Ali Siddiq

Guys, hi, my guest today is real funny. Can you sense the tone that I'm like real funny implying that maybe some of the people I've had on aren't real funny? He's uh, he's got eight specials. What are we coming with eight? Is that where we're at? Nine. Nine. Nine specials on YouTube. He's literally, when they talk about getting it out the mud, this guy got it out the mud. No corporate support. No, literally did it by himself, hand to mouth, Trent warfare, street fighting. He's now on tour. He's on the custom fit tour. And he's doing an arena in Baltimore. I don't think that's going to be that. The only one. I would assume you're doing arenas in a lot of places. Hopefully. Is this Aaron soon? Yeah. So it's the, it's the end of the in the shadows tour. Custom fit starts at eight. Oh, okay. And that's when the arena starts, but it's the same thing. Yeah. You know, just go. I'll, I'll, I'll just go, just hit, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll just hit some, there's going to be stuff at the, in the show notes, click, start clicking shit about Ali. So, um, all right, Ali, here's my feelings about you. I've always thought like, Oh, this guy's interesting. This guy's genuinely interesting, like funny, et cetera, but more than that. Interesting and layered. So what's the short explanation of what your life has been for people who don't, who are completely familiar with you? I think it's just been a, a life's roller coaster, you know, of being ungrateful, then being, having some sort of gratitude and then being ungrateful again and then learning to be more grateful. You know, with, you know, I just, I just spoke about this that, um, every time I buy a pair of Chuck Taylors, I should hug my mom or call her and apologize, you know, for putting her through that type of trauma of unbalanced, you know, thoughts of her son being incarcerated when I could have just accepted the Chucks. I didn't, I didn't need the Bo Jackson's. All right. If you, if you're picking up, he did six years in prison, not like prison. And what you're implanting, what you're saying is it wasn't enough to just wear Chucks, you had to get some fly shit and then you needed money, etc, etc. Which I could have found another way to get money, but that, that was what was presented at the time that you get a bunch of fast money, you know, and slow money as I have found out in comedy, slow money is a little better, lasts longer. You know, you have more fun, you know, and you, you have a little more gratitude. You know, I think that's what the base of me learning is gratitude, you know, having, being grateful for the experience. When were you not grateful? Cause that's, it's funny that you brought that up so quickly. The comedy in the beginning, the stand up and then life in the beginning, you know, those years of, you know, from, like when I could, when I could, when I could, like when I could understand things from like, let's say from eight to like 14, 15, very ungrateful, you know, cause it's not like I wasn't eating. Yeah. You know, that's the thing. So, and, and I had this concept of people like, I grew up poor. When did you know, you know, when did you, when did you know that you didn't have or was it just not enough or did you see somebody and you felt like, okay, I don't have that. You know, cause if everybody is doing the same thing in the place that you are, then how did you know this is what they call poor unless you see somebody else? I thought, I thought my cousins and them were poor. That's no lie. Cause I was, what's the difference? What were they doing that? What was, what made you go like, uh-oh. So Nestle quick, right? Yeah. We always had milk to put that in. Yeah. They would mix it with like water and sugar and make some like little chocolatey, watery drink that that was awful. But I was like, so y'all don't have milk. Like you don't put this in the milk. Like they not, it's just a water thing. It no, it's not a water thing. It says use milk right on the thing. Yeah. No, like man. That's no. They's like, no, no. Not on that. Just how my dad makes it. Like, your dad is insane. Like, you know, with special recipe. You know, like, with manwich. Like, I remember my stepdad used to try to just put ketchup in onions and ground beef. He was like, oh, this is manwich. No, it's not manwich. It's a can. And it tastes different. And it's sweeter. Manwich with powder, right? No, it was in the can. You pour, make ground beef, and then you pour the manwich sauce. Oh, right. And then you make the hamburger. I was like, man, like, my mom never did this. And I was like, like, if she just worked, she just worked two jobs and went to school. It's like, it's not like you're not eating. It's just we weren't eating the exact. And we didn't live in, like, I remember living in some terrible apartments. And my mom was like, oh, we only had temporarily. Like, she knew that this was a temporary situation. So then we moved to some better apartments. Then we moved to some better apartments. And I got in trouble when we was in the best apartments. And then I really started getting in trouble when we moved in the house in a nice neighborhood. That's not that's not supposed to happen like that, right? Yeah, I'm thinking in my mind, like, really, when I look back on it, like, so you selling drugs and you live in a house and you go to a highly academic school, you know, it's not like you go to school. And your sister's a G. What was it, puberty? I don't know. It's outside. Do you know what I mean? But it's like 14. I was when you started fucking around, right? I wasn't strong enough to mentally to be outside, to be my own person. Yeah, I think that's what it was. You were just flopping around in the win. Just in the wind, you know, just not really trying to figure out what manhood was and hanging around the wrong people who were portraying to be men when you like, but you still seeing real men, dudes who worked and had and went to real jobs. And, you know, that's the thing. It's just skewered thinking of what manhood was and then wanting to be the back wanting to be the bad guy. Being the streets like goofy as hell. You think about it. Your dad. But so your dad was a hustle drug dealer, right? No, my dad owned a carrier service down there. What's the story about you? But he sold a pot of cocaine. It's so my dad started his carrier service downtown with his friend named Ivory. So this is before the people on the bikes. This in Houston? Yeah, before fax machines and all this stuff. So they would carry legal documents from businesses and lawyers and they would have to get signed and know the rise and all this stuff. Right. So they had these blue bank bags locked in like attorneys would have cash money then like everybody moved cash. They would take cash and very trustworthy. But these guys were snorting powder. The delivery guys. The. The. The attorneys got it. They were snorting powder and all these businessmen was snorting powder. So my dad was like, you know, I sell them some powder. Yeah. They on my route. I'm on my marida, you know, so he used to put cocaine in these little brown vials where people used to, you know, and he was in it in that atmosphere. It's like they still was like the seventies. Like they were still like in that studio 54 type air. So it's not powder. He never sold crack. He just sold powder when it was expensive. You know, Coke wasn't plentiful at that time. It was like, yo, you to be snorting Coke, you had to have money. So it wasn't a. It's funny because both these stories, your story and your dad's story is not. It's not like the. We didn't have anything and we had to scrap and claw and and sell drugs. And it's like, no, you were doing pretty good. My dad was doing. Then my dad living this high rise. Um, first time I saw a window that was like from the bottom, always to the top upstairs, he stayed in this nice condo on Guffton Street called Guffton in Houston upstairs, downstairs, loft type. It was really nice. My dad had a motorcycle Yamaha going. He had a Z 28. He had this car from Germany. And then he had a Pujo. It was saying like he was doing really good in his carrier business. But Pada cocaine, he started selling that alone and with a long speed. Hmm. So, because you mentioned pills. Yeah, he's doing these pills. Like, it's like, okay, but it's not like that was his mainstream income. That was like an X 15%. Yeah. Like, you know, like him, I never get. He didn't get caught. Did he? No, never got caught with drugs, nor did James and I were there with his boys that would help him with it. Like my dad didn't need to do it. But then what happened is down the line, you know, he probably put some on his gums one time. And I remember my dad, I was already selling drugs and you were selling cracker just I was uncracked. Yeah. So it's, I'm like, maybe 17. Are you going to school in some kind of way? I'm always going to school. It was no other place to go but the school. That's the only, that's the only place you get floss at school. You're like the third person. Somebody said they used to go to school just to like, what's up? Like socialize and girls and shit. That's why I was going. I'm going to go to school. It's like, you like, you like school. Yeah. But now I got money at school. Shrimp baskets for everybody. It's a different ball game. No, I'm a officer somewhere. I remember, I remember pulling up at the school. Oh, you guys, are you going to trim baskets for the, for the house? Yeah. Hey, shrimp basket everybody. My whole team, shrimp baskets. You know what I'm saying? And I remember coming to home, coming and I had this little short mink on. And I was in a, you had a mink. Yeah. A little short mink. A little short. Wet the beak a little bit. Yeah. It was, it was wild. I was wild as hell in high school. I was wild. How much did the mink cost? 800 bucks? Back then it was like six, seven hundred dollars. It was like a mink jacket had leather right here. And it's on the, on the, right here on the collar. It was leather on the sleeve, leather, but all the rest of it was mink. It was black. I love that jacket. The jacket was crazy. Now I think. Were you getting girls? What? I was getting girls way before that, though. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was all right a little dude. I was a breakdown. So I'm saying no more. You know, you can spin. You're good. Yep. Take out the cardboard. Yeah. But you were around the same age telling people what it was like to see break dance in the first time. It was, I'll never, I'm still like, what, what are you doing? The worst part of that is when people wasn't in the era and then they try to, Oh, I was the right, you didn't, you wasn't there and it's okay that you wasn't there. You know, I wasn't in the seventies. I, as much as I liked the seventies, I wasn't there. Yeah. You know, I didn't listen to the Vesta. And that wasn't, that wasn't an disco era. No matter what my dad was doing, I wasn't there. My dad explained to me one time that it's a, it's a huge difference between knowing about it and being there. Yeah. And he, and he, because he know my favorite artist is Marvin Gaye. And he's like, you know everything about Marvin Gaye, but you've never seen him. Yeah. And I was like, okay, huge difference. And then I think I got back at him later because I'm friends with George Clinton. Right. And like my dad loved Parliament, loved Parliament, loved P-Funk. What's literally what's not to like. Yeah. And I was like, Hey, remember what you told me about Marvin Gaye? I said, you know everything about P-Funk, but you never met George Clinton. And I like know him and he knows me. But he doesn't know you. He's not even curious. It don't know anything about you, sir. Um, but I think that when you were in the era of it and people try to pretend as if they know it just irks you. Cause if you in your 40s, I'm 52. I was 12 when you were born. Yeah. You're not, if we're not close to the same, I don't care how many cousins you have. You're not the same as me. Cause I was around for real. Like I, I understand things a little bit more cause I was around. I would never try to explain to my mother about what was going on in 73. I was born in 73. She was already. She had problems. 20. Yeah. He was saying she had my sister already. Yeah. She had my sister already. Yeah. All right. So you're, you're, so you, because I think whenever I, I know guys that are like clearly intelligent, right? Like you read intelligent. You speaking to, and then you get, you're selling drugs. And I always think like, so to hear you say that you didn't have to sell drugs. It wasn't like, you know, rats and roaches. I wasn't, I wasn't. It was like, it was, it was a, it was a choice. Yeah. Good schools. Good. So, and it isn't, and it was, is it ego? Is it just simpler? Is it just, is fast money? Just fast money, trying to really. Projecting really just projecting something that I'm really not even about that kind of makes you something that you're not about late on. Like I wasn't really quiet, jovial kid. Then next thing I know, I'm a little more violent and volatile than I should be. Only because I'm being shaped by what I'm doing. Right. You know, and I wasn't like this when I was playing football. I wasn't like this when I was playing basketball. I wasn't like this when I was playing. I ain't gonna seek outside my friends. It's like this occupation is changing the spirit. My whole everything. So then when you get incarcerated, slow down. How do you, how do you get caught? And did you, because you say in the special, like you're the gunner, you're going to jail early or later. Yeah. If you deal drugs. Guys, this episode is sponsored by better help. Uh, financial stress. It can affect us more than you know. It's like a background app that never turns off. 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Said then my partner called me. It was like, Hey, need you to make this one run with me. I was like, man, I'm pretty good. He's like, I just make this one run me. You know, we're going to split the bread. Oh, I'm like, all right. How much? It was a split of 92 grand, you know, between me and him. But I'm already I'm already good. Yeah. What were you going to? What was what were you planning for your life? Man, I was in college. So I was like, yo, finish school and the crazy thing crazy. I'm 19. Getting ready to be 19. I am on the verge of I'm either be a Navy SEAL or a fireman at this time. Like I'm like, I'm going to get get something to do something else. You don't need to go to school for eight or less. Okay. Just want to why why Navy SEAL and why not cop? Is the Navy SEAL not a cop for the world? If you if however you look at it, all I know is Navy SEAL sounds sexy. No, no, of course. Navy SEAL like you when I say I'm a Navy SEAL, that is a whole different part of the game. Yeah. Thanks. It just sounded better. And my sister went to the Navy. Okay. So my sister was going to the Navy, but I'm I'm going to school because of different world for sure. Literally the sitcom different one. Yeah, for sure. Going to school. And then I wanted to be I wanted to join a fraternity was crazy when I saw them. I'm like, all right, I'm like, I got money. I'm cool. I'm at Galveston for Memorial Day. This is where I'll. This is where everybody go. And then definitely all the big time drug dealers, we go to Memorial. Memorial Day, we at the beach, we at Galveston. Because this is one like it's just this is when it's the it's the Seawall. This is when everybody bring their cars out. God, it's a it's a it's a thing. It's a thing. All right. So I got I have a BMW 533 white. What kind of champagne? Okay. No, this is this is when we didn't ride tent. We didn't do tent back then. It just hadn't taken off yet. No, you wanted people to see who was in the car. Did you have the this is another thing that if you weren't there, did you have the neon under the? No, I remember that. Yeah, my boy had the neon on this truck. I was like, I was always and I'm like this now, I just keep my car like it comes. I buy it like it is. I don't put no system in it because it's already a system in it. I don't put no different wheels on it. I may get a different tire, but that is about it. I'm not. Will you get rims when you say tire? It's going to come with rims. OK, I'm just going to get some Michelin's. Just a better tire just for wear and tear. It's a better tire, but. I'm not doing anything to the car. It's like, I don't want it. I want it back. Responsible flossing. I want I want better radials. I want a factory. You know, I just want the car factory because I'm a by night. I'm going to buy the car that I want. Like, yeah, like now I have the car that I want and it looks. Like it looks and it's and it's and it's nice when I pull up. It's not like people like, oh, OK, like, yeah. Are people are impressed? Oh, yeah, they always impressed. Great. Like when I when I pull up, I got to think in you live in Houston, right? I got to think you're in the top five. Valley favorites. Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm I go to have three because I don't even know who else is it. Maybe who wants to be in it? And it's some people that's going to be in it. But I'm I'm definitely when I pull up my car, they go, you know, how they park all the good ones in the front. I'm definitely, of course, is Katie in the top three thing now? Kevin Durant, he may be. But you know, but you got slim. Slim is definitely going to be in the top three. You got you got Jay Prince. You got. Oh, yeah. You got a lot of rappers. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. You got a lot of rappers. Then you have some people that that's very unassuming. Who's slim? Slim Thug. Oh, yes. OK. He's got a fleet of cars. OK. And he's, you know, anyone I'm going to be in the front. Do you tip? Would it 50 or 100? Depends on where I'm at. It depends. If I'm at the mall, 50, 50. Yeah, I'm at a restaurant. 100. Yeah. Because you got a girl. Is are you married? Yeah. OK. It's just I don't I knew what the system was. And I don't know why. I don't know why you give 50 them all in 100 at the restaurant. But I agree. Yeah. It doesn't. There's no logic. It's no logic to it. But it's just it's just it works. It's an unwritten rule because they're on a date at the restaurant. It's more sophisticated. It's something suave and going somewhere nice. You know, you're at State 48. Yeah. You know, someone like that, which we definitely going to state 48. Sure. Yeah. I'm not hard to find a Houston. Sure. In state for the third or Wednesday. Great. OK. So so you get your you you go for what's the word where do you guys go to get the. Now, we had to do the run. So what is it you got? What do you got to do? Just drop five kilos off to somebody in Houston in Houston. I'm with him and half hour drive, something like that. I just know when we left the house, I was like, I mean, it's still a lot of police, kind of like around. Like, I, you know, I wouldn't normally see this many police cars. And it wasn't a thing where you were especially attuned to police because you got five kilos. Yeah, I wouldn't be thinking about it. But now I'm like, it's kind of a lot of cars. Like, it's a lot of like we and I'm sitting in like random places. I'm like, oh, that's odd. OK, that's odd. So we get to the drop off place. We are we in different. If I may, where did you pick it up? Is it a residential? We at the house. OK. Somebody's house. We at his house. OK. Leaving his house. We in the ashtray van with me and Bo. Astro van, I mean. And then we stopped transferred to his car in in Trump. And he had a E-series Benz light blue. So he got it. So he's going to not come to the parking lot, but we are. But we going to the meeting place. I my job is always go count the money first and make sure everything is straight. Where do you do that? At the hotel, where we was supposed to meet them at. OK. OK. So he knows two things are going to happen. If it's a bad situation. What is your I just going to ask? Well, it's