The Confused Breakfast

BRUNCH: Best Hockey Movies

53 min
May 4, 202627 days ago
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Summary

The Confused Breakfast hosts discuss their favorite hockey movies spanning multiple decades, from classics like Slap Shot and Miracle to modern films like Goon and Sudden Death. They debate which films best capture the sport's essence and announce a Patreon vote where members will select which hockey movie the show will review next.

Insights
  • Hockey movies succeed when they capture attitude and character over technical accuracy—films like Slap Shot and Goon resonate because they authentically portray the sport's culture and enforcer mentality rather than perfect on-ice sequences
  • The enforcer role in hockey has been historically underrepresented in film despite being central to team strategy; documentaries like Ice Guardians reveal how enforcers enabled star players to perform by creating physical intimidation on opposing teams
  • Sports films from the 1970s-1980s (Slap Shot, Miracle) benefit from scrappy, era-appropriate filmmaking that matches their underdog narratives, while modern attempts often struggle to replicate that authenticity
  • Patreon-gated voting on content creates community engagement and allows audiences to directly influence podcast editorial decisions, serving as a retention and monetization strategy
  • Lesser-known films like Sudden Death (5.9 IMDB) can generate audience interest through unconventional premises (Die Hard meets hockey) despite poor critical reception, suggesting fan enthusiasm doesn't correlate with review scores
Trends
Revival of sports documentaries examining historical figures and subcultures (Ice Guardians, Danbury Trashers doc) gaining traction as audiences seek authentic stories beyond traditional narrative filmsCult appreciation for B-movies and critically-panned sports films driven by niche communities willing to defend unconventional premises and entertainment value over critical consensusHockey content gaining mainstream visibility through prestige TV (Shoresy) and podcast discussion, indicating growing cultural interest beyond traditional sports viewershipPatreon and direct-to-fan monetization models enabling long-form entertainment content to sustain without traditional studio backing or advertising dependencySports film quality declining in recent decades; hosts note fewer quality comedies being made, suggesting industry shift away from character-driven sports narratives toward franchise IPEnforcer culture and physical play in hockey being re-examined through documentary lens as rule changes and player safety concerns reshape the sport's identityNostalgia-driven engagement with 1990s sports media experiments (Fox's glowing puck technology) indicating audience appetite for retro sports entertainment discussion
Topics
Best hockey movies across decades and genresEnforcer role and physical play in hockey strategySports film storytelling techniques and authenticity1970s-1980s filmmaking era and scrappy narrativesPatreon community voting and content selectionHockey documentaries and historical narrativesCharacter-driven vs. technical accuracy in sports filmsDie Hard-style action premises in sports moviesCult appreciation for critically-panned filmsNHL playoff performance and team analysisHockey in non-hockey films and TV showsSports film decline and modern cinema trendsUnderdog narratives in sports entertainmentFox Sports hockey broadcast innovations (1990s)Minor league hockey culture and storytelling
Companies
Disney
Produced Miracle (1980 USA vs Russia Olympic hockey film); hosts debated whether Disney 'fied' the true story while p...
Patreon
Platform enabling The Confused Breakfast to monetize through membership tiers; hosts use it to conduct monthly movie ...
People
Paul Newman
Starred in Slap Shot (1977); hosts identified him as a major draw for the film's credibility and appeal
Kurt Russell
Lead in Miracle (1980); hosts praised his performance and 70s aesthetic as central to the film's success
Sean William Scott
Starred in Goon (2011); hosts discussed his character work and noted he's become underrated as a performer
Jean-Claude Van Damme
Lead in Sudden Death (1995); hosts expressed enthusiasm for the Die Hard-meets-hockey premise despite poor reviews
Rob Lowe
Starred in Youngblood (1986); hosts noted the film's star power despite mediocre critical reception
Patrick Swayze
Co-starred in Youngblood (1986); hosts highlighted his presence as a draw for the film
Keanu Reeves
Appeared in Youngblood (1986); hosts noted his presence in the ensemble cast
George Roy Hill
Directed Slap Shot (1977) and The Sting; hosts praised his filmmaking and the film's scrappy 70s aesthetic
Gavin O'Connor
Directed Miracle (1980); hosts credited him with nailing the true story adaptation despite Disney influence
Jay Baruchel
Wrote and acted in Goon (2011); hosts praised his comedic performance and the film's tight editing
Evan Goldberg
Co-wrote Goon (2011) with Jay Baruchel; contributed to the film's successful comedy structure
Liev Schreiber
Starred in Goon (2011); hosts highlighted his handlebar mustache and charismatic performance as central to the film
Wyatt Russell
Starred in Goon: Last of the Enforcers (2017) as opposing enforcer; hosts noted the sequel's lesser quality
Steve Carell
Demonstrated strong skating ability in The Office episodes; hosts praised his hockey scenes and actual hockey background
Powers Boothe
Appeared in Sudden Death (1995); hosts expressed surprise at his involvement in the action-hockey hybrid
Quotes
"I just think it's a misfit attitude most of the time. Like money ball is a movie that I like love for probably no specific reason other than it's Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill just doing like, you know, smart, smart guy shit in baseball. But now I just want to do, I just want a money ball movie for hockey."
AJ~25:00
"It's the attitude of that sport. And that movie has it in space, like you have the brothers, you know, the Hanson Brothers iconic brothers... it's about basically a blue collar town that's got a hockey team that's going to fold and they're going to sell the team unless they bring people out to the rink."
