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He's got a face. Yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of The Waveform Podcast. We're a host I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew and I'm David. This week we well it's still techtober so we still have a lot going on. We tested the YouTube collab feature in more than one way. We also have possibly a phone of the year in the house or at least a really interesting one. Also new M5 chip and some new devices that it is in from Apple. Goodbye to Windows 10 and exploding phone. A lot of places we could go to start this podcast. But first the way I think we will go. Did you guys see Becca's video after of like her first year as a creator? Friend of the channel. Yeah she's been on the pod. She's been on the pod and her episode was great but I just wanted to toss it out there because like I think our audience one loves Tech YouTube and two a lot of them are probably like interested in making Tech YouTube content and she just like did this really well thought out video of her first year as a full time creator and how much money she's made and how she's made it and what's it been like creating in that scenario after. And she teased her merch which I want so good. Yeah me too. I can see that. Yeah the merch is really good I've seen it. I'm sure it will be fantastic. Nice. But I just think it's a must watch video and everyone most of our audience I think would thoroughly enjoy if you're not following her already. You should even if you don't go watch that video. Yeah I think I have such a good segue. Okay in that video she talks about like her arc of her first year of being an independent creator where she was she monetized her channel with the ads that are built into YouTube and then she also proceeded to start doing brand deals and how she goes through that process and that I talked about that exact arc in the Adam and Sarah interview where creators on all platforms kind of go through a similar arc. You start with the built in monetization tools on the platform and then as you expand and as you grow you can start to have an audience big enough to maybe do your own ads and reach your audience independently with for an individual company. So the Adam and Sarah interview is the next thing that we can mention at least because we were talking about YouTube collab feature. Yeah YouTube collabs are a thing now you can collaborate actually between multiple creators I think on one channel but we've tested it for a couple. Was it Mr. B's first one with like 100 creators? Mark Grober and only. I thought it was Mark Grober over but he started adding to it I thought. I could very well be wrong about that but yes you can definitely go up to four at least. Yeah I mean you've seen this in the past like on Instagram you can have more than one person have the same post in their feed and they'll all be quote responsible for the same post. Yeah it works a similar way on YouTube but we found out and actually I've done this with a couple older videos and now a couple newer videos just to learn how this works. We found out exactly how it works. If I have already uploaded a video and I add another creator as a collaborator that creators audience will see that video in their recommended and they get to see that creator you can share like analytics with them and they can see like how the video is doing and things like that. So I've had a couple older videos like the collab we did with the Dyson headphones with Dr. Mike where he comes in and explains why they're a terrible idea like I added him as a collaborator on that his audience can potentially now start to see that video in their recommended as if it was uploaded by his channel but also if it's a new enough video it shows up in the sub box too so it doesn't show up on your channel if you're a collaborator but it shows up in the sub box for your audience if you accept as a collaborator. So we did this with the newest waveform episode interviewing Adam Asary because I've interviewed tech executives before and this was it felt like a great opportunity to try that collab feature and we did this with a studio video which was our like 45 minute epic how we make high quality videos walking through the process from beginning to end and the whole post production this is post production yeah because it's the second version of one yeah um and got a lot more feedback on the podcast version because I think the podcast audience or our channel audience on a brand new video didn't expect a podcast as much as the studio video seemed to fit in got a lot more feedback on the podcast so hearing that loud and clear but for sure I think one of the things was so we at first didn't realize it goes into the subscription feed yeah I personally didn't know that many people still use the subscription feed I very rarely use it on my tv but I think I guess just my algorithm is pretty dialed into what I like to watch so I usually just am on the homepage um I do think podcast got a little more flak because we went studio channel podcast and it was the second one that showed up in people's feeds that wasn't from MKBHC so people were much more adamant about telling us like I don't want to see this garbage um each of those uploads were uploaded to the other channel and then MKBHD channel was added as a collaborator instead of vice versa so it was showing up on MKBHD subscribers subscription boxes when they were not subscribed to those those channels which there's a valid argument I think for both sides like if I'm a creator and I think that the content I'm making on this other channel is different enough to warrant a different channel for a different audience with different subscribers then okay yeah it makes sense that people don't want both of those things on one feed but also if it's a good enough overlap you know you can see sometimes that cross collaboration feels a little more natural so yeah work sometimes I thought my my thoughts on it were I thought the Missouri interview was very similar to like talking tech stuff that has been on main channel before and it's a bonus it's not just a regular episode so that's why we thought it would be fun the studio one was like pretty much how the team here at its main channel videos so it felt like a good um connection between them yeah I think people might think we were going to do this with every single post which was never the plan but yeah we also now definitely are we'll never do that yeah um I saw a lot of people saying like I know the waveforming I know the podcast exists and I just don't want to listen to podcast but like you have 20 million subs on the main channel doing that collab difference between a 500 sub channel 500 000 sub channel and a 20 million like there are plenty of your audience that don't know we exist yeah so every once in a while like getting that is beneficial as like what it makes sense yeah when it makes sense so yeah personally I was just confused because Marquez could have easily uploaded this on his channel and tagged waveform as the collab and I don't think we would have gotten the blowback yeah I think if we so if I had done this like when I typically had done all those um executive tech company person interviews in the past it wouldn't have like the waveform bumper and then it wouldn't be in the podcast set so I think when people saw that they were like more heightened alert to the fact that it was a podcast versus if I had just jumped in and it was 30 minutes instead of 45 and it just felt like another one of those videos it might have felt different the thumbnail is also in the waveform style so I think they're just more aware of it in certain cases yeah but I do agree like that's that I coming out of that interview I felt like oh this is something that feels in the style of the other uh tech executive interviews which made it a good opportunity for a collab it's also funny because all the comments on this will probably be like I saw no issue because none of the waveform listeners are going to