Bill Belichick, Grit Week 2026, Cavs Win Game 7, Aaron Rai Takes The PGA + Who’s Back Of The Week

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It's dexterous. I'm very excited to be back on the road. I love the new Vanny Woodhead. I can't wait to hit the road. He's so sexy. That thing was built for comfort. That was built for interstate travel. It was built for Hank Naps. The yon's are going to hit different from the back of Vanny Woodhead 2.0. Yeah, I'm ready to roll. Love being on the road with the boys. And we have an awesome interview with Coach Belichick coming up. But before that, Game 7, the Cleveland Cavaliers advance. We're actually recording this while the fourth quarter is going on. So let me check the score real quick. Yeah, we're a lot to a little for a long time. It was they're down 30. It was it was. Yeah. What's the current score? 10870. 11080. So congrats to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Congrats to Dan Gilbert, who did an all time owner move shipping 25 bus loads of fans. Instead of the George Soros playbook. It's pretty nice. Yeah, he's he's stuffing the ballot and it was it. I mean, the Cavs like they just were so much better in this game. The series Friday night thought thought the calves were going to close it out at home. Be ball Paul had different different ideas. He was incredible. But this was we've we found the antidote for big game James James Harden. Game 7's. It's just simply have Evan Mobley, Donovan Mitchell, Sam Merrill and Jared Allen all play out of their mind. Mitchell played awesome the first half. He was controlling the offense when he was getting to the rim. Sam Merrill seven for nine from three. He was either scoring five from seven or hitting somebody for a dunk. It was just it was dominant from the guys. This series. Is it fair when we call the series a mid off? So I was talking I was actually hanging out. We're talking about it earlier. I think we just need to come to grips and we haven't seen the next play in what feels like forever. Yeah, I think it's OK to just say that in the NBA right now and the next might throw this theory up because they might just be better than what we kind of expected. A lot of teams are just OK. And that means they can all beat each other. And then there's OKC in San Antonio. Yeah, that's kind of what it feels like where it's like both of these teams have flaws. Both of these teams did OK things during the Pistons had a very good regular season. But at the end of the day, they both they like if you just keep playing this series forever, they'll just keep exchanging wins back and forth. And the Pistons just don't have enough offense. So we knew that kind of going in Tobias Harris. That's got to feel good. Max bad bad. That's another win for the Sixers. Still waiting for him to make a bucket tonight. Still waiting for him to make a buck. He had a stretch there in the playoffs where he had like 20 points. It looked OK. A bunch of games in a row. And then it just has fallen off a cliff. But yeah, it's I mean, the the Cavs. We were we were having this discussion last week when we were asking memes who he wants to play and he wanted to play the Cavs. You wanted to play the Cavs. Wanted to play the Cavs. And my counterpoint was the Cavs. Well, I think the Knicks are going to win. The Cavs do still have players that are very good. And the Pistons have Cade Cunningham and then some guys that can chip in, but maybe not a consistent basis. Whereas the Cavs have like Donovan Mitchell and go off. James Harden can go off. Evan Mobley and Jared Allen can be very good. So Max Streuss dog. I think this is the progression of the Pistons along the way is like, what were they two years ago? I said at the other the other day, they won like 16 or 18 games. Oh, they were so bad for so long. Yeah. So just two years ago, they were they were just dog shit. They're really, really bad. Last year. Last year, they made the progression against the next and this year, the natural progression from that is let's take the regular season super seriously. Let's win all the games that we can get a high seed. Then they get to the playoffs and it's like, oh, yeah, when you play against better teams, the flaws are more easily exploited. So then going into next year, you would think that they would continue to adjust the roster and then maybe be a more serious playoff threat next year. Need more scoring. Yeah, this might be it's a step in the I don't I don't know if this playoff was a step in the right direction for the Pistons, but I would say the totality of this season, we're still going the right direction in Detroit. Yeah. So next year, you build off this and then I wasn't good tonight. He's had weird turnovers and like yet tonight he was not. He was he needed to be super human to win this series and he fell short on the superhuman thing, which is not saying he's a bad player. He's a very, very good player. It's just when you have to carry the load that came coming in had to carry. You can't have it off night, especially in the game. Yeah, there was a moment after halftime, because I made this note because you know, we always go back and forth on what the biggest leads are in sports, like what they look like. Oh yeah, I've got a new one. I've got a new one. This is the biggest I saw it too. What was yours? I'm 72 49. Yeah. Yeah. I saw it. I was like, Holy fuck. That is by far the biggest 23 point lead in sports. Yeah, 72 to 39. No, 49 or 72 to 49. 72 to 49. It feels like that. It feels like 40 points when that score was on the screen. I sat there. I did the math like three times in a row and I was like, this has to be a 40 point lead. Correct. It's crazy. But yeah, congrats to the Cavs. Good luck in the next round. I know I know the next fans that I know. Memes, Zach included, very excited to play against James Harden and the boys in this round. Are you are you worried at all that James Harden has been saving it up his entire career for this series? And he's about to just unload on you in the NBA. You play who you play. I am looking forward to playing the Cavs. I've done by respect for James Harden's game, but I have the utmost respect and confidence in jail. President of the Nicks memes. I agree with Zach statement. Never in my lifetime though, have the playoffs started in the Eastern Conference final for the Nicks or like any Tim I've ever read before. So I'm just excited to watch him play next and six next and six for sure. Next and five, next and four. Nixon for this will be over by next week. I know. Time we're back from Great Week. The series will be over. I'm going to say Nicks in five. Okay. Nixon five. Nixon four. Hank, is it a disappointment for New York if the Nicks don't sweep them? No. No, it's the NBA. You can have an off night. It doesn't you win the series, you win the series, but it's it's Nixon for will you personally be disappointed in the Nicks if they don't sweep them? No, I know how it goes. It's it's you know, you can you can you can get cold and lose a game and that doesn't mean you're the worst team. That's facts. Yeah. And then on the other side, I can't wait for the Thunder and the Spurs. Jalen Williams is coming back for the Thunder two. Yeah. So they've doubled their amount of Jalen Williams that they have ready for San Antonio. We're in the conference finals. It's conference. We still have we still have a game seven for hockey, but it's good. It happened like that. Hank, you're your best two weeks of sports gone in a flash. I know it's a good run, but not really. Actually, it was a horrible. Yeah, I was gonna say you hated those two weeks. It was like, it was a yeah, basically, I never like I never came back from Max's bachelor party. Like my my sports my sports season just ended. Yeah, you're still your brain. Now I'm just like now I'm just a neutral observer. I went to Vegas as like go team go. And then I came back just like, what's on TV tonight? Like, all right, let's watch this game. Yeah. We'll never come back from Vegas. Remember the Carolina or the Carolina Hurricanes? Yeah, they're still playing hockey. We had a nice there was like the old debate, the bodybuilder debate on what day of the week. How many days of the week? There was a lot of debate on how many days off the Hurricanes have. Is it 11 or 12? I think it was spurned by our good friend, Ryan Whitney, saying 12 counting the day that the Hurricanes play game one as the 12th day. That's not an off day. Yeah. So but I got a little chuckle out of that. So that's how long like the fact that they haven't we're debating on how long their rest is. Is it 11 or 12 days? That's how long it's been. And we just haven't seen him play. That's really mind blowing. Yeah, I've been working on an impression recently because you know, I'm good pretty good at impressions. This one is Keith Yandel from spin chicklets. You want to hear it? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. I texted Jans. That was such a funny video. And it also I think biz knows it's mostly his stories. Wow. Wow. Wow. We'll have what we have to have Jans. We I think we're on Jans in the rotation, right? Yeah. Yeah, dude. We're biz with back to Jans. So we'll have Jans on next week. But all right, we're going to talk PJ championship after this quick ad. Okay, before we talk PJ championship, draft Kings, the NBA playoffs are here and draft Kings sportsbook and official sports betting part of the NBA brings excitement to every game day. The whole postseason when the lights get bright is the best players in the world show you exactly who they are. Playoff stars turn it up round by round and draft Kings turns it up with them from the first round all the way to the finals. 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Okay boys none of us have to get wet from soggy sorrows and Shane Bacon because Aaron Rye is your 2026 PGA champion at the course that max took his prom pictures. Congratulations to him. It's pretty huge. What's the most iconic moment on that 18th green? Is it Aaron Rye winning a PGA championship or is it max to lente buttoning up a suit with a bow tie for the first time in his life? I mean it wasn't very like dramatic. He had that thing locked up. He did. Yeah. He actually had it so locked up that I was a little I was a little weirded out the fact that the Gale was inscribing the wanton maker while there were guys on like the 15th. It was like I know it's a total crazy long shot but what we did one of the guys like as a guy who had bet John Rom and was just hoping for a prayer and anything that could possibly happen to go wrong that gave me like one last second of hope of like this tournament's not over. It's not. He's not. He's not in. A trophy jinx would be all time. Yeah. That would be incredible. I think it was the tournament just kept going on because they had Schmid and a bunch of other guys that weren't going to win that had to wrap up. I would have left the course if I was Schmid. I'd be like yeah this feels like I don't need to actually finish. It was the 68 foot putt that was awesome. Awesome moment. That was the moment of the championship and that was from that moment on it was like all right he's got this. But yeah it was a little weird that down the stretch there's a guy like who had like an was it Eagle or a birdie. Smally had an eagle. Smally Pirates shout that guy who said that should be there. His his fan his fan group's name but he had an eagle and was like OK yeah obviously there's pretty much no chance but it's part three. What if you had a home one. Was it like a 68 or 68 yard or 68 foot putt that that ride hit to wrap it up which I think was like a little bit longer than the one that that spawn hit last year right. Yeah. Like by a foot or two it was over at that point. It's a cool story. Although it is it's the second European to win a major this year and Europeans are now two and oh and majors for the first time since 1934 when the Masters began and then nothing bad happened after that. Are we are we as a country washed because this also is on the heels of Shams announcing SGA back to back MVP. And I think it's been like nine years I believe eight years since an American has won the NBA MVP. So that is tough. We're just getting we're just getting this is this counts as a loss for Philly. Yeah not a good sports town. Yeah not being able to get a home turf. They try to get Roy rattled. They try. Roy is such a bitch. Oh my god. It was so funny. He just hit like a chip shot and then it went poorly and then one guy it wasn't even his back swing is after the shot went back goes you will see and Roy turns where he goes that guy right there. Get him out. Get him out. Get him out of here. Kick him out. It was it was so soft by Rory. But yeah it's it's crazy. What are you guys talking about memes. What did you find Joe. What Joe B. USA. That's true. Joe B. USA. Yeah. USA MVP. And also we're going to win the Stanley Cup again. It was which which that's like your what 15 or how long has been 1994 93. Yeah. Yeah we've been dominant that I think it would be official like guy who was born in America was 2018 James Harden. Okay. Yeah. So that was the last one. James Harden. Yonis twice. Yoke twice twice. Embiid Yoke. SGA twice. And then it's going to be Wimby for the next 10 years. Yeah. It's going to be Wimby forever. The Canadians. Yeah. The Canadians. By the way. I will I will get dual national. I will renounce American citizenship and become French if the Canadians win the Stanley Cup this year. Game seven coming up. Max are you what he just said it. No you're just saying stupid shit. That wasn't stupid. They're not going to win. What did you say. I said the shit. No no what did you say. I know I would you say before that you're going to renounce your citizenship. I don't know. Sometimes I just say things. I was going to just become French if the Canadians but you're not going to win the Stanley Cup. How do you acquire you're going to marry someone from. How do you acquire. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that France has taken everyone they can get. You're going to have to move there for like half a year or whatever. Yeah it's fine. No that's fine. Oh no no. I'm fine. Hank I'll probably need somebody to come and hang out with me. And yeah. No. You don't want to go to France. Not for half a year. To the south of France is nice. Yeah. Of the places I'd like to go. How about this. On the not on the shortlist. If the Canadians win it's a bad take. No that's a bad take. That's a very bad take by hand. There's a lot of places. South of France. It's really nice. It's very nice. If the Canadians win the Stanley Cup you have to eat a croissant every single day until an American team has a Stanley Cup back. That sounds awesome. Yeah. No I'll do that. All right. Great. That'll be my. You would get a little sick of it after like imagine if the Oilers won after that. You had to do two years. You know what they get. I'll start every single day. I'll do the croissant. I'll also because I'm so confident that we're not going to lose the Stanley Cup. I'll also eat French fries every day. Oh no. Yeah. It's going to get real bad. Crissan ever you would get sick of a croissant. I don't know. Like a croissant and coffee in the morning. That sounds like it sounds like it's a sustainable breakfast. Every day. A lot of carbs. So then he's got to eat two. Two would be a lot. Two. Then two. Two would get heavy. Two croissants every day until we get the Cup back. We. Yes. You agree. I'll do it. All right. It's not going to. Listen. It's going to be the Colorado Avalanche. We already said they're winning the Stanley Cup. OK. So back to Aaron Rye. Sorry, dude. That was we were we were throwing praise on you for winning a major and then we just got sidetracked by a million different things like Europe. Oh Max. Are you doing your draft? He's in his draft right now. He's got a live draft. I know. I may not have. Max said that he had a live draft. I was like do it on the show. He's like why would I do that because why not? He's got a he's got a fantasy football draft. Well I have a co-owner. Yeah. Yeah. No. We went we went with Fernando Mendoza. It's great. We it's a it's a dynasty rookie draft. It's a dynasty rookie draft too early. Oh he's getting his. Fernando Mendoza with our second pick and then Jordan Tyson with our fourth pick which we're going to the Saints. So OK. So yeah. Who's and then when you're let us know when you're next. I think that's it. I think that's all we got. Oh good draft because I think we traded all of our other picks to get up to the first round pick. So yeah that's it. You mortgage the future. Huh mortgage the future. Mortgage the future for what you said you trade all your picks to move up. Yeah. I can't really tell you. OK. Great. Good draft. Super flat. Super flex. Super flex dynasty. So that's why we went with Mendoza. All right. Aaron Wright. I love when you're watching a golf tournament and you don't really know who the guy is who's about to win and they start pouring on the stories and my initial reaction because you know we all root for different guys and have different bets. I'm like fucking get this guy out of here. We need someone else. And then they start giving us the stories and I'm like this guy might be the coolest guy ever. The stories about him wearing two gloves because he grew up in England and he golfed in the cold and he didn't have a lot growing up and his dad used to clean his irons after every single practice round. So that's why he has covers on his irons. I'm an Aaron Wright fan like you can't. They you know how they always will throw on some stories that make you feel sentimental. Like they were really hitting us with it and every single one I was like yeah you know what that's awesome. He's and he's on the record being like yeah I know it's goofy but I'm never going to forget where I came from. I'm never going to forget the fact that you know having a pair of set of clubs when I was a kid was a big deal and taking care of them is a big deal. And so I show that gratitude. Cool for Aaron. Right. Yeah. He said that when he was a kid his dad bought him those clubs and they were like way way way beyond what his dad could afford to pay for a set. So since it was such a nice set they would take great care of it. And he's like yeah actually like golf clubs are really expensive and it's pretty cool that I get sent free clubs now but I'm still going to take care of them just the way that I would have when I was a kid. That was very cool. I'm wondering if we're going to see more golfers now wearing two gloves. I might use gloves. Why don't we wear two gloves now. Couldn't tell you. I'm going to go to the reason because two gloves two gloves and they're black and they're black. And I would say like between this and the Michael Jackson movie that's out right now the right hand glove has had the best week since the OJ trial. Yeah. It's like every kid across America is going to be like I got to go out and get a right handed glove too. So I don't know. Might make a comeback. Yeah. He might be like oh shit. It's two glove season. It's my era. Where's the two glove. Me. So yeah I might. Hank have you ever tried golfing with two gloves once. No I've tried golfing with the wrong glove on. Yeah I remember that. Why a couple times. We don't even know which side you golf for. Well it was an accident. I asked for like a right handed glove and they gave me a right glove for my right hand. It's very confusing. Like I get that. That's actually it's a mind fuck when you ask somebody for a right handed glove. Yeah. Shout out by the way the guy after the third round who he was mocked for it. He had Aaron Rye sign his baby. And did you see that going viral on Saturday night. Everyone's like who in the world would ever have Aaron Rye sign your baby. That baby's worth a lot right now. Yeah. Secondary. Yeah. I'm never. He's probably going to play. He's going to he's probably going to PSA grade that baby tonight. The guys like I'm never washing my son again. This is my son's worth so much. Mint condition. He probably is like shit. I probably should have had him sign something else. Maybe my hat. Yeah. This is it is like just a ton of wholesome Aaron Rye facts coming out. So when he when he was a kid when he was 15 years old he broke the world record for consecutive putts hold from 10 feet away. He made 207 in a row from 10 feet away. Wow. Yeah. Pretty cool 207. On. I think you should try. You should test that. Oh maybe. After dark stream with Mulligan's. Yeah. With Mulligan's. And you also get to drink like two beers and then hit 100 putts and then four beers and 100 putts. Yeah. And we'll test you and don't forget other people do it. Don't forget hot chip and then hot chip and and limon eye. We'll do limon eye. Yeah. You get shot collared. But yeah. It's it's cool. Awesome. Like Hank you're you're a golf nut. Do