Sean~35:00
"This is a movie. Holy shit. Jean Claude, the film pits a lone fire marshal against extortionists who hold unsuspecting NHL players and fans for ransom during game seven of the Stanley Cup final."
Mike~75:00
"Toughness is a part of the sport more than skill, especially when you get into the playoffs. And when you're playing hockey and you're getting, every time you're a defender and you're going to your boards and you're trying to get the puck, while you know some giant 230 pound dudes going to smash you every time you get the puck, you're going to think twice next time you go in the corner."
Sean~105:00
"Hockey was struggling a little bit and they decided that they kind of asked a lot of people like, why don't you watch hockey? It's like the Pucks hard to follow. It's like, oh, just watch the guy with this stick on it. Never mind. They follow the puck."
Mike~130:00
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I think you're, I think at this point you're still, you still haven't played a second round game for the Flyers yet. So I think we're still happy at this point when you're in this. We won the cup. No, that's the feeling right now. We've just taken it all. Sean's ecstatic because his team's finally doing something that he's never seen them do. I'm super sad because my team didn't even make it and AJ's just hanging out over there being like, yep, my car. Look at them. Best guy in the league. There he is. Wow. Oh, dang. Another goal sweep. We might win 16 in a row. Who cares? Who knows? I guess, I guess we'll just have to wait and see because that's all we're doing right now is waiting for the other teams. Bold prediction. Bold prediction. Whoever comes out of Dallas, Minnesota, as long as they're not just so beat up, they're going to, they're going to take Colorado to seven games. I'm not going to bold predict that this, that Dallas and Minnesota beats them, but Colorado's not going to run away with that, whatever their next round matches. I am almost at like a 51, 49% that in favor that whoever comes out of this, that like Dallas and Minnesota might, might just pull it off because they're going to be cold. Kings and trash. Dallas and Minnesota is, is like the Stanley Cup final in the first round. It is. It's bullshit. We need to go back to one to eight because the fact that in fact, what are the two teams? Is it the Lightning and Montreal in the East and the wild and Dallas in the West? All four of those teams have more than 100 points a piece. And two of those teams will be going home in the first round. That is not acceptable. That's pretty brutal. Yeah. It's like lethal weapon losing to whatever it did. How did you not put Godfather in it? They're still getting people going, you left out this one. It's like, yeah, I know. Sorry. You left out matrix like matrix wouldn't have made it out of the first round. Those sequels are such trash. You're in love with the original. And so are we. So are we. But the father is basically just one and two. Is there any fans of three? I love it. Like it kind of doesn't exist. I mean, there's a third one. Yeah, exactly. Well, we're here. We're just, we got hockey fever. We talk about it all the time. We've been doing hockey movies. We've been talking hockey on the show for five plus years. We're just going to have a little breakdown of the best favorite all time, whatever, just hockey movies, hockey movie conversation. There's some pretty good, like not only are there good movies based on hockey, but there's some good hockey scenes in some movies. I don't think, I don't think hockey is the number one best sport on film. I think that's probably, that's probably football, maybe even golf. If you think about the movies that have been made about football and golf, like they're pretty, they're pretty top tier, but they're inspiring movies for sure. Yeah. Yeah. They're inspiring little, hockey's a little tougher, I think sometimes to get it right. But the ones that have done it have been all timers for me for sure. Yeah. And, and you know, while we do this too, I, because I was looking through some of the lists of just hockey movies and there's a lot that I haven't seen. So I'm interested to see if you guys have seen some of these that I haven't seen or you, you know, just see if they're worth checking out. You know, there's a couple on, on here that I'm sure I'll bring up later. But, but I mean, a good hockey movie though, man, I, I'm kind of a sucker for it. You know what I mean? And do you think that that stems from us just all like probably growing up on the Mighty Ducks? Props. A little bit. Or I didn't grow up on the Mighty Ducks. I watched them, but I'm with you, AJ. A lot of these I definitely haven't seen. I mean, a lot of the kind of, I guess lower level ones. Yeah. But I will say, I think, I think you're right, Mike, that like football is probably the best on film sport. Maybe second to baseball. I don't know. Maybe baseball. Baseball. Yeah. There's mantis are like about like what goes on outside of baseball. It's like the journey and baseball happens to be the vessel or something like that. Yeah. And the money, like money ball is a great example of just like field of dreams. Yeah. Exactly. But yeah, football, football is like the sport. It's like glory. It's everything. There's just like so many high impact plays and stuff like that. And then like, I think the difference is hockey is just more of like an attitude. And so like movies like Goon get it right. Movies like obviously slap shot get it perfect. You know, like they get the attitude correct. And it's a, it's a misfit attitude most of the time. Like money ball is a, is a movie that I like love for probably no specific reason other than it's Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill just doing like, you know, smart, smart guy shit in baseball. But now I just want to do, I just want a money ball movie for hockey. Okay. Can we get that done? I would love that. Just talking statistics. It's just like, what's the, what's the goalie for the Flyers, Sean? Dars, Fledar. Fledar. It's just like this is, this, this is Dan, Dan LaVar, Fledar. It's like people just haven't picked him up because he uses his blocker in a weird way. And it's just like, okay, great. I want more of that. He uses his stick so good. Like his positioning is so good. But his safe percentage is, is a 0.973. It's like, okay. It's