listen to this episode and hear us complain about it and it doesn't really matter but well here's your PSA go go listen to it go check it out yeah it's pretty good I think I thought it was pretty good yeah but yeah we that's that's more about the yeah we have to check out this phone you haven't seen this phone yet right I have not actually seen it yet have you seen the video about it yes okay so this is the Xiaomi 17 Pro Max yeah god I want it yeah so the thing about this phone yeah there's a Gameboy case for it I don't have it with me it's uh we have one for the pro so it's too small actually put on the on the phone oh really so I this is the pro max phone we have the case for the pro got it either way me when I see this phone so this phone I mean Xiaomi has been doing their uh Hyper OS what is it called Hyper OS yeah for a while where it has lots of cues and things that remind you of iOS right yeah and that's fine they've done it for years some people like it some people don't but this year more than ever yeah more obviously than ever they just connected it directly to the latest iPhones they changed the name of the phone yeah it's this it's the 17 pro 17 pro max yeah uh and they have the same shape as the iPhone they have the same similar shape of the camera bump as the iPhone there are a whole bunch of things so like line it up with the iPhone so the Parisian writes itself yeah but the phone itself is really really good and a lot of things about it that the iPhone doesn't do are some of my favorite things about it like the screen on the back the cameras the the actual images I came out of this I'm curious I'm gonna tell you right now what you think of it like holding it it's lighter than the 17 pro max it's so it's concerningly light yes lighter than the iPhone it's got a 7500 milliamp hour silicon carbon battery inside with 100 watt charging 50 watt wireless charging literally the same size yeah 22 and a half watt reverse wireless charging so it'll basically be a battery bank to your iPhone and fill it from zero to 100 it's kind of sick 7500 watts yeah so 500 million power it's also triple 50 mega pixel yeah that would be bad triple 50 megapixel cameras uh which is triple yeah the bottom one is the ultra wide it's it kind of doesn't look like triple but that's the ultra wide that does not look like a camera yeah what happens when you're holding it like this you can show up in the photo yeah you can kind of cover the ultra wide a little bit if you're not careful what I will say though is the main camera is pretty wide so the ultra wide doesn't feel that much wider it's like a 23 millimeter equivalent sharpening is a little much and it's very processed yeah the processing from the photos is pretty serious it get yeah but then it like flattens out and processes right it gets wait that's funny because iPhone photos generally the preview looks terrible yeah and you take it and it gets it gets you know a little bit better yeah this one everything looks super over sharp edge then you take the photo and then it smooths out yeah so the photo I think looked pretty good the photos are good yeah so the cameras are good the battery is good the screen is good the design is good and then there's a screen on the back which has been evolving the exact same way that flipping phones have which we had we had the like tiny poster stamp one which is just like the time and then it got a little bigger and then you could like take selfies with it now it's a whole full width thing with the camera cutouts and you can play games on it if you're really into that but the phone itself like for being cheaper than the iPhone is it is a really compelling yeah what is the price so it's in China only this model is roughly an $850 equivalent for the 17 pro max so that's like noticeably cheaper than the iPhone they have a lot more they have more storage it has 16 gigs of ram this one has a terabyte of storage so it's definitely more than the base yeah but it is it is a seriously well equipped device it does feel kind of just like an iPhone with the extra bezels so the what's funny is that the a lot of people were speculating because there was this leaked it was not a leaked video it was a render that came out that showed this what is that they call this the plateau on the iPhone yeah they showed it like flipping sideways and it was just it was a crappy render oh yeah but it like flipped sideways and there's a screen underneath and that's literally what this is yeah it doesn't flip but there is a screen there the whole screen on the back that's crazy and it's like a full interface that you can do things with it's I think this is exactly how Apple would do it so what you're doing now you're like holding holding it down and like swiping between watch faces I keep thinking there are watch faces but they're not a watch it's just clocked clock faces yeah and then there's a whole personalization on the phone so you can change the colors and like mess with different sizes of fonts and things like that one is no the one to the left uh literally the new Apple watch literally the new Apple watch like the font from when we did extremely similar in the thumbnail yeah yeah so this is this is a really good phone it's also one of the first phones with the snapdragon eight elite gen five uh ridiculously quick why did they put 120 hertz on the back that's so funny the back display is 120 hertz 3,500 nits like full full high quality high resolution three inch corner corner like I get why it's OLED to use what less power since you're gonna use that as an ambient clock but the fact that it's 120 hertz just feels over kill it's beautiful I love it I mean yes it's great it's I've taken more selfies on this phone than I have in like the last year of other phones I think and the software it looks like it's trying to copy Apple but it does it do us uh yeah a lot of a lot of the stock apps feel like Apple apps like the the settings app the camera app a lot of the stuff like the weather app the calendar they look like the notes app they all look like Apple clones and that's fine for some people they they're just as functional yeah if you have a Xiaomi account you log in everything sinks but I have a question yeah the dynamic island it seems to have the same like kind of animation when you get a notification and stuff yep does it have the same persistent animation when you're like playing a song like on Spotify or something yeah google like added that yeah that's that got added to a lot I got added to like Android in general yeah so when you're charging it just stays there and when you're playing media it stays there if you open the music app you can play it might not be out yeah pixel doesn't have it but if you open on Samsung phone if you if you have music playing yeah I mean the same but Samsung also has it like towards the bottom right like the the now bar but it also has at the top like a literal dynamic island clone this one is even more of a clone okay speaking of Apple clones have you guys seen this magic os 10 video on threads it's so good magic os 10 you haven't seen it yet okay look no just watch this on my screen okay yeah so it's literally just so guys transparent icons everything about it literally everything about it you can change the transparency though it seems guys like a slider yeah so it turns into liquid and then glass and then there's diffraction and there's all the settings panels and then the app is guys that's not even it's the same icon the time like warps yeah everything about it even the serial animation at the bottom the well it's okay magic os 10 it's honors new UI so you're looking at like a clone of liquid glass it looks almost exactly the same it's a teaser of wow of their new operating system and it looks exactly like liquid glass yeah and when I was first watching this I was like okay everyone's going to go the glass thing this seems pretty blatant but there's one specific shot in that where I was like I've seen that shot before the icon so what I did was I ripped the uh