UFO Gatekeepers - Rep. Luna, Burchett & Burlison Reveal A Plan To Fight Back

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Look, I just want to know what we're spending a billion dollars on. The bottom line. Your tail, I got one group saying they don't exist in the department. Other groups say they do exist. Burles and I have both seen things that we're not allowed to talk about. What the hell is going on? The intelligence community has a level of credible belief that they have the ability to talk to, like mentally talk to some kind of entities. James Likatsky came to you with government possession of NHI craft and how they ultimately gained entry. Can you testify to the veracity of that claim? You can't tell us. But maybe you can tell you where is that craft? Can you go hunt it down? Can you go see it? Are any of you willing to name specific gatekeepers within the root cell of the UAPSAP Federation? Glenn Gaffney. CIA. Can you go after an interview with Glenn Gaffney from the CIA and ask him, what was this all about, this UFO transfer that's now recorded in history? Can you go after him, you guys? This is weaponized. I'm George Napp. I'm here in the deep, deep cluttered bunker in Las Vegas because explosions might be happening today, Jeremy. Where are you? I'm in my same non-discollification. So, you know, since 2017, the New York Times story that blew things wide open, exposed the existence of secret government programs, ATIP was the one they named, ASAP we learned about later. Members of Congress have perked up their ears and have become interested in the UFO UAP issue. At first, it was very quietly. They did behind closed doors briefings from military folks. We know some of the people who delivered those briefings and then they become more open about their interest in it. We now had several hearings. You know, 50 years, UFOs didn't get a peep on Capitol Hill. Now we've had several hearings and we were at the last couple of them, the last one in September, an extraordinary panel of witnesses. And then I was one of them too, but I'm not all that extraordinary. Having investigated this issue for so many years, what is the long game with respect to disclosure of this information to the public? Well, the secret's out. I mean, how many videos have there been already? You know, videos that are leaked from within the military and intelligence agencies and contractors and sensor platforms, it's out there. But they have the high ground. The people that don't want us to take it seriously dismiss it, discredit the witnesses, come up with a cover story. I mean, it's been out there a long time. The public sense is that it's real and the people in authority dismiss them. It's a game that's been going on a long time. And I don't think they're ever going to release it. I think that there's an attitude among the people that have been involved in this for a long time that the public doesn't deserve to know. And that the public probably can't handle it, but they can. But, you know, I think members of Congress that we know are growing a little bit indecisive about what the future of the hearings might be. They're frustrated. They've been blocked. They are subjected to ridicule. They can't get the witnesses. They want information of DOW and CIA and others are saying they can't find it. They don't have it. And so I think they're a little bit frustrated and there were these have even been some talk about no more hearings at all. So, you know, we wanted to hear it from the horses mouth, but it's impossible to get say an interview with the three real workhorses on this issue in the house. Representative Luna from Florida, representative Birchett from Tennessee, representative Burleson from Missouri. They're out there every day, beating the bushes, pounding the pavement, trying to get to the bottom of these things, talking to witnesses and trying to really achieve something like transparency. Of course, it would be seemingly impossible to get all three of them on the in an interview at the same time, right? Yeah, that would be that would be wild. They'd be very hard to do. They're super busy, but I'm I feel lucky, George. So today, that's what we've got going all three of them are joining us to talk about UFOs, where things stand, and where they might head in the future. And I, you know, we understand their frustrations because we face the same kind of thing ourselves. We're not members of Congress, obviously, but we face the same thing and uphill battle pretty much every step of the way. I mean, I feel like I have a job with Congress from the very first hearing, you know, they made a call to find out what they didn't know. And bam, I worked each time, months at a time with them, just doing hundreds of calls and videos and helping do vetting. So I feel like I've worked a lot with them. I really trust these people. So first of all, it's just me and Birchit kind of getting our hands dirty, but now with the new task force. So this is the House Oversight Committee's task force on the declassification of federal secrets. And Rep Luna is the head of that, but she really wanted the others to be with us because they do a lot of works. Rep Burleson and Rep Birchit. You know, look, as you said, we hadn't had hearings in over 50 years. I don't think there's a fatigue on hearings. Kind of jumping with my opinion on that. I do hear them saying that they've had a lot of great witnesses, but I do know that they're getting blocked when it has to do with evidence with footage. They've asked for access to the UAP archives of footage, which we know exists. You and I have been exposed to a lot of that. And they are being denied access that and subpoena power. They haven't subpoenaed anybody yet. I mean, there've been the champions for disclosure, but the question is, what's the next step forward? Is it just having more people witnesses telling them, go look here, go look there? No. The next step is evidence. It's it's action taken on what they've already heard from people. You drop so many bombs, specific names. You gave the names of gatekeepers of the UFO programs. They have some work to do where they have to kick open some doors and I feel like they want to do it. And I feel like they will do it. But I think what you're feeling is something that we've felt a little bit of fatigue. Like you have to kick indoors to make project to make progress on this topic. Yeah, well, you know, on the impossible has been achieved. We've got all three of those members joining us today for weaponized and let's hear what they have to say. You guys are considered the champions of disclosure, like it or not with the public. You've been breaking them old. Recently, we've had UFO hearings again for the first time in 50 years and rep Luna with your house oversight committee's task force on the declassification of federal secrets. You held for the first time under that committee, the last UFO or UAP hearing. So I just wanted to hear for for me, each of you. You've heard a lot of testimony now. You've gotten a lot of leads. When you've gone to federal agencies. Have you received any pushback or anything where they've stopped you from obtaining information that you've lawfully asked for? Yeah, I think what was so neat about the last hearing is that Burleson had some footage dead drop to him. Obviously that was footage that they did not want to show the American people and they didn't even really want to show Congress. And so even in falling up on that, you know, it's one thing to have hearings. We have witness testimony and that is all valid. We can confirm the credibility of the witnesses, etc. But when you actually have footage like physical evidence and that's a huge deal. I know representative merchant just joined us a merchant. We just actually kicked off the podcast, but I was telling him just about the first hearing that we had. And long story short, you know, we were basically after that pretty aggressive on falling up with specifically the Department of War in one area, particular where we were told that a lot of this footage would be housed. And of course, I'll let the other representatives tell you what happened. And I'm sure you can already assume, but we were denied access. So, you know, my thing is this look, if you're looking at this from a strictly scientific perspective or strictly defense perspective. And you have members of Congress that are asking to see footage and then they're constantly being denied it. Why go through all of this orchestrated effort to block stone wall prevent information from coming out if it's not real. Representative Luna, I really appreciate you allowing Dean a tightest my representative from here in Nevada