you think that this were you satisfied with this tournament. It was a great tournament. It was exciting going into the day Sunday bunched up leaderboard. There was like 30 people within four shots. A lot of big names. Aaron Rye nice guy. Great story. OK. Boring as hell. Boring winner. The Justin Tom is going off and like getting into the league the clubhouse with like five you know five under all time blue balls. All these all these guys like Rory John Rom Cam Smith all in the hunt. It was so exciting. And it's like oh we could have a playoff. We could have like an all time moment. It was pretty boring down the stretch honestly. Like the only thing that happened was that that Rye putt for the win. But even if he doesn't hit that he probably still wins by two strokes. It was kind of a blue ball Sunday where it was like it was really exciting going into Sunday. I was like look at this fucking leaderboard like oh my god like everyone's within everyone's within four shots. Nothing happened Sunday. Great great crowd. Great great venue. Great fans. Great leaderboard going into Sunday disappointing finish. OK. What what if what if you what if we say 10 years from now Aaron Rye has won nine majors. Don't care still. No that's that's the thing about that's the thing that would be cool is it retroactively or be like yeah that was actually the coolest yeah that was awesome we saw because what golf fans when they watch when they watch their sport on TV like he comes out and he's like I like I like bars and sports advisors. Yes like that. Scott he was the same way. Yeah Scott he was bowling and then it's like all right he's like he's he's cool. They're like I want exciting guys to win but in golf really what you mean by the exciting guys is just guys that you've seen win before. Yeah big names and also your bets. Yeah. Let's just do yeah that's really just you know distill it down to you had a few you had a few lines in the water and none of them. Yeah John Rahman Kamp Smith I was I was praying on but still it was I don't know it was they're like it was a hard course. They set the course up hard and because of that there just wasn't like a ton of really birdies or anything like nothing really all that exciting happened. I'm still laughing. The best part of the tournament for me personally was we were all sitting in a hotel suite together watching the tournament. Zach got us pub subs which we'll talk about in a second. Great job Zach and he was rooting his ass off for Kamp Smith and Kamp Smith went up to take a putt for minor like 20 feet for a birdie and PFT just goes brick. He was just like you said it before he putt it it was just like why would you do that. He said I wanted to break. He was like I got Shawfully he was like who's like Shawfully. No Shawfully he finished 10th. Shawfully was in and around. I had Shawfully and Reed to finish in the top 10. Reed Patrick Reed let me tell you I think he might be the first Pog golfer like PAWG. Yeah he is he's thick as hell. Yeah. Oh yeah. He was filling out. He also wears back in the day it was Pog City. Yeah but he also Tiger was just Pogville. But now he looks like he looks like early era Megan trainer. He does and he also he does like like like fat guys usually wear you know dark shirts. Patrick reads like I'm going to wear the most ridiculous like striped like diagonally striped but very large shirts that make him look fatter. And then he wears the tight pants. He's got like yoga pants when he plays he bends over he's like oops. Yeah he's got he's got some shit going on. He's thick thicker than a bowl oatmeal. He is Patrick Reed. I love Patrick Reed story. That'd be great if that was the documentary. He comes out thicker than a bowl of oatmeal. I hate to watch him go but I love to watch him read. Yeah over I like the tournament just because I thought I like the tournaments when they're really hard. I think they're cool when it's like Scotty after Friday was like this is the hardest pin placement I've ever played. There's something about golfers complaining that just it makes me laugh every time. It's like your job. I also enjoyed the fans yelling at like just E8 Eagles at Scotty shop. Yeah that that was just funny and like go birds after every tee shot. It was very Philly. It was very Philly. There was another story about Rye again. It's just like wholesome fact overload about Rye. Great guy means you'll love this. His story is pretty much happy Gilmore. So he heard himself playing hockey when he was a kid. Aaron Rye. Yeah. Yeah. In England. He had a hockey stick. Oh he didn't play. He just had a hockey and his mom said that's him. You have his mom. Yeah said that's that's not safe. Let me get you some plastic golf clubs instead. That's much safer sport that you can enjoy. So he wanted to be like thanks mom and he was like thank you mummy. Yeah I was trying to be hard to set the hockey being a hockey player in England. Mm hmm. That's quite something. Two minutes for boarding. So we did get hurt or his mom was just like I don't want to like drive you to practice the morning. I think his mom was like that looks that looks quite dangerous. So we didn't get hurt. No but he just you wanted to be hot. His mom was probably like we don't have ice rinks in England. So you're not playing hockey. Yeah. Mums he was like those those skates sound quite expensive. Yeah. Mums he handed him a soccer ball. Try this. OK. Great. So I like the tournament. I enjoyed the tournament. I understand what you're saying Hank. You did want like a John Rom Schaeffler duo. I wanted a playoff. I got that's that's what I always wanted. I wanted a playoff and I wanted some fireworks on the back nine. Well the way that the playoff would have worked. You're going to hate it once you find out about it because you're going to be like I wish that that had happened no matter how many people had tied for the for the number one spot after they were all done with 18. They would have had chip. They would have all played in the same group for the playoff like just all teed off at the same time. If it was like five of them six of them they would all play together playing the playoff scramble. That would have been awesome. Internet invitational was 3v3 scramble scramble would get it down to three a scramble would have been awesome. OK. Other news we got the Spurs one game six convincingly against the Timberwolves. We now have Spurs OKC in the Western Conference final starting Monday night going to be awesome. And then we also had the fallout of the Timberwolves. Timberwolves are one of those teams. They are every single playoffs. You said this every single playoffs they are heard from. They they've the last three years they've upset someone. They've made a mark on the playoffs. And then when they go out we had Anthony Edwards can tapping up everyone on the Spurs with eight minutes left in the game. And then was it Nas read. I believe Nas read afterwards said essentially like we don't like we don't play as a team. Yeah. And that's why we lose. And not exactly a great quote that you want to hear. His exact quote here it is asking what they need to do to be able to catch the teams like OKC and the Spurs. He said probably just the moodiness. You look at both those teams and they're playing for one another. They're excited to be on the floor with one another another their team where they're selfless. I think we have more than enough talent but just being less moody. I think that that's just the name of the game for us just being less moody and more selfless. I feel like you could have just said Julius Randall. Yeah. I mean Randall had he had his struggles. I think it's just you know he was playing all the defense a lot on game six. They lost. They're upset. They don't know what in reality the answer is like they they need somebody to counteract Wimby which they don't have. Now in the last game of the closeout game the Spurs guards all played incredible. Castle Castle was insane. It was it was a great night for the three of those guys. And but I mean in reality if you want to catch the Spurs Wimby is going to be a puzzle that you have to figure out how to solve. I don't know if it's just like sending Rudy Gobert out there every night and just be like piss this guy off and get him kicked out. Like I think it's just you got under his skin. You got to find an even taller French guy. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. But they do feel like they're a team. I mean they're I think that they're a good team that is now getting frustrated not being able to get over that home. Correct. Correct. And they would have lost this series if anything. Edwards was 100 percent healthy I believe but it would have been maybe more competitive because when you see like they won game one which is a little bit of a shocker than they won the game that Wimby got ejected from game six. The other games were blowouts game six especially where it was like I mean do you guys do you guys have a problem with Anthony Edwards going up to the bench with eight minutes left. I have no problem with that. I thought it was a little weird. I don't I don't have like a big oh Anthony Edwards can't win with that guy but it was a little unorthodox. I mean they just like they actually couldn't win this series. Yeah they were just completely outmatched. So yeah I did you would like your superstar to not do that if you had like a an A or B choice which option do you want. Then again I I I don't know what happened in the huddle but if Chris Finch was like hey aunt you're not going back in then what the coach is basically telling you hey we're we're done we're done here. So if he's not going back in it's like all right yeah. Might as well go say congrats. Can you imagine hockey players lining up to shake each other's hands after a game. They would never do it like these guys take the game so seriously especially the playoffs. That's like that's the difference between the NHL and the NBA. That's facts. OK any other sports stories that we had from this weekend that we wanted to talk about. It was Rodgy. Yeah that was me my who's back. Let's talk about him. No Aaron Rodgers back. Aaron Rodgers back. Five million. I feel bad for Steelers fans because that is just he's not he's not the same quarterback. No. Is he better than what you have right now probably although you don't know what you have with Will Hart. Oh I think I thought you were going to say Drew Aller. Drew Aller is just you know you have a Drew Aller. No that's old Drew Aller. You thought that you knew but they just they're a complete factory reinstalled the software. You see that quote. Yeah. They're uninstalling everything he's ever learned. Correct. And they're doing brand new programs. I mean listen Mike McCarthy is a good coach the quarterback so I would guess that would be this overlining is that Rodgers and McCarthy together maybe you can recapture a little the magic but it does feel like the Steelers just put a finite floor and ceiling on their season. Yeah. Right. And it's somewhere between seven and 10 wins. That's what we're thinking. What was the relationship like with them at the end of their time. Not great. What do you think it was like at the end with Aaron Rodgers. It's usually not great. Yeah. Doesn't go well. I thought that was like why they split up. It was part of it. It was I mean it wasn't great but it was also Aaron Rodgers at the Packers overall and then I mean McCarthy left before obviously Aaron Rodgers because he had the floor but yeah I mean I think I think Rodgers also has had I mean even when he was with the Jets you could see it in some of his comments where he's just like I kind of maybe shouldn't have left the Packers because they know how to run an organization which they do so maybe he's like hey this will maybe work out again. They did have good times together and Rodgers was at his peak with him. I think although he won't I think his last MVP was with little four. You know what I think that this is the year that the Steelers want to play off game. Okay. There you go. Yeah. No I think it's a yes it's the best option that they had right now without a doubt. But again it's like what are you building like what do you what's the long term plan. I guess it doesn't matter if we start with McCarthy's first year it's like hey just try this once and then and then figure it out. It's the best option for this year. But they're gonna again I isn't next year's quarterback draft great. I mean we don't know but it could potentially be great. They're probably going to play themselves into the 16th. A spot where they can't get a quarterback. Yeah. That part would piss me off. I was a Steelers fan. Hank do you ever review of your Ronda Rousey Gina Carano fight. And that was horrible. It was horrible. It was way more yeah. It was it was really bad. Those fights are a joke. You watch the Nathias Nathias you can he can fight anytime he'll put on a show. So that was one of the most difficult things like I've ever watched on a television. More difficult than the drive we have tomorrow. That we're not talking. That's a different category. So you're uncomfortable. Max. Yes. I was so I'm so uncomfortable. You're the most difficult things to watch on the television that you've ever watched on the television. Other than Eagle or Philly's sports losses like that was up there. He was bleeding from like a really bad tragedy. You don't like see them on the like live on the television. There's one that we could you saw. He was like eight. Yeah. Well yeah I was five years old. Okay. Challenger. Yeah. The challenge. We weren't alive. That was tough. What is the challenge. I don't know what that is. Oh hey Google. Google O-rings. O-rings. They got cold in Florida. O-rings. Yeah. Space ship. They tried to launch a spaceship before it got hot out. Rocket goes. There's a teacher on there. There's a first time teacher on there. And then every school in America wheeled the TV in to watch it live because there was a teacher on there. There's a first grade teacher on there. On the challenge. Everyone's okay. No survivors. No. Survivor. No survivors. No. No survivors. Things blew up on live television in front of America's children. But yeah I guess the wrong. Yeah. The arm bar was vicious. That wasn't an arm. It wasn't an arm bar. What was it? Rhonda Rousey was an arm bar. Yeah. No I said Rhonda Rousey's arm bar. I mean Nate Diaz he was just he was just. That's what he does. He just doesn't care. He's just a fucking war. Zach you watched it. Nate Diaz is a healthier reminder. It's like there's levels to being a man. Yes. Correct. An absolute savage. Correct. Every time Nate Diaz fights you're like oh my god. I'm not a man. You think he's gonna die for the first three rounds. Yeah. You think it's a dead man. Yeah. He just eats punches and it makes no sense. It's it's the most sobering reminder of like yeah I might be bitch made because Nate Diaz. His face was a faucet of blood. Like the amount like the stream of blood that was coming out of like the pores of his face were very graphic. We might have a new MMA correspondent. With Max. Max is doing a good job. I like that. You are doing a good job. Hank you've been replaced. I'm not ready to take that. You've been replaced Hank. Fuck. And then the Canadians. What. Canadian Sabres going game seven. That's gonna be awesome. Good for hockey. Lot of you know that this series is getting serious because we got a lot of fan discourse. What it means to be a good fan because Canadian fans were leaving early when they were down eight to three. Which I understand. Yeah. But previously they had been like we don't leave. We don't leave early for these games. Wait. Canadians they won. They lost eight to three before earlier in the series are like look at Sabres fans leaving. Okay. This is bullshit. They were talking shit about the same. Yeah. And then I didn't see I guess I didn't see too much of that discourse. Yeah. It was I mean listen. Canada's it's it's a hockey country except for the gold medal in the Stanley Cups. Other than that the number one hockey country. Okay. Should we do who's back of the week. Oh also we had rivalry week in in baseball which I feel like they don't really pump that up because we had Yankees Mets Cubs White Sox Phillies Pirates Cubs need pitching. Natsos. We're in trouble. Yeah. Wheeler Schienes Wheeler PFT dropped a Nats fact on us that we're like he's like did you guys know did you let me do you let me know let me do the fact let me do the fact because it's a good fact. Did you know that and until Saturday the Nats had lost 15 straight games when they were trying to get back to 500. Yeah. When there were one game below 500 and Hank and I both are like nope. Yeah. Well that all changed that all changed because 500 they were 500 and they lost that. But we got a pup we got a dog which there's there's a strong correlation between getting like a 13 week old puppy and your season getting completely turned around. So shout out Natty the the National's pup looks like a very good boy. I just hope that he's got a couple innings out of the bullpen in him because our pitching staff stinks. Yeah Cubs need pitching White Sox are good. They're actually like this is finally like it's kind of they're not a joke. They've got some sluggers big times sluggers dude. They're not they're I don't know what the price is for them doing the A.L. Central but they they they are not a bad team. Yeah. I have a question. Becquette. Yeah. Why does PCA hate women. He actually talked about it afterwards. What happened. There was a woman in the outfield in the center field who was talking shit to him and he said I just talked some shit back. I like that. It was I think it was her engagement party or something. Maybe. And then right as right as they go they show the clip of him talking shit to her and then it's like it's like Children's Day at the park. It was perfect. So yeah I have no problem with that. A PCA is a PCA is a guy who can start like he people get mad about PCA if he's not if you don't root for the Cubs people get mad about him. If you root for the Cubs you're gonna offend him. He's a lightning rod guy. He's good for rivalries. He is. And Schwerber's also just he just hits. I mean that was insane. He hasn't had any homers in the past two days and I'm getting Nancy. You're like this guy stinks though. No not this guy stinks. It's just I'm just used to Schwerber homers every single day. So now that I've had two days without them you're going to draw although Harper has two homers in both of those days. So at least one of them is oh yeah above 500 back. Met's are the Met's back to a season defining win this weekend on Sunday. Not back but they've moved up a level from dead to scrappy. Oh that's an important step. Yeah there's still six games below 500 but they won five out of the last six. So long season. Tyrone Taylor big homerun to that. So long season. Okay. Twisted Tea. 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Go get a Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. We're pretty thin and tight end. I don't think there's a trade. No for the draft there is. That's when the pick is in. Yeah they don't do it. I think trade just goes. All right. Do the do the trade. I mean it's it's nowhere close to confirmed but what are the initial talks where we're in talks with Keon Coleman for the he's in your league Keon Coleman. Yeah he's on my team. Oh oh I thought you said you were in talks with Keon Coleman. I thought we were in talks with having Keon Coleman trading Keon Coleman so that we could draft. We're looking at Max Claire the the new Rams tight end. Oh hell yeah just because we're thin at tight end and you know a Rams tight end will be yeah you know he'll be heard from he'll be heard from he'll be heard from I'd like you to actually reach out to Keon Coleman and seek his permission to be traded. Can you tweet at him. Let him know. Sure I'll do that right now. Okay who's back the week Hank. My who's back the week I should probably just let Max take it based off our earlier discussion. Interesting. Okay go ahead Max. It's now the year the guy UFC guy. Oh UFC. Conor McGregor. Yeah Conor McGregor Dana Dana White is back right as Francis Negano is is walking out for his fight and MVP. I think it's called Dana White just dropped Conor McGregor back versus Max Holloway. Crazy. Crazy July 14th. Yeah. Okay. I think that's great work. Yeah I think that's close enough. Close enough. Can Conor McGregor still fight at all. I'll watch. Yeah. I think he's a heavy underdog. No I don't right at this moment. I would imagine it's the old you don't do road work in silk pajamas once he got very very rich. It's probably harder to be like hey I want to go get my face bashed in. He should have actually gone to prison if you wanted to get better at fighting. He had many chances. I know. He should have told his lawyer like hey I'm not going to fight let this one through. Yeah July 11th. I got to get into July 11th. I was wrong with July 14th. June 14th is the White House fight and that's where I got. Yeah. You'll be there again. I will not be there. For Conor McGregor like getting head from your wife on your mega yacht versus going and training to get your face mashed in. Yeah. Tough one. Tough tough to. It's tough to get a blow job on a mega yacht and say you know I need to work harder for my life to get better. