smoke stack one now. For sure. You could add it to your list if you want. We can get to it in the, we can get to blind spots. All right. We'll get to the blind spots. So we need to now pick which one of yours moves forward, which, which is the most offensive on his list. Burble tune. I mean, he was pretty specific in saying gunshot. Yes. Like gunshot. How much verbal is okay to you? Very little. I think, I think once it sounds like popcorn being made, and especially when these guys are rolling it, fucking six miles per hour and it's all fucking parking lot. Yeah. We get it. You're here. No one cares. It's an M four big deal. Like it gets 11 kind of sounds like that. I think when I upset you, if I pulled up to nine 11 sounds like it's supposed to. Well, it is supposed to. That's different. It doesn't just back. You're just not sitting there just like it's not backfiring. Oh, no, no, I know it. I know what it does. Yeah. I mean, I do think it's dangerous. Like if the sound originates because someone tuned their car for power and reliability and then it just has overrun noise to, you know, cool to sort of whatever, that's all right. But if we go into your credit card history and we find that you went to gunshottuned.com for $200 and you did because it. I didn't get it. I didn't get it. I had a little burn like that. Like I was like, no, stop when you're like in the hot pits. It was a burner at SEMA. And I was like, do not sit and just rev your shit. And then he did it. And it was a child walking by and I was also walking and it blew out my. I could I still can't hear well in this ear because of it. And I yell. I was like, mother, you will never come back. So this for me, this doesn't fall under mods, although it is the use of a mod, but this is certainly an activity that I am just too fucking old for. Which is like the Rev off. Yes. Like that I just do not understand. Like if I go to an event and that's happening at an event, it's like, I just don't want to be here anymore. Do they still do that? Oh, yeah, I just had to deal with it. Really big in like super car market too. Yeah. Also really big in the. He looks so shocked because he's like, that's my side of the face. But I don't go to the meat though. I don't go to. I don't go to helicopters and write offs. Seven hundred. Yeah, helicopters and write offs. Oh, like, yeah. People cold start their Lambo and. Yeah, it's like the DDE guys. Like that's like that side. Oh, I love them. They have a great time and there's a part of me that's jealous that they that's their business. They have a great time and I love them. Great jumps. And it's funny because I often get accused for not liking those guys because I'll shit on them. But if I shit on you, I probably like you. You know what? They drive. It means I have a friendship with you that you feel like you know, I can shit on you. True. Yeah. Or he pays you to do that. That's true. That's true too. I mean, that was the really the only perk at Hoonigan, which is being able to shit on all of you all the time. Never mind. I was going a different direction with that. Oh, it's like a German joke. Okay, got it. All right, we're here. We're here. Call it a sunroof. Yeah. So I'm gonna have to agree. So, yeah, I'm gonna have to agree. It's it's it's definitely verbal too. I think everyone knew that was making it to the list. It is one of the more unfortunate things that has happened. But there I want to like get into the mindset of those kids because they must think they think it's the coolest thing ever. They do. I found I found a Reddit post. It's so it was so adorable. It was written by a guy who's like 28 and he goes, I've aged out of my verbal tune and I'm not sure why. And he was literally asking and he's like, I had a 335. I had the verbal tune. I loved it and I see them now and I just think they're so stupid. What happened? Everyone's like, congratulations, you've turned 27. It's like it was really great. Automotive version of Jinko's. But you still drive a super loud fucking car. Like you just pulled up and I heard you from two blocks away. Yeah, but that's different. It's different. But you will eventually grow out of that. Like I love that. I love that I can't really hear my essay when I'm inside of it. I love that like my Vanagon's pretty quiet. And then like I go drive one of my loud cars and I like I will like constantly try to turn the volume down realizing that I can't actually turn that down. Like I'll like be just trying to think. I'll be like, which way do I have to go right now? And I'll like reach for the volume knob and then go, oh no, that's just the car being obnoxious. To be fair, I have so on the vet and then I just welded. I just built a new system for my K5 that actually has switchable like valve stuff. It's still pretty loud to most people, but it's not like open headers anymore. Right. But I can, you know, when I'm driving it a lot of times, like I'll switch it off like to, you know, be incognito. But then like I'll be driving like this doesn't feel the same. I'll just have to like open it up and be like, hell yeah, dude. But you can turn it. You can switch it back. And I do think that that is aging a bit. You know, it's like. I'm not trying to defend the verbal tune crowd. I'm trying to be played devil's advocate and be in their corner for a second. Do you think that they get that same feeling like that excitement that you get out of it? Like are we taking away something from somebody that like that? Like when I, I love decel popping my fucking 9 11, like it's a cool thing, but I do enjoy how it sounds going up through the gears more than I enjoy the pop down. Right. Like the pops cool and it's kind of like a novelty. But like if I had to make a choice, like ripping that thing from, you know, five and a half to, you know, eight grand is where it sounds best. Yeah, totally. But, but maybe they're getting something great out of it that we don't understand. These are mods. So yeah, they're getting, they're getting some sort of enjoyment out of all these things. Yeah. Yeah. It just, it's a terrible mod. Fair, fair. That's why we're having this conversation. Do you agree that that's the worst of your list? Yes. All right. So we're moving that one forward. All right. Cool. All right, Zach. All right. I knew the thing about this one, well, I think it's going to be hard for us to rank, which is the worst one. Yeah. I think that's going to be where, like, what is the most offensive is where the real, the real battle comes, but let's see what you got here. So my first one was clout tunes, right, which is include verbal, but then the big thing that irritates me is ghost cams. Somebody that like, I'll be honest, I didn't know this was a thing, but the minute you say it, I now understand. So like there was a, uh, and he drove like a, like a bad motherfucker. But like there was an F-150 in a show that I had in Nashville and I was like, man, things choppin. Oh, it's a, it's a coyote. And then I couldn't find out it's a completely stock coyote. It's just got like a timing sweep tuned into it. So it chops like, and you'll hear that on a lot of people, even that like install cams. And it's like, that's how they keep them like idling good and like able to take off. It's like, do like the timing sweep and like do the correction stuff. But like to not have any performance value to it. I don't believe so at all. None and all. So you're just faking, You're faking like the, you're faking the funk. I didn't know this existed. This is amazing. How much do you know about cam culture? Not that I know how it works, but I don't know what a cam is. A lot of his identity is on how like just like absolutely out of control, like lobby and lopey of cam can be. Oh yeah, man. I follow him. So like if your air conditioning can't run at idle because that's the cam profile doesn't allow your idol to be, you know, to do that. Like he's into it. Shouldn't have enough vacuum to have brakes that boosted air conditioning. I was telling him once, I was telling him once about a Volkswagen I had and as normally once I say Volkswagen, like his eyes just started glazing over and like rolling into the back of his head. And then I told him that the cam profile was so wild that if I turned the air conditioner on, it would immediately stall a car. And he like came back into the conversation. It's like, I kind of want to hear about that. Maybe I can install it to like, you know, like a margarita blender. Well, we, Carby, we love compromise, right? We love something that we have to get rid of in the effort of performance or interest. We're like, oh yeah, I can't even run this part of it because it's too powerful. But like, you have to think about why is the sound of like just the most choppy cam so cool. It just sounds badass. Because we relate it once again to cool race cars. And to power. And to big power. Yeah. Yeah. And the era we grew up in, I mean, I don't know about, I know like Le Mans existed now, but when I was a kid, I was around muscle cars, hot rods, and like occasional stock car things or like drag racers. I never saw a Porsche or whatever 935 like start. So whatever that sounded like didn't implant itself in my brain. So I don't really care. I don't think, I don't think none of them sound that good to be honest, but stuff like that. That's like, jiji jiji jiji. I mean, Brian's, Brian's chops. It's my 911. Yeah. It's like, I remember like I walked over and I was like, what the fuck is that? And I was like, oh, shit. Because you were like, it was cold as hell. Well, on a cold start too, it does like a full like 300, you know, 300 rev drop like. I should clarify old 911 race cars with big engines do sound like that. And sometimes I go, they put a V8 and that thing, but like new ones, the scream, it's just the sound. But like the old choppy stuff sounds cool. A buddy of mine was telling me the other day that this guy we know just built a car where he, it's a Volkswagen, but he ran like a, like either like a super thin or like a special type of metal on the flywheel and a special starter just to give it that race car start. Like that like weird sound. You're drawing a fucking X caliber. Yeah. Like a samurai. Yeah. Like there's that weird sound that like real race cars have when they start up that just like the sound of like really high compression, a micro starter because it needs the torque to turn it. And like a flywheel that's like his thin as Saran wrap. And it's like that combination that like just makes a certain noise that road cars don't make. And it's like he went to all this trouble to create that just cause it's a cool sound. And I respect