to make the introduction to me back in that September hearing was a nice touch. I've been lobbying her for a while on these issues. Can you give us a general overview all three of you starting with you represent Luna, then virtue, then burlison about the future of hearings. Is there any point in going forward with hearings if you are denied information. And even if it seems like almost Department of War and CIA are demonstrating contempt for Congress in refusing to give you information. And even if you could get them into a skiff, they have rules where they can't really tell you what they know. Yeah, I feel like to certain extent we've kind of hit the limitations and what we can do as a task force because remember they did not give me subpoena authority. There's ways that we can try to kind of go around that and I think we might make an attempt at that. But even then, so you know, it's way different than having total subpoena authority you're relying on whether or not other members will weigh in on wanting to send us to penis. And that's kind of where we're at also to, you know, I don't want to waste the American people's time. We can bring in more whistleblowers, but I want to bring them evidence. And so we've asked pretty directly to a get access to the evidence that is, you know, in existence that we know about. And then also to, and by evidence, I mean, whether it's footage, film, photos, et cetera. And then also to the we'd like that information release to the American people. So I don't know that it would necessarily be conducive to do another hearing. We don't have the evidence that we want to present to the American people. And so although I'm one person in this task force. And so I do win heavily on my colleagues. And so I'll kick it to birch it. Yeah, before representative virtue answers. I want to leave this into that. I was really impressed when we saw the footage that you guys obtained. So George and I have obtained a lot. We've been looking to see what's safe to put out. That was that was something we were going to testify before me. And George was we had certain assets the American public should see. So your focus seems now on the evidence and and that footage is important. And there was a monumental moment when rep brosin and your whole team put forward some footage. So yeah, I guess kick it to rep a birch it now. How you doing my friend. I would love to hear where you're at on all this you really fought hard with all this where we at. Well, I'm honored to be here with you, especially with ribs and luna and ribs and burls and they've really been in the trenches with me. I get padded on the back a lot just because you know I'm my incredible good looks. I guess puts me at the spotlight. But these two really, really ask the tough questions in the closed door meetings. And they push it and they push the envelope which they should. I'm completely discouraged as always with this thing as I was the very first time we met Jeremy and George, thank you, brother. I've always admired your journalistic integrity back when I was a I hate to say this always makes people feel bad back when I was a kid. I watched you and you know an area 51 and and all the rest of it is just you know and Jeremy and I first contacted each other and said that he was going to bring you along. I was the little star struck as you man. I mean, I'm hung out with kid or rock. So there you go. That tells you anything. And I would will tell you your. My dad would be very impressed with your office right there. My dad used to have a thing that said a clean desk is the sign of a sick mind. So obviously your mental capacity is very well. As I'm working as I sit here at the clean desk. Anyway, now I until we can get some some good. I you know I've said this many times until either somebody walks out of a lab with something undeniable proof in there and we can get it on YouTube before they're suicided or. The president of the United States comes to everybody says well president Trump ran on this not really it's it's kind of like Epstein stuff they just asked him in a press conference once or twice about it and he said yeah, well, sure, well, it's a release it. And now somebody's obviously got his ear and and we. We we need to get to it. I trust Trump. I think he'll do the right thing. But until we get to that level, I think we're kind of spinning our wheels. I love to get people to come testify, but we get diminishing returns as you all know. I mean, you all helped spearhead our very first hearing, which was incredible. I mean, you know, they said it was the largest attended hearing in over 10 years. And so and we broke some ground there, but I'm afraid we're just breaking the same dad come ground right now and we got it and with AI. I think we're getting set up a lot with stuff not from you guys, but from some others that just get you know they want to get a press release and they're going to put some something out and that coming. It looks great to me. I was looking at something this morning. I thought well, if that's real, I see it, but you know it's always it's just AI stuff. If I don't see it in my own two dead gum eyes, I don't believe it anyway now. Representative Burleson, you do you do you feel frustrated by DOW and CIA and those agencies that they have contempt for Congress and do you have something in mind that might make future hearings more productive? Yeah, I appreciate the question. I think that we've had some amazing people come forward so far. I don't know how we top the, you know, the level of credibility of the witnesses that have already come forward. That being said, I think if we have witnesses that have have the smoking gun in their hands or have have some really some different very compelling evidence, then I think that that would warrant having another hearing outside of that. We have a lot of long list that we've been accumulating over the last year and a half or more of people that we need to talk to. And that I think that if we were to call them to the hearing, these are people that would either plead the fifth or say that they can't talk because we're not Mr. Kiersepp. So it would be very pointless to do it. So I think that as far as our investigation going forward for the time being the only way to get to maybe the bottom of some answers is to is to do so through a subpoena process so we can give those witnesses cover and and then bring them into us to hear. And look, we have the authority if you know as you've seen, I demonstrated very well in the committee hearing a willingness to defy. You know norms and release to the public in from you know a video and so. But and so I think that the end of the day, if we know what we're doing is for the best for the American people, you know that the three of us are going to do that. And so I think that that's if that answers your question that's kind of where the investigation is going from here. We have a list of also names of files that we're going to be requesting that we have people have tipped us off these files exist. So you know it will see if they turn us down on that as well. Repulina you need subpoena power right to make this happen to your committee needs subpoena power. I've always wondered if we were given this committee the task force. They said you want to investigate UFOs find here. You also got JFK RFK MLK Epstein files like they were giving you enough rope to fail and a limited time frame. You took the challenge on anyway. Yeah well, that seems now a full committee hearing so that's now purviewed your distinction of all of the oversight just because it's such an immense thing. By the way, for an update on that, we're still winning on a list of names from the victim. So we've been falling up weekly with the staff and we haven't gone anything yet just for a quick update on that. But yeah, as I from that, I mean the JFK stuff we found some significant findings. We don't have the smoking gun per se, but we have more than enough to say that that government was absolutely involved without a question of it out. And so we will actually have a final report coming out on that, but specifically to the subpoena authorities really how the task force has really been functioning all on personal relationships. And so we have gotten some and I don't want to say that the entire federal government is against what we're doing because the fact is is that there are certain directors that aren't that are very much the support of what we're doing. And we have had a lot of open communication sometimes directly and maybe not necessarily with the staff than like the under the lower level staff, but definitely at the director level and they've been supportive