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Jake Shane | Trump Throws Tantrum at SOTU, Tries to Co-Opt Men's Hockey Olympic Gold Medal Victory: A Closer Look

27 min
Feb 26, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

Seth Meyers analyzes Trump's State of the Union address, focusing on his negative polling numbers, his tantrum when Democrats refused to applaud, and his attempt to co-opt the men's Olympic hockey team's gold medal victory. The episode features an interview with comedian Jake Shane about his Broadway debut and his popular podcast 'Therapist.'

Insights
  • Trump's approval ratings have deteriorated significantly, with his net approval at -27 points before the SOTU, the worst of his political career and notably weaker among independents at -47 points
  • State of the Union speeches have minimal lasting impact on public opinion regardless of party; voters rarely remember specific policy content but remember memorable moments or gaffes
  • Political leaders attempting to take credit for achievements they didn't directly contribute to (like Olympic victories) undermines credibility and appears desperate to voters
  • Republican party members continue to provide uncritical praise of Trump despite objective polling data showing declining support, suggesting party loyalty overrides honest assessment
Trends
Declining effectiveness of major political speeches as opinion-moving events in polarized media environmentGrowing disconnect between Republican leadership messaging and independent voter sentimentIncreased use of cultural moments (sports victories) by political figures for approval-seeking behaviorDeteriorating approval metrics among swing voters (independents) as predictor of midterm electoral challengesPolitical figures using sleep/fatigue as inadvertent messaging about work ethic and engagement
Topics
2024 Midterm Election StrategyPresidential Approval Ratings and PollingState of the Union Address EffectivenessDemocratic Party Response StrategyIndependent Voter SentimentPolitical Impeachment ThreatsOlympic Sports and Political Co-optationRepublican Party Loyalty DynamicsMedia Coverage of Political SpeechesCryptocurrency and Political Funding
Companies
Netflix
Jake Shane's podcast 'Therapist' is now available on Netflix as a streaming platform
NBC
Late Night with Seth Meyers airs weeknights on NBC at 12:35 AM / 11:35 Central
People
Donald Trump
Primary subject of political analysis regarding State of the Union address, polling, and approval ratings
Jake Shane
Comedian and podcast host interviewed about his Broadway debut and podcast 'Therapist'
Seth Meyers
Host of Late Night podcast providing political commentary and conducting interview
Marco Rubio
Referenced for infamous water bottle moment during 2014 SOTU response; now works for Trump
Joe Biden
Referenced for comparison of SOTU polling performance; forced out by own party after poor debate
Lindsey Graham
Referenced as example of Republican providing uncritical support regardless of Trump's actions
Jeffrey Epstein
Referenced regarding Trump's name appearing frequently in Epstein files
Ray Romano
Co-star in Jake Shane's Broadway show 'All Out'
Jenny Slate
Co-star in Jake Shane's Broadway show 'All Out'
Tate McRae
Early guest on Jake Shane's podcast 'Therapist' who helped drive initial growth
Renee Rapp
Early guest on Jake Shane's podcast 'Therapist' who helped drive initial growth
Quotes
"They'll find a reason to impeach me. They're not gonna have to work hard. Looking for a reason to impeach Trump is like looking for Waldo in a book called Oops, All Waldos."
Seth MeyersOpening segment
"No one gives a f***. Look, the whole thing, no matter the party, it's a stupid idea to begin with to let the person in charge of the nation give the state of the union speech."
Seth MeyersSOTU analysis
"Hey, man, you're not winning. They're winning. You didn't win. I didn't see you out there lacing up your skates."
Seth MeyersOlympic hockey team segment
"Well, I was on a plane. Okay. And someone I worked with texted me, and they said, please call me."
Jake ShaneBroadway debut story
"I would give it a 6.8 out of 8 tentacles. That's a lot of tentacles."
