"Gushy" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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I call it a flourish. A flourish? I call it a flourish. Is it flourish or flourish? I guess it's regional. I would say American Flourish. American Flourish title of it? American Flourish. Oh, shit. I don't know that that would go together. Well, okay, the headline is we just got back from the Olympics. Thank you to NBC and YouTube for sending us. And yeah, if you want to hear specifically about them, you can listen to Two Guys, Five Rings, which sort of bookend this by coming out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But we talked a lot about it there. But being American nowadays, hmm, in a word, hmm. In a word, hmm. Does your name show up in the Epstein files? It does not. I can confirm my name does not show up in the Epstein files. And if it does, I have to say it's the other Matt Rogers. And I'm pointing all my fingers everywhere else. Because as you know, I am like millions of Americans. My name is Matt Rogers. But if there's one in there, it ain't me. Are you in the E-Files? I don't think so. But I will also blame the other Matt Rogerses of the world. It's them. Are you the only Bowen Yang? No, no. There are certainly others. You know, it was very like Broad City, the episode with Alana and Alia Shawkat. like um there's once i was once friends with another bow and yang on facebook remember that era of social media where it was like your only handle on a site like facebook was your real name and you could search via other names like government christian religious names like what your like other people you can find community this way and so i i i tried that with another Bo Nying and he seemed to be very weirded out by like my outreach. He was like, I don't want to just on the basis of name connect with you. He's like, that won't be enough for me. And I understand now he's he was he was way ahead in emotional intelligence. I could shout out one other Matt Rogers who is actually a Grammy winning country songwriter. Mm hmm. Not the one with the Christmas album. Different Matt Rogers. OK, so there's one that's a Grammy winning country songwriter. that's separate from the, like, sort of, I'm just going to say, raunchy, more conservative comedian. American Idol. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's different than the American Idol guy. That's a fourth one. Yes, which is also different from me. This is Into the Spider-Verse. Literally. I think there is, like, a multiverse sort of action comedy. I think you could write a multiverse Christmas special with all four plus of you. Yeah, this guy, Matt Rogers, is a sports podcaster. But his handle is politidope, which made me think he was like a political person. He's a dope fiend. Oh, yeah. Just to go back to the Epstein files of it all for a second, I have been wanting to say something, which is that I feel in a real way, what's kind of getting lost in all of this is the fact that, yes, it's kind of becoming this political game of like, can we get Trump and all these horrible, awful men? And then people have said before me, obviously, that there's real victims here. I feel like I just want to put out there and just reach out to everyone that it's not just the victims in this case. This is like, when things like this come out, it's like incredibly triggering for anyone out there that has any history or experience with being abused, whenever that happened in your life. And so I have just like really been wanting to say to everyone, like, because it feels like an incredibly rough, dark, awful time. Obviously, I know we're all feeling it, but I just wanted to show love to anyone that is feeling like really harmed or triggered by this being casually in the news every day. and I feel like we sort of get so numb to every single moment feeling we have to be on high alert when we watch the news or receive any information about what's happening in the world but I did just want to stop and say this is not normal this should not be in our lives every minute of the day this will they or won't they about whether or not there's going to be accountability in this awful thing which is I would go out there and say the biggest scandal maybe ever. And even that feels like diminishing what it is, which is just sheer pain. And so I just wanted to reach out to all of our listeners and say, I'm sorry if this is hurting you and if this is triggering something in you, because I really think it's starting to become very cavalier, actually, the way people just kind of like throw the Epstein files around. and it's not okay. And I'm at the point now where I'm just like, we need to burn the whole fucking thing down at this point because we need to start creating and living in a better world than the one we're living in where we're still protecting these people. That's what's coming out though is the casualness. Like it is the way that like these people like were joking about openly calling themselves pedophiles. Monsters. But it's like they're not even like hiding behind. It's like. No. There's not even like an irony behind it. It's like they're like, yeah, this is what we do. Anyway, what a great note to start this podcast. No, but I mean like. No, no, no. I'm not. I'm not. I'm just. I'm just popping the bubble. I don't. I'm not like. No, yeah, for sure. What you're saying. We were talking about this. It's been a time when the dark stuff is so beyond anything I think we've taken in direct succession again and again and again and again. It's not just like, oh, that thing happened that's sad. It's, oh, that thing happened that's like devastating and would never have been in our purview in other eras like where we were out here consuming, you know, news and media. And it's like bizarre to comment on pop culture sometimes. Like, I don't know if you feel like this lately, but like, I haven't consumed it. I guess what I'm saying is like, well, I don't know, algorithmically, like maybe I've just pushed the wrong buttons because now it's just all this like conspiracy stuff about like the Epstein of it all. And I'm just like, I have to put my phone away and back to back off and like give myself a hug because it's also fucking crazy. but I think that in a time when we're like commenting on pop culture and stuff and it feels like so blended in with our political reality and the dark reality I just feel like we have to say out loud like this is like it's it's been unbelievably bleak and I just want to show love to our listeners and the readers and everybody all everyone under the umbrella because I know I've been feeling like shit like shit yeah i have sort of done the thing that i do which is i sort of ensconce myself in like which is i think what everybody is doing it's like oh let me just fully burrow and like comfort and like i've been very like everyone's like let's hey like we're going out to this planet i'm like no thanks it's everyone's being christian wig at me being like hey come over here and i'm like no No. Well, you did go to that Lunar New Year party. That was fun. Yeah. That was very fun. Which I didn't know until after the fact that it was Hudson Williams' birthday party. Wow. This is where I go, I've fully aged out of things. It was like... Did it seem like a young vibe? No, no, no, no. It wasn't even that. It was just... It's not that I've aged out. It's just that I am fully in my introvert agoraphobia bag. Like, oh, I was like, oh, right. It's fashion week and it's lunar new year. And it's like, just all these things are happening. I felt like I was just in the thick of things and like the, the main event of the thing, which was the Olympics. And okay. So like, this is just taking stock of like what this year has been for us. We did Oscars. We did, I guess you could say we did Coachella which also felt like another like Nexus