The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya

IMHO's Darby and Alexis Summon Charcuterie Spirits with Trixie

63 min
May 12, 202619 days ago
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Summary

Trixie and Katya host IMHO's Darby Lynn Cartwright and Alexis P. Bevel for an extended conversation about their drag careers in Chicago, live singing performances, touring experiences, and personal stories spanning their 14+ year friendship. The episode covers drag competition history, Midwest drag culture, and the evolution of their collaborative comedy show.

Insights
  • Live singing in drag performances was driven by performer insecurity about lip-syncing ability rather than artistic superiority, creating a differentiated niche that later proved unnecessary
  • Chicago's drag scene in the 2000s-2010s functioned as a talent pipeline to RuPaul's Drag Race, with multiple queens from the same era achieving mainstream success consecutively
  • Special education teaching experience directly translates to audience management in drag performance—requiring multiple communication strategies for unpredictable drunk audiences
  • Midwest drag culture emphasizes community resilience and queer joy as coping mechanisms, particularly evident in how performers responded to tragedy (Pulse nightclub shooting)
  • Collaborative performance partnerships require intentional separation of personal and professional time to maintain creative freshness and avoid creative burnout
Trends
Drag performance moving from bar-based local scenes to touring theatrical productions with structured setlists and production graphicsIncreased professionalization of drag comedy with pre-planned material, merchandise, and multi-platform content (podcasts, YouTube, live shows)Shift from talc-based makeup formulations to alternative products, impacting drag makeup longevity and performance qualityTrans visibility and acceptance in drag comedy spaces, with trans performers gaining platforms and collaborative opportunitiesMidwest drag scene's cultural significance as training ground for nationally-recognized performers, creating regional pride and tourismMental health awareness among drag performers, with SSRI usage and therapy becoming normalized discussion topicsDrag performers diversifying income through hand-sewing costumes, podcast production, and touring rather than relying solely on bar performances
Topics
Chicago drag scene history and evolution (2000s-2010s)Live singing vs. lip-syncing in drag performanceRuPaul's Drag Race impact on regional drag communitiesMakeup formulation changes (talc removal)Drag competition culture (Miss Roscoe's, Spin Nightclub)Midwest Pride events and festival cultureSpecial education teaching and audience managementTrans identity and drag performanceCollaborative comedy partnerships and creative dynamicsTouring logistics and venue experiencesMental health and SSRI usage in entertainmentCostume design and hand-sewing techniquesPodcast production and content creationQueer community resilience and trauma responseBerlin nightclub (Chicago) and drag venue culture
Companies
RuPaul's Drag Race
Multiple Chicago drag queens from the same era competed on the show, creating a pipeline effect from local scene to m...
Roscoe's Tavern
Chicago drag venue where hosts competed in Miss Roscoe's competition and performed regularly during their early careers
Hydrate
Chicago drag bar where hosts performed early shows including 'Snow White and the Seven Drag Queens' production
Berlin
Chicago nightclub with dedicated drag dressing room facilities that recently reopened under new management
Spin Nightclub
Chicago venue where hosts competed in drag competitions during the mid-2000s era
Party City
Retail location on Western Avenue in Chicago where drag performers shopped for costume and makeup supplies
Marshalls
Retail store where one host purchased a shirt with a brown stain she believed was feces
Build-A-Bear Workshop
Mentioned as employer of a character in discussion about post-prison employment opportunities
Taco Bell
Fast food chain discussed for Crunchwrap Supreme recipe recreation and as hypothetical first destination after prison...
McDonald's
Mentioned in context of Mexican pizza menu items and as first stop for released prisoners
MAC Cosmetics
Makeup retailer where one host worked at the MAC counter before being fired
Nigels
Makeup store where hosts worked for two years, discussed in context of talc removal from cosmetic products
Bell House
Brooklyn venue where hosts performed during New York tour
Netflix
Streaming platform discussed in context of casting high schoolers with adult actors
Squarespace
Website builder platform featured in sponsored ad read about creating e-commerce sites
Yahoo Mail
Email service with integrated task planning features featured in sponsored ad read
Ro
Telehealth platform offering GLP-1 medications featured in sponsored ad read
Bath & Body Works
Home fragrance retailer featured in sponsored ad read about White Barn Neutrals Collection
Charlie Bigham's
Food brand featuring pan-fried noodle products featured in sponsored ad read
Fireball
Cinnamon whiskey brand that sponsored Chicago drag shows in the 2000s-2010s era
People
Darby Lynn Cartwright
Guest on the podcast discussing 14+ year drag career in Chicago and collaborative comedy partnership
Alexis P. Bevel
Guest discussing drag career, live singing performances, and collaborative show with Darby
Trixie Mattel
Host of the podcast episode, discussing guests' careers and shared drag history
Katya Zamolodchikova
Co-host mentioned as hospitalized during episode recording; subject of well-wishes and Ouija board references
Gia Gunn
Chicago drag queen who won Miss Roscoe's competition in 2004, mentioned as fierce competitor and performer
Kim Chi
Chicago drag queen from same era, known for elaborate headpieces and performances at Hydrate basement
Vixen
Chicago drag queen from same era who competed on RuPaul's Drag Race
Pearl
Chicago drag queen from same era mentioned as part of the drag scene development
Shea Couleé
Chicago drag queen from same era who competed on RuPaul's Drag Race
Nisha Lopez
Chicago drag queen who competed on RuPaul's Drag Race Season 6
Detox
Drag performer from Florida who appeared at Milwaukee Pride and recused herself after Pulse nightclub shooting
Lana Jarre
Young New York drag performer who performed cartwheel on Alexis's request and ripped pants
Tammy Brown
Drag performer who reached out to appear on The Bald and the Beautiful podcast
Courtney Act
Performer who inspired Alexis to pursue live singing in drag performances
Curtis
Darby's husband who created short film 'Kiss' and appeared in Infinity commercial
Kelly Mantel
Character/performer who serves as manager figure for Trixie and Katya's live events
Auntie Chan
Drag performer adopted by Kamora Hall, described as fierce and talented
Kamora Hall
Chicago drag queen who defeated Darby in Spin Nightclub competition, now mentoring Auntie Chan
Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Featured in 'Life After Lockup' reality show discussed as example of authentic reality television
Doja Cat
Mentioned as fan of Taco Bell Mexican pizza
Quotes
"I'm allergic to talc. We've been recording. I'm allergic to talc."
Trixie MattelEarly in episode
"You're allergic to it. Fine, lady."
Katya Zamolodchikova (referenced)Early discussion
"I wouldn't say Katya is patient. I wouldn't say she loves discomfort or inconvenience."
Trixie MattelMid-episode
"The power of the Midwest compels us."
Darby Lynn CartwrightClosing segment
"Together, this is, hey, you're here. Yeah. Well, how long have you guys worked together now?"
