Episode 178 | "The One About EOOWs"

The following views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent the views of DOD or its components. Pay attention because you are now listening to Permission to Speak Freely. What's good, brother? How's it going, man? How's your week going, man? How's it flowing this week? It seems like you're having a long week, man. Let's talk about it. Yeah, I'm tired to the listeners, man. Honestly, the viewers too. I got to get better with that. But I'm just tired, man. To be honest with y'all, it's a podcast-related event for me every single day. Whether it's a clip, an edit, doing a pod, it's just something every day, y'all. on top of the job that I have and a two-year-old and a wife and all the things that come along with that. Eventually, I'm going to get into the week because of the weather and all that in a minute, but it's just, I'm tired, y'all. I'm tired. We might want to do three episodes a month, man. We trying to do an episode a week just for the perspective, y'all. We doing an episode a week, trying to put out a clip a day sometimes two clips a day. Those clips take time, editing the episode, take time, editing, creating the cover, trying to be creative. Some captions, most captions is me. You could tell when I go straight to ChatGPT. I don't like going straight to ChatGPT, but every now and then I do that. Just trying to do all those things, man, and still have 250 sailors and mad missions. My sailors on missions today, tomorrow for point of reference, it's the weekend, it's Saturday. And then come home two-year-old and a wife. And I say two-year-old and a wife because honestly, life is different with just a two-year-old and or life is different with just a wife and it's a dog. So you put all those things together. It's a lot of, like today, me and my wife try to sleep in a little, but I already woke up to go to the gym early because I knew I had the pride. I didn't want her to feel like she got to wake up every day to baby duties, which today she did. But I go to work before her, so she got baby duties every day, Monday through Friday. We were snowed in. She was the first person up. It's just a lot, man. Honestly, y'all, like I said, I'm tired, y'all. I'm trying to get out of this podcast, to be honest, man. did you? yeah we had a chat Aaron dropped out of his second podcast in a row right put in a chat any topics that you really want to talk about they was like yeah how long have we been I'm like alright well that's crazy bro I did not know that man same thing happened with me and my ex-o this week bro it was like a snow day and we came to work and something happened and i told i'm like man that's why i really think we should be here you know what i mean i was like but i i was like i really the energy i was getting from you and the skipper was like we should be here and i was like i didn't really want to push back on y'all too much after two already snow days because i wanted to look like i just didn't want to be here but it's not cool to be here it's like not safe she's like yo CFC next time just tell me. She was like, be honest with you. I don't want to be here even. It's just not safe. It's dangerous. We had a seller slip. We had another seller fall, broke her nose, had a concussion. It's just not safe. You know what I mean? Don't be fighting to get back to work, yo. We're going to talk about it in a second, Damon, but it's just not safe, bro. Yeah. It's bad out there, man. Damn, bro. I see it all. I see it. I know we're going to get into it in a few minutes, so I don't get too much ahead of myself. But yeah, man, that's crazy, bro. But back to what you was talking about, about your week and being tired, bro. I tell you this, man, and I know this is going to trend to my week a little bit, but I'm starting to take time, bro, and think, like, for example, man, going to medical and going to get myself checked, I'm just taking some me time, and I have to, and I guess one of my, I say, New Year's resolutions was that, man, like, I have to do better when it comes to give and take, man, with me and the family and everybody, man, I have to balance that a little bit more and i know as as coming up in the navy you want to we want to be this go-getter we want to do the things we got to do to be successful but then we lose so much doing that though you know i mean like we are like like we like it's a lot bro so especially when you start getting older in the game anyway man we most definitely got to do a little bit better with the give and take um because it because because think about this if you're thinking like that man think about your other ass you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah your wife man or your spouse or whoever you know they're not like a role they're not a role player in in this life you know they got their own life that they the star of you know what i mean they're not no role player bro and And so when you're thinking about life and just having them subject to, for instance, my wife, I know she, there's no way she wants to wake up and do baby duties every single day because I don't. You know what I mean? So I get it, she a mom, but there's no way. I know she would want that relief. You know what I mean? Every now and then. So on a day like today, for instance, that would be the day that I paid her back, but I woke up, went to the gym, came home, hung out with her a little bit, was tired. Baby up, the dog up. I was able to feed the dog, but then I had to come down here and buy it. Tomorrow, some friends invited me out for brunch. I also said I was going to be more intentional about hanging with friends every now and then. So, hey babe, I got to go get brunch. So hopefully then I got time and then I still want to go to the gym. Because with the snow week, with the weather, I ain't been able to go to the gym all week. You know, the one day I did go to the gym, shit was frozen. The gym was frozen. Hey, so I know you want to hear all about the weather, bro. Before that, I want to let the audience know that we are a week ahead in our recordings. So we are a week behind in our releases. And we got to figure out a way to get back current, right? So for instance, for perspective, right, it's January 31st right now. By the time this episode come out, the Grammys would have happened already. The Super Bowl would have happened already. J. Cole album would already be out. Whereas the way we used to record, you would catch us talking about all of those things that same week that it happened. Now, if any of that happens, we're going to be like two weeks behind. So we got to find a way to get back synced up. However, comma, when we sync back up, it's still a lot of work. So either way, it's a lot. It's still an episode to edit, still artwork to make, still an episode to put on platforms to be released, still timing the release, right? Because the episodes come out at midnight. It's like nothing is willy nilly. You know what I mean? Like, yo, I'm up this morning. Let me throw the episode out. know it's already preset pre-time to release along with all the posts everything releases at 12 preset so like no matter what but i do and only difference between being a week ahead and recording and a week behind and releasing is it takes a little stress off of the weekend feeling like i gotta hurry up and get this episode edited because it's coming out in two days type shit because we record on Saturdays and we release on Mondays. So in perspective, for the listeners, when we were up to date and current and our news along with the week, it was a day between recording and listening. And it's Sunday at midnight, right? So we will record at a little inside, right? We will record on Saturdays at 11. It was a while ago we was recording on Thursdays at like 1930. We've been recently recording on Saturdays because of the job I have. So now it's recorded on Saturday. So then that would be now on the next part of my Saturday is spent editing and getting shit ready. And oh, if I want clips, it's doing that. And that's coming off a week of work and shit like that. And then maybe it's making clips throughout the week. So it has been taxing. Last year, we slacked off a little bit with clips. and that was because of that and this like one of my New Year's resolutions was to not slack off with clips so here we are I know you want to talk about the weather though bro first let me ask you about the weather in Cali bro yeah man check this out the weather is pretty freaking good man but I know a lot of people don't know this it's not in Lemoore they have this thing called this fog thing going on man it's like fog right and bro you cannot barely see in front of you bro I'm not making it I thought when I got here I was talking to Jay Montanaro about it he was talking yeah man it'd be this fog time period like a month or two with this fog in UK I said bro I done lived in fog before bro I know what fog look like right bro you cannot see car people having accidents and all type of shit, bro, in this fog. And it's that thick, bro. It's like, you go on a local channel, news channel, bro, and it's like .25 visibility, zero visibility. That's the type of shit that it's talking about, man. So in Lamar, that's one thing, man, right now. I mean, the weather is good, man. It's like, high is like 60-something right now, right? So it's not bad. The sun been coming. It's been some days where it's been fog, bro, like all day. all day fog so um but other than that man you know i can't complain i ain't going through the shit you guys going through so they not flying during the fog right no they don't they don't they not flying so what's been like a lot of the times though the fog clear up around 1 13 14 you know o'clock and then they may fly in the afternoon a little bit but morning time most definitely a no-go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, it started snowing on Sunday. And I think, bro, it's a lot with this snow shit, to be honest with you, bro. But it started snowing on Sunday, pretty much right after we did the last week podcast. And it snowed. When I looked out, I was like, oh, it wasn't snowing for a second. I'm like, man, this is chump. This is good. And Angelina was like, nah, it's gonna start again man so it started again i'm not gonna say it's like a lot of snow or it was a lot of snow but it was freezing temperatures you know so the snow turned to ice really fast so i didn't snow the first day because i wasn't going out there because it seemed like it was snowing for the majority of the day so oh you said you didn't snow you say you didn't snow you you didn't shovel yeah yeah i ain't shovel thank you okay yeah yeah i appreciate it um sometimes we say the wrong and i'll listen back on pies and i'll be like yo come on man somebody please so i'm glad you did that but uh so i put salt on the ground though i put some salt on the ground um so and i'm like i'm good with the salt on the ground i'll be straight you know i wasn't And it stacked up, boom. So Monday was a day off. Tuesday was a day off. And everybody was following OPM and all that, right? And like I said, I said it on Facebook. I think I posted a post on Facebook and I was like, yo, I love my job. I love what I do. The ability to be with these sellers and kind of navigate the early stages of their Navy life. I love that. And I was like, on the other other hand, I love my family. Oh, I also said I spend the majority of my life at work, right? We do. And I was like, I spend a little bit of life at home with my family and the majority of the time I spend with my family, the majority of the time, if you get a calculator, it's