Best of the Bus: Max Homa Explains Whether Or Not Golf Is A Real Sport + The Importance Of Caddies

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Just soft, smooth, healthy looking skin every day. Grab your E45 lotion now. Sorry for the voice note, but can we get a takeaway tonight mum? Oh no, no, we've got leftovers in the fridge, they'll do it, it'll be nice. Um, sorry, I'll be eating it. Who's for pizza? Pizza! Sure we can give you lots of data, but what really matters is friends and family. That's why we're happy to be your second most important network. Tesco Mobile, it pays to be connected. Terms apply, see tescomobile.com slash why Tesco Mobile? We were talking about Rob Mugee, my high school buddy, he now... Legend. Legend. He's been mentioned on this podcast several times, incredible guy. You know Rob, he's in the golf world, but we're talking about vasectomies. Yeah. So let's get over that real quick. How many kids do you have? You have one kid? I have one, yeah. How many more kids do you want? Man, no more than one more. Really? Yeah, I'm not. I think, but I think it's a product of like, I grew up in a two kid household and then my wife, she was cool with three, because she grew up in a three kid household. But now she's pretty much on two. I can do just one, I think, but I'm also in like the three and a half. I mean, you're in the three and a half month grind right now where it's like, it's just getting a little less hard. So I can see like the light at like, oh, this is really fun. But so many people, I feel like the day you have your kid, they're like, it's a great day of your life. Like everything's just like gravy from here. And it's like, I think you guys forgot about how hard the month is where you don't sleep like at all. Like not like, like if you got an hour, you're like, oh man, I feel so good. And it's like, I think people forget, but now that you get that over that three month hump, I could see having a second one. But right away, people are like, oh man, like, you know, how many are you going to have? I'm like, one, one, I'm cool. Like this is impossible. There's a, you know, Andy Sandberg is a comedian. He was on a like a late talk show one time and he was talking about having a kid. And as like your wife is pregnant, everyone's like, it's a blessing. It's going to be the greatest day of your life. And then once the kids born, everyone's like, welcome to hell. They just trick you into like also getting into hell. That dude, that first six months, I mean, Willie's coming out of his daughter's about to be a year. I got a five year old already. Ten months. Yeah. I went super fast. I thought you were like in my boat. What? How old was yours? Three and a half. Almost four. Yeah. Almost four months. You get to that six month mark really like the first six months is like keep just keep it alive. Yeah. Like you got to feed it, poop it, make sure it's like breathing at all times. And then like once you get to six months, that's when like the personality really starts to show. Yeah. You get the smiles when you walk in the door type thing, but I got a five year old and it's like full blown. Like it's my little buddy. We're ripping it. Yeah. We have conversations. She's in a Pokemon. Like it's like a nice little, it's a cool deal. Yeah. Cause like, like interest, like having similar interests. Yeah. We do have the pooping thing aligned. I do like to poop. Yeah. You are. Wipes me, but I'm saying he also likes it. So like though that's our similarity, like that's our link right now. Yeah. But the problem is, it's like, you know, he has someone wipe his own ass for him. I saw, I have to do both of those things. So that's where we're kind of misaligned is I feel like he, it's like a, it's like for him, it's just straight up for joy. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like I have to work a little bit, you know, he hasn't reciprocated, but you got to get him another. I don't want to tell you how to live your life. You got to get him a buddy. I know, but like when you're in the beginning of it, man, that's just like the hardest thing to to think about because you're just like, man, what I'm already. Yeah. I'm already in it. It's just as hard as I could possibly imagine that we travel so much, man. It's just like we just did our first lights. What was that? Three weeks ago and every time I like we do anything. I'm like, how do people do this with two fucking kids? So I was like, I have the backpack with the stroller on, you know, the carry it like the satchel. And I mean, Lacey, my wife was saying I almost ran into like a hundred people. And I'm like, well, that's just their problem at this point because I'm overwhelmed. So I can't imagine too, but obviously you get to that point. I'm sure it's like it makes more sense that it seems reasonable at this point in time. I am right now. It's almost like, you know, you're about to take off. You can get in the bottle. You can kind of like have him on the carrier. But now that Rue is like 10 months like I'm gonna be honest. She was hell. Like if we're if we're coming out of training camp, she's getting cut. Yeah, like flying down to Austin and flying over to AZ now flying to AZ wasn't as bad. We got her to sleep down in the seat. But like they're just wanting to move and do everything. It's like moving. You're just traveling. It's like a few hour flight. I'm glad he's still immobile because I was not a fool. I'm not ready to chase something around. I walk. Yeah, I can walk fast, but I don't I don't jog a whole whole lot of time. So I'm a little scared for when I can't find him and he's just running away. Shitting and pissing and screaming. I'm cool with him in one place. I know when he screams now, I know exactly where he is. Yeah. I'm scared for the days where he's going to be like like Ram was telling me yesterday, he's like, you know, they have to obviously like his kid is a little over a year, I think two years, maybe two years and he, you know, he's like, he's trying to climb out of the crib. And I'm just like, that's the scariest. I know my kids going to be right where I left him at all time. So I can I'm cool with that. That's a grind, dude. It's an absolute grind to have a kid. But he got going for you is I mean, the boy made some bags. Yeah. Two weeks ago. That's a nice. That was nice. That's a nice little deal right there. You keep doing that in no more Southwest. Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice little plane. Just go ahead and hey, you can cry and run around wherever you want. We did do that on our way home from from San Diego and it was really like it was really relaxing. I will say though to all the parents out there who don't fly as often as I do and they feel bad when their kid like screams on a plane. I've been on as many planes as I think like anybody really has and at some point I got over it's like they make noise canceling headphones now. Yes, bro. That's all you got to do. Oh, brought that up yesterday. Yeah. It's a kid like they're going to scream. I mean, maybe when I was like 20, 21 years old, I was like, God, it's annoying. I got the kid behind me. But it's like they got noise canceling. I was I even thought like if I if I was just making crazy, crazy money, I'll just buy everybody noise canceling headphones. Like just bring up bring up bring up bring it back on the plane. Hey guys, I'm going to get a headphone. Yeah. Here you guys go. No complaining now though. Like I'm good. You're good. It seems natural though. Like I was like it would be internally in my head. I'm like, man, this kid quiet down. But now that you're a parent, you're like, you know, the parents go the parents are in about way worse than you are because there are parents are like, man, you want to quiet down because you know how everybody else might feel because you were once there at one time. Not like actually looking like they could look and give like faces. It's like, you know, fuck you. Yeah. If you have the face, you can go fuck this. Yeah. It's like an older woman. It's always the older woman that kind of looks like what are you? What are you doing? Say ma'am, you're sitting in the middle seat in Southwest. You had to see you 33, it was going to be a tough flight for you regardless. Disconnect. I do believe this. There's a disconnect because it is more expensive. It's public transportation. It's just a bus in the air. So if I was on a bus and someone was screaming, I've been on bus. I lived in Berkeley for four years. I'm on bus where people are taking pisses in the aisle and it's like, you just didn't even bat an eye. You know, you go on the Bart and there's just a homeless who lives there. It smells terrible. But you're like, yeah, this public transportation. But for some reason, when you're up in the clouds, people just expect everybody to you know, wear like a suit and tie and just read. But like, I like, I kind of like it. It really is. I want to know why people are pissing in the middle of the aisle at a bus. Yeah, he said he grew up in California. You got homeless people. Berkeley's got a big homeless population. You see a lot of shit and I mean that quite literally. Well, like California is El Dorado for the homeless community. That is a place you really need to get. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta, everywhere's the ocean. Yeah. People in Minnesota. They're homeless. Like, have you heard about this place? Yeah. We could get there. Yeah. Flyers. I can get that photo. Okay. Some day I'm going to head west. These days. He's been saying that for three years. He'll never do that. I was due to Minnesota last time I was there. And that guy's a brave man. Cause it gets fucking. It's fucking cold in Minnesota. I mean, like if I was, I would just live in San Diego and it'd be great. Yeah. I mean, that'd be awesome. Yeah. If you want, you can stumble over to Mexico real quick. Go to TJ. Great point. You yourself a couple of nice shows. Come back. You're super down there. I want to entertainment down there in Southern California. A lot of entertainment. What do you live in San Diego now? No, I'm here. I'm 20 minutes from here, but I grew up in Los Angeles. But we've been here four years now. You a paradise Valley guy? I'm Arcadia. Oh, yeah. Arcadia is like a little part of the South of Paradise Valley. Money. Paradise. It's like paradise. Arcadia is like the nicest area of Arizona. Yeah. I grew up in Cave Creek. So no way. Yeah. So we just moved Arcadia. We're living up by like where TPC is. We were living by like Kierlan. Yeah. For a while. But Arcadia feels kind of like California. Like you guys have those kind of vibes. It's really like you drive down a neighborhood in Arcadia and it'll be like lush. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. It's a cool setup for sure. For Arizona, it's different. But yeah, it is. It has been funny living down there because like there is a. I'm not 40, 20 guy, but but Arcadia 20 people down there. Yeah. You go. Hey, just got a little north. I know. But Cave Creek is a more salt of the earth. I believe that, but I just get my wife and I can't do the. I haven't fallen in love with the cactus yet. That's a beautiful thing. I think that's fair. Yeah. I know you take you guys take a lot of pride in the cacti. Yeah. It's kind of like all we got. Cacti. All we got. Yeah. And they call them sororos out here. They can differentiate. Yeah. Cacti, which I'm just like it's just a cactus. Yeah. There's lots of different stuff. It's the Choyah. I think what's interesting is how long this. Have you heard about the jump in Choyah? Yeah. Oh, you. Hey, fuck them up right now. Yeah. Well, we'll explain them a jump. So the the. What is this called? Jumping Choyah. They're like basically like the defense mechanism defense mechanism of a Choyah is if you get close to it, it'll literally lean into you and then get you so it'll get you away from it. And it's one of those things like if you like touch it, it breaks off really easily. So it'll be like all over your hands and arms and stuff like that. And they're like they like they look like big bushes and you can just like stacks of just prickles everywhere. My buddy put his foot over one once it was on the ground. He put his foot over it kind of screwing around like oh, I'm going to step on it and it. Yeah. But. Holy fuck. Yeah. Like what's the point of those things? This. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good. What kind of value are they adding? I'm sure they do. Like I'm sure somebody somebody's out there pissed off right now. Like how does will fucking not know? No, I mean, I think the choice like only here here in like New Mexico. Yeah. Like it's kind of like a it's a rare thing. It's interesting how long cactuses can live. Yeah. That's a fun thing to Swarovski like 200 years old. It's wild, but that's what this is not what this podcast is not about. We're here to talk about off. You are. So you're at the way you're doing the waste management. Obviously, you gotta be come out. We're thinking about we're thinking about Saturday, right? Right. Yeah, we're thinking about Saturday. Yeah. And then so how does like waste management to me growing up last year? What's that? He hit one last year. You got it. You got one last year, didn't you? I won what? One one? Yeah. No, that was Sam Ryder. Oh, shit. That's crazy. That's that's just that's just us not doing our homework because I legit I was sitting with Will there being like, damn, did he really get a hole in one? But that like how does the waste management like how is it different from things like Augusta and like other places because it seems like it literally is out of like happy guilt. Oh, it says yeah, it really is shooter McGavin would struggle here. So this I put in context. They don't tell you exactly how many people come through the gates, but I know roughly. So on a on a given even a good good golf tournament day, like I would say farmers insurance two weeks ago final round probably had that's where you made his bags 25 30,000 people. Yeah, which feels like a lot of golf tournament. It's spread out, but it feels like a lot Saturday at the waste management this week will probably have 250,000 people. It's like the top five, six sporting event in a day. And it's all week. I mean yesterday, yesterday's Monday is the first day of the course is open to practice or sorry for the fans, but typically even some of the events don't even open and you know, you'll trickle in like a few people on this Monday. People have jobs. I mean yesterday was still chaos. I mean, there's so many people. So it's different, but my story that explains that we call it all the golfers call it a party that a golf tournament broke out at. So it's like if we were here drinking and then all of a sudden you're