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So he's back. So Hank you're that's your who's back. That was my who's back. Also Shams spoiling. Yes. So a piece of shit. Yeah. So he just Amazon was ready to have a big ceremony night and had like waited like they're like running away to the playoffs get going. Shops gonna piss me off. Yeah. No it's like it's just a dick move. Yeah. The dick move. Why did he tweeted out this morning that Shay was the MVP and then it came out that like Amazon had been Amazon and NBA had been intentionally like waiting delaying playing on doing this whole ceremony before game seven and they just what an asshole. They just tweeted it out. What was it tweeted out. I worked on that story for years. He just tweeted it all out. Yeah. Yeah. Dick like what's Shams deal dude. I don't know but I'm out on Amazon games. Why they are harder to find at bars. Oh I know because I brought this up the other week and you were like well all these bars they have to have Amazon packages. It's not the same. It's not. So I was in Virginia on on Friday night and I was just trying to watch the game out so I didn't have to stay in my hotel room. We're on the booth. We're on the booth guys. You got to share with the class. Yeah. Laugh it was funny Blake Griffin quote memes. What do you say. This is regarding the Shams situation. He just said it. He said it's Sunday Shams go to brunch you nerd. Yes. I love that. I love it. So that's the only good part about Amazon. I like Blake Griffin. Yes. But yeah I'm over Amazon NBA. I'm over it. You got to just watch it home. I but if you're in a hotel you don't get Amazon on the TV. I was reduced to watching on my phone the entire time. I had a watch a game on your phone for and it was two games. I had to watch about six hours of NBA nonstop on my phone sideways. That's that's a very hard thing to do. I feel like I should get a medal for that. On Friday night I think everyone had plans. Although Hank was maybe stop over but I had Rasello over because he was still in town to watch the games and no pad. He brought the no pad. It was legit. He's taking notes. We're sitting outside. What is that's performed. It's not. Watch them take. So I watch them take notes. You have a note. Tap on your phone. Now some about some about that yellow legal pad. It's easier plus it's you remember it more. A guy like Rasello the blue light he's trying to cut down on that. Yeah that's true. He's addicted to the blue light is bad. I use the other in the in the go yard. What did he pull it out of like he'd bring the go yard and then pull the no he just had in his hand. We were sitting up on my rooftop and he was he was just taking notes throughout the whole game. Rufan are off. Ruf was closed. Ruf was closed. The perugula is the word I found out is a word that people use that I didn't know Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola sounds like something I want to eat. You're combining it with Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola Pergola is a cheese. No it's a vegetable vegetable vegetable. I don't want to eat it. That rabbits hate and you're also mixing up with the bills. Oh yeah a rugula perugula and Pergola and Pergola and Pergola Pergola Pergatory. Bo Pergula Bo Pergula. You're thinking Pergola Pergola is the thing. It's the it's the thing over my head that I have a remote and it just goes roof roof closed. It's a little windy. You might actually I didn't want to yell a legal pad to blow the wind. You might have an awning now that you know that you mentioned it. No I think it's this might be an on Pergola. I really do. It's a power Pergola. What power Pergola. So on off. It's it's got like the it's got like slits that just go like that. So if I want the sun to come in. Oh so almost like a car air vent you'll go yeah yeah yeah but there's a bunch of ones and they just go like that. Appreciate it. Yeah I actually haven't never opened it up so I don't know if it opens now that I'm saying this out loud. I just assume because their slits they open. I thought that was the whole genesis of this thing was you being like the I took the I took the roof off. That was taking the stuff off the the couch. I was just taking the winter the winter covers off the couch and the winter cover off the TV. That was me opening it and then everyone's like oh do you have a roof actual roof that you open and I was like wait I actually do but I've never opened it's a Pergola. That was that was maybe the worst two minutes of podcasting ever. Go ahead PFT. Who's back. My who's back of the week is El Nino because we have a potential super El Nino coming in. I don't know if you've seen the computer models the projections of what this looks like. Just looks like a big vagina on the globe. Yep. According to the model that I've seen but then I did some research into it and it seems like this might be the biggest El Nino that we've had since like the 1800s. Yeah. Since and it was like a big thing in the world with that El Nino. There are droughts and floods. It's going to be awesome for us. Yeah. There are famines. So the Midwest is drier warmer winter. I love that. Oh in the winter. Okay. So it's only if El Nino only really affects things in the winter anyway. Okay. I watched a video about it last night. Wetter volatility in California and southern United States. It basically pushes all storms like south drier warmer in the Midwest and East Coast. What about like the Chilean fishermen that we were very concerned for the last time El Nino. I didn't remember that. Yeah. I didn't that didn't get touched on the video. The video looked like it was a broadcaster out of LA. So he was like yeah. And then the woman he told it was a meteorologist. He told the whole thing and the woman was like so I don't have to buy a boat yet. He's like not yet. I love that. That's very Yeah. I just remember the one on one. The last time there was like a super El Nino come and everyone just kept talking about Chilean fishermen. And then the other topic I remember is that 10 billion crabs died off the coast of Alaska last time. Damn. Which sounds like a fake number to me. Yeah. Like I don't want to get on Nick. How are you counting that? I don't want to get all Nick Fuentes but like 10 billion. Did everyone count every single snow crab. I mean that's a lot of crap. It seems like a lot of snow crabs. That's a lot of crabs. OK. My who's back the week is football because we have Bill Belichick coming up and it's an awesome awesome interview. Got an hour and 40. It was we also have a vlog dropping. When's the vlog dropping. The vlog is dropping Tuesday. OK. So this is where PFT got his injury. Yeah. We had a great time though at UNC. So we went out. Shout out by the way. We did see some AWLs out in Chapel Hill. I don't. I feel like people were pretty cool about not spoiling it. We did. We did play a game where anytime anyone asked us who we were interviewing we had to say someone from UNC but we couldn't repeat. So I think one guy came up to us and he's like who you guys here for. I was like James Worthy and he's like what. I'm like yeah we're interviewing James Worthy. Isn't that crazy. The guy came up. I was like yeah we're we got to interview the Eric Montrose situation. Yeah. He was like oh that's awesome. Yeah. But it was cool because we went. We got to watch practice. Hank and I got to call some defensive plays at the end of practice. Very end of practice. His spring ball. They let us you know. I think they made it pretty easy for us because there was only like three options. It was one of the coolest play. It was one of the coolest things I've ever done because we had a moment where we had like we got like two stops in a row and Bill Belichick looked back at us. It was like good job guys. And Steve Belichick and Jamie Collins. Yeah. One of the defensive like you guys are on their fucking ass. Hell yeah. It was awesome. It was awesome. It was unbelievable. But yeah shout out shout out my guy Brandon who I've known for a long time who was able to you know it's been a long time trying to get this interview done and I'm sure there'll be a few people who will be like hey how did you not ask about Jordan. They didn't tell us we couldn't ask anything. We were like hey we want to have a good football interview with the best football coach of all time. We're not going to ask about his girlfriend and potentially we're on it. Yeah I think I'll take that. I'll do that every single time to get the good interview. I think if that had happened the interview probably would have been over at that point and I did not want like we talked to Bill Belichick. They didn't tell us. We talked to him for about an hour 40 minutes and we probably could have talked to him for about three hours. There was so many there was a moment you'll hear in the interview where it's like 20 minutes left where in my head I was like wait we haven't asked a single question about Tom Brady. I was like hey Tom Brady pretty good right. And there is a moment in this interview coming up where in the last three months of this podcast I've cried from laughing too hard. The first was with Jerry O'Connell when he was doing his Geno Smith impression. Was it Seven Sundays? Seven Sunday Heroes. Yeah and then the second was when Zach was asking Bill Belichick his question this time and Belichick was trying to figure out like what the issue was and how to actually help Zach out. It was it was so funny. I hope you guys like it but again yeah they didn't ask us to not bring anything up but I do think that if we had it would just been like interview over. So if some people are mad I get it. Well I still want to interview Jordan. Yeah yeah I want to keep that open but yeah I get it. I get it if you wish that we had asked that but also at the same time it's like we were never going to get it. I don't get it because you want like if we have a chance to interview Bill Belichick who knows more about football than pretty much anyone on earth I'm going to ask an hour and 45 minutes of football questions. I agree with that. I agree with the fact that when we started the podcast there was a short list. There was a short list of five people who like dream interviews like he was top of the list. And I've been working to try to get this interview done for a long time and it finally came together so I wasn't going to be like oh you know what we're gonna we're gonna hit him with the Jordan question two minutes in. You guys did talk a lot about Jordan last year but I understand why I understand. I understand. I understand. I understand. No no no no but like it's not like whatever. It's understandable why you did. We were the only pro Jordan voices in the media to have. We want Jordan on the show. Based on how much he has brought her up in the last year. Well she was in the news. We want her on the show. Yeah. So I think we we did and we want back. I mean we've been doing this for 10 years now. Our rule is always when we have a guest on we want them to come on again. Maybe not Dak Prescott. But I think we did a good enough job that we'll have them on again. I really do. I think Bill Boucher will come back on the show. I would love to talk to him again. Yeah. And yeah I couldn't talk about about the injury over the last like three weeks. Hamstring just snapped clean off. Just watch watch the watch the vlog. Yeah. I don't I don't need surgery. There was a moment where the doctor told me he thought that I needed surgery on it. Thank God I don't. And it's way better now. But yeah I think you can hear it in the video too when it snaps off. Yeah. I will not ever make fun of somebody else for having a hamstring injury in my life. That's why I told PFT that I wanted to kick him in his leg after he got surgery when he made fun of Joel and B. Chat thought you've been so funny that time. No I was just giving context. No I was just I was giving a you did an inside joke when you said that that only the room knew. I'm also saying got it got it got it got it got it. But yes it was that is you are going to kick PFT at some point in the back now while he's not going to get surgery don't need surgery. Yeah. Healthy as a horse. I'm still retired from running but I'm healthy as a horse starting starting yoga. I'm developing an obsession with this week. Clean off. No no the MRI just said torn hamstring slight tear to the tendon don't have to get surgery on the worry was that the hamstring tendon had snapped right because he couldn't feel it in the back of my leg because there was a bunch of swelling and shit from where the the muscle itself had rolled. Yeah we're old. I'm old so it's great. That's why I'm retired from running and I'm going to go full time into yoga. Yeah but enjoy the interview because I really do think it was a great interview and I was like it was one of those interviews where we were you know I think we agreed on like 45 minutes and it just kept going and it was awesome and we got in a groove and it was like I don't want this to end. Zach your who's back. My husband who's back is going to be a professional call duty because generally we had the third major of the year today. Bush in the Challengers Division of the CdL or in the Challengers Division of Call Duty that the bush did take home the prod they shout out the bush on the trophy big win for bush that's a came in capsule pro-loop. From the losers bracket which is tough to do. Yeah knock down a loser bracket and seven game run to go grab the trophy. That's real hardware. Congrats to Moog, Jerry and Sass and the boys. Bush. Definitely and then your guy Nate Chubb, L.A. Thieves won the CdL so they beat out Optic for Nate as well. That's my guy Nate Chubb. They got it done. Also any other who's backs. No you know we have some Zach stuff at the end of the show so we have some good Zach stuff both the public's run and your trip solo trip to the club. I am glad everybody enjoyed the subs. Yeah. We'll get into it. All right let's get to the Bill Belichick interview. It is brought to you by our friends at Chevy. It is grit week. Chevy is a proud sponsor part of my take. This is a truck that is the definition of grit. Long days dirty work and showing up day after day no matter the condition strong dependable and built for the grind because grit isn't about being flashy it's about being ready when it's time to go. That's Silverado All Grit no quit. Check out the current offers and build your Silverado at Chevy.com. Go right now check out the current offers. Build your Silverado at Chevy.com. We have a Chevy Silverado that we're traveling with from Jacksonville to New Orleans. We love it. We're also in Vanny Woodhead but it was just also a Chevy so go check out the current offers and build your Silverado at Chevy.com today. That's Silverado All Grit no quit. Okay here he is. Coach Bill Belichick. Okay we now welcome on a very very very very very very special guest. It is Coach Bill Belichick, UNC Head Football Coach. It is the first interview for grit week. This first question is brought to you by Reese's. Coach thank you so much by the way. This has been an incredible day but we got to start it how we start every grit week interview and ask you what does grit mean to you? Yeah I'm not a big great guy so I don't you know definitely don't like grits for breakfast that's not one of my things either so um well like toughness competitiveness um so that's grit that's tough that's what I like I like toughness competitiveness. That's a good answer. I also so I was uh I purchased your book as a little little preview for for this interview so I wanted to you know get in the mind to build out Belichick and I noticed something right away uh you've coached some unbelievable football teams. You've won eight Super Bowls six is the head coach two with the Giants uh you say though that the 1963 Navy football team is the best football team of all time what what is it about them? Well I think they had the most impact on me I don't know it was the best team of all time but as a hell of a team it was a great group of players but it's a great group of people and so I learned so much from them about leadership teamwork being a good teammate sacrifice and um you know Stalback Tom Lynch you know Skip Orge and Campbell Johnny Sy I mean those guys are you know I've been kind of adopted by that team you know I was 10 years old but I just hung around and and uh those guys are such great people great leaders and it's such a great team like the chemistry on that team is amazing. Yeah yeah so a little bit about us we're uh we're big fullback guys we love fullbacks we created an award for the the nation's top collegiate fullback it's called the low man trophy so we we put it out every single year um one of the favorite things that we do and I'm curious from your perspective because you've coached a lot of fullbacks you've seen the game change over the years what's your what's your philosophy on using fullbacks and also how to teach fullbacks? Well like anything else you can gain advantage do it and so um when we felt like we gained advantage with a two-back set of the fullback depending on who our fullback was um then we were trying to use that and so certainly in you know goal line short yard situations format things like that but we've had some really good fullbacks and um you know James Devlin Mark Edwards you know Yock uh was you know did a nice job for us and you know you can go back to you know Cleveland and Baltimore I first came into the league um there were some you know good fullbacks nobody like Jim Brown all right but he was the best of all time but um you know it just gives you a chance to build another gap in the running game um as opposed to having two tight ends and 12 personnel up on the line when you have a fullback you can go to either side and create that extra gap and it gives you more flexibility um in your blocking schemes you know coach Barcells is big on that you know with Maurice Carthon and and you know fullbacks that he had and so I certainly learned a lot from you know the way he he employed him as well when you're looking at a fullback are you are you looking at a guy and saying okay this guy is very good at running directly into people or is there like is there an art to to blocking the shit out of people I guess is what I'm asking you know the it it's interesting the fullback is really the running back he's the eyes for the running back so he has to see the same hole that the running back sees if he doesn't then you just got a mess on your hand so that fullback needs to see where the running back would enter in and that's where he needs to go and then the backs follows him if the fullback makes bad decisions then the tailbacks kind of stuck with you know a bad picture and there's nowhere to run so um he actually has to be a very instinctive guy um to be able to you know when can I go around when can I go through when do I have to take the guy you know it's not my guy but he's more dangerous than me getting to my guy and all those decisions it's it's it gets dirty in front of you and and making those decisions having enough toughness and especially when you guys that are coming up in the line of scrimmage you know guys like Ray Lewis and you know Earl Acker and guys like that that are really coming to attack those fullbacks you know you need somebody that's that's strong powerful and tough ready to go head to head um you know we had a land and Roberts at middle line backer and James Devlin a fullback you know after about four plays in training camp that we just said that's it no more lead plays with you two guys you're just gonna kill each other so we know you're tough we know you can block we knew you're gonna take on the lead blocker all right let's you know let's try to stay healthy for the rest of camp yeah there's just some there's just some train wrecks yeah so I was able to we were able to go watch practice it was incredible to see it uh I you know I don't know what you know people outside might be like oh well coach Belichick he's not hands you were in there you were in there every single you know down you guys were playing last practice of spring offense defense uh what is it like how much have you had to change your style coaching college kids now versus pros is it you know are you looking for a specific type of guy that's different than what you're looking for in the pros or is it just footballs football well I