Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Second Date Update Classics: The First Five Seconds + Hang Up On Him

37 min
Apr 11, 20268 days ago
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Summary

This episode features two classic 'Second Date Update' segments where hosts Brooke and Jeffrey help listeners understand why their promising first dates didn't lead to second meetings. The first segment follows Graham's excellent jazz bar date with Aura, who claims to be juggling multiple romantic interests. The second segment covers Jackie's farmers market date with Steve, who canceled to pursue a stronger connection elsewhere, leading to an emotional confrontation.

Insights
  • Ambiguous communication (saying 'I'm busy' without alternatives) creates confusion and often signals disinterest, even when genuine scheduling conflicts exist
  • Strong first-date chemistry and explicit mutual interest statements don't guarantee follow-through; external factors and competing romantic options frequently derail promising connections
  • Emotional reactivity and accusations during dating conflicts (cheating, selfishness) often stem from unmet expectations rather than actual wrongdoing, and can sabotage potential relationships
  • Transparency about romantic alternatives, while honest, can be perceived as rejection and cause disproportionate emotional responses in vulnerable daters
  • Dating app culture enables casual multi-dating that creates confusion about exclusivity expectations and commitment levels between parties
Trends
Rise of non-exclusive casual dating norms where individuals maintain multiple romantic interests simultaneously without clear communicationExpectation mismatch between first-date enthusiasm and follow-up commitment, particularly around response times and scheduling clarityEmotional vulnerability in dating leading to defensive behaviors and accusations when rejection occursUse of third-party intervention (radio shows, friends) to resolve dating communication breakdowns rather than direct conversationDating app culture normalizing brief, low-effort cancellations without explanation or rescheduling offersGender differences in communication expectations: women offering alternatives when busy vs. men providing minimal explanationShift toward explicit first-date affirmations ('I want to see you again') becoming standard rather than playing dating games
Companies
iHeartRadio
Platform where the Puja Bhatt podcast is distributed alongside Brooke and Jeffrey's show
Apple Podcasts
Distribution platform for both Brooke and Jeffrey's show and the Puja Bhatt podcast
YouTube
Platform where Brooke and Jeffrey publish video content of their parody songs and second date updates
People
Brooke
Co-host of the podcast conducting second date update segments and providing dating advice
Jeffrey
Co-host conducting interviews and providing commentary on dating situations
Graham
First segment caller seeking help after promising jazz bar date with Aura didn't lead to second meeting
Aura
Called on air to explain why she was too busy for second date despite strong first date chemistry
Jackie
Second segment caller threatening to quit dating after Steve canceled their planned second date
Steve
Called on air to explain why he canceled second date with Jackie to pursue stronger connection elsewhere
Ashton
Studio staff member whose allergy symptoms are used as informal pollen count indicator
Puja Bhatt
Featured in promotional segments discussing addiction, philosophy, and creative work
Quotes
"When you have a connection like that with someone, that you just go with it. You just follow it. You don't got to play the game of waiting."
BrookeFirst segment, discussing Graham's two-day wait before texting Aura
"I like him, but like I don't understand why like he needs a third party interjecting."
Aura
"I did have a stronger romantic connection with somebody else and I didn't think it would be fair to her to continue."
Steve
"I know a cheater when I smell one."
Jackie
"Sometimes you meet somebody you like more. That's just how dating works."
