You say you also had reports on bodies, on alien bodies? Yeah, that came from Walter Reed. It's one of the most popular episodes we ever did, the clips from Kill Corso. Yeah, that's right, because you did a number of interviews with him and we chose clips of his testimony from one set of interviews, but you had a whole another huge interview that the public hasn't seen before. So many of the things that Corso talked about are exactly right at the heart of the questions that people are asking today. Here's a... This is a cross that was left on the floor. The actual picture of it. With a chapel. Now you had mentioned also that NSA was picking up signals from space and we did that. Oh yeah, they were saying they were intelligent. The signal was given out by an intelligent source. You couldn't identify the source or break the code, no? How far back was that? Oh, this was in the 50s. Not at the White House. NSA was picking up signals from space that appeared to be from an intelligent source. But did they specifically say it was extraterrestrial? Oh yeah. This is Weaponized. I'm George Dapp, hunkered down in the Las Vegas UFO bunker, joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell who's probably lounging in a luxurious Southern California mansion. Jeremy, how's it going? Pretty good, man. Trying to get some rest. Seems like I just saw you. You know, seems like we just saw each other. That's right, man. I hear that we were in Vegas together and you know what happens when we're in Vegas together. Let's not tell anybody about it. You know, suspense is kind of building, excitement building right now as we await and anticipate a new public hearing to be held by a congressional committee in early September. Jeremy, what can you tell our audience about where things stand, how far along the preparations are? Yeah, so, you know, there have been some public announcements about the upcoming congressional hearing and you know, it's confirmed it is the ninth. I'm not saying anything that's not already public. So September 9th, you're going to have a new hearing. It was also confirmed that there's at least three confirmed witnesses. And I can say that that is fact. You know, there maybe that will be it. Maybe there will be more. I think a lot of it is still being kind of finalized and debated. Now, the nature of those witnesses, I did hear people, you know, make some comments in public about it. I'm not exactly sure that's going to end up being accurate. This is kind of like a moving target. I know we're getting closer. So they're kind of making their final decisions, but it's going to shape up to be an awesome hearing because everybody they had to select from had something unique to contribute. So, yeah, that's all I can really say at this time. Just everybody's working hard on it and I'm very optimistic and it'll happen on the night. You know, we both know how UFO world operates. I think it seems doubtful that anyone in UFO world will be happy no matter who is chosen to testify. Or what they might say. But I think that, you know, they're always going to demand more. We want to know more and we want to know it now. Understandable. I think the hearing in itself is a really big deal. And the fact that members of Congress continue to push the ball down the field, trying to get to the bottom of the stories that we've all heard for years, that they've heard for years about crash retrievals and reverse engineering and programs that largely escape oversight by Congress, carried out in ways that leave even Congress in the dark. So having a hearing to dig into cases, experiences, encounters, glimpses of secret programs or unknown technology are a big deal. And even if we don't have, you know, an actual technician who's personally working on taking a part of flying saucer or who's managing the bodies or the biologics, if you want to call them that, the hearing itself is a big deal. Would you agree? Yeah, on record congressional testimony is a big deal. And it takes a lot for people to be able to do that, especially if they're current service members. There's extra steps that have to occur. But just anybody going up and willing to do that, there's an entire process that gets to that point. Not just vetting, but also just getting people to that point where they can logistically do that. There are, of course, a lot of briefings and hearings that people don't get to publicly see. And this is something I've always been fighting against, but there's a certain limit to it. You know, people might not ever really find out how much testimony has been given in the classified setting behind closed doors. I love it when they tell when they tell that it's been done, but it leaves people unsatisfied. They want to hear it too. And I guess just some of the information is so crosswired with national security issues that a lot of those are just done, you know, in skiffs and behind closed doors. And sometimes people in the skiffs, they're not even fully able with their clearances to hear that the whole shebang. So that's the dance, ma'am. What we can get public on historic record. Remember, we're coming from a dry spell of over 50 years of not having UFO hearings. So this is a big deal. And I am very optimistic. So, yeah, let's just see where it goes from there. I will say the thing that I've been fighting for the most right now is to make sure to have inclusion of at least a whistleblower and to go