of it. So I think that you know the difference between this administration and the last administration is the last administration didn't even pick up the phone. This administration's picking up the phone and we are getting some forward momentum. Part of the reason why I said you know we wanted to specifically declassify at least to classify the stuff that we've seen. I think that the American people deserve to see that. And you know if they think that it's a spy balloon if they think that it's you know a Chinese drone let them decide but definitely don't keep it classified for no reason. And I think that that would answer a lot of questions. Certainly you know I came in looking at this to see what evidence we can be shown when I'm being told as an investigator you're being denied evidence. Well what do you think that says so it's definitely has been an interesting process. But I think moving forward you know we're going to continue to push on our end and to enter your question. We can do other things which we might try to do depending on if you know if we think it's going to be successful or not to kind of work around not having subpoena authority. But again you know they gave me the task force because they know that I know the rules and so we're figuring out ways to make work. I feel like McGiver kind of from a parliamentary standpoint using the McGiver is so. Yeah can I can I watch something you know yes something I think needs to be addressed is I saw this morning Elon Musk said that if he thought any of these were you know UFOs were from out of this world. I'm others fancier words being used but but he said you know from what he'd seen within his space. It's stuff that he thinks it's all domestic or whatever it's all from this earth and that that goes back to our point that these departments by design are so compartmentalized. I was talking to a lady from NASA last night at a Christmas party and she was asking me if I thought the UFOs were real. And I said ma'am you have this you define the problem because you all have been so compartmentalized that you know and Luna and Burleson I suspect will agree with this if they don't don't embarrass me here on on that. I'm not a podcast but you know within departments I mean we'll have people tell us yes they exist we this is what we're saying and then another one say no we don't have any evidence of that. And it's just so compartmentalized by design to keep us off the track. You think they'd get some unified front and they'd have some blue ribbon committee or something but the reality is it's just you got some people that are trying to control. And that's what Washington is all about control is power it's money and you can figure it all that out that's what that's what the problem where the problem lies I think in a lot of this because. You when I sit in a meeting with these guys and we've all been in the skiff and you know we've all talked to pilots and we've talked to whistleblowers and then you talk to somebody else in that and they say no we don't I don't know what they're even talking about you talk to our own intelligence committee. And you'll have members say wow this is something going on in another one will say. I I don't believe it like this we don't we haven't seen any evidence of this so anyway I think that that's really part of the problem is that we don't have a group that's actually spearheading this and they're all chasing available tax dollars. Because until America came out until people like yourself just. Came forward you know if and then we did the polling and 55% of the country something else is going on now everybody's you up oh crazy at these departments are coming to us thinking they're going to get more funding not that they believe anything's going on so that's that's that in that part of problem I'm sorry I didn't mean to jump in on you I'm not supposed to be drinking no no this is an interview of you man I want to nip on a nip that in the bud I've heard that so much and I think it does a disservice when people like must talk about it that way we know these are not our black projects if you talk to the pilots from the tick-tack episodes right there are protocols for black budget when you see them we spent so many resources investigating who's these are who's these were we're not sending our own craft up over new. Clear sites and UFOs go back into history so far that's a white wash of the truth when people start saying these are our black projects maybe one or two but when we're talking about the vast majority of what looks like a reconnaissance mission men we have a real problem here and if we're investigating by saying oh these are just hours then we're missing the point I want to go back to footage real quick arrow just released on their site some three more images of UAP it's hilarious I have seen George nap has seen we've obtained better footage and rep burlison we should talk about that we're talking about having people testify with evidence we've offered that before that's something George and I could talk to you about physical visual visual evidence but under arrows releases they said the performance characteristics and behaviors are unremarkable and do not warrant further analysis so they put out three videos that they're not even going to investigate because they're unremarkable why did they put them out when you and your team were able to put out in this last hearing a great piece of footage have you heard more about that footage so far they're not going to investigate because they're unremarkable why did they put them out when you and your team were able to put out in this last hearing a great piece of footage have you heard more about that footage so far they're not going to investigate because they're unremarkable why did they put them out when you and your team were able to put out in this last hearing a great piece of footage have you heard more about that footage you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put it you put To say and to put out certain information yet deny Congress access, we have the letter where the street of denied out of the Department of War with this footage is housed. Us even the ability to see it, even in a skiff, that's a problem. It's a problem for a number of things. Even let's say, let's play devil's advocate. Let's say that this was technology from a foreign government. Don't you think you might want to inform Congress, especially the oversight bodies of Congress to ensure that these things are legitimate? And so we have to be careful because the task force is valid and they've tried on a number of occasions, not just with this, but other things. We get people that talk to us all the time, giving us BS stories. But then we have the legitimate ones that come forward. My concern is that if we put out then information that is wrong, then they have a reason to take the task force. So it's a delicate bounce of things, but I do appreciate my colleagues and I call Representative Burschett and Burleson, my co-chairs on this topic. So I'm going to kick it to my co-chairs. Please follow you guys are doing and we'll be in touch soon. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Thank you, Rep Luna. I think Arrow is, I think they're showing their work, if you will. They're kind of in a predicament where they, I don't think that they're getting the access that they need. That's the sense that I get when I talk to the people in the Arrow that they're kind of getting stone walled at some aspects. So I think that what they're attempting to do by releasing these photos and these videos that they just recently released, and I'm not speaking for them, I'm just saying, like in this world, for example, we had the Lou Elizondo image that somebody gave to him. He even couched it that he hadn't had time to look at it at this photo of the UFO and really it wasn't. The UFO is a geological feature of an agriculture area where there's two discs shaped, you know, fields make it make the appearance of a floating UFO. If you guys remember that photo, well, that it's good that that's out there that people know that that's debunked, right? And the more I think the arrow can do to take any kind of photos or videos that start entering into the mainstream and debunk the ones that truly need to be debunked, then we can move on. So it's to me, it's like finding a needle in haystack. It's going to be a lot easier to find the needles if you start separating the parts of the hay from that you know are not a needle, if that makes sense. So I think at the end of the day, we have to work with agencies like Arrow, but also know that it seems like I don't know that I can trust anybody up here, anybody