try to do whatever I can to help improve the players in the team so whatever that consists of if it's giving them coaching points on the field off the field watching film you know talking about fundamentals you know however I can help them you know reach their goals play better and help our team reach its goals that's what I do it's it's fun it's a lot more opportunity to coach really at this level than than in the NFL and and I thoroughly enjoyed it I enjoyed you know coaching all the groups in practice um you know I can really yell at anybody it's it's fair game so yeah head coach you need take out anybody you want yeah and it's actually a lot of fun yeah I would imagine like being able to watch because you know once you're a pro you're a pro and yeah obviously the coaching is very important but in terms of like watching a freshman and the leaps and bounds they can make it's probably pretty cool to see guys come back you know your second year and be like oh wow they put on muscle and they've they figured out the game a little bit more and being able to see that growth probably at a more rapid rate than what happens in the pros absolutely there's no question about that they improve a lot they improve very fast and and really in a very short amount of time sometimes you know three to six to nine months it's it's almost like watching a different player so that's very gratifying to see that type of improvement they don't improve that fast in the NFL they improve but but not at that rate yeah and so it's um you know if the kid is um open minded willing we'll listen and then we'll we'll really work at the skills that he needs to work on again they can improve very quickly both physically and from a fundamental technique standpoint yeah and I might have read this situation incorrectly but Hank and I were calling some plays on defense with your son and you look back at us at one point and I I think the look was like damn you guys are calling some good defense yeah was that true is that was that a fair look yeah you made a couple good calls really stopped the offense here you stopped and called it felt good then we then we lost but for a brief second there I think Hank and I both were like I think we might just be on the UNC staff now like this might just be our future yeah yeah you guys are on a roll for sure yeah you have about four or five calls on a road it just like you stopped the offense yeah like you're in a huddle you're into play yeah chess match yeah when uh when you're talking about yelling at the different position groups do you have to change how you yell at a kicker as opposed to like how you yell at a linebacker how you yell at a safety I don't yell I just emphasize you emphasize I just emphasize points yeah I don't yell which position group is the most fun to emphasize points too um honestly I enjoy all of them I really do I enjoy all of them you know I love to get on the quarterbacks and the receivers the skilled players and you know but certainly defensive players because you know I like that you know defensive play style special teams same thing offensive linemen you know those guys need to be some of the toughest players on the team and you know it's good to get after them see them respond to tight ends and offensive lines so honestly I enjoy all of it yeah I do I enjoy coaching every position they're all challenging they're all different um that's the great thing about coaching special teams you know I start off as a special teams coach and other than the quarterbacks you coach every position on the field and so it's you know the mentality of a defensive back compared to an offensive linemen or a linebacker compared to a receiver is so different and the personalities are different regardless each personality is different and of every player I get that but as positions they're very very different and it's a great learning experience to understand how to handle different um different players that kind of look at the game differently you know toughness is a is a it's an interesting thing in football you know you see guys on defense that are tough they'll go run in there they'll make these tough tackles and then you look at a receiver who's going to go over the middle and catch a pass and he's going to get cleaned out he's going to get clobber and he still hangs on and makes a catch it's a different kind of toughness it's a different kind of mental toughness like a julien edelman toughness compared to a laurence taylor toughness they're both tough players but in different ways and and so it's kind of interesting yeah yeah so speaking of special teams and getting the opportunity to coach everybody one of my favorite calls that you ever made was the drop kick the dug fluty drop kick and you know that was a chris burman call okay that's i was gonna ask you about i gotta give chris burman a credit on that one he's the one who told me hey you know fluty could drop kick and i'm like no not really and he said yeah he absolutely i seen i saw him do it up in canada and he could drop kick what do you think about doing it i said all right let's see here and so i go to fluty and said can you drop kick he goes on yeah sure no problem so he's drop kicks a couple and said all right well the last game of the year we put in the drop kick so it was a different formation right there's no you know he's back there kicking and we had an extra guy we actually split him out they had that somebody go out there and cover him so we there's like four minutes left to go in the game and five minutes left to go in the game something like that and uh we're we're moving the ball we got the ball down like maybe around 20 yard line or so and i look over to dug and i said dug um are you ready to go in the drop kick and he's like well i haven't warmed up i mean i haven't i'm like look dug if you want to do it then don't do it okay but what do you want me to do we're about to score a touchdown are you going there kick it or we'll kick the extra point i mean what do you want to do i'm ready coach i'm ready i'm ready good answer exactly right i mean i what do you want to give him the opportunity this isn't like baseball where you got you know hey we're just warm up in the bullpen we'll bring in after two or three more batters i mean we're if we score kick it yeah so we sent him in so we score we sent him in there and he and he kicked it and it was i mean it was the first one since 1940s 30 something i forget what it was now but it was like you know 75 years or something yeah it's a great kid and i was gonna ask you about that because i thought stupidly i'll raise my hand i got this one wrong i thought maybe the schwam had embellished that story to us that he told you to call it but credit to him he knows ball he did he yeah he turned me on to it and i said i mean you know i'm a football historian i mean you got a chance to drop kick it you got an extra guy in protection right yeah so you don't have to worry about you know you know one more got a block and you know Doug just popped it through yeah that's incredible i love it i saw so i have a coffee company and i saw a quote that uh broke my heart but also was probably the coolest football guy quote of all time you said i don't drink coffee i get all my energy from football is it do you actually not drink coffee i can't stand coffee okay i can't i can't stand to look at coffee can't stand i'm gonna cut all this i can't stand smell of coffee i can't even eat coffee ice cream and i can eat anything that's sugar yeah the coffee ice cream it just i it's terrible i hate it yeah so so when they say yeah can you make coffee no i can't make coffee and where do i want coffee you want you make it yourself i'm not making coffee i don't even know how to make it so if you if you were like a shot of espresso which you might not even know because you don't drink any coffee like that's you know that's a lot of extra caffeine what's the shot of espresso of football where you're like i need some extra i need an extra kick of football do you put on film of something specific where like this is where my energy comes from yeah if you see something that looks good and you feel like man that's gonna be a good player you know if we do this we can make a make a play on this or you know it's something that can stop something that they're doing yeah that's an energy that's an energizer for sure so like you could be you could be like dragging ass in the afternoon you're like just give me a piece of tape let me watch it real quick all right i'm ready to go i mean look if i wanted if i wanted energy i'd go to my cinnamon tea okay you know i'd hit that but i wouldn't drink coffee if there was nothing else to drink it just this is heartbreaking are you anti caffeine in general no oh hell no it's just coffee just coffee just coffee just coffee yeah you get with like an energy drink or any kind of tea yeah no i drink tea i drink you know you know soda coax whatever but you know coffee not a chance okay all right so pick one i don't care how much milk you put in i don't care how much sugar you put in i don't care how much whipped cream you can't you can't bury that taste yeah it's still it's still the worst p r ever for me to go through yeah and oh you really hate coffee this is no that's fascinating let me test you right now gun to your head coffee or the new york jets not go to the jets oh wow that's a man who eats coffee remember undefeated unscored on head coached in the arch just twice yep never lost the game never gave up a point that's a great point did you ever think like maybe i should have grabbed like an envelope or like a half torn sheet of paper to write my resignation letter on yeah in retrospect i don't think that was the greatest choice yeah i don't know it got the message across it certainly did yeah it did in a very uh um no no it it wasn't real it wasn't the classiest thing i've ever done i'll say that yeah put it mean i wasn't i wasn't in a mood i was in a mood at that time yeah yeah i mean i say it probably worked out for you though well i mean i had worked for modell and the two trains that were coming down the tracks were dolin and woody johnson and i just felt like i'm don't feel comfortable working for whichever one of those guys ends up with the team nothing personal i just you know i'd had a bad experience and i was either i'm gonna work for a good owner or an owner that i felt comfortable with it was shared a vision with or i'm not working for that yeah so you know was that was that last season in cleveland the toughest year of your coaching career because you know knowing the team's moving everyone's like basically out the fans are going after you guys and you have to coach a football team oh yeah it was unprecedented yeah i mean you've never seen anything like it the stadium was literally empty there wasn't a one sign one billboard sign for anything it was as barren as it could be and then of course in the last game against sincernati you know we had to turn around three times because we couldn't get close enough of the dog pound because they were throwing peltaness and they were taking those big seats and on the steel seats and they were unscrewing them and tossing them over the upper deck i mean it was it was there was some violence there yeah yeah it was it was terrible because the cleveland fans had lost their team and we were still there modell was gone um of course he never came back and you know you're just kind of stuck there and and everybody was they were really upset at us because we didn't make the decision to move but we represented what the browns were and um you know i mean that team the town loves football i mean north northeast ohio you know western pennsylvania i mean just cat and i mean that's as football as it gets yeah they know football they love football and of course they were devastated and so you know we were the ones left to you know kind of feel their wrath um but honestly we weren't happy about it either yeah yeah yeah no that was a bad position for you guys to be in and we've noticed that too over the years western pennsylvania eastern ohio youngstown uh there's something about that area that produces fantastic coaches too in your experience have you have you noticed that like there's a lot of guys that that come out of that you know small area that end up becoming really really successful football coaches right well i mean of course my dad was some struthers which is a suburb of youngstown so he was five miles outside youngstown there were several coaches there ron lin gerry angelo guys like that who you you know he he knew uh they he he was a little older than they were but you know they also came out of struthers um so yeah i mean it's it's football i mean that's as football as it gets yeah it is yeah i got a question about your dad because did he have a photographic memory you you explaining what his job was seems impossible that's scouting advanced scouting a team with no tape no replay you just have to go and watch the one play and then you have to figure out exactly how they're blocking it what they're running it what what their tendencies are that's an insane like task to do and he was able to do it exceptionally well what like did he have a photographic memory or was it just meticulous in knowing the game through and through well i think what i saw was preparation yeah so he knew what he was looking for you know here the plays they run you know when this guy comes in the game you know be ready for this this guy comes the game be ready for that now of course that was back when most players went both ways right before the head even substitution but regardless and when he would see certain formations you know he could anticipate plays but he trained his eyes well you know as soon as the linemen set for pass and put his eyes downfield he saw the pattern he saw the coverage the line run blocked and he picked up the run blocking not worried too much about who the receivers were blocking although that might come into you know the periphery later at the end of the play but you got one look at sent you go one look at the kickoff return you got one look at the kickoff coverage you got one look at the punt return and you know he would write fast and you know then when there was a time out or at the end of the game you know he'd go back and you know kind of clean up some of the notes and everything but i mean he he you know he didn't miss a play i mean yeah it didn't matter whether it was kickoff return or blitzes or play action passes or whatever like he could identify the play and then when the film came in which was usually late sunday night for the saturday college games so usually he wouldn't get the film until late sunday night then to try to get that done for the coaching staff on monday then as i got older he would let me help him with it so i would go through and and you know he'd maybe take half of it i take the other half of it and i'd draw the formation draw the play you know draw what i saw him do then he would go back look at it double check it but it was a lot faster because a lot of the you know the legwork had been done yeah tight splits or that was 83 85 whatever and so that's kind of how i learned it and then he would you know correct me like you know well this isn't really what happened he was supposed to block him but he you know he screwed it up and so you know this is what should have happened on the play type of thing yeah and so you know putting the game into the into the film that came in was you know incredibly you know helpful but he was also there i mean you know he was an hour or you know whatever an hour and 10 minutes before the game time in the snappers time in the punters hang times you know seeing who handled the pun returners who were the kickoff returners who's a long snapper you know charting all the punters punts and everything even in pregame warm-up so i mean it was a full it was a full evaluation of that team he wasn't a personnel scout he wasn't there a scout players like well this guy's a good center right as a good tight end like that's not what he really was doing he was looking at what the teams plays and strategies were and and other things that you can you know pick up as well based on you know sometimes things on the sideline you know you see the head coach talking to you know maybe somebody on and it's a fake pump or you know stuff like that i mean there's a lot of little nuances that you know he he really had an eye for yeah that i learned along the way well how old were you when you first was there a moment in your childhood where it started to click where you're like okay this is what i want to do like this is the this is this is it well my dad was going every weekend right he never stayed at the navy games he was going every weekend so if navy was playing you know penn state next week then he would go to state college or or whoever they were playing maybe they were playing you know bc whoever it was he would go to that game so you know if i was good and you know he did my homework and you know then i could go on a trip with him and so we went to various trips you know to penn state to army to william and mary to mariland to pittsburgh to virginia you know driving distance type things and so when i would go you know with him then i would sit next to him in the press box and watch him do it you know but it was great because i you know spend all the time with your dad and again whether you're going to west point or state college or charlottesville or williamsburg or wherever it was you know that was part of the trip too you know and we would look for you know he could use bookstores you know and pick up some of the you know use books that he collected or you know stuff like that so and then you know ride back with him talk about the game and stuff so you know i'm seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen forty five you know and then eventually you know i went uh even when i was in college after our season was over i went with him to west point and that's when i first met coach barcells oh wow so wait so that was when you were in college you met coach barcells yes and then and then from there so coach barcells was at vanderbilt yeah and they were playing army my dad had known coach barcells when coach barcells was at army right with with coach khillon like sixty seven eight nine somewhere in there but then when bill came back as a vanderbilt coach with coach slone and they played army my dad was their scouting army and you know and then that was my first introduction to bill you know we both kind of remember that like that's how we met was you know through my dad so i went to coach marcher broda with the with the colds and who i knew a couple of people on his staff pete mcculley was the receiver coach george busels's special teams coach frank lawdiver uh who's another ohio guy that my dad knew who was formerly a head coach of iowa it was four or five people on his staff um and why he develops the offensive line coach who worked in my dad's football camp and so you know i said why don't you go talk to them and see you know what they have well coach marcher broda had come over from the redskins with coach allen and coach allen had like 23 assistant coaches right i mean he had like you know the battalion and at the colds um who were they were incredibly cheap um so they only had eight coaches and that was it there's nobody else and so when i went to coach marcher broda he said well yeah we'd love to have you but i mean we can't pay you anything we can't you know like we can't do anything for you but if you want to come here and work we got stuff for you that you could do i'm like yeah i'm that's all i don't care about anything like can i stay in the dorm and he said yeah you know and said you know after the after we broke training camp he got me a room with the howard johnson's by friendship at that time friendship airport was bwi because that's where he was staying because he came over from washington kept his house in false church and so he was staying there and so ted whitey devils george busels and i all stayed in the howard johnson's right next to right next to the airport and so every morning we would get up have your coffee they would and ted was very disciplined honestly for i don't know four or five months you had the same thing for brexit's every single day i mean that's a you know that's what anyway i was it i was like two eggs over medium bacon you know just same thing yeah same thing yeah i mean they didn't even get asked for his order yeah so every morning i would drive them the other three coaches whitey george and ted to the office and so i was like a little mini staff meeting and then at the end of the night i drove them home so it was like another mini staff meeting ted and whitey would talk about their game plan on offense and ask george about the