Fearless with Timothy Simons

Some podcasts are afraid of nothing. The tagline for this movie is some people are afraid of nothing. I pulled that off of a low res, barely loading image on the Wikipedia page for Fearless, because IMDb is down! IMDb is down, but Box Office Mojo is working. Really? Yeah. We are recording this on the day of seemingly the apocalypse. It is stormy and dark as hell outside. It looks like the planet Camino. Wait, wait, it was barely, it was like Drizzling, Griffin's, okay, okay. It's looking overcast. There have got to be, I mean like, Griffin, you can't live in New York and be like, it's going to rain, I think the world, this is it, it's over. Rain I go, okay, I can put up with this. IMDb is down? My apps are down? That's tough for you, IMDb being down too. I did, yes. Amazon Web Services is a terrible company. A terrible service as part of a terrible company has collapsed today, and like 60% of the internet has gone down with it. How did I not hear about this until now? You get your head in the clouds and your ivory tower. I am, I'm up in my ivory tower, but usually they give me the broad strokes of what the police are dealing with. They can't reach you because they're on the web service. Your team is on AWS. Well I would have assumed that one of my handlers would have mentioned- You forget that your handlers are AI and they're also backed up on AWS. Oh wow. Well no, it's actually no, they're humans, but he won't let them look at him or see his face, so they have to communicate with the fiber of the internet. Even if they're in the same room. Yeah, right, exactly. And if they look at your face, what do you do? Well it starts with just like a hard or stern like, just a look of like, you know that you shouldn't have done this, and then it proceeds from there to be more physical. It's also, here's the thing, you're so tall that making eye contact with you requires a lot of effort. You can't do it by accident. Sure, gotta crane that neck. You gotta crane a neck. So there's no plausible deniability. Nope. No, unless you're on top of a ladder. Or if I'm sitting down. Even then. And then even then. Even then. You should have, you should have tried harder. How tall is- You sitting down might be me standing, what? How tall is chicken shop date, girl? Have you done the date? You gotta do that, because I feel like that'd be, she feels short. You could do like a fun height differential. Oh okay. Chicken shop date. I've only ever seen her sitting down. I've only ever seen her sitting down. Demi-ball. Emilia something. Demi-dom. I'm sorry. I don't want to mangle her name. She might be sneaky taller than you think. Well, it's a low- Let me see if Amazon Web Services can answer my question. Okay. It says she's 5'3". So that's, you know- Oh, okay. Not that tall. Yeah, we would have a stark difference in our appearance. Emilia- Demoldenberg. Demoldenberg. One could argue that that could be used for comedic effect. Well, this is what she does. She's never- Oh my goodness. She went to Marlborough. It's astounding what she's done. She went where? I'm just- I'm doing the English thing that is not acceptable. I shouldn't do where I judge someone based on where they went to secondary school. She went to a posh school. In my experience, in my life, all dates have gone well. All of her chicken shop dates? No, all my dates. Oh, all your dates? Oh yeah. And I watch her and I go, wait a second. What if a date was awkward? I'll actually say- I think she's very fine. I find her incredibly fine. I think she's very fine. She's good with shoes. I do too. I was just mocking the premise, but she's really good. I have never watched a full episode. I see clips. Is it supposed to be intentionally awkward or is that- Yeah, it's got the YouTube comedy kind of, you know, the pauses and the harsh cuts and stuff. It's like between two ferns with less of a character. Okay. Right, between two ferns, but you like the little moments right where they are really being humans. She's a person. Right, yeah, yeah. Right, right. Chicken shop date. Yeah. Sometimes you're like, it's the same with hot ones. You're like the cream roast at the top here, baby. I know. There's like a thousand pounds of crap on the internet and I'm hearing about this one because she's pretty good at it. She's pretty good. Right. Yeah. You know what else is pretty good? You ever done hot ones? Okay, here we go. I haven't done hot ones, but I would not be- Why are you on this garbage? Because I feel like, and we'll see how this goes, I feel like I could succeed here in hot ones. Like I- You think? Do you not have the Constitution? I do not have the Constitution. You don't like how spicy- I cannot handle it. Yeah, no. I mean, that might be funny. I truly don't know if I would be able to physically continue and I know that people struggle there and that's part of it. DJ Khaled. But I worry about even the very basic one. So you're thinking- David, I gotta correct you there. He's never taken a nail. Oh, me? You think he's struggling. But he just doesn't play with that, right? Oh, no, he's never taken a nail. He tapped out about wing four or five, I think, right? Yeah, he's never taken a nail. He's never eaten a pee. Is there a- And you don't mean the pee's from a pod. No, he's eating the hose. Is there any- Is there like a downside to not continuing? I mean, you're kind of- Public pants. Kind of being a poopy pants, I guess. Okay. So I'm regular not- I mean, I don't think- Brought to the town square. Little commander poopy pants. I feel like you're being a little bit of a commander poopy pants. I mean, I think that the way through if you're struggling is just like take a little bite of each one or whatever, right? Yeah, okay. So no one's leaning on you to finish your wings, right? It's very few people really like actually leap bones. Have I shared my conspiracy theory? Yeah. That- Because like DJ Khaled really like fucking ate shit and looked like a fool. And you think they pulled it back a little bit because of that? I was talking to someone who was like, do you think they've nerfed the sauces? Do you think the sauces are watered down now because no one has- No one really has much trouble until the bomb, which everybody reacts to, because that exists to make people react. The guests keep on getting better, right? Yeah. And I equate it to, I think our buddy Lin-Manuel, drop a name, told us this. Well, Lin-Manuel who? Miranda. Oh, oh. That when big stars are doing like Chicago for like 10 days. He said this on the mic, didn't he? I can't remember. Yeah. Oh, this person doesn't have musical theater experience. How the fuck are they going to do the show? And the company has been doing the show for 25 years that they basically have A, B and C tracks, where they bring them in for their first rehearsal and see what their natural ability as a singer and dancer is and go like, okay, they're a C. Right, they won't do much. We're doing a simpler version of the show. We move around the more. And the A, you're like, oh, they actually have the skills. I think they have like different intensities of the sauces. They try the first wing and they're like- Interesting. You're a liar. I mean, you think they're lying. I think they don't know that they're getting an easier go of it, but I think the production is just in real time. Oh, here's the season's sauces. And Ben did the Hot Ones challenge. It was tough. Yeah, it was really, really fucked up. Did you finish every wing? Did you try to like- Yeah, I made it to the end. Yeah. No, what I'm saying, I more mean like, were you taking a bite of each wing or like finishing the wing? I let the show inform my approach where I wasn't taking that whole fucker down. Right. And then I feel like it's- I would take like a reasonable bite. Is the entire wing coated in that sauce or are they just putting a drop on it? No, no, it's totally coated. Of course, the 10th wing, you get the dab. Yes. The wing is already coated, but- An extra dab or an extra dab. An extra little dab. The last dab. And if you're Jennifer Lawrence, you say, what do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? The thing I always think about though, and I like Hot Ones, having done it myself, the next day, the shit that I took was so radioactive. That it was bad. It ruins multiple days. Yes. Okay. For you. It's a good crack. Okay. Because you're not supposed to do that. I think about these celebrities having to then take a shit for the next few days. It's brutal. Now in Fearless, do you think he would do the Hot Wings Challenge No Problem while he's in Fearless mode? The Bulls Strawberry is kind of his Hot Ones challenge. Except I'm saying, like, I mean, honestly, his life in Fearless mode, which is what I'm referring to his like sort of cognitive dissonance or whatever, is like, you know, Hot Wing. The Final Strawberry is like the bomb. It almost becomes his last dab. If not for the power of love. That was good. Thank you. Did you see how he turned it around back to the... I really liked that. Yeah, I tried to do that like five minutes ago when it was ignored. This is Blank Check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. I'm David. It's a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce. We...our guest is mouthing along. Oh, what a cutie pie. I really like the baby part. Our guest is such a cutie pie. I'll just say it. He's a cutie pie. This is a mini-series on the films of Peter Weir. It is called... Also a cutie pie. Podnicket Hanging Cast. Right? Although I want the opinion of our guest. Oh my God. What's...where the other options... Here he fucking goes. Podstern cast, Mander the Podside of the Cast. Now I like... Every time he says it, he pivots out of the title because he knows it's bad. Being able to get pod and cast in there two times each. I mean, I think maybe in theory rather than practice. Today we're talking about fearless... Oh, pivots right away. Our guest today, of course, from the hit movie Goosebumps, previously known as Tim Simons, today introduced exclusively as Hitmaker. Oh my God. Hitmaker! He's here. Hitmaker. Hitmaker, blonde edition. You are here in New York. Hitmaker. You're here in New York. Tim has blonde hair. Press gauntlet. You're doing all the morning shows. That's why we're talking about all these other fucking things because you're doing like every morning show here in New York. Yes. To promote the new season of the Netflix show, nobody wants this, which at the time this episode comes out will have premiered six months ago. Right, is a reheated oatmeal at this point. If you want to watch that on Netflix now, it's still there, I assume. Maybe. Unless you got canceled. Everyone will have watched it 30 seconds at a time on TikTok by this point. Hell yeah, exactly. And start me at like part 62, right? You know, like TikTok likes to just dump you in the middle there. Now, Tim, the show's called Nobody Wants This, but judging by the viewer, dad, it seems like a lot of people want this. Have I told you this story before? Has that just sucked? Interesting. You just got a job offer. I got a job offer. NBC. How many of those do you have to deal with now? A fair amount. Yeah. A fair amount. But I don't know if I've ever told you this or if you saw this at the time, but there was a lot of conversation around what the show was going to be called. It had a working title and then it had a few other, like a few other working titles, one of which I thought worked. I think at one point it was going to be called, it was initially titled Chica and then it was called for a little bit. It was called Heartburn. You can't do that. That's the thing is that ultimately I think if it existed in a vacuum is a good name for the show. Sure. But it's sort of owned already. It should have been called like the Jewish guy and the white girl or just like the most obvious. Wow. Getting a text from Netflix that they want to hire you. Hire you for title brainstorming? You guys got to stop being so good at this. You're getting all these jobs. I just think that almost every time something is titled like that, it bombs and then the headlines write themselves and everyone's like, we should have seen this coming. Yes. Your case where a title has that much of a self-own in it and it fucking defies the haters. I don't know if you remember this, but when they announced the title and they gave us like, here's your first look pictures if you want to post them. I posted on Instagram, hey, here is the show. It comes out on whatever day. This was for the first season and here's a picture of Adam and Kristen and they look amazing. And I said, I really hope that reviewers like this show. Otherwise they are going to dog fuck us into the ground with our title. Dog fuck us is a great hit maker. It's a hit maker for sure. Yeah. That's you. That's you through and through. Yeah. I can't think of another case where it's worked out. Yeah. Like what's the worst that could happen? It's a big one. I remember the Dane DeVito Martin Lawrence movie where that came out. Seeing buying a ticket to this piece of shit. Right. Those were just like a full page photo of the critic pointing at the poster zero stars. There was, this is a little bit more, like it's not as direct, but I remember like, how do you know? Well. Ended up being like, how do you know this is a shitty movie? I watched it or whatever. You just don't want like a vague question. Any kind of negative statement, obviously. Yeah. Can I, I'm just, so you're, nobody wants this. So that's on Netflix. Anything else we should mention that you're in Percy Jackson. I forget when that's coming out. Oh yeah. Wait, when, when does this come? So this is of course posting on May 10th, 2026. Wow. Jesus. Really? Yeah. So we hope Trump at this point is solved six to eight more wars. By the time you're listening in this, you're in month six of the AWS outed. Yeah. Right. If you're even the only thing that's still down though, everything else is fine. I think at this point I will have been in scream seven. Oh, fuck yeah. There you go. Do you, wait, do you make it? Well, I can tell you that I am in the film scream seven. Okay. Yeah. Fennessey was asking like, are you ghost face? You have to tell me now. And Tim was like, I can't say anything. And I was like, if the movie starts and ghost faces seven foot three. Yes. It is tough to, yeah, just kind of hide you in ghost face. They're not going to hide you. This is the problem. I'm not asking you to reveal any spoilers, but I think I'm going to know pretty quickly whether you are or are not. He's like hunched down. Yeah. Like he has to be bumps his head on every door. It's actually like I wonder chicken shop date and it keeps like it's very obvious. It's right. She's the other one. Yeah. No, those are, those were, I'd say by and large, the things that are going on. Well, I'm seeing, is your commander bell on the handmade stand. I'm seeing here that June stabbed you in the eye. Who's June? June is Lizzie Moss. And she, she fucking stabbed you. She stabs me in the eye. Dang. And was it poignant? And were you like in charge of all that, all the bad stuff happening? Were you one of the good guys? Were you one of the good guys? I played one of the very, I think if Elizabeth Moss is stabbing you in the eye, you might not be one of the... Not all men. I was like the leader of like the resistance and she was just like, she thought I was like going at him too hard and she was like, you know, we should... Moderation. Yeah. We need to be moderate about this. Yeah, this is the problem. Yeah. No, I did, I played a bad person. I think I was kind of thrown in there as like, you know, the son of an unseen, very powerful voice. Oh, you're like a nepo. I'm like a nepo. And there is like a, there is like a... A generational. A generational. Bigot. Yeah. And, and I did take this, I don't, why do we don't need to talk about this? Did you work with Max? No, probably not. I did, I, one thing that was very fun was that I kind of at some point crossed over with everybody in the show. Right, you're like five episodes. Yes, but I somehow managed to have at least a small scene. Whitford? Whitford had some scenes of Whitford fucking rules. Are you kind of doing a Whitford thing with the blonde hair? He's got the white hair, but you know, just kind of the shock of hair, you know? There's nothing intentional behind it, but if there is any way that I can be compared to him, I will take it. He's someone you want to... It's a great career. It is an incredible career. And there is just something about his cadence that makes me happy. It's so specific, and yes, it is in a lot of characters that he plays, but it never feels like a crutch. And also... No, he can kind of, he can moderate, you know, modulate it. It doesn't feel like a gimmick. One thing that I find amazing about watching Bradley Whitford is that there is a real subtlety about, like he's not the most still, like, facial actor, but there is such a subtlety in his, like, facial movements that I think is so admirable. So I agree with that. In another Netflix show, The Diplomat, which is a hit show on Netflix. So it's kind of a hit. Oh, yes. It's episode on Fearless, the Peter Weir movie from 1993. Go on. I'm watching season three. Season three just dropped, right? And so in season two of the Di... You know, it's in The Diplomat. It's about what if Carrie Russell was a diplomat. Of course. And what if Rufus Siebel was her Randy husband, who just loves to almost have affairs? Like kind of a plot point in The Diplomat as Rufus Siebel keeps being like, can I fuck you? Yeah, you should fuck me. And he's like, actually, I can only fuck my wife, but I'll fight with you. Like he can't actually have affairs when he gets like, he loves to get close. And then he's just like, sorry, actually, I'm so in love with Carrie Russell. Season two introduces who's the vice president, Alice and Janney. Okay. Yes. We love Alice and Janney. Another example, yeah. And then not to spoil The Diplomat, but some things happen kind of veep style and she becomes the president. And then in season three, we meet her husband, Bradley Whitford. Okay. That's the most gimmicky version of using Bradley Whitford, right? West Wing reunion. We're marrying two West Wing actors who were, you know, not married, right? And then even still, I was like, I'm happy to see you. It's nice fucking Bradley walking. He's got a big beard or something. It's great. I just, he fucking rules. I had to do a, there's a picture of us doing dance rehearsals on a Sunday. I hear you do a dance and nobody, but he told me he keeps getting this question. I do do a dance. He does a dance. I do do a dance. But we also had to do dance rehearsals for the Handmaid's Tale. And there is a picture of Bradley Whitford. For like ballroom dancing or something? We were doing the Fox Trot. There's a maca rain at the end of the video. I'm sorry, who do you do the Fox Trot with? I'll admit I never watched the Handmaid's. Are you only on the last season? I'm only on the last season. There's a big wedding. You were the big bad. There's a big wedding. Okay. And people are like doing a sort of fancy dance during the wedding. And we were at these Fox Trot rehearsals and it's on a Sunday. And we are sitting at the studio that we're rehearsing in is called, the studio is called the Joy of Dance. And we are sitting underneath like a TV that has the logo that says the Joy of Dance. And I'm like so happy to be there. And Bradley Whitford is sitting next to me looking like the most miserable man. The most tankerous Whitford. I've ever lived and I have the biggest shit eating grin on my face underneath this sign that says the Joy of Dance. It is just two people in very different circumstances in their head. And I love that picture. David, that's terrible news. What's up? Bradley Whitford is a graduate of Juilliard. Do you not like Juilliard? No, this is a thing. I do not like people's lionization of Juilliard. I do not mind if people went to Juilliard. Griffin thinks I have a beef with Juilliard. I have a beef with the way that elite schools in this country and other countries get their dicks sucked all day and night. That's all. That's all. Here is a little bit of top. You don't like too much top. Don't go down to the shaft. The thing is, David loves to do this defense now, right? I love to do this defense now. Superman movies on Patreon. Christopher Reeve, famous graduate of Juilliard. The corn sweat, current Superman, famous graduate of Juilliard. Can you believe a guy who knows Juilliard would be Superman? Is he a famous graduate of Juilliard? Which one? Superman now? I guess he's currently very famous. He's currently becoming famous. He's holding the office of Superman. I don't know that you can say famously a graduate of Juilliard because I did not know that until just now. Well, this is why the podcast exists to educate people. Is he in the office for a minute there? If it's like you're imagining presidential terms, which is like Christopher Reeve until Superman 4 and then is it like succeeded by Dean Cain? I think he's almost more like US ambassador. Or is it like in another country? Superman, but it says acting beneath. It's sort of like there's a qualifier. And then we actually have Brandon Rouse or whatever. He graduated from the Juilliard of going through those tubes pretending to be an ice agent. It was the Juilliard of fucking proud boy training centers. He's like watch me own the lips and I'm like you're doing an assault. You are owning yourself, my friend. So David now frames it as I just have a problem with the lionization of the upper institutions. I do as well. I fucking hate higher education. Okay? Yeah. When I bring it up- I don't need higher education. Wait a second. I'm saying what I do. When I bring it up in the episode, David goes from zero to 8,000 and