like the analytical basis. Yeah. Well, let's start off with the obvious. Let's talk about the Mighty Ducks franchise because I still cannot understand why it's so polarizing online. Like I'm, I've been reposting a lot of our Mighty Ducks conversations from one and two and people cannot help themselves, but, but get involved with a conversation about the Mighty Ducks. And maybe it's just the era of when it came out. And it's the fact that the majority of us, maybe not Sean, obsessed over the Mighty Ducks, but, but Mighty Ducks one was in maybe one of the heaviest rotations of VHSs in my household in the mid to late nineties. Yeah. I mean, it's, it was definitely like obviously there for me. And, but yeah, it wasn't like it, it was just the movies. It was the characters and everything. It wasn't really like the hockey aspect of it for me. Like I, cause just could not give a shit about sports at the time, I guess. But I can, I can definitely see how, especially like it being about an actual franchise, you know, well, kind of, I guess it's spawned a franchise in name only, I guess. Yeah. That's, that's really cool. And I mean, it's, it's arguably the best logo in hockey. When they came out in, in two, and they had that third Jersey on that duck that was being unleashed to the world, the Anaheim, they were the Mighty Ducks for like a decade. It like, no contest man. I'm in, I'm sold on this franchise and I wanted Jersey. I think I bought a Jersey. I'm pretty sure I did. Even though I was a diehard blues fan, I'm like, this is just, just cause I like the movie. I don't like the team. I like the movie. Okay. It's a bank's Jersey. Okay. I love the second or that third Jersey or whatever so much, but I'm still, I'm still in love with the green one, the original green one with the, with the, the duck hockey player on it. It's almost like, it's almost like that's where they got like the, the old Arizona coyotes kind of Jersey idea from, but I just, I love, I love the Mighty Ducks, uh, green Jersey man. That's definitely a lifelong prop for me. I swear. It's just still funny to look back on it cause as a kid, one, two, and three, like you're, you're pretty sold on this. You're pretty sold on this idea. Maybe it was a nineties thing in sports where like, yeah, we're not good. None of us have ever played hockey. None of us have any skills whatsoever, but if we just like band together and like get a little bit of community going and maybe do weird drills like with eggs, well, we'll beat the best team. We will. And, and it just like so many of those sports movies back then really nailed it. And number one, we talked about it. They had no fucking business being on the same ice as the Hawks, not even in, not even in 10 hundred tries could they have scored a goal on the Hawks, let alone beat in them. Then in number two, we talked about that at length. Like why in the fucking world did, did that team get to represent the United States along with the other players who they brought who AJ very famously took was like Mendoza's a liability and he completely is. I like, and then they go to number three, which we will have to do someday. Hopefully I can't wait because it's not bad, but for the first time ever, they actually get a coach who like knows what they're doing and the coach is like the bad guy because he's not Bombay. It's such a weird thing to look back on as adults. Thank you. That is like 100%. You look back on this and coach Ryan, it's Ryan or oh, I think it's just Ryan, coach Ryan. It's a O Ryan. I don't know. Because there's O Riley and I wanted to be another O Rai. Okay. But like coach Ryan, whatever it is, they do, they like demonize him and like he's literally giving them amazing great advice and building this team up from the ground up being like, yeah, I get who you say you are, but I don't know you and I need to watch you guys play. It's like, oh, that's a normal thing. And then it's like you look back on this and he has these moments where he gives this amazing advice about two way hockey and like, you know, that's how you control, that's how you take control of life. It's like when you don't have control of the puck, you know, and it's just like, you know, there's some great sentiments in there. And then you look back at like what Bombay was talking about with fucking eggs and picking up trash and you're like, this is garbage. It's just like, it's O Ryan. Okay, but regardless. Yes, no, I, I, I can't wait to cover that movie. I like number three more than I like number two spoilers. I can't wait till we cover it this holiday season. Let's actually turn this into a, where we're going to talk about about five or more movies and let's turn this into a plea. Let's combine all these movies into one vote and let's turn this into a plea of why we want our Patreon members to select our movie. Okay. Yeah, I like this. Meaning AJ is very, AJ and me are like, you know, D three could be a lot of fun. AJ wants to talk about it because he likes it and he likes the life advice. I want to talk about it strictly for social media numbers because I know people will love that. And Sean's like, you know what, no, we're not going to do it. Can we pick some cinema? D three cinema. Go for it. Slap shot. Let's get on the slap shot. Lead my train here. This is my train, Sean. I want you to lead it. I mean, it's, it's, it's stars one of the greatest movies stars of all time. And it's a fucking Sundance kid for Christ's sake, you know, sorry, it's a butch. Butch Kesty. That's like the main reason for me. But I it's it's like I said, it's the attitude of, of that sport. And that movie has it in space, like you have the brothers, you know, the Hanson Brothers iconic brothers. It's director George Roy Hill. This guy fucking rules, man. This guy is the director of the of the sting, Mike. Oh, damn, really? And Butch Kesty and the Sundance kid. I just think it's it's about, I mean, I don't really remember much like great hockey scenes. I know that's not why we're really covering any of these movies. But the the character, the characters of of the team is just is outstanding. The chiefs is that's that's why you come to this and I have soft spot for movies in 1977. And I beg at proponent of 70s filmmaking is probably the best America has ever done. Yeah, it's just a scrappy movie made in the era or like the decade of all scrappy movies and about a scrappy team. And