Jeffrey
Full Transcript
No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. A person who is not generous cannot be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers. Listen to my weekly podcast, the puja bhajjo on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. Hey, it's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning and you know a lot of people go to like the pollen count and things to see how bad allergies are. Yeah, I see it on the weather app. We just turned to Ashton over there to see if he's sneezing. Yep, he just peed irregularly. Is that nose red today? No, no, no, wait a minute. I don't know. Sensitive redheads. Yeah, honestly I feel like you sneeze year round but it gets a little worse at certain times, that's what we know. Yeah, totally. If his eyes are puffy we know. Exactly, 7 a.m. and 8 a.m. on the dot. Yeah, it's the Ashton count and if you suffer from allergies we're really sorry. Or if you suffer from Ashton. Either way, Jeff's got a great song for you. I don't know if you realize we do parody songs. Jeff writes them every week and performs them. You can see them live, not live, live to tape I guess you could say. Yeah, they were live when they were filmed. But you can see them on our YouTube which we love it when you check that out. It's at Brooke and Jeffrey and we are working on getting some more video for second dates. It's a process. It's just me dancing in the studio. Stick with us on that one. But right now we're going to do some back to back classics. Yeah, have fun. When you're on a really good first date and the chemistry's on, you're feeling the butterflies. But you look across the table and notice there's something on your date's face that shouldn't be there. Uh-oh. Do you A, silently lick your finger and rub it off yourself? Uh-oh. What if it's a birthmark or something? Yeah, it's a risk. That's a risk. Do you B, pull the fire alarm and hope the water from the sprinkler washes it away? That's a good solution, Jeff. Or, option C, do what our listener did when he found himself in that situation. Oh no. We're going to find out if option C contributed to him not getting a call back, you'll find out what happened in your second date update. Next. Look in Jeffrey in the morning, second date update. Brooke, did you know the first time that you met your husband, Michael, that something was special? Not saying that you knew like you were going to get married in the first 15 seconds of talking to him, but was there anything that happened with you instantly that lets you know, whoa, there's something real, like something actually special going on? No, I just felt so good around him and I was so excited about him. I did have like five glasses of wine to make an off-color UTI joke in the night I went out. Okay, well, UTI jokes. And he still liked me. Okay, that explains it. I mean, I remember the first time that I met Jose and I noticed his fly was down and I thought, ooh, special. But you didn't tell me X, Y, Z though. No, I enjoyed it. He asked you to put it down further. But, you know, we don't talk about this all the time, about that first 10, 15 seconds when you meet your date and something happens inside. That's so exciting. That's what makes you know it's real. Apparently that happened to one of our listeners, Graham, recently. Wow. At least that's what his email said and we should learn a little bit more about it. Graham, welcome to the show, man. Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. Oh, hi, Graham. I'm going to wait to hear about this chance meeting. Maybe it wasn't chance meeting. Whatever the meeting was, it sounds great. Yeah, so without getting overly descriptive, how did your body let you know that this was special? Well, she didn't have a fly open. I can tell you that. Dang it. So what's her name, by the way, and how did you meet her? Her name is Aura. Aura? Wow. That's cool. How'd you meet her? We met on one of those dating apps and we decided to meet at a wine bar. All right. So going into meeting her at the wine bar, were you expecting something special? Well, you know how you always have your hopes up. Yeah. But I knew when I walked in that I was going to be in so much trouble. What? Good trouble? She immediately recognized me and started from across the room, waving both of her hands over her head like a total dork. Oh. She's just one of those people like me, she's got no shame. I love it. You don't care? And you loved that, right? Oh my gosh, she was just so effortlessly cute. Little free spirit over there. Her name's Aura. It comes from there. Oh my gosh, you're right. Just a good energy. That's adorable. So. And it sounds like she was excited to see you. It was one of those initial meetings where in the first five seconds I was like, oh my God, this is just like a dream. That must be a lot. That must be a lot to process right when you're first getting to know somebody. So did the feeling wear off and just get into like a normal date after that? I mean, I wouldn't say it wore off or it was normal. It was just, I mean, there was