like, what's the name? Not a nice like a day. No, no, no, no, it's like a motel. All right. I'm thinking, well, I can't even remember the name of the joint. Motel six or something like that. It's some weird hotel. You know, we back in and me and Mo together and we go in the room. And I remember when I think back on it, I remember and I should have known, but I did know. I asked to use a bathroom in the room. I'm like, you know, let me use your restroom. And he's like, because I always would anytime I would come into a hotel, I'm always going to check the bathroom because somebody trying to jack us or something. Right. But we don't have nothing with us. You know, they could just come to the counter money, make sure the money's there. But if I sense that it's a problem, I'm going to shoot first and ask questions later. Mm hmm. And because I in my mind, I would I would leave everybody in this room and then in the money. I'm not I'm not murdering y'all. I'm it's going to be a self-defense thing. Like, you know, I think they was trying to jack me. I left the money and everything. So I didn't I wasn't killing them for the money. So I'm like this, I'm like, let me use restroom. Oh, I told is out of order. They got them. I mean, I'm like, why would y'all be here with the Toyota? I don't know. Whatever. And I'm keep looking at the light. This is because the light is in the bathroom zone. And I'm like, let me see a shadow. But then when I'm talking to them, they step in front of me. So I can't see the bathroom anymore. What are your rights at this point? Could you have walked and gotten away with it? Right. So I hadn't done that yet. Right. So when they put the money out, like this, the money X, Y, Z. OK, so I when I go in the bag, get the money. I was thought flipping through the money. I was like, yo, what's these numbers on this money? I didn't bank numbers. They come from the. Where are the numbers? They are on the bottom, like right up under what the numbers would be. On this on money. Yeah, there's some other numbers that's on the money. And I was like, I said, what is number? I didn't bank numbers. This money came from the Franklin Bank. So when I always. I'm drugged your money. When I think about collectors, Franklin Bank, right? It starts, you know, one. Franklin is the county jail in Houston. So yeah, they run the Sting operation. They would get it from Franklin Bank. What they hold drug money. So are you what's your stress level at this point? No, I'm more just like disorientation or like vague, like what the fuck's going on? I'm chilling right now because I'm taking the money out of the bag because I want to see. And then when I look at the money, I start putting the money back in the bag without even counting. I put the money back in the bag. Not going to take just random knocks, which is letting mode know which is the signal, hey, we finna get out of here. These are police. So I put the money back in the bag. I saw we good. And they like you take the money or not. Y'all hold it. Walk out. I tell Moe say, hey, when you walk down the Charles. Tell him not to come to this parking lot. And then when you come back, then we'll drive off because this is the police. But before that, when we were sitting in the diner with it, because what we were the hotel is, we were sitting in the diner with other people and I asked, I said, why ain't nobody checking out at this motel? Like, ain't nobody checking out what time of day was it? It's just like 12 30. Yeah. I said, nobody's checking out. Y'all notice that nobody's checking out? It's not even is that the kind of thing you would notice. Yeah, because I'm I'm I'm always been. I'm the most observant of the team. So I'm like, nobody's checking out. And y'all noticed that there is no cleaning lady. Like going up because the outside was a note. There's no cleaning person. I mean, you just know I'm like, I'm OK, whatever. So you went to the diner to like, no, we was waiting on the people to tell us what. No, I'm saying beforehand. You went to the diner to like, just we just waiting in there. Like, got it. Whenever they tell us what the whole what room they in. So once they told us the room, we moved down. So we backed up. I backed the the Astrovan up so I could see the room. Because I didn't want them to be behind me. So I want to see the room. Mo was walking. This is the story that I get after the melee happens, right? So I'm sitting there. I've packed up things, getting things out the way in the in this Astrovan, because we got to get out of here. I see Charles pulling his car into the parking lot. I'm like, but he's too far away for me, for me to say anything. And I'm like, what is going on? And I'm like, he gets out, he opens the trunk and the guy who looks in the door, because he has on the hat. Never forget. Did one of the cops? No, the guy who the informant that didn't set us up, that he's supposed to be buying a drug for. Yeah. He had got shot in the past and had a hold through his jaw that had healed up. So this dude, this is when it went crazy. So I'm in the driver's seat, you know, Astrovan. You can turn and run straight all the way through the back because it's captain seats. And we had the seats moved. And I when that dude, when Charles opened the trunk, that dude did like this and took his hat off. Like very unnatural move. Like, are you like blown away by this much dope or something? Like, wow. I'll leave you down as dope. Show us some respect. So. I take off running through the Astrovan and jump out the back double doors over this fence because I knew I knew what happened. I knew it. So it's like. So didn't you. So your friend, who you said, go tell when you go to him. I'm going to get to that. Sorry. This is what when he took that hat off. To signal that the dope was in that trunk. Just imagine 60 people all of a sudden being in this room. Like somebody come from out of the curtains. Somebody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some might come from on this table. Yeah. Cops are coming. Feds are coming from the feds. They are coming from everywhere, every place out of cars, out of many coming out of the ice machine. They come out of everything. So I jump over the thing and I thought they didn't see me. So I'm running through this field and Charles managed to jump in his car and now he got them on a high speed chase. Everybody else is caught. So I'm on foot. Charles in the car. They didn't see me. Where they have them. When did they get you? They did. It was a good. It was a good little chase. I really was making it happen. Were they on foot? They was on foot with me, but I was Barry Sandner and the shit out of these guys. How'd they get you? Oh, so it's this it's this bayou, right? Houston is known to buy you. So I'm just trying to make this bayou because in my mind, once I get to this bank, I'm going to swan dive off this bank into this bayou. I'm going to float my way back to freedom. Yeah. New Orleans. Yeah. I'm out. So this this fair, he running, got on too much stuff and he grabbed my collar, my shirt and I don't any fail. He's tumbling. You can see him tumbling. I get it. Are these black guys chasing white guys? White. And so there's other guy. He's right in front of me and I juke him and he is out the way and I'm running and I'm thinking I got it. And I did not see this one angle in with me and with that but that rifle. Boom. Gone down where to get you face. It's like rounds out of head with the right then. It's like it's like he must have been like a former rodeo cowboy or something because when I fell and I'm rolling, he is like hawked. I mean, at the second. It's like so when they bring me back over, so they packing me back and they literally throw me back over the fence and my shoulder lands on the thing that stops the cars, the cement thing that stops the cars and I'm in the they got me in the in that room. Did I say the bathroom that somebody was the bathroom? That's not working. Oh, man. There wasn't was it on order after all. They got me in there and I never forget it, man. This little small white guy, this big beard walks in and he says, I'm not the goddamn police. I'm not a sheriff. I'm the fucking fish. Boom. And you're going to tell me who was in that car. And I was like, no, pretty much not going to tell you that. Boom. Like right hands to the job. I'm like, man, I box this. This is my mind. Like, yo, man, I box like Golden Glove style. Are you cuffed? You're cuffed behind. I'm cuffed and he's sitting on the. Sitting on the toilet toilet. And he. But I'm listening to the chase. Charles is going ham. He's doing a good job. What do you mean? You're listening to one on the radio. On the radio. On the whole thing. He is going ham. He's running ass to death. But they got the helicopter. They got he on this road called Liberty Road. Going too fast, losers control and flips his car. And that's how they get him. And I'm like, they got him. And I'm sitting in the back of the car now and Mo is in another car. And I'm like, right. So when they take us down, I had to go to the infirmary. And take me to the hospital. I'm kind of beat up a little bit. You got a couple punches. So I'm butt and a shoulder. Next, Charles goes to the infirmary. So we don't go to court for we don't get a rain for like two days. So when we finally get a rain, we get a rain together. How many people are in the infirmary? Just being Charles. This is at county jail. At county jail, you know. So we're not there at the same time. We just I just know that Charles had to go to the infirmary. So we get to court for the first time. This is my first time seeing Charles and Mo. And I'm like, yo, why did you come in a parking lot? He's like, what? I said, why did you come to the parking lot with the dope? Because I told Mo to tell you don't come to the parking lot because it was a cop. So that's how we say it. And I'm like, well, what the fuck did he say then? And he's like, Mo to my man, your boy nervous. He's saying he's thinking it's the face, but it's good. I said, but his