sleeping, right? Sleeping or something that's task related. My wife is cooking or we don't have a lot of time at night for just family shit. I probably talk to chiefs at my job more than I talk to my wife at home. You know what I mean? And that might sound crazy, but if you do the calculation, you probably do too. You know what I mean? That's facts. So we get the snow day. I was good with that, but now also it's like, oh man, I got more time to edit the pod you know what I mean and for the people like I don't want to sound sad and doom and gloom um but uh so that so Monday happened and then Tuesday was a day off but I could tell Tuesday night that's when like the phone calls and the tech like it's like Navy people feel guilty when they get time off you know what I mean like just guilty you know so it's like yo we got to get back and we got to shovel. And I had shoveled on one of them days I shoveled and I shoveled maybe Tuesday in the morning or something like that. I shoveled my car out and I left my wife's car in and I was like, yeah, I shoveled it later. But when I went out to shovel, bro, it was already iced over, bro. It was already iced. so I'm like oh shit it's already ice so when I'm on the phone now it's like my ex-o hit me up she like look this what gotta happen boom boom I'm like oh shit it's time to get it and then like when I saw like the messages and shit wasn't stopping I was like oh like we trying to go to work it looks like it's an effort to go to work but it was like hey duty section is going shuffle so I called my co I'm like yeah look I just want to talk safety you know like how are we going to really do this. And I'm like, I didn't call him to say, hey, I don't want to do it. I called him to say, hey, I want to talk safety so I could measure his tone, right? I could tell by his tone he want to do this, right? I'm like, all right, cool. So on that Wednesday, I drive out. I was like, all right, we on a two-hour delay. Now, mind you, things are opening back up. We on two hours. On Tuesday, bro, the dude from the base hit me up apologizing because they didn't have me on the call, the weather call. I'm a little upset and I'm on that. Like, man, let me just, like, somebody go tell me this, man. I ain't trying to be on this call with y'all, man. I get on the call for a little bit. It's like a six. Then it's like, you know, it's a 1600 call, bro. Like, I'm laying down trying to take a nap. I'm tired. I ain't been getting that much sleep. I was waking up at like 2.30 to try to get the episode edited before my wife woke up or whatever, y'all. So I get on this 1600 call, bro and it's like it sounds like and i just did it i just ran i just did an installation my last tour right and i remember my my co like pushing and pushing and get the snow removed right like and that's what it sound like here it sounds like shit ain't like the people that's removing the snow they like yeah man we you know we pushing away we we knocking it out but it ain't really done you know and it sound like they asking for a little bit more time but nobody want to say that to know you know command you want to like you don't want to just be like yo just let us get another day like you just yeah you don't especially when the co seem like they pushing it but then this co this air force man so uh colonel he didn't sound like my skipper sounded it sound like colonel would have been cool with like just let me know what button i need to push you know what i mean yeah so um then at night so the you know the the stuff start the communication start so it's like all right, I got to go to work. It's on a delay. So boom, I don't got to be to work till 10. Again, another day, wake up early, edit the pod from last week. So I ain't got to edit it. And then I go to work. And it's like, yo, we was only going to work the shovel and do an NJP. And we wound up being at work for a little bit of time. But we went and shoveled. Bro, I came with a gardening shovel like a pointy edge joint. Look, I told him already my shovel was thick. Ain't nobody had a good shovel, bro. Except my shovel, bro. So I come out there like, bro, I come out there like Superman, bro. Thor, bro. I said, somebody said, hey, CMC, can I use your shovel? I'm like, no, man. This is Thor's hammer, bro. This is my shovel, bro. I'm shoveling, bro. So I'm shoveling for like 25 minutes. At some point, my car, right? At some point, pulling out my house, my car shut off, right? This is how bad this shit is, right? So I call my CEO. I'm like, hey, Skipper, look, I just want to tell you that my car shut off. I'm going to let you know if I have any issues. He's like, yeah, that's cool. I just pulled up. So I'm like, all right, here I come. You got to be on my way, right? So I get there. and I'm shoveling for like 30, 35 minutes, bro, chipping away at it. I go see Skipper because I'm like, let me go see him say hi. He's like, oh, you made it. I think I've been here, man. You know what I mean? You got to let him know. Like, hey, make it just now. Like, I've been out there. Yeah. You know, you need your like, you need your credibility. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm not late, bro. Like, I've been out there. So, but I, you know, I'm shoveling, bro. I started, I was shoveling like a fucking madman, bro. I'm trying to get this shit done. We get out there, I'm like, what's the mission? What's the purpose? Boom. Young sellers out there, some of them ain't dressed the way you want them to be dressed. Shit, gotta, yo, put this on, put that on, boom. Oh, get cold. Like, yo, come on. You know what I mean? Say no tough guy shit, bro. I got the pointy shovel. I'm kicking ass out there. and then we my ops came up he like hey we need to make this thing two lanes and shit like a 20 foot walk I'm like damn so now I'm really killing it so I get all that shit we out there we're shoveling probably for like two hours or something like that shovel we do an NJP we do some other stuff I go home bro and now mind you I got this shovel bug I guess plus I'm taking ashwagandha right So I'm taking ashwagandha. One of my sellers at the command, she was talking about, yo, this ashwagandha. I don't really be emotional no more. And I remember when I took ashwagandha before. What is this? What is this? It's like a pill. It's a vitamin. Okay, okay. It helps with your focus and all that. So I'm like, fuck, I'm going to start taking some ashwagandha again. So, I get home, bro. Angeline car snowed in. And now that I'm home, it's like 4 o'clock, 1600. I'm like, yo, I'm going to shovel your car out, yo. She like, nah, it's cool. Also, yo, you doing too much. She's like, yo, just relax. I shovel her car out. That whole shit, bro. I shovel her car out. I'm like, yo, look on your man. I'm like, yo, look on the ring, yo. Look on the ring camera. See what it is. She never looked. So later she had to go outside and then she came back and she was like, damn, you did all that? I'm like, yeah, you know, I did all that. Let's go. Right. I shot, yo, bro. So that shit was cool. There's a couple other things about it. So then we go back to work. So we go to work on, I think that wasn't that. Oh, so the next day, you know, that's when me and my ex-o had the conversation. And we kind of got a good clarity about what we would do the next time something like this happens. And the conversations we will have the next time something like this happens. And we on the same page. But I go home that day. Right. So one of my sellers got hurt that day. Right. I go home that day. One of my sellers call me explaining that they ain't feel like the seller got the right amount of support, which happened to be wrong. And, you know, we wound up working that out later. But at the same time, I'm on the phone with him, bro. I get stuck outside of my house in the snow. My car gets stuck, bro. And it's cold as shit, bro. It's like 14 degrees out. You know what I mean? And I knew it was cold. Because one of them days I went to the gym, and hey, for the list, I'm sorry if it's a long-winded story. One of them days I went to the gym, it was so fucking cold out, bro. And they ain't shoveled to get up to the gym. My legs was freezing just to get, because it was like eight degrees. So my legs was freezing just just to get out to the gym. It's 11 degrees right now, like right now, and it feels like five, right? So my legs was freezing. I go to the gym, bro. What I forgot? My headphones. Normally, I just run out to the car. The gym empty. Normally, I just run out to the car, grab the headphones. I'm like, I'm just working out without headphones today. So then I go, I'm like, well, let me warm up on a basketball court. I'm shooting a ball, and my hands are numb because it's cold in the gym. I'm like, man, this is my first workout of the week. bro i want to believe in the gym bro it was just that fucking cold i'm like i just get to work early all right now fast forward back to me getting home and i'm stuck in the fucking you know so i'm stuck in a thing here's more context i got a neighbor bro the only neighbor i really talked to like that and he's a very helpful dude and i was telling myself when it started snow because last year he gave me salt and i just finished off the salt this year right so That was the value of the sun. It was a big ass bag, bro. I was just throwing some places to get the bag. But I'm like, yo, I got to hit him up. His name Dex. I got to hit Dex up, man, just to say hi. I feel like it's been a while. We went to his daughter's birthday. But I'm not like a reach out dude like that. He's a good neighbor. I know he's a good neighbor. I fuck with him. If he have something, I go. If I have something, I'll tell him come over or whatever like that. But it's been a while since I heard from him. But now I'm stuck in this damn snow and ice. There's nobody to call but Dex. I called Angelina first. She's like, well, let me put Amari so she can watch TV. But now she's about to come help me. But we also have a two-year-old. And Dex got a little girl too. She's like almost three. Dex comes, bro. So now that guy make a little bit of small talk with him. Yo, bro, you ain't move yet? It's obvious he ain't move. He still, he there, bro. Yeah. So he's talking. And I can tell he probably like that is bad. Like need me for something. You know what I mean? So now we shoveling the snow out. I fell, bro, on the ice. I fell on the ice, bro. It was so much ice. Like he fell on the ice. Same day, right? I find out the next day, same day, two of my sellers got stuck on the highway somewhere. You know what I mean? So it's just, so all of that just further reinforced my point. Like, yo, it's just no reason to come. Like, it's just no fucking reason to be here. But the thing is with us, we had to shovel because we got sellers that go on to Arlington to funerals. And they ain't fucking canceling the funerals, bro. Arlington ain't canceling funerals. So even on the snow days, my sellers had to go to them funerals. So we wanted to at least, yes. So we wanted to at least, so that was Skipper's big thing is like, hey, I want to at least shovel out a path so that our sellers are safe when they go to the vans. Oh, more random news. Right after we shovel? Like so you know they had us on like a low priority for the snowplow dudes right after we shoveled the snowplow dudes game. Yo we here. No mind you they ain't shovel what we shovel. They shoveled out parking like parking spaces and stuff like that So boom but that would have helped us with the vans right That would have helped us with the vans that was going to the National Cemetery So car got stuck wound up finally getting