that. Right. Like, but like at the same time, it's not far from what you're talking about, but he had to design and engineer this. So you wait for a race car. It's camming work. So basically it's like they can tune it and they can tune the timing sweep to just be like just basically it idols like shit, right? But like it's it's just sweeping or like jumping back and forth, right? Like to give you like some fake ass chop. I don't respect that because the one thing is like hold on, hold on, hold on. Is this is what our big issue with all of this is because almost everything we've said, it's fucking stolen valor. Yes, it is. Yes, I had that written. Yeah. A bunch of them stolen. It's stolen valor. It's because like you get to drive a car that you could push a button on and make it actually just operate normal. But then you get the cool points of how it sounds that way because of a car like mine that actually does all that, it has a lot of other things that makes it a really uncomfortable and annoying car to own, operate, drive and do all that. But you don't have to have that. Yeah. Here's the other thing like overhead cam v8s with like big ass cam profiles sound really nasty. And they actually like it's a really unique sound. It sounds like wild, right? So if you're like a quad valve v8 with like some big ass cam profile, it's like it sounds pretty savage or like the sock Ford old NASCAR motors like sound gross, like just nasty at idle, right? But again, stolen valor. So ghost cams is one of them. By the way, we just did the one thing we said we weren't going to do. I know we wouldn't. We wouldn't even. But all right, run the rest of your list. Okay. We want to interrupt. Second, squat trucks, right? Yeah. And then I have some other ones here, but like. Give the best, give the best of the group. We can bring the rest up in the blind spots. Any EV swap of a classic or performance vehicle. Oh, let's start with that one. Okay. Because any classic or performance vehicle. Yep. Because you you're taking away the heart, the thing that the thrill, the theater of that, what that thing is. And then you're just you're stripping it of all of its glory. You've driven some EV swap. Yeah. You want to go? I drove a Baja Volkswagen Baja bug that was swapped with EV. That was terrifying and very fast. Is that the guys down in? Yeah. What's the name again? Rust. Yeah, EV West. I drove their drift car, their E36 also. And then. What's the name of their swap kits? Like Revolts. It's like has a good, it's like revolt or something. So anyway, yeah. I know. But one of the ones I always thought was a good idea was like Vanagans or VW buses, because those are slow, unreliable. They can't get up a hit like. I would love my Vanagon to be electric. The engine does nothing for me. Now, but I think to your point. Yeah, the engine has. It's the car. It's not the reason I bought the car. The car sucks. Right. But if the car is good because the engine is part of the character, then swapping it like a 911 Ferrari, whatever, to put an EV in that and just completely mute it, like and castrate the thing and take away its song, whatever that is. That's terrible. Yeah. Like the thrill, the vibration, the sound, the theater from those cars. Even if it's slower, it just feels like it's the experience of driving of something that is. Exploding within itself is awesome. OK. Now, with EV stuff, battle this point here. Yeah, you can like do some sick zero to 60 times, zero to 100 times, whatever, right? That wears off so quick. Yeah. It's like nitrous oxide. Not in your car, but like taking hits of nitrous oxide out of like a balloon or like a. You know, you got 20 seconds of like. Whippets, boys. He's talking about whippets. Yeah. It's like you get this high for a bit. And then it just goes away. But yeah, it's just like it just wears off and it just it just it loses its fun after like when we had the lucid guys. I like, yeah, we had like six people in the car, big boys and it was fast as shit. Ozzy eating fast. But after like two runs, I was like, whatever, you know, this is boring. Yeah. You know. OK, so I would meet you on thinking that this is bad, but I don't think for all cars. There's a performance. OK, performance. You said you said classic and performance, but you mean classic performance. Yeah. Because like, for example, like, I don't know, like Suicide Door Lincoln, like I wouldn't mind an EV Suicide Door Lincoln. Like that car isn't about the noise. It's about cruising, the Vanagon. I wouldn't mind. Yeah. The Baja Bugs, an interesting one for me because I kind of find Baja Bugs to be like performance cars. And I do having been in ones that sound cool. You were just in the scumbug that. Which rips now. Yeah. Oh, jeez. It's so fast. What's in there now? It's like it's Ecotech. Ecotech, yeah. It's like a big Ecotech with a turbo. So it's a 2.4. Yeah. It is terrifying. But like also, there's something about the way the noise echoes through a beetle because it like just through the back wall of it. I don't know. It just sounds, I mean, it's kind of 9-11-ish, but it has like a really cool noise to it. But I think they're like cruisers. I don't mind. Vans, I don't mind. No. It's kind of like a whatever. Like if you're trying to get from point A to point B in the most comfortable fashion, you know, yeah, it's like it's quiet. It's, you know, but again, absolute pain in the ass to recharge. Yeah. And then also, if it's a performance vehicle, it's just lame. Like there's a reason why nobody goes to watch like, what was the F1 knockoff that they did all electric vehicles? Oh, no one cares. Exactly. It's called no one cares. Exactly. Nobody wants to go to that because it's not interdict. Formally. Formally. Yeah. Formally. Yeah. Or like E1, like the powerboat racing. Yeah. Great. They were like, what was the desert one too? That was the one I was thinking of because they had Ken race a couple of them. Streamy or something like that. Yeah. Like, I remember talking with R.J. Anderson. He's like, I don't know. He's like, I don't know if they're just like laundering money or something because like, he's like, we're at these exquisite places in the middle. They were like partying on yachts and stuff. But there's like, nobody watches this. There's no like, you can't view it from anywhere because you're in the middle and know. And they got to trans- got to transport them to all these different continents. This is a whole other pod, which is I'm going to start another podcast called the whole other pod. But this is because every time the automakers decide there's a new technology, they take all of their motorsport funding and they put it in that bucket. And everyone sees an opportunity to go build a cottage industry around this new tech that everyone wants to go do. EV was the biggest one. Everyone jumped in, everyone got burned. Because all of that stuff sort of, everyone's turning around now, Audi who was like, we're never going to make ice engines again in racing are like, hey, I'm forming the one. Hey, this and that, like, you know, they're going back to it. Cause I just, I'm not an anti-EV person. I think there's places where it makes sense. But like, it doesn't make sense in racing to me. Because part of what makes racing cool is the sound. Hell yeah. We're sitting here the whole time. One of the biggest complaints is people doing burble noise. And the reason they're doing it is because it emulates race cars. No one's like adding like a sound to their car. Yeah. Think about like how much time is spent or was spent on sound design for Jim Conno. Or how much extra time was spent on electric Conno. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sound design, right? For track. Cause you can't get the feeling and the excitement when you get here or something banging gears and stuff. All right, I'm a big supporter of that one. Let's talk squat trucks. Yeah, squat trucks are just fucking. Like there's no, hey, you can't, it's dangerous. It's straight up dangerous for you. You can't see. Yeah, you can't see. It looks dumb. Half your truck is lifted, the other half is lowered, right? It's like, you know, when you see the movie, Idiocracy, right? And it's like, ah, it's playing live. Right now. I'm the most fortunate to be foretold. Exactly. I just saw a kid rock at the Pentagon giving a briefing on the straight air mode. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So like, you know, you're like, wow, we're on an accelerated timeline to get to that. But like squat trucks. Yeah, like it's just dumb. It doesn't look cool. And then I had Kyle trucks, like roped into that kind of, like, like big, by the way, Kyle trucks, cause it was something that we named while we were walking SEMA one year. A Kyle truck is like a SEMA truck, right? Like ridiculously lifted. Any level lift. Stretched tires, right? Yeah, sluice, stretch shaft, all that stuff. Because that was when like the monster energy Kyle joke was big where it was like Kyle punches walls and sheet rock. Yeah. And we were looking like, why do these things don't even have a name yet? Cause they weren't like squat trucks. You can be called Hawaiian. Hawaiian style. And I didn't want to knock Hawaii with that. Like Hawaii has actually. You would not drive that. But also real Hawaiian trucks are kind of cool. Like if you go to Hawaii, like the lifted, like Toyotas are kind of cool over there and they fit in Hawaii. The, what we've done on the continental side of that is an abortion of that. 26s and 28s with like super thin stretch. The whole outside of SEMA. Fender lights, all that stuff. Or we would always be kind of like baked into them, you know what I mean? With like our space. It was always like surrounded. They were caught. So we named them Kyle trucks. And like that culture is massive. I mean, we'd operate. Big money. So many shows. Right? Like the Atlantic city show that we do is like 40 plus thousand people and it's like all of Baderfield is packed. Now look, hey, if it's such a like do you cool, but I just don't like the look, you know, with like the stretch. I like bought, you go to Sidewall baby. I get it. But we invited five of those trucks out for Jim Khanna 2022 when we filmed down in Fort Lauderdale, Miami. And I actually thought they were kind of cool. Like what, like I always thought they were uncool seeing them parked at SEMA, but watching them just like mob deep together and the cars like crab walking down the street. But I was like, I get it. Like to me, it's like low rider culture. Yeah. For trucks where it's like, and I get that that's also what mini trucking is, but like I do appreciate when they're done really