Alexis P. BevelClosing discussion
Full Transcript
Hi, it's Trixie and I'm here with the I am H.O. In my homosexual opinion girls. Would you like to say who you are? Oh my God, hi, I'm Darby and that's another one. I'm Alexis. We're here promoting the fact that we're here. It's so good to see you again. Oh my God, we have tea from back in the day. We have tea from today, tea from yesterday. We have hospital stories. We have live show set stories and we're gonna give it all. Wow. ["I'm Screeching Out the Door"] Wait a minute, I'm screeching. Is this yours? Are you for real right now? Are you for real right now? I'm allergic to everything. Okay. So what is this, your lip gloss? It has to be for now. I'm trying, okay. I'm allergic to talc. I'm allergic to talc. Oh, talc is in everything. Right. So why don't we start in the microphone? Are we recording? Oh, we've been recording. We've been recording. I'm allergic to talc. We've been recording. Where's my camera? I'm allergic to talc. I'm gonna change my drag name to talc. You know, talc is being reformulated out of a lot of products and the problem is it does have a lot of like, sweat sucking properties that I do like. I don't sweat. But I know that it, you know, I know why they're removing it. Because I'm allergic to it. You're allergic to it. Fine, lady. I worked for two years at a makeup store in Nigels. I saw you there. Oh my God, you worked at this Nigels? I worked at that Nigels. Oh, you're so mean. I didn't like it and I wasn't on SSRIs yet. Now I am. I've never been happier. But the problem is they're taking out all the talc. She's a Republican. Who? Go ahead. Sorry, what? The mom from Wizards of Waverly Place. Oh yeah. She's in God's Not Dead 2. Anyway, they're taking out all the talcs and all the stuff that makes the Michael Blass for a long time and then people are saying this didn't last very long and I'm like, hmm. I know. Because talc has, I believe like, it sucks up oil and also has some binding properties to it and they're removing it because I think they're deciding it's not a, you know, I don't know. I don't know what they're doing at Nigels. I don't know anything about what they're doing over there at the talc factory. But I do know that our guests today are drag icons, hilarious comedians and two divas who have incredible homosexual opinions. Please welcome to the ball and the beautiful Darby Lynn Cartwright and Alexis P. Bevel. Hi. Thanks for having us. Are you kidding? You know who's, you just got a target on your back. What? Tammy Brown's going to have a target on your back because that bitch reached out to me this week and was like, can I come on the pod? And I said, we're not really having guests anymore. Katya was hospitalized and now you guys are here. Okay. I did hear about that. Did you guys kill Katya for this? No, but well, I'm open to it. I had a, I had a moment with a Ouija board and I, and I asked a few questions. She did try and ask twice. Starting strong. I didn't do it out of the pipe. I sort of shotgunned it. It was Chicago, which we can talk about. We can talk about it. We cannot talk, but we will not be talking about Illinois. No. We can talk about Chicago, the Midwest, or honestly the United States. It's, yeah. Thankfully we can talk about Bosnia. Now listen, I, What happened with the, not the charcuterie board? Well, no, it was fun. I was using it as a charcuterie board at the time. If you want to try to reach someone from Wisconsin, use a charcuterie board. Okay. Yeah. I would know I took a bite. It was like the ring of a pepper. And that's what we were using as the Oobliette. But listen, I, yeah. And so I may have said like, I hope Katya goes, is she okay? I'm sorry. Yesterday she, I mean, she's, I listen, I wouldn't say Katya is patient. I wouldn't say she loves discomfort or inconvenience. Yeah. Sure. Imagine what it's like for her to be in a hospital with a tube in her nose. I said to the nurse, I said, I'm sorry. I said, I, she's just not very good at discomfort. She's not very patient. Sorry about whatever she does or says. She's going to have dementia because the thing that I've seen on the internet with your swipe is if you want to deprogram your brain and not get dementia, you're supposed to wait. I lost it. Yeah. We're supposed to listen to you about not getting dementia. Oh, you need to be uncomfortable. You have to get comfortable with Neil DeGrasse Tyson. You have to be uncomfortable. You have to be comfortable with getting uncomfortable. We're sorry for what happens to the rest of this hour. Oh my God. Are you kidding? I feel like this is what it must be like to be with Katya and I, where you just sit there and let it happen. Oh, should I leave? Yeah. I think it would be great. We did the wild, wild web and that's his name. I love him. Eric's to Daniel. So nice. So nice and so beautiful. Yes. But in real life, I'll take my camera. He's got pecs. He does. Anyway, I love his little VHS setup. I love everything was so cute. He just, he, yeah, he just kind of sat there and nodded. Yeah. Did you guys. Fuck. Yeah. No. Wait. So we all know each other from Chicago. We've all been doing drag, maybe a similar amount of time then. Yes. We were coming right after. We were starting as you were kind of, you had already come up and we had started in the Berlin, in the Berlin, Heyday. But yeah, I was working locally in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And I started to do shows with both of you, either of you. I feel like you and I did more shows together. Yeah. You were slightly newer. I was slightly newer. I was coming, I was coming in. Cause you were doing competitions. Like, Yeah. I was doing like Roscoe's and all of it. Did you ever win? I won. I won. I actually, I lost. Why do I feel like you know that she didn't? I won. I want to tell the story of who she lost. I won the pre. Oh, I lost the Miss Roscoe's competition. What year? 2004. I don't know. She came out of her swimsuit. Five girls quit on the spot. Yes. And the one that stayed in one was Miss Gia Gunn herself. Oh, the boom, boom gun. The boom, boom gun. You didn't have a chance. You know what? I loved her. I saw her cause we were both at the party city on Western getting stuff for our night. And I saw her there. And then when I saw her at the Miss Roscoe's competition, I said, oh my God, I saw you at party city today. And this was post season, the share needles and that. And so she thought I was coming for her. And she didn't really like it. That's fierce girl. You know, you know, what I know about Gia is that interpersonally, she'll always give someone the benefit of the doubt and she'll never just jumped on someone's throat. Yeah. She's serious. You really picked the right person. She's measured. She's measured. But you know what though? She's a great performer and she's so beautiful. I would be proud to lose to her in really any scenario. Oh, I'm so proud. You should get on one of her Instagram or TikTok live. She's on there 24 hours a day. She's on a band. I'm banned from getting on people's lives. What'd you do? I think it's a little too sensitive because if you like go on someone's TikTok live and tell them to kill themselves or comment like you can't hear the tone. They will like get banned for a week. So you will get banned for people's comments, which I think is kind of unfair. Oh, you'll get banned for people's comments. Yeah. I get banned for other people's comments. It's not because I've told someone that they just don't need to wake up tomorrow. She likes to go on people's lives. It was Alexis Michelle, but I thought it was Alexis Bevels. Yeah, we get that a lot. It's my fault. No, it's my fault. She likes to go on people's lives and say, do a cartwheel. I do. And so I'm going to see if they will. Who did it, Gia? Lana did it. Lana Jarre was walking around New York and she goes, do a cartwheel. And you know, she's 19. So she was like, of course I will. Yeah. If someone came up to me and said, do a cartwheel, I'd say, kill yourself than me. Right. Okay. But she puts her phone down. She does the cartwheel completely off screen. You can't see shit. So how do you know she did it? Because she ripped her pants. Girl, all you hear is her go, oh. And I was like, oh, but I get nervous. When I go into people's lives because I don't want to, I don't want to be talked to. Right. Or acknowledged at all. I do. I always comment like, hi girl, looking good girl. And I'll just like wait for them to acknowledge me and then I'll leave. That person. Yes. The person who's doing it. But like in the comments when people are sharing really funny things, I'm like, I can't be funny right now. Okay. She just ripped her pants. Give me a minute. Right. Give me a second. Were they cute? Why was she in pants and drag? She wasn't in drag. She was just wandering the streets of New York. You know, drag race isn't the winning thing it used to be. Okay. You know, you used to