energetically like a thing that people like talk about go to like just a meeting place a thing I don't know and then like stuff over the summer right like US Open like we've gotten to like go to these great I would say like fun things and then like Olympics and then like SNL 50 and then just like it's just been a very overstimulating year we've been relentlessly plugged in that's for sure and like something about going to going from like olympics right into like another concentrated burst of activity just made me go like okay this is like more than anyone is like meant to handle and i actually and my heart goes out to people who like work on this schedule of like having to be at these like high concentration, like biomassy events where like people gather and people like, cause I'm like, this is, this is a lot. And you just see like the billboard of the world everywhere. It's like, you see every fucking brand and thing. And then it makes you, it makes us kind of go like, wait, I guess like everyone's job now is just to like say how much they love like this this brand or that brand including us like I did a freaking Super Bowl ad for goodness sakes like it's just I am dealing with like like I thought I had done like the post-mortem of like the big like flashpoint of my life in January and now I'm like oh it's still ongoing there are still things that we that like I'm about to go to Antarctica tomorrow like there's I am done being stimulated, to be honest. I think you need to make an active choice to just... I have said this to you. You need to learn how to be bored. I love being bored. Oh, my God. So what I've been doing, this is all to say, I have been... Like, a million things came out this weekend that I, like, wanted to see or, like, wanted to engage with, and I just haven't... Like, I still haven't pressed play on the Wuthering Heights album. Oh, my God, you haven't? I also saw the movie. I am like, I'm bursting to talk about it. So you're as usual, like, and I'm grateful for you. Like you are like going out into the field in the words of Wendy Williams, like you are in the field frightened of Cronova. Cronova. Like you. I just did that. I mean, like there's so many things to talk about. I guess I think that what I'm delineating from what you're saying, which I think actually is a pretty universal thing right now. It's hard to show up. Yeah. Showing up is fucking hard right now. Like, showing up is weird. Showing up takes a lot of energy. I think everyone in their life right now, it's also a weird fucking time of year. People are not doing well. Things are not great. And so everyone's dealing with their own saturation at a certain level. And that's, I guess, why I just wanted to get on here and just, like, try and show love to people. Because it's been really hard. like it's been a really weird, dark start to the year because it's one system. Our one soul, like our one cultural soul right now is not happy. And maybe that sounds woo-woo or like bizarre, but the present condition is like extremely, extremely depleting. That's it. And I think that means that we can't or it's very hard for us to show each other empathy. And I think that it's just important that we do that for each other and that we do that for all of you. And so with all that being said, I did see Wuthering Heights, which was devastating. Oh, in what way? So sad. Uh-huh. But felt right for the moment because it felt a little cathartic for the moment, like this bleak fucking portrait of tragic like romance. I think I loved it. Okay. You know, Emerald Fennell is a controversial figure on this podcast because it actually was Salt Burn and our reviews of Salt Burn, which caused Tina Fey to come in here and do her authenticity is dangerous and expensive. I don't think so, honey. Because we've had, I think because when you go see a movie of hers, there is a lot to talk about. Like you, you therefore leave with a lot of strong reactions. And I've realized that that is good and maybe makes her one of my favorites because I am leaving now with a ton to say and feel and more. And I think at least that in the picture of everything that's going on right now has been kind of a good thing because I did go to the theater and for two hours and 16 minutes, I didn't think about anything else than what was truly happening on screen. You know what I mean? Like it gave escape. And I think that artistically, creatively, culturally, that is what we need because of what we're talking about right now. It being incredibly hard to even show up in the bleak ass fucking reality. I need more of this gushy type of movie, like fantastical reality stuff. And you know, I've even been thinking more and more about getting into video games. What has, what's piqued your interest? I think just exactly what I'm saying. Just like what's a way I can occupy myself in another reality and another dimension that has nothing to do with, really with social media and with reality. Yeah, so to me, like, it's no like there's there's something uh intellectually logically great about anytime someone's like oh that person is really into video games and they like and with that connotation it's like they are a shut-in or they don't socialize much or whatever right all my life I've like kind of reckoned with that. And I like, I'm a little bit confused and I push back on that notion a bit where I'm like, I'm a social person and I love video games. You're a very social person. And I've balanced those two loves like all my life. And then as we're like, as you and I are talking about stuff where we're like, oh, like we're working on things that are about like people trying to get in somewhere and get into places or like who are very aware of the way that things are stratified in this world just even you talking about like going to a movie and escaping for two and a half hours i know this is like well-trod stuff where it's like this cinema is an escape but either there's like a really interesting binary now of like people are either staying home and isolating and like that's like loneliness epidemic blah blah blah blah blah or it's like people are ravenous about going to the the right party, the right fashion show, the right movie, the right concert, whatever. Yeah. Like, it's either about, like, complete curation of your own, like, internal space, or it's about, like, aggressively needing access to something that's outside of that. Yeah. It's a higher anxiety around all of it. I think as a result of the world being the way it is and also post-pandemic, like, us coming out of the first couple years of that, which were like a frenzy. And now we're settled into just like, okay, this is now fully post-COVID. Movie theaters are really struggling. Like it's hard to get people out, you know? And then I go see this one. I can't believe you haven't even listened to the Charlie album. I've listened to the singles that have been put out. I've not listened to the full, like the full album. Yeah. I laugh as these words even come out of my mouth, you guys, because I get what it sounds like. so I'm not gonna say it's my favorite Charlie XCX album I am gonna say I am blown away by her a fucking again and I don't understand how she did this doing everything else she was doing the just impenetrable brat machine that's been going for two years she somehow found time to not only do this companion album to Wuthering Heights but to completely crush it and push herself forward in a way that she clearly like finds acceleration in being busy because the strings and Charlie XCX, we had heard that this was going to be what she was going to explore musically, that there was going to be orchestral, you know, elements. The push and pull of the strings on some of these songs to create tension, to ride the waves of what these characters are going through in the movie. I had already loved it before I saw the movie and then I