well. Like it's not my hobby, but like I understood that about Donks too, but like they are real enthusiasts. Like they build things that work when they're not at SEMA. And like when they're actually out driving, it's like, I get it. It's like low riders on three wheels. Like this is like, it's like clown car, but there's something cool. So let's let's pull that out of there. Squad trucks, though. Terrible. It's just dumb. And then also the same time people like to just park it on like a just a basically stock of just like sitting to do rev offs. Yeah. Like part of that. I don't know if it's the culture I hate or just like the trucks are done. Well, they bit, they is one of the things that's actually been getting banned across the country because they are because people can't see over their hoods, so they keep like running into people or like literally just driving over cars because they all have typically big wheels. Backs are squatted so much that they can't see forward. And that used to be like the pre-runner aesthetic. I was going to ask about that. So like, so it was done like that here because they were built for desert running where it basically was set up so that like it was it's like a cheaper way to like from my understanding, someone will probably correct me, but like it was a cheaper way to set your vehicle up to run whoops with like big front suspension and like a lot of plush rear. And that's just kind of how they ended up. So on the street, it would just sit low in the back because it had a lot of but it wasn't like super dramatic, you know, and also it wasn't intentional. Like they didn't do it on purpose. They did it because like that was how the suspension setups ended up coming on their trucks, usually because they would put these big front suspension on and not do like full like bed and, you know, redoing the bed and like raise suspension in the rear so they would they would get this like weird setup. Now they're in a situation where it's like these guys are trying to be at the craziest angle possible. So yeah. So that's my list. All right. So we got ghost cams, squad trucks. What was the other one? Oh yeah, any EV swab. Which what's your least favorite on the list? What's what's what what really grinds your gears? I think the ghost cam thing is the most offensive because the squad truck, it's it's a dumb expression of car culture, but it's still like that happens. It's like VIP, you know, when people are driving around on one inch of the inside of their tire, when they've got a 315 tire, whatever it is, like that's stupid. But it's an aesthetic choice. But like the ghost cam is instead of taking the cam out and putting a cam in and like being stolen valor, that's what it is. It's misrepresenting what your vehicle actually is. Me, it's the EV swaps. At first, I was not on the page, but when we talk about just from a performance side, like if I like show up somewhere and there's like a beautiful like 9-11 and I'm walking around it, long nose, like it's all just like really well sorted. I get around to the back and there's a fucking motor and not an engine in it. I immediately like. It's like. It's like watching porn that when you get to a certain point, you're like, oh, I didn't realize this was the kind of porn I was watching. Like I feel disgusted and need to shower. So it's like. Chick has it. It's like it's like there is something about like this isn't what I thought I was going to be. And I don't know. I I I've driven some of them. But I don't find like none of them are better than what it was before. I think I will change my answer because when I went when I thought E V I went to the classics because that we were thinking positively. But when it's swapped into sports cars of any kind, it's it's a it's a ruining vehicle. What are you doing? Why are you doing it? So I think that I agree with you. That's we had a bunch of people bring. I mean, EV swaps were like on a trend for a while. Tesla swaps, all of that. And these guys would bring cars to Hoonigan all time and they would absolutely decimate tires, wheel speeds of 100 plus mile an hour burnout. Like it did all the things you would think you wanted to do. Because E V West brought that 36 by. Yeah. Really cool machine. But I wouldn't want to own it over the other one. And like as time has gone on, like I find them like I just don't know why to do it. And I think it ruins like like a lot of cars are like you're like, I just like it. It takes to your point. I think it takes like the soul out of the car. Yeah, I agree. It's like the robot of it. So also, and by the way, I'm not saying I like anything that's on your list. The one I give like and I know that this is high on the list because I've already sneaked at the I've already taken a sneak peek at the at sort of the blind spot list from the Patreon. But like squatted trucks are super high on the list. But as a guy who also drove like really slammed cars, like I understand driving something completely not pragmatic because it looks cool to you. So like I have a small soft spot for that. But I just find that like the EV swap thing is weird to me too. Because it's almost like I don't know who that enthusiast is. Who's like, I want to take this really cool car. And like make it. I wonder if it's generally not car people. But I think it's definitely gotten less popular because like you're not seeing it as much. No, it was a boom for a while. Because it was like new tech. And it was like, ah, this is like this is where the markets go. And we're going to and then as soon as they were like, nah, we're not doing that. And then there was like, thank God, all right. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So wait, you didn't have to swap your vote. No, but I agree with you. I do. Truly. We're of your three, which one irks you the most? Being the cam guy, the ghost cam is pretty offensive to me. But we might have to just we might have to just bundle it into the pops and the cam all underneath like sort of like faux ECU programs. Stolen, valor tunes, stolen, valor tunes. There you go. Stolen, stolen, valor tunes. That could be. We could just group that because I think like we've said verbal, we've said pops and bangs. And then that's I actually, that's how I had it like. Yeah. Grouped. So like. Yeah. If it fits in, it fits under there. So we got EV swaps and then stolen, valor tunes. That's that's so far on the list. Yeah. OK. We're all in the greens. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll come back. I'll drop my list. We'll go through the blind spots and we'll try to order them all. Here it is. Another story time interruption brought to you by my good friends at FCP Euro, but I must say today is a bit more of a confession. Some of you know I have a lot of cars, 26, and I can't really buy anymore. But that doesn't stop me from wanting. 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Whether the job calls for six degrees of surgically precise engagement angle or just medieval brutality, the Coloss can't be beat. Find this hilariously useful instrument as well as many others at wear tools.com. All right, we're back. And look, I want to start by giving a little caveat to my list is that I knew that like all of the corners were going to be covered by you guys and also the Patreon list. So I tried to like think a little outside of the box of the traditional things that like you would lean to and maybe some things that are like a little controversial that maybe we don't think are bad, but I think are. OK, fire away. So I'll try to get through the whole list without him cutting me off. So I'm just wait till I wait till I call the kettle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, you know, my bod, my rules. OK, first up on the list and this may be something that comes with aid. But straight pipes on streetcars. All right, I can already see I can straight pipes on streetcars is the first one. The second one for me is rep wheels, but I will carry that over to any kind of like replica thing, because nowadays it has become so easy to fake everything. And to me, I think part of the culture, especially of building cool cars is like finding the right stuff and like tracking that down. No, it doesn't always come in the spending. It's just like either getting that good deal where when everything is available for the lowest possible price and usually questionable material and quality and manufacturing, that one. And then the last one is 1000 plus horsepower street builds. Let's get into it. You know, I know you're gay. I I owned cars that technically make a thousand plus horsepower, but I think that do you want to go on that one first? Sure, we can go a bit. I think that the trend that every car now needs to make a hundred make a thousand horsepower to be cool has sort of we've we've like we've we've lost the plot of like what makes cars fun. Yeah. And I think we I mean, you even said, like, what did you say to us before the camera started rolling about your Tahoe or can you not admit it? Because then people will know that you're a little soft inside. What that's that's absolutely terrifying. It's undrivable almost. You couldn't drive it here. Well, no, because I don't have a big enough fuel cell and it's also a registered you you live like blocks for me. You you built a vehicle that is so unpractical that you can't drive it to my house and we live in the same town. I mean, technically, I probably could. It's just not. I don't know. But you might not make it home. Yeah. I mean, gas stations are between. Well, it's got to be at least 85. And then, yeah. So look, my point here is that you make a good. I'm going to go out by saying I love that thousand horsepower crazy machines. But I think we have moved into this modding trend that like 500 horsepower is not cool anymore, like 800 horsepower is barely cool. And now every car has to have a thousand horsepower. And we have the technology to now do that. I don't think that with that comes like one. I don't think most people can drive a thousand horsepower car like with any level of real control. I think that these horsepower wars have gotten a little out of control. And we've created this like this carrot that everyone's trying to build something that when you actually do own it is not actually fun. It's actually not cool to drive. It's like it's a pain in the ass. Yeah, it's a monster. I've tested somebody's ZR1. That made like 1100 wheel. And I was like, dude, this is like unusable. Yeah, like in any sense, like any part of the power band in any gear, even on like real sticky tires, just like it's worthless, but it's sick. But it's also you can just drive it around like five years ago. The amount of people who had thousand horsepower cars was pretty small. Yeah. Now it's like it seems like it's become a new normal. Yeah, like the recipe is so proven. It's not as expensive to build that kind of power as it once was. I'm not saying it's still cheap, but I also like I wanted to pick something that didn't live in the like I'm cheap. So I bought, you know, caliper covers. Like this is the other side of it. This is the like you have money. $60,000. You have money and you're going and building something that is kind of a useless car. Yeah. I mean, it's very. It makes sense on track. If you're a drag racer, you know, like, but. In most most times, like some of most people that are in the thousand horsepower range are usually on like turbos, right? And like I guarantee nobody's just driving her out. Like that that shit has turned most of the time all the way down just so you can like use it because it's a bragging number. Yeah. Like it's just cool to be like, oh, my thing makes a thousand horsepower. Yeah. Like my Nova makes, I don't know, maybe 650. Yeah. It is plenty fast. It's plenty powerful. I said that to you last time and you question my sexuality. And you were like, we're going to throw nitrous on it. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. No. And I'm like, I'm like, cool. We can do that for the fun of it, but like I'm never going to turn the tanks on. Like not for regular, not the whole point. I think if you have all this power, but you can never use it, then I think you're missing out on a huge part of driving that car is getting, being able to floor a car for more than half a second is like a really enjoyable thing. You know, and actually if you have a slower car, which you have several, there's a green one outside, like getting on the freeway. I'm sure you have to floor it. And it's exciting. I don't, for me, like when I was a kid flooring the car and just watching the numbers climb was so exciting. I was driving another gear and I knew it was something I shouldn't be doing. So short shifting because you're afraid of like, and if you have a thousand horsepower, you, you turn to get on the highway, you put it in fourth, you barely touch the gas and you're at 80. And then you don't get to really enjoy your car until you get off again. Well, the sweet spot, I think for street cars is like 550, 600 wheel. But that's like, it's perfect. How do we get people back to that? Because I think this is the new goals everyone wants a thousand. Well, it's because of the internet, right? Everybody just bragging. Now, like I built a vehicle that can't make less than that. I have it turned all the way down, but it's like roots blower. It's just not going to make it. And it's like, I can't use it. Right. I mean, I can. It's sweet. But it's not really a street car. Yeah, no. Like you would like to street it, but it's you built it for something else. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But like if you can't, I wouldn't call what you do motor sport, but. But it's sport. It's a sport. It involves motor. Motor flexing. Yeah. Yeah. Motor flexing is the perfect term. But no, I mean, it's like it's like is bull riding a sport. I don't know. It's kind of like the similar thing. Like you go into a pen and you try not to die. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. But no, it's like five fifty, six hundred is great on the street. You know, I mean, for usability, you could drive it and then you can lean into it. You know, you'd still probably get that thing up real getting some trouble. Yes. For sure. I'm surprised I'm getting any level of agreement from you. I was for sure this was going to be the one that you're like, that's insane. Every car needs a thousand horsepower. No, no, you actually are practical in moments. Turn 40. It's the 40. Yeah. I'm old now. But you also, you know, I always thought that like the bigger number was cooler and hyper cars. She always does. Exactly. And hyper cars, you know, the Veyron had a thousand. Oh, my God, this unattainable number. But then more hyper cars had that. And then all of a sudden, supers were making it. Everybody's GTRs were making it. So it just got boring. And I think maybe for you guys, like the more I was exposed to the car culture and around it for my job, the less interesting that stuff became. And I remember we filmed this guy. He had a 1200 horsepower. No, he had a 900 horsepower GTR. And we said, how long is this kippin on there? He said, I had 700 for two months. Now I have the nine. I'm kind of bored. I think I'll go for the 12. And I went, oh, so you're just chasing this drag and you'll never catch it. So I think it's exposure and maybe people just slowly get bored and then they'll return back to six, seven hundred respectable horsepower. I drove 1700 horsepower. You drove the same car like it's phenomenal. But in the right environment, in the right. It was, yeah, it was a closed runway. Yeah. Then it's amazing. That's what it's for. But to just like drive around and, you know, verbal pop your B 58 and then pull into, you know, the movie theater and be like, I have a thousand horsepower. Like, would you how much did he use on the way here? Other hundred? I will say I did. Ridin my buddy Justin's twin turbo R8. And it was like, oh, you could just go and get groceries in this. No, and then we clicked off an eight second quarter mile and completely unprep service on street tires. And like the AC was on. And I was like, wow, this is it does work for some. That was amazing. I'm not like, I'm not here trying to say that no cars should have a thousand horsepower. I'm saying the trend. Yes. That that seems to be the new standard, I think is bad for the whole culture. I've said it before. Yeah, I agree with that. Now, I have a it's funny. Yesterday I saw a video of a guy make it. He's like, yo, these are the new Alibaba Kong blower lids for like LT fours. You know, like LT fives and stuff. So like on the on the fake replica stuff, like just knockoff stuff. It's getting out of hand, man. No, it's I mean, look, in the early days, like I may have felt different about this because I felt like, hey, car culture and cool car culture shouldn't only be for the rich. Right. So it's like nice that there's like something another offering. But now it's like a full rep where it's like, do you want BBS RSS? Or do you want like like BB fives that look just like a BBS? It's like, well, that's again, it's in a stolen Valor thing. It's like that wheels cool for whatever particular reason to a certain person. And like finding one finding a set, rebuilding a set is all part of it. Like buying a set for $400 to look like that. I mean, like you were talking about watches before the show. It's like fake watches versus like why wear a fake Rolex versus a Rolex? Like I'd rather you just buy a wheel that's not that's like its own wheel. That's less expensive than trying to have a T37 or trying to have that. And I think that goes across the whole market because now it's like everything. Like I think someone called it like Alibaba tuning, right? And it's like we're just everything now is just fake parts. And I don't know, it just it one. Like there's just an inherent like reps are not cool, whether it's a Gucci bag or its wheels, like there's just a certain element of like you remove craftsmanship. Yeah. Yeah. And and there's a piece of that. The second part of it is it's bad for the industry, right? Because the people who put all the work into engineering these things and building a name around them, like that gets out there. You also might be buying a wheel that's not up to the standards of a real company and then it can shatter it 100 miles per hour. Like but I was going to say all those fittings like those. Oh, yeah, he constantly is battling like people just trying to like knock off the thing. But like the problem is in like the craftsmanship and the engineering that goes into some of that stuff, it's like, sure, it's got like kind of the same look and sort of the same function, but doesn't have like a 10,000 PSI rating. Right. Yeah. Right. And so there's the safety side on all that stuff. And also you just buying fake shit. I think the last part of it is. This one's kind of like a harder one to explain, because I think the internet has changed this for all of us and everything is like think part of what makes hobbies fun is like the progression that like you go and you get, you know, you build this like you get that like on my first car. Like, you know, I had I had springs and then when I was able to afford it, I bought coilovers and I started with conic wheels and then I got better wheels. And like, you know, you just like kind of keep upgrading and being able to build that because, you know, there was one, it wasn't easy to get all of it to it was some of it was out of my means. I think having like everything to be just available and you can drop it down and like hit send and it all just shows up and then you put it all on. It removes part of like what makes the hobby fun, like building cars like in one. And we did it for YouTube. So we probably created part of that trend, but it's not like the way a car should be built. Like a car should be built over time and you continue to enjoy each mod versus like, hey, here's my car. It makes it. I built it. It makes a thousand horsepower. And the first time I'm ever driving it is right now with a thousand horsepower. Yeah. I mean, think of anything you've you've bought where you you researched it a lot. Like all the time researching, you're getting the anticipation and like the joy of shopping and researching for this thing. Like you're getting all the brain chemicals. Like and you can stretch that out for six months while you save for springs or you save for coilovers. But if you just go and get a bunch of replica stuff, it's not as good, but it kind of looks like it. I don't people will think they want it all right away. And I don't think they do. I think you're miscounting. Being said, I just bought some rep stuff for one of my cars. So I don't know. But there was a set because there was a set of mirrors that I really wanted that are like no longer possible to find and somebody remade a couple of them. But that I do think is they remade them in carbon fiber. So it like improved what they originally were. They fixed some of the initial things. But like those that's like those mirrors are no longer available. They're very hard to find and they were kind of flawed to begin with. So I think that's that there's reproduction of something that is just gone. And then there is straight