like, you know, you want to go mess around on that putting green and like that's that's like the scale. So my first year ever playing it. I tee off on Thursday off the back nine and 16s, you know, right where like everyone filters in through 10, they walk past 10, past 11 and filter into 16. And I'm walking off the tee. I got, you know, all my golf clothes on spikes on looking like a professional golfer. I got my caddy carrying the clubs looking like a caddy and there's a huge line of people on there's these two attractive women in front of me and I say, excuse me, then they're in like heels and dresses and all this shit. And, and they like look at me and look back away. I was like, excuse me, like I'm just trying to get through to the fairway. And she gave me like the, I have a boyfriend look. And I was like, what the fuck are we doing? Like I'm working like you're here because there's a golf room, but most of people don't even like that's not even part of it. Like that's not the vibe. I mean, they have clubs like I have my buddy. I don't know if you guys know the, you know, he's just Mike now, but Mike's stud and all those. We are, yeah, he's one of the boys. He's been in the pod a few times. He's rolled through last year, him blue and all the boys. And I got them passes. This thing called the greenskeeper is left of 18 and it's like, I've never been, I've never got to like see anything, but it's kind of like a dayclub, like outdoor dayclub. And he's like, Hey, I'ma come out. And I was like, okay, I got you guys these wristbands and he's like, no, we want to play watch you play golf. I said, okay, but I was like, you know, like it's really fun like every day, but especially Saturday. Like don't feel obligated to come watch me play like get in there. So I text him after I was like, Hey man, sorry. Like I didn't say hi. Like there's just a lot of people out there, whatever he goes. He's like, I think he texts me two days later. Cause he was like, never even left the greenskeeper. Like it was just too much fun cause it's just like beer garden. So like people don't even know there's golf going on 16, you know, but you're there just to boo and get really drunk. And it's different from anything ever cause every other golf tournament is the golf tournament. It's the priority in this case. Like that is the alcohol is the priorities. Yeah. It's like a massive. That 16th hole did its crazy. It's insane. Have you get go ahead, but I was just gonna say how you feel about everyone starting to throw all that alcohol onto the green like how it was like chaos. It was a little much. So basically they had to change it this year. It I'm not going to go out here and say it's like life and death dangerous, but I mean, people are chucking, you know, hands at you that are full of beer and like, you know, call my buddy Cole got hit with one last year and he's like, didn't feel good. I don't mind it. It's crazy. I like this. This is good for golf. I don't think every week, but it's good for golf, but they are putting cups in solo cups this year. So if you do check them, at least like we're not going to get beaned. But I don't know. I like it. It's fun. It's it's it's chaos. It's crazy. It's like we golf is such like a older, older person sport that like making it younger and all this and that, whatever. The only problem with last year that we got a little of that they're starting to do it for anything. Like they crave. It's like you have any reason the chaos. They're like, man, if he, if he makes this 30 footer, we're going to throw it and then they'll miss and he's like, he taps it in though. We'll throw it too. It's like, okay. We're, you know, like make it make like for the whole one, like go nuts for, for a bunker shot. You make go nuts, long putt go nuts. It did feel like last year was kind of like anything we can possibly make happen and make worth it. We're going to do it. But it's cool, man. It's a, it's rare. I have my favorite funniest stories from this event and last year was up there with the most dehumanizing and also kind of funny thing ever, but I was in a late group on Saturday, I think, and we get to 15. I'm making like a little charge and I don't know why the people who set the tournament up did this, but there's a ported body like on the tee and it is really close to a lot of people and you know, obviously they're quite noisy. And I had a healthy stream that day. So I hop in there and everyone watches me go in there and I could hear people like, you know, chanting as I'm like in the bathroom and it's like really uncomfortable and I get out and I just get like, I mean, they're already standing, but it was still like a standing ovation. Like a roar happens as I leave this path. And I'm like, dude, I don't even feel like a fucking person anymore for a past like, thank God, I didn't have to take a shit because like that had just been a tough one in there. So you have that. I've had my favorite heckles have been at this one. So it's a great event. It's just it's very different. Is it a when you're looking at like your first couple of times doing the waste management, is there like a level of FOMO that you had at any point being like these people are having every year incredible time every year. I remember like, I don't know about you, but like being on the buses, going to like college football and seeing all these, all these people tailgating and like, damn, I've never been to a tailgate. I got to do all the tailgating. Yeah. So we roll reverse. It is hard, man. I guess like last year I got, I got all these friends in town and like one night, you know, like, I again, invited to go to dinner with like golf who I'm buddies with and yell it and all like, just like my favorite like coolest athlete friends who we keep up with each other, but I never get to see them because they're busy when, when, when I'm not busy and I'm busy when they're busy and they're like, man, we're going out to bottle blonde tonight. You know, I know it's probably hard, but you want to come and I'm just like, yeah, like I want to go, but, and then they're like, no, you're not coming. I'm like, I know, but like you just, all the parties are this week and it's so much fun and everyone's out and watching people like just drink while we're all golfing and just seem like truly having the time of their lives. Well, I'm just like wrestling between making bogies, birdies and, and pars. It's just like, it's just not nearly as fun. Divers. Yeah. Changing diapers. Yeah. Now this week, the Super Bowl week. Yeah. Now it's Super Bowl. It just makes everything so much more. It's just crazier, but I don't know, man. I have FOMO every year at this event, but there have been times like my favorite like, like last year's Saturday and my last like five holes is my like one of my favorite things that's happened to me in golf just because when you do perform in front of all those people, you guys would get this more. We don't get this very often, but it's like the rush of it is well, you know, it's worth not drinking the, the beers. But yeah, there's still times where I'm like, God dang it looks pretty, you know, if I get on like a little bogey run, I'm like, I could just be out there right now. Like, yeah, I got full acts. I got this little credential gets me everywhere. I could be doing all the coolest stuff, but I don't know. It's a, it's a good trade off. Here's a question. How