goes- If you bring up Juilliard again, I'm going to fucking murder you. That is the direct quote. You deserve it. You deserve it. With no explanation of why he was spinning out of control. And then he goes I don't understand why people think I hate Juilliard. You deserve it. You deserve it then and now. I'll murder you now. He only explains things 8 to 9 months ago. It's because we're doing a commentary and I'm watching it and he went to Juilliard and I'm like stop fucking bringing it up to you. Who gives a shit? I don't care where someone went to school. That is how I feel. I'm just curious about it. That quickly people are like did Juilliard murder his parents in a back alley? What's going on here? Working class guy who probably drilled this shit into me a little too hard if anything. My dad didn't go to college. Did he drive a lorry? No, I mean maybe in his younger days. Did he drive a lorry? Just going for the lowest common denominator joke there. Hitmaker. I will say. Despite your feelings about Juilliard going back to Bradley Whitford for one moment, the man is an amazing storyteller. He has a lot of great stories about being. He's been on so many sets. So many sets. Worked with so many cool people. He once told me a 20 minute breakup story that included a doctor's visit where he found out that the challenger had exploded. And that was the smallest detail of the story. The man's an incredible storyteller. So this is pre-Caximeric? Yes. How do you say your last name? I always thought it was Kazimeric. Oh, Kazimeric. Yeah. Because he was married to her. Yes, but only in the 90s. Pre-Chain Kazimeric. So it would have been like, I think college girlfriend. Okay, all right. Yeah, it would have been back then. All right, all right, Co-Ed Bradley. Man about town Bradley. What you were about to say, something Griffin. Hitmaker. Oh, yes. The previous two appearances you've made on this podcast are. Our guest, it's Timothy Simons. We've said that. Hitmaker. The shining and Joss. And also, only to digress. It is tough. To digress, and I definitely want to, we have to talk about that. I am very, the nickname Hitmaker. Mm-hmm. Coined by Tracy Letts. Coined by Tracy Letts. Who has a Pulitzer Prize. Who has a Pulitzer Prize. You got zero of those. I have zero of those. I found out from Tracy Letts that apparently you find out that you were nominated for a Pulitzer Prize at the same moment that you either win or lose it. That's why. Yeah. You basically get notified, like, right, you made the three. Yes, but they also give you a call, right, if they're like, hey, by the way, you didn't get it. Right. And like, you would just be enjoying your morning. It's an honor to be, you know, shortlisted. Yeah, to be shortlisted. Right. You're just like walking around and somebody calls you, oh, hey, by the way, you didn't win one today. Yeah. I didn't even know it was an option. If you're Tracy Letts, you're walking around probably a closet of discs somewhere. Yeah, you get the call. So he coins that and it feels like a nickname that I just don't know based on my own personal constitution that I can lean into it too hard. The reason that I am even. He's making the joke because you were on a show that was a hit. But what I am known for, nickname wise, previous. The little part of me that leans into it is that every other nickname I am publicly known by has something to do with Jizz. And it's just kind of nice. Okay. Because I was assuming like your height might be, you know, like. Because of V, because of like the JoNad files, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 I'm a host couple, like, and you shall refer to me. And you shall refer to me. I'm picturing you Joker-style leaning back in the chair. And one last thing. One last thing. But you bring me out. Call me the filmmaker. So Jaws and the Shining are the two- Right, right, right. We have an active group text with friends. Yes. You will text us once or twice a year and go, guys, I gotta come back on blank check. Oh, now we're gonna roast him. I think this is good. I think this is good. Please. Yeah. And then we're like- Get some focus. Of course. Of course. I'm not gonna be a director. Well, first we'll say we're booked up right now. The second we have new stuff on the schedule, we'll let you know. And then we go, Tim, here you go. It's the Glenn-Gary Leeds. Yes. Here's the first six months of a schedule. Take your pick. You have first crack and you always go, I don't think I really get my dick hard. But it's like David Lynch and the Cohen brothers, where the two of you are like flipping through me. Blue Velvet, is that a movie? Yeah. Or I'm sorry. I'm gonna show you Spielberg and you go, I guess I would do E.T. Raiders or Jaws. Jaws. You either only pick the three things everyone wanna do, or you go, none of these get my dick. All right, let him defend him. This guy's famous. He comes to our show. Let me defend myself. He's a hitmaker. Let me defend myself momentarily. When it came to Lynch and the Cohen brothers, I was very vocal about the Cohen brothers. And, Glenn, I know you like doing these things in person. So some of it is schedule wise. It is. I wanna honor your commitment to doing it in person. I appreciate that. When it came to the Cohen brothers, I believe I threw out a list of all of them. I still haven't seen, ever seen Lady Killers, which I am sort of embarrassed by, even though I know it's like not a favorite or whatever. You're fine. Thank you. I feel like maybe that was embellished a little bit when it came to the Coens, because I am such a huge fan of the Coens. Sure, sure. But I also want to, in a way, part of that is I don't wanna take away something from the Lynch filmography that somebody feels passionately about. When I'm a little bit more, you know, oh, I'm gonna take that away from the... I understand that. Totally, totally, totally. And the director is right. People are gonna be passionate. And then sometimes shit just doesn't get my dick hard, you know what I mean? You do drop that phrase. I bring this up not to roast you as much as to say this episode came about. Mark Anthony over. I'm not here to roast him. I'm not here to roast him. I'm not here to roast him. This episode came about a different way. We throw you the schedule. You go, honestly, I'm up for anything. You guys tell me where I could best be used. Right. And I say, have you ever seen Fearless? And you say no. And I go, I feel like that might be a hitmaker move, right? Why don't you watch it? Throw it on, tell me what you think. If you spark to in the way I think you will, it's yours. But you were a mensch about this. I was, and I think even on this list, there were things where I was like, I had just very recently seen Picnic at Hanging Rock for the first time, but there was a part of me that was like, I can't tap it. That's kind of a big, yeah. That's a my the guy. I think you're the one to speak to the sort of teenage girl experience and like turn of the century at Australia. Women going missing. But I think it, I think it's a lot of experience. Weird. Yeah. To your credit. You recognize that, yes, I may have been the perfect person for that episode. But then we're like, you know, maybe we should, maybe we should give another voice a chance on that. So look, Heavy Ways the Crown. And we loved having Hillary Clinton on that episode. We haven't booked that episode yet. It's going to be Hillary. You know, you do, you do a thing like Jaws or Shining. You're like, this has to be a three hour episode. We're going to talk about fucking every element of this movie and we'll wedge in some tangents. But like Fearless is the kind of movie I love covering on this podcast where I'm like, I think this is an excellent movie. Yeah. It is not in, does not require, right? Like an oil level drilling. Yes. No. And it offers many different tendrils of conversation. And I was excited to do something because I am passionate about the Shining and Jaws. And those are like tochemic films in and of themselves. I am sort of excited to talk about one that I didn't have like much of an emotional. I had never seen it. So I didn't really have an emotional connection to it. You've seen it twice now. Didn't really look up. And I would say even broadly, I have seen a lot of Peter Weir's movies, but I wasn't, I'm not like familiar with his style throughout his entire career. And so, and I haven't looked up anything about this one. So I'm actually really excited to find out more about Fearless today, just as somebody who, as a listener. We're here to learn. I mean, I think Peter Weir is an ultimate. His style matches the material kind of guy, right? Not that he's a chameleon. I think there are two lines. I think of him a little similar to Sidney Lumet. A little bit. I mean, but I see, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm interested as we do that. Because like the thing with Ang Lee when we did him, we picked Ang Lee because he was a blank check candidate. Obviously he made movies like Hulk that we were like perfect for the show. But we were also like, oh, he's kind of a chameleon, right? He's done a bunch of genres. Then you watch the movies and you're like, there are very obvious themes and through lines. Every single movie is about emotional repression and when it bubbles over. Yes, yes. Like, you know, made and found all this shit, you know, like, and you're like, right, and I'm excited to see this with Peter Weir too. I do feel like he was a little bit more of a, I want to do something different, like, you know, consciously. Like as he was approaching projects to seize a crewing fame. It's also an era in Hollywood when there were interesting scripts that you could pivot to. Yeah. And I know your team, like, I want, find me something that's more dramatic. Find me something that's more going to cost this much money, right? Like versus like, whatever, I'm Peter Weir, so I do this sort of movie. Like the story of this movie is he had made Green Card and he was like, well, I don't want to do something as light next time. Like it's a broad, you know, sort of direction for him to go in, but he's thinking of directions to go in. The book comes out the same year as the movie. So this is a thing that gets optioned as a manuscript. It's not adapting a hit book, right? And it's not even like you read the galleys of this thing and you go like, holy shit, this is the Da Vinci code. People are going to lose their minds. I imagine you go, this is a good piece of writing, you know, and this is a good vehicle for a good actor. And Jeff Bridges is certainly a star at this period of time, but he's not Harrison Ford. He's not Mel Gibson. He's not Robin Williams. He's not the lead talk about it. The studio was a box office, right? He's like one of the best actors working in the studio system in the nineties, the studio system in Hollywood in the nineties. But he's a guy who kind of has a little bit of a box office ceiling while having like ultimate credibility. And you look at the poster for this movie, this isn't a blank check movie, but the top thing of the poster is from the director of witness and dead poets. Right. He's got these two big grownup Hollywood hits that he can now like, you know, advertise off of. Even if he's not a household name, this is an era where you could put that at the top of a poster and people would walk by it and go like, I liked the way those movies made me feel. And also it seems like, and this is a broad statement, I guess, and I don't want it to be detrimental to audiences right now. This also very much seems like a movie that could be made in 1993 where you see those two movies above the title. And this is not like necessarily a fun, exciting night out at the movies. It's a movie I really, really enjoyed. But it also is not like, hey, let's go to the cinema play. The audience was willing to engage with a movie like this. To some extent, yeah. It was a modest hit, I would say, right? Like it made. Okay. Was the studio not happy with Jeff Bridges being cast? Well, you'll just, I can go into the dossier, but like, weir's first call was to Mel Gibson, who's someone he'd worked with before, who's obviously a giant star. And Gibson was busy making his first film, the man without a face, and probably doing other normal stuff. And, you know, like, he's your best friend. You can probably speak to him better than me. I was in the car when he got pulled over that one time. Say more stuff. Say more stuff. You pitched him sugar tits. I did. I was like, it's going to be like a little harsh, but they'll find it funny. They're not recording this. You're not recording. You passed him a list of alts, dog fucker. I know that's not how you use it. When he, you know, Gibson passed, Peter Weir then went to the studio and was like, I'm thinking Jeff Bridges. And they were like, oh, we were thinking another Mel Gibson type famous person. We like Jeff Bridges just fine, but that's not that tier of fame. So they were disappointed when, you know, they learned he was like, no, no, no, Jeff Bridges. We're talking about this a lot in this series, but because Weir was so much a guy who worked with the top A-list stars and was a guy that these stars trusted either brought on to develop their projects or would sign up to the project because he was directing it. This is still a time where if you have one of the 10 guys above the title, you can basically sell the audience on whatever they're doing. Yeah. You can take something that seems a little challenging or a little un-commercial and a studio will give it tens of millions of dollars and full promotional support and the audience will like go along for the ride. And you're like across the 90s, he works with and the 80s. Sure. He works with Gibson, Williams, Ford and Kerry. Yeah. Right. And he works with two of those guys two times. And let's not forget the other A-list that he worked with. Drawed the button. Oh, that's a normal man. A normal man who definitely did not like pee in the eye. I need to go. I need to go. It is time. The line is too long. I feel like that was also a very short flight. It's just a guy from Lower Merlin. He's a very short flight. Yeah. It was LA to San Francisco. It was LA to San Diego. He's like, I got to go. Just open the door. The fearless sequel. The fearless sequel is everyone taking off the plane like so shaken except for one guy who's like, I feel fine. And it was like, sure, Debra, you just pissed all over our plane. That was the open the doors of the piss. The one thing that I read was that initially it wasn't a plane crash. It was just they all witnessed a man pee in the aisle. And then they were like, I saw a death in that moment. Have we planted a flag that witness is the blank check? What is the blank? I would say the guarantor is year of living dangerously personally, but we'll get there. I think that's the guarantor that gets them into Hollywood. I think witness is the guarantor for the next. For the rest. Because like witness is kind of that movie. Obviously it's got Harrison Ford. So he helps. But the wild success of that film certainly means it's like he is now the kind of director pretty much anyone would want to work with. It's a big hit. He gets the best picture. Best director, best actor. But also it is that thing where like, oh, dead poets and, you know, he made Harrison Ford respected as an actor. Yeah. And the same with dead poets and Robin Williams, I guess. Yeah. And there's a certain degree. The last guy who kind of had this for better or worse and mostly for worse was David O'Russell. Yeah. Where it was just like people know it's automatic if you're in his movie, you have a really good shot at getting an Oscar. You've got awards campaign. Right. You won't get yelled at on set. Right. No. And I think a lot of these A-list guys really were just like, I trust this guy. He's unlocking new corridors of movie stars, you know? Two questions for was, was Picnic at Hanging Rock a reclamation or was that something that really put him on the map at the time? Very much put him on the map. Art house sensation. Really big deal. And then. Australian cultural phenomenon in America and the States, art house phenomenon beyond respect. And then where was Jeff Bridges in his career? Okay. So we got to talk about it because, right, look. Good. I want to talk about it. He's been building bridges for 20 years at this point. Amazing stuff. You look at his career and you, you, you doff your cap. Is he one of your guys, Tim? He has always historically been one of those, one of those guys and probably because of Lebowski has been one of those guys that I have always loved. But as I have gone back and started filling holes, a huge one I had never seen the last picture show. And then I was like, I was like, Oh, that's why he's a fucking movie star. Yeah. He's like this sort of shlubby, like he was a beautiful fucking movie star. It's very true. He was beautiful, but I do feel like for such a cutie pie, he took these roles, the early stuff like fat city, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. He's like, I will play the face. I'll play the young guy, but it'll be in a dark movie that's like, you know, tragic and sort of playing against my handsomeness in a way. Right. I mean, those are the two early ones post. But he's the kind of cocky hotshot. Your bright, it gets taken down a bit. Right. Because he also does stuff we don't remember. Like he made a NASCAR movie called The Last American Hero, which I think is more probably just more direct. Like what if he was a cocky hotshot guy? He entered the grid, of course. Well, we'll get there. But you know, in the 70s, just to do more of the seven, you know, stay hungry. He's really good. And that's a good movie that Bob Raffles, King Kong, he see gorilla. Yeah. He see gorilla. Crunchy. He's a tantalist. Winter Kills, a movie I know Ben enjoyed. Yeah, I just saw it recently. Which has had a bit of a revival of late. Winter Kills? Yeah, dude. You would dig Winter Kills. It's kind of like a weird, like satire of the JFK assassination. It's like a parallax view spoof movie kind of. It's a very strange film. That sounds like it fucking rules. It does kind of rule. And then Heaven's Gate, right? It's not, I don't think really held against anybody. He's not even a big part of that movie. That movie's held against Shamid. Like it's not held against Chris Christofferson or whatever. So here, this is the other thing we just have to call out if we're like even setting up the beginning of Bridges. His dad just fucking work a day career actor, right? Yeah, of course. And it is instilled in him and his brother just the fucking work ethic of this is a job. This is how you treat people right. This is how you show up and he would throw his kids little parts on the shows. He was working sea hunt and stuff, you know? Like Lord Bridges was just a guy, right? Without being a star, but have like a solid career and just really drilled into them. Like you can't take this for granted. Every job's a gift. You got to show up and give it your best. And then he talks about Last Picture Show being the first moment where he's like, Oh, I like see how I could build a life out of this. Yeah. Where it went from being a thing of like, I don't know, this has kind of gotten thrown to me. And he gets this Oscar nomination for Last Picture Show. Another for Thunderbolt and Life. Well, the Last Picture Show nominations, the kind that doesn't happen that often anymore where you're like, this is not some extreme dramatic part, but a guy just fucking nails it so hard. It's the sort of like Jude Law talented Mr. Ripley, like welcome to the club nomination. And then Thunderbolt is like, congratulations, you've graduated to two-hander with Clint Eastwood and you've held your own. Not just held. I think he, Eastwood, I think was annoyed that he was like, this guy's fucking getting, having all the fun. Like this guy gets the fun part. Which is that nomination of like, you might actually be like a fucking movie star. But are we in infrastructure week right now? Because we're building bridges? Yeah, because we're building bridges. Build back better. We got to build back better. I should play Biden. One thing that I love. Right? Yeah. Got it? He actually went, good. He'd be really good. Moving pretty slow. Yeah. David? Yes. Ah. Oh. God. This is life throwing another thing at me. Oh no. Did you catch it? No, I got hit with it. I got pelted pretty hard. It's going to leave a bruise. How's that to-do list? It's tough. It's tough and life keeps throwing more things at me. Okay. Well, is there maybe something that we could take off your plate? Have someone else help you out with? Perhaps a trusted tasker from TaskRabbit. David, I would love nothing more. 