in this town. So you just you just kind of have to have to know that going into it. You released this video during the September hearing and it was a bomb going off. Have you had feedback from the Department of War or technical folks who may have worked with the kinds of sensors that picked that up who said, hey, here's what that is and try to explain it or has it been the opposite of that? It's that the only thing I could say is I can't talk about it. Repurchase. So you know, you've been fighting tooth and nail on this topic and I know it gets frustrating sometimes recently you've been talking about how you were informed of underwater bases not kind of thing. Did you find when you were informed about that that it came from somebody credible and is that something that's actionable? Yeah, I did actually and it's funny how when these things come out as I know you dare me and you George of both and and to Eric. Or ribs in Burles, excuse me, he's my buddy. He's a great friend. I'm probably close to half a dozen people in Washington that I'd actually trust and Eric happens to be one of them. He's a catch your virtue. Yeah, I don't need any compliments, dude. I'm good. You're a man. You're steady and you study the things. And you come to a rational conclusion. I tend to sometimes get a little emotional and jump at some of this stuff. You'll a little ticked off. But yeah, you know, I've talked to several people and just the numbers alone when you're seeing that the sightings are over the ocean and then you do the little more research and a lot of these areas are deep, deep water areas. We have five or six of those. I'm not up. I don't know enough about the ocean. Obviously, as they've stated many times, we know more about the surface of the sea. The moon that we do this ocean floor, but these things are happening over deep, deep water areas and we have testimony and we have people telling us they got on sonar, something big as a dead gum football field going 200 miles an hour under the water. I mean, you know, I I've shoot guns occasionally, but if you shoot, if I'm set at the end of the pool, say I've got a 45 and I got a 30 foot pool and I shoot it, it won't even probably make it to the wall. And you know, the wall of the other side of the pool underwater. I mean, you know, this is something that we don't understand and yet we've continuously hid this stuff and not put it out to the public and I there's got to be a reason for it. And I don't think it's ours because we can do we can put something around 30, maybe 40 miles an hour underwater. We probably had something a little faster. But this is something exponentially faster than what we can understand and it's obviously not some animal. I mean, a megalodon was an even big as a football field. You can look up with it. That's a clear store shark. They always have is a tooth of it. They don't have anything else, but you know, that's evolution, I guess. That's scientists. I don't know. But anyway, yeah, and I've talked to too many people. It just seems to me that the with the science that we have in our limited brains capability that something traveling light years is just beyond our grasp. So to me, it makes more sense that if there is something out there that they would have to be something based in an area. Now, where the heck are they going to base it? They're not going to base it in Knoxville, Tennessee or New York City or I mean, even in the Amazon because it means it was satellite capabilities, but these deep, just stand a reason that deep water would be where it was at. If we had this kind of capabilities, I'm just talking statistics and then I'm talking to the, you know, an admiral who stood right here in my office. I remember right before he went up that door, which was kind of unusual because you guys been in my office, everybody walks in the regular door, but he wanted to go out the side door. And then as I was walking him out, he wanted to avoid anybody. He said to me, just looked at me straight in the eye and said, Kim, these things are real. But I've had other sense after I've come out with this, you know, because people will openly mock me. My friend Matt Gates had me on and he, I think he shares a similar belief and he was asking me about it. And I said, look, I'm not saying it. It's the truth. I'm just saying that this is statistically where this stuff has happened. So immediately what happens is guys like me and Burleson get made fun of when we come bored with something like this. But here I am at a dead-gum Christmas party last night. Nobody asked me about Obamacare. Nobody asked me about the border. Three people. Three people. And these are educated people. Come up to me and say, hey, brother, what's the story on these UFOs? Or they say, I'm a believer. I saw something. I can't explain it. And they say, thank you. I'm walking through the dead-gum airport, Washington, D.C. and this rather large man walks past me. It's kind of unusual because he was carrying a, um, thought it was a volleyball, but it was a soccer ball. Obviously, I didn't play either one of those of like football, but probably due to the head injuries. That's why I'm sitting here talking to you all like an Abel and idiot. And I'll never get this. It was three weeks ago into Washington airport and he was going the opposite direction. And he said, and I said, that's kind of unusual. I didn't pick much of it. And I heard some of you, a Congressman merchant, a Congressman merchant, and I have an inner-earth problem. So sometimes those voices, I think, are inside my head. And I turn and this rather large man walks up to me and says, you know, I won't say what department he worked for, but he was in the intelligence. And he looked at me straight in the eye and said, are they real? And I said, I believe they are. He said, that, that, that, come it. I knew it. And I, you know, we had a conversation. It was just, you know, it was just a random deal. So America's hungry for this and thank you guys both y'all. You two, Eric, but these two guys have been, they're pioneers in this thing. They've been carrying the water on this forever because America wants to know the truth. And I think we deserve another truth. Again, I, I've been in many conversations with people and they start on me, you know, little green men blah, blah, blah, flying saucers, whatever, birch, you've been proged or something. You know, I just something smart, Eric. And I said, look, I just want to know what we're spending a billion dollars on the bottom line. Your tell, I got one group saying they don't exist in the department. Other groups say they do exist. Burles and I have both seen things that we're not allowed to talk about. But the hell is going on and where's our dad gun money going to? And, and that's what we need. And that's why nobody trusts government, not just the UFO issue, but the whole thing. Because we are arrogant and we think we know better. The Bible talks about that and says, professing yourself to be wise, you became a fool. That gun this town's run by fools because we need to trust the American public. Because I mean, these are educated people coming up to me, dude. There's not all just people like me. These are heavily educated folks that are talking about this stuff. So, all right. We heard you're, but it really gets me ticked off and you guys have been great. And thank you, Bruce, and because that gun, you came at this thing and wide open. And, you know, and and you've been some things have been disclosed to you that have, you know, that you, you, you maybe at the time didn't, didn't fully grasp it all, but that gun you got it now. And I appreciate you, brother, because you're not one of those that turns on you. You don't turn in run. So, thank you, brother. Representative Berkscher, we heard you say to in another interview that you pretty much know where at least five of these bases are and that you know why they're in that spot. Is it something beyond its deep and its hidden? Or is there some other reason where these USO bases might be where you believe they are? I think it's deep, it's hidden. And I think some people know about it. If it if in fact they exist, I think they do. And I, you know, the more you get into this thing, the more the, the people come to you. And I'm, as I stated, I'm a Christian. I'm not a very good one. And people talk about it being demonic and that back and forth and how it could upset the balance of Christianity and stuff. And I just don't believe that, dude. I think Genesis 1, God created the heavens in the earth. First chapter of Ezekiel, Ezekiel saw the wheel, a wheel within a wheel. And I just, I think it's honestly, do you think where the best God