the car out, man, and got home. So that's another thing too, that day that I shoveled for four to six hours was crazy. And then the day before that, I had shoveled our before that. I'm confused. But I'm operating off like four hours of sleep, man. Our house, the temperature don't really regulate as great as I want it to be. And last thing I got to say about snow so I can shut my ass up. I saw on the news when I was in the gym today that the mayor asked the National Guard to help shovel. And they got like videos. Boy, that's the guard probably. They said, hey, there for that, Domo. We here to be snowing. They be out here shoveling snow, man. The boys tight, bro. They like laughing at each other. You can tell they trying to, you know, the military, when you're doing something that sucks, that you're just trying to like have a good time with it. They out there laughing like, yo, what you calling us a shovel for? Where your workers? That's another thing, bro, about the city. This D.C. area, P.G. County area is like, and I know we got some listeners from the DMV or whatever that work at the DMV right now and they probably could relate the efforts to remove the snow and ice were bad they fucking suck bro they sucked that was the remove it like people were people were like snowed in you know so like my wife ain't go to work but one day she went to work on friday but people were snowed in their neighborhoods bro like they like yeah you got the main road but people got to come off the neighborhood street to get to the main it was really bad they want to plow on my block you know when they plow my block bro man the morning after i was stuck bro the next day and then they you know they when they plow it make like the snow hill right yeah yeah yeah so since they plow my block the morning after i was stuck and remember my driveway was already shoveled like clear but when they plow now they got snow hills in front of my car so now and they ain't even taking that account like yo this dude house is shoveled like so i had to shovel that out before i went to work bro it looked like an article outside the house because the ice everything iced over bro well i said the bottom so when you shoveling ain't that hard because isn't like you're not shoveling snow you shoveling ice so like soon as you could get a good crack on the ice you might really pick up a big ass block of ice like a big chip of ice and move it you know so it ain't that hard as like you just shoveling powder a powdery substance like as soon as you crack that ice you good so as much as I like want to act like Superman it wasn't as bad as if I was only shoveling snow Yeah, man, that's the whole point of that salt, though, so it don't ice over. And so when it's still icing up, bro, it's a problem then, boy. That's a problem coming in. Yeah, and I think what the salt did was made it so the ice didn't stick to the grill, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what it did was as soon as you get a good kind of like a good piece up under there, like a good piece of your shovel up in there and you lift up, you could crack that bitch. like crack, crack, crack, and you good. If I wouldn't put the salt down, though, I feel like then I'm scraping ice, you know, from the ground. It was like a little layer. Yeah, man. I'm glad you gave me a perspective, man, because I'm sitting on the news, man, and my family down in Georgia. I got some people in Georgia and stuff like that. I hear them talking about weather and this and that. Man, now you about to get it again, I think, right? Then they said something about you about to get another front, another something coming in? Man, they saying it might not hit us like that. I hope not. I hope not, bro. It's bittersweet, right? Because you do get snow day. You get your snow day. Yeah. But like I said, in the Navy, people start feeling guilty. Like, oh, man, we still got to get something. We got to pull them laptops out, bro. That's it, bro. Hey, pull the laptops out, bro. Physically coming in, sometimes even for me right now, man, I don't know about you, probably not you, but for me, a lot of my work anyway is communicating on my phone, communicating through the computer. You know what I mean? The only thing I'm not doing is walking around seeing sailors and talking to sailors, but other than that, a lot of my stuff. If something comes up, we got to do what we got to do, man. Shit. I think that's the key thing in the role, though, too, is getting out there with the sailors and shit. Yeah, yeah. I know it's your job though sometimes you don't see sailors right? No! I mean I'm in the hangar but I say my office is upstairs though and kind of all the sailors work downstairs but I walk down there though. I know you said they be flying and all that but it's never a time that it's never like a time when it's a ghost town pretty much. No, no, no. Yeah, it's not a ghost town. yeah that's crazy man that weather shit man yeah i got a rebuttal from um our last episode so on our last episode we talked about frat fratnization um it's not necessarily a rebuttal it's just an add-on to something something that i was saying so i never really you know i just said like i don't really have an opinion on it but one of the things that does hit me and when i was listening to the episode. Now, mind you, for the listen, the episode ain't even out yet. But when I was listening to the episode, well, it'd be out when you hear this, but the episode ain't out at the time that we talking. I was talking about Pratt and how some people disagree with the policy, right? I wasn't saying I did or not, right? I said, I ain't saying if I do or not, but some people do. One of the things that I do acknowledge is power dynamics, though. I do acknowledge power dynamics. And this all comes from me listening to another podcast and they would talk about like this dude offered this lady $3 million to leave her husband, like an indecent proposal type thing, right? And people were like, well, it's on her, it's on her, it's on her. Well, yeah, okay, yeah, it's probably on her, but it's a power dynamics thing in there, the same way you would look at a boss and a subordinate in a relationship, in my opinion, right and he was her boss in that relationship um and then power dynamics play a big part even in frat so like man you might look a little better to your seller you know what i mean like like and that's the thing with the frat like you in that leadership role you standing in front your team at quarters or whatever you might look a little better to that person than you did if you was when you were standing on the side of people or whatever like that because of the influence that comes with that power people look at you a little different they might be a little bit more admirable. So those things do play, in my opinion, a negative part when it comes to frat, especially when you... I ain't saying you met somebody at the club and then you found out that y'all was at the same command. And before you checked in or something, you found out y'all was at the same command and the same division. I'm talking about if you've been somewhere for a year and you as a leader had your eye on somebody and you was a little charming, or even if they started to move on to you or whatever, it's some power dynamics that you got to consider. Would you be doing this if I wasn't your chief or would you be doing this if I wasn't your LPO? Now, mind you, I'm putting aside right now on policy. I'm just talking about real life, right? Policy is policy. We got to abide by that, right? But we have to think about power dynamics too because they play a part and it's a nasty part basically. yeah I agree with you man like it's always something too man but I tell you man I think also though with the whole frat and the policies and everything man like it comes a time when you could be thinking stuff all the time bro that don't mean you gotta act you know what I'm saying but in order for it to be something somebody gots to act I guarantee you if you knew, if we went back and can get some numbers on who was doing the acting, I just want to know who the hell that is, man. Who the one that's making a decision to say, hey, what's up? Hey, blah, blah, blah. I'd like to know who that is. You think it'll be 50-50 number? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah. I heard stories from both sides, bro. And right now I'm talking senior subordinate, specifically chiefs and junior sellers. Now, mind you, I haven't heard a cesspool of stories, right? Like all is running rampant, right? You know what I mean? But I have heard young women are seeing it on TikTok or somewhere, like young women talk about chiefs hollering at them. you know and then i heard like we're chief saying like the young ladies hollering and that's just from that perspective there's other perspectives too it's like other women that might have different perspectives than me are people that might heard it different from me but i i think it's closer it might not be 50 50 but i think it's closer to 50 50 than we think you know even when i remember when i was on my ship man my my ship as a junior seller it was a lady chief on there she was pretty man this is my first command. She was pretty. I mean, we was trying to... I remember we had a command party and we was drinking and stuff. We trying to dance with her, bro. Like we were. She was bad. Junior Sellers, we was trying to... Yo, I'm going to dance with Chief, man. You know what I mean? That's just what it is, bro. People do that. They see somebody they like or something and they try it. They try. Yeah, they try it, man. And they think that, of course, as leaders, we got to find ways to deal with it. I had a conversation with a lot of young men at my command about what I said I was going to talk to them about in the last episode. We talked about healthy dating habits and stuff. And I saw some of their perspective. I didn't agree, but I saw it. And I was like, yeah, and everything they were saying, I'm like, this is why we need to have these conversations. Yeah. Yeah. Because basically I was introducing it to them like, hey, we're going to start doing this and doing that. And just introducing it, the room erupted with thoughts. And one of the thoughts, for instance, is like, well, what if she promiscuous? I'm like, this is why we need to talk. I'm like, this is why we need to learn healthy dating habits and shit. And I urge any leader, if you haven't done it, man, to get together with the young boys that you come in or whatever. and like spark that conversation out man and see what it is you know and it happened to me kind of twice this week uh another way i don't another way i don't want to explain because it's a little closer to the chest but uh it had to do with that too and um just asking some questions and hearing how like my mail sellers felt about a young lady that that's not at my command but just hearing what they had to say versus what she had to say. And it was on two opposite ends of the spectrum. You know what I mean? And it's like, yeah, this is why we need to talk healthy date habits for real. Yeah, 100. Speaking on relationships, at this level, right? And this ain't for the listeners, man. We just here, man. We just happen to be here today, man. But at the level you're at now, And I think it helps even for junior sellers. How important is collaboration and relationships? Is it like the most important tool to have in the toolbox? I think it's most definitely one of them, Dombo. I won't say it's the most important, but I'm going to tell you why I think it's very important. And it's because the