that's why I want to cover it. I haven't seen it in a long time. I've been waiting. I used to watch it like almost every year. And I've been waiting about six years now just because I know that we're going to cover it. And I've been pleading to cover it. If you guys have never seen it, it's the quintessential hockey movie like any person in hockey today. If you go, what's your favorite hockey movie? They're gonna, they're gonna be like, Slap Shot. Obviously the first time I saw it, my uncle showed it to me, probably shouldn't have seen it at a young age. There's Melinda Dillon's boobies in it. There's there's a lot of language in there. But my God, it's it's about basically a blue collar town that's got a hockey team that's going to fold and they're going to sell the team unless they bring people out to the rink. It's very sure as he essentially it's kind of the same thought behind that. But it's just you got Paul Newman, you got the Hanson brothers, the guy that plays Ned Braden's hilarious in it. The goalie, Denny Lemieux is one of my favorite characters in sports movie history. It's just, Oh, who's the guy that plays the newspaper writer? He's been in a ton of movies. Oh, it's M. M. at Walsh is the newspaper article writer. It's just, it's so damn funny. And it's so iconic. And I we just got to do it, man. We have to do this movie. The slap shot. But guys, don't forget, I mean, there's some amazing sequels that came out of this slap shot to with Stephen Baldwin. I mean, wow, cinema and slap shot three. That's that exists. That is a movie. I've I've refused to watch two and three. Have you guys seen any of these? No, I just like the number I didn't even know there was it's like Godfather three, like why does it exist? I don't like I had no idea. What the hell even is Leslie Nielsen's in it. So now I'm going to watch it. So slap shot two is a 4.4 on IMDB guys. So pretty that of anything we have done. I'm pretty sure that is the absolute lowest of anything we've done. What did I say? 4.4 street fighter and super Mario brothers are 4.1 and bio dome is a 4.4 is how people feel about this movie. Charles, yeah, it just goes to show is like, you know, when we're going to get a sequel to what like like butch, butch and Sundance, I think there is a sequel to that actually. I'm trying to think of like a famous movie that people are Shawshank. Yeah, something like that. It's like, why? Why are we doing this? Why? When are we going to get Shawshank Redemption 2 lost in New York? Yeah, we did it. We did it right. Well, my plea is definitely for for slap shot. But speaking of a movie that's very, I think of the of the parlance of slap shot, but more modern is Goon. The Goon came out in like 2010, maybe do you guys got a date on that on when that came out? I do actually 2011. 2011. I remember seeing seeing like a preview for it or something and I'm like, really? Stiffler is going to be a Goon and he's playing hockey. I it was one of those movies we've talked about where you go in with absolutely no hope. It's a wet hot American summer. It's a grandma's boy and out cold where you're just like, this is going to suck. And then you watch it. Expectations are so low that you're like, damn, did they actually just nail this? Like, is this actually my new favorite movie? That's exactly what happens with that movie, I think. And it's Jay Bereshell directing and and he's acting in it as this as his friend. He wrote it. Michael Douse directed. I think Jay Bereshell directed the sequel. He did? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, he you're probably right. Yeah, he wrote it. I apologize. He wrote it. He wrote it. With Evan Goldberg. That's right. And but he wrote it. He's acting in it and everything. I think he's very funny in it. He's a little over the top at points, but in a good way. I mean, he keeps keeps the levity there. But it doesn't have any reason to be so damn good. And Leif Shriver might be a big part of that, though. Yes, I think I think he's like a I don't know, perfect kind of person for this role, because even even the shots of him like not dressing hockey gear, he's just like smoking at the bar. He's got like the handlebar mustache. Oh, it looks such a bad ass, man. It's amazing. He's he's so fun to watch in this. When it comes time. I'm not going to hesitate. I will knock you the fuck out. The yeah, and like the the total like complete Canadian of this movie, like like very upper upper Canadian, like what's what's the towns that they say Halifax or something Halifax and it's something like not represented in a lot of hockey movies and not represented in a lot of even like movies in general that that sort of area and like those sorts of accents and stuff. So that's what I appreciated about it a lot too. And I think it's like legitimately one of the funniest movies of that decade, maybe. Like people say like people don't make comedies anymore. And I'm like that that movie gets it right, especially with like sort of like the editing and stuff. There's there's a lot of stuff like quick quick like filmmaking touches and and editing things where like Doug Glatt, who is Sean William Scott will come into a bar and like punch somebody or something and I don't know that I can't really explain it. We have to we have to cover it, but I just remember that movie feeling like so tight and so precise in its comedy and so confident in it, while also like being a really a spiritual sequel to Slap Shot, in my opinion, of like about the enforcer, you know, and like that that being like almost a rocky-esque kind of take in Goon. I don't know dude, Jack and Jill came out in 2011. Oh, sorry. I misspoke for sure. There's one of many good comedies that year. Yeah, I do agree. I feel like it was like almost like a late entry to the 2010s like or like 2000s comedies. It's like just didn't quite get in there, but it was like this nice kind of almost farewell to some of that comedy and they just happened to make it into a hockey movie. And and yeah, I just I think I think we can all agree. I think we all have agreed at least to some degree that Sean William Scott has just become so almost underrated as like a as a performer, like then in the characters that he just decides to kind of develop, you know, I do you guys, I think he still is. There's a moment where I think it's like his whole family shows up to one of his games in Goon and he didn't