that teaser and part of the announcement for liquid glass from Apple and I put them back to back so I'm gonna show both of you guys what's happening in these is there's an app icon with a bunch of different colors and they look like pieces of glass falling onto an app icon yeah so this is icon you'll be able to tell which it is because they figure it goes into the um the apps next to it but these are almost identical so this is the this is the magic os this is the magic os one yeah and then this is the apple oh oh my gosh we could play this in the video but I'm saying literally almost it's essentially two app icons that have a bunch of colors kind of creating almost like a pedal yeah that look exactly the same yeah and the um the colored glass falls down and swirls around into it it is yeah the animations exactly the same the the airdrop animation is exactly the same yeah it's you know it's funny when you point this out like when I point this out in the Xiaomi video for example there's there's like two different camps of thought one of them is like you know they've been doing this forever this isn't copying Apple like there's actually people who are defending the originality of what is going on here and then there's other people who are like why bother ripping it off like I'm never gonna buy the ripoff you're just ripping off the thing that I already like so this just feels like a second rate version so why would this ever work you know what I think it is Apple has the kind of money to and Google as well but they have the kind of money to do all of the like market research and user experience testing to like figure things out in a way that these other companies don't even want to bother it's interesting I mean I think some of it comes down to like market dominance in certain ways like we made the switching video about how like it appears that they copy each other a lot of ways just to make potential customers more comfortable so even if your Xiaomi you have billions of dollars Xiaomi is an enormous company they make washing machines and cars like they have the money to do the testing but they also know that if they're going to steal customers have to feel familiar they have to feel at least approachable and familiar to the people who use it yeah so that ends up looking like what we're seeing my favorite tech book of the year Apple in China yeah talks a lot about this and specifically about how I don't know if it's still the case in 2025 but for a long time the iPhone really was this like giant status symbol in China and even though it only makes up less than 25 percent of smartphone market share in China I think it is sort of hailed as like a flagship market leader and it is the thing to capture and then also the thing that I think sheds a lot of light on like a lot of Chinese phones looking like the iPhone is so much of Apple's iPhone development happens in China now at China either like in Chinese factories where they're developing the techniques to build it or in Apple's like offices in China and so it's not like they don't have access now to the same infrastructure and tools to make such similar phones well hey speaking of Apple Apple actually did drop a new thing several new things this week as we sort of expected there was rumors leading up to it but they did it m5 we have an m5 chip and three new devices that it will be shipping in right from the get-go can we pause and thank apple for releasing these first thing in the morning on wednesday oh appreciate that because of our entire pocket I'm not saying they did this for us but I'm not not saying that either I just the chance of this releasing at 2 p.m. today or tomorrow was so high yeah all of us were like please if this comes out this week we want to talk about they dropped a 9 a.m. ET which is 6 a.m. PT and they love to do stuff at 10 a.m. PT they love to make our lives miserable yeah so thanks for not doing it we won't be late this week thank you Jaws we have the new stuff so they so there's three three devices the m5 will show up in the new ipad pro the new macbook pro and the new vision pro but only the 14 inch base macbook pro yeah so let's go through the one by one macbook pro as you mentioned macbook pro has before today m4 m4 pro m4 max this m5 is just the base m5 so it's replacing the m4 yeah there is still an m4 pro and an m4 max above also only in the 14 inch in the 14 inch exactly because i'm the 15 the 16 inch starts with the m4 pro now yeah yeah so it's already getting confusing yeah essentially anywhere where you would see just a base m4 chip that's where you're slotting in m5 except for the other than iMac and MacBook Air and the regular iPad and regular iPad here it sounds like a prescription medicine and you should probably ask your doctor before you buy an m5 pro there's a legitimate question like why didn't they just wait until they had everything ready and then drop it all at once i don't know if there's a good answer for that but yeah this is just 14 inch macbook pro base base m4 that's now base m5 what do you get out of that a little bit more gpu a little bit better on device AI processing marquez it ushers in the big it ushers in the biggest leap in AI performance for apple silicon ever they said that last year though it's true they have done most of their improvements between m4 and m5 in the gpu and neural engine that's what they said last year that's what they said for m4 i think when they say that you can also infer that the cpu improvements are not as big and not as much of a focus and that the stock price will go up but yeah that they for people who have on device AI processing workloads or tasks that they specifically want to do better then that jump between m4 and m5 will be the most noticeable for that person with for the baseline chip for the baseline chip the most for the least likely person to use this people that need the stuff that this is better at are gonna get the better ones yeah and they gonna get m5 pro why would they buy the baseline macbook pro it's great they're gonna buy the max or the ultra if it ever comes to just a little appetizer for the main course which is the vision pro i have pro which is the main course is the vision well apparently battery life gets a lot better too 24 hour battery life in the new 4th engine macbook pro m5 base all day base it's pretty good 24 is all day yeah it's all it's a literal once they hit 25 hours we can say more than all day this they just did this with the iphone too didn't they were or was it with the apple watch where they've been doing all day all day but then a couple of them are 24 hours and now it's like now i really have no idea what yeah specifically referencing 24 hours all day is probably from when you wake up to when you get to sleep yeah yeah now it's really all day does all day change in the winter time because the sun is up for less i mean it does get all day asterisk only in winter when i mean when it gets colder your phone battery is worse but that's fine because there's way less daylight so it's still all day exactly yeah unless you wake up later yeah now you wake up at the same time even if it's not light it's just darker anyway the sun yeah all day hashtag when the sun is out no yeah so macbook pro gets those minimal improvements ipad pro also gets the minimal improvements i think it also gets the c1x modem that's new for the ipad pro so a little more gpu a little more on device a processing why you're doing this on your ipad i don't know but you're that guy on the commercial who does it so congrats new m5 chip and then the vision pro vision pro got a couple things why so the vision pro had was it m2 before this now it's m5 so theoretically a bigger overall processing and gpu improvement so it actually has a couple other things that they mentioned specifically should be better it's rendering more pixels at once so the flow vated rendering it's like 10 more pixels are sharper which is i mean that's pretty nice it should be a higher refresh rate should be just overall yeah crisper and