relationship piece and the collaboration piece, man, it makes you feel like you belong. It makes you feel value. And it makes you also feel like it's something that you can go talk about. Right? I think that's the key to leadership, key to a lot of things, man, is relationships. you know the collab piece kind of play its own part too because you you know you you're with somebody you're talking about something you got the common goal you're trying to get to a certain point but the relationship piece man is like when i go in a room and we are talking about something and we having a good relationship you're gonna feel like you can bring it up instead of hold it back or try to go around ways of saying it instead of saying it you know um a lot of those things happen when you got good relationships and a good collab and you know you and then when you back to how both of those work together with me is now you know when you you're putting out some some good stuff right and you know we want to put out some good stuff so that's like me and you talking about something and you like I have to ask him this question because I know where we are trying to go if I don't ask this question here we're not going to get to the result that I think we should be at but those good relationships and good collabs of working together going to make you more comfortable with asking that question that you want to ask to make sure we get to a common goal I hope I wasn't going in riddles right there but I just think that it is it is very important I'm all but I don't only reason why I'm saying it's not the number one thing is because I'm sure I can sit here and think of some stuff you know that could be equal to or maybe a little bit better but I do think relationships and collaborations is right there though at the top what can you think of and I mean at your level yeah you think what can what could you think of that's more important than relationship I think the only thing I can think about sometimes, Dumbo, is sometimes you need that subject matter expert to be an expert in whatever field it is. At your level. For you. Okay. For you to be the sneak? That's the most important tool in your toolbox? No, no, no, no. I guess you put it like that, though. That made me think a little bit harder now. I think with me, at my level, and even a triad level, relationships, that's probably his number one bro right because i think it's up there bro i think it is up there when you think about it like i'm thinking about when you was talking about it and you brought it up i'm thinking about a whole navy thing like you know a navy thing but yeah yeah at my level man you most definitely need relationship that's why we always do a lot of and and for all the cmcs and all the triads and things like that mostly all events that i go to and i end up going to at the end of that event is say somebody, you know, a social event, so you can like collaborate and talk to people and get relationships, what they call it, that you can, what word I'm looking for, man? Networking and things like that. That's what we do a lot of now at this level, right? We get together, we have some social events, we talk about things, especially if you're in the same field, you want to talk about some stuff that you done went through and how you did this and how you did that so yeah i think those relationships matters uh and the collabs matter a lot man so yeah i put it up there yeah i'm i'm super young in this man um in a lot of different ways but i i would assume that there's no command master chief out there that that didn't have a moment where they were looked at like they've fucking saved the world and really they just knew the person you know knew somebody like they had a friend yeah you know so that and that that's that's been happening to me more recently where it's like yo thanks man thank you i appreciate it now i know the dude man i know the dude that worked there like yeah that's my boy you know like recently i wanted i was hoping aaron was on the phone because aaron just helped me with me and aaron just collaborated on like taking care of one of my sellers and it was just a man let me call aaron real quick we could get this done you know it's like damn you know cmc you work that out like just call aaron that's the homie we figured out something you know and uh and at the level man like it happens like because officers have a from from what i know um and i and i don't think it's foolproof but i think it's a little bit more um politics in the world of officers when it comes that's kind of what i hear from officers is like, hey, CMC, can you just make the CMC call? Because I think sometimes it's a different world when it comes to officers and they still got a lot of ranks. You still got admirals. Still more and more you got to deal with when it comes to that. So yeah, I definitely think collaboration and relationships at this stage is important. But now I would stress to the young sellers who look at subject matter expertise and all that. And I don't think that beats that but i would tell y'all early because a lot of us when we young we'd be like man we don't need nobody boom you know um i'll tell y'all now even before you get to the chief's mess um work on your relationships with people work on your relationships that was one of the things that people was telling me i needed to do to become a cmc you know back when i was a first class like you want to be a chief you want to be a cmc you better have good relationships with people and it ain't about no playing a game type shit and nothing like that like establish some good relationships like when you meet cool people when you meet good people don't let them go and pretty much what it is don't let them go yeah yeah you know yeah and then talk about the relationship and collabs and stuff man i envy some of these these these um cmcs and whoever out there man oh like i be seeing them hang out together on social media i was like damn I feel like I'm in the middle of nowhere I be seeing some good people Get some good leaders I be seeing them all together I'm thinking out there man That's iron sharpening iron out there That's what I be thinking man It's some good stuff going on So I like it man A five minute phone call could get it done You know That's all relationship based A five minute phone call could get this shit done And shout out to everybody That helps me out everybody that coming people you know one of my people was talking to me they're like yo how you know all these people cmc i'm like man they be helping me out man i appreciate them all man like they come through they hope you know like and whatever they need from me i got them you know yeah 100 they like my neighbor man like they don't need much from me but i be needing them though so and I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. Most definitely, man. Another random Navy kind of question that I was also wishing that Aaron was here for, because he's an OS. Well, he was an OS, and me and you were both snipes, but our opinions might vary on this. But what's your version of a perfect work center, right? And I'm talking about personalities only, right? Nothing else but personalities, right? Seven people, right? So So your Devo, your Chief, your LPO, your Works in the Soup, your RPPO, and then two, I don't want to say worker bees, right? So two apprentices, right? So Devo, Chief, LPO, Works in the Soup, RPPO, two apprentices in the work center. What type of personalities would you want them to have to have an efficient work center? Chief need to be like what? First class need to be like what? Well, I think from a personality standpoint and everything, man, I think a perfect work center will be from the leadership, meaning the devil or the chief, they're empowering, right? I think that they, I want them to know the answers, but be able to empower, right? I want the LPOs. Devo and chief, two different people though, bro. They are two different people, right? and they working together so from a standpoint I'm going to start at the chief level I think when I say empowering more of the chief empowering know what you're doing things like that but chief empowering right and then I want the chief to be able to lean and make sure that the respect making sure the devil doing the things they need to do making sure the devil is being respected a lot of times that can be confusing to make sure they being respected They're doing the things they need to do to be successful and moving up that ladder. And believe it or not, man, when you're in a division, from a division standpoint, man, that chief does a lot. Even though that devil may can stand up there and be like, okay, he or she's a one. But at the same time, that chief moves a lot right there. When it comes to the LPO, man, I need that LPO and a work center to be cool, calm, and collective, man. I don't need nobody blowing off the handles all the time. I need you to be firm when you need to be firm, but I need you to be cool, calm, and collective, man. I need you to know your job, right? I need you to be able to forecast out, look a little bit further than the work center soup can. I get the work center soup in a few minutes. I need that LPO to be forecasting, looking out, asking the works in a soup questions. Do you have this? Do you have that? We got this coming up. We got that coming up forecasting. From a works in a soup standpoint, I need them to be I need them to have a mindset of a go-getter. I want to be the best mindset at this level. I want these young, I know I'm young in leadership, so I want these young sailors to look up to me and I want to grow. I want to know, like, I want to be a sponge. You know, I want to know much as I can. So, and have the mindset to think, like, I want to know this because I want my sailors to come to me and say, hey, why is this like this? And why is this like that? I can be able to answer those questions or try to answer those questions or know where to go find the answer to those questions or know when to talk to the LPO. Now, also what that is, the biggest seen from a work center super and an LPO is that I need them to be able to plan and I need them to be able to be prepared. Right? And the only reason, and I'm saying that to say this, I know junior sailors want to work. But if they're sitting around all day, I always thought they are sitting around not doing anything because they don't have anything to do or they have not been told what they need to do for that day. That's why they sitting around. So I need that works in a suit to have a plan for each sailor, what they doing, how they doing it. And then just always from the LPO and also from the works in a suit, always thinking about development too. How we're developing these junior sailors, especially with now how we're doing things with BBA, man, you got to be invested in these sailors. We have to be invested in everything because they're going to be your peers or it might be leave you one day who knows and then for the junior sailors man just be a sponge and be ready to work I need you to have a good attitude ready to work every day because and I'm going to bring this up by the junior sailors man real quick because I had a CPO leadership discussion and I talked to junior sailors and one of the junior sailors told me some of his peers mentality is they didn want to get certain quals and they didn want to get certain things because they be the go then I want those junior sailors to be the go I want them to want to be the go-to. I want them to try to get the highest quals they can. I want them to try to plan and execute on how they're going to get there