a jazz trio playing and we were both into jazz music and she was like, oh, let's make up names for the guys. And so you have a FAMY fly guitar playing and Dennis the drummer. Honey. All that kind of stuff. We were just cracking each other up the whole time. You guys were in your own world. And they're already making almost inside jokes with each other, you know, like just a fun, fun thing. Now, anytime any song comes on the radio, you can be like, oh yeah, this is my favorite drummer. Wellington Drummerson, you know, whatever. Well, clearly the vibes are there. So keep taking us through how the rest of the date goes. It just kept getting better. I mean, our sense of like humor was just so like simpatico, I guess to use that word. Like at one point she had like some lipstick on her front teeth. I started like signaling and rubbing on my own front teeth. Good. I'm glad you told her. And she just looks at me. She goes, what do you have in a stroke? Oh, just rubbing your tongue on your teeth. Exactly. I was just laughing so much. So it was fun. Oh, yeah, it went so well. Oh my God. So why are you calling us for help then? Like, I don't get it. How could this have ended poorly? Well, that's the thing. It didn't really end poorly. When we said goodbye, she just came up to me and gave me like a really long tight hug. Oh, that's nice. Some of those are nice. Exactly. She says we have to definitely do this again. That's nice. That seems so sincere. I think you texted her twice. One time to see if she wanted to go out for coffee. The second time to see if she wanted to go do it for a VNITE. Because I think she'd be great at that. Wait, how long did you wait before you texted her? Was this like 30 minutes after the date or was this a couple days? I waited two days. I think that's too long. I think when you have a connection like that with someone, that you just go with it. You just follow it. You don't got to play the game of waiting. So that extra day, that's a blue it. You took too long. Have you not heard from her? Yeah, at a certain point you just got to grab your luggage and move in with her. Sounds like, so connected. Have you not heard from her at all? Well, that's the thing is like when I was texting her, she did reply, but both times she said that she was busy. And the worst part was like she didn't offer an alternative time or date or anything like that. It was like, no, I'm busy. I can't. I mean, sometimes these free spirits, they really suck at texting. I don't understand. I mean, Alexis, if you wanted to see a guy, would you tell him like I'm just busy or would you offer up a little bit more? Oh, I would offer something else. I'd probably over offer, honestly. I'd probably mention all the times I'm free. How many times would you apologize for being busy? A lot. That's true too. In all caps. It is odd that she leaves it at just I'm busy and no explanation and no other follow up to it. That could feel like that she's trying to brush you off. I understand. You guys had such a thing happening. It's just hard to imagine she wasn't right there with you feeling the exact same thing. Well, maybe it was the fact that you made her pay for the dinner that night. You made her pay? I'm just assuming. Did you weigh out the billboard piece? No, no, no, no. I'm a proper gentleman. I pay for everything. Good. I just need you guys to find out for me how the hell did I blow this? There's an answer. No, we're going to find for you how to keep it going because I've got faith in this one. Because we don't even know that you blew it. It could be something totally unrelated. I am so excited to get her on the phone. All right. Let's find out. We're going to come back, call Aura and try and get you your second date update coming up right after this. Okay? Thank you. All right, man. Hold on. Broken Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. Whenever I'm stuck on hold with customer service for four straight hours and the automated message keeps replaying over and over saying, we're busy right now, but don't go anywhere. Your call is very important to us. We're just busy. Yeah. I believe them. Oh, you do? They really, really care. Yeah, I'm sure. We're not understaffed. Yeah, I'm sure they're not a break somewhere. But the thing is, if you're on the other end of a potential relationship with somebody you really like and you get too sorry, I'm just busy right now in a rose, it's hard not to be a little bit skeptical and feel like you're being blown off. Yeah, especially when they don't say, hey, press number nine for a different day to date me. Exactly. That's where our listener, Graham, is after a really good date at a jazz bar with a girl named Aura, he has turned to us because those two busy just aren't equaling a second meetup. And they're not equaling the vibe that they had going when they were hanging out. It just sounds so good. I can't believe we haven't said it sooner, but negative Aura points for her. Yeah. Graham, I mean, before we call her here, how you feeling? I'm feeling a little nervous, to be honest. How's your