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He's had like the same standard for like, I want to say maybe 50 years now who's like his best friend. And they're amazing sort of like photo montages. You can see of them styled together across the decades of they just kind of like live in tandem. He's been like married to the same woman for a decade. Like there's shit like this, but also I think it's like that Heaven's Gate moment doesn't knock him down. Well, because this guy's reputation is just like, I think within industry. I want to speak to this. Well, within the industry, right, professional, great, does interesting things. Arguably until true great. He was never seen as a guy who could like really guarantee box office, but I think he's like consummate pro. Of course. Everyone likes working with him. He's never bad. Well, except if you tell him that Tony Stark, you know, you can't build like the arc reactor and he knows that Tony Stark pieces here built it in a cave from a box of scraps. Who wouldn't get frustrated by that? It's frustrating. It's like a fun brought up Juilliard. You'd have to snap it. You have to be like, no, I'm going to build the arc reactor. Yeah. I just when you look at his sort of post what you're, you know, the first two noms, right? You look at the King Kong Winter Kills, Heaven's Gate Cutters, Way Tron. You are, I am like, right. He did a lot of interesting projects and none of them really like financially succeeded. I think King Kong made money, but under well, right? Things like that. So it's like by the time he does Starman in 84, a film we've covered a film that really I was thinking about a lot. While I was watching Fearless. Their silly performances and interesting work. Right. Because you're both about people who are a little outside of reality, right? Who are like one step removed from being normal humans. And so much of it. In Starman because he is Starman. He's observing. Like watching him look at stuff. And he's so tremendous in both movies. Yeah. But yeah, by the time he makes Starman, it's like, yeah, he's, you know, he's a little weird and he's like the guy Carpenter would use to play like kind of a weird guy. And to your point, like two nominations before he's 25 and then it takes another 10 years before they give him. The best actor nomination. Right. Right. For Starman. Then he did Jagged Edge, you know, morning after he does these like kind of grown up thriller period. Tucker, which he rocks him. So good. And he's, have you seen Tucker Man in his dream, the FFC Coppola, Megaphalus guy? Great. Great bridges. Is that the guy who made the car? Oh, yes, I have seen Tucker. I haven't. I watched that. I think when I was in. Have you seen Smucker's the man in his dream about the guy did the jelly? No. No, that one I missed. Then he does peanut butter and then it just fall the wheels fall off. You ever seen a peanut butter solution? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is a good. Severin kids release. You got that? Did they put it out? Oh yeah. You ever seen the peanut butter Falcon? People. I didn't see the peanut butter Falcon, but the guy that wrote and directed it used to go to my gym. Really? Actually, currently I now. I thought you were going to say high school or something. You're a lion. You go to gym in Los Angeles. I could never believe such a thing. I we actually used to go to one gym and now that gym and then that gym closed and now we go to a new gym and he's at this new gym. This is an honest podcast. Also, it's just like this is the kind of incendiary stuff we can't put on. We need lawyers to get this. We're an independent podcast. Liability or exposing us to here. Look, my point is after this weird kind of up and down 80s and this is something Peter Weir says when he. In the dossier when he says like I was drawn to bridges. It's like fabulous Baker boys 89 Fisher King 91. Like it's kind of like this is an interesting actor like who is a real movie star. He is a real movie star. Undeniably. I would say the fabulous title boys. The fabulous Baker boys is the first time in my life that I was aware of Jeff Bridges. Yeah. Well, I never saw rocks in it. You should see it. It should see it right now. It's like those movies that like my parents were talking about. My mom's favorite movie of all time. He's he's always good, but there's something about when Bridges hits his 40s in the 90s. This makes sense. This makes perfect sense. This is good. This is like he's a grown up movie star with an interesting edge. I also think it's just to this point, right? This is an era where if there's a good script that a good director is interested in. If there's an interesting piece of material around town, the studio goes like, we want to make this. Let's offer it to Mel, both Tom's, whoever. And then they pass and they go like, OK, let's move down a tier on the list. Let's open it up. Right. They don't go, well, then we're not going to make it. Yeah. And Bridges kind of becomes this guy where a lot of those movies he did, you imagine that the 10 guys above him all turned it down. And then the studio goes like, I guess we can get Bridges for cheap. And the director is like, great, I get to cast Jeff Bridges. Like he's kind of the most interesting consolation movie star. Yeah, I think that's fair. He's always going to deliver. Well, let me open the dossier, in fact, to tell you what happened here. And I also want to throw in a question. Whatever that list above him is, and we don't need to get into like the specifics of the movie quite yet. Yeah. Is there any one of those actors that you think would have given as compelling a performance? No. I kind of, I find it perfect for this. He's kind of perfect. Here's who I thought of. Yeah. Because of Unbreakable, Bruce Willis. Because Unbreakable is a sort of like, you know, very, very different movie, but sort of a similar idea of a guy who's kind of like, fucking nothing happened to me like, and who is recovering from an accident. But Bruce, I don't think was ready for this yet. No, he'd be like, you doing wisecracks. Right. And he makes sense as if Peter Weir had said, what about Bruce Willis? And he'd been like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, great, great, great. Like, we like that. You know, that'll sell. I feel like you texted last night, like all caps. What was it? Peak bridges. Bridges excellence. Bridges excellence. And I have. He is true from minute one. You're just like, I'm in good hands. Unbelievable. And also the best head of hair I've ever seen. Okay. A fucking lion's man. Ben, speak to this for a second. I want to throw something at you. The way he looks in this movie, especially the sort of first look, the jacket, the glasses, the hair, this is how men should look. I kept thinking this. Like sort of early 90s. It's the number one. Like the suits are a little bigger. The suiting is so fantastic. It's very much that trend of that time where it was the, the sports jacket was like kind of a little bit longer. Yes. Yes. Just like a little baggier. Because the 80s are over. The Armani influence. The hair and the sunglasses when he's leaning against the car. Those glasses. Get me them right now. Chat GPT. How do I buy them? This is what AI should be for. Truly I like left watching that for the first time. And it was like all of those looks like I need to start wearing sports jackets. Yeah. He looks so. And then even the slacks, they're a little bit loose. They're kind of like a little bit higher waist cut. Is this just like, do I just want to live in like 1992 and have like a palm pilot? Yes. The whole aesthetic. Well, I want to be him. It is Jeff Bridges. He's also, he's one of those guys where if you rough him up 10%, he gets 50% more handsome. Like him with like a little bit of dirt looking a little hungover. He's a natural line. Some scrapes across the face. You're like, holy shit. If I am not mistaken, because I rewatched it recently, I believe that this was the main visual reference for creepy CGI Jeff Bridges and Tron Legacy. You know, it makes sense that he identified his face. This is his physical peak. If you're trying to visually create the uncanny valley of what's the Jeff Bridges frozen in time moment, it's this. That makes sense. Yeah. That's interesting. You could try to Fran Leibowitz those glasses. Go ahead and speak on that. It's where, did you ever read this interview with Fran Leibowitz? You can have to be more specific. No, no, no, you know what? Christian answered the question. Okay. Yes. Where they're talking about her style and she was basically like, did you ever read this interview with Bruce Willis? I'm just like, well, what? Sorry. One of the most prolific interviewer givers that has ever been. She had this interview about her style and she was basically like, the shirt that I wear, she wears like one shirt and she has her glasses. She's got a Doug Fonny closet. Yes. It's the same outfit. It's the same outfit every day. And she was like, at some point, the shirt maker that made those shirts stop making them. So I had to start having them custom made. But then what also happened is the glasses maker that makes my glasses stop making them. And I had to have those custom made. And then you'll know about this. Suiting custom made shirts, not inexpensive, but not insane. I think if you're a friendly boy. They were like, well, how much does it cost to have glasses made? And it really, she would not give a number, but broadly was like, how much does a car cost? That was the number. If it's one of one like that. If it's like one of one. And I'm sure if they were making them, she was like, make me two or three while you were there. But I think that basically meant buying two or three cars. But it's like the right, when like they're making the bat suit in Batman begins. We bought 10,000 because might as well, like we're making them. Yeah. You're like these parts now basically need to be uniquely. Machined for her. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I think that is what she referenced in the article. I'll go look up that interview. If you just want to Google Fran Liebowitz interview, I'm sure it'll be the first one. Right. I'll just, I'll actually just yell it into my phone. She only did one. I think though that now with 3D printing. I bet that it's actually a little bit more inexpensive, but I'm sure, you know, this is like a very recent technology. Yes. You definitely would have to get a mold created that then they would have to fill with plastic or whatever the material base is. So yeah, it was not a process, probably less expensive. Now, can I just say, did you guys see the interview with Harrison Ford where he talked about Jay Leno? Don't answer the question. Yeah, we know. Jay Leno. No, I think so. Jay Leno 3D printed him a toilet seat. This is the deal. This is the most. The most charming. Something that's what he said when he handed it to him. Celebrity interview I have ever seen. Wait, who's interviewing him about this? Like who is, it's not Jay Leno. No, he is in an interview. I can't even remember which one. I think it was him. It was, what's the movie? Oh, it was probably for Red Hulk. That was the name of the movie. It is. He's being interviewed by MPR, the nice lady from MPR, not Terry Gross, another one. Tension, you quickly just please pay respects to our president, Salute. There he is, of course, the president. You can't invoke him without showing some proper respect. Jay Leno calls him during the interview. He's like, hey, you have toilet seats ready. And she's like, why is Jay Leno calling you? And he was like, oh, he's making me a toilet seat. And then goes on to explain that he has a rare toilet seat. Jesus. Or a rare toilet that does not have any new seats, but he loves the toilet. And Jay Leno has a 3D printer. Has the technology because of all the car shit that he does. And Jay was like, I'll take care of that for you. I'm not doing it justice, but it's a very charming interview. I'm just kind of realizing. You know, Harrison Ford, as we've, I think, brought up on other episodes, he's, yeah, he's been given some charming interviews of light. There's a wild card with Rachel Martin. There you go. There you go. We did our witness episode with the great Amanda Dobbins very recently. And talking about how that's a like peak physical form, the best, one of the best looking men in the history of movies has ever looked movies. And yet watching this just a week or two later, I'm like, this might actually be the number one look a guy has ever had on screen. Yeah. Yeah. This in a way, and I'm not saying any of us could attain it. This feels somewhat more attainable than Pete Harrison Ford. Yes. There is a possibility that another human being could look like this. There's something weirdly, a little more every man about him. Yeah. And his handsomeness comes from like, it is not an obvious chiseled perfection. Yeah. But I also think this era of him in the nineties, his work just feels so like simple and effortless while clearly being thoughtful and like so. Felt like deeply soulful. But you're like everything. This man is just like so comfortable on camera, understands the medium and has just like honed his fucking craft. And then Lebowski obviously like breaks something in him that leads to the next era of I'm a Billy Goat, Gruff, Eaton, and Tin Can. I live under a bridge. Right. And like everything after that point becomes something else, which he's very good at. What were his nineties after this? Jeff Bridges, it's a good question. And I'm going to hear to answer it for you because I do think it's not like a get his look, he made the big Lebowski. So like he has a great nineties, right? But he does make a lot more stuff that goes over okay to bad. So the vanishing remake, he's actually good in that, you know, but I think ultimately pretty good movie except for the fact that make of a better movie or whatever blown away. He kind of rocks in it. He does a lot of like yelling movies. So blown away, White Squall, Arlington Road, all kind of solid movies where he yells a bunch. Right. None of them classics. Yeah. And then there's the old bill where he plays while Bill Hickok for Walter Hill was a huge failure. Right. And that felt like the first, the biggest stretch he had done in a while. Yeah. In terms of like a bit. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Mira has two faces, a movie we've covered on this podcast. Very normal. The issue with it is how normal it is. It's too normal. Just regular and nothing weird happens. You forget you're watching a movie and not looking at a blank piece of paper. Right. Or just like right watching your friends hang out. It is so reflective of the way normal people talk today. But then the thing with the right dialogue, the way they're right, the way they interact and dress and behave. But like with the Bowsky, it's like, the Bowsky shirt doesn't do very well at the time, but very quickly you see love of bridges. Right. Like so the contender, he plays the fucking president. He's great in that movie. It's another Oscar nomination. Oh, that was with, why am I blanking on the John Allen? Yes. Yeah. Maybe you don't support women or good actors or whatever. No, no, no. No, you don't. Exactly. Thank you for bringing it up because I have my own dossier of things I wanted to make clear. And one of them was I don't support women. Women should be the leads of movies. Yes. That was. Sean Fancy coined a new term to describe when Tim goes off, which is movie maga mode. And like I want to make it clear that movie maga mode is basically like a little bit of a nitpick of a movie that most people agree is perfection. I feel like that's what my movie maga takes on. It's actually right wing opinions expressed through movie. It's like the tone or tenor, the like energy. Tim leans in and says, am I crazy? And then throws out a I'm just asking questions movie take. And am I proud of this? Yeah. No, but I do think every once in a while, I love an unbridled positivity toward the movie going and movie watching experience. Yeah. And I'm going to direct this to you. Oh, yeah. And I don't griffin. I should be directing this to you. But every once in a while, Griffin will refer to a film that is not a masterpiece as a masterpiece. Such as any, any in particular that you're thinking of. Well, I don't think I've ever been wrong about this. So I'd love to hear you pull one example. I mean, I feel like, look, this isn't the example, but a thing that has come up recently when we're talking about physical media is like Griffin would just sort of casually be like, Oh, the movie sliver. That's a masterpiece. I don't think Griffin did that. No, yeah. Okay, okay. But let's say that as an example of like a God bless it bad movie. They announced small soldiers 4k steel book and I go, obviously inarguable masterpiece. Yes. And everyone in the group text agrees with me and we move along. That is, I think that would be an example. Right. And that makes you go movie mega mode. Just to give you bridges 90s. Yeah. You know, I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, I've seen the 2000s. I just feel like he packs. He packs is it. He tries to nail K-Pax to the wall. That guy's like fucking Joey. Yes or no alien. He slips him a piece of paper. Are you an alien? Check one. Space is like, I'll never tell stuff like sea biscuit, like door in the floor, which he's really good in Iron Man, obviously even like less seen stuff like tight land. He's becoming a little bit of elder states. Right. He's entering young grandpa. Even if he's first build, he's kind of supporting someone else. And we all support him and love him. But then post crazy heart, he has the genuine like, I guess he's a 60 plus year old movie star. Right. Like crazy heart, true grit, man, who's Derek goats, the Tron legacy, you know, he's all over that movie. Good and bad. RIPD. Well, it's round and up the rest in pieces. The giver. We obviously talked about it on the Cohen series, but true grit and Tron legacy come out a week apart from each other. They sure do. The two movies are just like burning up the box office together. And Hollywood goes like, I guess he's box office gold now. And then, and then he has this run of terrible big budget. Some of them are bad. Seven song RIPD giver all nightmares. Give her, but the giver is an example of it's like, he had been trying to make that movie for so long. And it's only post like true grit, right? Did he finally ask the club was like, all brood or giver, you know, and they're like, all right, all right, all right, we'll make it. The crazier thing about the giver, he read the book when it came out. Excellent book. It's the best book options it and goes, I want to make this as a movie starring my dad. Right. That was his big thing was he wanted Lloyd to play. Give us gotta be old. Yes. And then eventually he like Lloyd had died. He aged into it. He has an Oscar. He's seen his box office now. And then they fuck up every single aspect of the movie is a real bummer. Yeah. And so, you know, he's doing great. I think he's even great. I mean, obviously, Heller Highwater was like, no, six Oscar now. Yeah. And he rocks in that movie. But you're right. That's not the true grit. The crazy heart moment was bizarre because there was this feeling of like, oh, I guess we never realized that he's overdue for an Oscar. He didn't have that same kind of narrative to him as like, when are they going to give it to DiCaprio or Julianne Moore or some of these people? Because his nominations were spaced out and it was always a sort of like, oh, right. Yeah. And then that movie like premieres at Toronto and everyone's like, fuck, we could just get him the Oscar. Whatever we could go full court press and he could probably win. And Heller Highwater, I feel like there's that like that last moment where where I believe he shoots Ben Foster spoilers for the 2012. Ben Foster has never played a character in a movie that would require shooting. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. No, I would say broadly. Yeah. No, he's always playing a guy who's on the right side of the law. Shake your hand in fact. Let him cook. Let him cook. Ben Foster just let's hear what he has to say. Yeah. Is death a coming? Yeah. That's a 30 days of night quote. Good. But I feel like everybody is going to get. Absolutely. Masterpiece. Exactly. I'm joking. I've never seen that movie. You haven't seen it? No. Ben Foster is really good and scary in the opening scene. And he's got like a real like rom-com. Yeah. That noise. That's death. I'll call that. And it's so good. I don't know if the movies. That's not the kind of line I can picture coming out of his mouth and certainly not with like an accent. He didn't like to do those. The Jeff Bridges performance in that last moment or in those later in like that in that scene in Heller Highwater. I feel like his indicative of Jeff Bridges broadly which is he gives you something that contains three emotions that you that no one else could do. Yeah. He finds a way to have a reaction to these situations that feels completely singular and also emotionally true for the entire audience watching it. That's a great way of putting it. And you know post crazy heart all these characters become a lot larger and more overstated and he's obviously turned into like a bearded burpin man. But when you see him in interviews present day the dude is much closer to his cruising altitude as a guy. Yeah. And then he loves playing these like ornery old coots or whatever. Right. Yeah. But this nineties era where he's doing that in a movie like Fearless where I think this movie is excellent. And I'm wondering if this is an episode to coin a term for this kind of thing. But a movie that is uniformly excellent and yet there is a stretch of it that is like transcended where I think the first 30 minutes of this movie to me in the book ends to me. It's the first 30 kind of last 20 or really what the first 30 I like yes. The first 30 are basically like why is this film not talked about constantly. Right. I understand like that Schindler's List came out in 1993 like or whatever but like why am I not always hearing about Fearless. And then the middle is not bad at all. It is good. It is makes sense for the movie it's trying to be or whatever but it's a little less thrilling I guess whatever you know. And no point does the movie lose me. But the first 30 minutes I'm as you're saying leaning and going like wait is this actually one of the best films ever made. And it has a little bit of that picnic at hanging rock thing where you're like what is this mood. He's so spooky. Right. What is this feeling with such kind of like invisible craft. I cannot think of another movie that feels like this. And so much of it is him being able to do this especially in the first chunk where he is inscrutable right where not talking about a while until we backfill kind of who this guy is. Which is really just like what the fuck is motivating his decisions. I understand he just walked off of a plane crash but why is he doing this. And you're so locked into everything he's doing because every little moment is like three hyper specific emotions that are legible without being like overly communicated to the audience right. He's not doing anything like showy he's not indicating. And it's almost like the thing that he gets to the emotion that he gets to. Is the one that in the script is supposed to be there or maybe other actors could find their way to it's just he somehow manages to choose the most interesting path to it. Yeah. Yeah. The film just to give you the dossier a little bit. Like I said Peter Weir had done that poet society in green card basically back to back because he was trying to get green card made makes that poet society while he's trying to get that made and then goes right to green card. And he said he needed a rest. He was apparently covered in French piss not sure what's going on there. Do your taxes for you. Here is the trick you know file. We have not recorded our great episode. I have some ideas. The time we're doing this I just like I can't even imagine that is going to be on. Piss strokes our listeners will have heard at this point is going to be on listen a movie. I green card to be clear a movie I really love and like like really is a movie that makes me happy but the pieces of jokes. So he's Peter Weir kind of a wellness king I'm going to say kind of a self healing. Because he's just like moving going back to Sydney and I'm going to chill. I am going to apparently spend this break reading swimming learning French and tending to my garden. That's right. Taking it easy. And he thinks exactly he never moved to LA. He thinks that like it kind of helped his directorial I stay sharper to stay out of the scene a little bit. And hook from Hollywood directors. That is true. And he does say this here like it's too bad. I never saw like a six five guy at a gym who was on an HBO show. What do you six six six six six six six six in that little range. They're crazy that that's quote in there. I know it's a day for dinner in 1993 to premiere magazine. And he doesn't want to make another green card. He's like green card had done six. It was successful. It was direction I didn't want to continue in. I was a little uneasy with the success. I wanted to do something a little more difficult. Well Hollywood always wants you to do the thing you just did. Of course they're going to throw those those versions of the scripts they've got and he wants to make a rom-com people are like you can't make a rom-com. He makes a rom-com well and they're like congrats you proven it make 10 more rom-coms. So he dips his toe back into the you know blah like situation. He's a big deal director. He's an Oscar nominee. And so he says times now those and he says he got sent I think three. He got a green card now I'm too for screenplay. And he got sent a bunch of scripts. He said that we're basically like go pictures. Right. Yeah. You're a big shot. Like what do you want to do. And he was like these are all suck like not interested. Nothing edgy nothing strange. Everything was clear and logical. Nothing was unconscious. And he said all these films are out right now. They are films that were made. I'd love to know. Like you know. But basically he's like these are scripts that Hollywood had cleaned up already. You know what I mean. And I just was bored by like whatever notes get put through you know the studios. Yeah. Yeah. Fearless however right is based like you said it's a it's a spec script based on a book that hasn't even come out yet. Yeah. I feel a glacis father of normal man. Madaglacius had written this book. It was like I think his seventh book or something like and it's the first draft script and we're is like like thank you. This has not been fucked with. This is weird. He adapts his own unpublished book. Yeah. Right. Get me this right away now. Raphael Glacius is inspired by he was in a car accident. Long time in like in the 70s or whatever and had like walked away. You know no injuries. Shaken up. He's still got that kind of like he took him days to readjust to life. He starts getting obsessed with plane crashes which normal people like me are also obsessed with. Oh I feel like this really will lead to a we have to have a sidebar. We're pinning this on the board. It's not a sidebar. It's a main bar. It's a satellite. We're going to crash. And then he in 89 reads about the notorious United Flight 232 crash. I don't know if you know about it which is like a famous crash crash in aviation history in that like the thing that happened was a one in a million thing like a crazy mechanical failure that fucked up the engines and the hydraulics. So the plane you know landed but crash landed onto like you know they tried to get it on a runway but not really in like the South Dakota or Iowa or some you know somewhere. And a lot of people died but a lot did not. And some people walked out on scale and other people died. It was like a hundred people died. 180 survived something like it's and it is in like a plane crash history. They have simulated a million times and it's never this been they've never gotten this good a result. They're like we don't understand how like this actually went quote unquote so well. But also in an era of newly launched 24 hour news. Yes. I feel like plane crash culture explodes in the 90s. You know if a plane crash goes wrong it's like we're staying on this beat for days and following it. This felt like I don't know the coverage of these things became a lot louder than it had previously been. I'm sure for sure. Is Hero the same year as this movie? Stephen Fears movie. I think that film Star Jet Lee and came out in 2002. Different film. No I think that was also by the way title of a jet Lee film. Yeah right. That's right. Good not a bad movie. Hero is 92 so the year before. OK. A very different movie but it's similarly kind of a plane crash with yes what happens to the people who walk off walk out of a crash alive. So We Are Likes the script has some notes pretty much immediately which is kind of his move like that's what he did with dead poet society as well. Initially he's like I really thought it was a daring movie but it's two movies. The first 25 pages the original script was straight through right so plane crash then after that. Oh sure. The other pages are about the plane crash how you cope with the knowledge you're going to die all this and then the next part is that. So he's like no we're going to interspersed the plane crash throughout right like we're going to do the structure of the movie which is basically like start after the crash and then build the flashbacks out a little bit little by little which I think is why the movie works. Yeah. Because you'd be too overwhelmed if it started with the plane crash. Yeah it's too conventional. And it's conventional. What's so striking about the opening. It's about him reaching an emotional realization about what happened to him right like so it helps to see it. I mean another great film about a plane crash Sally does basically the same thing. Agreed. But also this movie is about like a rebirth right that he walks off he walks out of this crash feeling like a different person in a way. And so dramatically the most impactful thing you can do is start the movie with that guy and then slowly catch up to everyone around him being like the fuck happened to you because the first 30 minutes he does feel like Starman. Yes. Like is this a person who's outside of reality being in a place before. Yeah. What are we going to say hit maker. Well it is like no I say to baby Joey and who is that to the baby from Superman your favorite movie of 2025. Oh yeah. What's my favorite movie of 2025. The and he did go to Juilliard and he well you can see. Fucking murder you. I think there is something interesting about like yes about that structure and as he gets sort of closer back to real life him remembering more and more of it or whatever the audience learning more and more about it you could also then say he's remembering more and more of it if that if you want to take that examination of it. But also like the first 25 minutes are a little bit odd to cope with because you realize that he didn't call his wife. Yes. Like that is I mean that is if I'm his wife I have some notes. I have some I have some questions. Some cues. Wait you mean to tell me you just went to go visit your college girlfriend. Let's just like speed round. Okay. Movie starts he's walking through a cornfield. It's like with a baby. Quiet Warner Brothers logo and then it's like cornfield. Here's Jeff Bridges with a baby. He's very calmly like who's missing a baby. That's the baby back says goodbye to the child goes to first responders is like I gotta get in a train gets on a train meets up with his college girlfriend orders a bowl of rasberries goes to the hotel. I mean he takes a shower. Realizes that he's got a gash inside. That should be like stitched. It's a deep gash. But everyone else is like crying and screaming and he's like playing crash. I need to get to a hotel. Yeah. Find my college ex girlfriend. I'd check out my chest. Eat the strawberry. She's like aren't you fucking allergic while she's like spiraling about her life has gone awry. Debra Monk by the way absolutely crushing that scene. Yes. So fucking good. Yes. I she like I just love someone like that like a theater actor who can just come in and be like I'll give you a full picture of this first. You're real calm in this movie. Yes. Absolutely. Out of control into scenes. Yep. I did like a short film that. You heard of it. Huh? Short film. Short film. Shorty's watching Shorty's. My friend Dan Bola wrote and directed. He is a. SNL. SNL writer. Yeah. And there was it's about a guy who thinks he wins the lottery and then just kind of goes off the rails. And at one point there was a moment in this movie that I really liked that if anybody's ever seen the short film Winners by Dan Bola. I wonder if it was when he's basically eats the strawberry and he and she's like I thought you were thought you were allergic and he was like I'm past all that. There's a moment in Winners where somebody says to me you're not wearing shoes and I just say I'm done with shoes. Good. And this is a very deep cut reference but I really liked that moment just because he was like it almost feels you know what it feels like. And I think you should leave sketch. And Robinson character where he's like I'm past all that. I mean past all that. People can change. People can change. People can change. Mrs. Doubtfire. This guy used to slop up his stakes. Mrs. Doubtfire is also 93. OK. So there's two movies about strawberry allergies in 1993. Right. Isn't it Mrs. Doubtfire strawberries. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's. I just know the famous quote. Which is of course. Hello. No. It's 15 minutes before he returns home but it feels like 30 because the movie is just operating like out of space and time almost very dreamy. But yeah they find him outside the diner. Yeah. The representative from the airline is like this is the last guy we haven't been able to track down and do damage control with. Right. And I mean well there's the two there's the guys where he's like I'm under arrest and like I mean no you haven't done anything. No they're just like you're just being weird. Do you recognize this man and it's his like the license of his business partner. John DeLancey. And he's like yeah. They're trying to. I do. They're trying to ID John DeLancey because John DeLancey's body was separated from his head. But also like is this guy a liar. I mean that's what's going on. Right. So much of this movie is the struggling. What are you going to do. All the insurance companies and the lawyers and how does all of this get settled. And this guy is just like beyond all of that. Right. And then the right the right I love the airline lady being like so we booked you on Amtrak of course and he's like I'll take a plane right now baby first class. And she's like OK cool. And she's got to be thinking like this is so great for us. Yeah. Like how can he. Right. Right. That's all of these conversations are everyone walking on pins and needles trying to make sure that there no one's going to say the thing that costs them a hundred million dollars. Right. And they put him on the plane next to John Titoro playing a very calm dry. This is great. Casting. Man. Him and Tom physically dry. Yeah. Like yeah. I mean this is like it's a couple of years after Jungle Fever. Like I think he's mostly at this point still a Spike Lee guy. Right. Like and like you know those early Woody Allen movies that he's in. He's done Miller's Crossing already or is that the same. Miller's Crossing is yeah. What is that 90. Yeah. So he's done Miller's Crossing as well. God he's just so he's just a guy you like to see in a movie. Yeah. I feel like they're coasting off a lot of look into your heart in this. Sure. Of like right is this guy a fucking rat. He's you know a therapist hired by the airlines to manage the psychological kind of trauma of the survivors who they kind of sneak onto the plane next to him. Bridges immediately calls him out and then like minute 15 he walks through his front door to his wife and child who he has made no attempt to contact and everyone is balling their like 10 family members there. Oh sure. Tom Holtz is a lawyer. I never thought he's planted. I didn't even actually make the connection. I thought it was just random but it makes more total sense that like they rushed him like last minute to get into that seat on that flight. Right. But because they're like this guy says he wants to go back on a plane but like 90 percent chance the thing takes off and he starts screaming and ripping the chairs out. Totally. Everyone's in such a like intense holding pattern of right how do we mitigate this situation. He shows it back home. This is the beginning of him needing to butt up against the expectation of how he behaves. Everything up until that point in the movie is what's going on with this guy right as an audience but he's kind of like warping the world around him. The second he's back in his familial home there's a sense of like the fuck is up with you down to like how calmly he slaps John Turturro. That there isn't some ramp up big explosive I think you should leave type moment. He just in a very focused way is like nope not doing this. There was though a thing that maybe just stuck out a little bit to me like I don't know I've been kind of I've only seen it twice and I have kind of gone back and forth and it'll come up in all the conversations what we're doing about the emotional like the what's going on emotionally but there is something a little bit about him slapping John Turturro that feels maybe out of place in that moment. Well it's too much and Turturro reacts by just being like I can't help him right now you know I'm going to go rather than freak out but yeah I mean but he was just in a plane crash where like half the people died or more so like he can really do anything and no one's really going to call him out. That's the big thing. That's not why he's behaving that way but it's why everyone is walking around on tiptoes around him. It's the post-rawberry moment it's that here's this guy who had this allergy that unless killed him as a child and he just goes like fuck it I'm going to try eating a whole bowl and they taste delicious and he has no problems and there is a part of him that thinks maybe I am dead this is not real but even if it is real then no rules apply to me anymore and there's a sense of like testing the boundaries of just I'm going to do like no impulse control whatsoever here. If this guy's annoying me I'm going to slap him in the face and he needs to do something that extreme for everyone around him to go like what the fuck is going on here because everyone up until that point especially Turturro who's been sitting next to him is like it's actually alarming how calm he seems to be. Look I mean if we're doing the end of the movie like he basically looks into the other world or whatever and then after that he's calm he's like you know he's shed of human feeling. I feel like that makes the way that you just described that makes a little bit more sense when I was rewatching it last night there was a part of me that felt like that was the underneath of it bubbling up too early in the performance like the internal thing rather than like an external testing of boundaries it seemed to me more like it was revealing what was going on like that there was this thing underneath him he has this calm. Yes. But that it almost feels like that's a little bit too early to show a crack in it that was the way I read it last night. I think it's more like we've watched for 15 minutes this guy is in like accidental vacation mode right I'm going to rent a car I'm going to stick my head out the window I'm going to like park it on the side of the road and just sit with my sunglasses on he's going to rent a car drive 80 miles an hour with his eyes closed right he's going for it that's how I right and his college girlfriend someone he has this like history with but hasn't seen in decades right like none of this is real none of these are like real interactions that affect his daily life and I think he's like having a really quick adverse reaction to entering a space where everyone is expecting him to be the guy he was before and it's sort of like first idea best idea. Yeah. You know the way if someone's annoying you're like God I wish I could hit this guy in the fucking face and you knock that thought down immediately he's like well what I'm going to do is hit him in the face and Turro's response is yeah cool makes sense you need to be doing something weird now because you just almost died. But I don't think it's just that he he's doing what we all wanted to do which is give to Turro a slap and a kisser. I mean I thought about it I can't. It's that Turro is picking at something he can't think about and so he reacts you know he gets angry is don't you think like you know he's he has put it away he can't think about what happened when the boy comes to stay with him because he's like I just can't stop thinking about how good you were like you know how you helped me he doesn't want to confront what he did he doesn't want to talk about what he did right he's like I did nothing yeah again and again he's just like no no no whatever whatever whatever you know and when he meets Rosie Perez it's like he's like I feel like love for her like I'm connected with her in this element he can't describe why you know like he can't talk about the plane crash ever yeah he's the other person that he comes across who treats that as the first day of a new life. Sure for her she entered hell and he basically entered heaven right I mean this is a one of the most spiritual mainstream movies I have ever seen without being religious in any way. It is also like second rewatch I will say I was like obviously there are going to be a lot of like a lot of religious imagery or talk about angels or whatever but like the first thing and this is just me not knowing a lot about yeah the Bible but like the first thing he does walking out of the cornfield with a tiny baby and the first thing the first characters that you see are three like field workers kneeling down and crossing themselves I was like oh wait was this movie like much more directly religious than I remembered it from the first time right but I don't think I don't think so yeah like I don't I think it's more that like the people around him keep trying to put that on him and on the situation right and obviously like Rosie Perez's character comes from more religious background but both of them have like experience something that goes beyond that yeah that transcends the codex of being able to use this book to process experiences and that's what their connection is is like 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say about plane crashes well you don't fly planes are you or are you i haven't flown on a plane since covid now i've got the excuse that i have young children so like there's been no and i and all my extended family lives in new york right so i'm not compelled to travel afar to see family which is like any of my friends with kids when they're getting on a plane you're like jesus you gotta take a foot even you've taken yo yes pain in the ass i'm sure yeah like they're like yeah when i gotta see my and i'm like right you gotta fly to wherever i don't have to do that i haven't flown for work i don't like flying i have flown on many many many planes like this is not a like uh so you will get a paralyzing thing right but i've been avoiding it uh oh well it's gonna have to happen again sometime and that won't be fun for me because two things in the years leading up to the pandemic you started winding down your desire i shouldn't say desire your tolerance for covering anything that would require a flight that is not true i feel like in the early years of us being friends you flew more for work i flew twice in 2020 i flew to utah for sundance i flew to charleston to go on vacation i used to get i get i just don't like it i take drugs to calm myself down and i deal with it like but i don't like it i i've been to throw it as annie down the i'm a clonny guy okay your little clonny guy little clonny boy okay i got a little got a bunch of clonies okay and if anyone wants them come to my house well i don't think you can whoa i don't think you can do that the address is the main feed main feed i i like i have a prescription a medical prescription for anxiety on planes right but i don't think that legally gives you the right to be able to just hand them