be on drag race. You didn't have to live on the streets. Okay. But now we have girls out here doing cartwheels, ripping their pants. Where do they live? Let's take a break. Where do they live? Hello. Hello. Where do they live? I wouldn't choose, I will say Chicago is something I do miss about doing drag. There is, let's say you did your number. Let's say you're hot. It's winter. The sweat freezes to your face. Let's talk about going in the alley and cooling down in drag. Oh my God. This alley is what we used to call it. You guys were both live singers in drag shows. Yeah. And so the rest of us be lip-syncing and then you have the live singers. What was that all about? Well, okay. So Courtney Act was on TV and I said, I can do that. And I looked just like her. Right. Yeah. And. Sorry. That was a rim shot. Oh, perfect. I used to rim when I was in my twenties and thirties. For me, it was about, I didn't feel confident in my lip-syncing. Right. But she, I thought it made us feel and look different. I didn't realize that she was good at it and I wasn't. Well, that's also, I disagree. No, no, no, you're the most beautiful voice you're my favorite person to sing with in the whole of my life. She sucks. I suck. She's actually, she's listening. Can you just give us a second? Can I see you back? Yeah. She's very talented. She's very talented. But these are water right here for me. But I, but at what? I have to break her. First of all, more than you expect. Have you seen her sourdough? No, that's what we call her poops. Oh, yeah. So you haven't seen her from the back. It's yeasty. It's yeasty. It's yeasty. And you know, she does your hair, doesn't she? Are you saying that you only have her here to do your hair? Yeah. I don't know if I've always said that. I'm a sidekick. First thing. Sure. People will leave. Yeah. Who's the leader here? I guess I am. Ask me anything. Ask me anything. Ask me anything. I'll be a leader about it. Okay. Well, who's the... Were you guys having any upcoming shows? Alexis, tell him. I'm kidding. She doesn't know. She doesn't know. You know, I just, just for a little insight into you guys' shows, I do actually, before we started, Alexis pulled this out of her dress, which I thought was a hit list. Katya's at the top. That's weird. Well, she got her. But it's actually a set list from your show. And I guess I like that this is about... First of all, this is already more production than Katya and I do. So I'm impressed. Thank you. It's set list. One of the things says, sit down. That's the part of the show where we sit down. We sit down. Okay. We even have a matching graphic, so people don't get confused. Yeah, we have a graphic. It says sit down. And she makes all the graphics. My brother, my twin brother does. My twin brother used to be a pastor, but now he's not a pastor anymore. And so now we're like, we're reconnecting. Anyway, he goes on tour with us. He probably won't join us for the next few cities. And it's just an interpersonal thing between him and me and what brothers are learning. He's attracted to me. The pastor to graphic designer pipeline. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, he's trying to do stand-up comedy. And listen, how about we all? How about we all? How about we all been to Zaynie's Chicago when we shouldn't have been? It's the best because you get a before and after of what she looks like in drag and out of drag. That's rude. Huh? I developed an eating disorder to look like this. What has he done? This is New York shit. Okay. So this was from New York. New York. When we performed in Brooklyn. Yeah. At the Bell House. How nice. We talk about shit. Do you feel like your Broadway self pop out when you're there? Oh hell yeah. Well, we stayed in Times Square. We just stayed in Times Square. I wanted to stay somewhere that would be calm and close to the M&M store. Close to the M&M store. Yeah. Because I want my order every day. Yeah. You understand. Actually, M&M's don't have rappers. Yeah. Oh. So I also want to say it's nice because when you guys go to New York, cause you guys do musical theater and you're annoying and they are, it's like very accepted. Yes. It must be like you guys going on like a birthright trip. Yes. No. Oh. Oh. More me. She's not really a theater. She didn't do theater when she was little. Yes, I did. You know nothing about me. That is true. And listen, I'm so sorry. That is true. You cannot listen to this. This is going to be personal. You ask me over and over and over, like things that should be known. You know, number one, I'm hung as hell. Number two. No, I do know that. Oh yeah, I forgot. I didn't mean to send it to you, but I'm glad you saw it. Thank you. Number two, yeah, like my whole childhood you just like checked out of. And I know so much about you. You used to be a boy, LOL. And your parents still accept you. Yeah. So I just want you to start putting in a little more effort. I'm sorry you had to see that. Are you kidding? I talked to Katya like that all the time. Up next, current events. Okay. So that's when we say, let's talk about current events and then we scroll our phone. Scroll through our phone. Don't give away the bit. Oh. One time I went to a girl's show and she just showed memes. Do you guys ever just show memes? Okay. We did have one in our first show we were trying out in Chicago. Oh, that was a little. So it was Trans Voices. Her stories don't always go well. So we were in Chicago and it was a show that was too long. We added an intermission in the middle of the show. Right. And no, no, no, no, no, that's fierce to just be like intermission. You know what? Okay. We did say the show was 90 minutes ended up being like three hours. We didn't try it or run it beforehand. So it did end up being a little bit longer. But for intermission, she just sat on the stage and. Oh, I scrolled tick tock. Yeah. Yeah. Stop. Yeah. So the audience came back and they're watching tocks with her. Stop. I have played four day. I played with Bob once. Oh, I love it. It's the only game I know about. But he yedded me off a cliff and laughed at me. You can take fall damage. Did you die? Yeah, I didn't. I think it's too hard running, building walls and running at the same time. I don't do build mode. I just run around and look in the chests. That's all I do. And I like to pick my outfit. The what? You there's little tips now you think you could just look at people's boobs. So you just open up people's chest and I look at everything. You walk up to women and just say, Hey, lady. She's never been arrested. She doesn't know. You go to the restroom and say, I'm here. No. I'm here. It smells like you're shitting. Yeah. I did buy a shirt from Marshalls that had poop on it. Do you like poop or humor? Oh, yeah. Do you like poop or pee pee? It's a huge issue for me. You don't like it? I don't like it. I don't like it. I just feel like it's not that I'm too good. It's that it's not, it's gross and it's not funny. Yeah. Well, the actual stuff is gross. But if something poop has happening to me, I make it so known and I won't stop talking about it. So I don't know what that is where I want to be seen. I want to be witnessed when I'm having like, Oh, I was constipated. I'm going to talk about it. Do you want to be perceived? Constipation is not funny. It's not funny. Poop on a shirt and Marshalls and buying it anyway. She got all wait a minute. I thought there was a graphic of poop on a shirt. No, no, no, no. Child's poop on a shirt. There was a brown stain that she thinks is poop. Hey, let's celebrate being able to fit children's clothing. Thank you so much. Well, I'm not allowed to be around them anymore. I didn't know what to do with all the clothes I'd already bought for them. How are you so thin at like 46? I'm telling you, first of all, you're, you're laughing about my age. However, I will be 42 in July. I'm not laughing. Okay. I remember when we started doing drag, first of all, you were married and the fact that we were like 21 and we knew someone who was married was like, what? Also, were you teaching special education? Yes, I was. Okay. I had this thought. I had this private tutor. I had this thought when Tracy asked if we wanted to come. A very good student. I was like, yes, absolutely. And there's, there's a couple of moments I always tell when people bring your name up that like now I'm just giving myself. Me? Yeah. Cause they'll be like, you're, oh, you have social media. People see you before. Go on. She doesn't run around social media. She has no idea. Hold on. No. We were in the basement of hydrate hitting our heads on poles. Oh my God. The basement of you guys, the basement of hydrate. I'm not kidding. This big. We're in drag like this. I'm not kidding. Kim Chi is planking. And we're all tall. Dungeon, crawler, carl, vibes. And Kim Chi was in her head, headpiece era. She was wearing a piece. She's already prone. Yeah. Yeah. She's wearing a clock. A