aura? I mean, I get it. I'm feeling nervous for you. I mean, you just sound so excited. And I want this to happen for you. I think we all do. Everything sounded so good. I don't want to put this out there, but it has to be shocking. Like whatever the excuse is, you're not going to see like, oh, wow, I didn't think of that. There's nothing that has gone wrong. Right. We can change that right now. Let's see if something went wrong. I'm going to dial her number right now. Hopefully she picks up the phone. Here we go. Hello. Hey, is this Aura? Yes. This is a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Hi, Aura. The whole show's here. Thanks for being on with us. Okay. Hi. I didn't, I don't think I signed up for anything. I don't know. You didn't, but one of our listeners kind of signed you up for something called a second date update. Okay. So if you're not familiar with that, it's a segment that we do on our show where we try to help people who've gone out with somebody one time, but they're not getting that second meetup and they're not sure why we can call and try to figure out if there's a reason for it. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, I guess. We know you're really busy, so we won't keep you on. That's what we've heard. We're really good at these, by the way. We'll be efficient. Okay. We'll get through this. Because we're calling about a guy that you went out with recently named Graham. I'm sorry. I'm like super confused. Like what is this? Great question. Well, yeah. The thing is we spoke to Graham about your date and we're just trying to figure out if there's a reason that the two of you haven't gone out again because you keep saying to him that you're busy. But not offering any solutions on when to meet up. Yeah. I mean, I like, I already texted him. Like I said, I was busy during the times he wanted to hang out. Okay. I think in his mind, when you say I'm busy, that's just like, it can be a word that people use to brush somebody off if you're not actually wanting to see them, but you don't want to come off as being rude. Like I meant what I said, I'm just really busy. Okay. Okay. But there's no way, I mean, like, I'm sorry. You seem annoying. We're all really busy, but like when you meet somebody that you feel like you have this crazy connection with, you'll make time for them. Yep. But I'm not like canceling my plans. Like I... No, we're not, we're not asking you to do that, but he just asked us to call because it was unclear to him if you actually wanted to meet up. What is, what's unclear? I'm saying okay, but I am busy. It's unclear that if you like, I'm honestly still unclear whether you actually like him or not. I like him, but like I don't understand why like he needs a third party interjecting. That's fair. I said that I'm free. I'm just busy during the times he mentioned. Gotcha. I hear ya and I don't want to be the third party interjecting whatsoever. In fact, I'm scared. I'm just like weird. Well, no, listen, Graham is actually the one I want you to talk to and it's perfect because he's right here on the other line listening, waiting to jump in. Hey, Aura. What, I'm so confused. Like what is happening? What's like, what's the deal with these like jobbers you hired to like, well be about us. Jobbers? Jobbers? I called you jobbers. I don't know what you guys like. We are employed. It's not about us. It's like a yapper. Okay. Graham, why don't you talk to her? Yeah, I didn't, I didn't hire them. It's just a radio show and they, you know, help people get in touch if they're having trouble getting together. So. Yeah, but like I told you I was busy a couple of times. Like don't you think it's a little extreme to like go on a radio station and honestly, whoever that guy was I've been talking to, like did not seem prepared at all. He didn't know what I was talking about and he like tried to nail down a date for you. Are you talking about Jeff? That's fine. Sometimes people need a common enemy could have come together. Well, Jeff was pretty guilty. Honestly, I'm with her. I wasn't doing a very good job. That was pretty crap. I just talked to him about it. I give myself a D. I don't want you to feel bad. I mean, Aura, can't you think of this as like a kind of a romantic gesture? Like he really wants to see you and he went to all this effort. No, it's super weird. Oh, okay. Well, that's okay. I think you guys had so much chemistry. I feel like you're so angry right now. Does this feel like the same person you went out with, Graham? Well, maybe not a little bit, but you guys have been kind of grilling her pretty hard. Oh, I mean, that's a regular question. We can take the fall. Yeah. No, no, no, that's okay. I mean, your intentions are great. That's fine. Well, so we're yours, bro. I did have some bad intentions when I dialed all the honors. I brought some negative energy into this. Negative aura. That's my fault. Negative aura. That's right. Yeah, but this is just a world with this world with this world with this world with this How about this weekend? Are you free like on