Jake ShaneOctopus rating segment
Full Transcript
During last night's State of the Union address, President Trump did not mention the Jeffrey Epstein files, which seems very rude, considering how much they mention him. These are bad manners. From 30 Rockefeller Plaza in New York City, please enjoy this podcast edition of Late Night with Seth Meyers. On today's show, Seth chats with comedian, influencer, and actor Jake Shane. But first, a closer look. Donald Trump threw a tantrum when Democrats refused to stand and clap for him at the State of the Union and tried to co-opt the men's hockey team's gold medal win. For more on this, it's time for a closer look. Trump's desperate to prevent Democrats from winning back Congress in November. not because he wants Congress to do anything, but because it would be bad for him. At a Republican policy retreat yesterday, President Trump issued this warning to his party. You gotta win the midterms, because if we don't win the midterms, it's just gonna be... I mean, they'll find a reason to impeach me. They'll find a reason? They're not gonna have to work hard. Looking for a reason to impeach Trump is like looking for Waldo in a book called Oops, All Waldos. It's going to be like a game of Whack-A-Mole, where the machine's broken and those moles are just sitting ducks and you get to just wail on them. You get so many tickets that the girl at the prize counter's like, um, you definitely cheated. And you're like, um, I definitely didn't. Now give me my giant minion. It wasn't supposed to be a picture of me. It was a hypothetical. I was pretending to be a kid. I got minion money. But, Donald, if you're wondering, if you're wondering, Donald, what they might find to impeach you over, how about the fact that your family's crypto company took half a billion dollars from an Abu Dhabi royal known as the spy sheik, or the fact that he let a drug kingpin who, quote, flooded America with cocaine out of jail, or the fact that you're terrorizing cities and rounding up children, or the fact that your name appears more often in the Epstein files than Eddie Murphy's name appears in the credits of the nutty professor. At this point, Trump's best defense will be that he didn't do any of this stuff And it was Don Jr. dressed as him in full clumps makeup They did it while my back was turned and they did it very fast They put the makeup on so quickly they didn't have time to finish the hand And I do I do apologize that we haven't had time to do a full deep dive On the fact that our president has what's known as Adam's family hand Because that bad boy definitely comes off at night And just runs around the Oval Office So Trump doesn't want to get impeached for a third, fourth, or fifth time Although I don't know what he's worried about He could show up at his own impeachment trial and scream That's right, I did it and I'll do it again And Republicans still wouldn't vote to convict Afterwards, Lindsey Graham would tell the press I saw a president today, he's learned his lesson He was very contrite But still, Trump's worried about breaking his own record for most impeachments, which is why the polling right now is so troubling for him. Trump's net approval rating. Look at all the pre-SOTUS polls, the State of the Union. Look at this. Okay, we're at this point. Look at that. Negative 27 points. My goodness gracious. Compare that to where he was in 2020, 2019, and 2018 in term one going into those State of the Unions. Minus 10. Way lower now. Minus 15. Way lower now. Minus 15. Way lower now. You don't have to be a mathematical genius to know that minus 27 points is considerably lower than minus 15 or minus 11. It is also the weakest that Donald Trump has ever been with independents. Look at this drop. We've been talking about it the past few months. At this point, a year ago, Donald Trump was at minus 13 points. Look at this. Minus 47 points among independents. Trump's numbers are so bad the pollsters are out of breath. And we are big fans of Harry Enten here. Love the energy. Love the enthusiasm. But the midterms are still months away. So could somebody please tell him to pace himself? He's like a guy at a pickup basketball game who immediately plays full court press. And you're like, dude, it's the Y. We all have knee braces on. So Trump's polling is brutal, which is why, according to the media, there was a lot riding on this State of the Union address. Now to the high stakes ahead of President Trump's State of the Union address on Tuesday. The high-stakes address. The high-stakes speech. His high-stakes message. The president's high-stakes State of the Union address. I think this is now a pretty high-stakes State of the Union. No, it's not. Between this show and SNL, I've been through over 20 of these State of the Union addresses, both Republicans and Democrats, and if there's one lesson I've learned, it's this. No one gives a f***. Look, the whole thing, no matter the party, it's a stupid idea to begin with to let the person in charge of the nation give the state of the union speech. What are they supposed to say? This place is a dump. Who's running this circus? It's like if I let my writers do their own employee evaluations. Everything I think of is funny, and I think noon is a perfectly fine time to come to work. No, that makes up for you using me in the Dave & Buster's No one remembers anything from a State of the Union address You're more likely to remember the person giving the response To the State of the Union address Like, I don't remember anything Barack Obama said In the State of the Union in 2013 But I definitely remember Marco Rubio Stopping in the middle of his response To grab a bottle of water Like, for some reason, he did it like he thought maybe the camera couldn't see him. Point is, that's all I remember from the State of the Union. You know why I remember