kicking game what are we gonna do about you know pun return whatever and so it was and i was working on defense with maxi bon so it was it was an incredible experience and because ted was so understaffed every time he needs something done it was billy can you do this billy can you do that give me these stats on this can you look up this can you do that yeah i mean whatever you want so i actually got to do a lot even though i wasn't qualified to do anything yeah because just because i was available and you're somebody to do it you know every time yeah yeah every time you need somebody to do something so about halfway through training camp um joe thomas comes over and says you know like ted says you've really been doing a good job of see you're working pretty hard out here on the field you know we're gonna start paying you 25 a week like great that's the one i was making so so 22 something after taxes but honestly it's probably about always worth yeah so it it's interesting you've seen so much football you've been around so much so so after that yeah so then so now the season like the colts okay so the colts were two and twelve the year before bird jones comes in this quarterback we're one and four we win the next nine games we're 10 and four we win the asc and we lose to pittsburgh in the playoff game um you know and kind of a heartbreaker we're down by like four or five points and we're driving and we're on the like 10-yard line uh ham and your steps pass runs back 90 yards for a touchdown so we gotta beat so now the season's over and so general manager to thomas you know comes goes to ted and says you know ted's like well i'd like to keep this guy and i said look i mean ted i like i know i'm placed on the car so you know can we do something there and joe said well no we you know once you come back for training camp next year i was like well you know it's it's six months away i mean i really and ted's like look we got a lot of work to do we got a breakdown film and this and that and everything else and joe was like there's no way like when i'm you know when i'm paying him stay paying me 25 a week so okay so then coach for zano offered me a position in detroit and then coach holt became head coach of the jets and that was i already had already gone to detroit then coach holt's got the jet job i probably could have gone there with him but i already gone to detroit and so i mean i could end up with coach holt's then he'll stay for a full year and with the jets the stuff that you're talking about with your dad the the things that he would log for each game and the things that he would pay attention to technology has changed so much about the game the game itself has changed a lot too but out of what he taught you and what he actually did for his job how much of that is still relevant to what you do in terms of coaching and advanced scouting today well it's relevant i mean look advanced scouting you get a film of the game you know five minutes after the game's over so it's not that but what is relevant is coaching right so like when you walk out there on the field and you watch the play i mean you know there's no scoreboard there's no out here in practice right i mean there's no replays there's no like you get one chance to look at the play and tell the guy what he did wrong or you know and coach and so how do you see the play and and how you're able to coach you know i would say multiple players like i think i can see you know enough play and again depend on what the play is it's a pass a lot of times you know i'll go down field and you know see the route the coverage see that part of the play or so forth um but that's that is that's real football and even though now especially in college where you can you know look at the ipad and run the place back and all that it wasn't always like that you know and there was days in the nfl when you just had the polaroid shots which i would say one polaroid shot could give you some information but not not a ton you know and so you still had to see the game and and that was really what became valuable to me was yeah the scouting that all got as you said out technology but in the end what was valuable was when you actually watch the game that you're coaching in right or practice that you're coaching to be able to see what you need to see to be able to help your your team yeah it makes a lot of sense yeah um is there one or maybe two specific game plans that you look back on you're like that's like when i think about what coaching and getting a team prepared for like i really just did my job maybe it was the ram super bowl maybe it was a second ram super bowl which by the way i bet the over in that game thanks a lot for that uh yeah you're about 20 points short right try 50 points 50 points you had them in hell uh but is there is there one that you look back on you're like that that game plan everything i did there i just was so dialed in and i had the team ready to go well one of the um i mean first of all like i don't think game plans don't really win a lot of games players win them you know and when you're at the giants your coach and laurence taylor and harry carson pepper johnson and carl banks and letter marshal and all that um you know i mean you're coaching some really good players the one of the most interesting games for me was when i got to baltimore the first project that maxi bond made me do was to go back and look at the rams who beat the redskins in 1974 and the playoffs and the rams came out with in a two tight end offense and 12 personnel and they put the tight ends on either side and washington's defense was all based on two backs in the backfield right so strong side weak side so four on three three on two there's a lot of different combinations but that's that's george alan's defense four on three three on two well when you put two tight ends in the game and the back can go either way well either side is the four on three side or either side is a three on two side and so if you're now three on three and four on two you got problems yeah and rams killed them they killed them so maxi said i want you to break down that game because i know we're gonna see this again because it it killed the red skins so i broke it down i go through i watched the whole game we never saw a 12 person i'm not one play not one play but then we get to detroit and i'm coaching the tight ends and coach charlie sanders who's been obviously a hall of fame awesome player and we draft david hill that david hill was the hell of the tight end a great player in his own right out of texas anon so we're sitting there with two tight ends we're one and four kenships the offensive coordinator we're sitting there we're one and four and um and we're playing the patriots and the patriots have like beat the beat the raiders like 40 to 10 they beat somebody else miami like 39 to seven i mean they had just steamrolled three teams and really good teams and and so and we were we're one and like i said one and four i think it was as i said to kenships what do you think about david hill charlie sanders and and he immediately caught on it's like oh yeah if they rotate this way we go that way if they rotate that way we go this way so we're being like 35 to 14 i mean we killed them well from that point on that formation has always been detroit in the new england verbiage hmm so fritz schirmar ronnie hart bill parcells who went there in 1980 it's always been detroit detroit formation and we didn't end up having a great year but that particular game and the way that that unfolded kind of was you know kind of a i got it from the rams very okay but it was kind of a front runner of the 12 personnel that has become pretty popular in a league even you know when joe gibbs was run um and don coriel and those guys are running all their one back stuff out in san diego they were doing a little bit differently but it was kind of the same idea yeah and to be able to come out where the strong side is either side and defensively if you declare what your strong side is then you know you got problems on the back side yeah and so charlie sanders and david hill i mean like i mean they're running you know seam routes and flag routes and wheels and everything on linebackers and you know i mean they just couldn't cover them yeah i mean that's that's a great game plan you've had some great games as a coach can i give you maybe my maybe your worst game plan of all time oh well there's plenty of those yeah you might not have thought of this one for a while uh the pro bowl oh yeah that was yeah we're now we we're now 42 to seven with 10 minutes ago in the second quarter yeah yeah you really fucked that one up i mean it's impossible to give up the 42 points in 20 minutes yeah how did that happen oh we got strip sack we fumbled welcher fumbled it got stripped and ran it back for a touchdown i think they returned a an interception and a fumble and maybe a might have been a kick return in there somewhere yeah um and we scored like 14 points i mean it wasn't like 42 to nothing maybe 42 to 740 to 14 something like that but i'm looking up there and it's 42 points and we're not even halfway through the second quarter i'm thinking i saw all right three times 42 i scored 120 points if they were going yeah i mean i i don't want to say poor coaching but i mean you you look at the phone when you can't help but notice that and then that was bad it was bad yeah so then we get into the it was going in a halftime and you know in a pro bowl like nobody says anything right but i mean i mean i was pissed off like i said and we're walking back out and like four or five players are like you know because i've never heard anybody swear at a pro bowl again i said well the way you assholes are playing like honestly like you deserve it and goes yeah i know we we definitely deserve it but like you know i've just never heard a coach get the upset about a pro bowl this is that was a bad bad day i mean it was like it was like 42 points in 20 minutes it was unbelievable you couldn't you couldn't score 42 points if you try against air like if there was no defense out there you couldn't i mean it would take you more time than that right and then you guys got desperate and you tried to run on a fake punt directly into shawntaylor's face what was that play call about well morman who was really fast right yeah morman ran like about four or five and so he fake punted us at buffalo right and there's like fourth and eight or whatever and he ran and he got like 10 yards and so that pissed me off and pissed off sealy too the special teams coach and so we're like what's guys really fast the pro bowl you know i was really expecting us to fake the pawn so like you know let's go ahead and put it in you know you good with it morman yeah yeah sure he's good with it we call it and i've never seen anybody get hit as hard as shawntaylor hit him i was just telling jackie yesterday his daughter who goes to school here we were talking about that play and that was a totally yard sale his helmet his ear pads his chin strap his mouthpiece his I mean he's over by the team doctors yeah he's like 10 yards out of bounds underneath the team doctors and a denison over everybody and i'm never seen anybody get hit so hard yeah and i'm like bread i mean he's like a coach he finished the game when he finished the game he popped back after that he didn't pop back up but he finished the game yeah he finished the game that is that is one of the hardest hits i have ever seen yeah that was it oh my god yeah probably my favorite player shawntaylor i grew up a redskins fan so loved watching him play yeah but you had a great game plan uh that year against the red i think you guys scored like 56 points or yeah or something like that that was a big win but shawntaylor he did take your punter out that one time so we'll call it even in the pro bowl yeah i mean if you go to top 10 hits all the time yeah top 10 hits that's gotta be like i mean that's as hard a hit as as you can find yeah it all goes back and he saw him coming too you know it's one thing like when the guy's coming over the middle catch a pass and he can't see you know and the guy just annihilates him yeah but morman saw him coming yeah and man he sure he'd take that pun against you yeah yeah that put the seed in your head like yeah that you you're learning so i also you talk about that like always learning and just constantly learning and football is something that you just always learn i also heard you say that randy moss taught you what real speed is no absolutely it was it that different than everything else you had because you had coached a lot of football before randy moss went to the patriots never anybody like that never anybody like that what what exactly i mean we had michael jackson roger kahr the colt but but randy randy is such a smart player and look i've never been fast okay so i don't know what it's like to if i'm running they're gonna catch me and i'm chasing them i'm not gonna catch them yeah okay so i don't know what it's like to be faster than everybody else i don't know what it's like to be able to be even with somebody and be able to outrun them by five yards with 20 or more yards to go and so randy you know he explained to me like how to how he would use his speed and how he didn't feel like he was really able to do that at minnesota and and oakland you know that it was like well you got to run a go route well they're rolled into me and the safety's over the top i'm like yeah we're not gonna throw you the ball and he said exactly you know they get pissed off because i'm not running as fast as i can but honestly there's nowhere for me to go and if they throw me the ball it's going to get intercepted so i'll tie up both guys but i mean i can't you know and so i said well look what if we do this what and he goes yes that's what we need to do we need to run at the free safety we need to run to have field safety if they roll outside on me then we got to go inside i can't just you know the guy's 25 yards on top of me i can't run past them this is no way i said yeah i wouldn't expect you to so half of his touchdowns in 2007 came when he was in the slot or he was the outside receiver but he motioned or lined up in a in a position that would have been where the slot receiver lined up so if there was a middle of field safety he would run right at the middle of field safety and if the guy overplayed him he'd break back to the outside and if the guy played him high then he crossed his face and go to the far pile on the first quarter of the Jets game that he ran that pistol round touched down against the Jets and you know just took off from there and if it was a half field safety he'd run right at the half field safety and those guys are scared to death and a lot of times they were like 30 yards deep and so he could just go wherever he wanted to go they were so deep it was like trying to cover Tyreek Hills some of the same issues we had with Hill where you line up so far on top of them that you give up so much space in front of them that when he catches it now you can't even tackle the damn guy right so Randy 23 touchdowns but he explained to me how you know how to use his speed like here's how I can use my speed can I what about on this route can I do this I'm like explain that to him he goes well if I see him there I'm gonna go here I'm like yeah sure and Brady okay who could process it and embrace it and understand it you know made it work and so they weren't it wasn't like he was making up routes it was like I'm gonna go here and if there's space I'm going into that space and if there's no space then I'm going into this space right okay makes sense and he could do it yeah and and there wasn't a deal where Tom was like oh I thought he was gonna go here he went there I thought he was gonna go there anyone here like when Randy made the decision he always made the right decision yeah yeah and so like hearing that story though the I would imagine when you traded for Randy Moss you didn't expect to line him up inside you know and have half his touchdowns come from there no but as we started talking about it and and Randy's look Randy's I love Randy or he's like you know and at Wester did 20 look coach I'm lying inside I go deep I am run a two-yard crossing right over the middle yeah you throw that to somebody else yeah okay all right I got it no problem but yeah you know when I traded for Randy you know I talked to coach Davis for like two months and Mike Lombardi was there too Mike was at the at the Raiders I talked to Mike trying to trade for Randy back and forth back and forth back and forth it took two months I mean it was like a glacier moving and finally there's a two-day draft and mr. Davis calls me up and says I looked you want to do this trade or not I said well yeah I mean but do try and do it for two months like yeah I'm not cold feet now you guys all right we want your kick in the fourth round from Moss and that's it and we had like the six pickings in the fourth round it's a two-rounder two-day draft so okay so I said um well look he's making $11 million a year like I got to get a whole Randy we got to bring him in for a physical and we got we got to fix this contract because we don't have $11 million for the cap space to make the trade he goes look at that that's your problem if you want them you figure it out like all right so it's like midnight so I call up Randy get his number Randy it's Coach Pellichick what who is this? Slams Fondant Randy who is this don't play no tricks on me who is this who is this who's calling I said this is Coach Pellichick for them Randy don't please don't hang up don't hang up listen to me listen to me this is Coach Pellichick from the Patriots please listen to me seriously what why would you call me so we just traded for you was it to New England? I said yeah I know look here's what you got to do like you got to come to New England you got to take a physical we got to redo your contract but it is not it was by when so the draft starts at noon tomorrow this is like 1 a.m. it goes I'm at a club in Houston yeah so well what do you want me to do like this is what we need to do to make this trade happen mm-hmm Randy goes I'll be there I'll be there all right hangs up the phone next morning he comes into Joelette Stadium at like 7 30 a.m. I don't you know got his plane got his guy got a car whatever he shows up there 7 30 all right you know go take physical take physical contract we don't you know we're gonna do that this contract it was I don't care I said well if you're making 11 million dollars and we can't forget to pay you that it goes well what do you want it to be so well how about three and we'll do incentives to nine it was fine call bus bus code call bus get it done this guy's took an eight million dollar pay cut yeah bus could probably like that okay so sign the contract now he earned all nine million yeah I mean no doubt about that so but that's how willing he was yeah and so we got that done it's noon call back mr. Davis deals done we got it okay boom so they take our fourth round pick we got Randy so now it's like you know 12 30 1 o'clock we're in the middle of the draft and Randy's like where's my playbook like look Randy we're like we're trying to do this draft say it was I want that playbook because this is now April and we'd already started off season program now granted we weren't like you know all out balls to the wall but we're doing our pro you know we're in the off season program Randy says look I need that playbook because when I go out there with Tom Brady and the rest of the offense I might go out there and make a bunch of mental errors like I got to have this offense down cold so you give me that playbook right now and I want to have it down by Monday morning when I go out there with the team what a godsend yeah so I'm like that said Josh do we have a playbook and he goes well you know we haven't really run him off yet I said look Randy wants playbook Josh said got it boom so go we'll give him a playbook he goes out there Monday he goes I need no all the signals I can't have Tom Brady's signaling and my dumb ass mrs. signal or running along route he was I'm not doing that I want this and I'll have it down cold and he did he goes out there on you know he goes out there with Welker and you know we trade for Welker too right that same year and he goes out there and I mean never never missed anything and then like I said really helped coach me to understand how to use his speed yeah fourth round pick always learning not bad not a bad trade yeah Randy was incredible yeah he was incredible yeah I got kind of a weird question for you about your attire I know people talk about the sleeves a lot I've always seen the sleeves as there's there's definitely some sort of utility behind the three-quarter sleeve cut off that I just don't know there's got to