he didn't realize it and he they're like cheering for him and he points out and he's like, oh my god, there you are. And it cuts back to me. He's like, I'm so happy right now. Yeah, there's the way he says shit. So good. Yes, exactly. Like role models was one of the movies that we've covered with him, obviously American Pie, but it's just like he he he becomes so iconic so quickly, you know, with his with what he does. It's great. He was a bit typecast there for a while and it was nice to see him come into a role that I loved that was not really the same guy that he was doing in road trip, American Pie role models like that tough, cool guy kind of thing, you know. Yeah, Jay Bershel took that role in this movie pretty much. Yeah, yeah. Kind of like this. Halifax, Halifax 69. It's hilarious. That kind of thing. Did you ever see the the sequel then Last of the Enforcers from 2017? I did only because what's his name or our godfather Russell Crowe or no not Russell Crowe Kurt Russell, his son was in it. Wyatt Russell. He was like the the enforcer that that's right. Oh really? In this one. It's not great, to be honest. It's really it really kind of loses its steam compared to the first movie. But I mean, if you're a fan of Goon, definitely watch the second one. If you haven't seen it, it's just to complete it, you know. I enjoyed it. I thought it was fun. It was just I think you're right that I think it's just like a nice fun addition on to like the Goon universe, if you will. Because like I say, you know, Leaf Shriver does come back and he kind of they kind of team up, you know, yeah, in that one to battle this Wyatt Russell, his character that comes into this this league. So but it's fun. It's definitely fun. It's tell me Beedlejuice Beedlejuice like the third second Beedlejuice was the one we saw together. Yes. It's like when you get done, they're like, okay. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Probably won't watch that again, but that's that's okay. I'm glad they did that. It's going to get some auto play time after I watch Goon again. And then that's how they're going to keep their money going. So I got an honorable mention here and I've kind of been waiting to bring it up until we had something like this. When we're talking hockey movies, there's a very lesser known hockey movie that really fits our bill. Like if we were going to do this movie, I think people would have a great time. I think we would have a great time. And I'm wondering if you have ever seen the 1995 Sean Clawd Van Dam movie called Sudden Death? I have not. AJ, you've seen it and Sean hasn't. Oh yeah, baby. DraftKings Casino is changing the game with flex spins. New players play $5 and get 1500 flex spins 50 a day for 30 days. Then you choose how to play across your favorite games like Huff and More Puff, Cash Eruption and more. Download the app now, sign up with code confused to claim 1500 flex spins on your choice of slots. The crown is yours in partnership with DraftKings Casino. Gamble. Gambling problem called 1-800-GAMBLER. 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Next Pledge is a 12-month fixed time tracker tariff with variable rates lower than often's price cap for standard variable tariffs. Direct debit required. T's and C's apply. Okay, I've only seen it once and I remember, I kind of sat there with my mouth open the whole time being like, this is a movie. Holy shit, John, here it is. So Jean Claude, the film pits a lone fire marshal against extortionists who hold unsuspecting NHL players and fans for ransom during game seven of the Stanley Cup final and set payment milestones to coincide with the game's progress. Shut up, I'm in. I like, this is the one. This is the one. Absolutely. It's basically that one scene from Lethal Weapon 3 turned into an entire movie. Or like it seems like the kind of black club in it. How like last Boy Scout starts out with the football player. Yes. Like going in the end zone and doing what he does. Like, ah, man, that sounds so fucking sick. Powers Booth. Powers Booth is in it. Shut the fuck. What are you doing? Well, hold on. It's a 5.9. It's a 5.9 on IMB and it's a 53% on rotten tomatoes. I just want to in Lee spring, the 40% fan score popcorn score. Has that ever deterred us, Michael? Never. I can't wait till I do this. Hey, Michael. No, it might not be a great pick for whenever, July or something for me, but I'm just saying it's one of those movies where it's like slap shots going to lose again. It's going to lose out to sudden death, but I'm like, I'm probably okay with it. I do want to, I just want to pull up one thing here. I want to look at the top letter box here real quick. Here you go. A movie called sudden death set a hockey game that goes into sudden death while the scoreboard flashes sudden death and the announcer goes, it's sudden death. In other words, a masterpiece. Van Damme punches a chick dressed in a penguin suit in the face, automatic five stars for me. This movie has everything I loved as a kid. Die hard, JCBD, hockey, spin kicks, gruesome mascot death and powers booth. I'm so surprised you've never seen this, Sean. Yeah, I never got around to it. I thought I was going to go and watch goon when we got done recording and now I'm going to probably go and try and watch sudden death. Hey Harrison, you want to see a fun hockey movie? He's going to watch with me. It's directed by Peter Himes. He also did Outland, which is a great space Sean Connery movie, End of Days, which is pretty underrated. Good soundtrack too. Oh yeah. And Time Cop with also John Claude Van Damme. Well, we need to throw another movie in there and I hate to do it because sometimes when we make votes, sometimes you're like, oh, that one's going to win. And I wonder if it will. I'm hesitant to bring it in and put it in there. But if you're talking about hockey movies, there is potentially an all time great and it is a true story. It is called Miracle. And I'm glad you bought one. Yeah. It's about one of the greatest hockey performances of all time. And I had seen a lot of documentaries about this game, you know, the 1980 USA versus Russia Olympic, essentially a semi-final match. And the documentaries are incredible. But when they said that Disney was going to be making a movie about this, I was like, you fuck. Yeah, they're going to Disney fi this story. And maybe they did in some ways, maybe they did kind of make it a little more accessible for people, but they nailed it. It's one of the greatest hockey movies of all time. It without it, without any debate. I love this movie, man. I watched it right after USA one. What were your thoughts rewatching it? Was it as good as you ever thought it was? I mean, it just reiterated like it just, I felt the, I felt patriotic after that real life when and it just reiterated all of that, you know, and then like, yeah, it doesn't count though, man, because Russia wasn't actually playing in the Olympics. Yeah, it wasn't a final. It was, they had still to win another game. Yeah. That's the thing we should do. That's a video. Oh, you're doing miracles. You know USA had still had to play another game after that one. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I knew it. Did you know would they play Iceland? No, the bad guys from my deducts to, but it's an all time Kurt Russell performance for me. Just him with that 70s hair and like again, like the 70s aspect is unmatched. Again, it's pretty Disney fide. That's, I guess, my maybe only complaint, but you know, so as remember the Titans and I still had a great time rewatching that movies. Gavin O'Connor directed this. He also directed the warrior or a warrior, AJ. Oh, yes. With those guys and a cool Ben Affleck movie in 2020 that obviously nobody saw the way back as a basketball movie. Good performance by him. But yeah, I'd be equally as down to do this movie as well. I always enjoyed like it's one that I will throw on, you know, kind of a comfort movie kind of a vibe, but it's, you know, it's, it's pretty long and it's pretty, not monotone, but you know, it's just like it's easy to throw on and just kind of do something else while it's on and I can just jump back in whenever. And but I, I love sitting down and watching this movie because again, I'm a sucker for these, these types of stories, these feel good and you know, the all the shit that was going on. But Kurt Russell in this makes this movie and who plays his assistant coach? Oh, it's dude from the face Truman show. Yes. It's his buddy from Truman show. Isn't that who it is? Yes, it is. He plays like the good cop of the coaches. Noah Emrick. Noah Emrick. Yeah. He, yeah, he kind of makes him into the good cop of their good cop, bad cop routine. He's kind of that guy whenever you see him. You're like, oh, it's him. 100%. Which we should, we should cover sometime on a branch of like our favorite that guys and girls. But, but no, I love them. I love this movie so much. I'll throw it on constantly and Kurt Russell in this is what just kind of makes this movie just go and it's that moment right at the end of that movie when they score and everybody's celebrating and he just, he shakes hands and he's kind of in shock and he has to like walk away and he walks down into that tunnel underneath and he's just like, you know, he's just got this release. It feels like, and you can just feel it through the screen, man. It's so damn good. It's, yeah. It's, so I mean, ultimately we've come up with five, I still have some more stuff we can talk about, but we, I think we've come up with five movies that people could vote on, right? These are the ones. People who aren't familiar with the Patreon, I guess, these five movies are going to a vote for our Patreon members to vote on and whichever one wins out, we are covering that movie. So if you want in on that, please, please join up. But yeah, yeah. Patreon.com slash confused breakfast. It's the best way to support the show. You go in there, you sign up at least the $5 tier or higher, you get tons of perks and once a month, we provide a list of like five movies that we've curated and they all vote on it. And whatever one wins becomes a movie that we review on the next month's podcast. So that's one of the cool perks you can get there. Just a quick reminder, those, those five movies are going to be D3 Miracle, Slap Shot, Goon, Sudden Death. That's a tough choice. I'm just going to throw it out there. That is a tough choice. And whether, no matter what gets picked, if you're listening to this, no matter what gets picked, remember it's your fault. There you go. Just one. You either, you either made this happen or you just weren't cool enough to make it not happen. Exactly. But you got your opinion in or you didn't make a case. So what's this? What's this 80s movie, Sean? Oh, no, this is the 2025 remake, I guess, but it's called Youngblood. Oh, shit. I never seen it. I never have, but it's, it's been on my mind, though. 1986. This is Rob Lowe, Patrick Swayze, and Keanu Reeves is in here too. I've always wanted to see this movie. It's got a 44% Rotten Tomatoes, 6.2 IMDB. Holy shit. But Dean Youngblood, Rob Lowe is an exceptionally skilled young ice hockey player, trying to make a name in the Canadian Junior Hockey Circuit and impress scouts from the National Hockey League. However, if he becomes bullied by Goon Carl Racky, played by George Finn, a dirty player who has injured Dean's teammate and friend, Derek Patrick Swayze. After Dean returns to his childhood home, defeated his father, whatever his name is, tries to toughen up the hockey prodigy for a rematch with Racky. Almost sounds like the, like Guy Lafleur or whatever from Goon. It's like his story being told. There's only so many stories you can tell in sports movies, but it's just how you variate off of them a little bit. I've heard of that one before, Sean, and I totally forgot about it. So you just said, have you seen it? I haven't. Like I said, I've always heard about it. And just because that star power makes me want to watch it, I want to see what they do on ice, I guess, Rob Lowe and fucking Patrick Swayze, man. Yeah. And just a daily reminder for you guys to watch Shorzy because it's the greatest hockey show that's ever been made in the history of television. So just a reminder, Shorzy. Okay. There's a movie that's kind of popped up across, it's come across my desk a couple of times here, guys. Yeah. Hockey land. I don't know that one. 2021, it's more of a documentary is what it sounds like, but it basically follows a bunch of high school hockey players. Oh, no, no, no, I have seen this. It's fantastic. Is it? Yes. It's fantastic. It's like high school hockey in the great northern part of Minnesota. Yeah. And they're competing in their final games as high schoolers, but also trying to further