mo in the most in the room with him. So I said, well, what made you think I was what made you think I was nervous? And then. Charles, why was you listening to him? Because you I've been down with you since I was 14. Why the fuck are you listening to him? Because he's broke. He's broke. He's broke. And his mind is I'm going to get a portion of his money, but he's broke. Yeah. Like I said, you you're fucking crazy. Like and when you when you ever even know me to be nervous, what am I nervous? What am I? What would I be nervous about? So we figured out why he was in the parking lot. And I'm pissed at him. I still don't talk to him until this day. Um, I don't talk to Charles to this day because he's lost his goddamn mind. Be be on that. Or you're still lost his. I haven't spoken to Charles. In probably like eight years because of a situation that happened between me and him on something I wasn't even trying to do. Like his his daughters with at this club that I used to do this comedy room at. But there there are another night I wouldn't do a car. Just came up there. Say having a party and I know this, you know, and I can see how I can take this wrong. Whatever dude carries out the cake is the dude that the ladies mess with. No, no, no, dude, let's anybody else carry the cake out. You see, like if your wife is having a party at the club, you're probably going to carry the cake out. It was saying, but this is his ex-wife and I'm I'm getting ready to leave the club and his daughters and his ex-wife Roxanne are all leaving. And they had this huge ass cake. And I was like, at least you let me you want me to carry the cake out for you? I'll put it in the in the car. And I'll thank you. So I'm carrying the cake out, put it in the car. And the next thing I know, I wake up to my phone going off. And I answer the phone. You know, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm like, yo, what is you know who the fuck is the fuck is you carrying out of the cake, man? Basically, like fuck you, you can't get cake. Cake fun shit. Who you trying to you trying to book my ex-wife? I said, Charles. Yeah, I say, hey, man, I'm just fucking being nice, carrying out the cake. Don't carry out no mother fucking cake no more. I'm like. And then it snapped in my head like. Yo, who the fuck is you talking to? I say, I say, man, remember, remember, remember this? Remember what I used to do for our crew? I do that for me and only me and my family. If you say something else fucking crazy, when you call my phone again. Yeah. And he's like, you just don't be caring about the mother fucking cake and you hung up on me. Like, yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, like, I'm talking insane, man, about a gig. So I like Charles is fucking crazy. And then I heard after that, he like, got busted with some doing some crazy shit with a dealer with some game consoles or something. Got popped again. Like we're all over the place. Let's stay all over the place. What do you think of violence? Because you seem in the special I saw, I've watched one special of a part four. There's for Domino effect. There's four parts. I watched part one between that and this conversation and what you used to what you quietly did for the crew. You seem pretty comfortable with violence or or at home or not. Well, you just think it's a part of life. No, I actually you got shot. And wait, you shot somebody. So remember, but have you been you just I. Yeah, OK, go on. This is me with with with violence. I've never in 52 years, I've never started a fight. I've ended a lot of them, but I've never started one. So I take it like this. If you're bothering me, which is a person that is not bothering you, I take it like this, that you're trying to force your will on me. And I have to. Show you why that's not a that wasn't a smart decision. And that's where I'm typically at, because I'm not going to start it. Never have. But if you if you put me in that position, I'm more angry that you are putting me in this position because you're making me something that I'm really not and you're putting me in this position. So I'm going to feel extremely bad afterwards. But I'm going to protect myself and protect my interests. And I'm going to push the I'm going to push the line because it's a different. Are you are you like you're sending a message? Yeah, man, it's it's like I'm a different. You know, I watched this movie one time on the Iceman. The HBO one. Yeah, I got the it was documentary. Yeah, yeah, the documentary Iceman. It's about a guy. He was a contract killer for the month contract killer for the month. But other than that, he was a pretty nice guy. Yeah. I will say I didn't I resented how like I'm just a regular guy. It's like dog. But he he was to his family. I'm with you. His family never his family never thought anything. His family was like, yo, he's a good guy. And the part that I resonate with was this. Remember the the three he's because he he didn't want to he killed other bad people. The part the one the ones that he had a problem with was the three college boys. Remember the three colleges? The one that he was just he was driving. Dudes playing with him on the road. And he was like, yo, man, just just go on. Yeah. And they kept trying to like play with him on the road with a van. And so they stopped. And he couldn't get by. He's like, yo, man, just why don't you all just go like why y'all doing this? And he got out. Yeah. And if there was those you can see in his face, these were the three people that he killed that he just didn't want to. And I and I think about it all the time, like, yo, man, I don't want to do nothing to you. That's not my that's not my goal. But if you. If you think that is sweet. OK. But it's nobody that was locked up with me that would tell you that they was like, are you talking about him? Are you you wild as hell? If you think that you think that you're going to run over him, you're crazy as all out though. Like. It's people in here to tell you like, no, that's who. Because I was like that. I was like this. I like that in in prison. Yeah, I was like this. Hey, man, I'm I'm I'm cool, bro. Like, but who are you talking to, though? Yeah. And it's only like one or two times I really had to really put my foot down because I was I was too relaxed. And then you like, man, you know, I know you're not trying to do this with me. Yeah. And I take it back to life, the movie life, one of the one of the movies that I respect because it depicted things correctly. When I ask people about life, when they look at the movie, I'm like, who do you think was the most formidable opponent in life? And most people always say tiny. Who was beaten up Eddie Murphy? I said, that's what you think it was. The most vulnerable, the most formidable, formidable. Yeah, I said, that's what you think it was. Tiny. I said, so I says, when tiny was beaten up Eddie, somebody said that's enough. That's it. Man, it's taken enough of a beating. And then it stopped. Right. Immediately. Yeah. Who was it? Who was it, Bernie? No. That's enough. It was the guy who was telling the story of the Indian. My I have two things I want to say. The best part of life is the blooper. Where Eddie has goes, this is my watch. This ain't my daddy's watch. Fucking should have been the funnier than the whole movie. I OK, you say in your special, a guy punches you in the face at 15, a guy who's six four, two forty Quincy Quincy punch you in the face. You then see him later, shoot him. Yeah. OK. Then you see him at prison. Can't believe you're alive. Can't believe he's alive. No one can. You hit him with a brush. Shit a brush. Shit a brush. Which is is that that's more humiliation, right? No, this brush is this brush is heavy. But you yeah, you you can hurt. Yeah, you hurt people with this brush. This is what we clean the toilet with. And it's made out. It's made out wood. It's a real heavy brush. OK. And I don't know why they're giving prisoners. Because you got to kill the toilet. But you move on to hard plastic. They moved on to plastic after the wood. They moved on to plastic. And the plastic was still a bad look. Well, it's a long. They're going to turn it into something. Yeah, we're going to turn this shit into something. Then you see him at Walmart and you get ready to jump. OK, so with my mom, right. So I don't know if that's consistent with what you just told me. Is that is are you going to rain down violence on Quincy until literally he apologized? I see double out of my eye every direction besides straight because of him because of him. Yes. I was 15. Yeah. You a grown man. Yeah. When you hit me and you snuck me from behind. You broke five bones in my face. Yeah, I get it. I had to have surgery. It's I it's I'm absolute. I am very similar. I think I think I'm OK with with OK. OK, I can say I'm OK, but I haven't seen him since Walmart. But I think I'm all right. I think I'm I think I'm if I spoiler alert in Walmart. He's in a walker and finally goes like, I'm sorry, I was on crack. OK, so I'm with you. I think I'm what are you? What are you? Who was that for? Who's that? Because you're not sending a you're sending a message to Quincy. It's for Quincy, Quincy, Quincy. He got to understand that what he did was so foul that I never I've never snuck anybody. I'm always give you the fair fight. If I lose, I lose, but I'm not going to sneak a god dang on kid from behind. It's like I know I know I'm I know I'm I is selling dope. But damn, I'm my back is turned. It was what Quincy did was wrong. Definitely wrong. But what I'm saying is you got a little sympathy for Quincy. No, I have I have all the sympathy. I'm arguing with myself because I'm a I wake up with grudges just like you do. So so. But I'm trying to talk myself out of them because I because I literally go, this is self care. I'm protecting past Neil from and and and I'm that there's some cosmic justice that I'm dispensing on people. And when I that's why I'm asking about violence, like, what are you? I don't want to do it. That's the