can do? And I think there's some people that get it. And either they're not allowed to talk or they've been silenced. And that's why they just create it. People like me and Burleson are attracted. But to you get hammered with the same kind of stuff that Jeremy and I get slapped with pretty much every day. And it kind of rolls off our backs after a while. Has anyone taken it further where they, they want to use it as an issue in upcoming elections for either or both of you? Yeah, they have. They've used it against me. And it's more of a whisper campaign and a dark money kind of thing. For me anyway, it, it affects my ability to raise money. If I don't raise a lot of money and that's how they kill you off up here is they cut your, I'm not, I'm not able to raise the money that a lot of my colleagues do. But go ahead Eric, I'm sorry. No, I've had a reporter who I think is an absolutely, his demonstrated that he's a disgusting person, actually try to recruit my opponents. So on social media, if we're on over this topic, if they can shoot an idea, it, I'm not afraid of that. But it, you know, there's certainly, we do draw some attention, some negative attention. Has anyone come to you and said, look, there's a good reason this has been a secret for so long. You know, we've had other presidents have expressed interest in it, other members at Congress over the decades. There seems to be something that they use at the end to tell people like you guys, this is why we can't spill the beans on this topic. I've had that deep throat moment, you know, the moment where the Nixon thing where they come to you in an area, you know, and I always heard there, I always use somebody you know that's close to you. And I've had that moment. I was in the tunnel. Somebody of that kind of shocked me, really came up to me and said, birch it, said, you really want to do this. You really want to upset this apple cart. And said that how it could affect, you know, religion and all this other stuff. And I go back to Mosquits. I don't know if you all remember Jared Mosquits in one of the opening press conferences. Jared, I'm jealous of his brain because he's got it. We don't agree politically on a lot of things, but his brain is incredible. And he said, you know, this, this, the arrogance of these people thinking that we can't handle this. It's not there. It's not their job to decide what we can handle. He said it much more eloquent way, but anyway, but yeah, I've had that moment. I mean, I for more than once, but one particularly sticks in my head. Representative Burleson, same thing. I've had some amazing conversations. A lot of people that won't come forward are some of the most amazing conversations, whether they have their, their story is that they worked for a contractor of a contractor of a contractor, right? And then they were basically working in some way or touch this topic, encounter to UAP directly. I've spoken to people who, who the intelligence community has a level of credible belief that they are, that they have the ability to talk to, like mentally talk to some, some kind of entities. That's, that's a, that was a conversation in my office that I'll never forget. I'm not saying that I believe everybody that I talk to, but what I, what I do believe is the people that come forward and the people that I do talk to, they believe what they've experienced. And, and I, and I don't think that, at the end of the day, I take, that's why I'll meet with anybody pretty much anybody. A lot of, and when you get involved in this topic, you guys know this. There's so many factions in the UAP community that you'll have people say, well, you can't talk to that person. You can't trust them. And they're what, you know, X, Y, C. I don't, that's not my, that's not the way I operate. I will talk to you. I'm not going to, I'm not, because if somebody has a beef with another person, I, I'm not going to, I don't have the beef, like right, with the other person. So I'm going to talk to them. And I, and I'm going to listen. I'm going to take them seriously, but I'm also going to, I'm going to try to, like, keep that information in the kind of, um, ascertain what is, what, what can you truly investigate to verify what they're saying? And then, and what, what's, what's the truth, right? And so, um, I do believe that a lot of people coming forward are true patriots and, uh, and they, they have seen something that they can't explain. Um, no, I, I do think that sometimes people do jump to conclusions often. And I, and I, I've come to the conclusion that if this is real, if the truly is UAP, it's probably, and we all have to recognize this that 99.9% of the photos, the videos, the, the, the interactions people have are probably not something extra or trustable. It doesn't mean that maybe just maybe that 1% truly is, but I think that we have to recognize the fact that, uh, I think Elon Musk was probably right in that if aliens do exist, they're pretty subtle. Uh, I think that they're pretty good at hiding themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Tim, uh, represent Berkshire, you've, uh, made public statements that you're trying to get 15 minutes with the president to talk to him and do encourage him to go ahead and spill the beans. I'd like to hear from both of you. What percentage you, you would give on the likelihood of that happening because as you're both, no, he's had briefings before I, he's heard from our best pilots. He said, yeah, these are brilliant guys, but yeah, I don't really believe it. All right. How do you think 100% if I get 15 minutes, the way they might not talk to him about it. Um, what he'll do is, is, is a Trumpism is what he'll do. I think where you're going to come about the truth, there are one of two ways. It's going to be outside of the government. The government is, I don't believe that these, the Intel agency or the Pentagon is going to, is going to actually come forward with the evidence. It's going to have to take an executive action by the president or the other way that it could happen is completely outside of of this government, uh, whether it's private individual, um, or, or, or, or another country. I think that that's probably the scenario because we just have too much pushback from within our, our, our established, um, you know, military industrial complex. I got a question for you. Um, rep burles and so I remember when you showed the, the footage that you were going to put out in the hearing and what was great was George and I had already been exposed to that video. We were able to confirm it. If you remember, I got you on the phone with somebody later that night who was a Navy officer who was, who was able to affirm to you that that is an actual, um, you know, it on a server, a UAP being fired at to the best of their knowledge. So you've really put yourself out there. You've fought hard to, to get this information forward. I just want to recognize a few things you've done. In the last hearing, you encouraged people to read the Immaculate Constellation report by Matthew Brown. You said that during the hearing. I really appreciate that. I think it's very important. It takes such great courage to come forward and we acknowledge that and I hope that you see that we are taking that seriously. And so very thankful for what you're doing today. I'm also very thankful for previous witnesses that have come forward. Um, I see Matthew Brown in the audience. He courageously stepped forward and was as a, as a witness. Um, I encourage everybody to, to look and seek his, his testimony. You also entered into congressional record. You, it was, these words will ring for me. You said, I'm entering Lakatsky's claim for the record regarding the DIA's assessment of nonhuman craft entry and materials that was based on George's in my interview with Dr. Lakatsky where he says, we have the government has a UFO. He ran the UFO program. Dr. James Lakatsky came on our show. He ran the UFO program for the Defense Intelligence Agency and he admitted on our show that they breached the whole of a UFO in government possession. If you reported James Lakatsky came to you, um, with government possession of NHI craft and how they ultimately gained entry, can you testify to the veracity of that claim? Dr. Lakatsky is an honorable man who served most of his career with the DIA, a very trusted high level rocket scientist and intelligence analyst who inspired the OSAP program, as I said earlier. He said this craft, we had managed to get inside of it. It had no wings, no rotor, no tail. It had no fuel, no fuel tanks. They didn't know how it flew or how it was operated. It clearly looked like it was aerodynamic, but he would not go