Bill O'Reilly Is "Easy To Hate (And That's A Fact)"

You know, Carvey, I wrote the book specifically for the church lady. I may take a nap during my nap. That's what most of the customers do. But out of respect for you and Spade, the last time I saw Spade, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. You know me, I've been on every art show a million times. I'm banned from you for them now. I don't want to hear about me. Tina Fey hates me. Tina Fey hates you. Hates you? Hold on. And so does the blonde. That cuddly is cuddly bear. Amy Poehler. So does the blonde me. Dana, Bill O'Reilly is on today. Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly. Who is an interesting guest for us. A little different. We're off the beaten path. Friends with Dennis Miller. That's where I met him. Billy. And has books out. Lots of books out. He's very much a thinker and a doer. And he says he's an independent. I mean, a lot of people, including myself, were thinking, oh, you're obviously right politically. And he says, that was kind of shocking. He really, what we talked about was his latest book was about the history of kind of evil people like Angus Conn and stuff. And it's a very easy read. But it's really informative. How much you know about all these Napoleon or all these people who did evil things. Yeah, he does. I think Napoleon was in there. A deep knowledge of history. We didn't really get into too much politics, but which is good. We just talked about the books and about Dennis and about he does love comedy. And so I thought it was a nice chat. Yeah. And he does talk to Trump on the phone twice a month. So he says, so some insightful things about the man who occupies the White House. Yeah. If you're interested, I think it'll be fun to listen to. It's a fun listen. And here he is, Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly. I feel like I'm on your show. This is really funny. You've got a nice studio tie on. Now I'm watching you guys here. Can't hear me? Can't hear us? Yeah. Spade looks like he's in a bad cave. You look like you're in Bali, Indonesia. Yes. You got to have plants and podcasts. Yeah, absolutely. Because most people you're interviewing are potted plants anyway. Geez, two in a row. How old are you? That's fine. I'm 17. This will be, and thanks for having me on, you guys. I really appreciate it. We're excited to talk to you. You're never, ever boring, ever. Well, you know, that's probably true, but I know that you have access to the Kardashians. I'm very, very flattered to be here. That's right. We do. By the way, I'm really enjoying your book. Let's just start with this because I have a lot of other questions, secular questions about society and all that. But I am really enjoying it. I'd recommend it to anyone confronting evil. I'm a casual history buff, but you realize you don't really know. I love the way it's written. I read Genghis Khan first. It's very nice and terse sentences. It's very clear. It moves, it has a thesis, and they tell you what they're eating and how they're sleeping. So I'm just really enjoying it. I read Mao this morning, so I'm in a very cheerful mood about the state of humanity. You read all the fun parts first. You get bite-sized chapters, quote-unquote, and you can go anywhere you want, but it's just the most evil people in history. So anyway, that's my pitch. You know, Carbi, I wrote the book specifically for the church lady. I mean, Satan and I was commiserating with the church lady, and she demanded that I write confronting evil to get all the evil out there, and with the church lady commands, I do. So I want everybody to know that. I talked to her before I came out. I can only paraphrase it. Well, well, well, Mr. Bill O'Reilly writes a book about naughty people when he could have been writing about himself. There you go. Everyone wants a church lady to sing her. So anyway, how are you? Where are you in your cycle? I knew you'd be early on the podcast, and you seem to have unlimited energy. So what are you? Are you going to take a nap after this podcast? I may take a nap during the podcast. That's what most of the customers do. But out of respect for you and Spade, the last time I saw Spade, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hill. I don't know whether you remember that. I don't know whether you remember that. We were one of those big stores on Beverly Boulevard. Oh, it was Barney's. Yeah, he stashed a little shirt in his sweatshirt. I think I had some silverware in my pants, and we kind of ran into each other. Right. On the stairs, I knew I had up to $1,000, so nobody cared. I ran out of there. Now, Barney's closed. It was sad. It was sad. I couldn't waste money anymore. But anyway, my cycle is interesting. I'm kind of a little bit like you guys, but you're much more talented than I am. So what we do here, once I left Fox News, was I said, look, I've been working for corporations now for 42 years, and I'm going to do it on my own now. I'm going to go out. So I did three corporations, one TV, one radio, and one book and internet, social media. And I took five people from Fox with me, and then we grew at 60 people work for me, 6-0 now. So I'm like 87 years old, which you could probably