important in the scheme of J rankings and all that is the waste management? That's what I'm thinking is this. Why not become the golfer and just drinking while you're playing John Daly? Not a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. John Daly. But he does that. He's allegedly smoke cigarettes and drinks. He's the fine. You're not allowed to drink. We are not. We're not allowed to. Yeah. Maybe that'll be a rule we could knock down just for this tournament. Yeah, just for the sake of me. Like that's a fair rate. When you go to Augusta, I've never been, but it's like the hot dogs are still the same price as they were the day they opened. They have like this messege. Yeah. Like only like presidents and like senators can like golf on this place other than pro golfers. Like why not make the waste management? Like the ultimate like fuck you to golf in a way that like takes this. These younger generations and it's like, oh, we want to do this shit. This is awesome. It's not a terrible. Yeah, we could have a one off. We're innovators. You're just getting hammered while you're playing golf. Yeah. It's like you guys watch The Wire. I've not seen The Wire. Oh, but I hear it's incredible dude. There's so many shows out there now that are amazing. Like Last of Us is now a thing that everyone's watching. But The Wire is old. Hey, listen. But they have the thing called Hamster Dam where like they in Baltimore they made like you could do drugs in a one square mile. You could do whatever you wanted. There was no rules and like that's what this event should be. It's like the one place where like we'll turn a blind eye to this. That's perfect captioning. Max Homer thinks heroin should be allowed. Yeah. No, no, no drugs. Man, you brought that up. What's one rule you would change in golf? Man. Big Cat, Big Cat did say something on part of my take once. I don't know if you guys have heard that one, but. Where he said that you should be allowed to fight one fan a year. In like any sport. And I was like last year at the PGA in Oklahoma. I was telling Joe, my catty about that rule. There's this fucking guy that was just when you buy a beautiful new home from Ashwood Homes, you'll be looked after every step of the way from your first viewing. I love it. Through to choosing your fittings. Perfect. All the way up to that dream moment when you collect your keys. Home sweet home. And move in. We can even help with legal services and mortgage advice. Whether it's your first home or your next home. Live your dream with Ashwood Homes. Visit AshwoodHomes.co. Bearing me out for like six holes in a row. He's clearly just walking with us and I was just like, dough, I was like, that's the fucking guy. Like that's my guy. But I was like, we have to be smart about it. Cause I'm not like a super large man. I'd pick a small guy and I just go to town. And I think, I think that would be, that would be a good one. Obviously pretty, pretty unrealistic, unrealistic rule change, but definitely something we thought of. I do think that, I do think that like live towards doing it like shorts. I don't mind like you could wear shorts. It makes it seem like at least a little less dorky. Although some people got like very white legs. Um, but I don't know. I, the real one is, I guess the real one I would do is like range finders, the lasers you shoot the pen distance wise I would use. Cause if everyone has one, I don't see the advantage of it. So it's like, might as well do it, just speed things up, do it in extent, makes things easier on everybody. That one seems pretty basic, but we'll see. So speaking of like fighting guys, is there a golfer that you would, given the opportunity, would maybe throw hands with? I mean, I get, yeah, I mean, it could be anybody in a game. If somebody on the front of your mind, you can say him, you don't have to say him. Who do you think you could take in the tour? I could take, like I could take a lot of, I was, I was, I'm blessed. My dad was a boxer growing up. So he taught me how to box. I'm a very unassuming, like I know I could at least, I'm also not scared to get my ass beat. Like, I think at some point, yeah, like, like, we fall, obviously you guys are all going to kick my ass. Like I'm cool with that. Like I'd rather do that than like run. So I'm going to at least stand in there and take a few. But yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of guys on tour. I would, I would, I would like my chance against, but it's not like I disliked that many people or really anybody enough to just be like, I'm just going to fight them. But I mean, there's times when you're pissed off and kind of just any, when you make like four bogies in a row, it's kind of just anybody. I'm ready right now. My dad always had this joke. I wore a, or this ugly ass pink shirt when I was a junior golfer and this guy, we were leaving the course. I paid so bad. I'm so mad steaming in the front seat. I'm probably like 15, 16 and this guy cuts off my dad. He's usually like a little more of the hothead than me. And I start yelling at the car, the guy in front. My dad goes, my dad goes, if you want to get out, you can get out. And, and he was like, could you imagine like on the news, like, like, uh, golfer in pink shirt just beats the hell out of some road rage, uh, driver. And I was like, yeah, it's probably wasn't going to go that way. I probably, you know, end up flat on my back. But, uh, we have no, I've always been scared of a golfer actually fighting another golfer because like we just had a T throwing incident, uh, a year, a week ago in Dubai. Yeah, Rory McIlroy and, uh, Patrick Reed, Patrick Reed, like flicked a T towards Rory and it was a humongous story, which is pretty sad. And, uh, I'm really nervous that if we ever, anybody did get in a real altercation, we just never make things look cool. And we can't make fighting look cool. Like there's just no way some two golfers are actually going to have like a real fist fight that you're like, oh, wow, you know, it's going to be like, oh boy, you know, that was a bad look for all of us. So I hope it never happened. Bring more viewers to the, you know, it will bring viewers in a lot more. And everyone would cringe and like kind of be like, okay, you know, I didn't need to see that. So I feel like it's good that most of us are, are smart enough not to ever really, uh, even get into a hold me back situation. We, we, we avoid it at all costs. Is there a, an internal rivalry that you have that your opponent doesn't even know he's a part of? Multiple, but not in a, I don't like them way. Just like, I want to beat him way. Who? Uh, man, Tom Kim. Uh, and he has the same thing I know he does because his caddy's one of my best friends. I know he has the same thing, but we played singles at a president's company. The sad part is that he's 20. I'm 32. Hold on. Hold on one second. Yes, sir. I don't. Well, oh, so are you going to abide by the, what you're being? What you're being told? Hey Dave, going to meet you. We're doing, we're holding line brother. No, we're just trying to do our part. Because we're doing, we're doing, you know why we're doing, and we got people coming up and being like, you can't talk. Do you know why we're doing this down here? Because we're doing the rundown. Right now, as soon as you ask to do it. I thought all I'm saying is we're trying to fuck, we're trying to do this thing. Can we talk