Friday? I'm busy Friday Well, we'll have how about Saturday I've got something that day, but like you should you probably need to know this But I'm in like two other situations ship. Oh Okay, now we know why she's so busy Oh I'm sorry, okay with you Graham or let me ask you you said you're already in two situations, so Really, what does that mean? Wow, we softened up. Do you even have time for me then or what? I'm free Sunday afternoon. I can squeeze you in Really sure if I want to be squeezed in between two other dudes I'm being a better can be choosers here like you're the one who's late for the party, but it's still a party She's clearly not rejecting you, but you're gonna she's offering you not much. Yeah I'm single like I don't have to like kind of you You're kind of single I think we're all jealous of you are if anything I feel like you deserve more than this Look guys, I think I should just go with my gut and say you only live once and let's do it You're open to a possible third situation ship with aura well I mean if the third situation ship goes so well, maybe they'll just turn into a single situation ship Really optimistic good Point of like dating like you're supposed to like try new things and see what sticks Yeah, well great now we're running out of time here So I'm just curious though aura if he does go through with this does that put him like in the third seat like the last place Guy or does he need to do a trial run and does he have to meet the other guys? I Don't know how If it works out it works out and if it doesn't we had fun, okay? I just want to be clear with that we're setting our guy up for success here So we would like to offer to send you guys out on a date and we would pay for it. I Yeah, I mean I'm down. Thank you Not the grand romantic Broken Jeffrey in the morning No gloss no filter just stories Spoken without fear addiction is a disease and I should be looked upon as any other disease How did you cope with a reckless father like me join me? Pooja Bhatt as I sit down every week with directors actors musicians technicians and You don't need to work with the biggest people in the biggest sound to have great music I have gone through this top CD hucker reach the pinnacle stung by the sneaker. I've fallen down again Yeah, I am not writing actively anymore and when I see my old work it kind of saddens me I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave mom's gone But don't shut the fear the show must go on listen to my weekly podcast the pooja bha choo on the I heart radio app Apple podcast Wherever you get your podcasts Come for the honesty stay for the fire Oh, was that like the ickiest yes that we've ever gotten to a second date ever not where I wanted things to end I'll tell you that yeah, but at least we got an answer to why she was busy And I guess it's clear to Graham what he's walking into right like there's no mystery here anymore I don't know if it is really clear because we never really asked whether the like Situation ships know about each other or how serious they really were with anything She seems pretty blunt Jeff. I mean she seems like she enjoys it for sure It's the one thing that made her smile during that entire call and get like a weird sexy voice thing How can you not when you're thinking about your harem of guys waiting for you? I just have a feeling our boy Graham is gonna be happy settling for Sunday afternoon hangouts. Well, he's Sunday boy now It might end in a four-way marriage if it goes well enough Good for you Graham keep us updated But if you want help with your dating life, you can always email the show We'll call that person who isn't calling you back and go check out all of our second dates wherever you get your podcasts at broken Jeffrey What's the perfect setting to have a romantic first kiss Maybe during a candle at dinner Or on a moonlit walk down the beach Or under the flickering fluorescent light and stall for of st. John's truck stop I'm just saying everyone has a different idea of what that perfect moment looks like But for one of our listeners her first kiss happened out in broad daylight Probably with children watching oh wait wait and even though they arranged a second meetup that meetup never happened It's like stall number four So we're gonna do everything in our power to get to the bottom of it in your second date update right after this broken Jeffrey in the morning Second date update We've all heard of dating ultimatums where they put it all on the line and say either you put a ring on it or I'm gone Okay, you have to pick is it me or your mom? You're gonna get dumped every time on both of those occasions I feel like well if they really love you they'll choose you But it is pretty rare to give yourself a dating ultimatum Like that's it if I don't find somebody by August. I'm just marrying my weighted blanket and calling it a life There could be worse options that weighted blanket really it really Hug you the right way, but I bring it up because one of our listeners says she's on the precipice of giving up on dating forever