though. It's ways to get there and I want them to plan and know, okay, this is how I'm going to get to this level. Having a good attitude goes a long ways with that too. But I do know once the work center supervisor give them that plan, man, I think the attitude all that stuff matters, man. People don't understand that what that leadership does from the LPO and the work center suit, it matters to those junior sailors. The attitude that work center suit has on his day to day on how he get business done is going to reflect on how those junior sailors are going to get their work done. We just came in, Dumbo. They just know what they know. Yeah. Right? Now, Dumbo, that was me going through it. I want to say one more thing. We cannot dictate what they're going to know outside that work center, though, because that's another variable. That's another thing that's dynamic in this whole relationship thing, too. I know we ain't talking about that though, but the outside noise is another thing also. What you talking about? I don't know what you're talking about. I mean by outside noise, meaning like when they go to the barracks, when they go home, when they hanging out with their friend that may not have that same attitude that they had. Oh, okay. That go get it attitude or whatever. That's going to play a part because of peer-to-peer. Peer-to-peer stuff is crazy, right? You know, so I just want to throw that out there too. Yeah. so uh devo right i need a i need a firm devo like i need a devo that's not afraid to like step in sometime right like like when when chief is on a soapbox or i need a devo first of all the chief and devo i need them lockstep right anyway right but um i need a devo and i and i'm talking as the eyes like that i'm the chief i'm talking to the eyes i'm chief right yeah but um i need the Devo firm in that. I remember times where I was on the carrier and people would be like, well, Devo told me this, whatever. Yeah, she right. She right. Yeah, you know. I'm 100% behind that. You know what I mean? So that's one thing because Devo and Chief more than anybody else in that division is probably going to be in and out of that division, right? Like doing different things. Devo got, we talk about we on a destroyer, cruiser, whatever, Devo working on a swole or whatever, right? If we talk about first tour or whatever, or anything, they stand in some type of watches, they doing something else, right? Standing on a bridge, standing in combat. So Devo also has to be smart. Gotta be smart and like, when I talk about smart, I'm not talking about like, what capacity of what you know. I'm talking about the rate at which you can learn. And I'm always impressed by officers. I'm going to give a shout out to officers real quick. The good ones. It takes me a long time to learn shit, bro. A long time. I got to write the entire tech manual down, right? Word for word. Then I got to create index cards. Then I got to record it on a voice recorder. like officers, they leave one day and come back. And that's the type of officer that I need. Some officer, if you're listening, please, I'm trying to learn how to do that. So tell me, right? So that's the type of officer I need, like that, but still firm. And when your chief snap or whatever and walk out, walk out with the chief. I need the chief to be an owner. I need the chief to be an owner, man. You got to own everything in that division. You got to own everything. Every activity, every event. You got to like, so that means your presence need to be filled in and throughout that division. And I say that because I already said, Devo and Chief ain't going to be there as much as everybody else due to other commitments, right? so in owning it your people now know like hey this is a harsh you know and you gotta feel like that and your people gotta feel like you gotta feel like you represent them everywhere you go and they gotta feel like they represent you everywhere they go and y'all represent that division so i also need chief to be a little proud i need chief to be proud i don't want no unmotivated don't want to be here not proud chief like this is your work you know like this is your work this is like and all of this year work you know you might be getting a young person that's 18 fresh out of high school what like you got some work to put in man like you raising up a really good seller you want that person to be the best that they could be you got to be the best that you could be you got to own that shit so that's kind of what i need out of the chief i feel like you do that everything else comes with it right you're gonna jump in the books when you're supposed to you're gonna say no to the extracurricular shit when you have to do things with your sellers You're going to put your sellers where they need to be and you're going to be where you need to be when you know you need to be there if you own your shit. Right. My LBO, I need them versatile. Right. I need them, him or her. I need them. I need them versatile. I would even say a little bit of a mama bear at times or a papa bear, whatever you want to call it. Like somebody that's going to put their sellers under their wing. I need that person that when they find out that they sell again, like fucked over on like getting boards in a watch section. I need that person to go down and talk to whoever that EDO is or whoever like, hey, what's going on? Whoever that first class in the duty section is like, hey, what's going on with my people? But I also need that person to care about training. right and i also need that person to care about having a a footprint on other junior sellers in a command not just the sellers in your division so i need you versatile i need you able to speak in places where chief ain't you know i didn't dealt with that before too as a chief of like a collateral duty thing before where it's like first class and went in there and you know talk all this presidential shit with everybody else when we get up in there to try it man I gotta step in you know you're looking at me you told me you wanted to run this you know what I mean I need a first class to want it to want it I need a first class to think that they better than the chief like that's the same first class I need to be like yo better than you but also respect that chief like just try to outwork me every day just try to out everything me try to out care me right um it works in the soup bro i need a dog i need a fucking dog bro i need a pit bull bro like a fucking what is it a black bear is it that uh whatever one right a grizzly bear bro yeah i need a works in a soup that's on it right that's the thing and i'm talking about second class too right that's kind of going with the perfect system, right? So I'm talking about second class. That works in a suit, man. Got everything in check. You know? I need to have one of them scenarios where you come to me. You ever have like, where like your kid do something in school, like somebody like, like hit them and they hit them back, you know, and then you go up to school, you tell your kid like, hey man, you know, keep your hands off people, but really you like, eh, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the type of works in a suit, I need, man. Yeah. I need like, I need people to be like, yeah, you know, like we were only like lunch was only over for five minutes. And EM2 came in and he told us to get the fuck back to work, you know. And then it was like, hey, for real, I'm going to go talk to EM2. And I need to be like, yo, EM2, maybe lay off the profanity. But good job. Get him back out there. That's the type of work. This is my need, man. Don't be afraid. Hey, and respect it, though. You know what I mean? All that hard for them and respect it, though. Yeah. A tech expert. Know how to do the work, right? Know how to do the work. I need a proactive RPPO, man. I need a proactive RPPO. Get ahead of the game. Get ahead of the game. RPPO is an important role to me on the ship. I was the RPPO, and I thought I was the greatest. Hey, for the junior seller, I'll tell y'all what, man. Me too. Yeah, CMC stuff, I'm still learning. I'm still learning. I'm humble here. But I thought I was the greatest RPPO in the game, bro. there wasn't no part i couldn't get wasn't no part i went to the carrier bro chiefs was ordering the wrong shit you know what i mean it's different it was a different game i was a third class rppo bro it's nothing i couldn't get what you need what do you need man yeah and that's the type of and proactive too like oh yeah well they ain't have it here so i already did this we could do like yo like yes i'm not probing you the the worst thing about to me the career or the thing i don't like to have to do is keep asking people for things right more than one time right so i need that proactive my junior sellers hungry what's up damon no i was i'll get the rppo thing real quick man um and you know how much shit i learn in the navy how it works being an rppo man yo bro i'm here to tell you man that the insides of when i became a works in a soup and the things i knew as a works in a soup a lot of that stuff came from an rppo the job wise we know as a works in a soup we know it as a damage control i know how to be a damage control right i've been doing it but that RPPO side of that shit, I became I became hell when I was RPPO, man. I became hell. Telling you. I don't really like it when my works in the suit wasn't RPPO, bro. Yeah. It's just, to me, like, the natural progress. I get it if you work in the suit, but and you're hungry enough to learn RPPO shit, because, again, I need everybody in the division to be able to order some parts. You know, when I don't need you to be stuck with, that was another thing with the carrier. It was like only certain people knew how to order parts and shit, or when you need a tech man you had to go to this up to the fucking 07 floor or whatever. It's like, yo, where are tech babies at? You had to go to the tech. Yeah, man. But yeah, I need my, like I said, junior sellers, hungry, bro. Hungry. It's kind of akin to what you were saying. Like the whole, like, I don't want to do this because it's not. Where is that? Where is it at? I want to do it. Give me more. What's next? What's next? what's next like i don't want you i want you what i don't want you to want to be at work ever like that's the type of junior seller that i want i don't want you to want to be at work ever but and not wanting to be at work i don't want you to not want to be at work and then be at work and don't be and don't do shit like when i was a junior seller bro and i guess i'm reliving my about glory days i never wanted it's like that day when i was shoveling bro i didn't want to shovel so you know what I did? I shoveled my ass off so we'd be done. And that's the type of junior seller I need, bro. And now we just talk about apprentices, right? Study up. Do your shit, right? Know your shit. Step up. Do things when you get called for it. Don't be afraid to make the mistake. Don't be afraid to do the thing. And work so you can leave. Get your shit done. Don't sit around and wait and all that. Get your shit done. Get up out of there. Fuck around with your friends at lunch and somewhere off the ship. you know that used to be you know the thing too i had friends we hung out around the barracks and did all that dumb shit but at work you know we you know and we bullshit at work sometimes but at work it's full steam ahead bro like we getting down yeah and that's kind of how i would want it to work out bro yeah that's that's that's good bro you broke it down a whole lot more than i did uh but i will say this man um back this