live bird. The two of you. A live bird in a bird cage. A live bird in a cage. Which was ethically handled. She did inform me last time we talked about it. Yeah. She confronted her. Yeah. Now if you ask her, she's like, oh, it was Peter was involved. It was a rescue. Now it's a whole different story. Okay. She's testing the makeup on that bird. 100%. And that's why we look so good. No, you and Kim were in the corner pooling your tips. Because Kim was dressed as a pee and a pee pod and she didn't have green eye shadow. So you were pooling your tips so that you could go run, get her green eye shadow and you could share chicken tenders from 7-Eleven because you hadn't eaten yet. So y'all shared this and I was thinking, silly. That's why I'm a special ed teacher because I'm never going to go hungry. Cut to you're now super rich and I'm hungry all the time because I moved to LA and I think I have an eating disorder. Let's take another break. This episode is sponsored by Ro. I used to think getting healthy meant buying a water bottle the size of a small donkey and eating half a cucumber for my well balanced lunch. But the older I get, the more I see health as a full story, not just a number and a scale. I personally know several people using GLP ones who are not only losing weight but seeing better lab numbers, experiencing increased energy, feeling fewer cravings and finally feeling like themselves again. 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I was wearing a Kamora Hall suit, a little body suit. Oh gosh. It was too big. You want to talk expensive drag? I lost to Kamora Hall once too in a competition at Spin Nightclub. Oh Spin. Oh man. I missed that one. And Berlin. Shout out to Berlin. You know what's a new, it's going to be a thing now. Yeah, decibel. Oh, is Berlin reopening? It's something. Yeah, it's reopened. It's called resta-b-b-b. No, it's a club. It's already opened. Oh, good for them. Berlin was really fun and magical. Talk about a time of really like a free-for-all in drag. Everything was wild and crazy. Oh yeah. This is the first time I ever tried Coke. Was Berlin? No. This morning. I just lied to you. It was actually, it was in this guy's house. I don't know, but I didn't get to know him because he died. He jumped out of the belt like his window and killed himself like two months later. You know, all of my drug stories are from Chicago. Yeah, same. Yeah, that's all of mine too. Same. That is, to me that if you ask me, that is the cocaine capital of the world. I believe it. It's so cold and all the snow. Drinking for breakfast for sure. The drinking, the level of hangover, the puking on the Amtrak that I did in my life coming home from Chicago. Oh yeah, because you were training in from the Amtrak. Oh my God. I remember when I was in Berlin on Saturdays, I would get up, go get on the Amtrak, go back to Milwaukee, go straight to Himmler-Marie's and do bingo. Oh my God. You didn't even stop me. You were hustling, hustling, hustling. You know what I remember when I think of you meeting you before you went on drugs race? Every day. Yeah. Okay. And we be honest. We do, but it's not because of us. We are, because we are two white women with problems. And sure. I have the signature Chicago face that I never changed. Absolutely. Yeah. Does it look a lot like Trixie's? It might. You think? I've never thought that. I don't think so. I just think it's the black. The black. I think that's all it is. You do this totally different. Yeah, I don't know. But people call us the T-new Trixie Katya all the time. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah. All the comments. Which one of you is Trixie? Which one is Katya? Well, that's the thing is she's, I almost said something so rude. She's skinny like Katya. No, say it. What? She's T-mute. I found out I might have a personality disorder. You found out? Yeah, two days ago. She said, yes you do. Who told you? Everyone you've ever met? No, she saw new, she's trying out a new therapist. There's no way you have two parents. She's in Palm Springs. No, my parents and I don't talk, but my dad's 82 because he's homophobic and whatever that's why we don't talk and he's sucking off one of his friends from high school. Makes a lot of sense. I knew you were either like, had an old parents or homeschooled or something. Yeah, old parents who were gay. No, but we were in Berlin and we were chatting and timing is so funny because I remember hearing that you tap dance. And I also tap dance and so I messaged you on Facebook. I said, we should do a tap dance number together. And you were like, oh yeah, that sounds great. And then two minutes later you were on track, Grace. I think you were like on the way to the flight when you messaged me back. Yeah, I think the, I think there were, I think I responded like, I think I said, okay, loser. I think it was something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was fun. Something nice. Yeah. Thank you for training her. Berlin was also a unique stage because you like enter from the basement. Actually a nice dressing room for a drag club. Yeah. A dedicated space with a curtain. Had mirrors. Yes, that's true. Had something. Had a counter and that area had a drain. So while you're tucking, you could piss on the floor. I have seen that happen a few times. I did that every time I was at Berlin. Also that was when fireball, it like launched. It felt like. Oh my God. Fireball was, I remember it being the official sponsor of all these drag shows, which shout out to fireball kind of pre drag what it is now. Fireball was like, yeah, we'll sponsor your drag show. Yeah. They gave us the money that paid us and free fireball. Yeah, we did. Um, maybe drinking fireball on the rocks. We were acting like it was. Oh, we'd sip it. Have you ever sipping fireball? Oh my gosh. And there's a hot mug of fireball. You don't warm your bones. Do you have a healthy relationship with others? No, you don't because you sip fireball. Yeah. Fireball. Oh, I loved it though. I did too. And we did do it with cinnamon. Actually, there was a moment, um, at Berlin, we were doing a show and you were outside spray painting your nails. I did do that a lot. Yeah, you were doing that a lot. And I was, it was another moment where I was like, she probably can't afford nails. She was a teacher. I couldn't. She could. You were, you were older than us and married and had a real job. Thank you. It seemed like you were like a real person. And I just remember we always, I always thought your husband was so beautiful. And he is. And he still is. We just went and saw. What's his name? Ned or? Curtis. Curtis. Yeah, Curtis, Nedward Jackson. That's close. Nedward. Yeah. Actually, sure. Why not? We went and saw him in a short film. He had a premiered his short film called Kiss spelled K-I-5-5 and he was wonderful in it. That's great. He's just, he's a really good actor. He's a camera. He eats him up. Yeah. He used to do so much infinity. He did an infinity commercial dressed as a bear and that has paid for so much of my lifestyle. He looks like Jack Quaid and Jake Gyllenhaal together. Yeah. Oh, I could totally see that. Yeah. Yeah, he does have a Jake, a Jack Quaid vibe. Jack Quaid was a dad. Yeah. Did you guys watch the boys? I watched the first episode. No, because she used to be one. Yeah. Yeah. I used to be one. I used to, I like to say I was deep undercover as a dude. You're not the T mood Trixie. You're the T girl Trixie. What? Wait, the end of that sentence was she's skinny like Katya, but she doesn't make up. The best thing that ever happened. And then I tapped it. So we're based on your decisions. Oh, we're the same. Yeah. Because now I can say trans jokes because I have one. Oh. Yeah. You gotta catch them all or you gotta catch the best one. Oh. Well, I believe when you have a trans colleague, I do believe there's a, there's a closeness. There's a way you could speak to her that maybe other people shouldn't. So people at home, I will say, you see her talk to her like this. Yeah. That doesn't mean that you, I think it's a general rule on a cruise ship. And that changes everything. Listen, how much you see, are the, she bent over and the pubes were coming out the back. I think she's, are the pubes red? Are they, no, they're dark brown. Those ones I didn't bring. No, I didn't bring my reds. Are yours gray? I do have some. It's starting. Yeah. Are you shaving? It is beyond started. You still have hair though. That's pretty fierce. It starts a little further back. I think, but I am going to Turkey. Oh, fierce. Yeah. I want to get, I want to get teeth like yours. Have you ever been to Turkey? And I want to get hair like you used to have. Oh, I haven't had hair in a very long time now, probably 10 years. And I got these teeth in America at nail in Hollywood. Fabulous. Really? My dentist, or my dentist is in Beverly Hills. Dr. Son. Okay. There we go. Dr. Son. Unrelated, cannot