bottom answer is I don't ever want to really be violent. You would have to push me to that that point and because I walk away from it. Now, if you. It's it's ways to to to get your feel if that's what you try to do, but I'm going to generally walk away from something. But if you, if I feel like you're trying to. Intimidate me or. Push me in a corner or if you have, say if you have other people with you. Now you have piqued my interest. Because now I want to I want to show you the difference between you. So you think your people are going to stop what's going to happen? That's what you that's what you think. So they'll stop eventually. You have put these people in jeopardy. Yeah. And I'm going to rain on these people as well. And I got to tell you, I don't I'm and I'm nice, man. I'm I'm not in it. I probably just don't talk to people a lot. I don't I stayed to myself because I don't want that. I have a problem with with it's hard for me to be out here in. California, so I have to deal with industry people. And I hate that he was right, but he was so did Gregor is so right when me and him talk, he was like, yo. You're going to have to. Do a lot of self work on yourself when it comes to dealing with the industry because you are too volatile. Because you stand on manhood. Right. And you're not going to be able to. Listen to bull and be OK. So I'm trying to tell you, you have to just yourself. And I'm like. And I'm cool. Man, this old man. And then. Then. I'm I'm a straight shooter. Say no. Cool. I'm cool with no. I don't need your phone number. I don't need to pretend in front of people that we cool. I don't need none of that shit. I'm good. If you over there, I'm over here. Fine. I don't have no problem with you being over there. Just don't have no problem being over here. I don't don't say no shit about me. That's not true. And then it get back to me and I'm like, the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. Did you did you get that from me? Because I don't have no problem telling you anything. But it's like, yeah, I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I was I was and I was just got a name. Her that lives here that people know her. We was at this thing for Malika S. And Tisha Tisha on Tashina Tashina. She doesn't respect her beautiful black queen. Go ahead. She wanted to she wanted to get my attention. And he touched me. And I turn like. And why are you what's all the touching about? Bro. What she she wanted to I said, so what's wrong with my name? You don't know my name? You could just simply said Ali and I would have turned around. But don't man, don't put your hands on me. The fuck? I thought about it the next day. And then I DM'd him. And I said, man, let me let me apologize to you. Because you don't know that I don't I don't like people touching me. You have no idea. So and then you touch me right on my brand. You tap you tap me on the brand is on my arm. And then you tap me on my arm that's surgically repaired. So sometimes my arms still be numb. It's just tingling feeling from them putting a cadaver tendon in my arm. The nice people in prison. No, and when I was surfing, I did it in 24. So it's not. It's healed. No, it's healed. But it's still. Yeah, it'll never be the same kind of thing. Yeah. So when he touched me, I say, I just explain to me. You don't understand that. And you don't know that you didn't know that. But so I'm very aggressive when it comes to this type shit. So let me apologize. Because, you know, I didn't mean to harm. I don't think you meant no harm, but I'm not with the touch and shit. And he's like, man, am I bad? You know, I didn't know. I said, cool, cool. But if you take that wrong and say something about me after I've already apologized about it, then I'm like, the fuck. Yeah. And. All right. Well, here's what I want to ask you. So you're you're one kind of kid at 14, right? Very Joe. Then you start Jovial. Just regular sweetheart, a kid, more or less, right? I'm assume then you start, you get on the street and you get darker. People try to take advantage of you. Right. You get darker. Then you go to prison and I'm assuming you get. Twice, three times as dark. First two years. That's where the darkness first two years. I was a freaking wild man. And then what do you mean by that? Oh, yeah. Like if you wanted to fight or you wanted, you want to do anything, I'm with it. Like I'm I'm with it. It's like in my mind, I got to. It's like my you got to establish your it's like my first year of high school. Yeah. I got I got to establish who I am. You know, I got to make the varsity team. It was varsity of violence. I got to let it be understood like, hey, I'm not I'm not nothing to play with. Then. Blackshire, got old cat named Blackshire. It's like he wanted to talk to me because he was trying to get the young people to stop fighting so much. How often do you fight? Oh, every chance I get once a month. What's that? Not like every every three days. This this unit is a it's a wild place. And are you getting like you're getting at it under your sentence or just like? No, people fighting break it up. People don't know God don't know everything that's going on. Oh, so just like Peter's self. Yeah, yeah. And it's a good it's a good it's a good time. It's a good time to show. It's an afternoon show. Because people calling people out what you what you want to do. I'm like, whatever you trying to do. It was a so Blackshire. They the old old guys get this thing unbeknownst to me. There's old guys like, yo, we need to try to get this unit control for all these young people fighting and Blackshire said, well, the first person we got to get is him. And he's like, who the little one? Yes, the one who just threw the basketball over the goddamn fence. And I'm on the court and I'm arguing somebody. I'm like, I don't know about this, but I threw the show. And I'm like, see, this is who this crazy as man is who I get because they literally listen to him. That gets a star. That gets a star. So they talk to me. And I'm I'm laughing all the way through the conversation. Like, I don't give a shit about what they talking about. But it's just dude named Malik. Oh, man, I never get Malik Malik short. And he's like Barry Sanders built like he's a train. He had muscles on his head. And he was like, yo, man, let me tell you something. Either you're going to listen to what we say and somebody is going to kill you in this prison from all this shit you do. And I was like, are you out of somebody? And he's like, no, we're not the goddamn somebody. You think it's a game? I'm like, no, I'm just asking what is the who the somebody's? He's like, he's explained to me about. Make doing time the right way. So I kind of I kind of chilled out. What did you think your life was going to be? That's what I never said. I didn't. So you're 18, 19, 15. 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So I bought some. I left them in LA. I'm currently in New York. They came on as a sponsor. I again, I'm manifested and they sent me a bunch the other day and they have gummies and I took one and it I swear to God, it worked like a bit of a micro. It was like it calmed my brain down. It like made it a little just more chill, which I can use. You've you've seen me. You've seen what I do. Yeah. And it's legal. So it's called Amonita, Moschera. It's a red mushroom. You've seen it your whole life and you assume it was either deadly or a Mario thing. It's neither psychoactive, but not a psychedelic. No visuals, no ego dissolution. Womp, womp. None of that. The active compound hits your GABA receptors, which is the part of your brain responsible for making you feel like everything isn't on fire, which is getting harder to do. But I swear to God, I took one last week and I promise you it worked. 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And then and I stood that, that would, I wouldn't jade it at that time still, you know, I'm, I'm still kicking on my people, but that my turning point was in Domino effect too. People who've seen it, my turning point was my sister died, my baby sister died. And that's when I really got bad. Like I was, I was bad. I was bad news at that time. In, in prison. No, I was in the street. Oh, before I was 18. Ah, got it. Got it. So this is the, this is who I go pick up every day from school and walk home with them. You know, this is my baby sister and you know, she ate, you know, so when she passed, I was, I was depleted. Like I didn't have anything. Like I was probably the darkest. So just like nihilism. I don't give a fuck about, I'll kill. I don't give a fuck. Sam, what's up to me? We'll get you killed at that time. Like what's up? I'm like, what's up with what? Like my, I was purposely didn't have any understanding because I was too wounded and I, and in that special, I kind of dealt with it and explained how bad I was. I'll bet off I was because I didn't realize it. How bad I was. What did you think? Did you, did you think, how did it read? I, I don't give a fuck. Was it, did you ever think I'm sad or it was just, I'm fucked up? What? Um, I think that because I didn't deal with everything at that time. People have no idea that my sister passed months later, my son, my first born son passed and I didn't know it and I didn't even get a chance to go to the funeral or nothing. So I'm like, yeah, I'm shot. Like I don't have no heart. I don't have, I don't have anything. I'm just really gone. But you're still going to school and, and on the street. And well, I'm still, I'm still fucked up. Like I'm really bad off at this time. Yeah. I'm masking a lot at this time. Did, were you drinking drugs? We would, did you do anything with that? I'm drinking none of that. Just like, just in it. Yeah, I'm just in it. You know, at that time it wasn't a, even though I know I could get anything, but no, I wasn't heavy on anything. That was, was my, my coping mechanism. Was there like records you could listen to, movies? You know what I mean? Like what, what captured it? What felt, what's a piece