with witnesses, right? And that's been an uphill battle. I still don't know. I still don't know where that's going to land. You know, a lot of people have been asking, you know, is Matthew Brown going to testify? Well, Matthew Brown is willing to testify. I don't know if he's going to be selected or not at this time. That's the truth. But he did speak a little bit today. I just got a notification on my ex. I've been encouraging him as well as a lot of other people have. Hey, man, a lot of people want to know how you're doing. They also want to know a little bit more about what it feels like to be a whistleblower, to go through that process. And then he's done it. So he's created, I guess it's a sub stack. He posted it on his ex account, which is son of Abralem and on our A, B, R, A, M, E, L, I, N. So S, U, N of the word. And he will put it on the screen or something. And then his sub stack is the same name or the same word plus sub stack dot com. So people should go read that because he talks about what it's like to come forward as a UAP whistleblower. And I suspect we're going to hear a lot more from him as people have been asking for. You know, these days, UFO folks, we're among them. We want all the information. People on social media platforms will say every single day, come on whistleblowers, you got to come forward. Tell us what you know. Spill the beans. There's no way they would dare to prosecute you. Easy for people to say as they sit at their, in their home, in their basement, typing on a, you know, word processor or whatever. Go ahead and risk everything, risk your life. Easy for them to say it's a different matter for whistleblowers themselves. They got to worry about, can I be prosecuted? I'm not sure if they would be prosecuted, but they have to think about it. It's their ass that could land in prison, unlike the people at home urging them forward, or they got to worry about their livelihoods. They work and classify programs, their whole general careers that having a security clearance is how they provide for their families. That's that's that's out the window. You go before Congress and spill some beans. You're not going to work in classified programs ever again. And then there are all the other things that come along with it, the death threats, the people who speak out, people like Dave Grush, who get slimed, dirty information about them gets leaked and roughs them up. There are break-ins in people's homes. There are all kinds of really bad things, extra legal things that happen to people who try to become whistleblowers or witnesses. So it's really easy to say, go ahead and do it. Risk your lives and your career and testify because we want to know. Well, one of the most famous, most high-ranking whistleblowers of all time is someone that we covered in the early days of weaponized and that I have covered for a couple of decades. And his name is Colonel Phil Corso. He didn't have to go through dops or to get approval. As far as I know, to get approval for what he revealed, he didn't have to dodge arrow and its influence and trying to stifle witnesses and trying to discredit witnesses and cases. He just let it all out. You had told me that basically that's one of the most popular episodes we ever did. The clips from Phil Corso. Yeah, that's right. Because you did a number of interviews with him and we chose clips of his testimony from one set of interviews. But you had a whole nother huge interview that the public hasn't seen before. And I think it's important because he talks about the craft, the bodies that they knew it was extraterrestrial. They talked about the dissemination of the reverse engineering technology in the industry. I mean, all the stuff that people find most fascinating. That's why we're talking about this today because you're going to be able to show people a bunch of those clips that have never been out in public. That's part of why we do weaponized. So we can put out stuff people haven't seen before that's important. So many of the things that Corso talked about are exactly right at the heart of the questions that people are asking today. And I'll set the stage for who he was for those who don't know. Back in 1997, it was the 50th anniversary of the Roswell crash. Corso released a tell all book the day after Roswell, bestseller in which he claimed that he'd been personally involved in handling the Roswell wreckage. He helped distribute it to private industry and to national labs to see if they could in essence reverse engineer the tech and then duplicate it. Didn't tell them it's from a UFO crash. He implied, I think that it was from a Russian vehicle and asked them to see what they could make of it. You know, those same kind of claims are being made today. And my involvement with Colonel Corso started five years before anyone in a UFO world ever heard his name. There was a journalist named Mark Sotter working in Seattle who we knew each other and we had both been covering issues related to prisoners of war that had been left behind in Vietnam. Mark Sotter gets in touch with Corso, who had made these claims in years in previous years, not only that America abandoned some of its soldiers in Vietnam, but did the same thing in Korea. He was ridiculed for this. People said he was a liar. It wasn't true. He went before Congress and testified and turned out Colonel Corso was right. Even though many people dismissed him as a cuckoo or