further. He's a, by the book guy and until he gets clear it's to say more about that, I don't think we're going to hear much more, but it's not ours. It was an ours. We didn't make it. We made it and how it was built and how it operated. We've got at least one and I don't know. I think that's enough confirmation that we do have rubber discs and material. And you put that in congressional record. Do you have a way that you can, you know, find out where is he can't tell us, but maybe he can tell you where is that craft? Can you go hunt it down? Can you go see it? You know, that's an interesting question. When it came to LeCatsky and I watched his interview that he did with you guys and I, here's, here's what I, my response to him is because he was frustrated that we had reached out to him, but he also kind of, he also admitted that which is what I was told and the reason why we haven't reached out to him is that he's not going to tell us anything that's not in his books. Well, hold on, hold on. You did reach out to him. There have been three hearings. I reached out to them on behalf of Congress officially. That's right. That to say, and I had congressional members talk with him the hearing before the last one. He just forgot. But the point is is that maybe with you guys in the correct environment, with the right clearances, he can tell you where it is and you can just put this to bed and go find it. Yeah. And I remember that I remember that he was one of the people that we attacked, that we had tasked you to go to reach out to and for those people that are kind of asking what, why would we, why, well, how do that relationship work? We don't have all the contact information for all these people. Why repeat the work that you two have done in building these contacts from your networks? And so you basically, patriotically dedicated your time for free, helping us make contact and kind of coordinate some of those witnesses. And I had been told that Katsuki is probably not going to reveal anything that he has already revealed. Everybody, when I talked to people, it seemed like it wasn't going to be new information. And therefore, to me, he wasn't as high of a priority. But to your point, I think getting him in a skiff and seeing if there's, if there's maybe any additional room for him to talk, that would be, it might be worthwhile to do that. I think he might, I mean, the last conversations that we've had, it seems like he's edging closer to the idea that under right circumstances, he would be willing to share information with Congress, which would be great. I want to ask you this, you're both aware of the film age of disclosure. The one thing that was new to me in that film was the statement by James Clapper, former DNI, admitting that the US Air Force has had an ongoing UFO investigation, a UFO program. In one sense, that doesn't, that doesn't surprise me at all. But for him to say it on the record, that seems like that's something that Congress could pursue, should pursue. And Clapper needs to explain how this thing has been hidden and the US Air Force has to be called on the carpet to answer about that, right? I agree. I agree 100%. When they make a public disclosure like that, we need to, we need to call them on the carpet. And I would hope that we would, would get to the bottom of it. The problem you'll have is, of course, when they get the pressure and they get the visit from the guys and the suits, they're going to say they're odds misquoted. It was taken out of context and the usual stuff and the usual suspects will walk away. And then we're left scratching our heads on what the heck's going on again. And I warned folks, everybody, you know, and Eric, Eric's seen this happen many times. And they put us in the skip with somebody and then they tell us something, you know, we're not allowed to talk about it. And then that's why a lot of times I won't go to classified briefings because I kind of know what they're going to say. And I'm afraid if it's something that I've already processed that I can't talk about it. And it's a trap. And the big boys use that on us. Representative Burleson, that's, that's, go ahead. I think we need, we need to have a conversation with Clapper. I think that it's going to have to be behind closed doors because we, there's no possible way that he will agree to come to a public hearing, unless he's subpoenaed because of the other out activity outside of UAP that, you know, that he's currently being investigated on by this administration, right? So I think that we, you know, we, we will have to have that conversation in a private way. This seems like the US Air Force has been incredibly non productive and non open, not very open with Congress, with the public ever since the December of 2017 when the topic got a real jolt from the New York Times article. You know, the Navy has made it easier for pilots to report the stigma has been decreased. We don't hear anything from the Air Force, you know, project blue books, supposedly ended their investigation. And even though it wasn't much of investigation, it was more like a PR exercise and they've been silent ever since you know they've got data. You know they've got videos and evidence. And now that we know that there is an ongoing program seems like they, they need to come to Jesus and, and, and, and spill some beans. I agree. Yeah, it's very, I agree. I agree. I couldn't agree with you more. And I'm looking forward to that day, but I'd warn you, just like that big UFO report that is supposed to come out about seven years ago or whatever. And I said, it's going to look like a, they're going to, and they were saying it's coming out tomorrow. It's going to be big. And then I said, it's not coming out tomorrow. I said, they'll, they'll pull it back. And what they have was a real report that told us some real facts that would have shook up the status quo. And they pulled it back and I said, it's going to look like somebody shot it with a 12 gauge of all the stuff redacted out of it and that government has exactly what happened. They pulled it back 30 days later and they brought out this bogus report. It said absolutely nothing. And there we are. I think we need to hear also from the Department of Energy. What seems to be an area that has not been, that there's not much oversight over, over the, over the classified sections of the Department of Energy. And so I think that that, that's an area that there's, there's some strings that we need to pull in there. So like closed door briefings or in skiffs or public, we all want public, but there are some things that got to be done behind closed doors. In the last hearing, when George was testifying, I think it was repurchased who asked the questioner, I think it was both of you, you know, who are some of the gatekeepers? And George actually named the name Glenn Gaffney. Are any of you willing to name specific gatekeepers within the root cell of the UAP SAP Federation? You mean specific people and contractors that have dealt with us? A specific, specific, specific individuals. Glenn Gaffney. CIA. Glenn Gaffney, CIA. Another question for you, Mr. Nap. He was the CIA's Science and Technology Head at the time when Lockheed Martin was trying to take UAP material and transfer them over to the OSAP program, which was the true UFO program that received the $22 million called OSAP. Dr. James Likatsky ran that. So he gave you in testimony. George did a name of one of the gatekeepers, Glenn Gaffney, CIA, Science and Technology at that time of the material transfer of UFO materials from Lockheed to a government program called Allseup under the DIA. Now that you know that, can you go after an interview with Glenn Gaffney from the CIA and ask him, what was this all about, this UFO transfer that's now recorded in history? Can you go after him, you guys? You're right, Er. Yeah, I think we can certainly reach out to one of the people that's on my list. Well, at this point, we've got, I mean, it's a long list. And we're, I'm going to have to go to the chairman, chairman, Comer and kind of ask him what, you know, in kind of, even the list to say, this is, these are the people I need to talk to. Some of them we may have to subpoena. Are you willing to do that? And that's what, that's where we are at this point. And so we've been gathering those names and those files. And that's our next step. You also said that you and Bertie might use, I don't want to keep tripling it to him. The reason why, I don't want to keep trickling it to him because I can't do that to the chairman, right? I really need to just bring it all at once as opposed to, you know, occupy his time on this. Right. Like here are the subpoenas