rpb you gotta be pumped up on this rppo shit man yeah the other thing is man about the rvpo is um when i when i was doing it in the beginning i had my notebook out right and i wrote everything was written out by hand i went in there and i freaking had my ruler out i was marking everything down i was separating everything by part i was doing everything right then somebody gonna come down there and fucking supply and tell me oh you know you can just print this out from fucking from the thing just print print everything out i don't want to i don't want to print everything out man i feel like i learned so much by writing shit down you know what i mean i don't want to do all that because now you can go in there now and just print and you good you make your whole rppo log by just printing the shit out right yeah i came up in that era but i still yeah yeah i came up i was writing everything down bro I highlighted, written down and then I kept my notebook and bro, Chief would come through there what about this? I had this shit out, boom hitting him with it man, that was some pride for shit I had a lot of pride in that shit, bro don't even try it like, yo, we need parts don't even try it, bro we should a super be trying like, we doing it, man Like, you always get a little scared to do something when you first start. I get it, but you got to learn. You know, don't be afraid to do something you feel like you're not 100% on. You're going to learn it. Just keep trying to do it. And then for whoever listening, this conversation wasn't about all the empathetic shit, right? It was just about the personalities. If you know me, you know the empathy part is led with that anyway, right? So that's like we don't got to talk about it every single time we talk. if you don't know us then yes you know but you know i don't got to talk about the empathetic you know human aspect every single conversation we have we know that's there already i need my second class of fucking dog yeah and then also to add to that too man like to all the leaders that that that's oh that's um letting your junior sailors um f up sometime and correct them you That's how we learn, man. We learn from making mistakes. They're not like failures. They're lessons, man. When I came up, even for my RPPO earlier, writing jobs, I was jacking those jobs up in the beginning, right? But it was somebody there to say, hey, you jacked this up. This is how you're supposed to do it. We need those leaders out there saying, hey, you got this one, man. You can't keep jacking this up, though. But here you go. And that's what I like about the engineering department watch watches the underway the underway watches because it's like a i would compare it to a sports team where like there's different people in different positions but everybody can see the position you play you know you know it's you know it's a strong eo you know it's a weak eo you know it's whatever i i would say on the destroyer i i don't know that i was the strongest E out, I had a strong pack. People know what to do with the people, where to put them. You know what I'm saying? You know that. And I would have asked for a strong pack. Yo, let me get a strong pack. Bro, hey, I asked for a strong pack and a strong Epsi, bro. I wanted strong. I tell them like this, man, this is what it is, man. I say this is not my source rate. He's telling you right now. But if my pack and my Epsi can give me the sips, the if they can give me the symptoms, I got you. Right? Because I can go there. I ain't scared of the 1MC, bro. I ain't scared to go there and I know what to do. Right? But if I'm not going to look, bro, I am not going to be that guy. And I'm going to tell you right now, I am not going to be the guy that you need. You think I'm going to go over there and walk over there to the pack and say, I see that. Oh, I see this happening. Going to the MC, I see that happening. No, I need somebody to give me them symptoms, bro. Give me the symptoms. Let me know what's going on. And I got you, bro. I'm over there with MC. I'm telling who I need to know. I got all that. But I'm not that guy. And I'm saying this because, bro, these GSs and engines and electricians and all them, bro, you guys can walk over there because this is what you do every day, right? A lot of like you on the Epsi console, dumb old. That's your shit. You know what they do when you walk over there. You know what's up. The GSM's and stuff on their pack. They look over at them numbers and throw them numbers off. You know what's going on? Me? Nah, bro. I need them symptoms, man. Be real, bro. It's not a security, man. Go see if it's flooding down there, man. Hey. Go tap the water tight though. Hey, yeah, bro. If it ain't a inductor or nothing like that, bro. You know what I'm saying? Be honest with you. But hey, I tell you what, if you want that honesty, I'm giving it to you every time too, bro. I'm not going to bullshit back. I'm not going to bullshit. You have to, right? You have to. That's how you have an efficient. My first EO when I was the second, I would say I was a stronger FC going into EO because it was the path by which. And a stronger pack. I was a stronger EO when I was the second because I was a sounding insecurity. I went through everything, engine room, all that. So by the time I got the EO as a junior seller, I could do the whole shit. And maybe not engine room as much because I got out of there quick. So like the little oil purifiers and all the LODs, the duplex trainers and all that shit, like all that. I know for some combat people, I'm sorry, y'all. For the air people that listen, I'm sorry, y'all. We're getting sniped kind of heavy here. But I could do all that then, but maybe not some of that operator shit, but any AUX room shit i could do it so by the time i got up to eow i i knew all that shit when i got to destroy it's a little different because it's like yo you achieve and the expectation is that you just get out right from the gate and it's yeah you go walk around with the htc or the dcc or whatever but they honestly man i never had experience where i felt like they take that all too serious like yeah man look this over here man man man it's like you're like i really need this training i don't know shit man you know so so i was a weaker e on both on both consoles right i got stronger on epsi throughout time of course because it's your pride it's my rate like i gotta be a strong epsi but uh and because i messed up on epsi before like yeah that you know took down i took down um some of the ship made the ship go that that was on the on the perot that i made yeah yeah let me go back and clarify some shit now I came up ERO and came up like you know when I came I was ERO for like over a year man so I was good down there in the spaces right on the Parata right no no no no no back in the day yeah back in the day yeah so I came up as ERO it was on the McCain I think on the McCain and I was first class and I was ERO yeah I stayed that now for a while man and then when I came up I got packed like right away because I knew ERO stuff so good right so I already knew all these stuff I knew a lot so I got packed real quick man and I felt like I was really good on the pack man I was actually drilling I was one of the drilling packs right on there so I knew that stuff as a pack I know I was saying EI being strong but I knew how to look at the symptoms and things like that but I want to let the listeners know and everybody know too that get these it's a difference in I had this HT1 man this dude had like 3-4 E-I letters bro like when I say it's a difference bro when he was in there and he was standing watch bro this dude can come over those consoles man and be like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah on both consoles and I'm like I be asking questions bro how you know all that shit. And bro, he used to talk about how he used to be in all these tech manuals and their manuals all the time. He just learned so much shit. And I was like, man, it's levels to this shit. I feel like I was a good EI. I feel like I was a good pack. But I'm telling you, it's people out there. It's levels to this shit, bro. It's like the black lady hand, bro. I'll be like, you go ahead and tell me. Like, hey, look, is this happening? That means this. I, you know, and I love a good operator. That's probably, in my opinion, might be the most important watch. an engineer. For the operator. Let's stop nerding out about this engineering shit before people start judging us. I'm going to leave this Don Lemon topic alone because I don't really know how to get it. It's going to be a week old anyway by the time we get there. The BBA Handbook, Volume 3, right? Two things. It's out. Read it, right? They my two points with that. It's out. Please, everybody, read it. I just shared it. So I got like a text, WhatsApp thing, a group of my sellers. I shared them the BBA handbook and I shared them the flyer because the bowling alley that was closed for a little bit is going to be back open. I got more reactions on the bowling alley than the BBA handbook. Please read it. It's your career. Boom. Now I want to do two things. I want to give a shout out to Fat Chief and I also want to hate on Fat Chief for a little bit too. What's up, bro? you know it's all love for real um but uh yo man the bba handbook come out right i don't know how long from bba handbook coming out to me open up my phone in fact chief already got a post up about the bba handbook i'm like yo man you gotta slow down man and then read it he didn't read the whole my bag already but you know my man walking up 75 steps 25 times a day doing 25 burpees a day on somebody else's workout plan my man then read the bba handbook then posted about the bba handbook my man got all the energy in the world bro yeah slow down chap give us a chance to talk about the bba handbook bro yeah man yeah uh no shout out the bro man yeah good shit hit him up soon and get him on here um real talk though man shout out the shout out to fat chief and um hopefully we get him on the pod um and i know you got a real name i'm just using the handle you know yeah but yeah we should get you on a pod soon so we can have a really good conversation about the career counseling stuff and all of that. And shout out to everybody out there that's making really good informative content for sellers. We were never primarily for just technical information, just so people can know. What we were doing and always doing was lifestyle, like lifestyle. This is just the real life of a seller as they're experiencing time in the Navy in their career. Now, things change. Instructions come out. We want to discuss it. Things happen. We want to discuss it. But we are not the line by line, here's the technical information and the technical information only podcast. Now, we're going to give you our opinion. We're going to tell you how we feel. We're going to roll in the wild and crazy theories about it. That's just who we are and who we want to be. So I appreciate variation. And I appreciate people like Fat Chief in this space delivering the black and white in a very very digestible like manner and people following and being a part of that conversation as well. Yeah. Shout out bro. Doing a great job man. Keep it up. I like it man. I like the content man. That's good. So I do got a couple things demo that I want to run through real quick man. One. Hey. Hall of Fame Bro Bill Belichick Not a first ballot Hall of Famer What the F Bro Ain't no way in the world I just want to get that out there man I don't want to go too deep into it I just want to put that out there What is going on a dude to one Six Super