of art or movie or that is like, that's how it felt. It's kind of like when you see Malcolm X or, or Martin Luther King's funeral. How's devastated people are. Yeah. The one for me is when Bobby Kennedy tells the church that Martin Luther King got shot and it's just like you here, just like it's, it's chilling. Some very sad news for all of you. And that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight. You were in that state for months. You know, you know how on the Jefferson's when Martin Luther King, and they just ride, they just start the anger, the outrage, they just start riding. That's what it was like in my head. And at the time, the person who I would lean on, she's, she's, my mom is gone. She's my mom. Worst off, just as bad off. My mom is, my mom is absolutely destroyed. She's destroyed. So you have to support her. I can't, I can't support my mom. I'm, I'm, can you sit there next to her? My mom is gone, bro. My mom is so gone that I would, I would be laying in the bed. My mom would just come and just lay next to me and just cry so hard. Like it was bad. It was bad, man. When I think about it, how my family was just fucked up at that time. And I think we was all just trying to run away from each other, basically. Because it was, it was crazy. If that was, that had to be, and it still is like the worst, just the worst pain that I think I've ever experienced, you know, and it was so bad that my dad, my sister, what, what my dad's daughter, my mom, dad had already been through. I remember walking out of the funeral and my dad was like in a distance. And he was just. Crying, he was just falling. And it was just. It's just crazy. That was like the worst goddamn time. And so me being. Still a kid and very. You know, I'm street savvy. I'm still not emotionally stable at all. Like this is I'm in pain. And my mentality is to afflict the most pain. On people who cross with me or what the business that I'm doing as possible. So. When I got inside, I'm still in that place. By the way, there's probably a lot of other guys in there in a similar place. I'm still in that. In that hurtful place. And I'm like, yo, man, you not. I've already had something taken away from me. You ain't taking shit from me. You ain't taking nothing like you. You you can't take up my time. You can't do nothing. And I ain't think I don't even think dudes was trying. It was like. I didn't seem like the type of person that was a push over. They was like, you know, fuck that little dude because he is the coldness in his face tells it all. Like he is like. What man would what? What's funny is you can still you all this reads on you. Like I can without knowing it, you have like a sadness. And it's like that. It's like what I said, it layered. I didn't know about any of that in particular, but it's just like human, you know, beams one to another. It's like, yeah, that guy's got. That guy's got. A lot of weight and what do you make of that versus the you brought up gratitude and then you and then you get out, start doing stand up and your life. I'm assuming this has got to be around your wildest dreams beyond your wildest dreams. What do you make of it? What do you make of that and this? The happiest I am. Is with my family. Like I like my family really enjoys when I'm around because I'm. The person that I was before 14, eight, 14. And I'm like the weirdest dad. You know, my kids are like our kids, young kids. So how old are your kids from 30 to the five? Like I have my kids and the way I deal with them. Everybody is different. And I have a me with Hanon is different than me with anybody else because Hanon is the one that I talk to about money. He's the old version. She she Hanon. She is. And I talked to her not a lot because I know that I have to instill a lot of confidence in Hanon because she was sick early on. And I know that kind of. Hurt her development or something because she could so many things she couldn't do and, you know, because she was weak and now she's getting stronger and she's tall and she's gorgeous. And I just always want to let her know that, hey, hey, man, you good. You know, and that's what I talk to about money finances. And she's such a pit bull when it comes to money. And I was talking about my silver and by my gold. And and then somebody else walked through and was like, we just both got quiet. Then they left and we start laughing and they know it's just this other thing. And then you I have Helena, Helena. To watch Helena is to get a chance to watch my oldest daughter again. Because these two people have the most determination to do something. Like when they locked in, I remember that my oldest daughter, Jaden, when Jaden figured out that she wanted to be a chef. It was like it's almost like I saw a light bulb over ahead. This is what I'm doing. This is what I'm locked into. And. It matched it matched her. And so she went to culinary high school. All culinary classes, plus our regular classes. And she was a culinary school. Then she went back to school to get a master's in food and science. Then she started. She worked the front of the house of a restaurant. Then she started working in the back of the house restaurant. She was helping open up restaurants. She was buying for other restaurants. Then she got a chance to run her own restaurant. Then two years later, now she owns a restaurant. And I saw the determination. It's kind of like when I started doing stand up. When I got out, I knew this is the road for me. Like they say, don't put all your eggs in one basket. I took all the eggs and cracked them in a basket. Like, though, yeah, yeah, I can't even pick them up no more. They's like, this is where they going. And it's all things comedy for me. And it's all things stand up, you know? So to see Helena. Start first, she went to ice. She got on the ice skating rink. She got to ice skating rink on the Wednesday. Friday, she took a class. Saturday, she was on a team. Sunday, she's being put in the program. That's at five. Now she's eight and we are 11 competitions in. Two silver medals, nine gold. And this is with all these Olympic coaches and watching her like, this is what I do. I skate and this is what I'm going to do. And I'm me watching her determination and. For a little eight, yo, her body feels different. Like she can't when she runs and jump on me. Like, no, it's like catching Barry Sanders. Like, it's like, like, yo, I got to brace myself. Like this is a bowling ball of muscle that because she skates every day. And then the Hassan is very. Now, I know what I want to do. I'm just here. I'm just chilling. And I was like, this is the worst goddamn part of me. Like I'm looking like, yo, son, this is this is not good. This is this is the this is the worst part of your father that ever existed. They're like, man, I don't know what I want. Well, how did you get out? How did you get to the other part? How did you get to the determined part within in your life? Well, I hope that it doesn't take him to go. Like, right. You need to figure it out. Still, we're going to be a Navy SEAL on all that shit. So Hassan says he wants to be a veterinarian. OK, cool. I suppose I'm one of them fathers that. I support whatever you're trying to do for. Don't tell me until you're ready because I'm all in. Like, and whatever you try to do, I'm all in it. We have so much stuff in our house from things that they thought they wanted to do. And I always think about the cars we ever sold. It was like, hey, I want to do this. Like, I mean, remember when you wanted to play? We talked to the next member. You want to play this? Remember you want to do that? And like, that's who. I am when it comes to that. And, you know. I don't know if I'm. Spoiling them. But I don't care. I know that eventually something's going to shake. Will they going to do whatever they choose to do? And I'm just going to be there to support it. And that's my happy space with them. I don't want them to ever go through anything that I went through. Like, I want to show them from all that have your own simple triumphs, trials and tribulations, but don't have no. You don't need to go through no detrimental shit. You don't need to go through no. You don't have to learn by trial and error when I'm telling you. But you also know that they probably do, you know, as a human experience. Is I'm curious about your. What do you make of it in the aggregate? Meaning like you have eight hours and it's mostly stories. I'm a sural stories. You attract these stories. No, I don't whatever. You've been involved in all these stories. You're good at telling them your. Something. There's something. You're there's something special about you. Why? Why do you think that's true? Because I know you know that and I know you. You I look at you and I'm like, sad guy. Belief back against the wall took a chance on himself was right. I wrote this book applied advice. So these are like the 13. Tips that I got from 13 people that. I applied to myself and just say, I gotta add this and need and these things are. Little sparks that when you when you you down and then you get this. Tip bit of information that keep you going to the next level. All right. So Billy D. Washington, longtime great comic. I remember when I was trying to find my voice in comedy and I didn't want to be slapstick. I didn't I just knew that what I was doing wasn't enough for me. Like this is 98 99. Shoot. Shit all the way up to about 2003. You know, my comic view, my comic view appearances, it's like jokes, you know, and I just wanted to be more than jokes and I knew it was something but it was something I didn't know. Because with comedy, I didn't know how to do it. So you just had to you learn how to be a comic. You learn how to be a good comic by being around comics and being in the environment. So you learn it. And when when he out of the blue came to me and said, I only want to take something. I was like, OK, and Billy don't talk to everybody. So I was like, OK, what's up? Say, man, when you're not being funny, be