a liar. They did the same with him on UFO matters. So as Mark Sotter is talking to Corso about POWs, Corso just happens to mention his work on UFOs and his familiarity with the Roswell crash. Mark calls me up, puts me in touch with Corso and we started a conversation that lasted for a couple of years. At one point, as I think I told you, I had met him in 1992. At one point he asked me to write his book. What became this huge bestseller that came out in 97. And I agreed to do it, but was later kind of squeezed out of it by a publisher. Four years later, NIDS gets created, the National Institute for Discovery Science, Robert Bigelow's UFO think tank. In essence, he put together this amazing group of people, well known names in the UFO field in science and technology, academics, former intelligence folks put them together. And they were looking for things to do. For a while, a couple of months, I was a consultant to them and I came up with the idea. Maybe you want to talk to Corso. At that point, I hadn't talked to him in more than a year. I reached out to him and asked if he'd be willing to meet a group of people from NIDS. He said yes. So Bigelow gave us his jet. We jumped on a plane with John Alexander and I left for Las Vegas and picked up how put off in Austin. And on we went to Florida where Corso lived. Get to Florida and he starts talking. His family, in particular, his son was very nervous about him saying too much before the book came out a year later. So we slipped out of the house. We went into Corso's Winnebago and RBSM kind and started talking. And I was the cameraman. You'll see how bad the photography is in this, but I have to admit to being the cameraman and I recorded every bit I could. We had a subsequent meeting with Corso, but I'll just leave it at that. This is part of what he told us in that amazing conversation. Hey there, weaponized listeners. When I put on the right clothing, it feels like armor. A thoughtfully built wardrobe comes down to pieces that mix well and last. That's where Quince shines. Premium fabrics, considered design and everyday essentials. The feel effortless to wear and dependable, even as the seasons change or the skies fill with things we can't explain. Here's what I can tell you. And some of it is classified. Quince has the everyday essentials I actually reach for. 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Go to Q U I N C E dot com slash weaponized for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince dot com slash weaponized. See you on the next episode. The following is part two of the Lost Tapes interview with Colonel Phillip J. Corso. This is all the white sand there is a white sand sand here. This is Rick Canyon or my headquarters was. This is a cross that was left on the floor. The actual picture of it with a chapel. And what's the right can is right there. Where that X is. This is trendy site. My debris area was over in this area. Finance that particular thing. It was our money. But did they specifically say it was a extraterrestrial? Oh, yeah. What year was it in the 47 48 time frame? When I did the topsy, it was in the 50s, early 50s. No, later 50s, later 50s. That's another report. You had said that that the material had sat in files for like 13 years and then you looked at it. I mean, it was nothing done with that time period or nothing as far as I know. There was these reports in there. See, I crowned this material out 1960. I started scrounging out. You hadn't you weren't really familiar with it before then. Oh, no, I didn't do this at the White House. The White House. I mean, I got it was raw information on this particular subject because the White House, for example, I was in charge of the policy group on giving aid to Turkey. I had to fall in the Freedom Corps. I don't know if you know what that means, what that is. President Eisenhower gave me a hand to me that personally and said, get this going. What it was, there was a, we were going to take all the foreign groups like a labor service groups in Germany and put them in uniform of their own country, their own military, their own countries. And arm them and give them their own flags and everything in Germany. And Kenan and Bolin killed it. But anyway, Eisenhower gave me that. They said that they, the president got sick. I went to Colorado someplace and he got that, had that heart attack and they convinced the Secretary of Defense and some of the people that Eisenhower didn't want it. Later, Eisenhower told Charles Kirsten, the congressman that he thought that was a great thing. And they lied. And the thing of the Secretary of Defense just sat on it. Nothing ever happened. Stalled himself, gave orders to give him the Roswell material. We knew that. I never gave any, discussed with CIA, only one man at CIA. You're in here named Frank Hand. He was las on between CIA, the White House and Department of Defense. A Lurian guy. You discussed it with him? Yeah, he was a good friend of mine. Now, but he and I sparred. He used to sit at the White House, you know, on some of the group, working groups. Because he was CIA, we sparred for about eight or nine months before we became friends. We didn't trust each other. I was military and he was CIA. He was getting paid by CIA because he was a liaison. When we say it disappeared, is it something that we as humans may disappear or something else? No, I suspect that they made it disappear. I see, I have