saw the movie and I enjoyed it even more. She has real talent in terms of what she can do cinematically with her music. She's got a huge future, probably. And she didn't score this movie, but she did the music for it. But I would wager to guess that she is going to have a huge future. She already has a presence in, obviously, in the culture. Yeah, well, in culture, obviously, but in film culture. Yes, yes, yes. What she's capable of is so good in terms of atmosphere, cinematic atmosphere. She clearly got this rendition of Wuthering Heights because it isn't Wuthering Heights. It's like a bizarre sort of slant version. It's a slant version of Wuthering Heights. But my God. And it's like her lyrics are more poetic than they've been, yet it's pure pop but it feels like it's for the movie theater it's she's on one of course she i think she was saying in interviews for this project that during the chaos of brat era that she was like you know uh emerald texter and is like will you do a song and she's like i'll do you one better I'll write a whole album. And then she escapes into like the Bronte sisters Or I think she like at least read Wuthering Heights and that was like the escape that she needed from this Like I think like again we're not saying anything new about escapism as it, like, functions or as we, like, need it, like, on a sort of, like, psychological level. But, like, I think that is thematically, like, obviously, like, running throughout all of these things in the current moment, as, like, you and I are talking about all of these things kind of wearing us down, like the world being, like, things, things politically being completely helpless and powerless. Like, anytime, like, we try to think of things in terms of politics, in terms of, at the end of the day, it should just be about making sure people are better off, that materially, like, even our Laura Dern episode, that, like, made me come away from things being like, wow, even she has an awareness of the fact that people do not have the things they need to survive in this world. Like, that is what is true. That is universal, basically, except for, like, a very small group of, like, let's say Epstein-y people. But, like, otherwise, like, everyone needs this. Everyone is tapping into, like, escape. That's all. Yeah. I don't know. I'm saying things that are, like, so true. No, I mean, generally true. The opportunity to get this as an artist for her was clearly leapt at. You know what I mean? Like she, I feel like I don't like talking about them in the same sentence because so much has been made about it already. But it felt like what folklore felt like for me when I listened to it in terms of Taylor. Whereas this is like an experience outside of herself, aka these novel, the novel and this film. And it, but it's still all the things that Charlie does best. Like it's incredibly emotional pop on this landscape. It's just the landscape is different from what we had come to find from her. Did you ever read this book? No, never. Okay, I had never read it in high school either, but people talk about it like it's one of the ones. People ride hard for Brontes. It's so dark and fucked and Charlie was the perfect person to ask to do it because there is this like pouty fatalism the entire time, especially watching it and knowing it's going to end incredibly badly. I just, John August said on Instagram, he posted like a picture of the poster and this is when I had just left the film and I was like, huh, and I'm sitting with it thinking about it. And then John August said, Emerald Fennell makes the movies she wants to see. I fucking love it. And I was like, you know what? In that regard, I'm actually thinking about all three of her films differently because you can even watch the three of them. I haven't done this yet. I think I will. But you could even think of them as operating in the same timeline, like in the same universe. Like she has a color palette I really like watching. Again, her departments are on 10, Charlie now being one of them. She clearly has people that want to give everything to what she does. I think if I have an issue with this movie, it's just the fact that because it is not actually Wuthering Heights, like, therefore, the story's not doesn't feel like it's completely on the screen. Like, it's just maybe not enough happens in act three for me to be like really taken over the top with it. but what I love about this movie far outweighs what I don't like about it. Like I just love fucking choices. I think what I needed right now is what we're talking about, which is like this big Victorian cartoon with huge emotions and like sex and like blood. And I just really heavy handed sound design. And like, I just loved again, how gushy it was. It felt like, it felt like an entree size dessert. Whoa. Dessert for dinner. Felt like ice cream for dinner. Felt like too much pie for dinner. And I, and I love that. Yeah. It was indulgent in all the best ways. Like someone said that it's their favorite movie out of the three she's done because it feels like it, it, it least has to be about something. whereas you know like Promising Young Woman is obviously about S.A. and about the patriarchy and the poison that that is and then this is kind of just like yeah here's a tragic fucking romance blown all the way out you can tell it's probably you know her favorite novel so much so that she didn't try to remake it she just said I'm gonna make something in this image because I fucking love it well because romance you can do forgive the term at scale. You can blow out romance all the fucking way. Yes. And we appreciate it. And we appreciate it and it works. It can be, you know, romance can either be super small and intimate or it can be, it can horseshoe around it being the grandest fucking overture thing ever. And it works on whatever scale. I think if you're going to do a class parable or like something about wealth about wealth and if you're going to do something about sexual assault like that is those are those are big swings that i think people really want to see like the landing stick and they have intense reactions to those that like i mean both both those movies garnered intense reactions and it's because what she does is incredibly bold so she brought that boldness to so much of this movie but it didn't feel like even the moments that felt like sensational and that we've come to expect from her they felt balanced now because across the board we were just living in a heightened reality that and not to say that it wasn't about anything because obviously it's about so many things it's obviously about trauma it's about It's about trauma, Jamie Lee Curtis. Yeah. It was funny because like, you're just like, isn't everything, but in a real way. But I guess what I'm saying is this, I was excited to see her adapt an existing work because I was like, now she can just focus on putting all of her onto it. And I really liked seeing all of her onto it. And Jacob Elordi, I think his Oscar chances increased I don't know if he'll win, but he's fucking great in this. He's amazing. Yeah. Oh, well, I can't speak to this movie, but I generally find him to be unbelievably talented and great at what he's done. Like almost pound for pound, like roll for roll. I'm always like, well, yeah. I think I didn't really know. Because to be honest with you, I'm kind of a neophyte when it comes to being exposed to his gifts. Because I'm not a euphoria girlie. I'm not a euphoria girlie. It kind of makes me dizzy. Of course, I understand. It took me, I think I watched the first episode of Euphoria and then waited like a full two years later to watch the rest of the show. And he, from the beginning, is like, well, who's that guy? Right, right, right, exactly. You know what I mean? I feel like watching Euphoria in the very beginning, it reminds me of being in like, in like seventh grade, when you were in health class and you were seeing, like the day in health class when, I'll never forget this one day, maybe everyone had a version of this, but there was a day in like seventh or eighth grade was in health class where they were talking about STIs and they were showing pictures of stuff that could, maybe this was like a scared straight tactic, but there was pictures on the board of like, what happens to your body when you get this STI or that one or that one. And it just- I modeled all of those pics. It spun me out so much that I remember one day all the blood left my face and I had to lay down on the table and then I was sent to the nurse's office for two hours because I couldn't, like, I just, I don't know what happened to me. But I get that feeling when I watch Euphoria. 