Why Are Some iPhones Turning Pink?

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Like we had the Windows XR headsets that came out during the whole like Windows 11 3D thing, or Windows 10 3D. I don't think that Samsung or Google are that sure on that this is going to be the future of computing. And so I don't think they want to commit like a whole team to actually like making photorealistic avatar software. It's funny because that's kind of where I landed with the Vision Pro review. Is that one of the headlines in the hat? There is a Vision Pro M5. Yeah, we talk about M5 and the new strap and stuff. So if you want to talk about that. Okay. But yeah, that's Galaxy XR. Nothing really else to talk about it with there, right? That's pretty much it. Any other, no one knows. It's the same cost as the foldable. So there's that. With the Vision Pro, you got to go, you got to get the fit. Yes. Same with the Samsung? Nope. No. No. How? It's very customizable. The whole like band thing. And it doesn't like fully light seal around your eyes. So with Apple, you're like fitting a light seal thing. This one doesn't have a light seal. Okay. But it's like in focus and it doesn't. Yeah. Wait for Apple, you just need to do like a face scan with your phone, right? Yes. I think that's all. You do a face scan with your phone and then you get a size designated for you, which is to give you a somewhat snug fitting light leak cover thing. And the Samsung is one size fits all. The Samsung has no cover. So you can kind of just look around and see down and around the room around you. But in front of you is the, the headsets and the speed and the lens is still moved to align with your eyes and like everything looks sharp. And the sizing of the whole headset is fairly customizable, but it's one size fits all. I have one more question as someone who has spent an inordinate amount of their life in Vision Pro. Yes. This one is $1,800. Yeah. Yep. So how does it compare build quality? Have you gotten to wear it yet? You did. Yeah. Yeah. So how does it compare? So, I mean, the funny thing about comparing it to Vision Pro is it's kind of not a good comparison. It does everything else the same as Vision Pro, but it's made of plastic like a quest. Like it's built way more like a quest. So it's way lighter. I think the thing that kind of just holds onto your forehead is like pretty nice and snug and comfortable and soft enough. And then it wraps around your head and the weight distribution with some of the battery on the back of your head. It's just way, way better to wear for a long time. The actual goggles are aluminum though, right? I got to pick them up again, but I don't think they are. I think it's glass on the front and then the rest is, is plastic, which is, it's good for weight. It doesn't mean it's going to hold up with dropping as well. I guess it's aluminum, but question. There is a light seal for the XR. There's an available light seal. An available light seal. But by default, okay, that's actually true. You can pop one on, but by default, you don't seem to need one. It looks like metal to me, but who knows. Okay. I have another question before we hop off this topic. As the person who sits next to Ellis while he is in this VR world using the Vision Pro in like multiple monitors, can this have multiple monitors like a computer? That's a good question. I had not gotten to try that. I would be willing to bet that you could get displays to show up on it from a computer, but it wouldn't be as easy as like tapping a button next to your Mac. I'm betting you'd need specific software to make that work, but I haven't tried it yet. I'm excited to get a review device for this so we can actually master that. As of the last time we use the Vision Pro, you still could not do multiple monitors on it. You could have one monitor. They have the wide screen now. So true. Ultra wide screen. And that's why we use the Vision Pro. And let's get started. The Vision Pro is a really cool version because the thing that kept me out of the Vision Pro the most. Besides the weight. I never really had a problem with the weight. I guess I'm just like built like an F1 driver. You know what I mean? Like just like training out the water. But I could see it. It was the heat. It was like, which I guess makes me not built like an F1 driver. It kinda blows hot air into your eyes. I just got so schvitzy in the Vision Pro. Did you have similar experiences in the Samsung XR? So we'll get to the new Vision Pro. The Samsung XR, no. It's been so long. When you don't have the light seal, it's more breathable. It's way more open. Your eyes can breathe. Your eyes can breathe. Yeah, which is nice. And I didn't stress test it for game or do mirror displays for hours at a time. So maybe it would get hotter if I did that sort of thing, but I imagine because it's more open, it wouldn't be a problem. Did your face feel hot on Meta Quest Pro? Cause that's more similar to the openness. Quest Pro or 3? Not saying. It's closer to Quest Pro. Wait, but like in terms of, well, and the lack of seal and openness. I couldn't have as long sessions in Quest Pro, not Quest 3, but Quest Pro, because it was just so much less, it focused so less well, that like I would get headaches from eye strain, which I don't remember ever feeling eye strain on the Vision Pro. I'm trying to remember. I think Quest 3 was like a little better, but, and I do remember heat being a problem on Quest 3 because I was using it for those long sessions. But Quest 3 is a bunch of other issues that just make it frustrating for long sessions. Well, yeah, and it's sealed around your, that's why I was asking. It's more, Quest Pro is more similar to like Galaxy XR because if you're not using the light seal, it's open. Right. Yeah, for Quest 3, I taped a bunch of microfiber cloths around my face. Cause I don't like the, Seeing the room light? No, like, I don't want MR. I want VR. Interesting. Right. Cool. All right. You want to pick one, David? Yeah. Glad we got the most boring topic out of the way for you. I don't know. I think there's one other one on here that might be more topic. Pink iPhone update. That's cool. Now we're talking. It's that one. Skate time, baby. Now we're talking. All right. Okay, this is really, it was a conspiracy theory at first, right? And then it kind of just surfaced a little bit more from one or two people doing this. I've got the timeline downline, if you want me to run through. Okay. What is the point I bet? So there was an update last week, but we didn't bring it up because it was for those who missed two weeks ago, there was a Reddit post about a guy whose orange iPhone 17 Pro Max looked like it was turning pink. And- Rose gold, as he would say. Rose gold. I don't know. I don't agree with that. Unfortunately, they did say Rose gold. Well, that person then made another post with a couple more pictures, mostly just replying that he was mad that no one believed him without providing much more context. So it was like, okay, this didn't feel like much of an update. Since then we've gotten a new TikTok video where somebody has the same issue. And another Reddit post where someone has the same issue where they're explaining a little better and also have video of it. And through all of that, just now we have three examples. Nine to five Mac decided to make an article about why it might be happening. There's still no, this is definitely why it happened, but we have the idea of why it might be happening. And some of these, I mean, it's pink. Your boy's real pink. It is- It's like hot pink. The drasticness of it is why I was like, I don't know if I fully believe this. I kind of want that. It's pretty cool. What happens to the blue one? That's what I also- Is it turned green? Well, here's the thing. Here's what nine to five things is happening. And if you wanted to test it, you could try. But basically potentially using cleaner that involves bleach or hydrogen peroxide is one of the things that Apple tells you not to do on cleaning material like this. Because of the anodization layer. Yes. Exactly what we predicted. Yeah, pretty much. It's not that much of an update, but this is potentially why it's happening. If we wanted to test it out, I guess we could try and turn this person. Why don't they have their phone with hydrogen peroxide? We don't know. They have not said that they did that. And I think it's hydrogen peroxide inside of the cleaner. It doesn't have to be straight hydrogen peroxide. I have a lot of that in mind. We should take more Kess's orange iPhone and divide it into four quadrants. And clean one of them with bleach, one of them with hydrogen peroxide. Marquez's iPhone is already nuts. He like put us, do you want to describe your current? I put an Area 51 D brand skin on it. And then I decided I didn't apply it very neatly. And I was like, I'll start over, I'll try again. And I tore it off. And halfway after, halfway through tearing it off. More than halfway. You're way more than half. 70% 78% into tearing it off. I thought it looked kind of cool like that. You just looked over from your desk and you were like, I think I like this. And I'm like, what, the orange phone? You're like, no, this like D brand look. And I'm like, yeah, but you're not done taking it off. And you're like, yeah. It looks like for audio listeners, like when Venom starts taking over and like half of his face has like the black red stuff. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I've taken, I've had this thought before. I've been taking skins off of things before. I thought it looks sick. And then I always just finished taking it off this time. I'm like, this is a look now. I have, this is a one of one skin. You better not take my skin off. That would be a one of one skin as well. So yeah, I'm sticking with that. Part of me wants to half dip an iPhone in like hydrogen peroxide and see if you can get like a half thing. I have a tiny at home if we want to do it. Yeah, Zach could do that. I have a ton of hydrogen peroxide. Somebody needs to try this, but yeah, that's kind of the update. It's not too much, but there's multiple videos now, which I do think helps solidify that maybe this isn't a prank. Sure, but also whenever I think about gates with iPhones or any phone, I just think about how realistic is this for the average person? Like when the iPhone 6 Plus started folding under not that much pressure, it was like theoretically someone could sit on it with their back pocket, somebody could accidentally bend their phone and that would actually be kind of a big deal. Or the iPhone was at the 4S or 5 antenna gate. Which one was that? That was the 4S. 4S, I think. Where if you hold the phone in a certain way, which some people really held that way, you'd cover the antennas. And you'd actually have worse signals. Those people are wrong. Those are real-ish gates because that could affect you with regular use. How many people are regularly cleaning their phone with like an alcohol-based solvent all the time to the point where their phones start changing colors? It's more specific than that. Yeah, hydrogen peroxide, like ultra industrial strength cleaner. Like I bet you could dip your orange iPhone in there and it would change colors, but is that a gate? Well, also really a thing? Cause we don't know what this guy did to get it to turn this way, but my question is if that is truly the reason we should see other things. Why was he wiping his phone with hydrogen peroxide or a similar chemical? So, I know that depends on what you buy. He could have been like not wiping his phone, but doing other things and his hands had like residue of hydrogen peroxide and then go back or like whatever he was using bleach. Can I throw one more wrench in all this for all the still conspiracy believers? Okay, the second Reddit post has 650 uploads, 379 comments. The person who posted responded a bunch, but for some reason when you click his profile, it says there doesn't seem to be anything here despite having 9,000 post karma, 2,000 comment karma, but no, it won't show any of his posts or comments or anything. Is that because he has a set to private or something? He has a set to private. I thought he would say private. I think I'll just bring in all my film development chemicals, we'll dip a bunch of phones, we'll have a gate and we'll create our own gate. We'll get all the clicks. You said it this time. Create. I like to put it next to the mic so you can hear the, it's the headlines in the hat. Yeah. For the audio listeners. The headlines they are in a hat. Apple. Perfect. Apple TV. Oh. Formula One. Oh. Very quick. Yeah, what happened? Okay, so Apple TV officially announced they are the exclusive partner of Formula One in the US for the next five years. Starting in 20 years. Five years. Six. Yep. This is like this thing where I think is usually like most people hate stuff like this and I totally agree. I hate exclusivity on like a platform that you might not give a damn about paying for to watch sports. To clarify, are you talking about Apple TV, the hardware, Apple TV, the app or Apple TV, the subscription service? The subscription service. Just the Apple TV. You can only watch it on the physical Apple TV. Yeah, sorry. The subscription service is now gonna be the only way you can watch Formula One in the US. Yeah. Starting next year. David was just making fun of their branding. No, no, no. Technically, the hardware is called the Apple TV 4K. The new one. Technic. I don't think, I think it's the only one they make right now. Thanks, Joss. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Wait, so they just bought the whole sport. It's your fault. Yeah, they bought the whole sport in the US. In the US. It makes total sense. The Formula One movie they made was great. It did really, really well. You know. Marquez said it was predictable. It was fine. It probably made a ton of money. Which is all they gave a damn about. So this makes a lot of sense. I still think exclusivity sucks. They are providing some coverage for free for everyone limited to select races and possible practice sessions which is hilarious because if you watch F1, FB1, FB2, FB3 are like three sessions that happen that. They mean nothing. Do pretty much nothing. I'm sure people enjoy watching it but it's usually like testing out balance and tires and stuff like that on the car. Don't watch it on YouTube. It means nothing to the actual standings. Yeah. Okay. So saying that some of that happened is like cool. You could get a bunch. And I'm just waiting for the like select race they do to be like Japan that happens at 2 a.m. in the US and nobody can watch it anyways. For anyone wondering, there used to be a subscription service called F1 TV which was a way you can get a ton of different angles and broadcasts and stuff like that. That will just be baked into the Apple TV subscription for next year, which is good news. Did they buy it? I don't know if it's just now the subscription service that was showing stuff like Sky Sports will be inside of. Cause wasn't a big part of the F1 app itself like that you can have your own configuration on what angles you wanted to watch. It's just different fees. Yeah, different fees, but you can like customize how you wanted it to look. I don't know exactly that, but weirdly, this works out great for me because right now I'm paying for cable for hockey and Formula One. That's all I care about and cable sucks and is expensive. Are you gonna cut the cable? I'm gonna cut cable next year. And I also have not watched a single Apple TV show or movie because I don't have it. And I've never liked that. So you're looking like that as like a new library. I'm looking at it as now I can cut cable, get an app for hockey and have Formula One on Apple TV and finally get to watch all of the things. This is the most niche benefit. This is boy-man, baby. Yeah, yeah. This is boy-man. This is boy-man. So it works great for me. I have a story. Yeah. Okay, this is related to you thing. When I was like 12, I borrowed this Transformer toy for my friend and then I lost it. And I decided to do boy-man. And I was like, well, you know what? This isn't such a big deal because I'll spend the money that I have on a new one to give to him. But if I find it, I get a new toy. And that's- Did you ever find it? I did. It was hanging. It was hanging on the side handle of the car. Oh! That's such a good story. That's a good toy story. You actually left it at a pizza joint and it was just trying to get back into the car. Optimus was like, I finally get it now. But it's the same thing. It's like, you wouldn't have Apple TV if you're like, actually, I have GLEC because now I can watch the Apple TV shows. It's just like how I spend $17 a month on LeagPASS and another $10 a month on YouTube, or I guess more like $2 a month on YouTube premium. So if I just spend $1800 on the Samsung XR, I can stop paying for that. I get one year of free YouTube premium. I was like, does that math out? Does that math out? No, not even close. Well, the one year of LeagPASS, one year of, let's say you cancel all these subscriptions because you're getting them for free now. You get a year of LeagPASS, you get a year of, what was it, YouTube premium? And Gemini Pro. And Gemini Pro. And three months of something for a dollar. And it could be nice. And Sleepapnia. This is the old white math, yeah. Remember that really cool like F1 Concept Vision Pro app that has like the track and everything? People are hoping that like that might be a really cool way of doing all of this inside there and that may be with exclusivity for five years. We could see something like that. Sounds awesome. You can't imagine wearing Vision Pro for an entire race. That sounds miserable. That's for the driver. Yeah. Races can be pretty long. They're pretty long, but that would be so sick. That would be the best vantage point. The one extremely niche thing that I can say is now that I've been to an F1 race, it's really hard to pick one vantage point. Like the broadcast is the best vantage point to watch a race. And if you're at the race, you can watch one corner basically. So if you can find a corner, but then you can also turn around and see a TV with the broadcast, then you can watch the race and watch the cars at the same time. There are some points in a race that have that. In the grandstands, they'll be like a TV, but like you really can go on some corners where you're just in like a field. But I think the ultimate vantage point is the Vision Pro concept, which is you can watch the broadcast and look down at a little mini map before all the cars are on the track at the same time. That's sick. I can't wait for the race where there's just like a group of 20 people in Vision Pro and like lawn chairs at one random corner off to the side of, yeah. Apple has been eating up all of these like niche sports broadcasts in the US. I can't wait to just call it a formula. Okay, thank you. What do you mean, baseball? Are you talking about baseball? Formula one than niche sports? Do they have a niche sport? Exclusive rights to the MLB? Yeah, they don't. Not exclusive. That's what I'm saying. Oh, no, yeah, I mean exclusive. Like MLS, you can only watch on Apple TV. What's MLS? Major League Soccer. He only watches Premier League. Well, Premier League is everywhere. There's no way they're gonna watch it. That's what David watches. But MLS is Apple. Now F1 is Apple. I think they're gonna eventually add NHL. That's the next biggest sport from the bottom up. It's not worth it. I love hockey, but it's not making enough money for Apple. They'll have to make an Apple TV NHL show. It's not for money. They're just trying to get the content so people will subscribe. That's actually true. They should get ultimate for it. I just wanna say back in the Vive days with HTC. HTC V. Okay, HTC partnered with Valve. And Valve is big on Steam stuff. And they made a VR Dota thing where you could watch live pro Dota games in VR. And you could like spin the map around and zoom in on things that were happening. It was super sick and it existed for like three months. I want that. That sounds cool. You guys have your niche sports. I need mine. Neesh sports. Just call esports niche Dota. Dota is not that niche. Dota just copied the religion. Nope. We're gonna riot. That's at least 20 comments. That's 20 free engagement points. We're gonna riot games. Okay. Oh God, they're all stuck together. Should this be, that was three so far? Four, we have 10 total. All right. I've got another topic, headline and a hat. Oh, shoot. Open AI, Atlas, the browser wars are so back. And by that, I mean another Chrome wrapper. Yeah, baby. No, it's actually, it's kind of interesting. Open AI drops Atlas, their browser this past week. I notably have been, how do I say, in the market for a new browser lately. Unfortunately, Arc is still the best browser. It is the best browser. Every time I say it, it sounds worse because it's even more and more out of date, but Arc is still the best browser. It is. But I'm giving all these new browsers a shot. And the reason I have all these browsers to give a shot is because all these browsers are