Unless we can make this call work. Oh, that is so much on us. Why would you do that to us Jackie? Is that right? Yeah, that's completely right Okay, Jackie don't come in all cheerful like you weren't just doomsday in that in that moment. This isn't I'm not cheerful I'm just letting you know that if this doesn't work out. I'm done. I am done Desperate I'm with you guys We're all starting off on the same page so Starting at rock bottom can only go up from here Let's begin by learning the name of the guy that you met recently the guy's name is Steve We went on a date like last Thursday And is there something that stood out about Steve or was it just not horrible and that's why you're okay with it? Well, yeah, pretty much In the last couple months, I've been trying to say yes to anyone that asked me out. Oh, wow Okay cast a wide net sort of thing. Yeah, I'm putting myself out there Like everybody tells you to right and most of them have been okay What Steve it was actually a really good date. Oh I mean, I could even see the hope in your voice when you say that yeah, not super hopeful just like not the worst thing ever Where was that date? It was really fun. We went to a farmer's market and we were just walking around like sampling the foods and talking Laughing and having fun for it was an hour and a half Nobody's like too much. I mean did you meet there? Yes, we met at the farmers market and then at the end he walked me back to my car and you know normally I don't kiss someone on the first date, especially a day date, but the connection was really strong You had a cute first kiss after a farmers market date Yes, and then he looked at me in the eyes and said I had a really great time and I want to see you again soon I contact when that happens what you want to look away in shame don't look at me Yeah, that's usually I contact eye contact is so intimate and nice exactly you believe them, right? I did and I told him that I had an amazing time and I would love to see him again and There it is again what it's too much She said I want to see you again. That's not too much. I can see how maybe you would think that for a guy saying I really like you. It's the most terrifying thing in the world Yeah, but you're not supposed to say it back to him Brooke I've done enough of these to know how to play the game and being honest and open with how you really Is the absolute worst thing you can see I disagree that was not the problem because that same day he texts me Yeah, and he said Sunday does that work? I'll pick you up for dinner We can grab a drink after okay. I stand corrected possibly. Thank you. So what happened Sunday? So now I texted back. Yes, 100% I'm in and gave him a little high-five emoji On Saturday he texts me and says hey, I'm gonna have to cancel on Sunday. Sorry Okay, did he try to reschedule now? He didn't say anything else doesn't explain nothing And so I just text it back no problem. Let's figure out another time. Did he respond to your no no respond Come on Steve how many days is that been it's been a week now Okay, but here's the thing so this is the only guy that I've connected with like and now he's ghosting me I mean, it's so unbelievably frustrated Yeah, I mean it sounds like you're doing this not just for Steve, but to make up for every other bad That has happened in life. Like you need this to go right and I really just wanted to why I mean like what happened Well, you said it's been a week Maybe he's learned something about you in between that period of time Like you don't have to answer this but have you served time in prison? I mean if it's for the right cry Okay, no, is there anything that's available online to the public that somebody could come across and might be like oh god This is a red flag Seriously, there's nothing that I can think of. Okay. Okay. Well, this is definitely a mystery Maybe he just had a bad reaction to the Baba Ganoush you guys had in the farmers market Wasn't able to recover. I don't know what that is that your food of choice Where's market? I don't know. I was just at a hummus stand last weekend. So Yes, so let's come back We're gonna come back and call Steve for you here and hopefully get an explanation for why he isn't arranging a second date Or let you give up on dating forever. Oh That's what she wants That's where I'm at I'm hopeful. Yes. Let's push you back from the cliff and when we get your second date update right after this hold on Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning second date update Today the entire future of a woman's dating life Lies inside of our tender throats Our throats because if we don't say the right thing and get Steve to agree to another date Jackie has already said she is ready to give up on finding love forever No pressure. You definitely don't need to tell Steve this. No, but I'm sure that won't happen anyway because they went to a farmers market hot You know Walked around had a great eye contact the whole time soups hot see hot and organic Yeah, they laughed even planned out another date after telling each other they both