out or sell them one hundred dollars per pill okay my house okay we're launching a new tear yeah the clonny boy no ads free clonny um technically you're paying for the podcast the clonny is free it's like the dallas buyers club yes yes the are you but i know a lot about plane crashes because i'm an anxious flyer and i think a lot of anxious flyers do what i do which is sort of like well okay let me understand what went wrong with a plane to understand that it's very unlikely you research it you talk about that you watch successful plane landing sometimes to come haven't done that a while without us that was a tick talk was showing me those for a while you know this is you thinking out loud but there was some conversation we had like this off mic with a guess where they were interrogating you not interrogating but asking you about the plane thing right and how high your level of anxiety was and you did say out loud i don't know if i ever go on a plane again book planes why would i go on those things you did say it also i gotta say anytime a friend of mine takes a plane there's always some bullshit happening it feels like air travel sucks it doesn't help that air travel sucks it's delayed yeah but you know like it's hard to get placed like you know what i mean like it just sucks in every way now i love going to places i find almost everything about flying annoying you used to be a big flying fan i feel like you were like i genuinely like flying um well my thing is i have no problems with the being in the air and a giant mechanical bird part of it i find like the hell is other people part of it right i hard they're making it harder i think airports basically bring out the worst in people yeah i think airlines keep on making everything worse and more expensive i think post pandemic everyone's lost their fucking minds and it just becomes like an ultimate weird or around pressure cooker thing right but i i don't dislike the act of it once we're like in the air okay i actually kind of find it relaxing i have all my picadillos of like i need to be in the right jerking off i gotta drink off four five dick out yeah right yeah right uh i gotta drink seven bottles of wades infant doll got a piss in the aisle not do your french taxes yeah need to not memorize my lines and will you be filing your french taxes so they said no no no piss on the taxes i owe them nothing yeah um but uh dry deputy's also done worse things just be clear yes he's been accused of various things and we had talked about it on the green card episode briefly just to address that we are conscious and we we we know that jarred deputy was accused of bad things you are both very tall man i know you bring up yeah on top of your like flying anxiety that you're also like i don't like being in a small space i don't like this and that right like despite being a little guy i can get claustrophobic really quickly and i need like exit paths more for bathroom than like what if this crashes shit i'm with you on all that too i'm like very specific about like where my seat is and times of flight and routines and all that sort of shit but anytime i'm on a plane and there's like extreme turbulence for someone who like as a child was so all consuming in his obsession with death right anxiety of death every time that happens now i'm like if this plane goes down that is what it is yeah like i i have this absolute like i guess maybe this is how i die kind of i don't like turbulence but turbulence bothers me police because that's actually the least dangerous thing on a plane are you able to like are you able to engage with plane crashes in movies yeah but i mean this to me i said this on letterbox this is the final boss plane crash movie i have seen the plane crash in this movie like you know you know what i mean but like i do feel like until maybe flight griff do you have any other takes this was like like sully well but sully is about a successful air uh forcewater landing a successful forcewater landing it's not a crash it's not a crash nobody died in sully like yes it's intense and scary but like you know sully's obvious you know but like one time i took my flight obviously is also about i guess it's sort of mostly people walk away from that one right it's all fictional he did roll it he was gonna roll one time i took my kids to like a lego exhibition cool and there was a lego miracle on the Hudson it was like they had made the little Hudson and they made the plane all the people getting off on the wings i just wanted to throw that in great place but i feel like i mean i guess castaway but it's like that's it's the twosomek you know but that's like a i feel like when castaway when castaway came out people were like this is the best plane crash ever committed to film and then when flight came out they were like some mech says topped himself right what's fascinating about this one but to me is fearless was always the kind of like that's the most like sort of graphic realistic or whatever you know like a visceral plane crash scene in a movie obviously it's also an entire movie about a plane crash it's people wrestling with what happened on the plane crash is the awful thing of what happened to rosie's rosie peres's character like you know like like it's it's the plane crash movie yeah this is the fucking plane what is more what is most interesting about weir's approach to the plane crash to me besides aside from i think spacing it out is brilliant yes i agree and you're getting these little slivers he's holding off for so long and in those little slivers that are mostly about dramatizing the human reaction to this thing going wrong and getting worse which he does really really well those moments are very intense but cinematically he is just using like star trek original series tricks mostly until the final sequence he's truly just like kind of shaking the camera and shaking the set yeah and it's well and it's well acted and i'm rewatching it and i'm going like man david texted this is the ultimate plane crash movie he gets it right dramatically but it's not that visceral and i forgot how extreme the end sequences why the end is so transcendent like he's finally looking at it again he said realistic realistic in the sense that it hits so many different beats of what would happen it visualizes the different elements of what happens in a crash but it also does feel stylized it feels nightmarish while also feeling like transcendent and almost holy and and i i was remarking to myself last night that again to like the 1993 of like from the director of witness and dead poet society right the fact that they take the time to show not only the collection of sharp materials but also high heels the moment where she just opens the bathroom door and throws all the hot you know like i didn't know this was part of the process right until now i still don't but that feels like a really amazing dramatization of the fucking sort of absurdity of the terror of a moment like that he's doing her training yeah it's one of my favorite moments favorite things that can also what the what do what do i do with this baby and they're like i don't know i mean one of my favorite experiences i can have watching a fictional scripted film is to go that must be how it really happens yeah even if i'm watching they must have called somebody and checked yeah you don't make that up that was research that was experienced and like the the flight attendant character is based on a real woman who had given false advice based on older protocols of what you should do i won't get into the details of it but basically gave the wrong advice the child died and basically spent the next like two decades of her life fighting to change the laws and the protocols to be like this is like the unfortunate sacrifice in the cautionary tale we need to change this but basically the argument was the sample size is so small we don't know right this only happens every right very rarely i mean yes and the the variables are so extreme that you can't like simulate this and test the best way to handle right but the point of this movie obviously the point of what he does with rosy prez normal therapy stuff you know they're right everything they would do i would say is i think everything they do is completely norm recommend medically recommend we should also acknowledge rosy prez in a stellar performance very deserved oscar nomination coming off like an incredible four or five year run for her that basically ends with this it is i mean it's not like she's not a working actor but you're right it's a huge bummer that she did not like you know whatever i went to a higher level of start and i was like clearly it didn't sustain but what were the post oscar like bump nomination bump role she got and you're like no it kind of all the best stuff is before this right and i feel like every five or six years someone will clearly be like i'm gonna bring rosy prez back and she's always good always good and it never totally hits she should have won the oscar this year as much as i love anna packlin but she's like she to me and she was sort of like she won the critics awards like she was sort of the whatever you know the the favorite i think this movie is kind of i'd say this positively but like kind of woo and like yeah oh for sure uh is you know wasn't hugely successful it was critically like it got respectable reviews like but it didn't get i don't think like the kind of flat out raves you need and like so it's the shinler's list piano fugitive there's all these fucking great heavy hitters remembered so confidently that bridges did get nominated for this and i was like in what fucking universe does he not get nominated and then you're like oh the five nominees are liam nison for shinler's list uh anthony hopkins remains of the day keep going uh daniel day lewis and the name of the father incredible performance i know um the the sort of surprise you haven't named the winner yet was lorence fishburn for what's love got to do with it who hadn't gotten the precursors but deservedly got the oscar nom and then fucking tom hanks for philadelphia who is and you're like yeah you're right that is the one year where bridges wouldn't have made it in and we said the same thing and witness of like how did fucking ford not get nominated for fugitive and you're like that five the globes even nominated for the there is one thing that i will throw out there that this almost feels like a movie and a performance that is yes there's the woo woo parts of it but i could see people being like i don't know that i really want to and like obviously incredible import the performance that she gives but one that i could understand if people were like i don't really want to engage with this i don't want to engage with what this woman is having to deal with yes i don't want to think about it i don't want to think about a plane crash i also really don't want to think about the death of my baby yes i could see that being a factor working against it right you know what i mean well i kept thinking about flight while watching this which i which i will say yeah it's going back to main bar i have broadly always been a pretty good flyer when our when our kids were you got it you you know you got to travel for work you're a time i got to travel for work all the time i feel like i'm here you're a hit maker you know i and you know what sometimes hits they get they get produced in other states or other countries and you fly to your almost exclusively in blue past these days i fly to my gym you fly to your of course but um but that is like that's just a little two-seater just like a little fun they're like hit maker coming in pair of shootout the um there was a period of time and i'm much better about this now but right after my kids were born it became a thing where i was like all of a sudden terrified to fly in ways i cannot describe but was it just okay terrified to fly so it wasn't just like it is so difficult to fly with young children it was also like i'm existentially afraid for their i am existent i was honestly yeah i guess i've heard a lot of parents talk about this where i'm kind of okay with flying if we're all together i was terrified when i was leaving them yeah and the the sort of sharp focus that would get thrown into like this could be the last time i'm this could be the last time and i don't remember you talking about this on draft day yeah why you were even hesitant to like take quick trips to go back and visit them if you had a couple days off where you were like limit the they were there were like two or three am i wrong that was they would have been they just been born and you said i'm out of here i think is what i'm seeing yes that was i mean like look yeah that's like a paraphrase of sure but the doctor was like do you want to hold your baby and you were like i'm draft day draft day do you not know who kevin fucking costner is kevin fucking cost you were yelling that from your helic I was in the took off from the hospital there is like one of those like life flights that got delayed because i'm screaming at the nikkyou doctor being like kevin fucking costner is like batman and dart you get sucked up into the airplane sorry the purpose it's not like you were a late in life success but you had done a lot of theater you had like worked in cast your role i'm very sorry i mean again a paraphrase of what he just said but yes it was to the point yeah you're a little old green-eyed kids then you have children and then it's like suddenly you like you got it right it was like you got v and like things started rolling and you stayed blessed and booked and busy since then but i i draft day i feel like was only after you had done the second season of v it was after so the kids are probably right around two at that point but it was still very much in that thing of like i had to take xanax but i had this experience of like it was either i was terrified for the entire flight if i didn't take it yes or i would take it and then halfway through the flight you wake up in in like the xanax haze and it was like i woke up to new to know that we were flying through a city about to hit a building well it's right you know what i mean and i'm okay with it because i have to be in goosebumps like that kind of shit and and the intended was leaned down and said we'll be at riyadh soon and don't worry your car will take you right to the comedy right of course meeting you at the headlining and i and i would tell even the person on the plane i have no qualms about what i'm doing no you'd be like i'm scared of the flight not of the great people i'll be entertaining these people royal family deserve to hear a comedy and i'm a truth teller uh i just remember you talking about all this anxiety a lot because it was also the like you're leaving your wife at home with twins right yes there's that and there's the part of like you never know when it's gonna stop so if jobs are like lining up and especially if it's like starting for the first time you're like do i have to like ride this out yeah as long as i'm like holding a hot hand and then the other part of it was you're like i have twins i like this is going to cost me for the rest of my life yeah i got to take all these small parts but it means you're traveling all the time but you do feel like you've i'm like kind of way past it now my wife is a terrible flyer wow and so i my heart is with her i and so like we have talked about ways that we work through that and how i can be more supportive which i do think she doesn't listen to this podcast so she will not be here to rebut me that i do feel you don't listen to her yes she doesn't listen to this podcast yes i i have tried to become better at how i can support her but i do feel like i never think about taking xanax anymore and frankly like i kind of enjoy it now and even when i have to like fly it like recently i flew back from somewhere like in the 23rd row in the middle seat i was like you know what i had a great time and i watched so horses and this is fun man of the people here you know what i mean he's got a sag nom but it don't matter right he's flying in row 23 all row 23 middle seat put my little ipad in the holder with my big old legs and uh but i will say i have never seen the movie plane because that came out in that period of time the um plane is that the sorry no flight yeah i was playing as the dry bottler plane is that they crash or they just kind of land in like action island or whatever right yeah uh but i never saw a flight yeah flight is scary right flight came out in that period of time where i was like oh i am not going to be engaging with this movie my whole thing with flight other like plane crash classics right like the lost pilot but like you know movies like cast away flight i'm trying to take a flight of the navigate but i'm like things you're saying things that like show a plane yeah like in like visceral detail of some sort you know like oh final destination i suppose that that one doesn't turn out so well die hard too yeah that stuff it's so absurd right like it's like and it's like anything where it's like a terrorist blows up a plane or something level stuff you're like well i think i'm okay like you know yeah it's the one the freaky ones are the ones that are depicting somewhat realistically like a realish plane accident united 93 i thought i would say kind of a historically bad plane incident that's it that is a i will speak truth of power and say that movie is a little stressful it's a little stressful it's a little there was a movie that i was watching recently that had a recently this was probably 10 years ago i watched on a plane had a very famous plane plane explosion in the in the beginning of it and i was watching it on a plane they edited out the explosion oh yeah planes will oh yeah oh movie on plane will get rid of it they will just do or not have the movie air at all you know we're forgetting and this is such a grounded realistic take on the the plane crash a conner conner yeah and that is and i do i don't find much but i will fly con air regular also i am a miles member of con i love a cage exactly they should have a cage more often as an option i have to correct you ben that wasn't a crash that was a forced vegas strip i mean in syris the virus i do think has been a pretty good secretary state for donald trump i don't know what you guys think we we good guy we talked about flight several years ago that is a movie where every time i watch it and i try to circle back to another movie about reckoning with aftermath this is my thing is that flight for me the first half is unbelievable yeah and every time i watch it i expect it to go down more smoothly but i bump against how kind of pat it feels in the whole movie getting simplified to you got to get sober and find christ it's not an incredibly well right right despite its screenplay right right words i'm like this movie is spiritual because it's in conversation with the intangible whereas flight is like you gotta just buy into these two pre-established systems there's there's one sort of supernatural thing that happens in this movie which is he can eat the strawberries right that's the one thing where you're like okay we're going a little beyond science here yeah i guess maybe his body his nervous system isn't such a bizarre i was gonna say my read especially right but i don't know how allergies work i was just like i when i watch it i'm like it must be something with his adrenaline we don't we don't mind watching it no right everything else in the movie i mean sure he behaves badly he walks into traffic he drives too fast like things like that but you're like it's not unbreakable where it's like he genuinely cannot be magical no exactly but he that's why bridges is so good because right he just seems a little out of step with real life yes he just feels a little touched or a little angelic or a little whatever you want to call it like that this movie is like there aren't answers for this there's nothing that can speak to what he's feeling or what she's feeling you know when i hear about people who have tragedies like what befolds the rosy pres character here i go like i literally don't know how you wake up the next month yeah no no i do i don't understand how you could possibly ever move on from and to turro has a line where he says because isabel aras Ali who's great we love is about yeah remind me to talk about her one minute okay before i'll finish this up you know she says like why are you doing this why are you putting them together to turn to turro's like if rosy prez is not reached like she will you know basically need help for the rest of her life he's like she'll be in institutional yes i mean like she won't be right cases she cannot be pulled out of it and he's acting like nothing happened right and and the two most severe reactions they're basically at opposite ends of like the ptsd spectrum which is like almost kind of complete disassociation from reality and like an inability to pull yourself out oh and one thing that i didn't really pick up on the first time which i feel like stuck out the second once he mentioned something early on about people that are dealing with ptsd sometimes almost chase the feeling of indestructibility he says about vietnam vets yes and there was a they feel indestructible in some way because they didn't die they didn't die but then if they start to lose it they start chasing it and there was a moment where he agrees to lie he's like so you want me to lie right to the lawyers you want me to say you know the more minutes we spent in this you want me to lie and when he agrees to do it he runs out yeah and goes up to the roof right and that one i feel like i noticed more of that the moments where he could feel himself slipping away from it he then ran it was like when real world is starting like it's