it said 120 hertz right up to 120 hertz refresh rate looking at your surroundings it's good so that's nice yeah um and then slightly better battery life and there's a new dual knit band yes it goes around so the knit band before just went around the back of your head this dual knit band has a knit band around the back and then a knit band around the top yeah and then you can adjust both so for context they released the standard knit band that goes around the back and then people said oh this really hurts my head so then they released the top band and the top band is an additional attachment it's because the weight distribution was all messed up yeah so the back knit band was the aesthetic one for the commercials yeah but when you wear it it's like it's like pulling it up against your face and all the weight is hanging against the brow the bridge of your nose and so people it looked really cool but it was like uncomfortable to wear the ugly one that has a strap over the top of your head would lift that weight off of your brow yeah sorry yeah lifted the weight off of your brow so it wasn't as pretty for the commercials but it was more comfortable to wear for a longer period of time because the weight distribution and now they've released the dual knit band which looks like the first original cool looking one but with a band over the top the irony is that it is $99 and they are still selling the other two so now all three of the bands are $99 and there's only one you should buy yep yeah i'm sorry but two knits is just not bright enough i really think hey if i'm in bed at night that's a pun guys i know it's a it's a it's a pretty funny it's a good pun that was a good one yeah this is getting good i thought it's getting good wow i know this pocket for three years i have three years of band now that's his first good joke he's on the he's on the right track i did google drive that's what you think yeah so you can buy the new you can buy the new knit band for your old vision pro you're old have you guys used vision pro in a while i used it to check a 360 video for a friend who was doing it for a client i want to use it for the nba games this season oh yeah i did see that there's gonna be a couple of them on that that's denounced that i'm gonna try to just announce the first live sports coming to vision pro wait the first well this came out weren't they like touting this promise but it was live yeah but it's live where are you bid man this is how it all goes it is i mean this is i can't wait to see this in the 20 or 27 season forgive me if i'm wrong but isn't this exactly what you said like you would buy this for yeah i want to be able to sit court side at the lakers game but not be there but still but still look around and appreciate and maybe even switch cameras maybe there's one on the baseline and they had a shack on the other side i switched to half court and stuff like that how much are courtside tickets usually in la i don't know if you could buy them a vision pro every time every time i was just wondering about a vision pro time that's the funny thing about basketball is how popular some of the players are it seems like yeah i remember i still don't know if this is a rumor but when the nets were still in newark there was a potentially a promotion where if you got nets tickets you could get a reversible jersey that had the nets team wow that might be fake but that's how i've never heard that unpopular the nets were in new jersey i was a nets fan for years i mean they were a good team they were a playoff team they went to the finals they went to the finals in like 2000 right that's a good team is shacks on the lakers because i feel like if you're watching that's still on the lakers is he did you say yes i feel like if you're watching guys don't ruin this yeah he's totally if you're watching in vision pro yeah you would have to look really high up to see him that'd be cool that's true that's he's actually live towering over you he plays the game and in intermission does the general commercials yeah i know he's not on the team anymore i was making that that was making jokes but i did see him in staples a couple days ago he's still the staples center because he plays for the last couple of slakers he no a crypto we don't call it that he is still he is still there are still big cardboard cutouts of shack at staples with a printer for some reason wow he's really letting it loose those worlds he's must be must be good man he's running out of shack food money printer companies are like we could make this work on wi-fi or get a shack cut out of every staples buy a failed ai pin company yes true hp does make printers don't they yeah yeah what do you think the p stands for well hp my first computer ever was an hp mine too yeah i started this channel with a hp pavilion dv7 t at a del it was thick mine was a sony vio vio vio vio and i did not start a youtube channel with it i still i have a place in my heart for h for hp i was about to htc that's another place in my heart hp c hp for for those old sony for those old sony you guys are putting all these old nostalgic names in my head for these old hp pavilion laptops i still like them but yeah they did make printers and they definitely aren't good do they do still make them and they're still now they own humane wow full circle how did we get here from vision pro yeah oh because you brought up shack and staples vision pro yeah sorry sorry sorry anyway yes i would love to watch in the new vision pro and even higher fidelity court side live nba game and league pass i would do it this year yeah yeah i'm gonna i'm dust off my vision pro and i'm gonna watch i'm not even upgrade i'm gonna use my old rusty old vision strength and watch those games do you think that have one in the studio yeah we do we have one here too i'm borrowing that one do you think that people will actually buy vision pro for this no but that's the thing is like there is not that much content for vision pro but apple has been continuing this slow drip of content right of potential reasons to it's not a reason to buy vision pro but it's a reason to keep using vision pro yeah and so it has an actual use yeah so you first if you first got vision pro when it first came out and all the content was available at once and then you had nothing new for a year yeah you just wouldn't use it very much i think so if they continue to slowly drip new content new shows and new experiences then it keeps it feeling fresh like if live sports could keep the cable boxes going it might work with vision pro problem is how never mind you would all local sports is keeping brutal yeah also the boomers are not going to be using vision pro and they're all the ones with cable right or do you guys have cable but you have you like kind of need cable for a lot of local sports and it's you can just use youtube tv or whatever the devils game so youtube tv still does the local blackouts what if i mean so if you if you watch oh you don't know about local region sports blackouts must be nice oh god so if you're a fan of you let's say you watch basketball there's a bunch of teams you can watch okay in your local so you get youtube tv right you're watching the dalis versus la game it pulls up you watch the game great okay but in your own region you're a little more likely to be a fan of your own team so let's say you want to watch the new york teams games the nicks there's a special deal with the nicks and the new york team where their broadcasts are only shown by this local tv network so if you pull it up on youtube tv it's just blacked out oh you're in new york can't watch around youtube what you need cable to watch msg network to watch the nicks game well used to be a country so it's like yes you can mostly watch nba games with youtube tv but he's a vpn it's so confused i've gone through the ringer of trying to do all of this msg is specifically annoying in the new york area because it's the nicks the rangers the islanders and the devils so if you're a fan of any of those teams in