to explain this to you. Now, this is a drawn out thing. When I, the, the crash at St. Augustine and there, when I looked into that, my radar is, we're picking up some, some things up, that mysterious thing out there. Well, I'd say about the church after. Here's the White Sands area. The White Sands missile range is a low gravity area. There's supposed to be a last almost gap up through there in the earth's magnetic fields. My headquarters was right here. Here's the White Sands missile range. This was my headquarters at Red Canyon. This is Trinity. All right. It was a low gravity area. You see the block wall makes a zero up through here. And Goddard used this. Los Alamos was not set up by actually, and Juan Braun knew this and so did Obert. That's a, for one of a better name, it's a low gravity area. And missiles can disappear in these areas. I discussed this with Robert Smith. And once a month, I'd send out trucks on a scavenger hunt. They got parts of our cast, parts of missiles that look good to him, bring them back. And we would. This boy told me that in one particular case, when the missile had disappeared in his gate, and then there was another time there was an explosion to see because what we do here's where we operate. I don't know if you know the way Nike Ajax operates and Nike. It doesn't, we don't fire these as slant range. They fire up this way and then they dive. The moment the big radar locked on a plane, it would transfer to the acquisition radar. The one looked like a tub. The acquisition radar, now one of the target track radar would be locked on the missile, standing up on this launcher. The aqua, the other radar would lock on the target, pencil beam. That would lock on the target. The acquisition radar would transfer it automatically in a computer to the, then the boy would put that in a gate. And when our missile would dive in, it was supposed to get in the gate. That's when the explosion. There was a little computer would, and I trained my boys, I told them now, man, the moment that missile take off, I want you to drop your hands because they could adjust with a little down, drop your hand, let the computer do it. I made the first part for a missile shoot. It worked. Don't try to put any human that computer is better than you are. And it, and it worked. But then there was some strange things that happened. He told me in one particular case, they found one of the missiles and all the holes where the electric screws had been taken out. The, the, uh, the engine looked like it had been taken apart by hand. Now, strange thing happened. I saw a report on Bokhundur, Bokhundur in Russia. The UFOs came over the, the, the air drum and the next day they found a tower. Was a, fell apart. All the rivets and everything fell out of the holes. They were all clean. Now this happened to me at, at Red Canyon. The parts that we picked up were clean like somebody had taken them apart. And not, there was no jagged edges on it like it had been ripped. Now, what timeframe are we talking about? I'm talking about 57, 57, 58. Okay. So, uh, and my theory is now you remember, Braswell said that there was a terrific thunderstorm and it kept lightning and lightning and lightning. I discussed with Wilbur Smith, it looked like this build up a pillar. And when the UFO came through, one of them must have run into and they found that. That's the one was the Braswell Ranch all the parts. And the other one, I think it came through the timeframe and one was a little bit ahead of the other and they hit. But I mean, do you think the program ended when you left it or, or was there some kind of continuation? I think it ended. Remember, it took the driving force of Trudeau behind it. As I told you, when I wrote the proposals, I discussed on what he did with it. I don't know. Some of it became, I know, became, went to industry. Who he passed it to, who he discussed it with. I don't know. You don't go, I said, Jenna, who'd you talk to? I mean, that's just like asking the president, I thought, what would you do? Talk to, who'd you tell? You don't ask, I don't ask a lieutenant general of that. You had mentioned, for example, the chip. It went to Bell Laboratories and later to Rockwell. Yes. Yes, I knew that. I mean, you gave it, you ended over to Bell? No, I didn't have anything in the industry. That wasn't my job. I had those proposals. There was set up in R&D to do that type of business. They would follow up the proposals and the thing. And then they would call me, no, I would go visit. I would go visit. I would go visit. And they would call me, no, I would go visit the production models. Then I would call an industry to do. Well, how did the, the, was it your charge chip and your file that ended up at Bell? Let's say my proposal, Trudeau would get it. And then it would be written in terms of R&D without my comments. And that would go to Bell Dive. We had an actual, there was 3,000 people in R&D. Right. They had sections that did exactly that. That wasn't my job to do that. But I'm, but what I'm trying to trace back to is did Bell Labs actually get a charge chip and wonder where? Yeah, they did. They did. Now that, I knew a thing like that. But how did that happen? You know, how it ended up in there? Well, the general, the general sent it out as an assist. And they thought we stole it from the Russians. So, we didn't say one thing, anything about it. Well, I didn't think as they went