see. And my friends are all driving around in cars and playing pickleball. And I said, are you really hitting the pickles? I mean, what are you doing? What's up, Dad? Yeah. But I'm working like a sherpa. I mean, I would rather be taking luggage up to Himalayas than do what I'm doing now. Sometimes working for someone is OK, but sometimes. Yeah, but at least I'm calling my own shots. Well, that trend has only accelerated exponentially since you started and Glenn Beck and then everybody else and Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson, they create their own ecosystem, and there's no difference and everybody's watching everything on YouTube. And so, yeah, to me, to not for you to have a boss doesn't seem correct. Well, I never really had one other than, but there was some big boys like Rune Arleigh. She was the guy that started Monday Night Football and Howard Cosell. And then it was Roger Ailes. You tough guys. So it was like Michael's for you guys. Sure. I mean, you could go up against them, but you better have your stuff together. But I was never a corporate guy. So I stated Fox for more than 20 years, banked a lot of money. And then I said, I'm going to try to do this on my own because of the technology and it's worked great. And not only that, but the freedom that we have, because you're in the same in business now, is just for me emotionally, really a boost. That's where I get my energy. So I was in LA over the weekend with Mar. Yeah. Yes. His dopey show. You know, he works for HBO. Now, he's got autonomy like crazy. He's been there 23 years. He can do pretty much what he wants to do. He's got, you know, a thousand writers and all this, but he's still got that corporate structure. You know, he still has to go to the meetings and stuff like that. And, you know, I'm saying, Hey, Mar, you probably make more money just doing this on your own, which he's starting to do. Right. With Klopp Brandom. With the podcast he's in. She's got it. Yeah. But he could do the same kind of show himself. And yeah. So I'm glad I was around long enough to see this happen. You know, because going on a traditional talk show, you get the Q&A up front, the host is feeding you, you know, and now it's just, this is like green room stuff. We're just getting to talk to you unfiltered. Are you guys amazed though, that in our lifespans, I'm older than you, but we came up in the, what they call the golden era of TV, linear TV. Are you surprised at the changes and how fast they came in? David. Yeah. I am for sure. And I'm also surprised. It's also hard to stay in the business in any way, shape, or form because it goes, it switches over to TikTok. I mean, I was on sitcoms for a while. There's not many sitcoms being made. There's a lot of people doing it, do it yourself way, as you're talking about. Some, it works, some it doesn't. But if you have an audience, hopefully they can find you and you can get a bigger piece and call the shots. Look at that Jimmy Kimmel situation. There's definitely two sides to like having a boss and saying what you want to say. And unless you are the boss, it just shows you can't always, it's not like real freedom of speech. It's more like we have to keep it within reason for advertising. There's always sort of a boss, right? Unless you're doing your own thing. Absolutely. And not only that though, it weighs you down. Because YouTube in particular, creative funny guys, I'm more of a journalist kind of give me the facts and all that. But when you have to, when you're being second guest, all right, that kind of emotional stuff cuts into the creativity. Because you're creative, you're going to make mistakes. You're going to screw up. Sometimes it's going to fall flat. But in order to get the big hits, you got to try stuff. And all the corporate suits are like, oh, no, we can't do that. But Kimmel and Colbert, and I know all these guys and I, you know me, I've been on every talk show a million times. I'm banned from them now. I hear about me. Okay. John Stewart. You have to be banned from some. Yeah. Yeah, that changed. And it's a bad change. It's a bad change for America. But once Trump came in, if you didn't hate Trump, then you were banished. I was on a view like a dozen times and mixed it up with the ladies. And it was, you know, when Barbara Walters was around, it was good. But once they started to really hate Trump, I was talking to Kimmel through one of his friends and I said, look, it's okay to make fun of Trump. But if you hate him, if there's just blood dripping from your nose, you're alienating 50% of the country. You know, don't be more, get him if you want. All right. But don't be hateful about it. That is what has changed. My philosophy is to be funny first, because that's the way I was, you know, raised on comedy. Be funny first. If you make a point within it, but if it's just the goal is to teach as a comedian, I don't really like that style personally. Yeah. Tarty talk. What happened is that, and I'm partially responsible for this, I never get, I had Ted Koppel on the factor and Koppel looked at me and said, you ruined television news. And I said, thank you. It needed to be ruined because payneads like you were excluding half the country. All