be a purpose for it a reason why why you would cut those sleeves off short arms you know if I don't cut them off then they like hang over my wrist and they're in the way and so I don't I've got short arms so I I just cut them you in Ruben Bay yeah it's I feel like that was fucked up with him I'm sorry about that you shouldn't have said that why why no he just gave a look like you're gonna compare me to Ruben Bay no well yeah I always assumed that there was like some sort of pocket access that I wasn't seeing like because there's a reason for everything that you do on the side no honestly I'm out there in high school and you know like junior high high school college like I mean I've always cut them off and it's just my arms are short and if I get you know they're just they're too long they hang over my wrists and my hands and I try to roll them up and I fall down again so just cut them off yeah yeah that's smart yeah um can I do my weird question yeah yeah I got I got also a weird question you're obviously you know best head coach of all time should be in the hall of fame we don't have to get into that it's crazy we thought it was crazy at the time it still is crazy you're prepared better than anyone you've won all these super bowls but we have a theory and you could tell me if this is way off the one time that you are seen flustered or not prepared is and it maybe it's only happened a few times in your career the challenge flag when you know there's really nothing to challenge and you're not going to win it but you're just frustrated and you want like time to pause for a second yeah I mean like that was the man you can catch in the giant super bowl it was right from me I saw his feet in but I'm like well you know what I mean it's a big play just you know and then you watch the replay and it's like right yeah yeah so we were right that there is the every now and then it's like I just I don't like how what has just transpired let me just pause for a second well I mean again I was I mean like again taking a shot at I hope that yeah maybe I didn't see something that was there the the worst one was the was the super bowl against the Rams and so you know we're playing in Mercedes Benz right and so they have the big scoreboard over top was right and so I tell the players all week like look keep your eyes on the field I want to be looking to send you into the game you're up there watching the game and you know you're watching a replay and whatever I said you keep your eyes on the field so we're in a second quarter and we're I mean they haven't got maybe a first down and I'm much yep happy over I know and you throw a sideline route over in front of their bench and you know it's a close play but it's on the other side of the field and so I'm and then and then they kind of start to come to the ball right and so you know I'm I'm watching and like all right well so they're gonna you know officials call it a completion so they're coming to the ball it's like all right what are we gonna call here like you know what are they doing they're going fast so look when a team goes fast that's actually a good thing because you can see the formation they're in right you don't have to guess there's a three-bomb one it's a two by twos and what you know you kind of look out there and say all right there's the formation let's go and make the call and the players beside me are saying like he's out he's out and we got one foot in he only got one foot in but I'm not going to look up at the screen because I've told these guys for like six days straight do not sit there and watch the screen keep your eyes on the field because that's where the action is the screen is for the fans and they're like coach coach tell me I want foot in I want to fit in so just as the ball is about to be snapped I think like I think it was brandable it grabs me I look up and I see he's got one foot in and I'm like oh Christ and now the ball's snapped and it's too late and they look at me like great job coach but I had you know I said don't do this and I was too disciplined and I'd do it and then 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tradition the Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte Motor Speedway Sunday May 24th 6 p.m. Eastern only on prime and now here's more coach Bill Belichick so we have our producer over here Hank Hank is a massive Patriots fan part of the Brady 4 he actually went to he went to jail for Tom Brady yeah he locked himself uh handcuffed himself in the league office and spent a night in prison do it again yeah so did that cross your desk when when uh the Brady 4 got locked up did you did somebody come and tell you like hey just so you know sir there's four Patriots guys that handcuffed himself to Roger Gidell's desk yeah so was that when porno I got yeah he was with them he was in jail oh no Dave got dragged out of Super Bowl Super Bowl yeah before that he and Dave and Gazz and Feidlberg went to the league office and protesting and they went to jail for a night right yeah I mean I do remember that but I mean it wasn't you know kind of like kind of like porno getting dragged out I was like you know because the video that's hysterical oh yeah I mean he's getting evicted the whole thing right I mean that's hysterical the dead legs yeah dead legs dead like skinny jeans but um but I mean I didn't really get to engage or follow up on I mean I'm sorry I do appreciate the support yeah of course and then you know when Matt Patricia wore the t-shirt with Gidell that was another one that's like I don't know if this is really gonna like ingratiate us but it's good t-shirt I'm sure it did yeah there's no doubt all right hey do you have a question yeah I mean obviously I grew up in situate from uh 96 till 2016 dude you made me in like an entire generation of of kids feel like winners because of uh your team so thank you first of all I appreciate that I really do I really appreciate that and those those uh comments or stories from people who say you know I went to the game with my dad or our family always watched the game and those are some of the best memories of my childhood or my relationship with my whoever son father whatever like those are such meaningful stories I mean I just want to tell you like seriously that those hit home because when you're a coach you don't like you don't know you're just trying to make a first down or stop one and and then you find out like you had such an impact on somebody's life or relationship you're like wow you know it's really I'm you know I actually did something good I wasn't trying to do it but I actually did something good beyond good yeah I mean it drives these guys nuts because it's like you're like you're so cock and it's like yeah growing up rooting for a team that was just always like we would joke it's like you know wake me up from the playoff start because we know we're gonna be there and that's all that's dude that's why I'm gonna say like maybe it's not always a good thing you're a guy like that say you you spend your entire year like play to play focusing like next play Hank's like yeah I don't really care it's like a process of yeah building you I think you preach it a lot like you don't you don't go to the mountaintop in 15 minutes Hank did yeah you taught you actually taught Hank to skip the process but yes thank you from the bottom of my heart my question though I was watching an interview with Matt light on julie nettleman's podcast and he was talking about you know practical jokes that he's played over the years and I was wondering if there was one there was one in particular that like might have pissed you off in the moment but like when you get back to your office and you know doors closed you're like all right that was that was that was a good one that was pretty funny there was plenty to piss me off at the moment the worst one for me was light had this remote control mouse and so I'm standing up there talking to the team kind of doing my rant or whatever and I catch us out of the corner of my eye and I like see something move and of course they see me but I don't know right and so I'm trying not to get distracted and I'm going on and and I kind of catch it again and it's now I'm distracted right but you know trying to stay with it trying to be you know and then he runs the thing like right underneath my feet I'm like whoa you know so that of course like they all go crazy and I'm like like I know you asshole what what what I wow what happened what did something is there something wrong you know and there I mean there howling like he killed me but but my I got even with these two guys maybe not even so it's like oh five four maybe and so light goes out to Hawaii for the players association meetings I'm like Matt if you guys want to really get something done for the players association why don't you go to Buffalo okay but no you guys are gonna go out to Hawaii sit around drink my ties you know and and like and call it business so he goes out there and he says to the media you know all season programs the most important time of the year for us it's where you bond with your teammates it's where you you know you work hard to get you sweat in the weight room you push each other and and if you have new guys on the team you kind of get to know them and and this is so important so Matt comes back I'm like Matt like those comments are so they're so bad you're the only one who's not here and you're talking about how important this is and I said like we got a problem here well simultaneously well not simultaneously but at the same general time we're in our offseason program right and so we're working on past Russian and so I got Rosie Rosie Colvin and so we're working on this past rush game and like I'm the offensive lineman and so Rosie he like slaps me and like just slap up or cut move and I'm like god damn he breaks my rib so I'm like for two days I you know I can't breathe that's like painful as hell but I'm trying to like suck it up and you know I'm not gonna get in there and do this past thing anymore right so now I'm like all right Colvin and light went together I produced they were up together so everybody's got their own locker and they got their picture of a wife and their kids you know all that bullshit and so I said look I'm gonna put you two assholes together in the same locker now they don't like each other and now they got Rosie's wife with lights kids in the everybody else got their own locker the rookies everybody but these two guys are in the same locker and I'm like you can't do that so we all do that so every week they come to me and they're like now they I mean they hate this like they they don't want to be that close to each other and they said how much longer is this gonna last I said I'll tell you how much longer it's gonna last it's gonna last until my rib feels better and that's a long way off so they're there for like six weeks in the same and the rest of the team loved it like they loved it you know they're like hey Matt you what oh that's Rosie's wife oh look those kids are so cute Rosie oh those are Matt's kids oh I'm sorry and I mean so like we had our back and forth yeah I would say light got more in than I did although you know I could like say my stuff in a team meetings and all that and piss them off but you know like practical jokes he killed me yeah he would kill Dante too he got Dante worse than he got me because it was the same type of thing you know he got some technology thing Dante would you know we had the the little mouse thing right and he'd go to the mouse and they would shock him like it was like a little shock you're just obsessed with mouse pranks well no it was the there was the computer one and yes the everything he had a little attachment he put on at work he'd be like a little shock yeah and you know Dante's and he picks the thing up he turns around he throws it right at light because he knows he knows what it is you know we've all been like but you know light would just light would just think of this stuff like I swear to God he stayed up at night doing this but I'm telling you the best one he ever got the best one he ever got on Dante so Dante you could not get to the you could not get to the stadium before Dante it was impossible I could get there at like four third in the morning his truck's already parked there but you could not beat him there so needless to say Dante's truck was always in the parking lot so we're at Gillette Stadium which is like you know not not a dump but like it's border middle no where yeah yeah and so light takes like three bags of garbage and kind of like cuts him open and throws him in the back of Dante's truck at like 7 a.m. well all the seagulls and all they come in and so light goes out there at lunch and he looks out it's like 50 seagulls and he's like oh boy this is working right and so now Dante comes out at like 10 o'clock at night right at the end of the night and here's all this shit in the back of his truck you know seagulls shit everywhere like the biggest mess you have ever seen and we leave you know before Dante like he'd go out there and like oh boy I don't want to be here when Dante sees this one this is going to be bad that was actually that was what I mean but that's light yeah I mean he thinks up stuff like that oh man and I mean it just destroyed Dante's truck just totally destroyed it and he didn't do a damn thing he just sat inside and let the seagulls do it. Nature take its course. Thank you coach. Yeah yeah. All right good job Hank. There's uh there's one other guy I wanted to ask you about in particular he's a close friend of ours Danny Woodhead. Woody. Yeah Woody so uh we named our van after him. We did Vanny Woodhead we got a 1937 Gladiator. So Woody like I was this close this close the caddying for him in the U.S. Open. Right right he's trying to qualify again this week. Okay but he was like I don't know real close whatever it was he was really close yeah and he said hey if I if I qualify would you catty for me with the U.S. Open yeah sure I mean yeah no problem and so I think you know we lost the match like I don't know one up or something like that and whatever it was he didn't qualify. Yeah but I was set the caddy for him in the U.S. Open if you know we gotta have that. Not that I could have helped them like there's no chance I could have helped them like read a putt or anything but there's gonna be the one in Boston too. Yeah I think that's the year that he came really close it was gonna be the Boston U.S. Open and uh oh was it a country club yeah yeah that's right that makes sense. Yeah so we were actually talking he was looking for sponsors we were gonna put our podcast logo on his hat but having you on his bag would have been incredible and it does speak to like people always say would like a scrappy like you know really hard worker Danny is I'm sure that's all very very true they sleep on how freakishly athletic of a guy Danny Woodhead was as well and I was curious because when you first picked him up I think a lot of people thought it was more of gamesmanship to the Jets like okay he's he was just on their uh uh training camp roster he's got some insight that he can give us uh to how they like to run their offense um but I'm curious to know like who who decided to bring him in and then why did you decide to keep the crazy thing about Woody is I want to say we opened with the Jets that year or I want to say we opened with him maybe it was the second game of the year but you know when you open with a team in the NFL you watch every preseason game you watch the first one which nobody watches but if you open with that team you watch it like okay let's see what are the first plays they put in you know and who is this guy who's like their second string or third string tackle but he ends up making their team and yeah if we got to play against this guy you know here's the deal on him so we watch literally every play of the Jets offense and Woody's playing receiver he's playing receiver he's their slot receiver and we're like you know this guy's not really a receiver but he's good with the ball in his hands he's tough he's not really that fluid as a receiver but you know maybe as a sub running back and so we claimed him thinking that he might be able to return kicks and and I forget what happened to run him back we we need to run him back and we need kind of a third down back I think that was like we had Moroni and some of those guys anyway we end up getting them and then he you know you play him and then you find out he's actually pretty good you know when you're watching practice you're like yeah it's not that fast you know and he's little but he ducks under tacklers and he's quick and he's just got a way to make yards and so we put him in the game he starts making yards and you know Tom's like look let's get this guy in there like we'll give him the ball that he'll make some yards but he was actually played receiver I think he played running back in college where'd he go to college Chatteron State I think yeah okay so I think he played running back there the Jets played him a slot receiver and then we moved him back to run him back but all the film we watched of him he was he was I think played receiver did he ever get into your doghouse do you have a doghouse I mean not for very long yeah I'm sure he did at some point he must have fumbled or missed a blitz pickup or something but yeah I mean look you love guys like that because he's super competitive he's a great kid he's a team guy all the way do whatever you would ask him to do I mean you can't get pissed off at those guys for very long no and he's still trying to qualify I think it's this week well he's playing in the the sexual so yeah if he does make the us open is that did he tell you like that offers on the table as long as you know what we really haven't talked I don't think since that that came up yeah I mean not out of like any hard feelings or anything it just I don't know if he's in your doghouse because he didn't make the us open no that's not true that's not true I'll let him know I'll text him right now say hey that is not true okay I'll say coach really wants to category yeah what he was you know he was one of those many guys that we had that a lot of people look at and say you know this guy's really not that good and you know Chris Hogan and you know all these guys and then all of a sudden you know they just keep making plays and producing and it's like you know you know what you say he can actually play yeah yeah I want to bring it back to UNC real quick so this year is your first year where you get a full recruiting class you get a full transfer portal where you've been here what are you most proud of in terms of the guys you've brought in and what you expect from them this year um well what I expect is for for us and them to get better every day you know to get stronger to get faster to be more explosive to be better fundamentally to be you know better technique football players that's what I expect from them and then you know as a team but you know they're we have a good group of kids they work hard they are you know they're pretty smart I mean they you know go to class they do well academically um they you know they try to do what we ask them to do and the group yesterday I went last year I mean I wouldn't say they were like disrespectful that it's not the right word but it was just different it was like they were recruited by somebody else mm-hmm they came here for somebody else you know I was new they were leaving and you know it wasn't I mean it wasn't a bad relationship but it wasn't a great one it didn't have as much I would say um you know there wasn't the same kind of adhesion that there is to guys that you bring in that come there because of you or because they want to be with you and then you know you grow together and I would imagine like the player development side of it is is probably a very strong selling you know point to a lot of these players that you're recruiting like hey I I will I will make you a better football player like I've read some stuff for you like hey I'm not a raw raw guy I'm not gonna whoop it up I'm not gonna give you some speech that's gonna have you run through a brick wall I'm gonna tell you how to get better day by day absolutely and and we'll deliver on that you know our strength program is good our nutrition our chef is good like good food good rest good recovery good training physically they'll be much better and they already are much better and then from a football standpoint like our fundamentals and the techniques that we've used and coached the greatest players from the Tom Brady's the Ranny Mosses the Dante Hightower's the Stefan Gilmour's Tali Thai Law Seymour I mean guys in a hall of fame guys are some of the greatest players ever um this is how we taught them this is how they did it and these are the plays that