tom holst is talking to him i think that's the slap moment i can't fucking guess that's it's the slap moment yep getting him back you know through the barrier through the liminal barrier right and the holst moment is holst starts saying like and look if you could focus on this and the narrative and he just screams abruptly holst is like what's going on and he's like no more lying yeah i'm not lying i refuse to play by these rules do you want to talk about isabella rossellini oh i do so she comes on screen i'm talking to my wife about her she looks quite good in this film her jeff ridges are she's a beautiful vision white as ever couple uh and i will say a weird caster because he was like i want his wife to be like from another country like i don't know i can tell you about that later but i was like isabella rossellini kind of in the shon connery zone always sounds like that it's never a problem correct you know what i mean like i don't want to see isabella rossellini talking different i want to be heard talking rossellini style right yeah because she's got the most beautiful diction the like this wonderful accent it's always like melodic and interesting to hear her read dialogue it helps she always is doing that she's a ballet teacher and it would be okay if she was a lunch lady but i mean hey man i'd be like wow interesting lunch lady ben and i were watching a friend of the show a past and future recent guest ben david grubinski uh showed us end of days which we had never seen before oh good movie and i couldn't stop making jokes about this movie that's like built on the premise of like what if a just a new york cop had to come face to face with satan and that new york cop is of course played by arnold forzenegger i walk my beat in the coffee and a trench coffee like this is my block i'm lieutenant cop right and the movie just acts like i remember these streets from when i grew up i mean and this is partner is kevin pollock and the movie keeps acting like both of them look like that in a way late 90s short snigger i feel like is where this had gotten out of hand like yes but yes absolutely and i was like beyond the fact that he just looks like that right the bone structure and like the shape he was in and everything it's not just that he's austrian and i can't accept that someone could immigrate from one country to another and hold down an american job i'm like he just doesn't even sound like a human being other austrian people don't sound like him right nobody like him isabella rossolini has this built-in thing where anytime she enters a movie you're like cool this character's backstory is she has lived in five different countries yeah and there's never a movie where it butts up against that where you couldn't believe like yeah she had an interesting childhood like 100 percent i mean she's the thing i'm i start just going on it by like looking at bergman robert robert rocellini they had a famous affair she's like this product of this like notorious affair and it was so scandalous she always plays a cultured woman who has experienced things i i was just talking about this last night with a friend that i bumped into yes about the bone collector that of course when angeline and joe lee has to say i moved to new york to be a model but i found that unfulfilling so now i am a police officer someone had to insert that line when she was cast yes and right they should have given that movie a special oscar for putting in that one line because that's the one thing those movies never do when you cast the most beautiful people in the world especially with actresses where you're like has anyone ever like come up to you and said maybe gap catalog the ken i one thing that was interesting about having never seen this movie before and and then watching it a second time was the first time through i kept struggling to figure out if i was supposed to be cheering for this new jeff jeff bridges i think what he's doing is very seductive yes because you're like yes you know obviously a character like tom hulse's character you're like well fuck this bloodsucking lawyer guy right and even what you know everyone like you know you're like yeah he's above it all but then you are like no he this is a man who's so traumatized he's behaving in this way and he needs to engage with what's happening you see the way that he's trying to help rosy prez and you're like okay what are we what are we going for like i feel conflict because he is clearly not doing a great job with his own family can i throw out a headier take yeah and this is part of the power bridges in this movie is the top tier movie stars in most eros but i think particularly in the 90s in hollywood kind of represent the id that even when they're playing kind of every men in some sense you want you're they're doing what you could only dream exactly yeah behaving in a way that's alluring it's not just they look better than you and they're more charismatic than you but part of it is like you want to watch them get away with it you want to watch them be awesome you want to watch them take control and say the things you can't say and even if they have to learn a lesson at the end you know that was part of the juice and jeff bridges is a guy who never feels like he's representing a fantasy version of a person yeah even when he's in extreme circumstances and especially in this like 90s earthy era where if it was mel Gibson there there would be 30 minutes of this movie that felt like yes man right there would be even if mel was good you know right same with bruce where there'd be a little bit of like ania stinker isn't this awesome i can drive the car this fast and like kiss rosy prez and do whatever i want you know to that point bridges is too grounded where the whole time you're like what's happening here feels extreme but it doesn't feel like wish fulfillment yes and it doesn't feel fun i thought about right when he last night when he was walking across the street and he's like you're trying to kill me but you can't and there is that part of me where it's like it's not like he like walked through the traffic magically and it never slowed and no time that's crucial one of the cars has to work well it has to serve and jam on its brakes and it's like no god didn't let you survive somebody hit their brakes yes like you it was not magic the rest of the world helped out in this what what he is really representing is what if you choose not to buy into the rules of society right not what if nothing could kill you what if you casually mentioned to your wife isabella rosalini that you have never experienced a love like the one that you feel for this other woman which i mean again rosalini's gotta leave give him a lot of rope he was in a plane crash yes he's got plane crash he's all passed right but you know he's obsessed with holes you know like five six cchoronimous bosh painting that they're you know a scent of the blast you know like this idea of like the light at the end of the time yeah right i'm just saying there is this guy's printing out all the holes he can find in history if only fans had existed he would have never pulled back up for well well that's that's a bit of an off color joke i'll say it blew ribald on this podcast from time to time that's a little shocking work a little blue if i want to i do think that if like six years went by isabella would be like he's still fucking dying and out on this plane crash should we have fearless too where he's back to being normal and she's like he brings it up a lot he got down to god you just fucking i have a life too i fucking ballet school i had i had a bad day today right you had a bad day six years ago those girls is being mean to me and she said whatever it's such a good moment when the representative from the airline finds him right and says like we know that you were already kind of like touchy about flying before the the thing happened she doesn't even want to say crash she's talked to rosalini and his family before he has and that's the first tell of like the guy before this was actually deeply neurotic and you see it in bridges in the flat in the full flashback right yeah before he looks out the window and basically obviously just has this like i this is it this yeah this is and now i have crossed the barrier but like before then yeah he's anxious yeah and it's more that feeling of i think the surrendering of control of being i can't do any of this i don't think he orders a bowl of strawberries because he thinks he's now invincible i think he orders a bowl of strawberries because he's like i almost just died so what's the difference if i order a bowl of strawberries now and this kills me yeah and if not this it could be crossing the street right he doesn't walk across the street because he thinks it's impossible for a car to hit him it's that he keeps kind of like testing the limits of all of this is so random in a um synopsis of the novel i found this term that's really interesting it's um described as the character is experiencing an extreme form of pink cloud syndrome go on and a pink cloud syndrome is a thing that you find uh when describing people who are getting sober um early on they have this feeling of elation oh yeah just extreme high that doesn't like last forever but it's that initial period of like it's not just like i'm doing this it's like it's this incredible like just heightened experience of feeling such positivity but of course life sits in the reality after a period of time in architect yeah you gotta go back to fucking rossolini it's only a thing David yep i love wearing hats oh i'm a hatsman you are what do you if i said it was a hat man i would agree that's certainly and much like daniel plain view i love starting businesses yeah but i'll tell you the one part of the starting a business i don't like having to wear so many hats all at once i'm a one hat at a time guy okay well i guess you can only have one hat at a time and uh you know you're just gonna be intimidated and lonely that's the concern but here's an option uh-huh what if Shopify could 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second there's some problem in your body that we can't identify something and the can keeps getting kicked and i keep going back for tests and they're just like we don't know we don't know and i'm stuck in a medical hamster wheel and i feel like i haven't been a person for like 18 months right when this thing finally got resolved and it got the bad shit out of my body in like july 2021 i had this feeling where it was like okay like the couple of days after the surgery my recovery you know there was wonkiness i of course checked out of the hospital immediately went to a screening of f9 it was captured on our patreon yeah and if you're wondering uh when did he arrive for said screening they like to complain about me being late to the screening i was waiting to be checked out of the hospital now we're actually just complaining about how you're late all the time it's just a very funny example of you being late but i have i had it was my first like thing i did after my kid was born i feel like as well it was a very early right crazy early every society beginning to flower whatever yes but i had this thing were like when the basic recovery had happened let's say a week after the surgery i was just like oh my god i'm taking nothing for granted ever again i am so happy to be alive able to walk out on the street but then you saw that movie yes man and you're like oh this covers it what if i start saying no to shit um no that but even beyond that and i felt a little bit this with my f**king dental problems i've had recently where it's like this this thing is weighing down on you surgery happens skies cleared up i wake up one day i'm like holy s**t i slept properly my executive function is in line i'm like organized i'm not feeling like stressed out by all this there's just like a clarity to like holy s**t i can just do stuff like the burden is gone and every time i fall for the s**t the pen cloud syndrome of like oh this might truly be the first day of the rest of my life what if like all the f**king bits about griffin f**king s**t up ended yesterday uh-huh and now i'm just like the best at being normal uh-huh and then like 10 days later i'm like oh wait a second because i heard you say organized so i imagine maybe day three all of a sudden your apartment appears to be like similar to the way your desk looks a little bit now we should share the listeners too just before we start recording griffin immediately it's still coffee everything's going well griffin want to build that coffee i have two more dentist appointments this week i have a bone spur in my jaw they need to you spill what looks like what green grained water you have a bone spur in your jaw yeah yet another thing me and our president having common his feet two great new yorkers with bone spurs the f**k you're gonna take something else out of your mouth yeah and then i'll have five days of feeling like jeff bridges and figure well good for you and then i'll go back to the f**king drop in coffee like rick the intern it is i do feel like a pretty uh not in the trailer by the way i just went on i can't go like that go and said it was not it was in the sorry in the trailer was on the final set of the film it's false advertising and wasn't on the blu-ray in the deleted sand and and kevin costner heard that and got so mad that he started deep sea diving looking for treasure well because rick spilled the coffee all the way to the bottom exactly i needed that coffee yeah that is a very human response to these things of like oh my god i went through like the moments like i remember getting like std tests in college right and that five days or whatever were you after anything in college well i just like you know whatever a normal being responsible a responsible person used to call him hitmaker for a different reason i'm sorry it's good to get std test because he went across the room i had to get not here to make fun of that i'm sorry but like you know i think you know i grew up in a time in which sex killed you right there was always like this little extra weight to those coming back yeah right and in that period of time you were like all right i'm never making another mistake in my life and then you get it like i'm fucking good i told are you go see the doctor and the doctor's like hey you gotta stop doing you're like you're right i will and then like a week later you're like doctor what yes doctor who well i'm also doctor actually his name is the doctor doctor who's just what they call the show because people ask doctor who is uh i'm such a manic person in general what that when i have these moments like post surgery it is the only time in my life where i feel level that's the thing it's not like i'm like holy shit i'm unstoppable it is a little similar to the jeff bridge's thing where i'm like oh my god i just feel like i can walk you know like my thoughts are like in order given that we've hit two hours can i give you a couple more things from the dossier i would love it yeah okay i just i think we need to talk more about rosie perhaps we she's great in the film um just the mel Gibson thing i said of he was the first choice and mel was like look i'm about to direct the man without a face and then mel is said apparently like who who's your second choice like who else are you thinking of and we're says jeff bridges and mel was like fuck i wanted to cast him in midday man without a face oh wow which rocks which is kind of cool mel wasn't going to play the lead himself no he was like no i fucking want jeff bridges now i mean like maybe mel was like actually what if i had no face like i don't know but um never seen that movie me neither yeah i hear it's pretty good um what's it about well it's a man with some facial he's actually he's got like tutors a boy in english yeah it's like a sort of heartwarming uh uh movie about it right a sort of reclusive man he's like a phantom of the opera right uh english teacher oh i think you take english tutor where he's like don't look at me i'm hideous and they're like you're your mel gibson and you just got some shit on one side of your face he's got scarring but he's like pushed away from society i think basically has become a hermit i feel like both based in and shot in main uh which is where i'm from here he comes the fucking mr main the main event the main event's a good name that's a really good name yeah film set and shot in main uh so the casting bridges just to say the film got um uh sort of the budget got right sized you know a little bit cost about 20 million dollars uh which is uh you know regular budget at the time of the notion of like how these things used to be greenlit it's like this is a go picture it's 40 if you can get one of these 10 guys it goes up to 60 right if you go for someone you like who's less of a name it goes down to 20 yeah bridges called gary bucey one of his close friends who had been in a serious motorcycle accident and survived came out normal give me a bowl of strawberries uh bucey said that he described the feeling the sort of pink cloud feeling that Ben is referring to is feeling like an angel in an earth suit um and uh you know uh the thing with bridges was just like he wanted to do it he was really into it uh but he had just made the vanishing he made a lot of movies like back to back to back and he was like i'm worried i'm going to be like burnt out and we were just like you know take a break get yourself right we're going to make the movie um the book the book is set in new york but peter weir had just done green card and it was like i don't want to do new york i want to do somewhere else so they moved me to san francisco the rosie peres character is italian in the book like italian american and peter weir was like well if we're going to san francisco she should be latina yeah uh and so that's how that happened she was the first choice uh for the role essentially studio wanted oh tell me when onerider this yes story she has told to jeff bridge's character that they wanted her because she was big this is the same year as age of innocence yeah it is it was obviously before they had made that cultural swap right and they wanted her to audition with him and do the kissing scene and he was like i'm not going to kiss her he's like i'm way too old for this right in front of like the studio and everything and she was just like that's the only guy in hollywood who would have done that right wow yeah also good call like not just from like a creepiness factor wrong for the it's it's wrong for the movie the moment isn't really like how it isn't about their chemistry it's about something weirder past beyond that so good it's not a really right their relationship is not romantic per se it's more just like they are there's just like an embarrassing closeness or whatever like they're the only two people who can understand each other in a weird way i also love that the narrative reveals itself to be that for this guy who's like i'm not a hero i don't like to be looked at this way i'm uncomfortable with all this attention locks in on like actually i might be the only person who can help her right that it starts as just like you're the only person i feel like i can actually be heard by and then becomes like wait a second there's a thing i can do here that no one else can help you with and also it doesn't even seem like he really knows what that is and he would have never been able to figure out what it was unless he had been sort of untethered from the regular human life that because nobody's like john deterro in group therapy isn't going to suggest what if you drove your very safe Swedish car head on into a wall have you ever tried a car crash therapy have you ever tried that it's a way it's coming up like she needs to spin around it's david kronenberg you ever fucked the scars of something as an uh car accident scars can be uh fun to fuck i think just to speak on rosie prez for a second one thing that i did not notice the first time was how she kissed the toolbox holding it in her arms yeah she full she is incredible in this movie and that scene i think i not went unnoticed the first time but it i don't think i really realized how fucking good she is in that scene and embodying that fucking toolbox turning into bubble you know what i mean so she's she's of course a fly girl choreographer on a living color right her first movie is do the right thing yes then it's night on earth white men can't jump she's great in both untamed heart which i've never seen neither by and fearless yeah fearless is her fifth movie my god yeah she's yeah and she basically was this person where it was like well she's got a really interesting vibe but is she really like a technical actress or is she just good at playing herself kind of thing right and then this felt like a movie where people were like we cannot deny there is like a level of emotional access and technique here uh it's not just oh she's got an interesting dialect yeah kind of thing and then the run after this is like it could happen to you she's like the third lead of that the best friend character right yep somebody to love is the alexandra rock one we've never seen it that's a nice cabiria right she's like a taxi dancer i think that movie's probably like you know somewhat interesting sure that's it was tiny she does a lot of indie stuff i mean i think derangos like her one kind of like lead follow-up thing there yeah um which uh it's like obviously like hollywood is racist yes yeah especially in the 90s i feel like hollywood had not calibrated how to tell like latin stories on screen watch at all right there's some movies but there's very few and to her credit a lot of these indie movies were saying that she does in the wake of the nomination are very low budget independent latin stories