it? Because Donald Trump reminded me. It's Rubio! That's what it is. Here's something fun we realized in the course of working on this segment. This week is the 10th anniversary of that clip. That why Criterion is re it on Blu Trump even does the audio commentary Rubio Even more fun the guy Trump made fun of works for him now And not only does Rubio work for Trump, he glazes Trump while Trump sleeps right next to him. This war started, it never would have happened if you'd been president. But this war is going on, and the president is trying to end it. Not because, listen, we got a million things to focus on in the world as a country, but he's the only leader in the world that can help end it. Does he know that? Because I don't think he can hear you. You don't have to lavish praise on him. He's asleep. Like, when my kids doze off in the middle of a bedtime book, I don't finish the chapter. I just get up and leave the room. I don't care how it ends up for Encyclopedia Brown. That dude's a dork. Also, Trump has since claimed he wasn't sleeping. That's just his listening face. That is not the face of a man who is listening intently to what's being said. That's the face of a man who's listening to a white noise machine after drinking a bottle of NyQuil. And even if he was listening, that's a rude face to make. Like, imagine if a guest on this show was telling a story and then it cut to me looking like that. Here, I'll show you. It's much friendlier here. So, like, is it much friendlier, appreciative? People like something, they want to show you how much they like it. I'm listening. By the way, Republicans actually think this kind of thing makes Trump look good. We got the hardest-working president ever. President Trump sleeps about two hours a day. Yeah, and those two hours are during meetings. Also, sleeping two hours a day is not a brag. It's a troubling diagnosis for a meth addict. And we know he's not using the time well. He's only sleeping two hours a day because he's up at ungodly hours posting AI videos of himself playing ice hockey or flying a plane that dumps poop on protesters or announcing he's going to send a great hospital boat to Greenland to take care of the many people who are sick, even though no one knows what the he's talking about. And by the way, they have universal health care. We don't. The U.S. sending a hospital boat to Greenland is like Ireland sending a pasta boat to Italy. No, thanks, we look good. Ah, you're gonna love our noodles. Very hard, I should never try to go from Irish to... I can't do both at once. They gotta put a lot of gap... It's an OK. So Republicans want you to think that if Trump just gives one really good speech He'll suddenly be super popular again But as you can see from the polling conducted after the speech That's not true Even if you poll a group of people who are mostly Republicans This is a poll of speech watchers They tend to be fans of the president So the polling universe here is about 13 points more Republican Than the overall population usually is 38% said they had a very positive reaction to the speech. Joe Biden, four years ago, 41% very positive reaction. Trump's State of the Union pulled worse than Biden's, but, I mean, that's not a fair comparison. Joe Biden was riding high. We all remember what happened immediately after Biden's speech. He crushed his debate with Trump, coasted to a second term, had his face out of Mount Rushmore, and won the Tour de France. Oh, I'm sorry, what's that? He was so unpopular, his own party forced him out? All right, well, I'm sure that's where the parallels end, right? Uh-oh! Now, in fact, Trump might want to go back to sleep when he sees the polling, which found that his State of the Union speech was the least popular this century. So it was the least popular. That's okay. I'm sure it was the most something. At one hour and 47 minutes, it was the longest State of the Union speech in history. So bad news, it sucked. Good news, it went on forever. I'm sorry, but if I'm going to sit through something that long, it better end up back at the Shire. So the polling was bad before the speech and bad after the speech. And on top of that, it was long and boring. Or if you're a Republican and you have to be nice to Trump. I think it was the best State of the Union speech that I've seen. President Trump gave a majestic speech tonight. I think this could have been the best speech he has ever delivered. Any historian who's writing about this presidency has to watch the speech tonight and read it carefully. Historians have to read it carefully. Trump didn't even read it carefully. Seriously, listen to this and tell me this isn't the first time he is seeing these words. Americans ventured out across the daunting and dangerous continent. We carved paths through an unforgiving wilderness, settled a boundless frontier, and tamed the beautiful but very, very dangerous Wild West. from empty marshes and wide-open plains. We raised up the world's greatest cities. Together, we mastered the world's mightiest industries and shattered histories, monstrous tyrannies. It's never a good sign when a guy's just, like, gripping the podium. that we as we go through this great nation. Such a smooth switch from one teleprompter to the other. And yet, despite the fact that it strained everyone's attention spans, Trump expected everyone, everyone to leap to their feet and applaud for him, including the Democrats, and his feelings were very hurt when they didn't. Look, nobody stands up. These people are crazy, I'm telling you. They're crazy. These people are crazy. They said electric boat batteries cause shark attacks. They called Hannibal Lecter a wonderful man. They sent a hospital boat to Greenland for no reason. Oh, I realize those are all things I did. I'm hearing myself now and realizing maybe I'm the crazy one. Let's see. Pull