right. We couldn't, you couldn't get their point of view because you guys are sitting in the ivory towers in Manhattan. So I'm glad I broke it down. But then what it went was in again, Trump comes in, they were making money hating him and they're making money like him. And that's where it all broke down. So now when people turn on linear television, they expect to get propaganda on one side or the other. And then the social media, at least some of us, and I include you guys in that, we're not interested in making money hating or loving somebody. We want to be entertaining and informative. And that's why I think we win. Yeah. I agree with that. I agree. If you're looking to refresh your space and make your home work better for you, Wayfair makes it incredibly easy from furniture and decor to smart organization solutions and outdoor essentials. 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So I'm watching you on SNL with Biden. That's what I was going to bring up. Go ahead. It's brilliant. I mean, I'm on the floor. I'm on the floor. Okay. But I like you anyway. I like both of you or I wouldn't be here. So I don't do pie-cups of people I don't like. Thank you. I said, so I'm going this, look, but it wasn't malicious. It wasn't Alec Baldwin. Like, if I could beat his brains in, I would. No, you would just be, you're making fun of him. All right. But I know that Saturday Night Live got some blowback from it. What do you mean you're making fun of Biden? And that's the problem. You've got, SNL now knows its audience is 90% liberal. So they're feeding him that stuff. It's still funny. All right. But they're feeding him that. But I think it got to the point where they were allowing it. You could make fun of Biden because after that George Clooney article, it started to switch and then it was like, okay, Dana, I think we can do this. Yeah. There's a big one in the sand because Lorne had asked me to do him when he was still going to be the nominee or, you know, and I said, okay, I'll try, you know, because I knew it was a slippery slope and he had to thread the needle, even if I was in a club or doing it anywhere. And then he's not running anymore and Kamala's in there. And that's when I emerged. But I, when I came out the first night with my Rudolph, I was ready for maybe a heckling, you know? So I had it loaded in my head in case someone heckled me. I'd say, get your facts straight, Jack. You know, I wanted to just get back at him, but it just started with this and this isn't political. You would say these non sequiturs, this was the hook. Folks, guess what? And by the way, the fact of the matter is, no, I'm being serious here. I'm not getting around. So that was like a little song for me that didn't make a statement, but I felt that he was underserved, if you could say it that way in the satirical department during his tenure, whether whether a president deserves it or not, you feel like it's, it's a good sign of people are having some fun with the guy who's in charge of our country. But it was, it was fun to go in there and do that. And the audience at that point accepted what I was doing. And I don't really actively hate anyone I do, like in my heart. I hate this person. I'm going to do an impression. Right. You would be the exception. I would. Because I'm really easy to hate. And that is, that is a fact. The other, the other aspect of what you guys do that intersects with what I do is that you have to be honest about it. So I like the guy who does Trump now on SNL. The. I've named. James Honeston Johnson. Yes. Right. I like him because he's a pro, but and he gets his lines in, but he doesn't drip of malice. Okay. You can see that he's doing his job as a comedian to deliver funny lines. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. He's just when it crosses over into the destruction. When I went out to LA this weekend, I had a person walk up to me at the HBO studio and goes, Oh, I was so happy to have a Republican guest. And I go, Well, who's that around? I'm not a Republican. And the person was like, shocked. I said, I'm a registered independent. What I'm trying to do is find a best problem solver for the country. And that's who I'm going to get behind. But I'm not going to, you know, I am a traditional American. No doubt about it. I like all that. I think that's why we're the most powerful nation in the world that's ever exist. And that's one of the reasons I wrote confronting evil was because we have evil in America. And I want people to know about it. And I write about the slave traders coming to richest men in the world by doing this horrible stuff in New Orleans and Virginia. And then I write about Rockefeller and JP Morgan, who are, you know, Wall Street icons to this day, they were rotten bastards. Okay. And Teddy Roosevelt took them out. And so I'm the gunna guy that isn't an ideologue and ideologues bore me to death. I just, it's just the same stuff over and over and over again, the propaganda stuff. I hate it. I think it's smart to be independent because if you say you're right, everyone just thinks so far extreme white supremacists or whatever the labels are. And if you say you're a Democrat, they think so far left. So there's tons of