relate. When I first moved here, I had money to go to the dentist for like, what the first fucking time. And I just Googled who's the closest dentist and she lived a block for me, her dentist office block for me. That's how I selected my dentist. Yeah. Most people probably do research. No, you know, whatever's closest. You have to go whatever's closest. We all like our base dental care is pretty bad for drag queens. Are you kidding me? Like, oh, so I mentioned my upbringing. I'm like, I think the Wisconsin paid for us to get a teeth cleaning once a year maybe or a checkup, which wasn't enough. Well not for Wisconsin when the main part of your diet is cheese. Cheese. I love the Mars cheese castle though. Girl. I miss it. What do you guys think of Milwaukee? Love it. We love it. We love Milwaukee. Yeah. We've never had a bad time in Milwaukee. The Chicago Milwaukee sisterhood is the traveling gouchos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like St. Louis, New Orleans. And you guys in Milwaukee Pride is turned. Oh my God. What's with Milwaukee Pride being so good? It's so fun. Can I tell a Milwaukee Pride story that may not be appropriate? Okay. First time I ever met detox was at Milwaukee Pride. I was co-host. Inappropriate. Exactly. Well, I was a twink and I was alone with her. Is that appropriate? No. No, she was really sweet. But we were, this drag queen and I were co-hosting Milwaukee Pride and it was unreal. Like it just blew my mind. It's huge. It's crazy. You don't do anything. You just jump up and down. It's like a Coachella. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. And there's one of those like gondolier swings that goes over the entire grounds. Oh yeah, to go look and you can like ride it and drag. They got food and fried everything, beer tents, multiple stages. That dance pavilion is crazy. Crazy. Thousands of people. Thousands of thousands. And they're dancing for hours. And they're not even, they're dancing while the sun is up. They're dancing all day. There are 10 furries in full fur gear. Oh yeah. 100 degrees outside. They are out there for hours doing their thing. I'm in barely a dress and I'm like, it's too hot. I'll see you in a few minutes. I'll be right back. I was never on stage for more than five minutes. Well, I also think Market Days is, is, is, I think Market Days partners with heat stroke. They kind of partner every year because Market Days has a liability to something. What a great drag name. Because when is Market Days, July? August. August. It will kill you. Yeah. It's hot out there. And it should. And I have wished for it. Doing this thing. The wall sweat. And we were doing Milwaukee Pride and it was, it was right. It was the weekend of, oh, this is going to be such a bummer. Sit down. Everything so far has been kind of sad. Oh. I know my brand. Pulse nightclub in Orlando. Oh. It happened. I don't know if we. It did. Yeah. It did happen. And we had Milwaukee Pride the next day. Oh, I remember this. Yeah. And there was a big conversation about are we going to do it? Do we, you know, who feels safe enough? And detox was supposed to be there that day, but obviously like she. Requeues to herself. She recused herself. And she's from Florida, I believe. So she probably. It really hit her hard. Yeah. But she, before the park opened, the drag, the other drag queen, she died in a fire. She texted, she gets a text that detox is here. She's about to leave. She just wants to say hi. So I came out and I stood like away because she was already crying and I didn't want to like get in that business. And so they're talking or whatever. And then she goes, who's that? And then she brought me over and she's crying. And I go, hi, I'm Darby. And she goes, oh, you're cute. And then kisses me on the lips. Smiles goes right back to crying. And that just shows the resilience of the queer community in hard times or. Healthy compartmentalization. Exactly. Well, that's why that's how we have to do with our childhoods and the such as. Well, queer joy, right? Unbridled queer joy. And it's also very queer to be like, like if somebody's getting me and it's like something kind of sex, it's like, oh, it's also very, do you remember her and me girls when she's like big fat whore? Yeah. It was like very. My niece was just a mean girl. She played Katie. She's too good for the, the program she's in. Wow. That's tough. I love to go see production specifically. I love a community theater production. I saw a community theater production of of a legally blonde a couple years ago. Blonde. Eight. That was a community theater. There's a Presbyterian church near us that does all the juniors. Like in the summer, they have. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do like red junior where they have diabetes and stuff where they have diabetes instead. Oh, okay. So my. She's at a stripper. She works at Build-A-Bear or something. Well, honestly, I think that's more immoral. If you work at Build-A-Bear, that's a scam. You get a bear so cheap. You can rip it out within yourself. Stuff my teddy. It's a Build-A-Bear. Does she do that? Yeah. Something she does. Yeah. Someone once said like, I love Alexis. She's so funny, but I know it's got to be hard like to see her every day and like, oh, she has to edit me every day. Oh, I actually don't think between Katya and I, who has it worse? Well, she's in the hospital. No, I mean like who. So her. Who, me having to work with her, her having to work with me. I don't know who like who wants to take the bigger bullet every day. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is interesting because working with your best friend, I would say that's hard, huh? Do you guys hang out? Cause Katya and I don't hang out or speak. Not anymore. We, we do. Yes, we do. We do only because I don't have a car. I live so close to her. So like she can't avoid me. Right. No, but the good thing is she doesn't call me anymore. I won't. I know I don't call her cause she's, her phone's turned off. She's listening to my, yeah, she's listening to my voice and editing my face for eight hours a day. Also, you need to go have, if you guys talk about your life, you need to go have separate experiences and you kind of need to bravo, bravo, bravo. Nothing you say matters unless that camera's rolling. Yes. And I don't think that makes it a bad thing. No. Katya and I was talking about we just, because of this, we have to have stuff in the tank. We have the fresh discovery of a story. Yeah. We just, we just, and Kelly, they never spoke to each other until they got on camera. Katya and I on tour literally wouldn't see each other till we're on stage. That is her dream. Okay. That is my dream. It's nice. It's just because like you require a lot of support. Who's the, who's the insecure neurotic one? Who's like the do I look bad? Well, no, see, I used to be the insecure neurotic one and then I transitioned and I got on SSRI selects a 20 milligrams. I've never been happier and I have a boyfriend. Oh, you're a boyfriend. Yeah. So he's over a year. He is a musician like you. Who would play him in a movie? Oh, the comments say Noah Cajun. What? What's that? Noah Cajun is a music artist. He's like long hair beard scruffy. You know, when you play, who would play her? You pick someone that everyone knows. That everyone knows. Yeah. That would be helpful. Okay. The Noah Cajun community is going to come for you. Oh, I didn't know. Shit. Now it's over. Okay. Okay. You're quite a bit younger than us, right? No, I'm 40. I'm actually 41 today. You're 41. Yeah. Today's her birthday. You really have always had a youthful vibe. Yeah, that's very insecure. Very insecure sentences and words. Yeah. Yeah. I thought when we started doing drag, I thought you were younger than me. Thank you. This episode is sponsored by Squarespace. Hello. I'm Dr. The founder, CEO and chief inhalation curator of Atmosphere, the world's leading purveyor of small batch artisanal air and jars. 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Try the new Charlie Bigham's Asian Pan-Fried Noodle Range, handmade in my kitchen. Pan-fried in yours. I will say the cast of characters when we started doing drag in the same, it was the arena, yeah. Vixen, Pearl, Shay, Kim. Yes. The drag world was developing and flowering in that area code. There was a moment where suddenly all of Chicago, all of the girls we came up with were on the show. Every year someone was on Drag Race. One or two of them. Yeah, for a good long while. It was Gia, then it was me, then it was Kim, then I think it was Vixen. It was like, no, Shay. Don't forget Nisha Lopez. Nisha. When did she hit the scene? Well, Nisha. Nisha during the Kim season, right? It's not for me. No, Gia, I feel. Oh, Gia was six. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Nisha was six. Oh my God. Drag Race. My niece is going to be in We're Six, Junior. Oh, Mean Girls Junior. So they changed the line where Regina goes, hey, I'm feeling very sexy and instead changed it to, hey, I'm going to take a selfie. And then she pulls out her phone and takes a picture of herself. I don't like junior versions of things. Oh, it's so fun. We don't need junior euphoria. We don't need junior. Okay. They don't want to. I'm in showgirls. They're old. They're old. And that's a funny idea. I don't want to see old people go to high school. That's why it is. You're at the dance. You need to watch Netflix. Everyone's 40. Showgirls Junior, but only performed by adults. If you guys went to audition at Netflix today to play high schoolers, they would tell you that you're too young. Okay. Thank you. So you haven't gotten your eyes done yet. I have a question. This list says twin Uendo. What's that about? Okay. So they, despite my objections, they have a podcast. Who's they? Her and her brother, her twin brother. I love to hear her explanation of things because I get like a view inside her mind of like, what does she think we're doing? Yeah. And so they have a podcast together called twin Uendo that I am not on. That's why I like when she drives. And I'm not involved with like just kind of. You haven't been asked. I haven't been. I've been on it one time, but it is a boys club. They don't have to do drag or anything. And they have to, and they talk about their trauma. We're doing trauma. Okay. It's trauma talk. You know, he was a pastor for almost 20 years. I was a drag queen. You know, we weren't close. He was a boy. She was a girl. Can I make it any more obvious? Yeah. Yeah. And much like Avril Lavigne, I do hope to kill him and replace him one day. I love Avril Lavigne. Oh my gosh. I love Avril Lavigne. I liked the original one the best, but I got to say the one that she is now. What's her name now, Stacey or something? Melissa? Not for me to know. What do you think Taylor is? They think Taylor is like Melissa or something. Melissa. The comments would be like, Melissa Blink if you're okay. She was in law and order SVU last week. I did hear about that. She played a lesbian. Oh, she was so good. And that's okay. That's okay. And that's okay. She was amazing. Are you and your brother identical? We're Mary Kate and Ashley Fraternal. Did you know Mary Kate and Ashley are fraternal? They look very similar. Wow. Yeah. I think she's taller and he's straight. It's really fun with them on tour together because like she'll walk behind a pillar and then he'll come out the other side and I'll be like, whoa. And that's kind of a fun twin. That happened. You want to hear about twin hijinks? She rented a car. The last time we went, we went to North Atlanta, Alpharetta and Orlando. We rented a car. We just want you to name the two. Well, we used to say, well, we used to say Atlanta and then we realized now we're North Atlanta slash Alpharetta. Alpharetta is a beautiful name though. And so we bought drugs. She bought a car and then she was like, you're going to drive. I'm just going to give you my ID in case we get pulled over. Because she don't want to put them on the thing. Oh, am I allowed to say that? Are we going to get into it? Yeah, no, go for it. No, blow up her spot. No, but she's not. I don't think either of you have a financial position to get banned from enterprise. We're absolutely not. And it was 60. First of all, I love that you think we can afford enterprise. Have you ever heard of six? You guys are Alamo. We're six. No, bitch. We're six with a T. Yeah. You ever want to start a company? The number with a T. What's the one where you rent someone's car, Truro? That's not doing that. Were you rent you like you like could like if you have a Prius, you could like rent it for people to come get it and use it for the day. I have a Subaru. That's kind of a great business venture. Oh, yeah. I used to love Zipcar, but she was mad that I didn't put her name on it because she told me I was going to learn how to drive again. No, no, no, I'm a very good driver. I just got my ID back. We got in really late and I couldn't wait in the sixth line. You know the sixth line is crazy. There was no one there. We just went straight to the car and I was the only one on it and because he's straight and he drives like here. Yeah. So I just gave him my license. No, I'm a very good driver. People really shouldn't be driving. Everybody's like, are the way most safe? I'm like, the gay people are out here driving. I'm not gay anymore. No driver is better than gay driver. Technically, I'm not gay anymore. Oh, my mom was thrilled. Oh, my God. You are the stereotype of a woman driver. God, you're a sexual woman. Apparently, yeah. Yeah. You're part of the problem. I'm sorry. I'm a heterosexual white lady. Yes. She's a seer, titties. Get on Facebook. The nipples are bigger than you think. She should become a Chad. Hey, mama's, you should. Can I tell you my current obsession, the thing that helps my SSRI is hand sewing dresses and I'm going to the hobbit. Okay. Don't look at me like that. I love sewing and I like, I feel like you have more control with hands. The most productive thing she's ever done and I could do it in the plane. Hand sewing. I can do it on the plane. I love it. Girl, you're telling me that you're back in 21C. I love that. Yeah, she really is. I really am. Yeah, I have to watch out for the stewardesses. Have you guys ever, I don't be insane. Well, this next note from the show says, don't impress me much. That's a song that I do. It's the only song I do. She has done that song. I do it everywhere. I do it everywhere. I do it everywhere. For about eight years now and I'm not exaggerating. But it's improv because during the part where she says, so you're a rocket scientist. I stop the music and I say, hi, what's your name? And he says, you know, what's your name? Daniel. And I say, what do you do for work? Retail. Okay. So you probably have to deal with like customers and like interpersonal relationships. That's the song is called that don't impress me much. So, and I can't change the lyrics. And I between is very litigious as you will know. And then it comes in that don't impress me much. And now that I've said it on this podcast, I'm going to have to retire. No, nobody listens to this. They're going to realize neither viewer Katya and they're going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And you know what? Thank you for that. Thank you for realizing that. Finally, to two of you put together, don't even equal one vascular crack head. How does that feel? Oh, we know. Oh, you don't know. We're very self aware. I used to put drugs in my butt. And that is something that I have heard that people do. And I just, in my experience, I can barely have like a solid BM without injuring myself. So how are people putting drugs up there? Solid. Oh my God. I come to our meet and greet and give us metamucil. Metamucil gummies. Are you ever doing any of that? Our lives. Well, I usually am oscillating between a mirror lax experience, but I'm always afraid like, I'm afraid that a metamucil is going to stop things up more. What do you think happens? Because metamucil, it does when you go off it. I've, I kind of know what birth was feeling. His dad died in 9-11. His dad died in 9-11. He brought us metamucil gummies. We don't always have to say who died in a story. He's supposed to. His mom doesn't like it when we say it. She did. I requested what she did. She did. But she's not here. Yeah. She's not in Hollywood, USA, honey. And neither is our husband. He's not anywhere. Okay. Sorry. I'm sorry. Grant, I'm sorry. No, but he brings us these gummies. We start taking them. We start having solid poops every day. He's wild. And then I forget to take them. No one tell us. Like he didn't say, by the way, if you start this, you can't just suddenly stop because you're going to lock everything up forever. What? Yes. And so at Christmas, I'm in my in-laws house and I rip my butthole wide open. Mine came a few months later. And wasn't it horrifying? Do you watch the pit? Yeah. You've been to be in the pit. I've never seen it. I mean, I know, you guys, I know about ripping a butthole. Yeah. I don't have to watch a medical show to understand. What are you watching? Do you watch? What am I watching? I've been watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills from the beginning. My ex used to watch it all the time. And so I peripherally have seen parts of it. Yeah, you've gotten the gist. And I texted Lisa. I said, you never guess what I'm watching. I've been watching Beverly Hills from the beginning. And I was like, kind of like, like, She said, she's so funny. Embarrassed to admit that to her. Like I was like, but then again, I'm like, she's always kind of scandalized that I haven't seen it. What do you smell like? Beautiful. Yeah. She is exactly as you would see on the program. I'm watching the program being like, she really is maybe just mishagging out with her a little bit. So I