this hockey specifically like you think it's very hard to watch you need and then xfinity can't make a deal with msg so even if you bought xfinity cable you'll get charged the fee every month for local sports networks but you don't have four of the local teams it's insane wow don't worry guys warner bros discovery paramount is gonna make this a lot easier if vision pro could solve all this i would buy another vision pro i'm looking for like another source for confirmation but it seems like you need to live in the los angeles area to get the lakers games on vision pro they're not what they're not making it available to you have to be an existing spectrum sports net customer which is all right that's all right i'm out to you i have many of her studio i'm out i'm looking for confirmation because i also don't pay for cable i might i watch my team when they don't play in new york city on youtube tv yeah this philadelphia 76ers the greatest basketball team ever assembled so they're taking this the small subset of vision pro users and then subsetting that even more into people who live in la and then subsetting that more into people that are into basketball into people who are subscribers of that niche tv league pass it's not it's not i don't think it's that niche i think it's the main it's the channel you have to get to watch any los andles sports they have like the local yes yeah yeah thank you well i prefer to watch it in 67 tiktok reels so and that's how i watch the game yeah just like i watch movies you can live in southern nevada or hawaii okay hey southern nevada or you can just be there i'm there fly to vegas okay well we're uh not a tech podcast anymore but we'll return to being one after we do the thing that is also not tech but the questions are about tech sometimes yeah today it might be about hermit crabs or something today i don't know do you want a question about hermit crabs no what else no hermit crab question i could do the i don't know anything about i could do the mantis shrimp ones i know a lot about those guys i don't have time to find a hermit crab question so it said we got to do a question about the hermit crabs of the tech world microsoft windows huh i don't really know i was gonna hope in the analogy king over there would see me through on that one anyway they put a big shell over it's a shell of windows shell windows shell oh power power shell they're also a shell of what they once were all right well anyway when we were about to talk about that's steve left steve balmer there you go developers kawaii i'm sweating okay guys after the break we are going to talk about windows 10's end of life celebration or um yeah i feel like we could look at celebration on fondly on that one yeah i love windows 10 but when windows 11 came out we lost two legendary pieces of software that had been bundled with windows previously oh no what were they you're gonna get one point per piece of software and one of them has a pretty big asterisk that i'm gonna have to say before i get chewed out by the gamers i just send to gamers because it does nothing to do with video games is this legendary in the same way that the cyber truck is iconic where like yeah it is legendary but people didn't necessarily love it yeah i think it's fair to say that both of these pieces of software people did not necessarily love okay all right well we'll think about this one answers we at the end like usual we'll be right back support for the show comes from framer a website should help your 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potentially exciting for us in the future except it's not at least for now and probably not in the future but there's a chance so netflix early next year is bringing 16 video podcasts from Spotify to netflix they this is yeah yeah it's been rumored for a while there is a there is this point there's the there's this venn diagram right where video podcast talk show it's just a circle so we're just a talk show right which is what a podcast is when you have video for it right so netflix is realizing the popularity of these things they're getting a lunch eaten by youtube and they're like oh well we gotta you know we gotta develop original content that takes a lot of money and a lot of time so instead of original content we'll just make love island number 8 000 in the uk with dinosaurs works every time you know so now they're like okay it's gonna be a lot easier if we can just do the easy content like what we make it sounds like here's how i'm reading this because on the other side of the fence on the youtube side of the fence every time youtube talks to us about the growth of youtube and how youtube is evolving one of the things that always comes up is tv watch time yeah and how much more content is being watched on tv use them so they're doing all the special features for tv use and having channel banners designed for tv stuff like that and even this podcast is viewed i think by 20 percent tv viewers which is pretty high i think that could be a she channels closer to 10 so long content longer videos people are watching on tv's and so youtube is sort of positioning themselves as like bursting into the tv watch space so if i'm netflix i'm like that's our zone yo that's that's us like what are people oh oh it's podcasts all right let's get some podcasts on here and they're just gonna try it and i don't know it'll probably go okay and they'll see if it works and maybe add some more if it works or stop doing it if it doesn't work but it's kind of how it looks to me it's ironic because it's spotify video podcast which already have a video element on spotify yeah which is weird by the way i got sent a podcast on spotify which i did not like because i don't like mixing my podcasts and my music i don't like that the algorithm does not know the difference for me and i was kind of taken aback to see that it started playing a video in spot in spotify and apparently they have that now they keep begging us to do it yeah you've never seen people beg us to do it okay i've never watched one got it but i started watching i was like oh yeah this is fine i guess but it's a partnership between spotify and netflix so these are spotify exclusive video podcasts that are being put on netflix i guess not spotify exclusive anymore but part of the contract says that they can't run the full episode on youtube specifically which is similar to like the when spotify first got joe rogan you can only do clips on youtube yeah couldn't do it so like this just feels like another reason to prove why we're still not putting stuff on spotify because just the stuff i mean they didn't offer us this deal it was only 16 it's only 16 and i believe all i'm double checking this now i believe all 16 are owned by spotify yeah spotify studios yeah spotify studios so this is just their content acquisition plant like they couldn't go to youtube and steal podcasts from there and put it on netflix so this is the thing that they found that they could acquire to see if it works to be fair they could go on youtube and steal podcasts and then train their ai models on it they just couldn't you know make ai podcasts what do you think this benefits more netflix or spotify i don't i think netflix it's a bit of it's either it's tvd for netflix because we don't know if netflix users will respond positively or negatively to it i guess i think that spotify is already set up to develop podcasts they've been investing in making original podcasts for a very long time so it's easy for them to sort of throw these things together netflix makes a lot of original content but it's all tv yeah they don't have the infrastructure as much to just like develop original podcasts but for spotify netflix is the infrastructure of being able to play a podcast on your tv because spotify doesn't have a way of doing that spotify doesn't want to put it on youtube because that's a competitor for video stuff so this is just like this is just them more distribution for them yeah this feels like when mixer was like let's get shroud