adding AI sidebars and agentic AI features, et cetera, to them. One by one, Chrome does it. Perplexity's new browser, they have this stuff. DIA, they have this stuff along the side. And now, another one, chat GPT themselves. Open AI, they have their own browser. It's literally called chat GPT Atlas. So what did I do? I downloaded it. That's right. I installed it. That's right. It's macOS only. I set it up. So far. I know, unfortunately. They set out their platforms coming soon. So far. This company is worth trillion dollars. They want a trillion dollars and they can't. I know. Give them a second, guys. They're just working on the slot. They're a big, truly, yeah. They're scrolling app. Give them a second. But I try it. It's, I mean, I'd use DIA the most lately out of these browsers and it's the same thing. I haven't used the agentic features nearly as much. And to those who are that much in the weeds, this is probably a differentiator. I don't know, man. But just because chat GPT is like the biggest player in this market, next to what Chrome and Gemini, obviously, people are willing to hear it out. And so I'm giving it a shot and it's fine. Yeah. It's fine. It doesn't have sidebar features. It doesn't sync with any mobile app. There's only macOS. There are plenty of things missing from it. I don't think extensions even work yet, but it's built on Chromium. So theoretically that's coming soon. Browser wars are back. Yeah. It's just DIA. It's just DIA, which is just Chrome. Which is like the argument that DIA is just a browser with chat GPT inside. It's like both of them are just the other ones. It's the Spider-Man meme of just like flying at each other. Because DIA literally is just a chat GPT Chrome. And chat GPT Atlas is also... Do you wanna hear the psycho behavior that I've been using apps or browsers lately? When I'm like researching a video, I have, what's this called again? ARK. I have ARK. ARK's my main browser. Yeah, on the left. On the left. And I'm doing most work in ARK with the writing. Then on the right, I have an instance of DIA open. Which is where I'm like messing with the tools and researching and finding links and messing around there. And I always have a tab open with chat GPT if I ever wanna reference anything that I'd done in chat GPT before, I can always have that chat GPT tab open. Cause I can ask new queries of it, but I wanna find a history of it. Atlas is basically just that tab again. That's your browser. When you pull up the sidebar in Atlas, it's just your chat GPT history. And so it's just that tab, but expanded and now it's the whole browser. So now I'll have Atlas open on the right and ARK open on the left. And I was trying to main ARK or main Atlas. God, these are so hard to track. And I made it for like a day and a half and now I'm back on ARK. But it came out yesterday afternoon. Isn't it? Yeah. Okay. Doesn't ARK have a side-by-side thing? Couldn't you just do that in ARK? I can side-by-side, but I want to write full screen. Okay, sorry. Yeah, it's just a process. No, I get what you're saying. Cause like my ideal research setup as well is a Google Doc window on the left with an ARK. And then D on the right, because when I'm doing the research on the right window, all the messy tabs, I sometimes like to ask questions about the page and then double check it, which takes too much time. But it, you know, anyway. So now there's this, I see what they're doing. Okay. Like the reason they launched a browser is because these models get better, the more context they have about you. And Google automatically has all of the context possible about you with Chrome. They have all your Google accounts. They have everything you've ever searched, all this stuff. Your website you've ever gone to. Right. All the frequencies and the tendencies you have online. Yeah. So OpenAI thinks, oh, if we want to make this like true digital personal assistant that knows everything about you, it should know everything you've ever searched and blah, blah, blah. A roadblock that I ran into yesterday is that my brain is not wired to talk to the browser naturally, it's wired in SEO. So I like searched the name of a restaurant near me. It was like D on D, Greenpoint or whatever. But the problem, the thing about Atlas is that the search bar, the default search bar page is just chat GPT. So if you search it in SEO language, that's not natural language, it doesn't know what to do with that. And now we're facing the opposite problem that we used to have when we didn't, when the boomers didn't know how to Google things, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I've done that a lot. I'm the boomer. And chat GPT has a search function built in, but it's not quite just like Googling something. So often I'll just command T and just type three words because I'm just trying to Google something real quick and find a link. And when you do that in these browsers, it tries to do a search in the LLM for it. It just doesn't, it takes longer. It's not good, yeah, it's not good. So I'm rewiring a little bit too. The one really useful feature that I see from this is that you can ask it to pull up a tab that you don't remember what the website was just based on what it was. So you can say, can you pull up that page that I was looking at last week that had this on it and it will try to find through your search history and use the contextual information for your search history to bring that back up. That is probably the most useful thing that it has. Just built that into ARC. Dude. Okay, wait, I have three really quick things. Okay, one, God, I love Firefox. And I'm so glad I don't have to do what you morons are doing. You don't think it's next? You don't think Firefox is next? Two. It's coming for you. Is it not funny that both of you somehow have turned into a ARC on the left, or an idea on the right, and that the company makes both of them probably should have just thought about making them one singular thing? Three, the biggest winner of all of this is that same company who's just making what this open AI thing was, selling to a company who bought it for what, 700 million dollars? It was 610 million. The browser company was acquired right before all these... Oh, no. It gets better. The acquisition went through yesterday, which is the same day that ChatGVT Atlas came and released the thing that they just bought. And Proplexity Comment just went public, like it was invite only or whatever, and that also dropped yesterday. And also, Claude released a desktop app. A web desktop app, which they have a quick feature that if you double tap the cap-slock button, it turns on the voice input mode. Ooh. Yeah, that's interesting. I want that for everything. I like that idea. So it kinda just feel, yeah, Atlas, ChatGVT Atlas, but by the way, horrible name, but really good branding idea. Really good branding. Because Normie's know ChatGVT. They would not just know Atlas. They would not know Atlas, GBT. Really good branding, even though it's horrible branding. It's also good branding. Good logo too. It looks like the Telegram icon. I thought ChatGVT was terrible branding, but here we are. Everyone knows that everyone loves it. It is terrible branding, but it's so popular. That is just the signal end. It looks like the Telegram. Is this like the Telegram icon? Look, it feels to me like this was a bit rushed. I think they've been working on this for a very long time. The reports of them building a browser have been going on for like 11 months or so, is when these reports first dropped. But it still feels like they rushed this out because it doesn't have that many feet. It's just Dia with a couple extra little things. And then it tries to focus a lot on the agentic mode, which you still can't really convince me that anyone finds super useful. There's like a tiny, extremely vocal minority that loves the agentic part. But they are like at the bleeding edge. Yeah. Most people don't use it. It's a cool idea, but I don't know. I think that they were just worried that if Anthropic came out with like a Claude browser quicker, or if it's really probably Chrome that they're all scared of. Yeah. So it's gonna be interesting. I'm wondering how much market share this gains. Like they have such insane brand awareness. And if they were to put this in chat GPT and say download the chat GPT browser, I think this would pop off pretty quick. I've been trying to learn a lot of new things in the past few weeks. I'm trying to teach myself Blender. I'm trying to finally get my Python scripting together. Trying to like incorporate all these new skills in my life lately. And so I've been spending a lot of time on the internet, like learning these things, right? That's crazy. And I know I sound like a broken record. I know I say this once a week and I'm sorry for everyone that's tired of hearing me saying it. But I just cannot overstate how much Google ruined their own product with AI overview because I'm Googling things so much to like learn these things. 100% of the time the AI overview is wrong at this point. Like I never ever, ever get anything useful. And lately it's been so far away from being right. Like I don't know if mine is just poisoned by my search history or something. Like it's getting to the point where like if I need to Google as like a practicing, I've been building this like weather app that pulls weather data from an API. I'm talking my language. It's like constantly getting Fahrenheit and Celsius mixed up. Like I'll be like, what's wrong with this code? And it'll be like, huh, it'll be like, well, clearly it's 100 and it's 100 degrees Celsius today. And it's just like, what are you talking about? Like anyway, this is all to say, I, someone who doesn't normally reach for AI tools have literally just stopped Googling stuff. Like I'm just goes straight to Claude because I just, it's so, I waste so much time forgetting that the first thing I see is the AI overview. And I think we need to give Google credit for creating the need for AI browsers by literally ruining their own product so hard. And again, I know I say this every week, but I just think I've never seen a company release something so bad in my entire life as AI overview. Have you heard of humane? This is so much worse than they've been. It's so much worse. HP humane pin. Yeah. You know what's funny about that is that Google used to be good, right? Back in the day. It was good like last year. It was better. Yes. It was better. Over time, as they realized that they needed to make more and more ad dollars because of its notification, it just got more and more and more bloated with like worse results, sponsored posts, all these ads, all this stuff. Right now, in the, you know, LLM era, we are in this nice little perfect little box where you can talk to it and there's no ads and it just gives you the clean information. It's probably wrong, but it gives you the clean information. We will get to the point where it is just Google, but in natural language, but it would also be just as bad because it's going to have sponsored results. It's going to have ads everywhere. It's going to get worse. Just remember that when you go to sleep. I would even take ads if it meant that it was right 10% more time of the time. You know, like 100% of the time I take a coding answer from AI overview, it's wrong. 