up there or no? You're allowed to talk. I think so. I mean, yeah, like maybe like, He's your house, hell. Yeah, I don't know. That's why I said that I came in and like the bus and guys says no one can talk up there. So what'd you say? What was your reaction? I walked my ass down here and asked permission to talk. Okay. All right, thanks. I hope your shows go well out there, Dave. Thank you. You never know what you're going to get with him. You know, when he made the comment, I was thinking about it too. And he was like, when you're 53, 54th Congress, you're going to be early to the meeting. Like when you're the owner, you can show up whenever you want to. But it's like, yeah, if you want to run a piss poor organization, leave from the front. He says, hand up, leave from the front. That's how you do from the front. Like that's culture. Like we know there's a hard out here at 10, 15 and he wants to come take three minutes of our time. That's Dave though. I'll tell you what though, Dave fucks with the boys. He does fuck with the boys. Like that's he's the dad. He's the dad that's never going to say I love you. But like the more he makes fun of you, like he cares. Yeah, he cares. And that's, that's important. I feel like during the, What'd you ask? Does he love you? You think? Oh yeah. You love us? Yes. I think so. I mean, I think we're probably a top five favorite people around here. I don't think he'll ever say it. And I think he'll always like, you know, make those faces. He'll just go, yeah, I mean, I like you guys. You guys are fine. Usually, I mean, you guys are doing great job. He has worked for me and he'll just say something that like wouldn't make him seem like he's the boss. And then we just, He takes that one pat on the back and you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah, but he doesn't, there's not a whole lot of pads. I think he hangs with Sylvanah and they'll like look at some of our contents and they kind of chuckle together. Yeah. He'll be laying in bed and just kind of like, but he'll never say this. Yeah, he'll never say that. Like those guys are stupid. And he'll just kind of keep scrolling. I'm Kim. Yeah. So yeah, he's 20, I'm 32. He's a future, or he already is superstar, but he's a future just like world beater talent. And I think part of it is that I'm just jealous that it took me so long to figure it out and he's, you know, can't even legally drink and he's just whooping up on all of us. That's probably part of it. Not being able to drink. A lot of it is this caddy and I, you know, I have to see him all the time. So I want to, I don't know. It's like, it's like a motivating thing. So I definitely, you know, check in how he's doing in tournaments. And I hope that I win more tournaments than he does until I retire much earlier than he will. But it's also an embarrassing one. Like I said, you want a rival that's like your age and this kid is like, he's truly a child. So what I was doing at 20 versus what he was doing at 20 is just so drastically different. It's outrageous. But he's, he's definitely on my list right now. And he's also taken me to dinner next week. He's taken me to Korean barbecue next week in LA. So we're all also really good friends, I think it's close enemies closer. Yeah. So I'm staying at, yeah, but he might food poisoning. I'm not really sure. I don't know where his rivalry in this stands, but I know, I know he feels similarly. Is he here this week? He's here this week. Yeah. I think that's when does it starts Thursday? Right? That's the first day that everything is going down. How do you get paired up with him a lot or no? I've been paired up with him. Maybe this is where the other part I got paired up with them in Vegas this year and then he won the golf tournament and didn't make a bogey for all 72 holes, which is just like not a real thing. Yeah. So he did that. Man, he sounds so he did that. So he did that. He's setting my sights high. Yeah. Yeah. Is you, you brought up Caddy's a couple of times like I don't know golf. I probably swung a club 10 times in my entire life. I'm awful. What is like, how important is a Caddy through the process of the weekend for you, like sizing things up for you and stuff like that? For me, what do they do in general? It's like, give me the basic one on one on what a Caddy does. Air bones is carry the clubs, clean the clubs and get like numbers and kind of do like strategy type stuff. Mine is different. I've always valued Caddy's. Some guys, you know, everyone wants something different. Some people want like some people want like a psychologist kind of out there, a friend out there where they want somebody who's just really good at like, you know, getting waters, you know, just like, almost like an assistant. Mine, I've been lucky. Mine is one of my best friends. I've known him since I was six. He was a great golfer. It still is a good golfer, but he played pro golf for a little bit back in the day. And so I kind of get, I'm lucky. I get, I get a really, like really good Caddy. He's great at all the strategy, all the picking what club to hit. He's great at all that. But he's also like someone I enjoy walking around with because we're, we're together more than I'm with, you know, my wife really over the last like six years, we spend so much time together. So I need to like, like that person. Cause if I, if I start to get resentful of being around somebody that much, it would be hard to do my job. But so I, I kind of get like the full, the full package with mine. So it's like I said, everyone's different. Like I had a Caddy one time, fill in for Joe. He was gone for a week. And every time he had me a water, like he'd have like the top almost off. So I didn't have to open the top. I'm like, yeah, but I'm like, I'm so good at that. I can do that. You know, I don't need help with that. I need help. Like is it seven or eight iron? Yeah. So it's just like everybody, but clearly at some point somebody told him like that was a thing, which is also sad and crazy to me. But I don't know. Some people, everyone was different, I guess, but I like, I like having a friend out there that like enjoy the wins together and then the losses we can like discuss and, and I have a lot of faith and trust in what he'll suggest that we should do better. Have you ever blew a gasket on him? It's actually funny. He's yelled at me more than I've yelled at him. It's kind of my running, running joke about how like last year, last year, maybe it's two years ago at Pebble Beach Sunday. I got off to a great start and on the fifth hole, I hit in a bunker and had a fuck line and made double bogey. And then the next hole I hit in the bunker and got a fuck lie and I hit a really good shot and it got a terrible bounce. I had like 20 feet and I like kind of bitched and moaned about it. And this is why I like joke is I always tell him, I say, if I'm being a bitch, you tell me I'm being a bitch and I'll stop. Like he's older than me. Like I was like, you know, you're kind of big brother. I'll listen to you. Yeah. And, and, but I kind of like bitched and moaned to him about like, I was like, what a fucking bounce, you know, like so fucking bad. And he snapped on me and, and he goes, you know, I don't even remember he said he yelled at me. Jesus Christ. Like in front of other people. I'm like, good God. What do you say? Like, hey, you're starting to be a bitch. Yeah. Basically he