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I have appreciated Sarah's work specifically because I'm like, oh, this is like there is like a political commentary that she is making about like shit coming out of her. like a hamburger helper coming out of a butthole or like you know like her nipples hanging all the way to the floor I'm like oh we're all just gristle yeah and I'm like but she's doing it in this artistic way this I might just should I just start a Sarah Sherman stand podcast like I have I have enough I could talk about this girl forever if you did a Sarah Sherman podcast it would get listened to like it would It would be in the top 200. Bowen Yang, Sarah Sherman podcast, 100%. I'm going to do it. But she's right, and she should say it, and she should keep saying it. And she should keep saying it. It's like that in Wuthering Heights, too. It's like there's so much... Blood and gore. Well, not even blood and gore. At the end, you get stylized stuff. I don't think I'm spoiling anything here to say that the film ends in significant death. and it is, you know, tragic and stylized and not to call it death romantic, but it is romantic. You know what I mean? Like it's in the definitive way. It's just grand and it's a statement. And I've said this about her other films too. Like she has a fascination with the corpse. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Like in the first film, I'm not spoiling. Well, this is a spoiler alert for Promising Young Woman, but at the end when Carrie is murdered, there's a moment, yeah. There's like a lot about her corpse and the way it moves and sounds and the way they have to break it down. And then that happens again in Saltburn when, spoiler alert, Jacob Elordi is found in the maze and you hear the flies around his body and you see, I believe it's Richard E. Grant goes up to the body and tries to move it and like the sounds that make are very stiff. It's just, it's all very, I mean, the first scene of Wuthering Heights, I'll say a spoiler alert for 15 seconds, is a man is being hung in the town square and the entire crowd is like ecstatically and euphorically looking at his erection while he takes his last breaths. breaths. And you're like, okay, we are at Emerald Fennell's Wuthering Heights. And then it just continues. But it is this fascination with corpse that act and like, like corporal function or lack thereof that kind of does connect Sarah Sherman to Emerald Fennell. And I bet you didn't think that would happen there at the end of that thought. No, I, I love it. Any, any, anything that relates back to Sarah Sherman that makes me happy. But it is there. Like, there is... I don't know. I would be interested in the perspective on that. Like, if we ever do have Sarah Sherman on this podcast and ask her a real question, or Emerald Fennell, just like I would ask, like, where are you coming from when you tackle the human body this way? Like, I do think it's fascinating. Well, the thing that I would genuinely love to ask Sarah is she draws the line at what she will not ever touch. It's boogers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, Sarah, why don't you like to do booger stuff? Or why don't you like booger stuff? And all she's ever been able to say to me is, I mean, we're grownups. Are we seven? So much of her humor is like, and then their head comes off. And yet boogers are like, what are we, children? She's like, I mean, that episode with her, it's rare we get blackout. But we didn't even drink that much, can I say? We had one martini each. But we felt drunk. Well, it's kind of like that thing, again, warped reality, escapism. It's like we wanted to be drunk, and so we were. And so we were, totally. Wait a minute, back to you potentially. I feel like we've always been at the precipice of this, of you wanting to try video games, and it never totally works. Well, because I can't figure out how to plug it in, really. Or get the games on the thing. Once I figure out how to load games onto the Wii, it's over for you, Hoes. You can easily, I think there's plenty of resources out there. I think you have people in your, in sort of your network and your orbit who can help you with that. In the words of Charlie XCX, I want to be taken out of myself, which is one of the new songs on the album. There you go. Take me out of myself, someone, and show me it's possible to become a little gamer. Because I really was one. Like, when we were at the Super Nintendo Museum, I was like, I was this girl. I was, that little girl was me. Was me. Can you talk about, I'm going to give you like a little Helix Sleep quiz. Okay. Do you want narrative or does story not really matter? I think this is an annoying answer because I would get nowhere with Helix by saying something like this. It doesn't matter. It would depend on the type of narrative. Like if it's a compelling narrative, 100%. But also my entire history is in like achievement-based Super Smash Brothers type Mario Kart type stuff. I one time played the Super Mario RGB on the Super Nintendo, which I thought was a great game. The Super Mario RPG, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, I thought that was amazing. Uh-huh. They re-released it. They remade it for Switch. Did they? With the same narrative? Same narrative. They just updated the graphics. Wow. Cool. So when we played Split Fiction a few weeks ago, what did you think? I loved it because you know what I loved about it? The fact that I felt like it was clear what I was supposed to do and how I was supposed to do it. Is that an example of a game for babies? No, I don't think you need to worry about for babies because there's like a running joke now among the gaming community that like games now, so this might surprise you, games from when you were a video gamer as a child and in your younger years were harder than they are now. Really? Yes. and I know that might be hard to believe there's obviously games that are there is like a genre of games that are purely about difficulty and about like you are supposed to die and fail like roguelikes Elden Ring, Dark Souls from software games so like Patty friend of the pod, Patty Harrison loves those games that's where she and I differ I do like a bit of hand holding and I think you might as well I think the perfect balance for you is, and I try to get you on this, is Zelda Breath of the Wild. Yeah. So there's something, okay, and I'm just gonna say this, and I'm gonna, it's just my truth. Okay. There's something about Zelda to me, which is a shame, which is that there's no humor in it. I see what you're saying. I think I need things to be a little sillier and dumber or more... Final Fantasy's a great option. There's like a lot weird shit. I think Dragon Quest is actually really a good option, which is what I've been playing the last 72 hours exclusively. Dragon Quest 7 Reimagined. You, I think, and I think this will motivate you. I think Jared, our friend Jared, loves the Spider-Man games. Yeah, he does love the Spider-Man game. And those are wonderful experiences. I think you would really love