we need for this task force and here's the whole list. We want to talk with them, not even in the public realm, but we need information because we've been given information by people that have testified that they have information for us. So I suspect you're going to do that. You also mentioned to me that you and Bertie might do something on the floor about subpoenas hostile on hostile. Did I get that right? It was a previous conversation we had. Are you about to do something? That is a possibility that we could, that Tim and Anna can, in our committee, drop a motion to actually subpoenas these and it would be one motion. If that, you just, you didn't idea why, why we're building up to this. It would be one motion and then just like what happened with the Epstein list, that was done by Tim. Correct me if I'm wrong. You were the one that offered that motion to subpoena the Epstein files and to subpoena the that information and that was done in one motion by Tim in our, in our oversight, one of the subcommittees. If I remember right. Yep. So that's something that we can do. I want to make sure that we don't, I'm going to talk to the chairman before we do that and make it clear. I mean, we're going to do it. If you, we're, we will, we would prefer to not be, have to do it behind the chairman's back if that makes it. One last question, drones. So drones be devolving the public all over the East Coast over sensitive military installations. 17 nights in a row over Langley. They shut down right Patterson and then we were told, even though the FBI is investigating it in another agencies, oh yeah, that's approved. No worries about that. Where are we on drones? Is that all explained? Did that mystery go away? Tim. I'm going to jump in. I don't think so. I, you know, I, again, he's dead gun UFOs. They keep saying there are. And then say why are they risking multi billion dollar aircraft in, in personnel? I don't think, I just don't buy that. I don't buy that at all. I think, I think if they come out and say what they know, and what I think they know, I think they'll, they'll show that our, we let our guard down and that these, these things can, could easily shut us down. So they have to say that. Whatever the drones are, I suspect they're more domestic than they are intergalactic. But I, because they, they stay in there longer than anything that we have commercially available. And, and I think if we, if we, we said, oh, hey, we got these things, these things are, could shut us down. Then I think our enemies would realize what they, some more of our enemies could realize what they could do to us. That makes sense. Representative Burleson, same question. Yeah, I think that the, we have got to his nation. I mean, we've been caught with our pants down, whether it was the Chinese spy balloon or the drones in New Jersey. It's embarrassing that this country we can't really defend ourselves. There were rumors in, and Capitol Hill during the, that leading up to the inauguration that there might be a drone attack. This were just rumors. You know, and if you think about it, if you, if you haven't attacked, it's somewhat similar to what happened with, when you crained, launched hundreds of drones on, on the Russian military bases. If you, if you can imagine a semi truck launching, you know, drone, hundreds of drones at an inaugural platform that's, you know, where you have all members of Congress, the, you know, incoming president, the vice president, and, and nearly, and the richest people on the planet, all on one stage, and, and you got to take down hundreds of drones. I think that we have, as we have got to figure this problem out, this is a real problem, whether it's, whether that's that kind of threat, or at an airport, I mean, God forbid somebody lies a drone into an engine of a plane. We, we have got to figure out how to take these things down. I, I really want to say I really appreciate the way you guys are fighting for this and corning. I know you get your hands dirty. From the first hearing with rep, if you remember rep, we were pushing a, a bolder uphill, but I feel like we have to look back and say we've made a lot of progress since then you've got all these great people you're working with now. You're all fighting for it. I've seen you in the trenches rep, burlison. I've seen you out there doing investigations too, and I, I really appreciate all of that. I can tell you intel agencies are scared of you. They are scared of Congress and I offline. I'll explain that to you. The direct interactions I've had, you guys have power. You have power to, to dig in and uncover some of this mystery about the UFOs. And I, I know intel agencies that want to keep this tight are worried. They're going to try to cut the legs out of what you can do. So you have a real opportunity right now and I really appreciate you guys fighting for it. And I, I like that the team is building and growing. I think we're going to make progress if you guys keep fighting. I really just appreciate you. Thank you both so much for your time. Thanks for the time. We appreciate it. So obviously what we heard from those three members of Congress, they are frustrated in not being able to get the information that they, that they want. I mean, their constitutional duty is oversight. It's right there in the original founding documents that they're supposed to oversee the executive branch, the military CIA, and it's clear that they're not getting cooperation from those and other agencies and they want subpoena power to try to help get past that. And number two, we asked them about a US Air Force program, which was the one big thing that I thought was especially newsworthy in the age of disclosure film where James Clapper, this long time intelligence, Hancho admits that the US Air Force has been studying UFOs and collecting information, which of course we all suspected was going on. So it's not a surprise in that sense, but it is a surprise that he would admit it in public on the record. And I think that they're probably going to want to dig into that. The third thing that comes out of this for me is they've actually kicked around the idea of not having more hearings because they're so frustrated and until they get the powers they need to actually force people to come forward and testify whether they are friendly or unfriendly witnesses, I think maybe there might be giving it a pause for a while. I hope not. In my sense, even though they're not getting all that they want, the fact that they hold the hearings at all is so supremely important. It tells the public in an undirect, non-direct way that this is an important issue. And it galvanizes public interest. And I would think it generates new witnesses. The one thing that we don't hear from them is whether or not they feel there's a need to evaluate disclosure, if that's what it's going to be, to figure out whether it's really a good idea. How put off our mutual friend, Dr. Howe put off, I have known him for almost 30 years. He's revealed in public a number of times in the past couple of years that he was part of an extraordinary experiment and a gathering back in the regime in the first administration of George H. W. Bush, father Bush. They gather all these big brainiacs together in DC, gave them all this information and asked them to figure out whether disclosure is a good idea. And although how put off is in generally in favor of the public knowing more, by the end, and as were some of the other people who were in that room, by the end, they looked at the checklist and figured, disclosure is not such a good idea. They maybe Congress should consider something like that before they take a step that is irreversible. And figure out whether disclosure is a good idea and how far you might go in revealing information to the public. Yeah, absolutely, man. And I don't think they're going to stop doing hearings. I think what they need to be doing is focusing on video evidence. They admitted video evidence and in private calls with them. They've admitted the video evidence is the key. They are being denied that video evidence. I think we can help them out, George, on that. That was the intent a long time ago with you and me, testifying at all, was showing them some of what it is that has crossed our paths along the way. Right now we've got Arrow and I know rep Burleson was kind of defending Arrow. Like I think they're just doing their job, you know, they're trying to eliminate things. And that is true. I'm sure there's a lot of great people working at Arrow, but from a public standpoint, I know for a fact that they are giving us low information videos up there. And then afterwards just saying the performance