Bowls as a head coach And two as a freaking coordinator Come on man let go That crazy How many did he win without Brady Zero did he I think he won all of them with Brady, right? But we took our first battle Hall of Famer, bro. Did he have a winning season without Brady? Oh, I don't know. I don't know that deep. But I don't know if that matters, though. Right? Who developed Brady? Not him. What? What? you're right you're right i can't i can't i can't brady won a championship the year he left the patriots bro bro brady was a freaking six or seven round freaking draft pick bro did nobody believe in brady nobody right so good thing belichick did it's a good thing belichick did yeah right he did yeah he should be first ballot I'm just joking too I know so real quick I don't know if the PFA instruction I don't know it because it's January but hey shout out to everybody in the gyms because man the gyms are packed hey right now the rolls are packed everybody out there running so hey shout out to everybody man that's out there putting in that work man but I don't know Dumbo you think it's the PFA you think it's everybody New Year's resolutions man I don't know. But I think the PFA on the base for sure. Right. Two things about that. One thing is the snowstorm recalibrated like off the base. The snowstorm recalibrated that shit quick. You know, everybody, you do your resolutions. It's back to normal. The snowstorm got them out of there. But shout out to people that want to do better every year. the other thing about the bases is yeah I mean the new instruction for sure but also we coming off the like new year's resolutions come at the greatest of times right we coming off of every fucking holiday that you gotta eat a lot of food at right except for the ones that happen in July but um so we coming off of all of that and so now people gotta work out it's some guilt working out and it's just all this shit and then also now this new instruction here right the other part about that is though like is it enough gyms for this instruction i know right places to work out on the installation for this instruction man yeah it's like working out now working out in the office man yo let's clear some of these desks out we can't get the gym from 08 to 1600 you know and those are working hours let's clear some of these fucking desks out and start getting the door jumping jacks man like i just i don't know that it's enough. And right now it's cold. So ain't nobody where I'm at on the side of the world. It's cold. So ain't nobody working out every day outside. It's like eight degrees out there, man. You can't do it. You're right, bro. You're right, man. I'm thinking about this now, man. And I'm thinking about it a little more, man. All the commands here. And they wondered, we started wondering why. Already I went to a meeting with all the CMCs and they were talking about equipment break-in and people slamming weights and people doing all this shit and i'm like you know parking on dirt man ain't got nowhere to park yeah everybody's in gyms now man i think we got to start respecting that a little bit more is that hey this shit breaking because it's over you too yeah remember what they say warrior games we got we got to fight it out man for gym time bro yeah get your strongest we're gonna get our strongest man yeah let them fight it out man let's see who can get the eight the clock, the 0800 hour. Yeah. Who gonna get that PRT spot, that space in the gym during PRT time, man? Like, you got all these commands, you got one gym, right? That used to be a thing, so look at it now. Imagine it now. Yeah, it's gonna get crazy, man. Alright, so, one more thing. Well, my two more things. So, I was thinking about this, man, because sometimes I be having these, you know, these thoughts, these talking to people, DRBs or whatever, and I just be thinking, man, how do you decide if you want to go down the rabbit hole or not on certain things, man? Domo. Before, I know you probably have a better answer than I'm going to have on this, man, but my whole thought and I got asked this question, how far I want to go down the rabbit hole? When I get asked this question, the first thing I'm thinking about, man, I don't feel like I'm going down a rabbit hole, man, first off. I feel like I'm asking the questions that need to be asked, right? I feel like I need to know because the question I'm asking, I'm asking and pointed, and I'm asking because I don't want a sailor to go through the same thing, right? That's kind of how I'm going down this rabbit hole, man. Like, it's not a rabbit hole. is the fact that if a sailor come in here and they got somebody gave them they bought alcohol from a certain store or whatever right and you underage I'm going to ask these questions what store what store or if somebody bought them drinks I'm going to ask who bought that drink because I want them in front of me too that's not me going trying to get more people in trouble no that's me fixing a problem it's me holding the standard right so what do you think about that man how far like is it a thought you have or it's just you think it's like me like it's just normal i i i'll be watching too much uh what's the denzel movie uh what's the denzel movie where he be fighting people the equalizer equalizer yeah i be watching too many of those types of movies because i i would be thinking like whoever's asking me that question must be at the end of the rabbit hole bro like i'm gonna fight my way until I get to you, bro. That's why you're asking me. Hey, I ain't never thought about that, though. Well, you might be right, bro. Shit. It's like, you sitting there at the DRB. I was at somebody's XOI before, and I talked about it on a pod, and the XO started going through the rabbit hole, and the person was like, yeah, because we never did the training. Our LPO told us to fucking just sign a mustard sheet, and the XO was like, who's your LPO? He's like, even one with color. you know and for the for the sellers y'all for anybody listening y'all had to listen to that the full story because this is not the full i've spoken on a full story before it's yeah it was a little bit more complicated than me just telling people something on my sheet but that ain't that ain't the purpose of that so yeah like yeah so like yo dude like i'm going like i'm a rabbit hole dude bro that's crazy bro that's crazy like like i'm now that just sound crazy bro i'm glad i'm going down the rabbit hole every time bro like i like that's the way my brain works bro like i i need every piece of it like i have to know like i said it take me a long time to learn shit i i really like to simplify shit so i like to break shit down break shit down break shit down to parade wrestle I got it so in understanding that I might understand it now some of the some of this shit is also like yo this is an open and shut case you know yeah I just you just dealt with an underage ring it I sound like it I had an underage ringing thing and you know two different ends of the spectrum but yes where'd you get it from you know like did they guard you like what like and then after that hey detective such and such it's a place at such and such place that's Serving alcohol to underage people. Like, go holler at them. You know, whatever. Work your magic there. Like, those are things that have to happen. You know, so I don't consider that rabbit hole shit. I consider that trying to change, like you said, trying to, like, change a culture, bro. We're not just only worrying about this one thing where it's obviously something else. Like, were people there? Did people see you drinking? Did they say anything? You know, like, you know, and then again, it gets back to that person. yeah well chief moore came around you like you know who told me not to go down the rabbit hole that's because you had the end of this money you know so yeah so uh yeah i'm um now and other things i don't bro i don't do like when it comes to like sometime when it comes to like people's health i don't yeah you know and then i get asked questions they're like well what would they what was the surgery for it'll be like yo i ain't asked man like i i know they're getting surgery you know like i didn't like so certain things where even like certain legal things like hey well what's to do with the like like you know i i didn't get the court doctor but and i realized how much especially at the command i'm at now and it's like where i'm at now like the transparency of like the daily lives of these it just seemed like it's way more transparent than anywhere else i've been like the expectation of what you need to know about like these sellers it's more than anywhere else so i sometimes i keep i always got to keep getting stock reminders like oh shit let me make sure i ask this question and make sure i ask this question because when i talk to skipper he's going to ask this question but that command was so used to having like all the information you know what i mean so um it's just a little different you know what i mean so but and i think me coming there changes things a little bit because it's it's things i don't care to go into the rabbit hole about. It's just things I don't care to do it about. It just depends. But at DRB, at DRB, put your gear on, man. Put your spelunking gear on, whatever. We're going. We're going in, man. Going in. It's my last one, Domo. Last thing, man. And I think this come from Domo of me thinking about leadership stuff so much now, man. like reading about it or whatever, looking at videos, YouTube. And I'm one of those guys now, man. How can I get an edge up on leadership stuff? And so when someone says something, sometimes I just think about it for a minute, right? And I'll be like, okay, that made sense. But do it really make sense? And one of them is about the saying that I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot make them drink, right? Like that sandwich and everybody say, I didn't say it a million times. Right. I didn't say it a lot. Right. But then when I break that down and think about it, and the first thing I thought about was you, Dumbo. That's crazy. Right. When somebody brought this up, I thought about I thought about you. And when you was back on a Peralta and you had about five electricians. Right. Well, five electricians. I thought about if you want a big ass work center and you got all these people, you make and say that you make and say a saying like that. But when you got four or five people working for you, no, you got to come up with a better saying. You can't say I cannot make them drink because you need every sailor. Right. I need everybody to be on the same wavelength. I need everybody to to come to the table and want to get this stuff done. I can't leave them. I can't say, you know, I want everybody to get called. But if they don't want to get called and that's what I can do. No, I don't need that. I need you to come up with something else. so that's kind of what I'm thinking at bro I'm thinking at it as the saying may work for some, it don't work nowhere for me put it like that, let me get that straight it works nowhere for me because I'm trying to make it but reality some sailors just don't want to do shit sometimes I'm not doing that but then you gotta use the might of the Navy and every tool in your toolbox and every experience you got to try your best to bring that sailor up to not make them drink as you know i don't know what you think about that sam i like it i like the saying um i feel like we do a lot of protection um as chiefs in our divisions so even like with the peralta per se um per se um it's things even as you being a good friend of mine