those. Great storytelling, great voice acting, great gameplay. you really do feel like Peter Parker or Miles Morales as you swing around. Okay. It's a wonderful time. Considering. And there a great Asian villain Oh really Yeah I looking for something else to fill my time with as I head tackle the which I think we all must do the social media addiction and social media reliance. Like, just having the phone not be a thing, got, like, the reality that that really needs to be more of my life, like, got me on this. And so I'm just, like I said... It's a great cure. It's a great cure. Take me away. Take Me Out of Myself. What is it? What's the Charlie Lyra? Take Me Out of Myself. Yeah. It's so good. I'm excited for you to listen to it. And every song is good. There's a song called Seeing Things, which is amazing. Always everywhere. It's so good. There's a wall of sound. This song, Wall of Sound, in the movie, it's like I said, the push and pull of the strings. And Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi, there's something about it where in the beginning, I was like, is this, do I like them together in this? And then by the end, I was like, yes, I like them together in this. I think it's just part of the stylization again. Like, I did not expect myself to go in and be like, fuck yeah. But I'm leaving kind of being like, fuck yeah. Okay, great. I love this. Did you watch Bad Bunny? I did. Of course. Of course I watched Bad Bunny. Featuring Estefania? Estefania and Enrique. Martin. Is that his full first, is that his like full name? I have no idea. He'll just be always be Ricky Martin to me. He's having a huge month when you count the Super Bowl and the fact that almost all of the ice dancing routines were to some medley or version of Ricky Martin's greatest from the 90s. So in the round of ice dance that we saw, it was a 90s night. And so it was a lot of Ricky Martin, a lot of waiting for tonight. Not just J-Lo, not like the broad J-Lo catalog, but it was like waiting for tonight. Some of them mashed it up with If You Had My Love. But it was really staggering and you went, okay, okay, here's another version of this. And then I mean, I loved UK doing a Spice Girls medley. There were so many great choices. Again, probably the best choice of song they would ultimately win was the French pair doing Vogue. Because it gave you something to latch on to. Sure. But I will say every time you heard Un, dos, tres! Allez, allez, allez! You were never upset. No. And we were living la vida loca. Yeah. And I'm happy that Bunny brought on. Oh my God, of course. You have to. You have to. I'm still playing Where's Waldo on that shot of all the people at the house. Mm-hmm. Still people partying. I just thought it was like what the billboard was saying. It was like this gorgeous explosion of love. I was like, ugh. That was Benito giving everyone a hug. That was Benito giving everyone a hug. That's, I guess, what it is. It's like showing up now in a way that's that visible means like, okay, here's your opportunity to send a message to the world. And the fact that he, as a person with a worldwide platform, said, my message is joy. My message is love. My message is togetherness. My message is positive. My message is hope. Like my message is not, wow, this Olympian that's speaking out like in a way that is a loser, like whatever, not to even bring out a given because they're all such fucking jokes. But Bad Bunny shows up with a worldwide platform and his message is, hey, here's the most fun, most expressive, most passionate music of the year, fresh off my album of the year win. Here's everybody. Here's a literal party on stage. Here it is. And received, for sure. It's like the tight shot of him walking through sugar cane. It's like, it's intimate. It's like you're following someone through this organic, natural thing. I don't know I mean like we're already like two weeks after the fact because we've been bouncing around doing our various jobs but like I think it's truly one of the best one of the most indelible one of the best it was up there for me with obviously Beyonce obviously Gaga and the Shakira and JLo one I always put respect on its name and I do rewatch the Katy Perry one a lot I actually love that Katy Perry halftime show. Someone, I think there was a clip of it that went around of like when she said I know a place, sing it, and then the whole stadium did sing where the grass is really greener. You gotta hand it to her. You have to hand it to her. Like, a whole stadium doesn't lie. It's actually rule of culture number 20. A whole stadium doesn't lie. A whole stadium doesn't lie, but you do go like, Katy Perry and the current day is tough. This is purely, purely us retrospectively being like, what a lovely moment in Super Bowl halftime show history. And that's really it. I mean, look, I am moving forward with arms wide open for everyone that isn't an evil fucking hag. Like, that's the energy I'm moving forward with, and I think that's what Bad Bunny would want us to do. I just, I feel like all the little quibbles and quabbles, like, not to say that people shouldn't be, like, held to account for like things that they've done. But like, I am mad at Katy Perry. Like the world is too, the world is too much to hold, to hold the bad feelings in your heart against Katy Perry. I think, I think, don't you think? I just think about the nun. I just think about the nun. Fair, but I'm saying the nun, if the nun was really walking in Christ, wouldn't the nun say forgive? her dying breath. Katy Perry, please stop. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius, like are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on different houses in different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict? A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast Doubt the case of Lucy Letby we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong Listen to Doubt the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. 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This season, an epic battle of he said, she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I have done nothing except get pregnant by the bachelor. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of forgiveness, what do you think is going to, how do you think this Tyra Top Model documentary is going to pan out? The fact that we're talking about it this much, as in like you and I and like our friends next week we have on. It's the highest anticipated event of the year for me. I cannot wait to see this shit. It legitimately feels that way. I feel like Netflix has not put this much pre-promotion into something like this in a long time. Well, they don't traditionally... I agree with you. It does feel like there's been lead up to this where you don't traditionally get that with Netflix. They kind of are like, hey, something's coming out in two weeks. Flop. Yeah. Yeah. Because of the way they move through their content. But this does feel like it's being eventized. And then for her to come out and be like, America's Next Top Model season 25. And she said, my work is not done. I said, I couldn't be more interested. Couldn't be. Was this what we were saying last time though? Cycle 20, the cycle that we were watching on VH1? I mean we watched the last one that was on at all and by the way I never told you this but there was one contestant I won't say who but I remember watching it because we actually we recapped it for Vulture but I was watching it and there was one girl who all of a sudden was just kind of gone like she was like a she was like maybe made it to I don't know top six or something and then she just left and it seemed like everything wasn't all the way well with her In cycle 24 and the end of the week, Harvard? Yes. And last year. Oh, no. I walk into a coffee shop around where I used to live in Queens. And there's this girl