up a pic of my face and tell me if I look crazy. Oh, it's me! I the crazy one In fact Trump is so desperate for a win he tried to co the U men hockey team Olympic gold medal like he had something to do with it Our country is winning again In fact, we're winning so much that we really don't know what to do about it. People are asking me, please, please, please, Mr. President, we're winning too much. We can't take it anymore. We're not used to winning in our country. Until you came along, we're just always losing, but now we're winning too much. And I say, no, no, no. You're going to win again. You're going to win big. You're going to win bigger than ever. And to prove that point, to prove that point, here with us tonight is a group of winners who just made the entire nation proud. The men's gold medal Olympic hockey team. Hey, man, you're not winning. They're winning. You didn't win. I didn't see you out there lacing up your skates, taking slap shots with your weird death becomes her hand. Although maybe the hand showed up by itself and scored a goal. Taking credit like that, you sound like our cue card guy, Wally, when the Patriots win a game. Oh, Seth, we played great on Sunday. Oh, did you? How many yards did you get, Wally? How many yards is it from your couch to your kitchen? Trump used this speech the way he uses all of his speeches as a vehicle to attack anyone who doesn't bend the knee. And since that's a majority of the country, his polling is terrible. Republicans think this strategy is working, but that's only because... They're crazy. This has been... A Closer Look I guess a very funny comedian you know from his work on hacks and his wildly popular podcast therapist with Jake Shane, which is now available on Netflix. Last week he made his Broadway debut and is currently starring in All Out Comedy About Ambition, which is playing at the Neenerlander Theater. Please welcome to the show, Jake Shane! Please! Broadway debut, Jake, congratulations! Thank you, thank you! How do you find out that you're going to be making your Broadway debut? Well, I was on a plane. Okay. And someone I worked with texted me, and they said, please call me. And I said, okay, like, is everything okay? And they wouldn't tell me if everything was okay. And they were like, when do you land? I was like, 20 minutes. And then they kept checking in. And then I finally landed. And sorry, no one asked for all these details. And then she called me and was like, do you want to do a Broadway show with Ray Romano, Nicholas Brown, and Jenny Slate? And I fell to the damn floor. Yeah. It was really great. I would imagine there was a lot of anxiety on the plane, not knowing what the text was going to be, what the actual news was going to be. Yeah, there was anxiety for the first five minutes, and then after that, I was just like, well, there's always death. You know, like... And you mentioned an incredible cast. It must be very cool to work with them. And this is maybe something that was, like, destined, the idea that you would be on Broadway. I know, I know, I know. This was your email signature when you were 11. It's Jake, a soon-to-be-a-Broadway star Because I was auditioning for Thoroughly Modern Millie And I thought, like, if I marketed myself as a Broadway star Like, it would lead me to get the role more So I would email, like, the sixth-grade casting person Who probably, like, was just like, I don't care And I put that as my handle, and it worked It took a little bit of time, but it worked. Thoroughly Modern Millie. So you auditioned for Thoroughly Modern Millie. Yes, I was 11. You were 11. And we actually have some footage. Yes, yes. Is it from when I was from my mom's computer? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I was going to say talk us through your emotions, but I feel like your emotions are on full display, so maybe we'll just watch the clip. Yes, yes. Let's take a look at Jake here. Okay. Oh, my gosh. I'm nervous. I need that. I need to play Jimmy in Thoroughly Modern Millie, the school play. I just need to. It goes, everything today is thoroughly modern. Check your personality. Everything today makes yesterday slow. Better face reality. It's not insanity. So beat the drums, because here comes Thoroughly Modern Millie now. Great. There's also nothing funnier than auditioning for a musical where you immediately sing the title of the musical. Right, of course. Yeah, just like it's right out there, right out of the gate. So you want to let the casting people know, I know what show this is. Yes, please. I'm going to say the title a lot. Yes. That's so wonderful. Were you somebody who loved going to? I know you grew up in the city. Did you go to a lot of shows? My mom took me to a bunch of theater. I saw Hair Off-Broadway. I remember seeing Wicked for my birthday. I saw Fun Home when it was here. Has your mom seen the show here yet? Yeah, she saw opening night Must be so exciting, right? Yeah, she was so happy That's fantastic And she was, yeah, she was really Because I remember when I did Like, when I took my podcast on tour I got off stage and every time She was like, I hate this show And so, but then after this show She was like, you did so good So I know that she meant it Well that, I will say, I think it's very valuable to have a parent That also tells you when they don't like something you're in because then you can actually value the praises. Yes, exactly. Exactly. You have a lot coming up. You have a movie coming out of South by Southwest premiering there. Very exciting. Is it a show you star in and help produce? Yes, a show on Hulu written by Genevieve Aniello, directed by Paul Briganti, produced by Alec Berg and Amy Solomon. It's a good group. It's a good, good, good group. I'm really, really, really excited. That's fantastic. Will you stick around? I have a lot more to ask you. Please. I