texted her being like, I'm watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She's like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like 15 years ago. It's like, Hey, I'm watching home videos of you. It's pre COVID. It's a different world. Oh, we were just talking about that on the way over here. Do you watch Matlock? There's a new Matlock with Kathy Bates. Yes, with Kathy. I've never seen it. I watched Gypsy Rose Blanchard Life After Lockup. It got discontinued now. I watched. What did she do in her life after lock up? The show literally starts. I feel like I'm the only person who watched this because I never hear anyone talk about this and it's canceled now. Okay. The show starts with her getting picked up from prison and them going to buy her shoes. Like you guys, it's, it's the, in a world of people moving into fake houses to be on reality TV, this is as about as real as it gets Gypsy Rose Blanchard at shoe carnival getting paparazzi. Oh my God. It harkens back to a different time in reality TV. Oh, yes. Well, now here's a beautiful question. You're released from prison. Where are you going first? She gets McDonald's and she gets shoes. I love that. I would go, you know what? I turned on its head. I would go to jail. I would just make sure I didn't leave anything and holding. You're a pick me girl. I'm going to pick me girl. I'm going to need attention. Yeah. Yeah. My dad doesn't love me. I'm going to Taco Bell and I'm going to a fabric store. Girl. You want to go get a job. Do you know what they need to get for the girls? The, the dragoons. They need to get, you know how they have like a long gen silvers and McDonald's combo or whatever. They need to get a fabric store. Taco Bell. Yeah. Your fabric is getting cut. You're going to get your chalupa. I would be in there. I would get a job there. I would quit dragging, get a job. Do you guys cook? No, absolutely. I started making Crunchwrap. I started making Crunchwrap Supremes at home on my own. You just need to buy the ingredients. The Taco Bell doesn't want you to know this. You know, they make one in, um, what's the restaurant? It's a Thai restaurant in West Hollywood. I can't remember the name, but they make their own version of a Crunchwrap Supreme, but it tastes just like it. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I mean, all you have to do is get the giant tortilla, you get the small crunchy tortilla and you layer it all and then you pan fry it. That's fabulous. I'm a Mexican pizza girl. And it's better than the McDonald's one, or it's better than the Taco Bell one. I'm sure McDonald's is a really weird case to be in. I'm a Mexican pizza girl. You are? Me and Doja Cat. She was so excited. Dolly liked that too. Dolly Parton liked that too. Really? Mexican pizza. I love it. It's so good. Did you have it in school growing up? That was always my favorite day. No. Mexican pizza at school? It was an octagon. What? Yeah. You're not talking about Taco Bell-synced Mexican pizza. This is woke. No. I'm talking about like, you know, pizza day in school, it's the big rectangle. Back in my day, there were boys and girls. Okay. Not Mexican, we she, they them, Mexican pizzas. Yeah. In my day, people were singular. Okay. We were dealing with the plural. Don't look at me. I'm her. She was they them for a week and it was terrifying. Yeah. That was hard. It was really hard on everyone in her life. I do think it's funny that about eight days later, you said, so yeah, we're going to flip the script. What guess who's back, back, back again, you know, yeah, yeah. Okay. It's an evolving journey of self discovery. It really is about you for a second. So just know that do you want me to look away? Yeah, that would be great. Okay. She's a completely different person as her fully realized female self. She sucked as a boy. I did. You know, she does. I'm growing them out. Start. Okay. Every time. No, she's so much better. She's been growing them out for years. Yeah. For years and years. And then she does have to cut them occasionally. Well, I'm growing them out. We look over. She's three. I lost three when I was on the plane, sewing my new stays. Okay. Yeah. She needs, she can't wear nails because she's doing her Amazon hand sewing on the plane. Well, cause she's on that technology, the plane. She doesn't, it feels like it's too advanced for her. I have a question. The next note in your show says, it's not that easy being mean. Okay, now this is her time to shine. That is a number I used to do. I don't do it anymore, but. It seems like you do. This is from what, last week? That is from last October. October. She doesn't wash her clothes. This was in your pocket since last October? Apparently. This is velvet, by the way. This is velvet, by the way. This is fierce girl. This is fierce girl. I do love that. I don't know what they call that sequin where the inside is velvet. Yeah, yeah. It's hot though. It's so hot, and that's why I only. She would have washed it. Indeed. It was winter when we were in. Oh, it was winter. It was a different time. Were you outdoors? And we stayed at Times Square. No. No, but we went to Times Square a lot. It's hard to sleep outside. Yeah. No, but not easy being mean. I sing the song, not easy being green, but obviously it changes the name. Parody. Exactly. Oh, parody work. And then I had, Parody's work. Parody, and I had a little. Kind of Sherri Bonti. Oh, thank you. And I will always love poo, or, you know. Is that her song? She's the queen of a poop song for sure. That's why you don't have her on. You hate poop. You hate it. She is, she's like, just shit my, just shit my pants. Like, I just shit shit my pants. She's, it's always like I shit my pants. I shit my pants while I shit a pair of tights once in an Uber. Anyway. Why were you wearing just tights? It's not your best pants. You're very fetal to sit naked with just tights on in the Uber. You never did that? Also weird. I would go completely ready for the gig. No clothes. You didn't do that? Recovered memory. Why were taxis so cheap in Chicago back in? Oh yeah. They used to pay you to take a taxi. They're still a little bit cheaper than Ubers. It was Obama. Thanks Obama. Thanks Obama. Now what? Sleepy Joe. I gotta be honest. I'm not loving what Joe Biden's doing in office right now. It's tough. The world seems crazy. Right. We gotta, someone call your grandpa. Nope, political humor, great. I'll save that for Kelly Mantel. Oh yeah. Kelly really watches CNN. That fucking bitch. I'd love to watch her watch the news. I bet it would freak her out. Girl, she can only be in touch with what she's in touch with and what she's in touch with is very little. And how did you all end up like having her a part of all of your live events? Because she's a perfect addition to you and Katya. We were coming up with a character that would be like our manager. And I was like, who is deeply available? And you know, drinks on a level that can make my drinking seem kind of, you know. Are you a drinker? Not really anymore. Yeah, same. I mean, two glasses of wine at dinner last night. That was me getting wild. Do you have a headache today? No, I'm okay. Oh, how old are you? 36. People think I'm older because I'm bald and I look old. You don't look old. Well, no, I just, we were coming up at the same time. So I thought we were both really young. We were really fresh and young. I started to drag it like 30. That's normal, right? That was crazy. Yeah, that's right. You were like, hey, I'm old. Hey guys. Yeah, yeah. You kept saying that. Because I kept kind of being like, hey, I'm old. And we were all like, we get it. We get it. It's because I knew Twink death was coming for me. And I was so excited that I was still on life support. So I was showing off. Can I say it will come for you and you have to develop a personality. Daniel, you got to pick up the dumbbell or pick up the wig. Exactly. Absolutely. And I wish you would put down the wig. I also want to say I, I, I. Yeah. You should say it as an educator, former educator. Do you think there's some skills that carry over to controlling like a drag audience? Right. People management. Well, I taught special ed. And so I had to deal with people on a daily basis who needed extra support. And whatever I was doing, I had to have three or four different options for how I could communicate that idea. Right. When people are drunk in a bar, you have to be ready to either be like, you say whatever you say, they're going to laugh or whatever you're going to say, they're going to cry or whatever you say, they're not going to pay attention at all. They're going to be in a different room. Right. Okay. And that's working at a bar in Chicago. And yeah, you have to learn how to like talk to a drunk asshole in a charming way. Although sometimes when I would get drunk, I would become the drunk asshole. The first time I ever met Katya, I was wasted and I tried to fight her outside