told by latin people that did not get support and attention rosie rosie peres is also like she's like five foot even yeah uh she's got this amazing accent like but she is rosie peres like you know like you know and it's like i feel like probably every casting person looked through it was like yeah it's rosie peres right you bring you're like you're right you bring her in as a spark plug or whatever it's insane that no one watched this movie and not nobody she did movies after this yeah that she's good in but right nobody watched fearless and was like fuck like i gotta use her right now for a period quilt of roll like you know like absolutely and i i'm sure if you saw the list of things she was offered in the wake of fearless it would be like revolting right yeah i assume it was a lot of like do you want to play right someone in like a wezzly snipes movie or what you know it's like probably a lot like fifth or sixth leads and i'm sure there are very big paydays she turned down and things where she was like i don't want to fucking do that again you know like worse versions of the white man can't jump character and dumber big budget things whatever and it does feel like she tried to use her cloud to get smaller films made that didn't really uh hit uh when she locked the gates her episode wtf is incredible not not surprised to hear that it's like very emotional and she talks about how traumatic her childhood was and she basically didn't process any of it she had a crazy childhood and you should listen to the mtf to talk yeah like you know right um and that it was fearless was one of the things where everyone was just like are you okay during the scenes like when they called cut and she was like yeah why and they were like that seemed like something really extreme was happening within you and she was like oh really i don't know you know that she like started only kind of after this movie doing the work to be like why are my emotions like this she was jeff bridges ing throughout the entire production of fearless i mean kind of that's the way she sort of talks about it was she was just sort of like uh i i just accepted everything that happened to me my entire life as normal uh until other people maybe realize it was uh very complicated family situation she's incredible actor she's still around i feel like it's like she's also like just kind of a new york celebrity i mean i mean she's in uh she's in highest to lowest as herself rosy perez um like it's just like she's like a forever personality like she was on the view for a while you know what i mean like where it's like she will always be rosy perez but it does feel like a major miss opportunity that she did not have a crazy career or even like whatever just yeah like more blockbusters more kind of like mainstream shit maybe she turns all of it down i don't know like i yeah i'm sure she did but it's also i like it's like it's not a feta complete where you're just like why aren't the like the ten harness directors in hollywood writing shit for her right now she's one of those people i feel like you talked about when you interviewed ryan johnson for glass onion sure and asked him about uh deba tista right and he said like one of these days like paul thomas anderson or someone is going to write a part that gets him an oscar and they're going to look like a genius and i use that term a lot in my head now where i'm like actors who are kind of just right there and someone just needs to write like the frank tj macky for them and it's not like oh my god i didn't know they could do that it's like you build the right frame for them and you look like a genius for having them do the thing they always were capable of yeah and she's one of those where you're like she's right there there's no one else like her and i think she still got her fastball um but he's out of toro we have not even mentioned oh my god i mean it's led early run of his because young mumbly even this is a pretty usual suspects it's post obviously like licensed to kill and stuff like but yeah where i think he was still just like this young guy with a really interesting face yeah that people kept being like okay like what do we do with this guy because he's so beautiful yes he's always been tired he always tired always tired his whole life you look like heli rippa he he he looks i got a few pounds on cali ripa it's just pretty tiny i just mentioned in terms of time i know what you're saying i know what you're saying it was a good line thank you it was a good line he is his voice is interesting he looks interesting and emotionally he is compelling even just standing there i think the thing with him all the way to traffic like you know especially things like usual suspects is he is like a philip glas scorned away where you're just like he's almost too interesting i kind of can't stop looking at this guy i'm not paying attention to this story now how much of you you could put in a movie because he's pretty subdued but like sometimes he would just be like this kind of like wild interesting you know energy like and just like fuck it's benicio he has had pretty good year it's been pretty incredible yeah we're talking about the guy is 2025 i remind you oh my god but it's not like benicio ever left our hearts we've always been here for benicio but like a kind of transcendent 2025 for him um he i'm trying to remember who it is but someone who went to drama school with him uh julie also became of course but of course uh who also became a successful actor tells the story of seeing him like do a scene on the first day and being like jesus fucking christ what am i supposed to do now yeah truly just being like immediately this guy's the most interesting performer i've ever seen and not just that he had an intelligence and a skill and a facility and whatever but you're just like i i cannot look away from this guy yeah and it did feel like in the 90s he was almost like plutonium or something right where they were like you got a really like kind of quarantine him and put him in a specific box and knock him out of the plot at a certain point and he also does a lot of like very big stylized performances this is like an early kind of him playing a normal guy kind of thing and especially when so much of his work is kind of so heavy and haunted uh it feels like in a lesser version of this film one that probably isn't directed by peter weir this guy is a lot this character is like a dirt bag is a dirt bag is like unsupportive looking for the paycheck right 100 percent and there are just these little brush strokes and how the character is written and how he plays it where it's like he's got his eye on the payout because this is amount of money that would change their fucking lives and they're living through a horrible horrible incident yeah and they do deserve some sense of compensation for this and he doesn't want to get screwed they're the types of people who often don't have the proper representation in these types of situations and he's trying to figure out how to support her emotionally but he is so out of his depth on it uh and i just the key plays that incredibly well absolutely he's very good in the movie everyone is good in this movie everyone's good john delancey my beloved john delancey uh the look on his face when bridge just leaves the seat uh really gets me every time the scene where he goes weird that he didn't use his cue powers to save the plane or whatever the scene where he goes to dirger o'connor that's mostly kind of an extended character not the conspiracy theory tim believes in yeah of course he's movie cube held those well the cue takes are completely different than the my cue movie takes are completely different than the maga movie takes yeah right that's a different mode to go that's a different mode yeah what were you gonna say griff sorry the movie maga night was the same night david because we all we got to enter an ally right i wasn't there but you were on the group text leading up to it sure where tim was freaking out claiming like i'm late guys save me a seat yeah excuse me oh we were all in the same car and were you late in the car to get to the car not too bad not too bad sure sure sure tim that was the day of tim's freak out of is this a scyop you guys can't tell me that lily collins has been famous for 15 years oh yeah you were really insist on i was like Collins was an industry plant but that he was calling bullshit on us knowing who she was right i was it started with all capitals lily philips is got her name wrong wait fuck lily intentionally lily Collins is Collins Collins is daughter like all caps all caps and teraband and everybody was like yes she has been famous forever and i said this is a lie yeah you were like that is not true and we were sending you movie posters from 2010 where she's above the title and you were saying these are fake movies in a fake movie here i can actually uh here we go lily Collins is phil Collins's daughter i reply yes any other cues not q pill griffin replies jane fondez henry fondez daughter pretty good joke from that's pretty good griffin coming in hot and uh i kind of started hitting you with like she does kind of look like phil Collins her father i mean like it's like they have the same face this is also not a thing that's kept under lock and key and we're like she's been famous for 15 years this has always been a talking point but i mean the thing that i found funny is is that like i actually like lily Collins i think she's got eyebrows for days she's been in some movies i enjoy but the thing she's most famous for is a hit netflix show my friend she's in paris she was the previous hit maker under the big red egg exactly her house is in paris we're also like we're sidebarring going like why is he getting worked up about this now come from right spurred this nothing was happening in the news to bring this on she hadn't gotten like a killing spree my wife was listening to a lot of phil Collins at that moment uh-huh and in one of the songs you say and my daughter was lily in rules don't apply we're throwing out mank and mirror mirror where she was in fucking warren baity's probably last movie ever and you're like none of this is real you guys are lying you guys are lying it just feels like if she has been famous for this long i would have come up yeah it would have come up that she's famous yes okay like someone would have just approached you in your jam maybe we're yeah i heard at lily Collins and i i go to my girlfriend i go i just gotta give you the heads up tim's coming in the hot right give tim is full of beans about lily Collins when i speak of you often but she's never met you before and she's like oh no did something happen and i was like no i'm just well in 1999 she was born to phil Collins and jill tabelman i'm just saying tim's tim's gonna be on one tonight and then we get there and within five minutes he's unleashing movie maga well you know what you know what also came up david what's up malibu's most wanted yeah malibu's most wanted this is this is the fakest uh like to my core i still think about it i don't like that movie it's fine i don't have a vibe that i do you like other bad movies okay fair enough ben is broken out ben's face is bright i also don't think that movie is that bad i remember it being kind of a two-star general interesting so baby you're the ben hosley of the group i'm eating much i've only isn't it fine i i mean i've even seen it every accusation is a confession i didn't realize this is something i took away wait a second david sims went to the julia school of film what is it fucking assholes gave me a b plus have you seen malibu's most wanted griffin no no i haven't either griffin you cannot be scared a lot you you do tend to see studio comedies that were released i only see masterpieces i could honestly see three weeks from now griffin coming in and guys him being like you know what malibu's most wanted kind of a masterpiece kind of two and a half three star and i'm kind of insane and that says i don't know that i've seen it three discs i've seen a jayme kennedy film did he have others uh kick in at old school that i might have seen i've definitely seen one of them okay what's going on into kicking at old school kicking at old school he's a b-boy who god has a break dancing incident in which he falls into a coma i think trying to do a head spin okay and then he wakes up 20 years later and still thinks it's the 80s and comedy and hey i mean sure i suppose it's similar to has a plane crash and it's no longer allergic to straw kind of the fearless of the 2000s yeah he's not in the bench warmers that's watson and yes other okay but swanson co-wrote malibu's most wanted okay okay i've definitely seen the bench warmers yeah that love it's is in that bench warmers is it's like it's passable it's happy madison b team it's schneider spade love it's and then they try to work john heater peter in at the time where hollywood couldn't figure out is this a thing and they and then they figured something out no he's not because he's in blades of glory yeah and i remember that was one of those things where everyone was like you know what's great about this movie will our net and maybe polar and not john heater like nobody cared about john heater the entire run of post napoleon dynamite movies all flop yeah just like heaven he's in that one and blades of glory was the last one in the can and was a big ass hit because of feral and right and even still i was like so are they gonna have to back around and give him another shot and they were like no no no no no we feel settled in this he's never starring in a studio movie did he like took those like tickets to the front desk or whatever and they were like these are no longer legal tender like yeah you're back down to zero i just remember to just like heaven trailer he's like the funny friend or whatever it is a breeze weather spoon mark ruffalo and napoleon dynamite john heater and he has some line where he's like feeling a little perched i'm gonna need a cola like he had some weird line like that but that moment of like every time cricket that was i think the first one post napoleon dynamite and they were like we have to no one knows his name and they're not going to recognize him we have to in the trailer announce that he's napoleon dynamite right right yeah because they he won't be dressed like him right he won't be voting for pay bro before we do the box office game anything else we want to talk about in the fearless one thing that i want to be funny if we hadn't like mentioned the plane crash yet or something yeah one thing that i really loved about this movie was that when i was watching it i couldn't really get my head around it and some of the pieces don't feel like they fit again this is like a jeff bridges holy fucking shit moment when he is brought back to life right to the end of the movie of course he eats the strawberries again and says like i i think i need you to save me or something like and then he's has the allergic reaction isabella rustling resuscitates him and you get the feeling that he is back to normal and they roll credits right there yeah but it's like he he is engaged with his human body again in fear of losing it that moment is so incredibly brilliant on a performance level but also in this way that it was and i and i just want to like this is i think like a peter weir thing it was like it was like there were just puzzle pieces spread out over the table yeah and in that moment he just shoved them all together and they all locked into place like it was like i kind of didn't really get the movie that moment happens and now everything has been perfectly clear and i loved that part about it how like it kept me guessing and then all of a sudden he just fucking locked it in so hard and then was like here are the fucking credits it is a really brilliant incredible and uh that's very well said and for a movie that's not about like plot mechanics and doesn't have big story pushes is another experience high level watching a film we were like how the fuck is this thing going to resolve itself yeah and to resolve itself quickly at a point where very yeah it feels like there could be 20 more minutes and then they're like no it's over and you like that's perfect and in fact it's the only way it could have ended and i can't believe how exquisitely you built up to this moment without letting me see what you were doing yes it's not a twist it's not like it's some crazy overstated moment but it's just like that is how it ends did you buy the blue i did so did i warn our archive i have never my desk i need to got in the pile um uh alan davio shot this film who of course the first american cinematographer that we had worked with he mostly kept his like uh above the line of russel broide and john john seal and guys like that uh but coming off the fucking et uh what he did et empire uh he might have also done last crusade he obviously he worked with spoober glottin the eighties yeah slowcombe does all the indies but there was another um color purple um sure it's those are the three and will disregard twilight's own the movie but this film looks incredible and this is a movie that needs to just look good because it's so much about like absorbing textures of things and and the space and the feeling in the air and yeah there is one particular shot that i want to call out which i feel like is uh i don't want to say it's a lost art but it feels like peter weir in this sort of like studio system gets this script and you know i didn't know about the history of it but i was like i didn't know exactly its developmental process but uh or its development process but when he first sees rosie pares the entire frame is filled with the shadow of of jeff bridge is standing in the doorway and it is slightly overtaking her and i love that moment of like visual storytelling of her being consumed by shadow like it basically is like a black stain that takes up and almost engulfs her in the frame and it's a really incredible shot and i just love that level of artistry in what is essentially studio fare yeah you know what i mean right and what is a i mean i guess this crazy it has a crazy plane crash sequence so it's not just like a domestic drama like it is a heightened crazy but like you know it's largely about people dealing with their feelings yeah i'm trying to find this quote what did you want to say that before i forget um the plane wouldn't have crashed if you were on it no i'm not gonna claim that um if this were you you would have eaten raspberries uh the car crash scene yeah there's a youtube drone oh thank you for bringing this up there is a yes a wonderful youtube oh there's also wonderful music occurring the plane crash at the end i i had to i have to give it up i think that it was really effective and what i liked about it is that it's totally unhinged and i think using u2 in an unhinged context it really like opened it that band up and that's that music for me in a new way this is also are you anti-u2 yeah you know what man i'm gonna throw a little maga music take i'm with you here we go hell this would be a maga movie take this is the kind of thing we're talking about like yeah it's fucking youtube get out of here gives this shit yeah it's where those big glasses oh so yeah yeah yeah yeah i love youtube very much i love their music i love that song it's where the streets have no name i believe um which makes it uses a non-vocal part most of the music in this film there's a marie strays score that's very good but it's a lot of classical pieces yeah the big classical piece is the uh henrik garecki uh symphony three uh symphony of sorrow whole songs which is playing over the plane crash montage which is incredible it's pretty good i mean maybe you could have thrown in like you know like maybe just like an apple ad during the plane crash i'm not cringing when the song starts everyone gets an album but the movie has been in my phone such a specific register musically and then streets have no name which is so recognizable hits and it's one of those songs that has been so omnipresent for 30 plus years now that obviously when this film is made it's more of a recent song jesus christ um you're just like well whatever the intended use of this song was in 1993 is it abstracted now to a point where you can't listen to it and not think of car commercials or football games or whatever the fuck it's one of these songs that's everywhere right and i kept watching it being like is the use gonna get cringy at any point and it just it is it is a transcendent use of music it is like it's really well done yeah yeah it's just like a perfect kind of no you couldn't actually write an original piece of score for this that would work as well as both the way the music sinks up and like the power you gain from the recognition of what's playing and it clearly just feels like the kind of thing that only comes out of listening to the album and being like oh you know what you could construct a good sequence too listening to that part of the song and visualizing something building um this film came out october 15th 1993 in when i ask a question about the box office game you sure can do you prefer or not and maybe this is to griffin griffin i'm gonna direct this to you do you prefer or not when the guests try to also guess with you i'm i'm opening the way okay i don't think griffin really minds a guest jumping in i'm not competitive especially when i'm struggling i i i love to be relieved of my measuring okay number one of the box office is a film i like a lot and i think you enjoy but i think it's more of a sims favorite it's an action film a sci-fi action film is this an error where you feel like you might be quick to guess some of these was just like peak movie going on for your hip-hop back in fall 93 i mean you would have been you're not