people that are still in the middle that want to think clearly and just sort of go case by case, issue by issue. But if someone gets a whiff, you're one side or the other, it's immediately a problem or not. And that's affecting everything. When we say we're not political, but it affects the dating world, my friends are saying they go on a date and they're being felt out to see what they are right away to know if it's going to go any further. It wasn't like that in the old days. It's come into talk shows and everything that, and comedy that wasn't like that. Now it's sort of infecting everything and really splitting people up. Even families. Families for sure. Yeah. I mean, Thanksgiving coming up. Oh, and it's like, okay, here's Uncle Fred and he's a commie and I'm going to hit him with the grave. Here's Uncle Zoran Mondami at dinner. Let's see what happens. One of the reasons I put that knit with Dennis Miller on my show. Finally. The one and only Dennis. Oh my God. What a brain. I remember going, this is the greatest story. So I always liked Miller because Miller to me took no BS from anybody. Okay. And I know that to be true. So I went into Roger Ells and I said, this was right after Miller was on CNBC and he had a monkey on his show. I don't know what he got. Remember that. Yes. He's a monkey, a real monkey. Okay. On the show. His name is Glicko. Right. It was inexplicable. There was no real reason to have the monkey. But then there was a monkey. And the show did not do well. That was, that was the jump to shark monkey. Yeah. Now the chairman quite his trainer over fed him, you know, and he's like, next thing I know, I'm at an 0.2. All right. So I knew Miller a little bit and I knew how brilliant he was. Yeah. Brilliant man. Very. So I went into Ells, the head of Fox and I go, I want to put Miller on the air. And he goes, why? Hey, isn't he the guy with the monkey? I said, yeah, we won't use the monkey. That's now his thing. But Ells worked at CNBC. So he knew. I said, we're not using the monkey. We're just going to use Miller. All right. Just once a week because I want to get a totally unpredictable take. On the country on the world. Very true. Yeah. You'll get it. Right? Yeah. And it worked. It worked great. And it was just, boom, it blew up. Everybody looked forward to it. And then Miller and I went out on the road. On the road. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. And phenomenal. Huge audiences. Huge. I know from Dennis. Yeah, we did. We did well. The only shows that I did that were more successful than the four I did with Trump, which were unbelievable about attendance and grosses and stuff like that. Because that was after he lost the election, even though he'd never admit he lost it, he'd lost it. And we went out to the arenas and we did a history thing. But Miller's, to this day, the way he can analyze stuff, he just cuts right through to garbage and gets right to the essence of how absurd it is. Which is what I was looking for. Yeah. He's amazing. I mean, at the end of the day, it was like, Jesus, all I'm trying to do is keep half my money and kill the bad guys. All right? That was like a nice, tight way. Now, you guys, you got to tell me something now. Sure. Please. I tried to drag Miller to the anniversary show, which I was invited to. I don't know, was it 30th or 30th? Something. 50th. He wouldn't go to the SNL anniversary show. So I did a skit for them, a what up skit. Is that the Keenan? Yeah, that's right. Right. Oh, you were in that? I was in that. And I said, and Michael's was kind enough to invite me to the show. Nobody would sit next to me. So I had the big row in my seat. Was this the 40th or the 50th? Which one? 10 years ago. 40th. 40th, yeah. And I go, Miller, you got to come to the SNL reunion thing with me. Come on, be huge. And he wouldn't go. I'll send the monkey. Do you guys know why he wouldn't go? That's a tough one. We should have a mom right now. He wouldn't tell me either. Yeah. I said, Miller, there's got to be a reason. I know he doesn't like tons of fanfare, but he's kind of private. Quiet. I don't know. I thought it was that he was shooting the Bordello of Blood 2. This was surprisingly good in that movie. Oh, yeah. Surprisingly good. I agree. I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think with Dennis, I always say of a single update guy to the camera, you know, there's always the first guy Chevy. I think Dennis is the best to do it. There were teams of Tina Fey and Jimmy Fett, but I think Dennis is the best. And then he was sort of other. He was considered a conservative in Hollywood in a certain way. So I don't know, which was unfair, because I see him as an independent like you. Oh, absolutely. He's not an ideal long-awaited. All you need is to give someone a whiff and then word spreads. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what happened with him. Yeah. Norm MacDonald was very good way ahead of his time. Yes. Still would be. I do a weekend update. Right. Time never catch up to Norm. There's an example of your on a show and your boss doesn't like you, Don Olamire, and you get fired. And it was ridiculous. But that being said, I understood the animus. Well, it was Norm. Well, Norm's bananas. You tell him not to do any. You can do it. He's going to can't not do them. Yeah. How can I not do it? You're good for it. That's where I could not do it. Here's my Norm story. My 16 year old son at the time, Norm is playing on Long Island out in Huntington, and we go to see him. And Norm and I had a very good relationship. So we went backstage. So he looks at my son and he goes, whose name is Spencer. He goes, Spencer. I got one piece of advice for you. My son 16. And he loves Norm. What's that, Mr. McDonald? Don't smoke crack. Not a bad nugget. Of all the advice. Yeah. It's very Norm. You start with the softballs. Yeah. And then my son's looking at me like, what? What? Yeah. No, there's only one Norm and one Dennis. Those guys, you know, fantastic. And I was privileged to interact with both of them. I have to say, because what you guys do is very, very difficult. Thank you, Bill. No, it's hard to kill this because you got to be on it all the time. Expectations are through the roof and you got to perform. You got to come through. It's like hitting cleanup for the Dodgers. You know, if you're going to ground it to double plays, you're not going to be there long. Tina Fey said that once that just every time you go out on a talk show as a comedian, you feel you have to kill. You have to kill. And if you don't, then you blame yourself because who else is here to blame? I blame the crowd. Yeah. Tina Fey hates me. Tina Fey hates you. Hates you? Hold on. And so does the blonde. The cuddly is cuddly bear. Amy polar. So does the blonde me. Hates me. Not anymore. Or Amy. Right. Oh, Amy, yeah. Hates me to the extent that it's funny. I could see that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh boy. This is the worst. Here he goes to the Neanderthal of all time areas. No. Do you, you're braininess, do you get your feelings hurt? Are you a lost ship at sea? Or have you gotten post any of that just knowing where? Or is that just your nature from childhood? I mean, you see. You recounts. You can take a lot of hits. Like Trump takes hits and just keeps going. Listen, I've been friends with Trump for 35 years and he's the only human being I know who can take more garbage than I can. The guy is like, he's like. I couldn't take one percent of that. It's a Star Wars shield there. But when you were raised in Levittown, like I was, and in post World War II, when there were like 80,000 kids on the street and your parents didn't want you in the house. Or I was like, why don't you go, it's 14 below zero. No, no, here's some of your mugs. Out of here. Yeah. You don't care what it was. When you're out there with that many kids unsurprovised in a working class ghetto, which was what Levittown was, you're fighting all the time. I mean, you're ranking people out. Your mother is this, your dad, you know. So by the time I was 16, I was numb to all of that. Now, I have a list of people who were untoward, toward me and my family. There is a list. But usually the other stupid stuff, I just swatted away and so does Trump. That Levittown sounds like Instagram comments in real life. People, people aren't used to that. They're not used to the world of that in your face. Totally to the world. They hate you and not just online. We had to fight, but I didn't get to six, three. When did you achieve your height? Big five. I was always a big boy. Yeah. As an athlete and that saved me. I played sports, sports and I'd be in a penitentiary. In fact, when I go back to my Levittown neighborhood, because I live fairly close there on Long Island, people go, how come you're not in a penitentiary? We, we, the over and under was you were going to be in there by the time you're 22. Oh, right. Nobody saw you being a huge success. No. Did you ever get Billy Joel in a headlock? Yeah. Did you ever get Billy Joel in a headlock? Thanks for bringing that up. So Billy Joel lived in Levittown too. Yes, I know. He wrote the song. Yeah. Yeah. So he lived in the Hicksville section of Levittown. I lived in the Westbury section. Levittown is so humongous, they divide up the four post office. And that's why Al Franken was calling me a fraud. Oh, you are. Well, I've been running around for a while. All right, Al. Fine. Okay. Al, by the way, is in prison in Burma right now. So you haven't seen him around. That's where he is. We know all these people. Yeah, he's on the list. So anyway, Billy Joel and I would cross paths with same age. In the summertime up what they call the green, where there was no air conditioning. Nobody had air conditioning in Levittown, 112. No fucking chance. He had his crew. I had my crew. And we'd all go up there at night and sing. Everybody would sing. A capella. Oh, the jets in the shorts. So yeah. So Billy Joel, it was August, middle August, 95, he's wearing a leather jacket. Every night he'd be wearing a leather jacket. Get to slick back here. I go, hey, Billy, it's 98. What do you got in the middle of that? Yeah, a cigarette. Hop in. So I kept in touch with him all these years. Nice. I like that. He's a good guy. Absolutely. A lot of these rock people. I mean, he has no pretense, Billy Joel. No, Billy Joel. No overt ego at all. He talked to anybody. Super talented though. Good