Roscoe's. And then. So you don't have to be drunk to fight her. Thank you. But I needed it. I needed the confidence. And then the guy at 7-Eleven called the police on me. The one right on Halstead? Mm-hmm. You know, but knowing that it was Katya, I bet she was in perfectly sound mind. She, can I be honest? She was. She's probably smoking cigarettes. Listener, she was. She was and she was chill. And I went up and was like, I don't know why I started to fight her. You know what it was? Dominance. She will talk to anyone. I'm an alpha. She'll talk to anyone as long as she can smoke at the same time. Yeah. Well, she won't fight them while she's smoking. If she's at a health site smoking, go up to her. She's in her happy place. She's at her best. I don't think she smokes anymore. I tell people that we smoke. Just it explains our teeth. Yeah, but we don't smoke. Also, it's a great way. You know, when I worked at like a real job, I was always pissed off that smokers go all these extra fucking books. I was just thinking that. Yeah, I was just, I had diarrhea. When I worked at the Mac counter, I'm like, can I go stand outside? I forgot you worked at the Mac counter. Remember when Mac was it? Like you want that girl again. It is. It's coming back. Yeah, I've always loved them. Did you go back to Mac after you launched your makeup line and you said big mistake, huge or whatever? No, because I also got fired from there. So what you do nothing. It's a whole story. We don't have time. We're wrapping up. Please. There is one more that I want to talk about. Are you really just going through a set list from October? Well, I'm hopefully not doing any of this again. No, we're not. You know we are. So if you guys go see their live show, make sure that you act. I want them to overact how new this is. Yeah. Whoa. OK, the sit down joke. The sit down joke is really enjoyable. So there was a moment in Orlando, though, when I was telling a story and I thought, you've all heard this on the podcast, haven't you? And the whole audience goes, yes. I know. And sometimes they're too nice to say anything. Yeah. Yeah. But Katya and I have absolute brain death, so we don't fucking know. Right. Well, you just say like that's part. Yeah. She just remembered she has an Adam's apple. Yeah, so sorry. That was that guy's dad. There is there is one more point I want to hit. This is this is death equals lady. What's going on there? Darby. Oh, yeah. Early on in our in our IMA show, the show journey, Darby had a new death story every single time. Not on purpose. I just find it really interesting when people die. She likes to talk about death. Did you guys used to do lives? Yeah. No, no. Our show started because we used to do your close and personal friends. Soju. Soju. You should do a live version. You see the Soju is live. Right. Oh, yeah. I remember catching you guys on live. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Does Soju do drags? Don't I'm not sure. Wouldn't you know? I don't really know her, honestly. What? She came up after she was gone. No, you're very close to Soju. That's what Reddit says. I've maybe met her a couple of times. I'm just kidding. I'm fucking with you. I remember her being extremely beautiful. And then she did a show where she would get drunk on live. Extremely. Yeah. Yeah. So that was soju. Shot was soju. Shot was soju. And that's how she decided to do a show. And I was like, well, I can keep going with that. Yeah. Yeah. And then I elbowed. So being an Auntie Chan. Love Auntie Chan. Auntie Chan, incredible. She's so good. Is she working? Yeah. She's. She's Kamara Hall's truly adopted daughter now. She's fucking fierce girl. She's amazing. She's so fine. And then I got jealous and I said, please don't do anything without me. And so I elbowed my way in. Yeah. Chan said, you are a decade older than me. I'm wasting my time. And so luckily I have my silver medal ready to go. Yeah. Thank you. It's nice to be the second or third choice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm comfortable. I like to be in a supportive position. Because alone, you guys have nothing. Yeah. And together, this is, hey, you're here. Yeah. Thank you. And that's. And thank you. And that's what it's about. We're putting that on the poster for the next life tour. Hey, we're here. Yeah. Well, how long have you guys worked together now? Oh my God. Got to be pushing dead new years, right? We started. Oh, we were at 14. Wow. It's long. Because we started at hydrate doing, there was like the Snow White and the Seven Drag Queens. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. And so we would do that. We did that together. Fears. Yeah. So we've known each other for a while, but I got to say knowing you as a girl is so much more fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I since we fought on stage at VidCon last year and I called her a dumb bitch in front of a bunch of children. You heard about it. But I think it's because I have a personality disorder. So I'm really sorry, but I put in my time with you as an undercover boy. This is just my version of that. Of course. You know, we we accept the love we think we deserve. So I don't know what happened to you. Well, thank God I have a boyfriend now and he's really lovely and nice and hot. And we're going to have to wrap up. Understand. She understood his pink, all of green and put a hat like a witch's hat. I took a picture. I had an alphabet doll and I put the hat on it and then in Photoshop, I painted it green. I would never actually do that. The second wicked was so bad. All right. You know what? What? We're going to let Trixie run the show for a minute. The third one was fierce. Yeah. I love the third one. The third one. Oh my God. When the the munchkins all start fucking. I'm sorry. I've been watching a lot of weird videos. I have to tell you this. I miss Dunkin Donuts. I saw the funny. There's you. On your year day. It was this guy. There's one little hot twink guy. Much like you, not you. Much like you. And his whole thing is that his penis is small and he loves that it's small. And I think that's I think that's beautiful. I don't super care about you. Thank you guys so much. No, I was going to say, I was going to say, I don't. I really super do not care about smaller, small. Oh, no, we either that's the play. We love a small one. Fucking life if you care. Sorry, everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad has my dad has a micro penis, Nick Nixon. Anyway, so I I click on his video because he's hot. I'm like, yeah, let's go small penis. And he has his phone like here and he comes and then he goes. I'm sorry. Was this in Wicked Three? This was in Wicked Three. Oh, yeah. Climax. Right. Yeah. Oh, good news. So he comes and then he looks in the camera and he goes. I told you my little guy would make a mess. If you guys want to see these people, they're online and you also can you also can. He said that you can actually. Thumbs down this video and maybe you'll never see them again. And maybe never see us again. We'd like to thank you so much for having us. Are you kidding? Thank you to Katia for. Give. Oh, can you give a message of hope to Katia? Oh, yeah. Well, I know that we share a birthday. Oh, is your birthday today? And my birthday is today. So I. Oh, thank you. We said that already. So you did. You were in the throes of hosting. It's OK. And so I was kind of when you told me that I was like Katia's birthday today. Yeah. In the hospital. Well, and I was like, oh, sure. Katia's out sick on her birthday. And then she posted that. Also love. Love that she posted a picture with tubes in her nose with no information and just said death comes for us all or some shit. I love that. You know, there's a 14 year old girl crying right now. Well, I hope you're getting. I saw on Twitter someone sent someone's been people have been been mowing her. Oh, she's a millionaire. She's a millionaire. Love it. Just under the money. Oh, well, it's her birthday. Trixie Mattel. Alexi Mattel and the Adalexus Babels. Katia, listen, we hope you get better soon. Sorry. And but thanks and strong and together we can. Well, the Sweden. Yeah. In my homosexual opinion is a fabulous program that you can check out. Thank you guys so much for joining me. Thank you. The power of the Midwest compels us. Do I do that? I've never been a top. You have a special pink. Everything. Oh, yeah. I have this pink side and then you guys are on the devil side. Doing that pink like in your house. Yeah, everything's pink. Oh, I love it. You like it. I do. I've never gotten sick of it. You're runner. I can't run anymore because of my arthritis. It's a whole thing. We can't talk about me on the show. Oh, yeah, we got about you. OK, OK, OK. I don't have arthritis, but I do have. I did have a ripped butthole for a couple of I'll get your number and I'll text you on my questions. Have a look at that. Please don't. OK. Bye. Bye.