100% of the time it has anything to do with actual information. It is wrong. Can you not turn that off? No, you can't turn off AI overview. You can press a button every single time you go to Google and use the web. Or you can download a Chrome extension that like blocks it from showing it. Like there's a bunch of ways I don't use Chrome. So maybe that's why. Maybe if I used Chrome AI overview. Use Chromium. I use Safari. Oh, WebKit. The best browser. Speaking really quickly, this is a slightly off topic. I just wanted to say really quickly. I was on Amazon yesterday, bought a product. It said, people also bought and it listed three products. Two of the three products, it said sponsored. So it was like, so people didn't bought. Yeah, they bought that spot to put their products in. It's like, you can't save people also bought and then say, Amazon can do it. We're just shoving these. I was like, what? Yes. There are no rules on Amazon. Yeah, that's fair. Shovelware. All right, well. Let's do one more. Yeah. Because we can go five, three, two. I've also never said thank you to Sam Altman before. I never will. Because I don't normally have a reason to, but thank you for dropping that on a Tuesday. Oh, I'm sure. So we can actually talk about it. True. Okay. Liquid ass, tint, iOS 26. This is a beta feature. Yes. So this is very funny. And I destroyed my phone for this. So you guys better be grateful. But in iOS beta 26.1, developer beta four, developer beta four, they have added an option to tint the liquid glass. And it's not even very inaccessibility settings. This is a mainline setting. Some mainline. Display setting. Display. Liquid glass tint. Liquid glass tint. So there's clear, which is what we've always had. The deep, well, it's not what we always had because what we had before was even more clear. This is slightly more opaque. Now we have a tinted mode, which is almost completely back to iOS. It's just flat frosted. 18 or whatever it was. Yeah. There is like a 5% opacity. White at 90% opacity. Like 90% total opacity. You can barely see a little bit from behind. There is a little bit. So I'm sticking with clear for now because I sort of like the effects. My question is, is this for accessibility and the people who are complaining about not being able to read, or is it for the battery life because I know that they were having trouble with the occlusion and the rendering? That's a good question, actually. But I'm also wondering when you set up a new iPhone, once they actually ship this, will it ask you if you want clear or tinted when you set up the phone? That I think that's really interesting. That's gonna be interesting as well. That should be a question you get asked in the setup process. I agree, but I don't think they will do that. I also agree with that. It's just funny, because if they're giving you the option to use tinted, I mean, I'm glad to have more options. Don't get me wrong, right? But they're just basic, their whole shazam at that show was like, wow, this is our new thing. And now they're just like, I kind of wonder if that's a battery thing. I hadn't considered that until you said that, but the glass and all the rendering, all the effects and everything, having a pretty serious effect on battery life, maybe on especially older phones with smaller batteries. If this is going to, someone should do the test. I think it was pretty much confirmed that that was really causing, well, no, not changing this, but previously in the first liquid glass beta, you guys were getting batteries tanked. Which I believe, but it was just harder to attribute to specifically just this effect, because the beta had so many new things. Now it's just one, now that it's one toggle, and I can go full on liquid glass everywhere, or I'm trying to say, sorry. Now that it's just one toggle, someone should have two phones, one has a toggle clear, one has a toggle tinted, and see what sort of a difference. That's a free short idea for someone to make. How much of a difference does this make to battery? We could do that. My conspiracy theory? Here's why I don't do that. I'll actually tell you why I do not. I don't do most benchmark battery tests, because I don't believe that, I mean, they're decently useful, but I don't believe any of them will inherently be able to tell me what my battery experience will be like. I can look at, like obviously, I have a pretty good sense now from using phones for a long time, for a couple of days, like this is going really well, this is going really poorly, how good is the battery? But certain chips and certain softwares and certain OSs, they all handle things so differently. If you just do video playback, your winner will be the one that optimizes the best for video playback. If you just do benchmarking until the phone dies, yours will be the one that draws the least power at max load. If you just do, like using a phone like regularly, I've noticed a lot of OnePlus phones that even though they don't have the best battery, they're very aggressive with killing background tasks, so they don't have the biggest batteries, but they last forever because they're constantly killing background tasks. I don't see any single battery benchmark that can account for all of my usage of a phone, so I don't do battery benchmarks. But someone should do this one for this one feature. But it's not gonna be me. You can do that now if you want. That was sort of a big deal. Liquid glass. You can also do it on Mac, which is interesting. That's what I'm excited for. Oh, is that also on the beta? I kind of like the clearness on the Mac though. Yeah, me too. Although, I don't like the top bar being clear now. I love it. You don't like that? Not as much. Change your wallpaper, change your life. Well, I do, but look at this top bit of my wallpaper, how it cuts through the text. Before it was obscured, anyway. I'm realizing I need to upgrade my app. You're just looking at both of you guys. Get on Tahoe. No, you don't need to get on Tahoe. It's not actually that different, but. Okay. Anyway, we should take a quick break. We got a bunch more headlines in this hat that we should get to, before we get to that trivia time. Trivia, trivia do, trivia do. Guys, coming up, we have a story about this week's, last week's, this week's, I don't remember when it was. One of the weeks. The AWS outage. Oh yeah, that was last week. So today's week, first week? Oh, Sunday night, so is this week. That was this week. Yeah, this week. Fun fact, sometimes when I am walking through Lower Manhattan and I walk by a pickleball court that has people between the ages of 28 and 38 playing pickleball on it. That exists. I will look at my phone. You should have 28 to 88. No, no, no. And they look techy. I will look at my phone and just say really loudly, oh my God, AWS is down. They will always stop playing pickleball and freak out. Every time. So good. But guys, in related, today's question I lied. It's actually not about AWS or my story. It is about Spider-Man. What is the name of the alien species referenced by Andrew when he compared Marquesa's D-branded patina to Venom from Spider-Man three? Oh, there's an actual name. What is the name of the alien species that Venom is a part of? And I will accept the common name or the deep nerd name. And if you can get both, I guess that's two points. Do you even know what it is? I don't watch kids movies. He said it. He said it. He said it. Quality rage bait. We're gonna get plenty of comments. Well played. Well, I definitely don't know the answer, but we'll see if maybe David knows it at the end. Well, I guess you didn't see the wild robot then. David, no! We'll be right back. Hey. Support for the show comes from Shopify. So the early days of starting a business are equal parts, exciting and terrifying. 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That means gas prices up. That means other prices will go up. Trump's supposed to be focusing on affordability. His party has a midterm election to try to win. He talked to Republican lawmakers yesterday. So our message is simple. Democrats created the high prices and our policies are totally ending them and they're ending and we're doing better. We're even bringing them down further. Self-evidently untrue. Will the economic fallout of the war in Iran catch up with Trump? Today Explained drops every weekday. All right, welcome back. We have more headlines and we still have the hat. So, Andrew. Not bad. I expected disaster. All right, what do we got here? For all you listeners, Marquez was wearing the hat. Took it off without dropping any of the papers. I was very impressed by it. What I wasn't impressed by was the AWS outage that took out much of the internet this week. Oh, called it, let's go. That was fun. How long did that last? It was like almost a full day. Wow. It was the evening of Sunday into like Monday afternoon. I remember the next morning listening to like the NPR morning news or whatever, where they just kind of talk about the biggest stories and they were like, all bunch of sites were down yesterday with AWS. And it made us really think about how many sites depend on AWS. I was like, don't we have this conversation every six months when AWS goes down for three hours? We all go, wow. Well, the irony was that YouTube had gone down like two days prior. That's what I was remembering. I was like, I don't remember, here's the funny thing. I noticed the YouTube outage way more than AWS outage because I was trying to watch, I was actively about to watch YouTube stuff and it didn't work. The AWS stuff took down, here's what I did notice. When I woke up, my eight sleep showed that I had slept for three hours. And I was like, that's kind of weird. It's missing the first half of my sleep. And then I log on and it says AWS outage has kept people's smart beds from being able to recline. That's the