was like, he's like, quick complaint. He had a great fucking shot. It's like not that big a deal, whatever. So I'm like, okay. And I walked over and I, I forced him, I made the putt, which was like maybe part of him just scaring the life out of me. And he comes over to me like this is why I'm our relationship. I love it so much. He comes on and he goes, dude, I'm so sorry, but I want to break that bunker on five. My back went out and I'm like, I'm kind of on tilt right now. I'm like, okay. He goes, I'm really sorry about that. But I've only really got injured. Yeah. I've only really gotten mad at him like a couple of times. So like he, I don't think I've ever yelled at him. But yeah, it's, it's fun when he is wrong and there's been a couple of times where like he catches, he catches when I can, I know he's wrong and I go to say something and he's like, got his head down. He's like, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Cause he knows like, I don't air him out. Everyone's trying their best. It's impossible. I mean, he's guessing what, you know, educated guess on what we should be doing. So when he's wrong, it's not like I'm like, whatever, but every once in a while, like one time, you know, I'm telling him at six, I don't know, he says five and I'm saying six and it's five and I at five and it goes over the green. It's fucked. And like, that's when I can at least, at least look at him and be like, you know, I was right. And sometimes that's all I need. I don't yell at him a little smile. Like you hear some guys blow up and they are some funny fucking stories, but man, I just don't have that in me. Wow. Where are you at in the argument of golf being a sport or not? Man, I'm like very middle. Like I don't, it's active. Yeah. It does warm my heart when like my friends who are real athletes, like the, the, the no argument athlete, when they go play golf and then they tell me next day, like their back hurts, their shoulders are hurting. I'm like, see this shit's fucking. Yeah. Yeah. I'm probably not. I think if we had to carry around clubs, I would consider it a sport, but it's just, it's just it. Yeah. We're tiptoeing the line. We're, we're definitely like people bat dog cheerleading and say that's not a sport and they did a way more athletic than we are. So like if they're not even, if they're not even getting approved, then like we shouldn't be approved fully yet, but we're, we're gaining on it, but I wouldn't like you guys are like just a humongous difference between like football and baseball and basketball and then like golf. Like this is noticeable. Just the eye test would tell you that like we're not doing a whole lot, but it is active. It's harder than you think. But yeah, it's definitely not, not rig, rigorous enough to consider like a full blown sport, but we're in the sport family. I, I, I'm just saying, you're saying like, we're just in cousin. The way you handled that, yeah, a rages question was extremely graceful. Like could have easily taken. I know, I know. Boys, you got it. Fon are back there by piss right now. Yeah, I get it. You heard about a bunch of scoffs in the back when you said that. Yeah. Cause they all were thinking that it's not. When did you decide like they're, they're probably a golf, when were you like, this is, this is for me. What I'm going to be fantastic at a real sports. So I played, you know, like football, basketball and golf. Those were like my three like loves grown up receiver. What's that? Are you a slot receiver? So I was going to be the great white hope. I was a nasty corner. Oh, there's a boy from Iowa out there trying to live a dream right now. You see that guy out there? Uniquer. We have to protect it. So, but yeah, so I was like, damn, and I was like 11. So it's not like I thought of that at all. But I think who was a seahorn back in the day? Yeah. He was, he was, so I, I, I mimic my game after him. Yeah. I was, I was all right. I, I, I'm fast. Like that's kind of my thing. Never was a big guy, but I can, I can fly around a little bit and I like saying that because you can't prove that I can't. So it looks like you can probably, it looks like you can run around a little bit though. Yeah, but you're never going to see it. So when you're like at a par five or something like that, get a good sprint to your ball. I kind of show everybody what's what. That would be funny. So if you like hit it, just like yack down there, dude. That would be awesome. That'd be incredible. Yeah. Put that in the back pocket. I was like 11 and my dad kind of stutley said, Hey man, if you want to be a professional athlete, like you need to pick one. Like this is your time. Like you need to treat it like a job. And he goes, I think you should only be doing one. And I sat there and looked in the mirror and I'm like, well, I'm five foot two. Can't really jump. I think I'm fast, but I've met a lot of guys faster. And I was like, I think golf's the way to do it. So it wasn't like I thought that I was baby better at golf, but I felt like it might fit me better. I didn't get hit. Nobody had to hit me. And yeah, so then it was like from 11 on, I quit everything else and started going on the golf course. Six days a week. My parents would drop me off and bang balls. I didn't know I was going to make it, make it for a while, but I've always said, man, for, for anybody who's ever made it and probably anything, but especially sports, you need like the perfect amount of delusion. Cause if, when you tell a kid, like, I remember I had teachers be like, what do you want to do in your grow up? I'm like, I'm going to be on the PJ tour. And they've been like, okay, but if that doesn't work out, what are you going to do? And I'm like, why the fuck would that not work out? Like I work at this as hard as you work at your job. Like it's going to work. But like looking back on it now as like a 32 year old dude, it's like the fact that a kid, I was just like, yeah, of course I'm going to make it here is like, you have to be a bit crazy, but like you have to have enough of that realism and awareness to know that it's going to be really hard. But, and you have to change things. It's not like, yeah, I'm just going to wake up and just make it. But also you have to have enough delusion to acy anytime, anybody ever said, hell man, you know, that's, that's crazy. Like you might need a backup plan. I could look at you and be like, no, like that's, that's not how you make it. You don't make it with a backup plan. So it's kind of fun. But I was thankful my dad did that when I was young because you do, in my opinion, need to, unless you're one of those freak, you know, Bo Jackson type people, like you need to focus on one thing because there's so many people that are working at it and that are great at it that like you can't be wasting time. I couldn't be wasting time trying to, you know, figure out if I was going to blow up the guy in the flat or not. Like that's just going to waste my time. So you guys seem like you're more the family style that is pick, do one sport when you're going up. I want, I want, because I know you probably are aware of those arguments. I feel like golf, it could be like, golf, you might have to put in that type of golf. I think that's one of those sports and hockey is one of those sports. I agree. Like 13 and hockey, you like, you can't decide. You can't do anything else. Like you got to go do that. I