um it's things you didn't see you know it's things you might have known or things you might out of inkling of, but it's things you don't see sometimes. In some ways, it's a lot of mentorship, right? A lot of digging your fingers into the ground and the dirt and the sand and trying to pull somebody on board. And sometimes you don't see it while you're there, right? I'm talking about this two weeks ago. Sometimes you don't see it while you're there, you see it later. you know um but the like it was a point of time on a peralta where i was the worst in a soup bro you know i think you were still there i was there yeah i remember i was the worst in the soup i probably was the best worst in the soup in the department for them five weeks however long i was two weeks three weeks right but it was a point in time when i was the worst in a soup you know that was because i couldn't make a horse drink you know i mean like that was because of that But then we get into this, we also get, and you learn it, right? I'm learning leadership. That's my first chief tour. We get into this thing where we also try to protect our division, protect our people. Like you're just trying to like pull at so much shit at the same time that like you don't think about some of the other things, right? So I don't mind that term, bro. I could go down a rabbit hole in that, pull off the thing. But I don't mind that term. you know you could you could lead a horse to because they're making them drink bro you drowning them bro yeah like you sticking they you sticking their head into them what would you be doing they were like yo motherfucker you call them drink yo all right we here i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you one more time I'm going to give you two seconds if you don't put your mouth into that water right now I'm going to put your head down I think what I'm trying to go to is I think also if they're not drinking we got to move on I guess that's what I'm trying to go with if they're not drinking well you still didn't make them drink that's true that's the reason for the quote that's me being a works in a soup for three weeks right like alright fuck it you know that's you know and some people might what's up but I'm gonna go back to your works in a your works in a soup point I also think one I think you doing that you was proving one point that it could be done right and I think you did it at a high level because I remember all this I remember all this stuff so for one you're proving a point and two I'm not above this and three you know i'm giving you guys example on what i'm looking for and what i need from you guys so it was some points that you was making even though you know you shouldn't been doing it but i feel like you was making a whole lot of points by doing it yeah yeah i forgot all that too you remember more than me about that but yeah like yeah you and then at some point you didn't make somebody drink they chose to drink right you know my thought process that is like you should feel bad about this. You should be thinking about this and being like, fuck. Maybe it's so much animosity there that you don't for a little bit, but at some point you should. You try to have enough pride every day that your sailors, no matter how they feel at the time, you try to instill enough pride in them about the job in the Navy that they do eventually be like, this fucked up. My chief is doing works in the soup shit. Day one, day two, they may be like, I don't give a fuck, man. yeah yeah yeah tell me what checks i got you took some weight off my shoulder shit you know by the end of week one it should be like damn i'm really like i feel like shit out here yeah all right classes see it over second class this is depending on you know who it is but uh but and to keep into the line of that quote you can lead a horse to water but you can't i agree with it because at the end of it you got to wash your hands bro and walk away and the difference between the navy and the civilian world and i think it's a bad difference for the people in the navy that's listening in the civilian world you could do it a lot easier you know when 50 was talking about like he was when 50 was talking about like leadership and power in his book he fired bangham smurf hey for the for the admirals listening yeah talk about bangham smurf man this is throwback episode this is me and damon here man but 50 was talking about he had to let Bangum go, bro. You know what I mean? And when I was reading the book about the Bangum Smurf shit, I'm like, yo, I didn't got the initial red flag multiple times from people. And the most I could probably do is write him up for it. I can't just be like, yo, you're done. You know what I mean? Friddy was able to do that shit like this. Hey, Bangum, I can't rock with you no more, Bangum. You know what I'm saying? So I honestly think that that's a weakness that we have as an organization. We can't cut out the bad apples or bad seeds. It's processes and the shit poisons the damn work center or whatever for X amount of time until you get it done. Yeah. Even if you send somebody TAD, you know, my bullshit ass division, my dumb ass chief. Like they in the B-Way talk about you there. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah And again that's another rabbit hole That we could go down bro I got one thing before we leave though man Maybe two but maybe one Yeah I want to give a shout out to When we did this when we first started And I feel nostalgic because it's me and Damon We used to give shout outs to like Programs and policies That we thought was dope Or old programs that we thought was cool I want to give a shout out to the Ditz program Bro and since we being nostalgic and we talking about peralta times and shit like that my first diss on a peralta the shit was bad bro and i was brand new i just got there and tom o'brien's division is ahead of mine and you know they doing a debrief and they numbers high they got high crazy numbers i'm like damn that's impressive you know tom a go-getter anyway tom on them do so you got the reason why I like this so you got the people that went through right you're in the debrief then you got like all the program managers and then the triad or whatever right so it's just a lot of people there a lot of eyes on your division it's everything it's every aspect of your division so Tom and them get done they killed it so I go through this you know I go to debrief and now I'm in there I think like A-Yang in there behind me because they coming up next or whatever my diss was trash. You know what I mean? It's like my first I think couple weeks or months on board, my diss was horrible, bro. And for me, though, it motivated me to never ever have another diss like that again. And then you know the history that got made after that. You know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's straight after that. But it's like before then, bro. But that's why I think this is so important because I'm at a command that don't have DITS, right? And it's like, yo, DITS would answer a lot of these things that seem impossible or at least give you a pulse check on these things. Medical in your department, right? Training in your department, DITS in your department. All of the things that need to get managed and handled, DITS does. So we got these meetings we were doing before I got there. We changing them in a way that kind of mirror ditz, but it's not ditz. And then we also got to do space walkthroughs too in a separate program, right? But this is just that all-inclusive post-check of your division, bro. And I like it. I think it's necessary. I think it's one of the better programs in the Navy. Yeah. I do too, bro. And I'm going to tell you, right now where I'm at right now, I'm just now implementing, I call it right now, I send out quad slides to everybody. So all these programs. But you know what else I said in this email about quad slides and everybody updating all these programs that I put in there? I put these programs in there and say I want all these updated. But I told them, this is fluid. right next time we do this i may add about five more things on there right and my plan is to get it almost like a disc dumbo like it's gonna be it's gonna end up mirroring something like that because this like you said man this does so many things and i'm gonna tell you the biggest thing it does man is get you in front of the co the xo and the cmc when you know you don't want to look like shit in front of the CEO, XO, and CMC. So I'm going to do what I need to do, right? To make sure I'm squared away, right? Because in front of them, you got other people that's checking your shit, putting your stuff on the board. That's the value about it, bro. It's because now this right here is the most important thing about this, is that everybody that owns the program goes through your work center. It's not you. It's not you going through it and putting all this great gravy shit in there that sounds so great. It's somebody else that's going through there that's writing down facts. You know what I mean? So that's the important thing about it, man. And then I want to say this. I think you shouldn't get upset about it. I think you shouldn't get mad at whoever checked because now this is giving you a snapshot. This is giving you an overview on the stuff that you are slipping on as a leader. Yeah. You're slipping on. So now I got an outside person coming in. That's why I always like when ATG came on board, I always like when somebody else came on board because now they get a look at me and now I can go back and fix me. Right. Yes. I never had a problem, problem with that. I didn't want to fail of course. Right. But I never had a problem with nobody coming on to see how we do business. Right. but I think that's what this program does man and division in the spotlight or division in the spotlight is because it put a light on things that you need not be thinking about you may be driven, you may be going there, you thinking about, I can say for example if I'm thinking right now I could be thinking about the inspection that's coming up in three months I just forgot about all these sales they need to go to dental, medical or whatever just put a light on all that man so I'm here to tell you I love it too bro he's right this is one of the most important programs it is and man we probably need to do a deeper dive into it too man like with other people to let other thoughts about it man because I love it yeah I like this hey man we be honest with y'all man having some technical difficulties yeah real bad we'd have been in it out about 16 times y'all yeah man probably gonna get up out of here yeah yeah hey it's all because i did a lot of moving around man i did a lot of i did a lot of moving i'm trying to get my stuff set up a little way so i'm looking more professional So he won't be big face, big face records. Yeah. He should say big face records, man. Like we got to be lined up, man. This felt good. This felt really good, man. It's like, I honestly, like I told them before we started, I ain't really want a pod. And I know y'all caught my energy in the beginning. If anybody's still listening at this point. But it felt good to just sit here with Damon. And like we found ourselves talking about shit from years ago. Yeah. from when we started to buy it, honestly. So it just felt real nostalgic, man. You know, all those Aaron's and all those T-shirts. It's like, no, shout out to them. I love them. Hey, hey. Peace out. Sorry, man. It feels abrupt, but two of these technical difficulties, man. David, yeah. We out of here, man. Oh, my goodness, man. Music Music Music