best part about it. The decline. There is a version of this bed that has like a motor thing that like inclines and declines. And obviously it can heat or cool. And if it's not working, if AWS is out, the app doesn't work. And so people had, they're stuck in whatever temperature or incline setting that they had last had it on. And I'm glad that didn't happen. So I have a funny story related to that. So you guys were all talking in Slack about how your eight sleeps like didn't track that night. And I was like, huh, well, I wonder if my eight sleeps still down. So if you hit the side, if you like slap the side of the bed four times, someone appears in the mirror, I'm just kidding. Well, AWS was down so he couldn't. Jeff Bates appears in the mirror. Paul Merluck. Your bed inclines or reclines into like bed, into reading mode, because I use the reading mode fairly frequently. Gotcha. To read, which is crazy. So I slapped it, you know, and then nothing happened. I was like, oh, it must be down. So I like went online and it was like, everyone's like, oh, it's back up. And I was like, what's wrong? And then I realized it was unplugged. So you guys had server outages. I just didn't plug my power outage. Local outage. Skill issue. Skill issue. Yeah, so I wanted to use this outage as like little game to talk about how did you guys first notice that the internet was down? Is it Slack? I think someone mentioned on Slack. And then I have a Discord server with a bunch of my friends and they're all software engineers. And that chat just popped off because none of them had anything to do with it. And I was like, all right, you guys are on it. There was a funny thing where it said that people that were in Slack huddles could not leave the huddle. That's my worst nightmare. And that's just so. Andrew, your mic's on. Andrew, your mic's on. Andrew, you're still on. That's it for me, okay. See you guys next week. Wait, wait. You guys can do it. Just watch me work for the rest of the day. Apparently a bunch of, what was it? AI stuff was on, or no. I don't know. I just kind of listened to the NPR story. And I was like, wow, that is a lot of new stuff that is all on AWS. Yeah. AWS is like the backbone of a lot of these. We lost frame. Oh, right. Frame, yes. I was trying to put something on frame and frame.io was just just just crapping out. Having, it's clutching its pearls. I had no idea what to do. I remember I woke up at four in the morning cause I've been having insomnia. And just so you know, a little bit about my backstory. Comment what they should do to help him sleep. Plug in a sleep. Have you tried reading? Plug in a sleep, maybe. Yeah. So I tried to go and read it cause that's what I do when I can't sleep. Yeah, it's worse for me. It's not good for me. I'm just gonna let that one go. I know. Anyway, it said, it kept saying, Oh no, no, no, no. That's on the app. Sorry, I'll let you go. So I don't even have the app. Okay. And I was on the browser and it kept saying rate limit reached. Yes. Yeah. I was trying to respond to things and it was like, yeah, saying something. Rate limit reached. And I was like, I thought that this was only a thing that happened if you had a third party Reddit app but I'm using the browser. So what's going on? And then I found out, oh, like Reddit's like down. I found out because in the app, the way their refresh loading symbol is, it's an orange circle with the Reddit snoo, like running in his feet are going really fast except since it wouldn't load, it just went down and it's just like, ha, ha, ha. And would just do it for like a minute straight of just like running and running and running. Oh wow. Like wow, what the hell? But I just assumed it's cause Reddit sucks. Yeah. Other things that went down are the McDonald's app, Fortnite, Canva Snapchat. That killed Ellis' whole weekend. McDonald's and Fortnite. Eat fish filets and view Canva. I don't know. Did you see the funniest one that went down? What? That, I really hope I have the backend details of this, right? I was like trying to research it and there wasn't a lot of great reporting but I'm pretty sure the board eight Yacht Club images are hosted on AWS. So everyone who owned those NFTs could not view their little monkeys. Oh yeah, love it. Love it, sad. Wow. Anyway, yeah, Amazon said that the issue was related to the domain name system. They did not specify how or why. But if you wanna learn more about the domain name system, we have a full two part mini series called I Can and the Seven Keys in the Internet and The Secret History of the Internet. We drove for seven hours to make that and all slept in one hotel room. That's true. I just wanna say, I feel like when, obviously when AWS goes down, like a whole section of the internet, like all these people can all gather together and be like, wow, look at how frustrating this is. When YouTube goes down, I feel like it happens once every two or three years and they used to have actually, when it really went down, it would just be like the monkeys are trying to fix things, page or whatever and that would go viral. But when YouTube goes down, I feel like all of society collectively goes, huh, what do I, I do now. At least for me, I don't use Netflix, I don't use a whole bunch of other stuff, so what I'm trying to watch a YouTube video and the specific way that it went down was the homepage would load, thumbnails would load. I would click the video, the page, the player and all the related thumbnails would load, but the browser, the video would just never load. And so I was like, I was in the zone of I want to watch this video so I couldn't watch this video. I feel like it's like playing Wi-Fi. It was like, what are the thumbnails? Terrible Wi-Fi, it was like being on United Flight. Anyway, it was very, it's very funny because like a week and a half ago, so my friend Mark was going to go on that subway takes thing. So I said, what's your take? And he said, I don't know if I could say this, but we have to take out the data centers to just restart society. And I was like, yeah, that's a good one. And then the next week, I was like, did Mark do something? Did he set this up? Now that the internet is back up, because you're watching this, I guess we have other things to worry about. Hopefully that's two days from now. Was it me? I thought it was Mark as I went last. You just pulled AWS, right? Yeah, but we're not going, we're going at a Marquez David Andrew order. We're clockwise. Oh, we're clockwise. Not snaking, got it. There's more of just me offering it to both of you before me and then now that's. I don't know anything about this. Yes, this is my, I think this is the coolest thing we're going to talk about today. Oh, I love this. All right, story about the, do you want to take it or not? You'll have to explain. It's up to you. Let me just read what it says. Okay. Color, yes. E-ink. Yes. Flames. Frames. Frames. You wrote flames. I did not. That's an R. That's an R. You sure about that? What do you think that is? Color E-ink frames. Color E-ink frames. It would be pretty cool. Color E-ink frames. And someone explain this to me. Yes. I'll go. I'll go and you join in. I'll join in later. Yeah, but in, okay. So Aura, which disclaimer has sponsored the podcast before. So take everything we say with a grain of salt, but. They just released their new color E-ink wireless photo frame. Previously they've done the photo frames where you get an app, it plugs in and it can rotate images. Color E-ink wireless photo frame. So it has a built in battery. Yes. So. So it can die. No, but it's E-ink. Yes, hold on. So it is. But it's color. It's color. So? The colors dude. The colors. It's all static state. Okay. I'll do the specs first. 13.3 inch panel. It is 11.5 by 14. So this is like a pretty good size frame. It's pretty big. Yeah. The battery life should be approximately three months on a full charge. Also the charging port is on the outside of the frame with a 10 foot cable. So you can charge it while without even taking it off the wall. I think that's cool. It's cool. Because it is using the new Spectra 6 display technology. And because of all of that, because of the less power draw, this is the first time they could go wireless because an LCD obviously takes so much more power. They can't do it where now we're at E-ink. It's taking way less to be able to show these photos. In fact, it's so dim. They actually needed to add a little tiny front light inside of the matte of the frame. But Alison Johnson from The Verge did an article on this which everyone should go read if they're interested. But she said she like didn't even notice it at first. And also that light will turn off once ambient light is off at night. I just got signed out of my Google Doc for some reason. Is AWS down? I have some questions about this. Do you want to use some thoughts as well? So I'll just preface this by saying I'm not a big a photo frame person yet. Maybe I will be soon, right? But I'm pretty sure. So who doesn't use photo frames? Is there any advantage to it not just being plugged in all the time? Like why would you ever unplug it? Because then you have a big wire. You have a wire. You hang it on the wall or something. If you hang up a regular photo, you don't have to plug it in. It's art. I guess I pictured a photo framing on a desk. You're like hanging on the wall. Yeah. Okay. So right now my RF frame, which I love, I have one of them, I have bought them as gifts before. If you are somebody with children and want to give a gift to the grandparents of those children, it is like the easiest gift in the world. But like mine's on my desk now because of the wire. The one I have like at home is on a table because of the wire. I can hide the wire. You just don't want a wire hanging up your wall. Yeah. Okay. And because I've seen a bunch of smart, like the Google home can be a photo frame in the same way. Like you set a Google photos album to always be displayed on it. And it's always next to the wall because it's plugged in. So that's kind of how I picture photo frames. But okay, you can hang it. The other thing is how good does this look? How good is colored ink look versus like a normal, even an OLED maybe if it's like a super premium. So that is the question. I have been lusting over ink picture frames for many, many, many years. Every year I would go to CES and it would be like, we put Alexa in your fridge and I'd be like, no. And then I'd go over to the eating section. I'd be like, yeah. And they used to show these prototypes of both things like this, which they had, they actually had big prints