want my kid, if he decides to play sports, I want him to play all of them. Cause I do think it makes you a well rounded human. Like I think that there are golfers who have grown up and only played golf and I think that they, yeah, and I don't think that's a good thing. Personality wise, it's great for theirs. They're their game, but like, I don't think that's, yeah, that's, but it does feel like that. It's like they take some of themselves very seriously. It's like our biggest, most popular golf tournament is just a party. That's in Scottsdale. So it's like, we're not, we're low on the totem pole. We're growing tiger put us everybody on the map. He changed the, changed the landscape of golf forever for all the professionals. But at the end of the day, I do think that it's important to play a lot of sports just to get, I also think it helps with your hand. I think all those things are important to growth, but yeah, I mean it's golf is different. It is, it will always be a slower older, older person sport just because it's not taxing on the body. It's the thing that all, you know, so many athletes and so many super athletes decide to like play after, because it's, you know, I was on a phone call with Larry Fitzgerald yesterday and he is obsessed with golf. You never met somebody more obsessed with golf and this dude is a no, no doubt or hall of famer. Probably, I mean, he should be in the conversation for best of all time and this dude just once like he's asking me questions about how do I get better at golf because I'm not sure how to get better at golf because that's the thing is it doesn't beat him up anymore. It's a passion. It is hard, but I think that his personality and his outlook towards the game is benefited from the fact that he played other things growing up. And I think that's why people love Larry and golf now because he doesn't take himself seriously because he's humbled by the game of golf, but we all also respect him because he's a legitimate freak of nature. When you keep saying that golf is always going to be an older man sport, how do you like in what ways can we make the younger generation appreciate golf more? So I'll give you like for example, like when I'm in high school, me and all my buddies never thought about golf at all. As soon as everyone graduated college, all of a sudden all my boys are picking up clubs and doing whatever and like, this is great for business. This is great for that. Like how do you start leaking into the high school like that, you know, the younger ages that they start picking up the clubs more. It needs to be more accessible. So golf course I grew up on is par 61. So most golf course par 72 public golf course had a par three course nine holes longest hole is 150 yards and it was owned by a company called American golf and they had a deal at least in all the ones that they owned around where I grew up that, you know, if you were under like 1211 or somewhere like that, you could play the par three course for $1 all day. And then you play the big one for like $16. And as golf is boomed because of the pandemic golf blew up across the country golf course are getting more expensive and that's okay. It's a business, but like let the kids play like get them out there, get them out playing, get them out deals on hitting balls, like banging balls is let's just say it's $8 a bucket, make it three so that they don't have to go beg their parents for $20 and you know, like make them feel like it's, it's okay. And also it will, I don't know if this one will ever change, but the adults need to get that are at the golf course need to clean up their act and stop kind of ho hum and oh man, I'm playing with a kid today. It's like my dad would always say that and he liked it because I was, you know, a good player as a young, young kid, but he would say, you know, we get paired with another, another two dudes that obviously don't know us strangers and he would, he'd say he always loved it because they'd roll their eyes to their friend like, oh God, we got to play with this kid today and my dad would make me play fast. Like if I, if it took me too long to get off the box, he would just have me play up where his drive was. But like by the end of the day, these guys like, oh my God, this kid's so good. But it's like, don't you, you like judge me before you, like the point is to get in, like get people into this game. So that the pros are doing, I think a good job. I have like, I know Patrick Cantley hosts three golf tournaments on the court on the term as we grew up playing in Southern California in the SCPJ Southern California Professional Golf Association. So then I'm doing my first one in two weeks. And I think that helps a little bit kind of giving kids that look up to, you know, maybe you know, even if they aren't into golf, but they have to watch it because their dad makes them here and there and they see, Hey, you know, so and so is hosting a golf tournament. I want to play in that one day. Maybe that could be an avenue, but I just think accessibility and these adults need to chill. Like if a kid's being loud at the golf course, you don't need to reprimand them. Like go to say, Hey, you know, we're a little quieter here to respect thing, but like don't make it where I have to walk on eggshells because I felt like that as a kid a lot. And fortunately, my dad didn't make me double down and feel that he's like, Hey, you know, kind of like screw them, do your thing, but be respectful. But he would set it in a nicer way. But there's just like this stuff. It can be stuffy. And that just turns kids off. Kids attention spans are. Or that's why football. So like this is like America's sport. And it's so fun to watch because it's like quick, quick hitting highlights like highlights and golf like you, they're slow and they're not as riveting. But if you ever played the game, you'd be like, fuck, that's amazing. You know, but it's just like, it's not like right off the top of your head that it would be like so clearly fun. So I hope that, I hope that as things go on, like kids will start to feel more welcome to come out to the course. Cause I tell, I tell all the people who are just even my friends as you reference, they get out of college and like, man, I want to play golf. I don't want to embarrass myself. I'm like, I'm like, who, who are you worried is going to embarrass you? And they'll be like, Oh, you know, there's this guy that was playing the other day. I said, well, just picture this. If I come out, I'll beat the shit out of that guy at golf. Like he'd be embarrassed to play with me. I don't give a shit. So like you go play, just go have fun. Do your thing. Don't like, that's the problem. There's like this weird, there's a weird thing in golf that I'm hoping slowly gets, gets torn down a bit. But what is that weird thing you're kind of implying? Is it like an uppity vibe? I think it is, but I just think like, okay, so if I go play, if I went and played football with you guys, obviously I would look like an actual like a giraffe, like a baby giraffe out there. Like I wouldn't know what to do. I maybe catch a few. I maybe trip a few times. I'd look like an idiot, but I feel like the nature of that sport, like the intuition isn't just to immediately like make fun of that person. It's like, you know, it's just like, Oh, it's fun. It's a backyard game, you know, but golf doesn't feel like a backyard