up copying something that exists that you want to sell for less money and fake it. And that's not cool. Yeah, I definitely paid more money for this. More expensive reps. Uh, and then straight pipes. What do you guys thoughts on that? On the street? They're super. I mean, you mean straight all the way from header back. Nope. No cats is dumb. And that's not just me. That's Steve Dineon on our show. He was like, you gain five horsepower. Maybe that's really stupid. So people who are taking the cats off, you're making the people who were behind you in traffic pass out. So here's where you're not gaining any power. It's loud. Cool. So here's where that comes from. I won't say which car because I'm not trying to snitch myself, but I have a couple of cars that are straight piped. They work and do the car's turn on. It doesn't matter if they're not. Yeah, they run and one of them is a daily. Right. And I went fucking different. I know, but I'm changing my look. Look, I can be part of the, I am part of the problem. Most of this podcast is me saying, sorry, murder should be illegal. Said the murderer. Hey, you know, self-awareness is a true virtue. Oh, yes. So, okay. Here's where I, and I'm going to change it because last year I did this like, uh, event, it was like a drive slash car show kind of thing. We called the Trefpunks was old Volkswagen Audi guys. Um, we did this drive. My car didn't have cats at the time and nobody wanted to be behind me. And eventually at the end, myself and Jason Whipple, who's my partner in Trefpunks said, okay, next year we're making a rule that no one can have straight pipes because like it makes it unenjoyable for the person behind you. And if like, when you're only hanging out with your own friends and you don't want to be behind your friend, you start to realize like, this isn't really worth it for the four horsepower. So I don't know. Like, I don't, and also straight pipes on VQs should like be illegal. It's funny. That was punishable by dad. And as to force, I was at a race track last weekend, they sound straight pipe to E 46 sounds the same as a VQ. Stop doing that. Trash. It is trash. I have a neighbor that like constantly has like a clapped drift car, you know, like a missile and like, man, every Friday it's fired like this. Like, God, well, also like that Arab BMW was like anti-rasp. What was the, the, the like, the, what was the thing that they used to sell for those the exhaust? It was like an anti-rasp. I think so. Yeah, that exists. Because they just sound so shitty. It's not terrible. Yeah. I'm not going to ever put exhaust on my car because it sounds worse. Yeah. So straight, straight pipes just really like no, no cats. Okay. Well, so here's the argument for no cats, right? There's also the sound. I'm going to be that guy. What do you have? There is a little bit of an environmental problem with it too, which like for a race car is fine before street cars. Yes. But like, so like the rest of you get when you don't have cats, it sounds nasty, right? Like I don't like straight pipes with no muffler, like some sort of like resonator, right? Uh, but I will say my vet has cats on it. Yeah. It's so much more pleasant to drive and it's loud as shit still. Oh yeah. We mentioned it like five times in this part. Yeah. I was like, how does this thing, this loud? Cause I thought it was cats. Like I was kind of forced into the cat thing, but like I didn't mind it because I was like, you know, was everything in your body just want to be like, fuck the EPA, pulling my cats off. No headers, just open valve. Yeah. Now my fucking 17th amendment, right? Like the engine fail. You know, like I will say like it's, it's fine, right? Now on my K five, I don't think I could put cat. It would like the more muffle that is like runs way worse. Like it's too much. Yeah. I mean, my Nova doesn't have cats. Big blocks need old cars. Different. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like, yeah. You know, back when we still poured oil into rivers. Also that. Yeah. Yeah. When chips had lead in them and paint was made of whatever. Yeah. But no, I would just say it like, especially like straight pipe, like super cars, like Dostron was higher, IQs were lower. Sorry, it was America. I'll stop cutting you off. All right. Let's move into you guys now decide which of the my list you want to move forward with your straight pipes, thousand or five cars or rep, rep product. Mostly rep wheels, but you know, just like high end rep stuff. I'm going to go rep. I agree. Really? Yeah. Okay. That's the move for you guys. Because it's, it's stealing, it's stealing the work of engineers, other companies. And you're not just, you're not, there are so many different designs you could have for a wheel, for example, that will look close to basket weaves without stealing the IP. Yeah. The only reason you're making, getting ones that look just like BBS basket weave, for example, is because you want people to think you have BBS's. Like you're straight up lying to people. You are doing it for $400. Yeah. You are lying. And you're like arguably trying to fit in only to then be called out for having reps, which like blows back on you to begin with. Yeah. I think the horsepower thing is just technology and access. It's automotive catfishing. It's tripled down from, yeah, it is. Yeah. It's automotive catfishing. Yeah. Once you, once they really get there, they realize you're not as hot as you said. Right. And I go, great. No, I gotta fuck this person. That doesn't happen to Zach often, but you know, so. All right. I would have said, I just, I want to put my vote out there. I would have gone for the thousand horsepower trend and I'll tell you why. Because I think it has created an unattainable expectation of cool to new entries into the car community. I think that there, we have risen the level of what is considered like the bar, that the bar now feels so high. And then actually when you get to the bar, you realize like you didn't want to be at that bar to begin with. But I think that it's removed like the coolness for like just a cool, well sorted like 250, 300 horsepower car. I think that that problem you speak of is real, but I think it permeates more of the car culture than just horsepower. I think people think they need a 9-11 or they think they need something expensive to have a good time. They need a crazy motor swap. That doesn't make sense. They need to have something. They need to, they need the RS at the end of their GT three and they need a GT three at the end of their 9-11 because just a regular 9-11 isn't cool enough to Vinny and fucking snob. Anyway, make that a clip that. Send it to them. Yeah. No, I mean, there's that problem too, which is maybe a whole other conversation. That's a whole other pod. So. But Vinny is a problem. All right. I'm going to move into the blind spots. You guys voted me on that one. So right now, moving into the blind spots, we have sort of any kind of tune that creates swizz where we're now referring to a stolen Valor tune, which I love that that works. And then from your side, we have. Quadrants. No, no, it was the EV swaps. EV swaps into performance cars. And then from my side, we have reps. All right. Now let's let's bust out with the with the Patreon. So. Okay. As always, we question the Patreon a day or two before we do this to get them to give us what we refer to as the blind spot list. So these are things that like maybe we weren't thinking about. Okay. One of the ones that comes up immediately is Instagram handle stickers. Oh, damn. I was that was the one. I would want. Yeah, that's a good one. It's not even a mod. It's just something you shouldn't do. But I guess it feels like a mod like you had to pay for it. You had to put it on your car. Mm hmm. Yeah. Who has ever looked at someone's car and been like, I'm going to go follow that. Nope. Never. I don't think anyone does. I'll just I'll ask the person if I'm talking to them and I like whatever they're building on and talking about it later, I'll be like, Oh, what's your thing? But don't you see the back windshield banner? And you know what? They don't do that. They just go, it's this thing. These you've words. What do you think is like, do you think they think like some other dude's going to roll by and be like, Oh man, that dude's cool. I'm going to go follow him. Or do they think some chick is like, Oh man. You hear his fucking pops and that's the thing. That's the dream. I want that to pop and bang me. I'm going to hit him up on his Instagram pop, pop and bang and Instagram handle combo is pretty serious. Yeah. It's a full Edgar move. Yeah. You're in there. Yeah. They honestly, I don't know, man, but like you're just you're causing problems for yourself because you're exposing exactly who you are. And you know, it's easier to track and with all these cameras that'll with all the flock that got brought in right damn takeover kids. Right. Yeah. So you're just, you know what? You're just giving up, you know, all your information to be have that car seized. Here's one that I actually disagree with. I don't mind them that much is rock lights. So like, like basically under glow, but for trucks, I don't know. Oh yeah. I'm a bit of a racer. I still think like I still think rock lights are cool, but it's on the list a couple of times. It, they wrote Lucas Graham says, Rock lights, squatted trucks. That whole class. Oh, that's a little, that's a little dismissive. That's just right there. Yeah. Except I've seen, I've seen trucks that was like the rock lights stuff. And then underneath it says rock lights are the underglow for pavement princesses. So yeah. Oh, that's a hundred percent true. Yeah. When you have rubber band tires on a lifted truck. Yeah. I will say rock lights in the engine bay makes for really nice when you're trying to work on stuff at night and like find a problem. It's a good point. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I actually think rock lights, like the original intention for them is off-roading at night and being able to see around the vehicle. Like that was the original idea as in it shows you rocks. It's become a little bit more like, check out my wheels and check out my, it's accent, check out my chrome, like my chrome axles and things like that. But like, I don't know, I'm going to eventually put rock lights on my van because my van breaks. Everyone's the same. I have to work on the same as like a house that has a light shining up at its palm tree. So at night you're like, by the way, we have a palm tree. By the way, you know what we need to add it? Cause I had a few things on my list when you said that I thought about it is OEM mods, like things that like the manufacturers have started putting in cars that are really uncool. Up badging. No, up badging is like, that's like what people do to it. More like, like engine noises coming through the speakers. Oh my God. Another one I want to call them out for is like, I really hate that when I open the door on my wife's Land Rover, it shows the image of a Land Rover on the floor next to her. Like, oh, it's just so great. The polylight. And now that's a whole of the M2 CS has lights in the doors that tell you that say CS. So if you're sitting there, you remember what car you're in. All right. Yeah. That's, that's just, that's just a lot. Um, a lot of guys here on Burble Tunes, um, big wheels on old cars, nine out of 10 times they look like rubbish. I don't know. I like tinted front windshields. I mean, I happen to have a very tinted front windshield on my Raptor because I got it from Arizona and you know what? In Arizona, it's kind of nice. In the desert. It's great. If you live in the desert, but I get that. But at night. Oh, I didn't see it. I have to roll my windows down to like go through parking. So I think these days you can get clear UV film that is very helpful for sun and skincare and stuff, but you can still see. This is a really good one. Uh, and I may be, I may be, uh, I may be a little guilty of having done this in the past is you fake overlanders with your top heavy roof, top tents, creating enough drag to decrease your miles per gallon by 10. It was number six on my list. It was. Absolutely. Okay. So that could be truck rice. That truck rice that could move into, uh, into one of our, our blind spots. I support that one forward. Uh, horns. So basically like train horns, anything in that kind of space. Andy says Altezas and either Andy didn't read the last decade. He's from 1999 or Altezas are back and we're too young to know. We're too old to know. I'm not really sure. So now we're talking about a tesla lights. Yeah. On ice or a hundred. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You will remember the other. Yeah. And then they went everywhere. Yeah. They went everywhere. Yeah. Um, I'll be honest when those came out, I thought they were super. So did I. Cause it was different. It felt like so futuristic. Yeah. I definitely was sitting there trying to figure out how to do Altezas on my golf. I never did, but yeah, some of those things. Um, let's see. I whistles that go. Woo. Oh, that's an old club rub. Woo. Um, uh, someone else said, uh, someone else said, actually said exactly what we said, people going catalyst to gain four horsepower, but it only really smells like shit all the time. Jillian says that. Yes, Jillian. We agree. Um, the, the, uh, let's see, uh, OEM, uh, let's see badge overlays, um, putting uglier wheels on the stock. Like, I don't know if I would say that's a trend, but we've all seen people do that. We're like, ah, that looked better when it was just a hawk. Why did you change that? Um, fake hood pins, fake scoops, fake vets, fake scoops and vents was on my list. Straight piping non-performance cars. I don't know. Actually, I think if you got like a dodge Aries, like run that thing with a straight pipe full bozo out the back, like we'll just do it. Um, a lot of verbal tunes, a lot of squatted trucks are on here. This guy says squatted trucks, especially the Carolina squat. I didn't know that there's a difference between, Oh, you didn't know that's, yeah. The Carolina, I thought that was where it was originated. I didn't realize it has its own deviance level. I should have, I should have specified the Carolina squad. That's like, that's, that's like maximum. Can you inform, that's like, that's like a 35 plus degree rake angle. Whoa. That's almost the optimal angle for peeing across the room. Yes. 45. Maybe it's a continuation. This is a good one. Rolling two step on a normally aspirated car. Cause there's no reason for it. That's a good one. That's a good one. Um, chassis mounted, uh, wings on stock road cars or hot hatches for no reason. Doing K or LS Coyote Hellcat or Jay-Z swaps for no reason or affordability. Um, many cars have good engines, whether they're supposed to or not by aftermarket. Okay. I think this kind of falls into the Vinny argument, which is like the engine swap thing is we're doing it too much. Like not every car needs an engine swap. Oh, just swapping to swap. Just to swap the swap, like to swap because of the cool points of the swap versus like a good reason to swap the car. Right. Like instead of like, Hey, I can turbo charge this car and make a very reliable and good power instead. I'm going to rip it out and put in a car, put in an engine from another manufacturer for cool point. Yeah. So clout swaps. Like a YouTube problem. Clout swaps would be a good, a good, a good way for that. Dodge owners. Dodge owners who leave bright yellow splitter protectors. Yeah, we all agree with that. Um, making Rams say war off road builds with highway tread tires. Oh, that's a good one. Um, street driven diesel trucks with hood stacks. Kind of mentioned that before. Um, let's see what else we got here. Uh, shotgun tunes that was, you mentioned that giant wings. Um, chrome parts store knickknacks. Oh, dude. You know, oh, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just going to say that was going to be one of my, like, uh, the, the, the wheel lips and like, I don't think anyone, I'll be honest. I don't think anyone who does that listens to the show. No, they don't know what I see. Those things I actually have like a, like a weird empathy reaction. Cause it's like you have been so, you've been led down the wrong path, my friend. Like, like this is like, like, let me be your chef. For that. I don't know why are you adding like the Buick portholes. Yes. Yo. Mine is my neighbors, some creators, my neighbors, the back speed boys, uh, they, they, they always go on these, like they, they buy like the shittiest car they can, then they do like a, like a quick refresh and stuff. And they came with this SN 95 Cobra, right? And it had the Buick ports. The crowd was like, what part of South Los Angeles? You get to, actually that's exactly where we got it from. And I was like, was the guy like 50 plus? They're like, yeah, actually. Love Buick. Yep. Like I thought of that in my own one, which was just like parts store mods. I was going to say that, that wrong aisle in auto zone. Yeah. Like, yeah. Like, like where you're just like, oh, but at the same time, I remember being really young and just really wanting to like mod my car. Although my car was already modded and like not having access, it's different today, but like not having access to places where you can get like really cool parts and going to places like that only to sit there and say, you know, like, oh, do I want that? Like, oh, that'd be kind of cool. Like, you know, and I'll admit, like I definitely did like fake carbon wrap, like dash parts and stuff as a kid, you know, you grow out of it. But it's like a teenage phase for cars. Like the same way you get like piercings and, you know, dire hair, crazy colors and stuff. You're just like, I can afford $20 for. I'm going to put this GTR badge. Yeah. Or like, I was going to say, if we were doing this from a time period of like the 90s, you remember like the, the radiator hose sleeve that made it look like an A.N. line, like a brand. Yes. Yes. I wanted that too. So, OK, one, what do we like from that list? Is there anything there we want to move forward? Can I throw one in that I'm shocked? It doesn't matter. Let's go with this one first. And then we'll go, we'll go into the extra things we have. Carolina squad for sure. Because it was missed on the first pass. I mean, but yeah, it's a obviously lots of people. A lot of people said it. If we were going to do it, what was the other one? Did it have a lot of upvotes? Yeah, that was definitely just the amount of people who said that was really big. So that one was definitely there. The Instagram handle one was also was also pretty prominent Instagram handle mod. I'm I'm I hate seeing Instagram. And every time I see one of somebody's car, I'm like, hey, man, you're cool. Don't do that, please. If you have one on your car and you're listening right now, just we can help you. Little Windex and a razor. Time like it never happened for 999 a month. You can subscribe to Brian's Patreon. Where we can teach you how to de Instagram handle your car. OK. I think I like this the swap one, I think, is it? But that's a smaller problem. I think it's a YouTube. Yeah, that was on my that was on my list. Like if we were to expand expand my list of five, I would have included like cloud swaps. So because I think that there's this world where like we're just doing we're just doing it to do it. I vote Instagram. Like Tony Harmer always says to me, he always says, like, man, people really just be doing things. It goes to the most. It'll send me a link to just some crazy car bill that'll be like, man, people really just be doing things. It's the best way to explain it. So so if you had if we had to go between Instagram handle or squat trucks, what's your vote? My vote is squat trucks. It's a terrible thing. I mean, Instagram handles bad too. But squat truck. All right, dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, I think squat trucks is that it feels it almost feels low hanging fruit to me, but I guess it is pretty bad. It's easier to take things out of the bed of the truck, I guess, but harder to put them in. Are you like pushing uphill the whole time? Yeah, it's also really made the vehicle completely useless. Yeah. And that, yeah, that's a problem. Yeah. What else you got? The one I had was putting raptor lights on trucks that are not wide enough to be raptors. You know, the three orange lights that Tacoma boys like to put on there. I want to tell you, Mike Burrows just did that to the truck. I sold them. Really? I sold them an F1. I sold them. Well, Ashley's F100. He put the roof lights on. He put the fire lights. I mean, can you give the audience the legitimate reason why that was a thing? Yeah. When the raptor came out in 2010, there was a law that any vehicle that's wider than 80 inches had to have three orange marker lights. No closer together in six inches, no further part of the thing than 12. And it had to be on there just to tell people, hey, this is a big vehicle for things like buses. Or dualies. Or dualies, stuff like that. So the raptor was, you know, 87 inches wide or something like that. So it needed it. And then it became cool. Because it's it's the stolen valor thing. That's a really common