characteristics and behaviors are unremarkable and do not warrant further analysis. Come on. We've seen the best UFO videos come out from the military through journalism. In fact, that they're putting up these really stupid videos. I'm sorry. I got no love for that. Representative Luna said to me on a call the other day, she's like, I want to defund Arrow. I think they're being disingenuous with Congress. So look, they have to take the power back. And I think there's a few ways to do that. They mentioned getting subpoenas putting them in a big list, taking them to their boss and saying, these are the people who want a subpoena. So I feel like they want more hearings. They just want to be able to get the right content in those hearings. And that's what they're fighting for. Yeah, it was interesting to hear that they have developed a long list of names of people. They want to pull in and question and a long list of file specific files they've been told about that they can't get access to. It was really interesting is a representative Burleson. We asked him about the video that he uncorked at that congressional hearing back in September and an amazing piece of footage that we had seen before. And I was wondering, look, did some experts, did the military come over and try to tell you what that represented, what the real deal is he can't talk about. And it sort of goes to something that Representative Birchet said is he no longer goes to classified briefings because you go in there, you hear something, you can never talk about it. And that applies to things he knew before he went into the briefing. So he's not going there anymore because to him, it seems like a trap. Well, he can't talk about it, but I can tell you that he was not told that this was just some ordinary thing. You know, see that's the problem as you're saying we're going to classified briefings. This is not a result of case and at all. And so I think that it sucks that he had to hear that in a classified setting and can't reaffirm that to us, but I can tell you that I can guarantee you that that is not a video of something that is known. And that's why it's still identified as UAP. But anyway, something that happened at the hearing, there's this cool little clip where you're walking, you know, right past, right after you testified and rep Burleson reached over to you and says, look, you know, we've got people. We want to subpoena. I could use your help with creating that list. And I have definitely helped, you know, kind of give names to that. And our show has helped give names to that. But if you have more names, George, you were asked that the hearing by rep Burleson on camera, I called a little clip of it on camera. And you should help him and give him some of those names because he is putting Santa's little list together of subpoenas, both hostile and non-hostile. How powerful would that be? Because if he doesn't want to do it behind his boss's back, wants to go take it to his boss and drop it all at once. But he also did mention that on the floor, they can do it with one swoop once they have all the names together. What did you think of George Napp here naming some names today? I've got some names. I want to be able to request you. I've got some names I want to go over with you, people that we're looking at potentially as phenophony. Or I will help Matt some speakers of that list. So are you serious about subpoenaing names? I'm going to say that Kurt's repacking. That's what I was requesting. That's what I look at again. I think we've had enough talk. It's time to bring the people in. It's time to shake things up. And otherwise, nothing's going to break loose. It's going to continue to be the status quo. So I highly encourage that you also, George, like help give them some names. I've got a few. I bid you. I'm down here in the real low bunker and it's been infested with cats. I don't know if you can hear that in the background. It's not well. He wants a little airtime. Well, I think it was great that we were able to get all three of them on at the same time. I think it's great that they know that they're welcome on this platform anytime. They want to share a message with the public. And it seems to me that they are all still strongly committed to getting to the bottom of this. And that's great for the public. Yeah. And one last thing about something, hopefully they can be armed with. You will recall we've talked about it before. You and I did come into a hearing at one point when, when before you testified and you were able to show rep, birch it, a hundred plus page technical report on the TickTack UFO stuff. And that was unable to put into congressional record because of the agreements that I've been made when journalists obtain certain things. And you, that's an honor. It's an oath that you take. And I understand that. Why that's important to me and I'm bringing it up now is because every time I talk to these spooks, they tell me, well, we don't look into the TickTack stuff because we don't have enough data. They love not dealing with the TickTack because of not enough data. All the spooks come out it that way. Now here's the deal. There is data. There is information. And people asking me should be in position to obtain that information. So I just want to call bullshit on that. There is a ton of data, a ton of data on the TickTack UFO cases. And I really hope that can get into the right hand so it can go public. Well, I feel the same way. I don't see anything in the document you're referring to. Not that I have them, but I don't, I'm unaware of anything. I'm not aware of anything in those documents that should not be made public. There's no, there's nothing that's going to endanger US national security from making that information public. So far, I guess DIA has said they can't find it. I can help them. I think I can help them with some people that worked on that program. And I think they should be exposed to similar videos and things that you and I have been exposed to because what's being put up by Arrow is total bullshit. Yeah, one thing we did not get into and any detail in this conversation, but maybe we'll do so privately is that there's something coming for them. There is something coming aimed at Congress that is going to attempt to get them to back off. And because Congress is a threat, as you mentioned, Congress is a real threat to the keepers of the secrets. You know, the mainstream media, the major players have been intimidated and abacked off. New York Times started this ball rolling with a really great story by Ralph Lumenthal and Leslie Kane, but they're not publishing anymore UFO stories. The Washington Post has been purchased by a billionaire. Its editorial policy has changed quite dramatically. They're not going to dump out some UFO stories. The major networks, news networks have been intimidated. They've had to pay millions of dollars to the president for perceived slights. They're intimidated to a great degree. So, you know, the media landscape has changed. That means the members of Congress are the only ones really with the power to get to the bottom of this. And so, I think they're being targeted by something that's going to drop real soon. And I hope they can withstand the pressure from that. Right. So, intelligence agencies are afraid of the power that Congress has for oversight. And you and I have seen directly that there is a crosshairs on Congress to try to influence manipulate and cut the legs out of their UAP inquiry. And I think as long as they're forewarned, they didn't seem too worried about it and actually seemed pretty hip to it. They seem to understand that they were a target. This is something a conversation we had offline, not on this show. But yeah, we've given heads up that we see the writing on the wall, what's going to come at them. And, you know, we'll see where that goes, but I think it's not going to be effective. And these individuals, you know, love or hate their politics. I don't even know a lot about politics, but as human beings, they are fighting to try to get this in from their curious, like you and me. So they're finding to try to get this information. I'm really appreciative. All three came on. That was Rep Luna's idea is to get us all together, which I thought was really cool. So I hope people enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. George, thanks for doing weaponized with me. And, you know, maybe we should do a year end review after this episode. What do you think? Yeah, that's a good idea. But let's not make it at like three in the morning. You're like a spade driver, you know, get in the way. We'll sleep. All right, man, you take care. Thanks George.