and ninja over here and like just get these huge podcasts and you'll definitely want to come over and watch it and then nobody watched any of it yeah just made a bag so sounds like 16 video podcasts are making a bag fan like netflix is realizing that they started you know with all the videos that they were making and then they started making original content and that was like their big sellers that they had all these good shows and then slowly all these other streaming platforms popped up and a lot of these other streaming paupers were owned by the tv networks and the cable networks and so they had sort of existing content that was more like tv content that was not as high quality so netflix was like oh well we're getting our lunch eating by that they made lower quality content or at least i don't want to say quality but at least i say easier to produce lower production costs because people yeah people don't always want to be like only watching tv shows sometimes they want to be using lower cognitive load you know background noise are you saying love island is lower cognitive load yes i am adam it's more like the cube and like the what is the what are those shows the the cut or something the cut guys we have done 317 episodes of us sitting at this table i don't know if we're the ones that talk about lower yeah well anyway i don't know youtube is the biggest streaming platform in the world so netflix is just realizing we have to have feature parity with the biggest streaming platform in the world yeah on youtube users generate the content on netflix oh god how do we get the content yeah i fear it is that reminds me real quick uh side note one of my friends was like oh i just got a new job and i said what is it and she's like oh i'm making user generated content and i was like isn't that just you're a user content you're just making content as a user isn't that i'm making videos for the company it was like so why why did they call it user generated content isn't that just you're a content producer for the company isn't that the opposite user generated content yeah that's i would assume the company wants the users to think it's user generated content like this person is like this person is well don't they all do that yeah you're not seeing the weird like on threads or if you're not seeing the most recent samsung campaign that's a bunch of fake podcast clips that's just one guy being like i just switched from iphone to samsung and it's so much easier than i ever would have thought the other podcast guests is like generated content well it's not always posing as user generated that it's not a real pot like it's like a vertical podcast clip yeah ls you just set me up for the greatest segue ever because speaking of samsung thank you they were about to uh they have a new event coming up next week the october 21st they're going to detail more information about the project muhan android xr headset we made a bit about this in january it is now mid to late october yeah what is this more information just a state i guess i suppose price release date um google i'm sure is very excited about this but it does seem like interesting timing because apple has just announced the m5 vision pro and so now they're going to release their android xr headset probably running some snapdragon something no it's going to have to m5 yeah if you if you want to refresh around all the things that this headset will do just look back at our video in january yeah we did a demo of like all these gemini features and all these android features it's like having an android tablet on your face and all these gestures and then the i controls and hand controls uh it'll be interesting to see how they compare again it's like comparing an android phone to an iphone is one thing but comparing an android headset to an a vision pro almost doesn't make sense like i don't know if anyone's cross shopping those things well and it's ironic because if if apple can't even figure out anything for you to do with their version of the headset then how is samsung gonna like everyone's making the glasses now even apple is like the rumor right now is that they they put a pause on the low-cost vision pro to switch over to making glasses so now that samsung is like uber late to dropping this headset it feels like they're just that's my main very late to it that's my main question looking at this is like vision pro has been in the super zoomed out grand scheme of things kind of a flop yeah like sales wise it's not super successful as far as like users like there's not that many people using it every day it's just kind of a flop so it's a flop yeah so samsung is coming along finally dropping their competitor to it it's like why is that are we just just to have a parody with apple's ecosystem or do you really really believe the headset is a future it reminds me of the just all the different hype cycles we've gone through like the metaverse and like all of these different hype cycles where companies will think okay we got to invest in this because this is what everyone is saying the future is yeah and so they dump a ton of money and research and development into it but just like the nintendo switch seems like the switch to nintendo switch to seems like it was made for the covid era because the whole thing is about the camera and like putting your friends faces and social stuff it seems like this was developed when everyone thought okay vision pro might be the future of computing and now everyone's like oh it's actually the glasses kind of does feel like no one wants to miss out on the next ship setting sale exactly it's better throw some money at it yeah it's better to have a flop than it is to miss the miss the wave yeah just in case it unflops or something yeah yeah this vision this m5 vision pro is really gonna take off guys it's really now that they have 10 percent higher yeah pixel rendering pixel rendering it's definitely gonna take off speaking of 10 percent higher pixel rendering wow this has been an alley you oh this has been an iconic segue episode uh what about 10 what did you want to say about 10 uh farewell to our friend windows 10 uh i was gonna say cyan are but that's what you say when you don't care that something's going goodbye and really 10 was like part of the cycle of like good and bad and it was on the good cycle yeah i think because eight was eight was it we don't talk about yeah eight was windows eight they were like windows a everything's tiles next month windows 8.1 everything's windows 7 again we really screwed this one up we really didn't do that one right um but yeah microsoft is actually isn't they officially ended support for windows 10 this week 10 years after it's launched and i mean obviously all operating systems do this eventually 10 years is plenty of time windows 11 has been out for five years is that true it's been out for a little while if someone wants to find the exact date of that but um i think when i don't really have that much against windows 11 for years four years four years windows 11 isn't that bad but windows 10 was just better that's where it was at yeah it was where was that so um what i thought was funny about this is 40 of windows users today are still using 10 valve says 30 of all pc gamers are still using windows 10 um there's a report one of the big things about this that i think is really interesting is the switch to windows 11 requires a lot of hardware requirements so presumably a lot of businesses and enterprise companies using windows 10 right now probably can't even upgrade to windows 11 and in the enterprise world like people stay on old versions of operating systems for a long time for many reasons sometimes it's software sometimes it's just they bought a batch of computers and they want to run them till they die i i work that i don't want to break any compatibility with yeah like government they just run the same stuff forever yeah i worked at a company in like 2015 and we were still using windows xp on like 20 of the computers we had in the office