their career and pick in colleges and stuff. It's a great documentary, like small town, northern Minnesota kids, where this is life and this is all we do. Hell yeah. See, that's what I want. Yeah. You never saw it, AJ? No, I've never seen it. It keeps popping up and I just want to, I do, I want to. It's a documentary. It's maybe a couple parts or no, I think it's one long documentary. I think it is. Okay. Good. Thank God. There's that hockey documentary. What is it about that team called like the trash fuckers or something like that? That's so good too, man. Yeah. What's what the fuck is that? The trash, trash minor league hockey. Is that the one with like the, it's like like untold crimes and penalties? That's what it is. It's about the Danbury trashers. That one. Fascinating. Fucking fascinating, Sean. It's like mob money tied into it and shit and this, like the guy they have around it is like, is like the son of like a, you know, a mobster. A baron pretty much. And he's like a fuck up and he's like, yeah, free beers every night. It's fucking great. It's so wild that you don't think it's a documentary. You're like, there's no way this is actually true. I have to bring up this because it like just based off the cover of it, it looks super awesome, but it is not very well rated. That's called goalie based on the life of Terry Sauchuk. Hmm. You guys seen this one? No. It says goalie 2019. It's Canadian biographical sports film about the hockey gold tenders. Terry Sauchuk got Kevin Pollock in it. Given a limited release. So it's only 20% on IMDB, but then it's a 6.1 or 20% on rotten tomatoes, but a 6.1 on IMDB. So I don't know. It must be some sort of a, I don't know, not so feel good story about who this guy was and him getting the shit beat out of him because it looks like based on the cover of it, this is like 1950s hockey, 1940s, 50s hockey. So that's when goalies just maybe started wearing masks. Yeah. Psycho free, free on YouTube, to be and Pluto TV. There we go. There's, there's also another documentary that is required watching called ice guardians. Has anybody seen that from 2016? I haven't. It's essentially kind of examining the role of enforcers from back in the day and a lot of the guys that that were enforcers and how it's sort of gone away. But it's a, it's a really great take on the way the games changed a lot in hockey because enforcers were as important as, as star players in the 80s, 90s. Like, you know, Wayne Gretzky would not have been Wayne Gretzky without Marty McSorley and without these guys that literally were on the ice whenever they were, you know, to just be like, you do not touch this man. Do you touch this man? You die. And you had, and you had to strike the fear into other teams to let their star players play hockey. And it's like, you know, blues had some of the best that Kelly Chase, they had Tony twists, like some of the Garth Butcher, his name is Garth Butcher. Like what a, yeah. And it interviews a lot of those guys, but it also talks about the crazy toll that it took on some of these guys who they weren't, they weren't any good at hockey. They were fucking terrible. And they, they, they did their job. They fought like every other night and got the shit beat out of them. And man, it's a tough lie and they didn't get paid too much either. So they, they all had to retire and try to figure out something else in life. It's a great documentary. It's really good. I need to watch that. God, I've got, I've got like so many movies that I need to like add to my list right now. It's ridiculous. It was like made after like the success of Goon, to be honest, because Jay, I think it was, has a talking head in it, and has some good insights, obviously that was like, speaking of, I guess, enforcers quickly and flyers quickly. That's what Pittsburgh was doing in that game six was putting out the fourth liners where like most of their enforcers are, are on and grinding and grinding in, in the offensive zone and just keeping the puck in there and making the other team ice it. And so they can't change. And then the first line comes on, you know, that's what they do. That's like, we just tire them out, make it so they have to make a desperate move and then we'll get our fucking scores out there. That's what they were doing the entire game and it was really working. It works. I mean, you know, like toughness is, is a part of the sport more than skill, especially when you get into the playoffs. And when you're, when you're playing hockey and you're getting, every time you're a defender and you're going to your boards and you're trying to get the puck, while you know some giant 230 pound dudes going to, going to smash you every time you get the puck, you're going to think twice next time you go in the corner to get that puck out. And that's how you win games, man. And enforcers are the way for that. Wasn't there a guy in that, in that OT or maybe his third period, Sean, one of, one of the flyers just got absolutely smashed into the boards, like into the window, into the glass basically. And like he had to come off because he was bleeding all down onto his, his sweater. They had to take his sweater off and then put, put it, get a new one back onto him and, and stop the bleeding. So he could get back out there, but then he got back out there because that's a fucking hockey player. Cause he's a hockey player. You got damn right. Don't fucking worry about it. I want to bring up one. It's not terribly too much of a hockey scene, but any chance I get to talk about this movie, because I know Sean will be into it to bring, bring it up and tell people about it is running scared. Paul Walker. There's, there's a bit of a hockey scene there where like the Russian mobster has some hockey players basically helping torture a few of the guys in the movie using like it was like some dumb theme was like neon at the rink where they turn it every, I'll turn it off and there's like black lights everywhere and the ice is painted with neon and shit like that. It reminds me of, did you guys watch any hockey in the nineties, the late nineties when they were doing the Fox sports stuff? Vague, vague memories of it being on. Yeah. Hockey was struggling a little bit and they decided that they kind of asked a lot of people like, why don't you watch hockey? It's like the Pucks hard to follow. It's like, oh, just watch the guy with this stick