we're running it we're running the same plays that they ran and watch them do it yeah and so um and they and they're very receptive to that you know they're like they're receptive and I'd say appreciative of like okay you know I'm learning from somebody who was really really good at this skill whether it's a guard a tight end of you know quarterback whatever that you know we have great players literally at every position that can exemplify how to do certain skills yeah you've got some good tight ends by the way we saw yeah 45 it's a good number for a tight end yes he's a beast yeah I also saw your mantra tough smart dependable how so great mantra how do you like teach that day by day because I need help because at Barstool Sports I don't think we check any of those no we're tough it's like you know we're weak we're tough we're dumb and we're flaky that's what we got on our wall so how like you know when it comes to like actually enacting that and telling people this is not just these aren't just words these are what we actually are need to do how how the hell do I do it like you're talking to a guy like nicky smokes an absolute moron you know one of those guys that are a mince you got I got morons that I got to teach him how to be tough smart and dependable I can't do it well I think tough starts with um you know being physically tough and being mentally tough it's not it's not going to be easy it's not easy to win a football game nobody's giving those away those aren't door prizes you know you've got to go out and earn it so there's a toughness that that's going to be uh necessary for you to win and from mental toughness standpoint like something's always going to go wrong I mean you know kid comes here where he goes to the NFL and there's going to be an injury he's going to have a professor doesn't like him or he's going to break up his girlfriend or what it's going to be something and what's your mental toughness you know how do you work through that you know whatever it is so that's the kind of the tough part um smart I mean normally starts with don't be yourself you know like don't go out there and make mistakes that are we control on a number of levels right whether it's um taken an illegal substance whether it's academically being ineligible whether it's you know doing something that causes you a problem on the football field that you control pre snap penalties post whistle penalties um all those things like we we have to control those and then dependable is his consistency is earned every day and so we have to earn each other's trust daily yeah and that's how you trust and and you know have a be a good teammate is you know you're there every day you're consistent and now we get in a tough situation and and I can count on you and you can count on me because we've done it for each other you know on a regular basis practices are harder than the games so our thing is you know if you can do it in practice and do it consistently in practice we're going to make it harder than the game you know instead of 42nd clock we have a 35 second clock you know instead of the dry ball we have a wet ball instead of no crowd noise we have a lot of crowd noise so you can't hear anything and it's so forth right and we try to make it harder than what it's going to be in the game so when the game comes there's not and what your volume is in practice right so if you run you know 4 000 yards in a game then maybe you're on 45 to 5000 yards in practice yeah so we don't want to get into a game situation and feel like close really hard I don't know if I could do this no we do it every day yeah I'm sure that's why at at New England the sign we had on the door about what are what are what we try to do every day and it's the same here because we're in the stadium it doesn't matter whether you're in preseason camp training camp a preseason game a regular season game in october or the a fc championship like our goal for the day is the same yeah work hard pay attention to details put the team first right like those those are our that's our mantra and we do it every day yeah and so we get into a big game we get no champion whatever what's the same it's what we've been doing we're not asking you to do you know to do something I've done before this is what we do yeah I feel like that that works on recruits too because it's like there's a lot of probably some recruiting that's you know tells you what you want to hear and you're telling them hey no it's gonna be tough but we're gonna make you better yeah 100 yeah we're not on the hype you know we're not gonna have like the dancing elephants and a trapeze act and everybody yeah you know drive a maserati or on the block and you know we just don't do that like we we tell our recruits here's what we're gonna do here's what we're gonna deliver and if that's what you want we have it if you're looking for something else then you know this is probably not the right place for you I'm gonna push back a little bit on the not a raw raw guy because you gave a great speech one time that I saw uh it was at the Patriots Super Bowl victory parade and um there's massive crowd in front of you and you got everybody started with a no days off chant and I think it was like on a Tuesday so everyone that was at that rally they were taking a day off and they but you're such a good coach that they all started chanting yeah he's right no days off as they're taking a day off work that was incredible just a a great job of motivation your part well it's funny because the no days off honestly like most people don't really understand what that means or what it meant to us I should say what it meant to us what it meant to us was when you come to work you go to work you don't come to work and dilly dally around and like I was here I broke a sweat I showed up and go home that's a day off when we said no days off we meant you come to work you're ready to work you're prepared you put in a good day's work okay maybe tomorrow's an off day that's okay for recovery that's fine you're not saying like don't take a day off we're saying don't come to stadium and take a day off yeah and so the no days off was when you come in here man we expect your best and we expect you to work at it when we're done and you know you're with your family or you're you know whatever you're doing sure there's days off but don't take them here yeah makes sense yeah that makes sense I mean that's the you know Brady and Edelman and Hightower and those David Andrews and those guys or like don't come in here and screw around like we're not here to screw around we're here to win yeah and if that's what and if you don't put enough into it then we're you know we're pissed off at you like we're not gonna accept that and that's really the no days off yeah and and and so if a guy was kind of you know if he would like jump offside or do something you know dumb then they will kind of get on them and be like you just come in here and fool around and take a day off like just like don't even come here then like if you don't care enough then just don't show up because we can't trust you yeah yeah and that was kind of the connotation but of course you know in the hype train of the Patriots you know I'm sure it's sold towels and some you know beer mugs or whatever and it was used in a different context my no days off beer mug like yeah those people were cheering their hardest so they were not taking a day off that's true it's important yeah yeah it's it's that's not what it was but if that's what they want it to be like that's fine it was it was just it was a funny moment kind of a marketing thing where it's like do your job no days off stuff like that turned into marketing hype yeah more than it was getting away from the meaning in the court yeah it wasn't really what it was intended and we kind of laughed about it was like they don't really know what it means but if they want to talk about no days off or do your job or whatever like that's fine yeah yeah I was going to ask you about about coaching here at UNC and and connecting with you know much younger players than than you've been used to connecting with over the course of your career as a coach and curious to know like is there are you aware of the fact that you're you're Bill Belichick right and so you're coming into a place like UNC and a lot of the kids that are playing football for you they look at you as being like a legend of the game is there anything that you've done to try to like make yourself more approachable because I could see myself I mean obviously I can't see myself being like an 18 year old five star football recruit because I'm five foot eight and I suck but if I if I was yeah if I was even if I was good I could see myself being like a little intimidated to go talk to you about something if it's an issue I'm having or like hey I think we could be doing even something better um is that something that you think about like hey these kids might have like a block in communicating with me at times and I need to be proactive in overcoming that yeah you know I think it varies from kid to kid I mean again you know it's really about building relationships and building trust I think if they think you're helping them then they're going to be receptive if they don't think you're helping them my experience has been you know probably going to turn you off um so I try to you know help everybody you know sometimes it's maybe not in the most comforting way but if they're actually committed toward reaching their goals and dreams of playing professional football being a really good player then that's what I'm that's the spirit that I'm saying it in it's not personal it's just you know if you want to be good here's your need to do you can keep doing it this way it's not going to work it's no good don't take my word for it you watch a bunch of other people do it this way it's not going to work for them either if you here's the way you need to do it and so why don't you commit to doing it that way if in the end they don't want to do that then I mean you know I've done kind of all I can do yeah but that's not it's rare most of them they really they really do want to now some don't have enough staying power and they like well they do and then they kind of drift off and then they come back again the guys who are more but we had those guys at the NFL too I mean trust me everybody in the NFL is not you know Tom Brady and Julian Edelman not the high tower and Deb McCordy like that's far from it yeah maybe we had more than most but they're not all like that yeah oh I root for the Redskins so yeah there's I know what you're talking about yeah was there was there a moment I and this has been so much fun honestly we could do this for the next five hours I don't want to take all your time so I really really we really appreciate this there's so much football history we just love football um so we'll wrap it up very soon was there a moment though uh early in Tom Brady's career where you're like okay this is different this is this is different than what I expect like he is going he's on a trajectory to something different than what I might have expected when we drafted him again if you if you spend time around Tom you you understand how totally committed he is and how he just just day by day takes incredibly small steps that eventually but never backwards that eventually lead to a very high performance and I mean really he was our fourth string quarterback like you can't name another fourth string quarterback I would say in any level of football college or pro I mean there there isn't one very few so that's how far down he was I mean you couldn't get any further on the bench than he was he was a fourth string never even played never addressed and then I brought in Damon Heward because I didn't think he was good enough to be the backup and he beat Heward out and then Bloodsote got hurt and then he didn't lose games he didn't win many but he didn't lose them and we won him on defense we won him in the kicking game with Troy Brown's punt return to block field goals and so forth and then he kept and by 2003 2004 we won games because of Tom Brady and from 2004 on not only did we win games because of Tom Brady but every week he was the focal point of our opponents because we got to stop Tom Brady and what's our game plan to stop Tom Brady and that's the real greatness is when they're doing something to stop you every single week and there's a target on your back and you're still producing an ILO yeah but I always say Tom wasn't great wasn't even really good but he became great Gronkowski same thing Rob wasn't great he wasn't even really good but he became great Julian Edelman I mean for five years I mean do anything he returned ponds it was a very good punt return but he wasn't great he wasn't even good he didn't even play and then he became great and so that process of day by day by day by day after a month after year after year okay now you finally and it's very gradual but it's consistent it doesn't you know jerk up and down it just hey these things he couldn't do now he's starting to do him now he's starting to do him pretty good now he's actually starting to do some things at a level that you know what he wasn't able to do before and that's what makes Tom Brady great the biggest thing about Tom and and you know I told him this all the time and he took it to heart I'm like Tom we can't gain any yards until you give the ball to somebody else you're not gaining them you got to get the ball to somebody else for us to gain yards hand it to him throw it to him pitch it to him but as long as you have the ball we ain't going anywhere he's like you know tell me that so get the and so that's what he did how do I get the ball to Julian and one so we can run with it how do I get the ball to Rob where he can catch it where the guy who's even though the guy's a straight ball over him Rob can catch it and the other guy can't how do I get Danny Woodhead productive how do I make Kevin Falk productive how do I make James White productive how do I make and he's kind of like a point guard like he could distribute the ball with great accuracy and decision making and through all those years with Brady we were the least penalized team we had the fewest negative runs we had the fewest sacks we had the fewest turnovers he never killed the team with those plays we didn't go backwards he'd throw a quick pass out for our yard and his second and nine but at least it wasn't second and 13 and if we you know he got rid of the ball so quickly they didn't get sat and we didn't have dumb false star penalties and shit like that because of sloppy play like he would make sure that you know the play was run right or we were set or we you know two guys are in motion hold stop whoa okay now you go in motion things like that I mean there's such little things but when you listen to them broadcast the game you'll hear them say over and over they're going backwards too much this team's they need to go they're losing too many yards and that was it we didn't lose yards and he didn't ever put the team in a bad situation every play wasn't an 80 yard touchdown but he didn't put the team in a bad situation and he got rid of the ball so that somebody else could gain yards because god knows he wasn't gaining them that's by the way you're you're not even good to good to great that's that's the recruiting pitch that you know anyone who's coming to UNC like that's that's it right there like hey you you might not be very good right now but we can day by day get you to great 100% but that's the way it was in New England these guys will come in in New England and they look at Tom Brady and like oh my god look at Devin McCory and then oh my god look at Edelman like oh my god Ron Kowski like oh my god I'm thinking myself you don't know that these guys weren't any good they're just like you like you're no good either but you can become great but you know it's just what you're gonna have to do and it's gonna be a process it's not gonna happen overnight it didn't happen overnight for Rob didn't happen for Julian Brady Devin McCory played corner and then he ended up playing his whole career with safety and you know 12-time captain I mean I'm you know I'm just Stephen Neal never even played football you know three Super Bowls started for eight years never even played football so he was no good talking about no good he was terrible but he became you know a really good player so people don't understand the process and they think that Rob Gromkowski was always great far from it it was to the point where Brady and I sat him down so Rob like we can't put you in a game you're too undependable you run the wrong route you fumble the ball you know you just you make too many mistakes it was we can't play you okay what do I need to do okay and then he became great where he was you know as dependables any player we had never fumbled always did the right thing was a great teammate was a good blocker understood by blocking it created play action opportunities for him that wouldn't have been there if he didn't block and so forth I mean but you know it was such a process and those guys all bought into it and they deserve the credit for it and that's what we're selling with our guys absolutely we're selling the same thing with our guys yeah yeah but people think that when you look at Brady you think you know in 2016 17 18 rookies come on team and I like oh my god this guy's so great yes but he wasn't he was you're actually further ahead than he was at the start that's how bad he was but they don't realize that you know they're like oh man I'll never be that good well you could be if you do it McCordy and Chung and guys like that that even players like that nobody wanted like JC Jackson and Malcolm Butler Rob Ninkovish Rob Ninkovish was a backup snapper we signed it because we needed a backup snapper because our snapper got hurt we had no intention of keeping him as a snapper because once our guy was healthy we don't meet Rob and Rob comes in there and you know first day of practice it's like he knew light it's like hey do you mind if I do a couple pass rushes Rob you're like a long snapper that's Matt Lair starting up that yeah go ahead take one boom walks right by it Dante goes crazy light it's a long snapper can't block this long snapper get back in here boom because we're fine again and of course light I mean you thought about taking some heat now like you're gonna buy a long snapper but Ninkovish had played against them at Purdue with them not against them with them Purdue and you know we kind of like hey I know how to rush this guy yeah and all of a sudden it's like wow now Rob wasn't a great player either but he had 10 sacks a year for five years in a row yeah by just doing things right and you know being disciplined and like all the things that he did I mean it's just like he's no Lawrence Taylor I'm just telling you yeah but 10 sacks a year for five years I mean you know it's pretty damn good yeah do you think maybe light let him beat him a couple times no no like he's like hey man I really need this job no yeah no light I mean I mean Matt is so competitive Matt's such a tough kid would you say that that Rob is the most improved player that you've coached no Steve Neil he's never played football yeah Steve Neil didn't even know where the huddle was Steve Neil didn't know where to go at the end of the play like what do I do now Steve go just go back here with these guys they'll tell you what to do oh all right you know yeah you probably had to be really patient with them then like you saw something in them Steve yeah he's 6'5 he's 295 pounds he's a championship wrestler and he ran 4'9 all right we can and he's tough I mean this guy is all day tough like a lot of wrestlers are all day tough you could not wear Steve Neil down he was all day tough tough as they come yeah all right well this has been awesome I have one last question we'll finish with something a little lighter because it's been so much fun Robak question RHOBACK.