wanted to see each other again You forgot the great first kiss. Yeah, that was such a big deal. That was like the moment, right? Well, I thought when I said farmers market kissing was implied Because who doesn't but yeah It was all going according to plan until the day before their second date when steve Texted cancelling with no explanation and then went dark So brook. Yeah, your thoughts on the situation at hand. Oh god I just feel like it's not going to be good if he's in a different relationship like if he's cheating or Well, hold on brook. How can he cheat if they've only gone on one date? No, no, no not cheating on her cheating on whoever he's dating Cheating on someone else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're saying jackie could be the other woman. Well, I mean, it's just like a day date Jackie, are you cool with being the other woman? Absolutely not You didn't say that. You didn't say that Okay, it is good to check. Yeah. All right. Hopefully that's not what the situation is. No, I don't want it to be that I don't I hope he's just busy at other farmers markets. Oh Scoping out the best spots. Yeah. Yeah the best over jeans or whatever brook likes to you. Is he a farmer? Does he work there? He is not a farmer. Okay. All right. We've ruled out a couple possibilities. Let's just call him and see if he picks up I'm dialing his number right now. Here we go Hello Hey, is this Steve? Yeah, who's this? Hey, man. What's up, Steve? Good morning. You're uh, you're on a radio show called brook and jeffereen the morning Oh great We're gonna take that without any sarcasm attached to it. But I like your style already I can tell What's going on? Well, what's going on is this is a segment that we do call the second date update. I don't know if you ever heard of that before Nope But it's actually a kind of a fun thing that we do where we help out listeners Who are confused after they're not getting a call back for a second date? We try and help them figure out the reason why And okay There's a woman that you went out with recently actually you planned a second date with her But canceled the last minute her name's jackie Uh, I I don't really want to talk about this Hold on bro. Is this sensitive to you? I I feel bad. Can I ask are you single? brooks dying to ask brooks has it with so much hope Here's the deal. Oh, oh Here's the deal What what's the deal? I did have a strong connection with her but if she knew what was going on it would Probably hurt her feelings. So it's better less than said Well, I'm trying to protect someone's feelings hurt some more. I think you might want to be direct. That's true. I think her feelings already hurt Yeah Yeah, because she was really looking forward to that second hangout and when you canceled with no explanation Now she's just kind of confused. She was all excited doesn't know where she stands We're just trying to give her a little bit of information it's just I had a stronger romantic connection with somebody else and I didn't think it would be fair to her It continued Oh my god Disgusting Oh Okay, uh, everybody. Okay, everybody's on the call right now. Let's try and be respectful. What and here steve out I can't listen to this anymore Steve is a cheater Just tell him that Jackie's on the phone. Hold on because steve He knows it's me. He knows it's me and I know a cheater when I smell one. Well, you smell him Wait, wait, wait. I think that's my fault Jackie. Hold on. What? I feel like I put that idea in your head. He didn't say he cheated. He just said that he he went out with someone else And had a stronger connection. He didn't quite Yeah, but whatever he was gonna cheat on me eventually What? That's not fair. Hold on. You're making a lot of assumptions here Jackie And I know you're definitely hurt by what you heard, but let's give steve a chance to explain himself I spoke my piece. I don't have much else to say. Okay. Okay. So you're just You know what steve? I have what to say. Oh god. Oh god So when we were walking around the farmers market and I didn't want to drink some water found because it's like public and gross You never offered to buy me a drink What? What? Where did that come from? You need to get- He's selfish. He's selfish and he's probably selfish in bed. Whoa. Whoa Jackie You are all over the place right now I understand your feelings are hurt because this didn't turn out how you wanted it to but This is not the reaction that you are gonna want to have and honestly, I've never made that correlation before with guys Not being good in bed that don't buy water for their women. Well, you know, you're also a guy. Oh, yeah Yeah, well, that's fair and jeff loves water. I tell you I keep it all to myself. Jeremy. Can you confirm that you're a selfish guy? Oh, sorry, steve. Can you confirm that you're a selfish guy? I don't know what's happening I just I just want to know what's your take on this whole situation went on a good date I just I had a stronger connection with someone else. I'm sorry She was probably a lovely person I mean you guys what are you