to it. So, what you did was to write what we call a request for proposal. I'd write the proposal. Okay. The comments. It was, you wrote the proposal or did you write the request for a proposal, something that they would then respond to? But putting out enough information to steer them. No, I would write only a proposal on all the facts with the heading on and hand it to the general. Okay. He would hand it to other people to put in the form to go to industry. Okay. That was his, that wasn't my job. I, I wouldn't go that far. But then I would get instructions on him to follow things up, which I would go. Like I went to the lab on the night view lane and I'd go to Rockwell, TRW and places like that on his instructions now. You mentioned that there was a fabric found that was, that couldn't be x-rayed through? No, not it couldn't be x-rayed through. It couldn't cut it. Well, it couldn't cut it. Where did that come from? From the UFO thing. So that was on the bodies or something? No, no, it was separate. Like debris. Mm-mm. Now you had mentioned also that NSA was picking up signals from space and did they? Oh yeah, they were saying they were intelligent signals given out by an intelligent source. They couldn't identify the source or break the code though. How far back was that? Oh, this was in the 50s. Not at the White House. I used to get NSA intercepts. Congressman, senators calling overseas. I would actually get those. I had access to those at the White House. They would actually send them to me. I had their clearance too, you know. Yeah, well man, so look, that, when I was watching that for the first time, that's testimony. That's visual recorded testimony. It's so much of what, you know, Lazar said back in the day. We now have a different way to look at it. And so much of what Corso said back in the day, we now have a different way to look at it. So it's really cool that you got that, you know, whistleblower or witness testimony on camera and can now finally share some of that publicly. It was great, man. You know, the NIDS guys, Hal and John, they didn't quite know what to make of it. Holy cow, is this for real? But they were impressed. And if they could confirm some or part of what he had said, it would be a really big deal. So John Alexander, I remember, went to DC and spent a couple of days over there going through archives. And then we asked Corso, would he be willing to come out to Las Vegas and tell the same story to a slightly different audience? Meaning, again, Hal Putoff, but also with Dr. Jacques Valet and with Robert Bigelow and me in the room. Over at the NIDS headquarters and he said, yes. So, you know, what happened was John Alexander had gone to DC to check into the records and sure enough, Colonel Corso really did work at all the places where he said he worked. And he really would have been in a position to handle Roswell type wreckage, physically handle that stuff. If in fact that wreckage was under the program ran by a guy named General Arthur Trudeau. It all looked like the story he was telling as fantastic as it was, was true. Now, in the year since then, there have been a lot of criticism, of course, of for stretching it a little bit and inflating the roles that he had claims that he has made about how that alien technology from the Roswell crash was what inspired and led to all kinds of amazing technology now. Fiber optics, for example, Mike Vision goggles, for example, and other things. He comes out to Las Vegas. He goes through several hours of grilling by Jacques and Hal and Bigelow and I think maybe Colin Keller was there as well. And by me. And again, the camera work is not all that great. It's my handiwork, but it was great just to get it on camera. And then we had a third interview after he came to Las Vegas the following year when his book came out, but we'll have that for another time. Yeah, I mean, the thing that really strikes me is he's talking about back then when that kind of the testimony is pretty pure. He's talking about bodies and he says extraterrestrial bodies, alien bodies, reverse engineering. These are the things that people are most interested in right now. You know, we're getting kind of spoiled. We hear all these people come forward and talk about what it is that they've encountered, but he's talking about the biologics, the beings. You say you also had reports on bodies, on alien bodies? Yeah, that came from Walter Reed. Were they pretty? I mean, they definitely said not that these were genetic humans or something. Here's what the report, the thing that I was mostly interested in in the report was the two lobes in the brain. There are two lobes there. And this movie showed part of that. They didn't know what they had though. You know, some of the things that he said that really stuck out to me is he confirmed with his words that the Roswell incident was considered extraterrestrial. Because we've always debated, you know, where are these from? But within our militia and our government, that was his assessment of their assessment is that it was extraterrestrial in origin. Now, he's going through all of this, I think, 13 years after these files were kind of written. I don't know, he said something about that. But the story remains consistent that there was some sort of transfer and handling of these materials at a high level within the military, where I think you said that they were transported to Bell Labs and