on it. Never mind. They follow the puck. Yeah. They, they couldn't figure it out. So Fox sports decided that they were going to go all in on hockey and had, they had this technology where the puck glowed on screen. And if they took a slap shot, it made like a missile and it went like, and there was a streak that followed the puck. Dude, it was wild. Was it epic? Is this where they got the idea for NHL hits? Maybe it very well could have been, but it was like the start of just weird ideas. Like I know our, our local team, the Cedar Rapids Rough Riders, for a few years there would paint the ice, got painted pink for like breast cancer awareness month. And like, it was pink ice and it was like kind of cool to see for like one second. Then you're like, this actually makes the game so hard to watch. And then we would play beer league hockey afterwards and like we could barely skate on it because it was like the ice was melting and the pink was starting to come up through the ice. It was like, this is fucking stupid. It was ridiculous. These are all pinked out and I mean, I support the cause. Okay. Support the Tata's, but also like, you don't need to paint the rink pink for a year. Okay. All right. Some money or something. Yeah. Do this to the eyes. Do you think anybody, do you think running scared would be a good one to do on the podcast? Do you think enough people know about that one? That's a good question. I'm not sure. I know it's, it's, I mean, I was excited to hear that you guys have seen it because I don't hear much people talk about it to be honest, but yeah, it's, it's, it's just a fun, it was like sort of one of the filmmaker or filmmaking techniques that I was so into at the time when I watched it is like very Tony Scott, like Domino, very fast and like, you know, like a lot of shits like all over the screen, you know, very manic, I guess. Very high contrast kind of, yeah, film. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fun one. I'd like to see if people had seen it or not. 2006 plenty of time. I mean, and you know, has passed since we've said we could cover it and you, uh, Chas, Chas Palmieri, one of my favorite actors is, yeah, plays a detective in that too. So Chas Palmieri's in that one. Oh yeah. Yeah. And not to be diminished here, but the guy that plays, uh, Yagorsky, Anzor, the dad of the neighborhood kid, like that dude's name is Carl Rodin. That dude, that dude stole the show in that movie for me, man. He was, he was crazy. I love his John Wayne obsession. And he's got like the tattoo on American shit. Elizabeth Mitchell, that whole scene with her. Yeah. Uh, my God, like that, that, I didn't know that was coming and it scarred the shit out of me for a while. Just that whole, that whole thing. Oh my God. First time I saw Vera Farmiga. That was the first time? It was like her first scene, like, uh, Paul Walker comes in and just like takes her pants down. I'm like, holy fuck, dude. I was like, so that's how you do it, huh? There is something crazy satisfying about the end of that scene though with, with Elizabeth Mitchell and that douchebag husband that you're just like, I don't want to spoil anything. I know it's a 2006 movie, but it's just like, you're just like, fuck it, dude. Couple other movies that we've done that have, obviously we just did Mystery Alaska, not really needed to talk about that much, but that was great to revisit that. I think that's on your list of, of amazing hockey movies. I think it has to be on there. Uh, Just Friends has a little bit of hockey talking there. We've got, uh, he's, he's a hockey player walking out of the ring with his, uh, obviously when he's playing with the kids, I'm a good skater. Hey, I'm a good skater kid. Airborne's got some roller hockey, Wayne's world's got some street hockey, happy Gilmore, of course, one of the maybe more famous, uh, like intro hockey tryout scenes of all time. And you can't forget the classic cutting edge, man. You got your hockey player turn figure skater. Those are classic, classic things for hockey. I was wondering if it was going to get brought up. Was that, um, was that a, uh, sorry, I've never seen cutting edge was like, I don't think you guys had ever seen it. Yeah, it was. Yeah. It's pretty deez. You can't forget Airborne too. We talked about it recently. Yeah. Hockey scenes in it. Chocolate stain, blame, dude. That's right. Chocolate stain, blame. What I think of like non-conventional, non-like hockey movies or shows, I'd always think of, uh, how good of a skater Steve Carell is in, uh, some episodes of the office. Dude, he, he is like a great joke that he's like a really good skater, but he really is. He's, yeah, Steve Carell is actually an amazing skater. He played a lot of hockey. I think he, uh, don't quote me on this. I think he actually played some like minor league hockey actually and him skating around when like, when, when, uh, it's Kevin's trying to find out if his, if his cancer is benign or not. And like, he's just making it about his birthday and he's skating around in full hockey, garb and regalia around this open ice skate time is fucking brilliant. Um, and then he even brings it back around for like, uh, all, all of his, um, uh, threat level midnight movie making. He has to incorporate hockey and just, my favorite quote is like, yeah, I, uh, I love, I've played hockey for a long time. He's like, I love playing hockey. I almost went pro, but I decided not to because it's like, you know, you're on the road constantly. No, no time for your wife and kids. And I really want to wipe a wife and kids. So well, tell us some of your favorite hockey movies. Let us know what you like. Let us know your favorite teams. Let's know who you're rooting for. Also, if you're in the Patreon, look for this, uh, we got a little vote coming up. You got to help us pick a hockey movie to do coming up here in, uh, I believe it'll be June is when we'll actually do that one. Uh, or if you're having joined up, go to patreon.com slash confused breakfast support the show. Uh, and that's where we can still give you some cool perks and you're also helping us out and keeping the show going. So we would love to see you there. Yeah. Absolutely. Sean, would you like to say the two words that you want to say right now really bad? Go fly. Go have lunch, baby. Taking it this year. Sorry. Okay. Bye. 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