talking to the barista. And I'm like, where do I recognize this girl from? And it was her. And so I had sort of a friendly relationship with the barista. And so I'm looking at her. And then I look at him and I communicate with my eyes like, I think I recognize her. And the look that he shot me back was, don't. No. Don't. Don't bring it up. Don't. And I was like, well, I wasn't going to, by the way. Because once I clocked. You knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, because I feel like especially with Top Model, like those girls, like you don't. I would never want to get into it with one of them because it's so clear that it was not a healthy atmosphere. Like that's the entire conversation around it now. That's why we have this documentary. So I would like, but I was thinking in that moment, like it was so wild that his reaction to me was to shake his head with wide eyes because clearly people were affected by their experiences to put it mildly adverse ways. And so now it's it's to see it occupy the news again, especially at a time when we're talking about how young women have been subjugated and treated and trafficked across the world. I don't know if it were up to me, probably wouldn't be bringing it back. But, you know, I do. We think that Tyra is. Eager to return to it because she feels like there's something redemptive. I think she wants to do the right thing. I will say that. I really do think that she probably thinks, you know what? I hate that this is the narrative around this. I too was once a young model. I know what it's like to be treated, you know, in ways that, again, to put it mildly, were unsavory and like, we can't even begin to know. And I'm sure she doesn't want her name and something that she, you know, brought into this world to be associated with destroying the psyches of young women trying to work in the very same industry that she made it in. I'm certain that she feels like there is an opportunity here. And I really don't believe and don't want to believe that it's just about her image. Like, I hope that she wants to restore what she broke here. Right. Because there was a time when that show was at the forefront of reality television. I mean, yeah, you could argue that it defined... That we wouldn't have a drag race without Top Model or... Yeah, because it was, because Drag Race, there was a time when Drag Race was just, was like very actively parodying Top Model. Well, yeah, the entire conceit is based on that format. Mm-hmm. That Rue in drag was Tyra, and Rue out of drag was Tim Gunn. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The Project Runway meets Top Model, and you get Drag Race. You get Drag Race, totally. Which is to say that, like, image-saving, like, I think is part of it for Tyra, but I don't think that's, like, a totally inadmirable, I don't think that's, like, a bad thing, necessarily. like she I don't know I don't know we don't know her so it's hard to say but it's like at this point I would just want to assume that with everything we know about how dark the world is and how fucked like at this point it's like you wouldn't you wouldn't consciously bring back that television series to make things worse like you know you're not gonna like line them up and be like all right which black girl we turn in white you know You know what I mean? It's never going back there, but I would imagine and I would hope that they just try to do an honest depiction of what it would be like for people to come and try and make it in the modeling industry and not sensationalize it for dramatic purpose, which is unreal and harmful, but also not sanitize and go all the way out of the way and make it toxically positive because low-key, those are just not fun to watch. So make it competitive and make it edgy and make it relevant to what the industry is. But let's not chop a girl's ear off because the challenge requires it. Sure. Underrated gem. I think people must watch OMG Fashion. Hosted by Julia Fox. With La Roche. Yep. And rotating judges. It's just you're in and out. Julio put me on. I think he put us both on it. it's like Julio's favorite show it's like every episode is 25 minutes you see it's like three contestants per show it's a breeze it's a breeze oh it's just delightful and you see people like make fashions it's so fun like what do you want so have you been exclusively on the video game tip or have you been watching any Bravo I've not watched much Bravo at all I've not no you're watching Summer House or you want to talk about Summer House I'm watching Summer House and it's hard because I love Kyle and Amanda both. I know. And I feel like one thing I really don't like is when couples fight in front of people and their friends. Like, I- Is that happening already? I'll never forget. Oh God, it's just like, it's so thick. It's really what it is, is it's just two people who, and we can say this because we've been around them, we know them. They clearly love and adore each other. They just shouldn't be together. which we know is happening but it's watching people in real time kind of realize like the anxiety is creeping up in different ways for both of them which is like oh my god this isn't working and now I have to decide to extricate myself from the situation and that is so stressful yeah I mean should we say that like when we were with them before they started shooting that things seemed okay they seem like they love each other it's just that that is and we also were hanging out with them in like a heightened atmosphere like partying in camp you know what I mean like but then but we were with we spent time with them oh yeah no definitely a lot of time I was like they it was it was funny because like I had never really watched Summer House for years. And so I got into it in the last couple of years. And when people were saying like, oh, the whole, you know, Kyle and Amanda of it all, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, that feels like really blown out of proportion to me because I was just like around them and like they're, they're, they seem great. And then you watch the show and you're like, oh, it's that thing of when, when the cameras are rolling and it's let's roll on reality, you kind of have to be real. and it just feels like either they grew apart or yeah or it's just that thing of you know you're realizing who someone is growing into is someone that they can they can no longer do anything right in your eyes like it's it's that thing of like when you're at the end of a relationship with someone and they kiss you and you're just like oh like it's the smallest thing and I feel like they're there and it bums me out to watch. It's that thing where when the cameras are rolling, you are performing to them, but it's very hard to be dishonest. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And the thing too is like, you can tell they have two different responses to that where Amanda's kind of being like, fuck it, I don't care. Yeah. And like, she doesn't really care the way she comes off. And Kyle is sort of like being a bit petulant. and his like some of his behavior I'm like okay well that's not okay yeah yeah yeah but then some of the way she talks to him I'm like well you know you we can understand they're just in a cycle where it's like you guys it's never it's it's unless there's like a two-week inpatient like couples counseling like you're not gonna get to the bottom of this yes and this is just overall like a comment not again not a new one but a comment on reality television or like documentary filmmaking just non-fictional non-narrative there's cameras around for a long period of time so on traitors just to just to rebut Sarah Sherman it's like yeah people are gonna act crazy and say you're being evil because the cameras are rolling for like 14 hours a day like you're going to start you're going to start behaving within the world of the show in a very particular way that's why housewives act out on these shows on these trips that's why drag race girls like start to like you know like spin out when like things don't go their way it's like the human behavior under observation like that is bound to like collapse it wears itself out and erodes so quickly you know what i mean and i know that we kind of understand that culturally but i don't think we fully realize like i have to be reminded of that if you're watching kyle and amanda like sort of start to fray at the edges i'm like and i'm like but they were so fun and can't i'm like oh right because it's like of course yeah because we're not watching a documentation of this that's then edited for narrative but it's just i don't know it's there's the whole rest of the season and then they have the show in the city so i'm like wondering how that develops out but i it's funny because like i am watching the show and i'm like i'm falling into the thing of like i'm like oh i could be friends with all them like it i in a way that i never really was with vanderpump rules i with vanderpump rules i was kind of just like okay these you know these people doing these things these creatures acting like this towards each other but with summer house i'm kind of like i feel like a little parasocial towards it to the point where i'm like okay i gotta watch vacation and also they're like there's like it it's even more voyeuristic like i get it now in a way that I was like, oh, I don't know why I watch Bravo if it isn't like, you know, middle-aged women plus. But now I do get it. But Vanderpump, it's like, oh, Jackson, James, and like. No, awful. I'm like, I would never be around these people. Whereas it's not the same with Kyle. And I feel like the popular thing with Kyle right now is to like totally dunk on Kyle. No, no, no. But I'm sorry, like, I do understand what Kyle is saying a lot of the time. like talking about like you know of course on face value like him being out DJing when Amanda has said for years like I don't want you out doing that like I want you to prioritize being home with me less drinking etc but then him giving the shade that like it's something he's had to do professionally because lover boy is having a tough moment and he gets paid to go do this stuff and it's easy money like that does that does create a new shade to it however by the same token if she's asking for one thing and she's not getting her one thing. And then you're going to turn around on her and say she smokes too much weed. It's like, dude, you can't go there. It's like, she's living her fucking life the way she wants to. That's different from like James Kennedy, like being violent. You know what I mean? God. Yeah. No. Like I would argue that summer house is a bunch of complicated dynamics, but none of them are bad people. Like on other shows, there are full-blown bad people existing. And yeah, it's funny when now, because now you see like they get one opportunity to cut someone from some of these shows and they're like, bye, because we don't want to deal with your bullshit. But Summer House is like, I really do feel like one of the reasons why it's a great show is because I get wherever one is coming from in a way that I think is more interesting to watch because you can actually have a discussion. You can actually play devil's advocate here because there are no devils. Yeah, that's great. I love that. Man's advocate. Complicated person advocate. Yeah. Well, I think it's time. I think it's time. I'm looking down on my list. I did make a list of topics here. I just want to shout out, just because I haven't said it on the podcast yet. At the end of the Tokyo trip, we all discussed our highs of the trip. And I just wanted to share my high with the readers, which is that I got to do the last ever Jaws ride. in Universal Studios Osaka and I'm going to post pictures from it. I haven't posted any pictures from Tokyo yet because it's honestly been so like I was like there's so many pictures here and also I'm trying to take the importance out of posting about it. I've just been enjoying the fact that I went on it but I did want to share with everyone who's been following along from the beginning that I did reconnect with in many ways the culture that made me say culture was for me which was the Jaws fucking ride which was done by a legend an amazing skipper she was you've had female skippers before we had a female skipper I had never had a female skipper in all of my years in Universal Orlando so we go to Osaka I'm like oh my god we have a female skipper I'm like she's about to pull out a gun she pulls out a fucking gun she did the whole thing she was giving acting she was giving eye small eye acting she was screaming firing just feeling that that fire on our face to know they were doing the pyrotechnic effect still from my childhood, going into the boathouse, hearing the score, watching that fish pop out of the water. I mean, it just gave me everything. It was so healing and I needed it badly. And it gave me such joy. And so that happened. And I have to say, if you're a fan of this culture, it might not be over for us because there's light, light, light, light, light rumors that it could potentially be possible like this is wish fulfillment really but that it could come back to Universal in Orlando because they're going to knock down that horrible Fast and Furious supercharged you know that god awful Fast and Furious ride in Universal in Orlando it's like where the bus like lines up with yes yes it's terrible so they're knocking it down because they're putting a Fast and Furious rollercoaster in that's replacing the Rip Ride Rocket so now there's that whole area that they could do something with. And I was watching this video the other day. I'm back on Lexapro and on my bullshit on YouTube, which is like watching the theme park construction. And they were saying that there's a possibility they could knock it down and recreate the Jaws ride. But it's never going to happen. But I'm just going to continue to put it into the atmosphere because of what I just experienced at Universal in Japan. Like, it was so good. And we all got off of it. and it was by far our favorite thing because it was practical and fun and stupid and narrative and it had a live actor, which rocked. The live actor, I think, was the thing that really was the binding. Yes. Like, it just, she made you go, oh, thank God that wasn't just a screen or thank God that wasn't like, you know? Because that's what Universal was. I know. That's what was so cool about that theme park in contrast to all the Disney parks back in the day was that you had like live participants in the attractions that interacted and interfaced with you that made you feel, again, the slogan was initially ride the movies. And so it put you in because you had a proxy the actual environments. And that was a lot of the attractions, whereas now, you know, it's different. But that was what I loved and appreciated about it so much. And I felt like a boy again. Oh my god, I love that. I enjoyed it so, I wouldn't say equally as much because it just had a different emotional valence for you, but I really, I was like, oh yeah. This is what I love about theme parks, about roller coaster jones. It was so fun. Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses, in different places, but just an embracing of the is-ness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must-listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. A nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast Doubt the case of Lucy Letby we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was no voicing of any skepticism or doubt it'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong listen to Doubt the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. I hate fame. I hate the word celebrity. I hate those words. They make me uncomfortable. But I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Bo was born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search for it. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of he said, she said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. I have done nothing except get pregnant by the f***ing bachelor Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts Okay, this is I Don't Think Sony, this is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture Matt, do you have something? I do, I'm going to be returning to the weathering heights of it all because there's an unsung part of it and I believe she's an unsung part of culture and I want to talk about this. Hung Chow? Oh my gosh. This is... Okay, no, it's not Hung Chow, but Hung Chow is great in this movie. But I feel like everyone already knows Hung Chow is great. Of course, of course. Oscar nominee, et cetera. I'm going to call out someone else who I've mentioned before. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that this name is not on the tip of tongues. Allison Oliver. Okay. So she is in this movie, Wuthering Heights. She's also in Saltburn. She's the sister Venetia in Saltburn. And in this movie, in Wuthering Heights, she plays Isabella, who's the ward of the dude that Margot Robbie marries for wealth. She is like, imagine like Anna Paquin, but like cracked. Like she's essentially doing clownery in this movie in many ways. She gets into a BDSM relationship with Jacob Elordi, which is really insane to watch. She barks like a dog and crawls on the floor. she has it right behind the eyes she's a nut and I love this actress and she was so different and incredible in Saltburn she had that bathtub scene in Saltburn that was so good she's got she eats this movie up this is I really like this movie she's my favorite thing about it and I need her cast in more things because it's really just Emerald putting her in a lot of shit more more more of this actress Alice and Oliver that's one minute I love it I love that Emerald's muses are Jacob and this queen and Alison Oliver. No, she was great in Saltbird. I'm telling you, her performance is my favorite in the movie because it's as crazy as everything else happening. And Anna Hosni, our producer, says she's really good in the show Tast. See, I didn't even know what that is. And I didn't know much about her, but I saw that she was in this. And I'm like, oh, that's the actress that I really liked from Saltbird. and now I think I have to adopt her. Hmm. How old is she? How old is she? No, you know what? I actually know she's 28. Allison Oliver. Let's see. She's 28. She's 28 and 5'7". And her boyfriend is Josh O'Connor. Oh, oh my God. How gagged are you for that? I love that, man. She was at the SNL after party. I did corner her. Oh, okay. So I'm not the only person on this train. So it does feel like there should be a moment to celebrate her. She might even get a culture award nomination. She might get a culture award. I might have even said hello to her as well. And I spaced. What a great couple. You know what, though? She looks way different in person than she does in either of these roles, which is another reason why I really like her. Because you look at a red carpet photo of her and you're like, that's not. But that is. That is, but that is. Well, you must adopt. I think I'm adopting this person seven years younger than me. Okay, Bo and Yang, do you have an I don't think so, honey? I believe so, yes. Okay, this is Bo and Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Gummies, I think we've gone too far with them as a vessel, as a delivery system. You're a grown-up. take the pill you can swallow a pill it doesn't have to come in gummies okay you can take the melatonin in a pill you can take the vitamin in a pill because this is what happens when you put a bunch of crazy shit in a gummy it starts it starts to taste like shit leave gummies alone keep them handy don't don't put a bunch of stuff in them i'm even gonna gonna say don't even put weed in them. Don't even put shrooms in. Don't even put drugs in a gummy because you're a grown up. You have to walk through the crucible of your choices. And you cannot infantilize yourself by making these things that are adult consumables and putting them in candy and in a childlike delivery system. And that's one minute. Peek behind the curtain. There's too many shapes. There's too many shapes. There's too many animals. That's good for candy. It's not okay for things that we might need for our joints. All right. Let's not play. Let's not play. And also it's like grow up and swallow the pill. Swallow the pill. And guess what? Cut it in half. Cut it in half. Go pour yourself a glass of water. I'm sure you can hydrate more as well. Yeah. And I'm sure, I'm sure that you don't need to keep so many. I don't know. It's just like. Someone's going to like send an Aaron DM be like, I have a disease where I can't swallow. Just please. It's okay. Then put it up your butt. That sounds nice. Put it up your butt. Kind of does. I did want to just peek behind the curtain. We have an episode coming out with Monet Exchange next week that we already recorded. and I do an I don't think so honey about something you mentioned. Oh, I spoiled. Can we bleep that out? Bleep it out, but don't cut it. Did you put that in a gummy? Did you take that in a gummy form? It was in a gummy. It was in a gummy. I don't think it would have been better if it was in a pill in terms of my experience, but at least it wouldn't have offended you. But I did want to come out and say I had been using blank gummies. I'm not blaming you. No, but I had a bad experience because it didn't taste good. I didn't feel good in the morning. And also another thing is when these things get hot, they will get all gushy-ushy together. You said gushy so many times. I know gushy really has been like gushing out of me. Gushy? Is it the same as gushy? Gushy. Gushy. Gushy? Who knows? Gushy is the title of this episode. G-U-S-H-Y. Gushy. Gushy. Gushy. House of Gushy Things we didn't get to today Harry Styles, Aperture, I love it Excited for his new era Grammys, Best New Artist goes to Olivia Dean And JFK and Carolyn, America Love Story Did you see that viral clip of his big dong? You were telling me about this I You've just been playing video games I've been playing video games We're gonna find out if that's a real dong We're gonna find out They want us asking the question. I think you would like Final Fantasy X. Because I think just hearing you talk about story, it's one of the best stories in all of... We talk about it with Monet. And I kind of sat there and let my sisters really rally. It's a great episode with Monet X Change. It's a great episode. And for now... By the way, I just want to end this by saying, Oscar for Charlie XCX for Wuthering Heights. I'm not kidding. Give her the Oscar for Chains of Love. Love that. Support. Okay, we end every episode with a song. Chains of Love approved Shouldn't feel like a prisoner To hear more of that, listen to Wuthering Heights by Charlie XBX. Chains of Love. Bye. Lost Culture East is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Bain. And our music is by Henrik Mursky. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, a.k.a. neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can scroll the headlines all day and still feel empty. I'm Ben Higgins, and If You Can Hear Me is where culture meets the soul. Honest conversations about identity, loss, purpose, peace, faith, and everything in between. Celebrities, thinkers, everyday people, some have answers, most are still figuring it out. And if you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to If You Can Hear Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? I've just been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.