interested. Right. Why? Gone. I was like, oh, shit. Interesting. Like, what's that? Okay. Let me figure that part out. Then the end part that I needed, DL, the other who we have a regular conversation and he says, hey, the funniest you're going to ever be in your life is based on how honest you want to be. That's the other part that I need for the interesting part. Ali, you just going to have to start talking about your life and what happens to you and all aspects. So my two sons is different from the domino effects. I hadn't told a story about being locked up in the 17 years I had been doing comedy up until I was on the show. This is not happening when I did the story about the prison ride. My story is about prison danger, seeing that I look so menacing, you know, and I'm black so he knows it's going to be about crime. I didn't want to get cast typed into all he's a prison guy. So I did the story. Then I did a story about Mitchell. I'm killing Mitchell. I'm not already putting my mind. Then I did a story about mushrooms. The mushrooms. I'm about to be a white man, Billy. So I thought that they understood that I'm more than just these two stories. I'm the mushroom story too. So let me go past it. Then I do a half hour special with conversation. I had nothing to do with prison. Then I do a full hour special where I did the show inside of a prison, but I didn't talk about prison. I did the show inside of a prison. Did you acknowledge you were in prison? Thank y'all for being here. Now it's not like y'all had a choice or nothing. What you gonna do? Send your cell or come to a show. It's free. You already paid the cost to be here. I acknowledge that we was in prison, but I was doing free world stuff in a prison next thing. I was like, you in the club, right? Cut away. Like, fuck. So then Domino Effect comes out, which is really not about prison. Where I went wrong at and started to break down of how life started. So two is about lost. The three is about the first day of school, which is being the first day of being incarcerated after I had been lost. I lost my freedom. Then four pins and needles is me. I got, I'm going to get paroled and I can't tell nobody because I'm not trying to get read. You know, something happened. Something happened and I got to get rebooked or something. I'm not. So now I'm out. Then my two sons, I do my two sons. Before that I did, don't judge a book by its cover. And I did this PTA thing about me being a president of PTA. So then I do my two sons, which is one of the happiest times I've ever had performing. Because it's just me talking about the relationship between me and my two boys. Yeah. And can I ask a question? Are you getting, are the laughs different going from regular stand up to stories? Did you have to get used to like going 40 seconds without a laugh? Because I also, I used to use a chair, sit down, stand. Did you have to like, okay, I have to make it all of this thing? I developed it when I was on the road with DL. You're opening for DL? I was opening for DL from 2006 to mid 2006, all 2007 and 2008. And when I'm over him, Gary Monroe, big shout out to Gary Monroe. Gary Monroe would challenge me. DL, first I would be, I'm doing damn near an hour because it's a two man show. DL ain't there yet. They like me when they get there. And Gary, Gary was like, hey, I bet you won't go without no music. What? I want to say no music. I bet you won't go up there and sit down the whole time. Crazy. Are you scratchy when you're sitting down? You're like, oh man, I want to get up. No, I'm just in it. And I bet you won't tell that story. But I'm like, yes I will. And then DL, he says it. You know the scariest thing about you? Like what? What's wrong with me? Oh man, you're not going to be with me long because you're going to move up. You know what's terrifying about you? Like what? What's going on with that? You are not scared of silence. It's like you fucking live in it. And then boom. He said, I've sat in this green room and I've never worried about you. Like some people will be in the green room. Yeah, it's quiet. It's quiet out there. He was like, and then he said, I've been in the green room, spoken about sick or something. Okay, watch. You finna blow the doors off this shit. Then all of a sudden, boom. What story was he telling? He's like, man, it's crazy how he's doing it. And he would say, I would come out and watch. And he was like, yo, this motherfucker is, yo, Gary, he's not going to be here long. Then I'm gone. Should we raise his pay? No. No, there was another. 2008, I'm gone. He always talked about, I can't afford you now. I was like, yeah, no. In the south as before. So I went on a roll with Bill Bellamy. I hosted his ladies and out tour for a while and I was in and out and I just knew, I felt like kind of like I was losing myself because I'm the host. I'm coming out and I'm being energetic, X, Y, Z, but this is not my show. This is not my show. So when Comedy Central, when I went to Comedy Central 2013, I turned down a bunch of shows they offered me in 2014 because I won their Comedy Central competition. I won that. And they was trying to put me on Adam Devine's Playhouse. So it's a big shout out to a, you know, and I'm still in this mode while I still listen to young comics too. Like I don't just listen to the L. L. Listen to young comics, chase the rules. So hit me and it's like, yo, man, it's a show that you should, that you should be on. And that's, this is not happening. I already fear storytelling show. This is really going to showcase what you really do because I'm in Houston at the Houston Improv going, that's what I'm really doing my shows. Like I'm at home and I'm like, I'm people coming. And man, when I did that show, I was like, yo, man, this is, this is the lane for me. Or like, cause I was like that story was crazy. It just went, I didn't even realize that it was going to do what it did, but it just changed the game for me. So then I got invited again and I did Mitchell and little old ladies would walk up to me in the airport and be like, you should have killed him. I was like, what? Man, what are you talking about? I was like, it's about Mitchell. I was like, I get it. Now this is a thing about, it's not about Mitchell no more. It's about the violation and seeing somebody get back at somebody about being violated because in your mind, you never really know how many women have been violated and never been able to get, get their leg back or rectify. So this was me, them seeing themselves and me based upon this story. I was in the fucking best of an area with my balls lifted up, squatting, letting this fucking child predator look at me. It just dawned on me. This is the lane that you're destined to be in. You have to start doing this. So when I did Domino Effect, the first one and I started out like, and I gave a, I'm 10, it's 1983. I'm 10 and I made this decision that wasn't the best decision. And sometimes people don't have time to sit down and think about their decisions and what got them somewhere. I used to always say when I was locked up, am I the only person in here that's guilty? Cause everybody else was like, I ain't do nothing. I'm like, God, man, I'm the only person in this. So in life, you see, it's seen like, am I the only person that can see why I was wrong at like you can't, you can't see where you may have made a misstep. Nothing. No, it's just, it's just everybody else. So nothing. I can see when I'm wrong without it. Somebody even telling me, I can see it. It sounds like you're more, I mean, it's, there's like the thing, bring your whole self to work. It seems like you bring more of yourself, like your whole, cause you can still, you're doing jokes within these stories. You're doing like, you're basically just doing like observational, you know what I mean? Like the shit about your dad and the potato sack and all that, like whatever the food, like you're just doing material, you're doing clat, whatever, standard observational comedy within there, within. So it's probably like what you were doing on comic view plus it's like comic view plus this is not happening. Right. And you end up with like your own thing. What do you make? We got to wrap it up. What do you make of it all? What do you make of your life? I'm happy that I achieved this one goal because how, what I make of all of this is based upon people used to ask me, Hey man, when do you think you're going to blow up? And I gave you to give my honest answer when I pay the universe back for the damage I've done. And this success really feels like I didn't, I've paid some of my debt back. So I get the blessings of what I'm doing now because I've paid the debt and I can live without any type of remorse. You know, because what I was doing was kind of really was not even kind of was really detrimental to my environment. And then what I've tried to achieve with staying in Houston and really being different from everybody else. And you know, I would have never thought my name would have been on the wall at the comedy store. Never would have thought it, you know, I would have never thought that I'd have been selling out theaters. I just wanted to be a good working comedian. Yeah. You know, just, hey, because I was before the, Hey man, I sold out of show. I remember when it was just okay with it. Hey man, it was packed. And I missed that time. We were asked, hey man, who was that? It was packed. What was the payback? What were the, when you say I paid the universe back, how? Being a better person, helping, you know, I have a day in the same city that I was so destructive in for humanitarian. So literally just doing shit in the community. Just doing good shit for people. Just doing, just being a better God thing on person than I was helping, helping in secret, not needing. I don't need no notoriety for helping because I didn't need no notoriety for crime. I was fucking up in, in, in the, in the shadows so I can help in the shadows. You know, I, it's a lot of people I would, and they, and they, and they know they've