The Daily Stoic

The Terror of Knowing What The World Is About | Try The Other Handle

7 min
Jun 12, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

This episode explores the Stoic concept of "grabbing the right handle" from Epictetus, teaching listeners how to reframe difficult situations by choosing empowering interpretations over disempowering ones. The host discusses how Marcus Aurelius faced the burden of historical knowledge without succumbing to despair, and applies this principle to parenting, leadership, and personal resilience.

Insights
  • Every challenging situation has multiple interpretations; choosing the empowering frame gives you agency and hope rather than victimhood
  • Leaders and parents who respond to mistakes with curiosity and trust rather than punishment create stronger relationships and better incentives
  • Historical knowledge and facing uncomfortable truths, while burdensome, ultimately makes you wiser, stronger, and more just than willful ignorance
  • The Stockdale Paradox demonstrates that even in extreme adversity, choosing to view hardship as transformative rather than destructive is a choice available to everyone
  • Reframing situations from 'done to me' to 'done for me' or from losses to gains fundamentally shifts your capacity to respond effectively
Trends
Growing interest in Stoic philosophy as practical framework for leadership and decision-making in uncertain timesShift toward trauma-informed and trust-based parenting and management approaches over fear-based authorityRecognition that interpretation and mindset are primary levers for resilience and agency in uncontrollable circumstancesIntegration of ancient philosophy into modern self-help and professional development discourseEmphasis on emotional regulation and cognitive reframing as core leadership competencies
Topics
Stoic philosophy and virtue ethicsCognitive reframing and interpretationLeadership and decision-making under adversityParenting and teaching through trust rather than fearHistorical knowledge and its psychological burdenPersonal agency and resilienceThe Stockdale ParadoxMarcus Aurelius and EpictetusRelationship-building through aligned incentivesEmotional regulation in difficult situations
People
Marcus Aurelius
Discussed as a student of history who faced the burden of knowing humanity's cruelties yet remained committed to virtue
Epictetus
Primary source for the 'two handles' concept; enslaved for 30 years yet used adversity as transformative opportunity
Thomas Jefferson
Referenced for writing rules about 'grabbing things by their smooth handle' to young relatives
Donald Robertson
Pointed out Jefferson's reference to Epictetus's concept of grabbing the right handle
George Washington
Cherry tree story used as example of choosing trust-based parenting over punishment-based authority
James Stockdale
Stockdale Paradox referenced as example of choosing empowering interpretation during extreme adversity
Quotes
"Everything, Epictetus says, has two interpretations or handles by which it can be grabbed. One that will make it harder, one that will make it easier."
Ryan Holiday
"You grab the handle that makes you stronger, the one that gives you agency, not the one that strips you of agency."
Ryan Holiday
"I'd rather you chopped down my trees than tell a lie."
George Washington (referenced)
"I knew that I would survive. If I did, I would turn this into the very best thing that happened to me."
James Stockdale
"There is no escaping the terror of knowing what the world is about, except perhaps not knowing. An ignorance, however, soothing is unfortunately a vice."
Ryan Holiday
Full Transcript
Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast, designed to help bring those four key Stoic virtues, courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world. The Terror of Knowing What the World is About There is a burden to the study of history. It not only takes a lot of work, it's heavy knowing what people have done to each other, knowing what they do to each other, making sense of the contradictions, the failures, the stupidity, does not exactly fill one with hope for humanity. And perhaps this explains some of the weariness in Marcus Reeles' meditations. Marcus was not just a student of history, but an aspiring historian, even working on at one point a little book called Deeds of the Ancient Greeks and Romans. He knew that history was so often the same thing happening over and over again. He knew it was cruelty and awfulness. It was bloody and pathetic. There is no escaping the terror of knowing what the world is about, except perhaps not knowing. An ignorance, however, soothing is unfortunately a vice. It is a violation of our responsibility to seek wisdom. And it is also a childish luxury that people involved in public life do not get to indulge. So yes, you will have to face facts. You will have to get uncomfortable. You will have to take up the burden of history. And this will not always be fun. It will strip you of some of your illusions. It will also, it should be said, make you stronger and wiser and ultimately more just. Will make you great, as it did for Marcus Reeles, who despite his understanding of the world, still strove to be good and decent, refused to give in to despair or cynicism, and did his damnedest to be the exception to history's rules. You know what silently kills sales teams? The inability to see what's happening in their pipeline. And part of the reason they can't do that is because they use software or CRM that's so complicated that people don't even log in. I mean, I do this all the time. 