threat. I'm realizing because it's people showing up in smaller trucks. It's the sock in your pants. And they're like, no, no, no, I put them on too. But you don't need them. It's like, oh, I know, but it's the raptors have them. And I want to be a raptor. I want to be a big kid. You know, like, well, you're not a big kid yet. So just wait. Did by bringing on half of the smoking tire, we become just an elitist podcast now. Because it's like, if you're not here, everything is stolen. I'm just kidding. Yeah, I just like, well, here's the thing. They don't they don't project any light onto the ground. So if you're offering at night, great, put all the lights on you want. But those three orange things only their only purpose is so people see you in the dark and go, big truck coming. And then you and then you show up. So you show up with a Tacoma, which is a superior vehicle to a raptor in many, many regards. As a first gen Raptor owner, I'm going to. They're awesome. Wait, what's superior? I think the Tacoma does some things better than Raptor does. What? Trail. Have you ever driven up a hill in a stock Tacoma? Like, like, I mean, like, I mean, like, I mean, like over 80 on the highway. That is difficult. No, that's true. Raptor is a better highway vehicle. It's a better open desert vehicle. But for like, I've been on some narrow trails for off-road camping. That part of Raptor is problematic for that. Yeah. But that's, but it is a great truck. Don't get me wrong. Okay. So we have just so we can, we can kind of go back to stolen valor. So we have stolen valor tunes, right? I love that we've branded that this time. So we have stolen valor tunes and that's going to include like pops and bangs. It's also going to include like ghost cam, ghost cam, which I didn't even know was a thing. That's the horrors of life. Um, obviously then we have, um, why do I keep forgetting yours? Evie swap. Oh, right. Right. For performance. Of course. Yes. Evie swaps for sure. Because Evie's are forgettable. Mm-hmm. The experience is forgettable. Ah, yeah. That's true. Nice, nice job there. Um, and then, uh, rep parts. And then we also have our, um, squat trucks. Okay. So let's add one more thing from either something that was said here. It could be Instagram handles or is there something else on your list that you've got? Uh, you stole my, uh, oh yeah. That's right. It's right here. Oh, thanks. Recycle. Yeah. What's funny is like I had straight piping any VQ. Oh, I had. Okay. How about specifically where? Yes. Uh, bolt on flair. So basically like Bushwacker JDM builds, like, like I, there's, there's some things where it's kind of cool. I think it works if you're running a bigger tire. Like I have built, like I have the Bushwacker flares on my van, but I'm also running a 10 inch wheel. So yeah, I'm talking about like. There's all these like kits where it's like just bolt on flares and I just think it looks like a Bushwacker. You mean on cars? Yeah. On cars. Okay. So the name for that, and I would say it actually goes back more than 10 years, but we were, you used to refer to that as the, um, overfender nationals. Yes. Right. Which was, I want to give the credit to formula DERP for that one, which was like the overfender nationals was SEMA, like every call, like what can you not overfender? Like everything gets overfendered. It's the Oprah of body kits. Like just put an over fender on everything. Yeah. I have a few over fender cars, but you know, it works on some things. You, I have an RWB. Yeah. And my, my, my, my Audi coupes over fender too. Also running a 12 inch wheel. That's also like, it's like race car. Shoot. Yeah. I'm talking about like a fucking BRZ. Some beers work. It's the, it's the, it's the non-necessary version. Yeah. But I don't know. I think honestly, above that, the Instagram handle one definitely trumps it. Yeah. Anything else that you got? Straight by VQs. Did you have other stuff on your list? Uh, you, you, it sounded like you had some backup. You wrote the Iliad. Yeah. Like, yeah. You, you brought in war and peace over here. What do you got? Just, yeah. Oh no, you already covered it. Stick on, stick on scoops and vents. Can I post your, can I post your research to Patreon? Cause I think other people might want to read it. No, it was stick on scoops and vents, which we covered. We covered that one. But I think straight by VQs are offensive to your point. They enter your living room and they have sex in front of you. And we need to stop that. It's not like sex. Right. It's like, it's not the sex you want to watch. Cause like sometimes like there's like, like when a Ferrari comes down my street, I want that sex to like wander its way into my living room. I get to hear it. Yeah. That's because it's an Eastern European 12 out of 10 coming into your room, not, you know, a d*** with like, anyway. We're going to bleep so much of what Zach says. But okay. Yes. You've seen so much more of the world. Okay. And all this before, and all this before 12 too, which is the amazing part. All right. So, so we're going into our final five. Stolen Valor tunes, EV swaps on performance cars, rep parts. Squat trucks and Instagram handles. And we think that's better than anything else that you had previously said, like you had other stuff on your list. You obviously had squats. You got two things in anything from your list better than your caliber covers better than cause the Instagram handles happens across all marks, all models, all income levels. Yeah. And look, if someone here is listening and we can educate the youth that that's just not something we should be doing to our adults that do this with like, they're like, they're like, you know, you have it on your coning seg. Okay. That's actually the largest. That's like one of the biggest. Uh, yeah. All right, guys, we're going to take another quick break and, uh, we'll come back and we'll try to rank all of this. It's the snack intermission brought to you by Viper industrial. All right. This is my favorite part of the show. This is a snack cart where we enjoy hopefully a new snack for everyone. And we rate it brought to you by Viper industrial. Basically you can thank them for both what you're sitting on and the snacks we're about to eat. Best chairs in the game. I found these the other day. The Reese's big cut strawberry peanut butter and jelly. So it's a Reese's cup, but with strawberry in it. No one's had this. No. All right. Everybody gets their own. They're tinkering with an almost perfect snack. So risky. All right. Initial responses as you're still chewing. I could not bad. Somebody engineered some flavor. Yeah. Top scientist working on this. I think it needs more jelly. It's like 5% jelly taste. I would just like Reese's, which is fine. I mean Reese's are good, but I agree. It's a little light on the jelly. Zach, what's the dilliest thing you've ever had in your mouth? Which Zach? Oh, I mean, I don't remember her name, but it was behind a dumpster in the dumpster. One thing about Zach is Zach will eat just like raw meat and then turn around and then just eat garbage. He doesn't let everyone see him eat garbage, but I've eaten garbage with them. I might be his garbage friend. Sometimes any port in a storm. All right, boys, rank him. Yeah. What is this good on a scale of one to 10? I'm going to give it like a three because like I'm already like starting to like not feel good. I'll give it a five. It was a six, but now my stomach does hurt. So I give it a five. I really enjoy like the peanut butter and jelly, like the little like, what are those called? The crustables. Crustables. Yeah. Like those are good. I have a child. When you have a child, you eat child food. Did you eat those before the child arrived? Yes. Anyway, back to the show. No further questions. All right, we are back. We are back. Let's rank them, boys. Let's start with, usually we would have six and we'd have to kill one, but let's just, let's just start with what is, what is almost acceptable? Like what is the thing that maybe doesn't deserve to be on the list? Right. So it's, it's, it's got to be the fifth place thing. So it's the thing that like. Squad truck, I think I'd put fifth. It's it, cause it's an exp... Give me the argument. It's not a good trend. It is a little bit dangerous, although it might be. Yeah, it's the most dangerous one on here. But like there's, most of the cars back in the day had a huge forward rate. Yes, it was based on, on like drag racing and stuff, but it became an aesthetic that permeated into the streets, right? And it's just, I think it's a trend. It is an aesthetic choice. People think it's cool. It will fade. That's the other thing is I think it'll go away more quickly than some of these other ones and let people kind of drive the thing they want to drive. Hopefully they don't hit other people. What's your take on that? I'm going to have to say maybe IG handles would be at the, I mean, it's gross. But like it's not in your, like you're not going to get rear-ended by an IG. Yeah. And you're not also, you know, stealing people's ideas and concepts. It's not just super irritating, like the tunes with like pops and bangs and stuff like that. You know, so. I would be between that and EV Swaps. Because here's the thing on the EV Swap is like, it annoys me, but I also am one of those people who like, I hate when people tell me what I shouldn't do to my car. And I like, do you know what I'm saying? Like it's your fucking car. Meaning like, no, no, no, but I, It's like this tireless thing. I was just saying like you can't scratch your car. I guess, I guess more what I mean is like, I have a bunch of Porsche purists who are like, oh, I can't believe you, you know, chopped off your show. I'm like, I don't fucking care. Like it doesn't matter. It's my car. I can do what I want with it. I feel like the EV Swap thing kind of, you know, it's like, I'm like, I'm like, and it kind of like goes into it. It's not, it's not like hackery. Like they usually, a lot of the swaps are done pretty well. Some of the 9 11 swaps are actually reversible, which like makes it less of a problem for me. Um, I just think it's not cool. But I guess that's what the whole, I guess the whole argument here is like, this isn't cool. It's not really about safety. And is, is the EV Swap really just like, it's a version of the engine swap that bothers us? Like if you take a 9 11 and put less than it changes the character, I would argue that I think castration. I would, I would argue that it is actually peak clout swap because like, I think, especially when all of it was happening and I got friends who saw the car, so I want to hear from this, but