guy. So about 10 years ago, I invited him to dinner over my place. So he comes with his wife and my two kids are there. And we sang a song at the dinner table, so in love by the times. He was the lead. I was the backup. I thought my daughter was going to have a heart attack. And what? Like this. And then he'd come into her friend, and he'd come into her friend and goes, Billy Joel was at my house. I don't know why he likes my father. My own daughter. Are you a good singer? I mean, no, you're probably not going to do an opera. I can carry it too. I can do it. I can do it. So in love are we to that. I can do that. But he's like that. So if you're smart, all you do is do, do. That's all you do. Yeah, just support the genius. Stay near Billy. Yeah, for sure. I want to get your hot take on a couple things. Yeah, let's get some take. These are secular things. And that's when you go to like an apolitical thing. Okay. AI. Afraid of it. We're trying to make this super brain, these data centers. We need a super brain to solve cancer, solve these things. Excited about it. Hot take. Yeah, I'm a Luddite number one. I know anything about any of that. But it's inevitable and I'm going to accept it, but it will never replace me or you because AI is not going to be born within a talent. Keep that in mind. Okay. We just need it to process a billion bits of information and a billionth of a second and tell us how to make fusion energy. Bitcoin. Got it? Oh, sorry, David, do you have a question? I had one. Okay. Is who's gonna I got all my money under my bed. Okay. I don't. Are you just in bonds? You're not a stock market guy either. No, I do. My financial advisor, Swifty, we have a nice portfolio. We believe in capitalism and we've done okay. Okay. Do you think Gavin Newsom will be the next president? Of Bolivia. Campy. Campy president for one reason, the hair. Look at all 45 presidents. You can't have hair like that. And I said that to Mars. I said, what you have in common with Newsom is the hair. Oh, I saw that. Yeah. Guys got the hair. You can't still have a modeling comp card. You guys live in California. Yes. So you know what went on or what goes on out there is going to be forefront. And I don't think Governor Newsom has a chance to stand up to his record in California. I personally don't agree with all these policies because it's kind of affecting me. But when you go on the national scale, sometimes the other states don't really care. Yeah. But he's so out there and he's adopted on a lot of the Trump tactics, a lot of the sports. He has done the beams and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. He's doing that. So I think a guy like Wes Moore, the governor of Maryland, probably got a better chance because his record is stronger than Newsom's record. Yeah. And there's also the voice and he would be Gavin, what you call a pretty boy. You know, he's a little pretty. Yeah. It doesn't matter if you're pretty or not, although Abe Lincoln certainly wasn't. But actually Newsom's tenure really did spade and I have favor because in California, you can shoplift and nobody cares anymore. So when we were... Do you think it'll res... Yeah. I did not agree with that policy. Is that a weird thing to say? It's like... Do you think their nominee would be more toward the middle or more toward the left? To a middle on the Democratic side because people are tired of the lunacy. They're... Every single day, give us a rest. And I... When I speak to President Trump, which is, you know, maybe once every two weeks or something, I go, can you take a couple of days off? Yeah. Just relax a second one. Yeah, yeah. It's just weird. How do we do it? How do we process that energy? 79 and you can't keep track. He's in Malaysia. He's flying all over. I mean, what is that about? Heart is working president in history. Okay. And the laziest president was Warren Harding. Of course. I say that every day. That's true of 1920s. And believe me. That guy... Trump. What about... Trump has driven. If you do another tour with him, will you call it, we'll do it live. If you don't call it that... I know you're trying to make fun of me, but that's okay. No, I like that. That's the coolest thing you've ever done. You guys can open. I love to. How's the green room? I love it. Here's a question. You like Diet Cokes? He drinks... I do. He doesn't diet Cokes a day. I know. The flail fish, McDonald's, golf's a little bit, ever ready bunny, sleeps four, five hours a night. I mean, I'm just trying to... Six minutes a night. No, I... I have to keep my phone on. This is true because he comes in between one and three. Oh, I don't think that O'Reilly, you know, that kind of thing. People will love in what you're doing, your tremendous build. They're after me. We got a lot of policies we're gonna do a build. But anyway, a lot of people, you're in a historian, and you have 17 books killing everybody, Lincoln, whatever, 20 million. I mean, you're an author as much as you are anything. As far as the sales are extraordinary. I'm just saying, not trying to kiss your ass, but you know, it is amazing what you've done. And people now think no kings. Like, okay, so break it down for us. If Trump was to become a dictator in the next three years, what are the steps he's got to make pretty soon to achieve that? Well, first of all, the view ladies would be incarcerated. That would be... So we wouldn't let them run away anymore. I put a chapter in Confronting Evil about Henry VIII. To show everybody what a real tyrant king is. You didn't want to date Henry VIII, okay? No. No. And if you're trans, you didn't want to be in the country. You did not want to be around Henry. And thank you for bringing up the books. We are the most successful non-fiction authors in the world. 