doing here like spinning this to make him the victim He is not the victim here. It's just a victim of circumstance at this point. It's just how dating works. Yeah Sometimes you meet somebody you like more. I don't think he's in a like a committed relationship with this other person It sounds like just a casual day, right steve. I really don't think I should say anymore You know what? I know what's really sad What I really wanted to see your basement. I never got to see your basement. Oh Why are you just saying random? Did he offer a tour of the basement? You shouldn't say yes to that. I was kind of thinking the same thing I wonder what's in his basement. No, come on steve. Tell them. Yeah, what's about the basement? I have a movie room in my basement and we talked about that Okay She had a lot of hopes based around that movie room I didn't get to see it Steve don't say it. I was a little popcorn maker in there too I was all on steve's side until he just poured salt in the wood Salt all over that popcorn maker I know, you know what? I'm sorry. It's a dope basement and yes, I have multiple flavored salts. Oh Wow You got that ranch. You need to go. Oh you need to show now. All right hang up I think maybe you just need to work on yourself right now jackie. Yeah, let's do a little self-reflecting Yeah I'm deleting your text. I'm blocking your number. You're never gonna hear from me again And I want you to know you lost out on something really good Really good really stable type of relationship. So steve. I'm sorry, dude. It's fine. I feel like I dodged a bullet It's like I'm watching the matrix Okay, all right I don't want to hear from him. Hang on. Okay steve you don't beg you're gone. Oh We dropped steve. Oh, wow Okay jackie. Oh my god He is a cheater girl. You're so mad Oh, wow. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. You guys honestly, it's fine. It's fine. I know men After that He is definitely gonna reach out to me Wait what? You like a little crazy. I mean that's actually kind of true. I think a little is a different definition Are you saying you put all of that on just to like get him to call you? I mean, I just stood up a little bit, but I'm legitimately pissed. Oh That was a little bit I'm afraid to see full blown All right. Well jackie after you take your hiatus from the dating world call us and we can reach out to that next guy for you No, I'm gonna hear from steve Yeah, you heard about that basement right it is pretty dark. I don't blame you I'm not gonna block him and then he's gonna call me and you guys will end up doing an update update on me About your healthy relationship This is gonna go Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning No gloss No filter Just stories Spoken without fear addiction is a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me puja bhatt as I sit down every week with directors actors musicians technicians and Beyond you don't need to work with the biggest people in the biggest sound to have great music I have gone through the sub-city hutchaker reach the pinnacle stung by the sneaker. I've fallen down again Yeah, I am not writing actively anymore. And when I see my old work it kind of saddens me I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave mom's gone. But don't shut the theater the show must go on Listen to my weekly podcast the puja bhatt show on the i heart radio app apple podcast Or wherever you get your podcasts Come for the honesty stay for the fire Was it me or did it feel like she definitely had a plane of attack there What happened? Yeah, man. She went zero to 100 though. Yeah, she said she like what? Saust it up juiced it up I don't know what she did It was all on purpose. It was an emotional roller coaster and i'm exhausted the second He mentioned a stronger connection with another woman. She completely went off the handle. Yeah But oh man, wouldn't it be something though if after all of this she was right that he did call her back Yeah, like steve thinks about and he's like, you know what she's kind of unhinged, but I kind of like it Also, I would have cheated. Yeah She's right on every level only way steve's calling her back is if it doesn't work out with the other girl And then I could see it maybe happening. And then it's like a hookup thing probably Sure, it's probably a less than 1% chance that it all goes the way that she's thinking but wouldn't that be a wild update update? It would be and I really appreciate her optimism and all of your optimism in your dating lives If you want our help, we are ready to step in and call that person who isn't calling you back By the way, go check out all of our second date updates. They're up online wherever you get your podcasts at brook and jeffrey No gloss no filter Just stories spoken without fear Person who is not generous cannot be an artist the world will be at peace Only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers Listen to my weekly podcast the puja bhajjo on the i heart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts Come for the honesty stay for the fire