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase Q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts Robak.com promo code take so yeah I'm honestly I hopefully we can do this again because we could honestly like I got to like maybe 10% of my questions but I thought we'd end with something like and because you are such a great coach and we you know in doing this podcast for the last 10 years we have guys that we we don't coach them but they become part of the program and maybe they slip up and we got to figure out how to motivate them so what would you do for someone who maybe sleeps in a couple times every couple months and misses some things Zach why don't you come over here come talk to coach Zach yeah come talk come talk to coach tell them maybe what the issue is and then and then we can maybe get to the bottom of it and figure this out so to put this in NFL terms like what would Zach would be like our first round pick Zach is Zach would be the definitions he's been with us for a year now and when he we got him he wasn't he wasn't good he was bad he was bad but he's become great okay but he's got an issue with sleeping in so Zach you want to explain to him and Zach is great now how are we doing today coach are you I'm great I'm awesome I love to hear that and I congratulations on your ascension to greatness I just appreciate being a part of the program coach I thank you for your time today I uh there has been some instances where we had scheduled things to take care of and I wasn't there and I should have been there and I wasn't there and I overslept and I've been working on it I've been trying to work on it and it and I do my best to make sure it doesn't happen again I just wonder I get I guess if you have any advice for for somebody who could about overcoming objections of time and and when you're asleep good question Zach right can I can I answer frankly I certainly yes sir well do you care I'd yes sir which yes so you care yes sir okay do you have an alarm clock I do yes sir well I would get two more okay we'll do I can do that I mean you set one alarm for 655 one for seven one for 705 and if you don't hear the first one the second one goes off the third one like I would invest in an alarm alarm clock or a watch or whatever and get a backup so you don't oversleep back how many do you have I do currently have three and you still sleep though yes I have yes I I've been sure I really I know it's pathetic I know but I haven't been making it I've been he has one that's called the bomb alarm that's how loud the alarm is coach he's he's probably gonna get evicted because his alarm is too loud his name is called a noise complaint song okay well I mean that okay so we need to find another solution yeah okay um well well I mean I'd say talk to somebody who knows more about sleep than I do and see if there's I mean look obviously you you're a hard sleeper I mean yes sir earthquake could come through and you'd you'd sleep through it yes sir yeah we've all had those days so do you have a sleep like happening or a sleep issue I don't believe so maybe I maybe I do that maybe I check out with a sleep doc that might be great fantastic advice coach I appreciate that very much look there's gotta be a solution to it I mean the other thing I would say is do you live with anybody or is there somebody that is on a similar schedule that you are on not not currently solo in the apartment yeah but so if somebody so somebody called you would that wake you up a phone call I've I've I've been doing that with my uh I've been I'm so sorry for starting on my words uh you use a better vocalization out of me it won't happen again I do want to apologize for that uh yes I've I've implicated a phone call setup if phone calls have been working out it's good but I've been catching up with my family earlier in the morning my dad's been calling me shod so that was a great call that's another option is to get somebody else to assist you with you know if if that wakes you up thank you for the advice coach that was great that was great coach thank you we can't thank you enough this was an interview we wanted to do for very long time we love football um we loved being here we saw you know the the the practice was awesome seeing you in the mix and uh incredible things you got going on here at North Carolina so thank you very very much and best of luck this year and hopefully we can do it again because like I said I think I have like 90% of my question sheet is still there yeah we threw it out after the first 15 points yeah all right appreciate you guys being here appreciate you calling some good defenses for us today yep all right that was awesome and uh it was a lot of fun sitting here and chopping it up with you so thank you all right thanks coach thanks so much appreciate it mellow check was brought to you by twisted tea summers right around the corner twisted tea is coming in clutch it'll turn our day drinking up a notch the new summer party pack has a brand new twisted lemonade and I want to go on record saying this will be the drink of the summer I'm on record drink of the summer twisted lemonade it's delicious it's got a refreshing taste a little kick no carbonation grit week is the official kickoff of preseason football that we've all been waiting for and we know that twisted tea is a staple during football season so what are you most excited about these upcoming weeks how can you bring twisted tea along for the ride I know I think that if you're doing a fantasy dynasty draft you're drafting your rookies you should be drinking a twisted tea while you do it agreed kick that season off kick that league off correctly if you're not holding a twisted tea in your hand while you're drafting that league then you're not a man I'm just gonna say it you aren't max grab a refreshing twisted tea today okay wrap up the show uh Zach your star great job with the bill bellichick interview the ending was very pft said it but I was crying as well so funny you also had a couple moments this week the pub's up we're in we're in your home state Florida yes sir you went you gave us a questionnaire we I said I don't want to tell you my order I want you to decide what pub sub matches us so you gave us like a buzzfeed questionnaire and then got us pub subs you crushed it uh what is it about Florida that everyone likes to get their subs from a grocery store uh so part of it maybe accessibility just because like it's close it's familiar but also it's so friendly when you go online at public spit cat everybody's smiling having a great time they they don't rush you through the options there's some sub change they kind of push you through you know they let you take your time with the public yeah yeah so I got the questions that you sent us um so maybe you can walk us through some of these how much range of motion do you typically like to have after a meal I think I get I understand that one but you relied on that one pretty heavily I think yeah I thought it that was important just to understand like uh how heavy of a same which you wanted to that really was was that tell me if I'm wrong that question was essentially do you want the chicken tender sub or not that's what that question was if we're gonna just yes yeah because the chicken tender sub was incredible it's good but it's heavy it's very heavy in hindsight like how many how many good subs do they have there uh I think they have a really strong top five but I'll seem like it's new you knew the top five and then you were like backtracking list yes max I really like this I think we do it again tomorrow on the drive what if you do whoa whoa max that's a stop dude what if you do wow ahogies for the for for everyone for the next stop we're not in Philadelphia max they have wowas all throughout the drive from here to our next stop I feel like that we're already mapped it out well I was I was looking for wowas we're a long way from home max okay do you are also is a is a you flyer of wow the walla sandwiches sandwiches are good but we just said the bar's so high right public's is so good it's like I don't like to order seafood if I'm in grocery stores or something you know I can gas station away from a Philadelphia gas station well here's the thing exact you don't let them don't let them hold on here's the thing max the beauty of this drive tomorrow it's so long we're gonna have to have two different meals so we could do both you do a public's and a walla whoa what about what about waffle house I think it's wow and wow but then we gotta sit down now we're really stopping now we're not gonna get there but not for very long with a lot of services so fast yeah taco bell okay well we'll think about either way the pub subs are good cool the did you get well hey here's the problem with taco bell I love taco bell you love taco bell every time we get taco bell 10 minutes after we get taco bell you're like I need an emergency bathroom stop yeah so that's yeah or nap right so we could do it I'm napping either way we can do it but I like we know we can do it I've been thinking like what if we should we do I think we should bring enough water bottles that like no stops no stops until the gases till we need to get gas no pissed off there's the thing about wow is you can do both that's true no pissed off I'm down I'm down to piss no piss stops I'm in because the van doesn't go that fast we forgot about that part too Zach this was another good question that you had on the list which is when shopping uh in your everyday life do you do you find yourself in more yellow or white cheese situations so you're correct so you admit that cheese is yellow so that was more so there's I know there's an argument on which color cheese could be but if when it comes to your everyday life I would the question is more so asking like which one you encounter the most like in your meals I was thinking like what do you see while you're eating just to kind of get an idea of what visually what do you usually see on your sandwich I like that Zach instead of saying like what do you like better he's like which one do you find yourself around more yeah like what do you because I couldn't ask like same much specific questions yeah questionnaires yeah I was trying to go off eyeball test from your meals it's a good question Zach actually apologized to me the other day about he said max I'm I would like to make an apology to you sir and I was like about what he goes I had a meal last night with five different cheeses they were all white they were yeah the pizza the jalapeno popper filling the mod sticks what what was his meal it's the pizza spot it's a lot of mods wait how many mods would you eat just a pizza which has the white cheese mod sticks out of the white cheese and the jalapeno poppers out of the white cheese and it's kind of bell went off and I was like I owe max what else did you have these five white cheeses I may have exactly well that was a that was three but it was across every item so it was like I owe him an apology cheese cake that's a great one great point that's definitely white cheese max makes a lot of good points all right so we'll do I would like to get another pub sub I like that you can tenders up it was very good yeah you can do it a pub sub guy you can do them hot and cold you know they kind of versatile yeah like I got another question about these questions that you sent us you sure this one says in in the early 2000s movie holes starring Shia LaBeouf spelled sh i la first name and then last name b u f f shia LaBeouf tricky name I definitely didn't go birth certificate correct on the spelling but we knew kind of who we were talking about did you know who he was talking about yeah yeah yeah yeah that's not my question yeah no let me finish my question it was a little insulting I was reading it for accuracy I was understanding I was reading it for accuracy this whole couch okay but like it's phonetics this is I get it I get it hooked on phonetics never got the hooked on phonics yeah well I can't believe that you just corrected Hank everyone knew what he was talking about when he said hooked on phonetics and then you had to correct him like that side oh no I thought it was two different two different programs it was no phonetics was different than hooked on phonics yeah that's wild um but Zach's question was were the jars of sploosh appetizing as a man who has not seen the movie holes yeah that's right I hadn't either I don't know if the jar looks better of sploosh is it we're appetizing um but what what was the reason for that question like what sub would have been indicated by yes I find it appetizing so initially off memory I thought the jars of sploosh in holes were onion based but I was corrected by Shane they were peaches base that question was to determine if you wanted onions on your sandwich got it but I had the wrong food group in that original original question but also Shane is notoriously anti-union so he might have fed you some propaganda but he is well versed on movies so there's a crossroads there movies and corn dogs he sleeps with an onion in terms of it's basically like do foods that reverse a generational curse intrigue you got your ballot it was a great job Zach I want I want another pub so do they have them in Louisiana publics I don't know they I don't believe so they may have one like on the fringe so we got to get one before we cross the state border man after yesterday we got to go just gas station food in Louisiana there's good gas station yeah that's true uh and then the last thing Zach you so we love you Zach this is I this all comes from a loving place because I admire you you we've been trying to get you a little bit out of your comfort zone out in the public you're a sociable guy you're a great guy to be around you're an awesome hang when we went to the Cubs game I was like Zach is such a fun hang to be around uh and then our guy Dante tweeted a video on Friday night he has a club in the west loop in Chicago uh called Goodnight John Boy which is kind of like a dance uh party club and it was what time 3am 2am the light was closing so I think it's probably around 2am and Dante was like Zach is just here there was a whole entire table of bar stool people but you went to the club by yourself and just danced your ass off for a few hours by yourself so last last summer spring you guys kept telling me to go outside and I kind of took it for granted I was like I won't need there won't be a five six month stretch where it's just way too cold you have to you have to stay inside never experienced that so I took the spring and summer for granted so I've been trying to tell myself I think it's important to like you know get out there a little bit and take your eyes of ice uh so yeah just I uh went to the bar had a couple of beers and then went to the dance club I don't dance very well but it's it's fun to bust a movie yeah not poorly by yourself that's awesome that's like a that's a move I don't think I have the balls to do that it was incredibly uncomfortable but it was like it felt good to like just you know get out there a little bit and did you meet any women uh at the dance club it was more I was more so dancing solo uh I did meet I did meet someone at the bar we talked a little bit watching a movie at the bar it was fun oh what movie uh X files okay okay did you get any numbers uh no no just uh did anyone offer you a number some good combo uh yeah there was like an attempt at uh like exchange on the way out but my Uber was coming so like it was just bad timing if she was offering you her number yeah she was like we can uh we can hang out some time and I was like but she'd also previously said that she's always at the bar so I was like oh well we'll just see each other like at the bar again all right so Zach having a good Uber rating is important you don't want to take this is my bestest girl was basically asking Zach out on a date he's like I'll just come back here and see you if I want to see you I'll start back she was adamant that she was there quite often I was like I'm not here very often so that'll probably sync up so Zach you were you were you were on your way out yes like I was leaving to go bust a move had you already stood you you stood up and you were walking out and it was like yeah like it's come you know it does like two minutes one minute but then it's like a one way so like all right we'll just loop back it time was of the essence to get in the car vibrating saying like it's nearby I was like this mm-hmm yeah and she was like hey let me throw my digits yeah and I like fumbled a little bit and I was like yeah we'll see you next time and I it was fun it was a good time Zach do you want to do that that's a tense situation I like it's okay with someone else and they can go get the Uber and you can grab the number but it's like you can buy yourself you gotta allow Zach some room for the fact that Zach maybe Zach wasn't into her like were you into her uh I had a good time at the bar I don't know if I would like uh if I would seek out additional conversation outside of the X files watch party there you go but it was fun there you do I do feel bad shout to the AWS AWS saw the bar nice guy I feel like I may have ruined his date because we talked for too long I could see his date was getting his date was getting physically upset that we were chopping it up yeah but that's not the same girl that asked you for the number no no okay I felt like an invert cock block for that guy because yeah we just started talking like we were friends how long were you at the club by yourself oh probably like two hours I love it just dancing yeah I was just dancing I'm a bad dancer big hat but it's fun did you meet up with any of the other people from Barcelona no no I heard that they might have had to go to bar but like the table situation you don't get to dance as much you know it's more it's like it's like hanging out drinking which is fun but like you know I'm just trying to it's like studio 54 should he went to dance what should go to dance move like right when you hit the dance floor uh there's a lot of shoulder because my feet don't get into it as much you know so white guy dancing yeah it's a lot of it's way it's too much hands to be honest with you lawnmower I'm not I'm gonna pose a lawnmower maybe you know getting the pot a little bit but do you do a sprinkle you you stir the pot yeah we eat a little seasoning no maybe no you did some little over medium egg yeah no good moves but some moves I love it you're doing a little this too much yeah do you have any idea how many steps you got in with the dancer I don't know you should stop tracking though good for you Zach good for you maybe we have a boys dance night one time that'd be fun but we all should go solo oh eight eight or nine different spots and then report back yeah then meet up and be like how'd you guys dance tonight I mean this is this is how girls plan their hang hangouts together they're just like let's just go dance yeah they might be up to something you want to just go dance Zach good job it's free in ppt yeah all right uh good show boys grit week get excited we got we got a lot going on um we're on the road we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do this we're gonna do this trip max you got this trip we got this I'm I'm confident max is being a big baby and let me just say for the record max would not max would not have lasted a second on this show in 2016 on grit week I'm just trying to keep this organized it was way harder max we got this yeah max you're a capable guy you can handle this you can do all things yep agreed mm-hmm don't be a baby you got this you got it all right uh numbers I got the part of my balls 15 that guy show this doesn't deck dot deck to 27 57 56 Jonah 18 it is is such cool sight that he made 66 66 uh any birthdays at any point because max home was birthdays in November maybe I was just maybe as early are we sure it's in November yeah one of the websites had it as May 14th you're stalling right now because you don't have no I you want to bet I got birthdays right now you want me to start I'll start happy happy birthday Travis Hunter happy birthday Hank's mom happy birthday to Hank's mom happy birthday to Vince young happy birthday to uh mr october Reggie Jackson got fooled by an ai video the other day then on tuesday happy birthday to I believe your dog Stella Stella's on tuesday oh happy birthday to big cat's dog and to Hank's mom also happy birthday to Archie man and Kevin granette London Fletcher Baker Mario Chalmers Jojo Siwa Sam Smith Andre the giant Malcolm X shout out Malcolm X happy birthday on tuesday is he still alive he is the shout out Malcolm X and then also today as we're doing this podcast it's Matt Ryan's birthday did so shout out to us neckler I made a list let me see I made a list that somebody else also helps me wait is someone sending you all these I I have a list I'm not I don't want I don't want to talk about who sent me the list because they just went like this and they someone's just sending them all of them max homo might have been on the list from last week so I don't want to throw this guy into the bus this guy whoever you are do the right thing do the right thing and keep keep going to find a new guy yeah I gotta find a new guy keep doing it throw some random ones in there so that's a lot of birthdays memes you know he what oh no I had the wrong day pulled up I thought he missed Jane Daniels birthday but that's December 18th oh okay well he'll probably say it next week by accident I've got a teeny fang hit out the park oh do respect shout out to you know why you gotta think for Tina Fey you guys look like you could be brother and sister all right see everyone on Wednesday love you guys so