game, at least in how it was made. It was a gentleman's sports, a gentleman's game. But it's like, it should be a kid's game. Shit. Like, I'm playing fucking golf ball through the air and everyone sucks at it. Like I suck at it sometimes. Like it's so hard. So I just think that there is an uppityness to it that like as you get better and you, you have to pay to play. So I guess maybe part of it is kind of like going back to the public transportation, the sky thing. Oh, I'm paying $300 for a flight. I don't want this baby crying behind me. It's like, well, tough shit. Like there's a kid out here going to learn and he just wants to get better at the same game you want to get better at. Like let him, like let him have a chance. Let her have a chance and like just see what happens and make it fun and make it enjoyable. There's something weird about maybe it's just the price point of it that I think people feel entitled to like, this is my day and I want it to go exactly how I think it should go. And it just drives me nuts. I'm lack, I'm glad I grew up at the golf course I grew up at because it was not like that nearly as much. It was a men's club. All the boys had beers. I would sit there and wait for my dad to finish. I'd hit balls, get a soda and we would go home and it was very like everyone can play. No one's getting strokes. Go prove yourself and that's how you grow up and learn. But golf in general just doesn't seem like it's gotten over that hump fully yet. But I think it will. I think Tiger made an enormous impact on that because he made kids feel cool to play golf at least for me when someone's like, Oh, you play golf as dorky. I'm like, go watch this fucking guy play golf because it is not dorky. It is. It's exciting and it's cool. I think when Netflix is doing too with that, yeah, like the formula one, yeah, formula, them doing it with the golf and everything else. I think that's going also for you, like giving you your flowers. To me, it's like the way you are your personality on social media. You do make it seem like you have an edginess, a looseness about you to where you make the golfing fun like good day, bad day. You're still going to whether it's you need to show up on social media or not. Like you make it seem like, Oh, he's he doesn't take it so serious, even though you are a pro at your craft. Clearly, if anybody's listening to this, it seems like you've been all in on this thing for a while, but I like admire from afar your ability to play good or play bad and talk about it in a way that's like relatable to people. I feel like people take a big liking to you. Thank you. Yeah, I guess I guess I'd put it as I don't I take what I do very serious. I don't take myself very serious and I hope that kids and fans of golf. Grasp that like concept because like I want to be everybody every time I play, but I also know that if I don't, it's not everyone's problem that I didn't mind. And like I said, I want golf to flourish and I love this game and it is. It has a lot of benefits to it for, you know, business and honestly, just joy. And so it's like at some point it's fun. And we're playing golf in a field, man. It's it's awesome. But there's just little little walls. We got to knock down Netflix. That's a great point. They'll do a great job of showcasing at least for kids to be able to see in a in a real TV show. Like, oh, shit, maybe I want to try that and like then get out and do it. Because it is weird, man. Like every like you said, every single one of my friends right after college like fuck, man, like I want to learn how to play golf. What should I do? And I'm like, God, dang, I wish you would have said this when we were 15, because I would have a lot more friends. I know it's 1020 right now. We know you got to go. But the last thing we'll ask is you seem like your mindset is just like really just well done. Like you seem like you've really put things in perspective, understanding that just because I lost doesn't mean it's everybody else's issue. Enjoying whether you win or lose in the way you projected to everybody else. Like how is that? Like, has your mindset always been that way? Or did you have to navigate through the ups and downs of golf to really find the calm that you're dealing with right now? Yeah. I mean, even like it goes ebbs and flows. I some days I'm I can act like an asshole. I try to keep it to myself. But like if you're, you know, you know, Joe, my wife, Lacey, like they would know when I'm being kind of a dick about it. Um, but I guess a lesson I learned, like I've always thought of myself as a respectful person. And I remember I had a really bad attitude for a while, like through college. And I can't remember if exactly what happened, but it was one day where I think someone like almost pointed out to me, like when, if there's two other people at least playing with us every day. And if I'm being an asshole out there, that person has to deal with me and I'm ruining their day. And I'm like, Oh, that's not what I mean to do. Like I'm just trying to ruin my own day. You're dealing with your own shit. Yeah. So like, I guess that's kind of when I also have a bad attitude in my own head now, but I try my best. Like some people will be like, Oh man, you're so calm and your attitude is so good. And it's like some days it's not very good. Yeah. I just don't want people to see that anymore because it's embarrassing. And it's, and it's rude. Like it's rude to the other guys out there that I play against who are also trying to do the same shit I am. If they got to deal with some little sour pus, you know, stomping their feet and stuff, but no, it's everything's a ebb and flow. But I think as I've gotten older, I've just realized that you're going to have good weeks, you're going to have bad weeks. And at the end of the day, you know, the journey is, is that that's, that's the fun part. The wins come, the wins go. Things, things, uh, think you'll have bad weeks, you know, where it feels like the end of the world, but like the fun part is just getting. Facing that forever. And I think as I've gotten older and appreciated that, I've appreciated some of the bad days more because it's like, all right, this is the day I'm going to learn when you win, you learn a little bit, but you, when, when you fail, you learn quite a bit. And, um, before I would kind of back myself away from that and be like, God sucks doing this, but no one that you're not going to win every golf tournament. It's kind of, you can appreciate the weeks where you have to grind and, and dig it out a little bit and turn, you know, nothing into something. Uh, so, but it's, it's all been a learning curve. I mean, if you ask my friends when I was 16 to 20, they probably thought I was the biggest tool bag in the world playing golf, uh, but I've been trying to get better at that. Brother, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on this show. And this is the best. Thank you. Yeah, man. It's been fun watching social media for those of you who subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe, our favorite golfer of all time, Max Homa. We're rooting for him this week at the waste management, buddy. I hope you take home that trophy. No gloss. No filter. Just stories spoken without fear. Bosson, who's not generous, cannot be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers. 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