20 number one New York Times bestsellers. And you know how thrilled that paper is to put my name at the top of that bestsellers. Party time! All right. That's amazing. Listen up. Huh? That means you. Yes, you. We know you're pointing at yourself. When it comes to party power games, we've got a place made for all sorts. From the experts to the drama queens. It's me, the JC. The finance bros. Look at those stalks, lads. We'll stick with slots. It's what we're good at. And not forgetting you. Yes, you, the one listening. Because at Party Power Games, we've got all sorts of games for all sorts of trickles. Eligibility rules in terms of conditions apply. Please come for responsibly. AtomPlus, CamelAware.org. But you know, I'm reading your book. And it just the filth and the disease and just the darkness of all of it is just always a reminder that we are here in America. Obviously, there's people suffering. But you know, modern medicine, and you can go to the grocery store. Most people, I mean, it is a good check because I've seen people in the street with the latte and their iPhone. I hear them talking to their friend. Oh my God, it's the worst time to ever be alive. I'm thinking they should read The Conferencing Evil. You know. Then they jump into the Prius and Valley Park. Right. Americans lack perspective. And so, confronting evil is all about look. We are not a perfect country. President Trump is certainly not a perfect man. But, and that's a big but. Most Americans are decent people. About 15% of us are evil. That's my, what I put on that percentage. 15% of the whole human race is evil. They'll hurt you if they can. They like it. Putin. That's why Putin's on the cover of the book. He likes hurting people. We don't have a lot of that in our leadership. Trump sees the world very black and white. You're either with him or you're against him. You're against him. You're going to try to mock you or whatever. If you're with him, he's your best pal. That's what he is. Not changing. But from a historical viewpoint, he's done a lot of good things. And he's done some bad things too. But he is very interested in his legacy. So he's not going to try to take over in the next three years. He's not going to try to run for a third term. This is all ridiculous. But you know what he'll do and you guys will find this interesting. Every day Donald Trump wakes up for him is two hours sleep. And his first thought is, how can I torture my enemies? So he says stuff just to get the view ladies upset. It works. Just to get whoopie, gallberg, agit. It's easy. Right. Yeah. He'll just say literally. They take everything he says. Literally. And then he. He loves it. Look at this reaction. Look at MSNBC. They're setting themselves on fire. Yes. And now I'm going to say this. He doesn't do any of it. So you got to understand where he's coming from. I did that when I was seven years old, but he continues to do it. Like the whole Canada thing he came out with. Well, I think it'd be the great. He was just kidding. Dropping people crazy. I was kidding. He didn't like Trudeau. Yeah. Trudeau is a little neb-ish to him. And now he's, but you got to give Trudeau, he's running around, Katy Perry does something bad. Okay. You didn't like Trudeau at all. Not bad. So he goes, how can I annoy Trudeau? I'm taking it over. And of course. Boom. Okay. Now does everyone want that from their president? Not everyone. But, but you know, we just had Vine who was very quiet. So we've got too quiet. Then we got too loud. He was napping. And it was, it was a do not disturb sign over his entire administration. I mean, it's what it was. And I knew that from the jump because Biden was never, never a hard worker. Even when he was a senator, it was never a guy was that interested in public policy. He just wasn't. Boy, you should talk to Barack Obama about Joe Biden. Anyway, I've read some of that. If you understand Trump, you won't hate him as much. That's my message to Beverly Hills. That's good. I like that. You've got to think about not what he says, but what he does. And overseas, getting those Hamas guys out, those hostages, that was one tough deal. And if he can bring in China, that because I was in China at the government's request over there, they were like you. They asked me to be on their podcast, but in person in Beijing. And I went over on my own dime. You did go out and say, yeah. I passed on that one. No, my son, I dragged him because he's a political science major. He goes, are you sure? You know, and I know this is once in a lifetime experience. You're going to be sitting across the most powerful guys in the second most powerful nation in the country and three hours. We