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That's from this week's entry in the Daily Stoke Journal, 366 days of writing and reflection on the art of living, which you can get anywhere books are sold, including of course, my bookstore, The Painted Porch, which you can check out, thepaintedporch.com or come see us on Main Street in Bastard, Texas. Let's listen to Epic Tidus drill down on this. Every event has two handles. He says one by which it can be carried and one by which it can't. If your brother does you wrong, don't grab it by its wrong doing because this is the handle incapable of lifting it. Instead use the other, that he is your brother, that you are raised together and then you have hold of the handle that it carries. Is Epic Tidus, Incredian 43? And then he says in Discourses 41, No, it is events that give rise to fear when another has power over them or can prevent it, that a person becomes able to inspire fear. How is the fortress destroyed not by iron or fire, but by judgments? And it is here that we must begin and it is from this front that we must seize the fortress and throw out the tyrants. So this idea of grabbing things by the handle, in fact, there's this interesting list you can Google it. Thomas Jefferson wrote a bunch of rules for one of his young relatives and he says somewhat elusively, he says, you know, always grab things by their smooth handle. And I think it was Donald Robertson who pointed out to me that he's referring to Epic Tidus grabbing by the right handle instead of the rough handle grab the smooth handle. The point being, stuff happens. Are you going to try to say this was done to me? Or are you going to say this is done for me? Are you going to say, look at all I've lost? Are you going to say, look at all I've gained? As Epic Tidus says, you're going to say, look at my brother. What did he do when an asshole? Are you going to say this is my brother? I love him. You would never hurt me on purpose. You grab the handle that makes you stronger, the one that gives you agency, not the one that strips you of agency. You grab the one that gives you hope, not the one that strips you of hope. You grab the one that gives you a path forward, not the one that freezes you hopelessly. In place. What's the right handle? That's what we're thinking about in every situation has a handle. And are you going to get mad? Are you going to use it as an opportunity? I think about this with my kids. They do something. Am I going to lose my temper and show them that I lose my temper and that they should be afraid of me or that they should hide things from me? Or am I going to use it as a chance to talk to them to teach them something? Famously, story of George Washington in the cherry trees, teaching this lesson. His father catches him dropping down the cherry tree. He asks who does it. George Washington tells the truth. His father could be angry. He just has a confession from his son that he chopped down a priceless cherry tree. Instead, the moral of the story is, I'm glad that you told me the truth and you can trust me, I'm not going to punish you for having told me the truth. I'd rather you chopped down my trees than tell a lie. Right. What handle are you going to choose as a parent, as a teacher, as a boss? By grabbing the right handle versus the wrong handle, are you making the relationship stronger, better, based on trust, based on aligned incentives, based on shared history? Or by grabbing the wrong handle, are you showing them to lie? Are you showing them to hide things? Are you showing them that you should be feared, that you should be ignored, that you can't be taken seriously, that you're not really their ally or friend? Right. The handle we choose matters. Even Epictetus, you've got to imagine, he's trapped in slavery. It's horrible. He spends the first 30 years of his life that way. Does he choose to see this as the worst thing that could have possibly happened or does he learn from it? Even the so-called Stockdale paradox. I knew that I would survive. He says, if I did, I would turn this into the very best thing that happened to me. That's choosing to grab the right handle. That's choosing to grab the smooth handle, which is what you must do, which is what we must all do in any and all situations. Talk soon. Hey there, just a heads up. I'm going to be on tour this summer and fall. You can come see me in San Francisco and Portland in June. You can see me in Australia and New Zealand in October and August. I'm mixing my months up here, but in August, you can see me in Chicago and Minneapolis and Detroit. Then I'll be on the East Coast sometime in November and December. Anyways, grab tickets to that dailystowicklive.com. I hope to see you there.