don't want to leave. Welcome back everybody We are here with Jake Shane You mentioned your podcast therapist Yes yes About two years old now is that right Yeah yeah two years almost to the date And do you feel, did you have any expectation as to how well this would be received when you kicked it off? No, but because my manager told me, he was like, when you do this, you cannot expect any type of growth for two years. Right. So I said, okay, that's fine. That's the expectation I went into it with. And then I was very, very, very lucky. My two friends, Tate McRae and Renee Rapp, came on the show. And it really just, like, kind of opened up the floodgates for other people to come on, and it's just been awesome races. It is very nice when you have friends who are a gateway to then other fantastic guests. I do, as far as origin stories go, yours is one of my favorites, which is you sort of first came into public, you know, knowledge for a lot of people because... What was it? Was it a, what would you say? You were trying out, it was past the puss. It was past that puss. Past that puss. And then TikTok wouldn't let me have that username, so it became OctopusLover8, because it's eight tentacles. Yeah. And I would rate and review Octopus. Now, this is the most niche thing. So you sort of recognize the market did not have an Octopus Raider. I think what it was is I had this internship at a record label, and I, they were like, okay, you need to finish school. Like you need to, cause I wanted to drop out and just work there. And they were like, no, please trust us. Like, please just finish school. And I was really, really bored my senior year and I was just getting high all the time. And I was like, what if I, what if I just like, I used to love eating octopus and we would always be like, puss, puss. And then so somehow I started doing skits, like reenactment skits. Well, that's the great thing about this story is that you would think if it was just an Octopus Raider site, like, there's a very low ceiling as to what that could become. But then, like, independently, I guess you started interacting with the people who liked it, and they had this idea. They would sort of pitch you, what, like, ideas for skits? So, yeah, I was like, I had 60,000 followers at the time, and I was, like, celebrating 60,000 followers, and I saw Julia Fox was doing this thing where she was like, comment something you want me to act out, and I'll act it out. So I was like, I'll do the same thing. And basically, the one that started it off was I was Bill Clinton denying his affair with Monica Lewinsky. And I was Googling how to speak like him. And then I was just like, screw it. I'm just going to deliver it kind of as Jake. Because I was also, again, really high. So that one did well. And then I was like, okay, well, this John Hancock scenario was funny. Let me do this one as if it was me and my friends. And then that took off, and I just kept doing them and doing them and doing them and doing them. And then I was an assistant to this guy named Zach, and now he manages me. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. Real quick, for anybody who wants to know, this is the first time I became aware of you. It was very, very funny. This is you as John. This is you as somebody right after. This is, okay, so this is John Hancock, like, infamously signed the Declaration of Independence. Very, very largely. Like, he wrote his name very big, and so I was the person that came after. Yeah, so let's take a look. John. James, James, James. James, James. You know what? My favorite thing about that is I've never, I've always obviously pictured them in their powdered wigs, but I've never pictured them doing this. Oh, this? Yeah, people always call me out on doing this. I always do it. I have no hair to do it with, but I don't know. You had a rating system. I have a very good rating system. It's out of eight tentacles. Yeah. And yeah, because they have eight tentacles So you're kind of an expert on octopus Octopi Octopi, sorry But when I'm, yeah, when I get high I crave like very salty, savory foods Yeah Yeah I like, like if I was like your roommate at college And I was like, we're stoned I'm like, should I get some Funyuns? And you're like, or do we do octopus? Well, yes Yeah, it just, I don't know It's like, okay, so I call it the chicken of the sea because it's very, like, um... And I have this system. It's the cot system. We're going to... Do you mind? We do have Alvaro across the street. We ordered some Octopus. Do you mind if we bring it up? Please, because I have a follow-up with you. Thank you. We would love that. But we have to do the whole thing. We have to... I mean, of course we're going to do the whole thing. This is fantastic. This is beautiful. And by the way... I'm going to hate this. I'm telling you, right? You're going to hate it? What? Why? Because I can just... Trust me. So I'll tell you why immediately. Okay. So you did no take it out. You have to okay So it's ready. It's by the way. Can I just say lizard was a lot more cool? Okay We have to cheer his eyes and you have to say pass that push. Okay ready. Yep Okay, so I lied. I actually really like this And I'll tell you why I thought I wasn't gonna. Okay. Sometimes octopus, when it looks boiled, can have a very, like, chewy texture to it. This is actually quite tender. Yeah. Very salty. I can taste the capers, which I appreciate. And I like the olive oil touch. I would give it a 6.8 out of 8 tentacles. That's a lot. That's a lot of tentacles. Congratulations. I mean, I think they'll obviously... They're obviously going to want to get that on the website. Hey, congrats on your Broadway debut. Thank you. Thank you. So good to meet you. Thanks for meeting you. You guys, this is Jake Sage. Thank you. All out. 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