like, like Lee, but like, you know, those are things that like, I was like, Oh, this is cool. And people are going to think it's cool, but like you made the car worse. Like you probably made the car worse, especially if it was already a performance car. So, uh, maybe, maybe it's, maybe it is IG handles. All right. So I'll go. Why? Yeah. Cause it's not dangerous. IG handle fifth. All right. Next. I mean, in the way we've been having the conversation next is either squat or EV swaps unless or rep parts or stolen valor trucks, but it seems like those were for fourth. For the reasons of EV swaps and forth to agree to that because like rep parts is super irritating and it's like, it's, it's damaging to the country. Um, I will argue that maybe squat trucks, uh, should be there. Should be fourth. You know what? As soon as I said that, I kind of pull the words back into my mouth because I guess again, just like IG handles, like EV swaps aren't really dangerous other than that they could catch fire in an entire fire. Fire patrol can't get it out and takes like three battalions. True, but gas cars tend to get on fire more often. Statistically, because there's more of them. Is it by ratio? I think it's by ratio too. Like the fire thing is, is going away and, and well, then there's hybrid fires. That's a different story. Yeah. I don't know. It's the, it's the fact that most, and this is a whole other conversation, but it's the fact that we are now installing, uh, containers full of water at fire stations, because we don't have to put the fires out. It's just a little terrifying. That's true. It's a little scary. Yeah. I've seen an electric fire. I'm going to tell a story. Though maybe I shouldn't actually think I'm still under NDA. I was once involved in an electric car that we had to leave in a parking lot, uh, over two nights and like leave it away from everything else hidden because we thought it was going to explode. Not just a G4XE. What? Is it a G4XE? I can't say what it was, but it was definitely terrifying. We all thought it was going to blow up. So we found an empty parking lot and left it there for two days, hoping that it wouldn't explode. All right. I guess I'm good for EV swaps in four. That's the, this, this has not been as much of a fight as I thought it was going to be. Um, it's, it's almost so easy to hate with you guys. It's like, it's just really just comes naturally. We all agree. Yeah, we all agree on this. Yeah. So all right. Top three we're getting into now. Third place. Is that where squat trucks land? Or rep parts? Uh, I mean, I will say this, the Patreon, no one really mentioned rep. I should guess they did. Some people said Alibaba tuning. I'll say squat trucks is third, in my opinion, because it only affects the squat truck community and the people they hit, but that's still a fairly, fairly limited number. Whereas, because if you don't know, are stealing from all the people that have made parts and also, uh, it's the stolen valor thing. And then so is, uh, the, the tunes. Man, I almost didn't put rap on my, on my top three list. It's crazy how fast it's, it's moving. It's, I'm glad you did though. I wouldn't have put it or thought we made the joke in the chat earlier about it, which I thought was really funny, but I think it's a really good point. Cause it's taken all this product, all this money away from people who made the real thing. Yeah. And sometimes the rep part is literally dangerous. And sometimes it's just like a heavy shitty version of the thing that you really wanted to buy. And other times it makes the original thing uncool because the rep becomes so prolific that people think that it's all rep. So you know, yeah, that starts dragging it down. Like there's certain wheels that used to be really hard and rare to find like Ozie Futuras. And like now there's just like a ton of reps in the market or like the original, um, AMG, um, mono block arrow to really cool wheel. Now there's a rep company that makes them. And it's like, all of a sudden everybody has them again. And like the search for that was part of what made that wheel cool. Okay. So third place, squat tracks, squat tracks. This is almost too easy. All right. All right. So now it's between one and two. So stolen valor tunes or rep parts. What's the, which one, which one is the worst of the current Mod trends? Which one really just, I'm going to go to like, I'm going to go to the tunes, man. Is the worst. Yeah. That's going to be my number one. I didn't want to say it, but that's my list too, because they, they're everywhere. They enter the living room. They're offensive. Uh, and they're misrepresenting a lot of stuff too. I don't think anyone would get us, get a, not give you much of an argument for it. It is probably the worst part of culture right now. It's also, I'm going to add this one because we haven't really talked about it. Uh, it is close to as annoying as takeovers are to the police department. Oh yeah. So in talking to my friends at the sheriff's department, they're like, one of the issues is that we get so many phone calls for gunshots because of this. And do you remember at Hoonigan? Cause we were in slightly of a dicey area when we were at Hoonigan, Long Beach. Um, we used to have a triangulating system that would go off all the time whenever we would run any of our cars that had anti lag. Oh, the gunshots. Oh, the gunshot triangulation. So, so the triangulation system can tell where there's a gunshot and then it, it like, it can narrow it down to like 30 feet. So the police used to constantly come to our building while we were like tuning or testing cars or just filming, thinking that there had been gunshots. And they'd show up and we'd be like, we're just filming. They're like, all right, fine. We figured as much. You have the, uh, the three south of the border Honda boys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like that was, you know, so that is one of the things that causes like the annoyance level, but the annoyance is so high that now the police are mad and the only way they know how to deal with that is to say all after market exhausts are now banned. And that's how we're moving into a future of the world where you're just not going to be allowed to tune your car at all or make any changes. So like that, I think is one of those ones where like the eat, like the, the rep, the future, the rep parts affects the present. Yeah. And the rep parts is like, it's annoying. You could argue that we're being a little classist because we're saying, Hey, you shouldn't buy things unless they're real. But I think that from an engineering point of view, from an IP point of view, which like I'm a big supporter of creative IP and people should get paid for the things they make and you shouldn't be able to rip them off. Um, from the safety point of all the broken stuff and like wheels just splitting or just bad, bad quality stuff and things like that. That's all really bad. But yeah, I don't know. I guess, yeah. I mean, not that it really matters. You guys have already voted. So it's, we've already ranked this, but I just wanted to talk through it. So burn a few more minutes on the clock. It's true. Cause it's sense and you agree with that order for yourself as well. Um, yeah, I think this works. I mean, I would, I kind of knew going into this, like when, when you first texted me, cause I asked you, this was your idea. It was like, what was the worst mods? And when you, when you and I texted back and forth at the top of my head, I was like, this is either going to be squatted trucks or verbal tunes. So can I tell you something that didn't get on the list? And maybe cause it's more than a decade old. And I kind of forgot to mention it before is a truck nuts. Truck nuts. I started writing it and I went to old, it's too old. It's 15, 20 years. Like it feels like it's in the past. Yeah. I'm still offended by the one I see them. Sure. I'm still like, oh, like, I don't need to see that. Somebody made a lot of, oh yeah. Yes. All those. Cause that was every, especially in the Midwest, holy shit, it was everywhere. Yeah. I'll also say another one. And this is probably just me being older and I have a child now, but like big profanity on cars. Oh yeah. Like there's the one guy who I think has like, he had the windshield banner on the back of his car that said like, I eat ass. And like he kept getting pulled over. I was in charge of her cause that guy had, I saw one of those and he also had his extra. And it's like, I get it from a first amendment point of view. It's like, yeah, you should be able to say whatever. But it's like, I don't know. It's just like, it's like, at that level of attention, it's like, you don't realize how much of a douchebag you're being like, you were giving me the douche chills, right? You know what that means? Like I feel, yeah. You're by association. You feel like I feel douchey. Yeah. Yeah. It was quite a few. I'm cringing at your doucheery. Quite a few stolen looking G8s at LSFest West this last weekend that had some wildly profane things blasted on the back windshield. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I get it. Like when I was a kid, I remember people had like Calvin pissing off Chevy logo or Ford logo. We've had it in the community forever. I don't think it's been our brighter side. So there's that. All right. Any, any other notes, changes? Anyone else forget anything before we lock this in for, I mean, this is basically history. This is like the New York Times of this year. This is the rain word now. Yeah. This is it. All right. Here we go. The list. Number five. Instagram handles as stickers on your car. Number four. EV swaps in performance cars, especially classic performance cars. Number three. Squat trucks. Number two. Rep parts. Stop robbing from the real people who made things. And number one. A term that was coined on this show. Copyright. Stolen Valor tunes and please explain that. Stolen Valor tunes. That's Burble tunes, ghost camps, backfire, shotgun, machine gun tunes, whatever the hell you want to get cracks and pops and bangs. All that bull shit. Listen, just, just do get some real parts in there. Okay. Yeah. Don't be a. Get a real tune. Get some real parts. Just let the car make power. Yeah. Or just straight pipe your car like other people used to. And be lower on the list of bad things to do. Yeah. Number seven. Yeah. Yeah. Be a number seven. Don't be a number one. No. So. All right, boys. This has been fun. Gentlemen. Super fun. Yeah. Yeah. Good times. I think we made a decent list. I think we got real progress here. 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