like that. So the cool thing about this is because it's ink, right? It is actual ink. So it looks just like it's on actual paper and actual canvas. The big seller of the Samsung frame TV is that they have a special like matte layer on it. They have the borders around it. They have the light box, the matte box. It makes it look fairly realistic. And I think the frame TV Pro has like a matte option that can make it even more realistic looking. But if you want like real, real looking art that actually has depth and dimension and like texture, you gotta use ink, right? So I've been lusting after a big thing where I can just like rotate my film work around forever. And so now this coming out is great. But didn't Alison say that the resolution didn't look amazing? So she said there's a couple of different things. Some colors might look a little off. She said like blues looked really nice and pictures with good contrast looked better on it. And I think she said like some paler faces might have like a little bit of a green tint to them. But she said resolution wise, if you were right up there pixel peaking, you can definitely see all the different dots that it is creating. But from far away or just like on the wall as you're walking by it, she said books. Totally fine. The interesting thing about this in one way it saves battery is normal or a frames like when you have it, a lot of them are rotating every five or 10 minutes depending what you set on. What this does is it by default only does one picture per day and actually changes the picture at night because of the way it needs to like- Change all of the different specific dots. Modules. Yeah, yeah. She said it takes about 30 seconds before it'll stop flickering a little bit because it's doing like the lowest power draw version of a switch. Exactly. So like it'll just do it every day. So then every day you wake up and you just have a new photo on your wall, which I think is awesome. This is the books Palma too. Yeah, books. When you turn on, it does this flash thing and then you can like reset the screen. It has to flash in and out. So when these are setting, it does the same thing where it flashes and then it slowly sort of like magnetically moves the modules like in front and in that area. I can see the color not being amazing because they probably only have- Six colors? Because they use individual little like ink bead things. And yeah, if you only have six colors, obviously you're not gonna be able to recreate like rec 2020 or something like that. Sure. With billions of color options. Can't you recreate all the colors with three colors? Well, that's- Or four colors? Yeah, that's dependent on luminance. I'm not talking about CMYK, son. Yeah, but you still need like different levels of like luminance and saturation and that kind of stuff. These are just finite colors. They can't change luminance. They can't change saturation. It's not like actual ink where you can make more or less ink. It's either there's cyan on, cyan off, magenta on magenta on. Exactly. And the different mixes when you're standing far enough away look like vaguely like other colors. You are. But you need different luminances and saturation values to actually do that well, which is probably why people's skin tones have a little more green in them because our skin tones actually do have green in them. You just, we don't really see that as much because there's other colors mixed in. Can I be the grumpy boomer here? So, if you want. When you wanna get roasted by the E-ing community. Why would I want this in my frame on the wall? Like I get it. Why not? I get it because it's something else that I have to charge. That's so annoying. Every three months. Yeah, but okay. Sorry, I charged my doorbell. I was gonna say, I was gonna say, my doorbell. I thought the doorbell was gonna be so annoying. Why would you ever wanna charge it? It's so easy. I'm not saying it's hard. I'm just saying it's another thing that takes up mental space that I have to think about. Like my Garmin watch lasts a month, but when I have to charge it, it's still like, ugh. Here we go. Also, if it sends me a notification that like frame is low, charge it. In the next like three days, chances are, especially if you don't even need to unplug it. If there's an outlet within 10 feet, just when you go to bed, plug the outlet in and toss it in and then take it out in the morning. Can you not just like set one photo and if you don't rotate it every day, it has unlimited battery life? It's not gonna last forever. It'll eventually die. Probably not. It still has the light though. But it's still static state. That needs to, it has a light. The light, yeah. It's probably internet connected to just stay available. Yeah, okay. Like to me, the draw of this thing is something like the one that you have on your desk, because that is perfect. You plug it in, you forget about it and you ignore it forever. Even though it's every three months. Unless AWS goes down. Unless AWS goes down. I wouldn't be surprised if mine went off. But after the, or didn't rotate, sorry. Still needing to think about this is too annoying. That's my take. This is like, yeah. This is an awesome step. I would just leave it plugged in the whole time. I would just leave it plugged in the whole time. That's what I'm saying. I would never unplug it. I would just never unplug this. Now you just get the option to be if you're someone who's not a grumpy old boomer like Adam, then you get to hang it on your wall without a wire. I would leave it plugged in forever. And then when I have company over, I would unplug it. And it would be super cool. That's fair. That's totally fair. And then as soon as they left, I'd plug it back in. I do think we unfortunately have to move on from smart picture frames. I love this topic. I didn't realize how long we would talk about this. I love this topic, but we are more boomer than probably our audiences. I love, this is my favorite thing of the week. It's great. This is what tech is all about. That's right. This is like gadget that I don't feel bad in buying. Can we tell the next one has an LLM bottom? Yeah, the next one is like new TikTok integrated gun ship sale. That's a lot. That's a lot. 3,000. I think it's the answer. Yeah. That is real. Okay. We'll do this one and then another ad break. Not too different from that. Vision Pro strap plus M5. Hey, okay, I can do this one. Huge update this week in Apple land. You can watch my Twitter video or the first 30 seconds of the video I made about this to understand where M5 dropped. Cause it didn't drop everywhere. You might expect everything with M4 got M5. No. Only iPad Pro, which had M4 now has M5. And M4 MacBook Pro has M5. And Vision Pro, which had M2 is now M5. The other two devices kind of just got that spec bump and that was it. The Vision Pro got a little bit more than just the new chip. It's been a little longer, almost two years actually since the original Vision Pro dropped. Had M2. It had M2. And so what you get is the spec bump, which enables a slightly larger area of foveated rendering, 10% more rendered pixels, a slightly longer battery life, three hours of video playback instead of two. Isn't it 2.5 instead of two? I think it's three instead of 2.5. Correct, it might be somewhere in there. It's not a dramatic difference. And I think things like ray tracing and general fidelity being slightly higher. Great, M5 enables that. But the actually more important thing is just the new strap, the $99 dual band strap, which you can also buy for your original Vision Pro. But it is counterweighted. It has tungsten weights in the back. And so you put it on and it actually has a little bit more weight on the back of your head and on the top. So it takes the weight off of the bridge of your nose and it just holds it in a more comfortable way. Significantly better. It's more comfortable than any of the other brands they've had and it's better looking than the other dual strap band they had. So that's the Vision Pro update. That's kind of it. I mean, most of the updates with Vision Pro that are significant are the software. Vision OS 26 has like the new personas, which are higher resolution and better looking and more realistic and all the pinnable widgets all over the place and all the other stuff for Apple intelligence, finally starting to show up with writing tools. Yeah. I think there's one, if you were doing what Ellis is doing and using the Mac mirroring, there's one new big ultra wide monitor. So there's like standard wide and ultra wide. The ultra wide looks crazy. Why can't they just give us two? I don't know. I think that might be a power limitation. I mean, it's still a lot of pixels, but yeah, it looks really good. I just put a little cut. I was messing with this one. Honestly, that's probably the same exact thing. Just cut it in half. Yeah, the fact that they did not drop M5, I don't even, you know, I get that why they didn't drop M5 Pro and M5 Max yet, but a friend of mine hit me up. Just, he just got a new job and he was like, oh, my job is giving me a quota to buy a new laptop. What should I get? I was thinking of getting an M5, but I kind of wanted a MacBook Air. And I was like, yeah, why didn't they put this in the MacBook Air? Yeah, there's still a bunch of places that have M4, like MacBook Air, Mac mini and iMac, and iPad Air that have base chips that they didn't do M5 in. Yet. Yet. They presumably will. I just don't know why they were unable to do the whole refresh across the board. And not only was it only the base MacBook Pro, but it was the only 14 inch. Well, cause the 14 inch is the only one that you could get the base chip in. The 16 inches only ship with Pro or Max chips. So if you want a base chip MacBook Pro, you have to get a 14 inch and now you can get an M5 instead of M4. It's just weird that they didn't put it in the air. Unless they're planning like a big hardware update for the Air, which I doubt they're doing cause they just did that. Hard to say. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, there's a world where like people were not yet going to buy an iMac because they were waiting for the M5 iMac and now the M5 chip is out and there's still no M5 iMac. Now what? Do you just get the M4 now? And are we still on like M2 Ultra for the Ultra chip? Oh, the Ultra chips M3 Ultra is the biggest one. And that's in the Mac Studio. My Mac Pro is on M2 Ultra. Yeah. So now we have M5 out. I'm like, hmm, yeah. I did want to know everyone was memeing the fact that this is heavier online because of the counterweights. Yeah, I'm just trying to find the exact extra weight but it's like 150 grams more, which is, it seems like a lot and it is a lot, but the fact that it is in the back headband on the new strap actually makes it better weighted on your face and when you're wearing it for longer, it doesn't put nearly as much pressure on the bridge of your nose. So yes, I agree. It is very funny that it was way too heavy and now it's even heavier, but in a good way. Yeah, so just to clear that up for people. So you know how earlier in this episode you were saying, like, I don't know if Samsung really wants to commit that much of a team to like fighting the Vision Pro because it seems like they've realized it's not doing that well. Yeah. That's how I feel about this Vision Pro. Yeah. Like we had so many thoughts and initial impressions when the Vision Pro came out as a new form factor. It was all this interesting stuff on this crazy expensive bleeding edge device. And so the second generation theoretically should tell us the most about what they learned, the direction they're going and like what this thing is really about to become. Yeah. And we get this refresh and your eyes were getting hot and the first one still gets hot. All of the vents are in the same places. The chip still gets hot. It still has the R1, still has the M chip. It's still heavy. They didn't shave a single gram of aluminum out of there. It still has the glass. It still has the same eyesight on the front. They didn't make any like directional change with Vision Pro. They just showed up and went, okay, the strap's done. Anything else we want to do with the Vision Pro itself? Nah. New chip? It's all set in there. Yeah. All right, yeah. Should render a few more pixels, ship it. Like I didn't see any commitment to a direction if that makes sense. So I got the same feeling that Apple was like, oh, this isn't really doing anything. And plus all those articles we've seen about, you know, maybe them doing a Vision Air and then realizing that's not the direction they want to go either and shifting the glasses. Yeah. I totally believe that. I have no way to prove that, but I've seen the reporting and it just feels like this Vision Pro is like the last update we'll see for a while. Yeah, part of it to me feels like they just needed to make more M5 chips to get the per unit cost down. Thusted in the Mac mini. Or the MacBook Air, the most popular laptop. Yeah, I don't know. It's strange. It is very strange. The video's out. If you want to watch it, it is a whole bunch of my musings about smart watch. Smart displays, smart headset, smart. You're doing great for me. Smart face, smart face computers. Glasses. Sick. Let's et cetera. Speaking of trivia. We were. Did you guys know that there's a Star Trek villain named M5? Really? Yeah, and it's a computer. Pretty good episode. Season two, episode 24. Nice. Should watch it. Of Next Generation. I had to Google the episode. I did not know the episode. Star Trek is one of the few shows I have watched. Shut up. How much of it? Which one? Next Generation. What do you mean you don't know? Well, I didn't watch it in any order. I just sat down. There's like 10 different Star Trek shows. There's like. Whatever was actually playing reruns on TV a decade ago, that's what I've watched. Probably Next Generation. Marques is the only one. Was the guy bald or was he? Lowered next. There was a spot in there. So it sounds like you watched the original Trek. That's Star Wars. Classic. Star Trek. That's my favorite. That's Digimon. That's Digimon. Bulbasaur? After the break, we will be talking about space. Specifically Starlink. The final frontier. The final frontier. Specifically Starlink. So here's the question. In which layer of the atmosphere do Starlink satellites satellite? I know this. I have a guess. I will accept two answers. Oh. The actual layer and the general phrase. The upper X. Not that bad. I only know so many layer names. The fifth floor. I have to go with one of the ones I remember. Okay. Yeah. Well, we will think about that. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. AWS AI is how industry leaders are transforming how we learn, live, and solve tomorrow's challenges. Take Phillips. Using AI to turn millions of medical scans into answers. Faster. Hear that? That's the sound of car manufacturers using AI to shift production up a gear. And how gaming worlds level up as you play. Across industries worldwide, AWS AI is how innovation happens every day. All right, welcome back. We have two headlines left in this hat. Do you remember who Zerner was? I think David went last with Vision Pro. Right? I went last with Vision Pro. Okay, yes. So there you go. Yeah. Take the second to last headline. What happened this week? Oh, this is a very long thing. So I wrote 15 pixel superfans get to beta test new phones. Oh yeah. 15% of my diet. 15% of my beta fans get to test pixel ones. Yeah, do you know about this? I do not. I saw this headline. All right, so Google is letting 15 pixel superfans beta test new pixel devices while still in development. At first, this was a rumor that popped up, but then there was confirmation that it was actually happening. So effectively what this is, is that a bunch of people got to apply if you were a superfan, which is basically Google's way of saying you're loyal, you will not stray from your loyalty. 100% loyal to Apple. Kiss the ring. Kiss the ring. Yeah, if you're in their superfans program, you could apply to be one of these people that get to test phones early. But you also have to apply to that program. Yeah. Which I tried to do when this article came out and one of the check boxes is, are you a member of the press, AKA blogs or podcasts? And I was like, damn it. Got me. Oh, they don't let you do that if you're part of the press? I mean, I don't know if that's a pro or a con, but the fact that I need to say that I'm a part of tech media. That's definitely one of those Google docs where as soon as you check that box, they just go, all right, never mind. Yeah. Basically you could apply for this, and then if you were selected, you would have to sign an NDA not to talk about the device. You have to agree to put the phones in these protective cases to hide their designs. And submissions are going to be based on depth of knowledge and passion for Google devices and software. Okay. Can I ask something? Yeah. What is the point of this? Wait, I hope, can I counter it? Loyalty. I see the point of it. What's the point? Assuming the NDA is you also can't really talk about it afterwards, then this is just making sure it is people who really do like pixels and probably go through the settings, getting to test software and potentially find bugs before it comes out. They're not reporting on it. So we don't have to worry about, they're not allowed to talk about it. We don't have to worry about biasness in a report from them. But they just, this is the kind of the outsourcing their QA testing. Yeah, no, no. The point is they're getting free, free QA testing. A free 15 enthusiasts to help bug test. Essentially. I mean, how many times do things come out where like this thing works perfectly and then we peel the screen protector off the first fold and it's like, maybe if you threw that to one normal person, not fair, like they would have seen that. Cause I guess I hear that there's an NDA and they can't talk about it. So I'm like, okay, this isn't press. And then what was the other thing? They have to be in a protective case that includes the design. So they can't promote it. And even if they did, there already is Pixel Superfans that they were going to anyway. So that wouldn't have been unique. And also as a Pixel Superfan, really going to critique anything. So really it's just bug testing. That's the question. I guess, yeah, are you going to be like, this is perfect. I don't want to say anything bad or cause you're in a private thing. You're probably going to want to. Be productive. You're going to want to prove that you are worth being part of this thing. I'm assuming if you applied to be a Superfan, you probably will go pretty deep into it. So yeah, this is like intern labor. Yeah. Yeah. It will be funny when one of these leaks. Oh yeah, 100%. I can't wait. I know that, you know. Pixel's never. Don't be silly. It's only 15 people. So the chances are lower, but I am also basically guaranteeing that one of these people will really want the 15 minutes of fame. I want to know if they can talk about it. It'll be really funny. After the levels. They probably can because then they would be able to say, I got to have a say in the design and the development of this Pixel being a Superfan. Yeah. But then can you not apply next time because now you're a part of the press? Yeah, you're an influencer. Checkmate Superfan. Checkmate Superfans. And Ryder too. I think this is good. I think it's a fan. On one hand, I understand Google wants to know what their core audience likes and doesn't like about the software, about the hardware. So you hire a meter. Some meter. They already did that. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like they would probably use this as an opportunity to test completely different devices, not just software. Yeah. It's gonna be the new phones. The new hardware. And I mean like different, crazy different designs and see like which one speaks to the core Pixel user more. Like this one with the square camera bump or this one sticking with the visor. If what if we put the camera over here? You know, like. But if they have to use it in a protective disguise in case they can't really evaluate that. Well, at least when they're out in public. Yeah. Then you just take it off. Yeah, Google's design chief Ivy Ross had said that the company is looking to mix up the design of the Pixel every two to three years. So considering the Pixel nine and Pixel 10 are the same phone, we will probably be seeing something relatively new next year, possibly maybe. As soon as one of these comes out. Do you guys? I think it's gonna leak. I think this is really good. Do you guys know the computer guy joke a QA engineer walks into a bar? Have you heard this? I don't know about that. I think you told me this one. Yeah. Computer science engineer, computer guy, walks into a bar and orders a beer. And then they order six beers and then they order negative one beers. And then they order 10 million beers. And then they order null beers. And then a normal person walks into a bar and asks where the bathroom is and the bar explodes. Yeah. And that's exactly why I think it's good that they're giving it to random people who are just super fans. Yeah. I know. I didn't get that joke at all. It's because you can, you can test all the different things of something, but you can never predict what random thing an actual user is gonna do. That will just break your product. Like ordering null beers is fine. Well, that's, I think 15 is like, cool doesn't make sense, but. I was kind of bummed that didn't get a huge laugh. Maybe the audience is laughing. I think I might have heard it before, but that is very much a plus. If you thought it was funny type, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha in the comments. Yeah. Yeah. With a time stamp, Ellis's joke really got me. And he also funny email podcast at fkphd.com. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. CC Adam. Okay. Well, we got one more headline. What am I? Who's was it? You just went, oh, you know, it's my turn. Cause it was, it was vision. You got a vision for everything you went. So now it's my turn. All right. Take your headline. Oh, oh, I got one. What's my fortune say? Really long. It says it's SpaceX launched 10,000 Starlink satellite. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Well, I just wanted to take a moment of reflection. So you just said the headline, they have launched a 10,000 Starlink until a certain part of the atmosphere. Stop looking it up. No, I wrote it into the script. Oh. I deleted it now. No. So only nine note about it. Can I command? I may have seen it. Anyway. I backup trivia questions if we need. Of all of those 10,000, only about 8,608 are operational according to Jonathan McDowell, who was the guy that we interviewed for our new space race episode, the goats. Plug number two of this podcast. What happened to the other 1,300 of them? I think that they stopped working and burned up. They only, they fall out of the atmosphere after five years. They burned down. They only have a five year lifespan. Oh, so they've launched. They've launched 10,000, but only 8,600 are still in orbit. I believe currently two fall out of the sky every day. And by the time they reach their 12,000, they will be losing in between five and seven per day. As a fun little statistic, if you guys remember, when we did that new space race episode four years ago, there were a total of 12,020 satellites that had ever been launched into space. Only 7,550 were still in space and only 4,600 were still functioning. And now there are 8,600 operational just star links. Just star links. Yeah. And this is why we talked about Kessler syndrome, which is one of the ends of the world, where, not the end of the world, but it's where basically things in orbit are falling at 17,000 miles an hour. When they hit each other, they explode. Then you've got shrapnel falling at 17,000 miles an hour. And so when shrapnel, which you can't track very well, hits other things, it also explodes. Because everything going at 17,000 miles an hour just explodes. So. I think that's true, but okay. I don't know, man. When it hits other stuff. When it hits stuff. When it hits stuff. When it hits a big qualifier. I explode going 17,000 miles an hour. So. I've been flying a lot of United flights over the past couple years. You're talking about the Starlink. And not one of them has had Starlink. Dude, I know. I saw someone post that they were getting like a gigabit down on a United flight. And I was like, I've not seen any of them that have actually deployed. I've only seen it on Twitter. It's like Elon and United's Twitter, like sharing speed tests. And like, look at these live streams from United website. And I'm like, oh wow. Seems like we should get it any second now. I've found so many times. None of them have had it, but hopefully soon. If flights get gigabit, you're just gonna need to like upload a video last minute and just book a flight. Book a flight. Just go hop on. We've got a really big time to upload. Time to book a flight. The title writes itself. Anyway, I'm hoping that happens soon. But yeah, Starlink. There's a lot of things. I'm hoping lots of things don't fly at 17,000 miles an hour and explode in space. I don't know enough about like, when they fall out of the sky, they surely burn up before hitting the ground, obviously, but maybe they hit other satellites on the way. I don't know. Well, there's low Earth orbit and then there's geostationary orbit. So they're like different levels. So when they fall out of the sky, they're no longer in geostationary orbit. They're in low Earth orbit. The Starlings are all in low Earth orbit. So when they fall out of the sky, yeah, they burn up before hitting the ground. They're supposed to, yes. And they're supposed to not hit other Starlings that are also in low Earth orbit. Yeah, I mean, I think. 3D space is big. It's pretty big. So the odds of actually hitting one are... It's pretty low. Well, that is what Castler Syndrome is. It's the chain reaction of one hitting another, which hits another, which hits another. Yeah, this is one of the movies I watched. Gravity. Gravity. Yeah. Yeah. That movie was just like Uncut Gems. I was so anxious the whole time. There's another thing that's going on at these Starlink reentries, which is that the aluminum, as it reenters the atmosphere and burns up, gets incinerated and turns into aluminum oxide, which is really, really bad for the ozone layer. It is, yeah. I guess there's so many different scales of polluters that I'm like, all the cars that will be driven today versus the two satellites that fall out of the air. It's your fault for not throwing that Coca-Cola can in the recycling. Yeah, that's also a factor. But I guess, yeah. Okay, but scale that up to all these companies that are launching their own satellites and then having this like ungoverned space race. I feel like that was the whole point of what we first brought up. It's not just like this one certain thing is doing it. It's just that like, where does it stop? Where do we make a regulation on it? And when every trillion dollar company or multi-billion dollar company can just launch stuff. Yeah, Amazon's doing it with its Kweeper, or how are we doing it with Kuiper? I was more worried about the Starry night, I think. Yeah, getting ruined. Yeah, that's also a problem. Yeah, by Van Gogh. You're gonna throw a solar, right? It stole from the Louvre. No, they didn't. It's not in the Louvre. It's in the MoMA. That was a bad joke. I've seen it many times. All right, trivia? They stole my dignity from the Louvre in seven minutes. All I needed was a ladder truck. That's all you need. That's your trivia. That's your trivia. Thank you. Seven minutes, that's all I need. This first one, I don't know. I just don't know. I'm gonna write it now. All right, Spider-Man. I don't. Marquez's phone. What was the question? Venom. Oh, yeah. What is he? I don't know. I'm sorry. I thought this question. You know I don't watch movies. I thought this question would be more fun than it turned out to be. I mean, thanks. See? I hope you guys get one. Like, for all the movies you guys watch, I hope you get a point. Yeah, there's two possible answers here. Yeah. I put two answers. All right. I wrote, I don't know, which is correct. Correct! True. I wrote the Venomites. All right, I wrote Korg, because it just sounds like an alien monster race. And I also wrote Meteor Juice. Cause didn't it come from a meteor? Kind of, I love that. The alien? Can't give you a point. The colloquial name is Symbiote or Symbiote's Plural. Oh yeah. And according to Wikipedia, I did not know this. It is also known as the Clintar. The Clintar. It was kind of close to Klingon. Which is Star Trek. Star Trek again. Star Trek, it's actually Dune. Every time someone leaves me, it's not Klingon. Perfect. Like an alien. Anyway. All right, Adam. None of us got that one. Next one. All right, we have a chance at this one. Quick update on the score after that. Marquez with seven. Andrew with nine. David with five. I don't say not that bad. Not bad. All right, two hundred. Question number two. In which layer of the atmosphere do Starlink satellites reside? Did we not save the satellite? I feel like I gave it away. We did, so now I will no longer accept one of the two answers. There's two answers. Now I'm gonna need the specific name. No. We are no longer accepting low earth orbit. Do. Get f***ed. You made it harder for yourself. There's a line which I know is in it, but I can't think of anything other than the Mason-Dixon line. You should write that. Just give it a shot. I wrote the de minimis line. Why? I don't know. Are you thinking about tariffs? Oh yes, I was. Also, what is that handwriting? It's cursive, bro. That's him. I wrote de minimis. Cause I ran out of time. Andrew, what did you say? Blank? It's blank. That's okay. Marquez? I took a stab. I said the ionosphere. No, but it's not. Good try. It's the thermosphere. The thermosphere. The Celsiusphere. I am, yeah, well. No, he's not. The thermosphere is part of the ionosphere. Bang, but is that where they reside? My ionosphere is like most of it. Could I have written this guy? I think I'm right. The miso sphere. I don't know what it is. I think I'm right. We'll give it to you. I'm not wrong. You're not wrong. That's true. You're not wrong. I'm taking that point. Marquez Bradley, congratulations on your eighth point. All right. Congratulations to you. Comment section, feel free to tell me why I'm right. Or wrong, but I'm taking the point though. Either way, that's been a headlines and a hat for your final episode of Techtober. Technically, no. It's not Halloween. Because next week's Halloween. Oh my God, you're right. Next week is still Techtober. Okay, for your second to last week of Techtober, headlines will continue. Hats may or may not continue, but we have much more to talk about. Stay tuned. Get subscribed if you haven't already. Go Devils, who else is in the playoffs right now? What? It's the sixth game of the season. Who else is playing baseball right now? Go Dodgers. LGD. Dodgers and Jays. And go Blue Jays. Go Blue. Go Sixers. Go Blue. Like go Sixers. And go Birds. And go Nets. And go Nets. And that's all we have to say. That's our watch. Wait, David needs to pick a sports team. What's your favorite dough to team? Team Liquid. Team Liquid. All right, you heard it here first. Go Team Liquid. See you guys next week. Peace. Wait, for our first guest by Adam Malina and Ellis Ruffin, we're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. And our trapdoor music was created by Vain Stil. Bingo. I don't know why I felt like a robot reading that one today. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.