Rockwell. Is that correct? There's a couple of places where it went. Bell Labs for sure. And then there was off the top of my head. I can't remember the other ones. But he said that they arranged for that to happen, which would make sense. I mean, that would be probably how you would handle it. Because the program he was part of was pretty small. It was only a couple of guys, he was number two in it. They didn't have the personnel to take that stuff apart and figure out what it could do and what we could be able to build from it. So, yeah, they shipped it out. We're very vague about where it came from. It implied that it must be from some Russian super secret crash retrieval program. And off they went to the races. Now, I know that a lot of people don't believe that we made technological breakthroughs based on Roswell stuff. But I think it could have actually been used to inspire those scientists and technicians back then to figure out what it might be used for. The other thing that's remarkable about Corso is he talks about, there were two vehicles that came down to Roswell. San Augustine is what he calls that crash. And then in his discussion, he mentions Wilbert Smith. That was the leading Canadian scientist looking at UFOs who had referred to being in touch with Americans who knew about this top secret program. The idea that that Roswell tech sat in file cabinets for 13 years and nobody did anything with it drives you crazy, doesn't it? And then Corso talking about the bodies, the biologics, I guess is the current term, how they were handled and moved around. In addition, in the first interview that we aired on Weaponized, he talked about meeting an alien, a live one during his time at White Sands, which is a pretty intriguing story all of its own. Yeah, and in this section, he talks a little bit about something we've heard about, which is when there's manipulation of like after you deploy some artillery or something like that. We heard about this. Commander Fravor relate a story, I believe on the Rogan podcast, where there was an ICBM shell or something that they had deployed in it. And there was a team that went in a helicopter and tried to pick it up out of the water, the shell or the casing of the missile. And it was sucked down by some spherical or disk shaped object that kind of became surfacing. And it's like as if it took part of our machinery. Well, Corso also talks about a White Sands missile range, this kind of weird thing, how they had shot these artillery or something like that. And then all these screws had been perfectly taken out of them. It was just this offhand story he was telling. But then he also said that it happened at Baikoury, Russia, I think Baikoury, Russia, and that they had similar accounts of kind of dismemberment of these warheads or missiles, which is something you've heard a lot about, which is that there's some interference with our military programs. Yeah, very much as consistent with the work that Robert Hastings has done about UFOs and nukes, the visitors, these craft, wherever they're from, interfering with, demonstrating their mastery of our most powerful military technology. Nuclear missiles are disabled, taken offline. Sometimes as in the Russia example that I've investigated before, they've been fired up and are out of the control of the Russian military. It's pretty spooky stuff. He talked about Nike Ajax missiles. That was the name of the missiles that he was involved with testing there at the White Sands Proving Ground. And again, whoever they are, they're making a point. We can take these apart in unique ways and they don't impress us all that much. One of the weirdest things he said towards the end was that of the clips that I was just recently looking at today, I think it'll be in the episode, he said something about how the NSA was picking up signals from space that appeared to be from an intelligence source, but the code could not be broken. Can you imagine that if that is true, if that was true, and remains true? And they told the public about that? That would have been incredible. I don't know if you ever told you more about that part of his story. Not that I can recall. What I do recall is what he said about CIA though. And I think you picked up some of that in these clips that we're showing in this episode. There were other clips that we've made public before. And Corso makes it clear in his book, he did not trust the CIA. He felt that they were a rogue agency back then and he battled them for pretty much the entirety of his military career. He must have had his reasons, I guess. Yeah, he probably had his reasons. Well, listen, man, I'm glad you got this footage out. I think it's going to be a good time for it because we are going to see people testified to the UAP and UFO reality when it comes up on the 9th of September. I don't know what the final picks are going to be and I couldn't tell you if I did at this time. It's not my position. It's Congress's. I don't know when they're going to announce that, but I'm bursting at the seams excited. So let's just see how that goes. But thanks so much, George. Thanks, Jeremy. I'm guessing you're going to be there for this hearing, right? Oh, you know I'm going to sit there, you know, looking all angry and stuff. I got a smile this time. Yeah, it'll be the birth of a thousand memes, a thousand Jeremy. Oh, God, are we? Yeah, yeah, probably. Talk to you soon. All right.