been out ever say, you know, what I've done for them. Just, hey man, just take your blessing and, and let, and allow me to be a blessing. You know, allow me to help. You know, so the, the, you know, everybody know my number one thing is feeding the elderly people. You know, my 20, 20 plus years donating food to the Houston Food Bank, donating money to the Houston Food Bank. Then change, moving that money to a pantry that need, that needed, that needed money or helping with a school or coming somewhere. Like I tell people all the time, don't, you don't have to pay me nothing. I'd rather come for free. You know what I'm saying? Then they come and you give me anything because I'm just give it right. I'm going to give it right back. Yeah. You know, just genuinely helping people. Somebody need me. I'm there. You know, give me an opportunity to earn that blessing. You know, I don't have to say how many people then been behind me in a line. I paid for their food because that's not the, that's not what I'm doing it for. You know, I remember Marcus said something to me and then I said something back to him and he said, you know, that's the, that's the thing. The best thing I've ever, Marcus, do out. That's the best thing I've ever even heard somebody say. I was in the mall and I'm being goofy. This, this lady walked by. I said, hey, you got $20. I ain't got no money on me. And then like I said, if I did, if I had $20 spare, I would give it to you. So I pulled out $100 and I gave it to her. Marcus said to me, he said, man, you know, people record stuff like that for content. I said, what? He said, people record stuff like that for people to know. I said, I don't need that. God recorded it. And I'm cool with that. That's it. Yeah. There's also a thing in the Bible or the Torah, it's like if you publicize it, you ruin it. You ruin it. You lose the, you lose the blessing. Yeah. Quran the same way. Yeah. You know, so I just need to do that. And I used to tell people, hey, some people that you make rich and you just made them rich. I say, but when he give it to me, he gives it to everybody. Yes. Because I don't have the value for money like that. When people hit me up on Instagram, I just got to know who you are. I'm not going to let you scam me for no money. Now you're taking out of somebody else. Like that probably really needs it. But people hit me like I'm doing, I don't know. I'm like, but I don't know you. Yeah. But in my community, I make it an effort to make sure that people in my community are straight. Because that's, that's where I come from. And this is like with kids. Why you never move from Houston? I say, because that doesn't serve me well. Because the people from my neighborhood and the kids in my neighborhood, they have to have direct access to me to ask, to ask me the questions that they want to ask and see the person that they are. And see the person that's successful. I'm saying, if I moved to LA of New York, then that community gets that opportunity. And then these are people that I don't, I don't know. I need to be able to give it to the people that's right in front of me, that saw me come up and that can find pride and say, yo, you know, he from here, right? Yeah. And not only he from here. Oh, there you go right there. And that's, and that's, that's really, that's really what I love. That's the real part of what I love that I'm in my community and people know where I'm at. You can see me and if you got, if you need me, I'm there. You know, that's, that's, I think man, some people like Muhammad Ali don't get enough credit, man. That's how Muhammad Ali was, man. He didn't need any security around him. Man, he, he with the people. And when you were really with the people, that's different. I'm going to hold my word, you know, I'm, I'm going to hold my word to my community. I'm going to hold my word to anybody I'm doing business with. This is why I stay away from industry stuff. You know, you got to, you got to kind of really prove that you're not an industry guy with me because I, because I think that industry people are doing. They will do anything to make it. But people who understand that what's for you is for you. You're going to, I'm not jealous of your career. I'm not jealous of anybody else's career because that's for you. I can be happy for you. If I was still in the clubs, just doing clubs. Man, I'm, am I taking care of my family? Am I still a good, am I still a good life? It's still a good, and I think that's the gratitude that a person that's in the, that's in the bars that don't work a regular job. You work, you work the bars. You got, you in B and C rooms, but you don't have no job. You still, you, you, people, people come to see you, people come to see you, people come to see you. You, you, you, you, you, you, you have to be grateful for that. But you will look at the people who are in mainstream A clubs and be in, I should be there. But what about you don't have a nine to five job and this is what you do and you in different cities. Why are you not grateful for that? Because when I was in the clubs, I never even thought about the theaters. It was never even a thing. I got six shows. I never even asked who's out there. I never asked if it's sold out anything because I'm going to perform for who's ever out there. If it's, if it's a 500 seater and it's 250 out there, I'm going to give the 250, the show that they came to see. And I'm elated. It's like, this is about the being a gratitude. So it's not a flex that you say, Oh, well, I'm in, I'm doing this many people. You doing this many people. I'm doing people. Yeah. Because I don't have a job. Man, you know, I'm making a living. I don't have no job. Yeah. I'm a ghost. Like, like the biggest thing about comics is I'm not going to go to that club. They offer me $1500. I'm like, to do what? They offer me $1500 to perform. No, no, no. No, no, no. They offer you $1500 to practice. Yeah, exactly. So I said, let me get it straight. I just want to just put it in the bowl for you. So they fly you in. They put you up. You going up doing your material for the people that don't really know you yet. And some people may know you and then they will give you $1500 at the end. Wow. And you are saying what to me, sir? Yeah. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You let me find, you let me find an off weekend while I'm not doing something. Yeah. And you ain't watching. You see, I can't believe I'm at least at the Looney Bend. You got to go right on me here. Yeah. Because I still have this healthy addiction to this stage. I've never really been anywhere in like, I'm not even, because I'm not going to go into the comedy club if I'm not going to perform because I'm going to, because something's going to be, I'm going to be in there tripping. I'm like, I'm like, yeah. So what's happening right now? So what's happening? Like, I don't even want to go up. Yes. Yes. And now I'm into this, this thing that I really feel like I can, I can change what a guest spot is. Like, I don't think people realize, like people ask me for a guest spot. I'm like, but you're not a guest spot. What a guest spot would be is I brought you out. People know your guests. Oh, shit. New Brunner's is crazy. I'm going to leave you showing him Brunner's. Yeah. And then I remember I was in Zanis, my headline in Zanis for this festival. And my man said, you want me to do something? I said, you sure? They introduced me. I walked out and said, yeah, I'm not ready yet. They just brought my food. I want to eat a little bit. But while I'm eating, I want to bring one of my friends out. Y'all give it up for my friend. And then I walked out and said, and Ricky Smiley walked up and they lost their goddamn minds. Ricky did 15 minutes. Didn't he introduce me? People say I look like white Ricky. I can see it. So then I did the next day. I did the same thing with Miss Pat. Walked out. They lost it. Miss Pat did 15 minutes. I went, that's a guess, right? It's like what rappers do. The feature is somebody that people know. Yeah. You know, that guess on this record is somebody people know. And I want to do it where, like I like when I pop up on DL just randomly. He's somewhere and I just show up. And he's like, you're going to go on stage. Like, yeah, for you. Yeah. And then I was like, hey, just don't introduce me. I'm good. And I walk out and they lose. They mind. I was in my mind like, this is what a guest spot is. I pop up on bill, Bill Bellamy. And I just, I go up on the show like he'll be in the green room. He'll know I'm there. Then he just hit me talking. And I'm a host for the rest of the night. And he come on. You're like, oh shit. Then like, yeah, then I'll bring him up. It's, it's a lot of fun and comedy if people take part of it. And that's what I think mainstream is. Because in the black rooms, a lot of times a lot of tension. Who's better than who and this, that and the third and the flyer. I want to talk about the flyer and his name is the flyer. And yeah. But in mainstream rules, by the way, Roy Wood sends me Southern flyers. Southern comedy flyers. Just fonts and graphic. It's incredible. And that's another person who is really fun in comedy. Be around Roy Wood Jr. Love talking to Roy. Love being around Roy. It's just, it's a breath of fresh air because we're not in competition with each other. I'm not in competition with nobody, but he understands. He ain't compete with me. He's just, it's about material. I mean, it's like, it's been golf. It's like you're playing the course and I'm playing each other. You might both have a, you know, four under or whatever. But like, if ever I find myself jealous, I'm like, I just want more jokes. That's all I want. If I'm mad, it's like, you know what would solve this? New Joe. New Joe, New Joe, New Joe, give me out of this. Yeah. What literally any problem I have. New Joe. Broken Ark. New story. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. All right, we're going to go. It was great talking to you. Pleasure. Just share that. Bye. Yeah.