yeah i feel like xp was pretty famous for that like there are so many old and enterprise that just runs xp and it's bulletproof and it's just never gonna break and it was the greatest operating system yeah ever made i was pretty i skin my xp i told you guys this i skin my xp to look like vista because vista looked good but at least at the time yeah yeah it looks kind of cool didn't age very well like liquid glass of 2000 whatever it was it kind of looked cool but i still had i did not have the required gpu and ram to upgrade to vista so i got a skin that i might have done a video about this that made it i definitely did a video about this made xp look like vista and it was not a good idea remember it took a ton of system resources but it looked like vista remember when microsoft launched vista and they had the big party and they had like the the casket with like a rip to apple it was like apple's funeral and it was yeah and it was when they launched i miss that vista jesus it was like oh don't you guys know about the cycle you play those cards wrong yeah the cycle wasn't established at that yeah it was still early it's still early yeah yeah that kind of was this was at the start of the cycle it felt like yeah the big one because windows 2000 was solid and 2000 was right before so xp was the was goaded and then it went bad with seven no seven was good sorry bad with vista good with seven bad with eight yeah that's true yeah that's kind of the beginning good with eight point one wow that's it well yeah uh so they will be offering uh it's weird they like closed it but they're going to be offering it's this is very confusing another year of security support for a payment for some people um also not only enterprises usually it was only enterprises that could do this but it seems like they're offering it to some users and it's kind of confusing you can get a year of extended support for 61 europe fought this and it has to be for free i believe also in the us you have to um download something called windows backup and you do not have to in europe and then there's you know you're i'm pretty sure you can um do it for three years with like compounding payments on top of it if you want to continue to use which a lot of these enterprises are probably gonna have to do because that's still cheaper than upgrading computers um but what i've found the most interesting is i looked at the market share chalula we are going to talk about percentages um i was just looking at a couple of like who what versions of windows are still being used apparently nine percent of windows desktop users are still on windows seven point three percent are still on windows xp there you go point three sounds really small but that is still thousands of people what i want to know is half a percent of people are on windows eight is it are you guys okay i don't think who is still on windows eight yeah half a percent your your computer can't run windows 10 why'd you go to windows eight what if you had a computer a windows a computer like a surface for i worked at a recording studio that we could not upgrade to windows 10 specifically because the motherboard we had a we had a beefcake pc totally specced out but the motherboard wasn't compatible with windows 10 i'm interested in how many i mean i know this is something but windows 10 released in 2015 so presumably the computer has to be at least 10 years old and running windows eight i'm it would have to be a beef of a computer in 2015 at like the latest to still be running i'm sure i'm sure it's out there but i remember the conversation at this recording studio where it was like we have a ten thousand dollar computer that that is totally fine that is now unsupported specifically because the random motherboard manufacturer we went with i don't remember who made it but i have to assume some of these are also like the computer that runs the security camera system yeah i worked at a hospital years ago that was using xp's because everything they're like it's not even that the hardware isn't compatible is that the data is so sensitive that they don't want to do anything to lose it so you can't like mess with it in any way unless you want to invest heavily in transferring it and backing it up and doing that also very funny that the data is so sensitive they're using something that hasn't had a security update and you'd be surprised how sensitive data is just sitting on an old that's probably also like locally or something sometimes it's that or it's like this piece of hardware this x-ray machine or this robot yeah only works with this software on this os my house a lot of flex tight scanner i had to buy a 2000 and 2007 mac pro to run it because it only runs up to high seara yeah so it's air gaps i will never connect it to the internet i was going to mention this and i guess i might as well my my home computer is a 2017 intel iMac pro and i want to go update it to tahoe this past weekend and it's not supported and i'm like i guess i have to buy a new computer i mean i don't have to i could keep using you really want tahoe on it yeah but uh yeah i'm experiencing the same thing at home with my aka your old 2017 intel mac pro and uh it's funny i was up very late last night compiling binaries for intel architecture trying to get various add-on and stuff to work and it's over yeah the dream is dead i might have to go pop in an apple store i'm glad i quit that company now that we've said this i want to hear all the extremely niche scenarios that some of our audience might be using an old my toothbrush unsupported computer my toothbrush runs on windows xp i update it sick toothbrush it's also 25 years old two tunes two tunes baby um but yeah i you know we say goodbye to windows 10 but in 10 years when we're still talking about windows market share and there's a 0.5 of windows 10 users it's gonna happen we know you're out there i'll be one of them funny enough windows also said posted a teaser tweet yesterday today yesterday which will it says your hands are about to get some pto waving emoji time to rest those fingers something big is coming thursday i emoji it's voice it's something it's gotta be something related yeah it's probably you can talk to your computer but what are the chances it's clippy no not zero never zero it's never that would be cool i feel like there's gotta be a reason they're not bringing clippy back is there like a weird copyright or like trademark thing that they lost or oh hates him no no but we hate him so much we want him back easy to make fun of literally but it's gotta it's endearing could instead of co-pilot they could have just done clippy and everyone would have loved it yeah it could have been awful and we would have been like yeah but it's clippy it's clippy give him a chance yeah he was bad originally too he's got a face it's just nostalgia he was always bad yeah yeah clippy was always pretty like if i got ai questions that were wrong with his clippy i'd be like ah you'll get him neft time pal exactly this is what i'm saying maybe that's the key anthropomorphizing your bad ai is the key to making it accepted by regular sort of yeah i mean the problem before was that it was cortana and then you're like oh dumb computer woman yeah what you can't do that's bad but clippy but now yeah it's just a friendly smiling face and it would pop up and it would be list seems like and he'd be like no get away you're wrong but she would gently move it away yeah because he didn't want to and now co-pilot is just this like amorphous ever yeah so you listening what elis i feel like you would know this answer was cortana a direct reference to yeah yeah it was same character yeah she was just annoying in the game so like i always i don't want i just want to go mess around on the map i don't want to listen to what i have to actually do right now now clippy how you've seen that no i haven't seen it actually i'm referencing a movie i haven't seen i was like i know that slow burn movie i would be very surprised that movie is so long it has an