you're not that much older than me you're like four or five years older than me i feel maybe you're older than i would have been in i would have been solid i would have been a freshman in high school probably okay so you're fair but old yeah really i was like prime fucking right so you're seeing you may well have seen this film it starts two action stars oh was it uh independence day no 93 nope i suppose that would have come out on independence day yes sorry it's a sims favorite i'm not gonna jump in anymore which studio released it uh it is a warner brothers picture it's a warner brothers sci-fi two-hander who stars is it based on anything no it's original yeah based on some crazy idea somebody had it's a good movie it's sort of the um we're approaching the final years of one of the stars is original kind of a-list career i would say more common for him to link up with another star maybe to help out and the other guy's younger up and coming action star is in the middle of a hot run in the 90s has his own flame out later on i love i love him but you know i always seem to a complicated guy momentarily i was thinking like rumble in the bronx no is it is it a big two-faced poster if they're looking at each other oh don't look at each other it's uh broken arrow no it's not any mine no that is a real oh it's demolition man there we go there is one of the real sims favorites it's a real favorite of mine i love that movie so much it's a masterpiece thank you i feel like those are the two different types of but like you just don't have the patch but it's the two different types of two faces there's the sort of broken arrow two half faces two half faces and then there's the face to face yeah it's all on absolutely true uh so that's number one for the second week in a row okay number two is new this week it is a comedy film uh based on a tv show 1993 it's very popular tv show i think this movie did okay it's not a is it a continuation of that show you know or is it a kind of a read the great question and i i cannot speak uh i cannot answer that because i don't know the show very well beyond very very basic information and i've never seen the film but it's not a saturday night live no it is not uh it's no it's based on like a hit sitcom that ran for like 10 years in the 60s uh and maybe early 70s uh it's directed by a woman relax tim jesus not a betty time i have to go back to the notes is it a betty thomas it is not it's not brady bunch movie it's not beaverly hill billies it's not lead to be it is beaverly hill billies which is directed by panelope sparrows i always think that movie is later 1993 and of course didrik beter debony colman jim varni jim varni is it a continuation or not i have no idea it's just it's just like like it's like the adam's family it's like let's just do this as a movie yes have you ever seen it uh no i never have been it for when we do spheres you like beaverly hill billies i don't remember anything about it yeah i mean i feel like they find a way it'll probably yeah definitely no definitely number three you know what there's fun yeah number three the box office it's a family friendly modern you know hit movie comedy uh it's the movie that like the video store rental guy would recommend to every parent i feel when i was a kid this is actually a good kids movie like that kind of it's a pretty it's a good but like the video store guys like you want a good family movie is that the tone i think it's just i guess so it's just a movie where it's like it's pretty harmless everybody kind of likes it it's right down the middle 93 it's not the sand no it's a sports movie though it is a sports movie it's not little giants it's not little big league it's not rookie of the year no but i mean angels in the elf these are all these are all movies i saw in theaters yeah it's not the big green no mighty ducks no great movies not d2 no certainly not d3 definitely not uh if you tell us the sport will it give it away it will it will so it's a specific sport very specific airbud it's cool running it's cool cool running which is yeah totally fun right i haven't seen it in 25 years i showed it to the kids i think when they were a little bit like this probably would have been five years ago and they fucking loved it yeah it's fun i just want to be funny if i'm like no it's a pop flood movie there's plenty of them i just watched the the colon hanks drun candy documentary yes i'd like to watch that sure is it on netflix or prime you gotta prime it up um well not today you know not today not today and maybe never again uh but they talk about how the the final couple of years before his very untimely premature death that it felt like the movies were starting was the guy overexposed right tired they show a lot of interviews of critics being like so you've been in more turkeys than a fucking thanksgiving dinner he was kind of similar to belutur where it's like something he felt like kind of less healthy right like you could see him sort of although he's less of a party guy no i know but he wasn't doing hard drugs and he was yeah he was just in poor health yes and and he was overworked and he was doing like four or five movies a year and they were like is this too much of this guy and that i was like but wasn't like cool running like a late hit and it's one of the last movies had he died i'm not sure i think it's maybe the last one released while he was still alive yeah because he died early 94 and canadian bacon wagons used to the two after his death um and i was like that's exactly did he not get any credit for cool running's being a hit and then i looked it up and he's not on the fucking poster no because the poster is that like cool like uh jamaican kind of a cartoon like of the bobsled and then he's certainly the most proven movie star in that film and it felt like disney was like maybe he's actually a deterrent at this point that we need to hide him in the marketing oh you know so cool running says a lot to explain to its audience to make us kind of bobsled team um well i mean i don't know i'm gonna negate what you just said but it feels like that's not a lot to explain right there you don't like the bobsled team and so you need to gauge with that news it's a fun movie jack candy is really good he is really good and it's a good movie i mean like it's a fun movie one of the best one of the best he's so funny i mean i grew up with him as one of my fives of all time now before the box office is and this might shock you to hear this is a film where alex baldwin plays kind of an intense guy in the 90s can you believe it it's not the edge nope is it malice there we go i'm telling you this is like prime fucking time the uh you know it's a you know noir how how harold becker thriller uh kibman is the love interest and bill pulman's in there and stuff but it's the one where um he gives the i am god speech that i heard sorkin wrote you ever seen malice no i've never seen malice i've seen that clip yeah i feel like i remember it being good i have a solid solid solid yeah solid 90s thriller baldwin kind of an interesting counterpoint to the the bridge's discussion obviously bridges started so much younger right had been a movie star for longer but in the 90s i think they were like bridges has found his place this is where he is this is where he lives and baldwin was another guy you went to if the top 10 turned it down but the difference was hollywood was like is baldwin one movie away from becoming one of the 10 yeah no it kept being like isn't he an a-lister or is he not like isn't he like an intro way right yeah and then it'll you know movies like malice it'll be like yeah rack up 50 mil for it like it's not like a nothing burger yeah but it's not quite number five uh this is a thriller an action thriller okay uh i feel it is 100 best known for its soundtrack it has an iconic is a judgment soundtrack it is the film judgment night uh a movie in which of course amelio yes directed by steven hoffkins which of course amelio estes as cuba gooding jr germy piven and steven dorfer on the run from denis leary you could have just said the boys and we would have known the cats you didn't have to name them one by one but just one of those things were like you look at the poster and it's like amelio and dorf and cuba looking stressed out yeah and the behind them in silhouette is fucking denis leary smoking a cigarette i'm like the man was everywhere like he was out there saying like whatever coffee shouldn't have sugar in it or whatever and everyone was like right youtube weirdly he's also a fucking demolition man yeah youtube algorithm uh served me up the rich eisen show my favorite show which i complimented him for being on and tim said i was never on that show and then i sent him back his own clip rich eisen he seems like a good interviewer i love it and it's a good time yeah i remember i have fond memories from him being him and steward scott being my favorite guys when my brother james he was watching the sport center iconic those two scott stew scott absolute legend reston the best remember when we were uh we're gonna bring him back to dracta you remember that night where he's in the movie he's in the movie yeah and there was this night where griffin and i were like sitting looking at our phones and he came in and is like everybody's on their phone these days nobody talks anymore and immediately griffin and i like put our phones out we're like what dennis and then we're like what's going on man he was like oh i didn't really have anything to say so we kind of like well fucking tell us a story man what you're dennis leary you're dennis leary you've yelled at us before it's a great story and this story apparently inspired the uh the fox to come where he's a military general yeah did that keep going no one is still on the air right is that the story that he told the creator of that show listens to this podcast and was like oh someone should write a show where dennis leary has a reason to yell at people all the time i mean he is good what if he's a drill sergeant or whatever i guess he's a general i don't know i don't fucking know rude i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm being rude yes um uh thing i was gonna say rich eisen had germy pivenall mm-hmm and he asks him about the larry sanders show and that's a show he quit a season and a half in because he thought they weren't giving him enough material right and he keeps asking him but like what was it like larry sanders and he keeps going like answering anything but larry sanders and being like and i'm on that show and i could cast on seinfeld and i've never even watched sign books i don't even own a tv and they're like right but larry sanders and he won't answer it and i think he's trying to talk around how much of a brat he was on larry sanders and he goes look i was just so young i was so green i'm right out of college and suddenly i'm on a tv show and it was crazy and then i was like did the years line up for that i look up he's 27 he had been in seven movies germy pivenall yes i'll just say what is the story i feel like he massages the truth once in a while unfortunately not the only thing he massages without permission i i think that you are right like like for all the credit that uh the hot ones guy gets for like his questions i feel like rich eisen is not a softball guy like he's a really good interview he's a really good interview i think he loves movies and tv when he has a real nerd about it yes i don't watch his show when he has a fucking athlete on why anytime he has an actor on i'm like he's asking really good questions yeah he's he's good when he has uh when he has ray leo don and he's got that signed goodfellas poster and ray leo does like i never signed that it's not my signature make him smash it open and sign it it's good shit ben haasley is fully checked out ben have you you know the judgment night soundtrack if not queued up on spotify you're gonna love it great hip hop soundtrack from the early 90s i'm serious all right i'll check it out i'm serious you will you will i'm not like sims like it's funky thrash haasley's got the sims posture right now he does and sims is leaning in sims is leaning in sims is why the side of what is happening number six of the box office because of amazon yeah amazon is everything oh he's almost went three hours on fearless on fearless hell yeah an excellent film david what's number five at the box office number five was judgment night number six is the good son mccolligan thriller number seven they had to overdub him swearing because they didn't want it to if they wanted to be able to say he's still like he is not sullied by the swear words it would have broken america it would have broken america so they overdubbed to hit the when he was like don't fuck with me number six is uh yeah i said already good son number seven is uh the joy luck club great movie uh number eight is and go away uh age of innocence to pop up number age of innocence great movie as well with writer ross cannot make it of course number nine the fugitive which we love number ten a bronx tale which was a flop at the time and has become quite a beloved classic obviously and there's that scene where chaz palmetry fucks up the hell's angels in the bar the tick tock is like you want to watch this you know like i fucking watched it yesterday and they're like you're gonna give it another ganda at dinner last night having this conversation about how he eats dinner i i do all sorts of crazy shit dinner were you eating just like a dinner in the lobby of the hotel i was in new york hotel so lazy he can't even leave his lobby new york needs tourism that i love it i just heard anything he says on him take the long legs out for a walk gotta move that plot around and when i see he needs to see those games exactly our sidewalk isn't good enough for you and i need a four inch inseam on your shorts we really gotta get all the people gonna know if you're walking here exactly what else does one do in new york that like they're now doing it they'll do it with like the shitty horror movies that were made in like 2011 that you've never seen where it's like the man wants to go into the bathroom but he does not know that there is another man behind with a knife you know what i mean like where they have like the shitty ai but they're starting to do that with like titanic and like movies that everybody like they've been doing it with good fellas like they try to enter the bar but instead of going through the front door they go through the kitchen where they i'm intrigued and i will be clicking on your link so it's like they might have fixed good fellas given it a clearer title yeah i don't know it's about pizza i don't understand uh tell me who the best guys i love this so much it's so nice that we got to do this because you're not in town that often that often and uh hopefully you'll be back in town soon i know one of the and we don't have to do a podcast and i love new york city right and like there are their dreams that i have a staying here for longer periods of time all include and this is 100 true all include my ability to be on this podcast more often i would love you to have you on more often but unfortunately we're booked up so uh no no no but also i'd love to just get dinner with you yeah here tell them a dinner you guys all got in LA oh get on a plane it's a nice dinner it sounds like pizza it was fun yeah it was a fun time we shut it down they were like changing the light bulbs in the restaurant somebody had a ladder out like we had to apologize like thank you so much for letting us go see mars attacks at video it's when we ran past that by like two right you arrived all the credits for rolling yeah sounds good venice you made fun of me he's like you're wearing linen pants and drinking orange wine who are you really that sounds awesome to me my friend that was LA benny LA Benny LA Benny well i don't wear a lot of late in pants but orange wine i mean like you know let's do it love it uh what used to be several different uh group texts we combine into sort of a mega not mega yeah mega group text that we call news and deals that's ostensibly designed for us to share physical media announcements and discounts and becomes a bit of a garbage plate of every other opinion we have yeah but my favorite thing is when because we're all gang up on each other and say yeah everyone gets their turn in the barrel to be the part of the joke right and every lorry seems to be broadly unscathed how can you make fun of david you can't you can't you Jesus Christ he's like a creature from another universe got the eyes of an angel exactly but beautiful people will pile up on sims and then david will go like i'm sorry in my defense i'm the only one in here to raise twins and like three times he's dropped this and you go like excuse me i have never done that it has happened i do have you beat though and you go i didn't bet other twin parents i meet more twin parents now my kids in school with two twins right like where the other kids in another class right because they split them up yeah yeah and i'll be like i have twins too and they're like oh you do who's who's your where's your sibling and i'm like no i have twins in addition and they'll go oh fuck like like literally like other parents will be like Jesus the reason the reason i remember that this did in fact happen yes yes yes is you said this right and tim was like i have twins as well and you were like i was like take a hight yours aren't babies yeah take a hey what's true yeah they're 13 famously easy easy age two parents before you got here you were late uh tim and i was getting coffee and amazon was down griffin said the best best excuse ever usually his excuses the train is late or whatever so they had to brew a new party i did i said three cups for me and my friends please and they said we can only give you one like a so long here at the coffee shop the p os is down the coffee shops on fire i couldn't place a mobile order tim and i were talking about this guess his i have uh i have immediate child problems which are feed me change me i can't sleep whatever my teeth hurt you have a and i essentially emotional problems that deal with teenagers i have like the jeff bridges in fearless level of problems with mine like i don't know if this is solvable man i maybe stop driving your car into a wall while your kids are in the car that is not the best way to address the fearless is that's how you teach lessons yeah it works i've got an idea nothing else is working oh boy just blast where the streets have no name make your twins hold on to their toolboxes for to your life give them a little kiss and just pedal to the metal what a pleasure yeah nobody wants the string now on thank god you did this today and not tomorrow when you were like sandwiched between kelly clarkson and whatever other we were truly gonna have to do it in between two fucking talk show appearance yes and i was i was stressed out about getting to this point of being like we haven't even spoken about the movie and i now have to leave two and a half hours yeah a disaster yeah thank you all for listening is there anything else you want to plug no i think we did it all great nobody wants this came out six months ago i mean sorry podcast oh yeah i do a podcast with matt wash where we now cover movies that have presidents or vice presidents in them and it's called second in command you can find us on patreon i did an episode on dav the penis question the big central penis question of the avan reyman film dav was discussed in depth in depth in get into it yeah thank you all for listening please remember to rate review and subscribe tune in next week for uh is next week true yeah this is the thing about peter weir you're like damn fearless like this rocks he's really hitting this amazing hollywood stride and it's like truman show master and commander way back like his career is almost over well and we'll talk he's gonna make great movies we'll talk about it next week but the whole thing with truman is they're like great news jim carrey wants to do the movie bad news he is actually booked for the next two years straight right he will do it but you're six in line so he has like two years of prep on that movie right which is part of why that movie i was gonna say it probably helped right but yeah who's your guest jd amado i think jd is going to be on that one barring the great jd amado returning to the show over on the patreon tomorrow we release an episode on devil wears prod a two that is true we will definitely be doing that that schedule right in general who knows no release date changes yep no that thing feels like it is gonna eat at the start of summer right that thing is going to destroy right uh and we're gonna have a special guest yeah my my sister romley newman long time sister returned to the show for the first time in many years that's cool uh yeah uh anyway and as always movies are great again now i go yeah blank check with griffin and david is hosted by griffin newman and david sims our executive producer is me ben hostley our creative producer is marie bardie selenus and our associate producer is aj mckayen this show is mixed and edited by aj mckayen and alan smithy research by jj birch our theme song is by lane mcgummery in the great american novel with additional music by alex mitchell artwork by joe bowen olly moss and pat reynolds our production assistant is minnick special thanks to david show jordan fish and nate paterson for their production help head over to blankcheckpod.com for links to all of the real nerdy shit join our patreon blank check special features for exclusive franchise commentaries and bonus episodes follow us on social at blank check pod subscribe to our weekly newsletter checkbook on sub-stack this podcast is created and produced by blank check productions