did. But if Trump can bring that in and calm things down over there and get a decent trade deal with them, huge. Do you think there's any chance we could create a stronger alliance with them? Yeah. They're business people. They're not like Putin's a psychopath. He wants to kill women and children. It's impossible to do. So what do we do with Ukraine? You have to make a deal with China. Okay. Because they're involved with this very deeply. With the President Trump. It's triangulation, they call it. We can make a deal with China and China withdraws its support from Putin. Putin's finished. And that is starting because Trump's going to sell all the ANWAR oil to Beijing. That means that Beijing doesn't have to buy it from Putin. And there's enough up there. It's in. Oh my God. The polar bears are covered with it. I mean. They're not in wait anymore. Here's two. You got any other, here's two. One, just quick takes. One is that these things unachievable, impossible. What would Trump do? The debt, the 38, 37, 38 trillion. And affordability is all the, and that's going to take time to bring down housing costs. What is your thoughts on this? Well, he knows after last week that the midterm is in jeopardy. Yeah. He knows. And his legacy depends on keeping the House and Senate in November 26. So the first salvo was, I'll give everybody two grand. Okay. But if you look at it, if you go to billowreilly.com, which is where I live, we earn that money because Trump wouldn't get any of these tariffs if not for U.S. consumers buying this stuff from China. So what Trump's doing is basically charging an admission fee for all foreign nations to sell their stuff inside the United States because we buy more than anybody else by far. So it's us that are making people want to send stuff here and Trump is exploiting that. And that's the kind of commentary I do every day on billowreilly.com. But it's going to be very difficult to force people to lower their prices. When I was in LA, the hotel I stayed at was charging $36 for a cheeseburger, $36 for a cheeseburger. So I went out to in and out and I got 14 for $36. Sure. You know, and I brought them in and gave them all the bell hops. I said, I don't buy that stuff. But to go in and out, don't say you can't charge that. So it's a very, very difficult thing. I don't know whether the Republicans are going to be successful. However, the Democrats don't have much and that is the Republicans big advantage. Well, the terms of leadership, policies or whatever. When you say the Democrats don't have much, their policies, leadership. All of it across the board. You said a $38 trillion debt. Well, what do the Democrats want to do? They want to spend more and more and more and more and more. And you can't. And if you try to lower it, how do you get reelected? I mean, it's a very difficult thing for both parties. Yeah, he promised every man Donny just got elected and he's a communist, not socialist. And free bus rides for everybody. And the governor, yes, he goes, well, we don't have enough money to do that. It's $800 million a year to give free bus rides to everybody. And New York state is already like California in deep and dead. Where are they going to get the money? And all the rich people are moving out. They're all going to Florida, Tennessee or wherever. And where are you going to get it? So that's what I say. The Democrats can't continue on this. And then they got woke stuff and then they got this stuff. And if the Democrats had a guy like JFK, not IRFK Jr., no. All right. But RFK Sr., they'd win. They had a charismatic leader like Trump. They'd win. So they're looking for that guy. They're looking. Colbert turned it down, but... Anyway, this has been a pleasure. Thank you, Bill. You're never boring, like I said. And BillOreilly.com and the No Spin News podcast. You're everywhere. Yeah, we're all. And I really appreciate you guys reading Confronting Evil. And I hope people will check that book out. You learn a lot and it's fun to read. And I hate to use the word fun and evil in the same thing. It's fascinating. These names are iconic, Angus Con, whatever. And then you're into the detail of how they got so evil, how they got their power, and what happens to them. And the people who risk their lives to take them out. So it's just stories that are fascinating that happen to be kind of history. I'm glad you guys liked it. I just want to say I've always admired your talent, both of you. That whole crew with Miller and Norm and you guys. I mean, it was just... That was just a highlight of American television. And it was. And I'm pleased to be on with you and thanks for taking the time. Thank you, Bill. Appreciate it. And we'll talk soon. You're welcome. Pleasure. Hey, guys. If you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app. Give us review, five star rating, and maybe even share an episode that you've loved with a friend. If you're watching this episode on YouTube, please subscribe. We're on video now. Fly On The Wall is presented by Odyssey, and executive produced by Danny Carvey and David Spade, Heather Santoro and Greg Holtzman, Mattie Sprung-Kaiser, and Leah Reese-Dennis of Odyssey. 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