intermission yeah wow yeah it does how long is it how long is the movie with an intermission the intro is like eight minutes of just like gorillas dancing whoa and i definitely have not seen this movie i mean i love it's only two and a half hours yeah but it came out in it came out in 68 so two and a half hours back then was a long time yeah for every just every nineties movie was exactly 90 minutes fair enough anyway speaking of 10 we got one more 10 to talk about but that will be after the break oh that's kind of you marcus yeah it'll be a folding 10 oh i could fold but before that trivia should be a dude said i could fold yeah i thought you were i thought you were saying i was a 10 oh i get it so i got one more time to talk about i said thank you i totally missed that well earlier we spoke about shall we today what is the mascot for jamie i will accept one point for what it is and another point if you got its names which you won't get so the money shall me the money i've seen this i was just in china and there were show me cars everywhere and you know what it is you know what it is all right or is that the poko never mind well this the animal you're thinking of is a mascot for a lot of things but i don't know if it's show me we'll see 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the fault spot of the last couple folds which they haven't changed basically where the battery is where that part because it didn't crack at the hinge which is very impressive for the hinge i feel like but where to the engineers the engineers always there boom but where the antenna line was he thinks it was right around the edge of the battery to where the layers of what the battery are probably pinched together where at the side where all of them are and that caused a short yeah thermal runaway theory that's a good theory no matter what it's still crazy i don't even know that this this is obviously a one-off like most people aren't treating their phones like zack is so i don't know how much this matters for google pr i would obviously not great i'd guess it's more chance it doesn't seem like it's one of those things that it's like oh this is a fault in the phone it's gonna do this whole time yeah it's like google's gonna watch that video and be like oh wow one of our phones exploded let's see what happened and they're gonna get nine minutes into him like the battery and it's like yeah oh he he's he's trying to do this so yeah obviously no phone has ever done that in his test before but it did look pretty bad on camera and it did explode that's like you said i doubt this actually happens but also he's done it to how many phones at this point yeah like that was kind of weird there was a couple of the things from the video i thought were interesting though the um the kind of like hidden camera it's not really camera but the sensor next to the selfie sensor was kind of cool mostly just because it winds up being a sensor with no lens that he's assuming is for like proximity but when he kind of like pushed it with his knife you could see it bowing in like it has the the camera cut out um the hinge with the because he did dust resistance which was really extreme because this is the first dust resistant sand phone i think it was like gravel yeah it sounded real bad it usually does it was a lot but i think it's fair to say that if some gravel gets into the hinge the rest of the video it sounded crunchy which is the last thing you'd ever want with a folding phone yeah um and then the other thing i have is just uh did you see the microphone hole yeah it's kind of like the hole on the bottom is not the actual microphone it is a like cylindrical hole that goes in and then the microphones on the inside wall of that i guess potentially enough people were sticking the sim tray ejector tool into the microphone and damaging it so now the microphone is kind of off to the side it's clever off yeah we've all done it um my question to ellis and i don't know if you saw it is wouldn't that potentially mess up how sound is getting into the microphone maybe a little now that it's not just right at the end of the i'm assuming you didn't see it you should hear me i just i just power watched the video where it explodes but you're saying like because the mic is recessed into the case rather than being if like the case is flat and the microphone's right at the bottom of it now there is a indentation that's around the corner and it's inside of that so presumably sound goes into a cylinder now and goes into the side of the microphone i guess it's a phone call and no one really cares there's also like it's there's there's actually reasons that could make things better you know what i mean there's also probably like five mics on this phone right yeah i have no idea it typically yeah i think a lot of smartphones have like two three four mics and then they are combining and that's the one at the bottom of the phone so it's just usually for phone calls and it's hearing your voice let me let me raise you this one okay like one of the most iconic mics of all time the sm57 the sound goes in the top but if you speak from the back you can't hear it's like the cardioid pattern right the way they achieve that is there's actually holes on the side of the mic so that if you're pointing it at your face it goes in that the face hole side first and then the stuff from the back goes in you know a little bit later because sound has like a speed right and it goes in jets and jets enough later and bounces around all these sort of cavities that it hits it and actually like cancels out the sound coming from behind because of that temporal difference there's a lot of there's a lot of funky tricks you can do with like distance and tubes and stuff like that so i don't feel qualified to say whether this is good or bad i think you're qualified because it doesn't matter because no one's poking it anymore yeah yeah it's safe up there true i have poked microphone hold have you really yeah but i'm also someone who ejects sim cards way more than the usual person so i may just have a way bigger wouldn't do it well i have a larger sample size and maybe there's just every actually there's been some phones where the it's not gonna i have none of these phones of sim card trays but it's been like the eject port for the sim card tray is right next to a single port where the microphone also is and it's very easy to yeah accidentally do one or the other or you can just be like me use your phone in the shower way too much and destroy the microphone that way that'll do it especially if it's not innovation water resistance well even when it is now when i leave a voice now it just goes shares me like the french dub yeah that is tough yeah yeah you know durability tests are one thing on the internet and i don't think this means if you have a pixel pro fold that it is likely to explode anyway but if another one explodes maybe we'll be back here next week talking about that yeah it's fun to watch this was a one-off thing because of some freak accident when he was folding it or do you think if he took that fold like a different 10 pro fold and folded it again in the same way do you think it'll happen again like is it a flaw in that way or is it just like it happened randomly just where the pressure got put it also chance and it was also it wasn't on the initial snap it was when he was then bending it again after to kind of like straighten it out and do more that's when it started going off so like yeah he thinks it's because it just like perfectly at the edge of the battery crimped the edge which then makes touches of all the different layers and then shorts it so i think the potential is there the potential probably was there almost just as much on past ones or maybe just the 10 the battery edge and the antenna line are like almost identical so where it snapped it got that perfect side of the battery yeah i don't know don't play with batteries like that for the most part there's always a great chance that could happen yeah yeah the way i said on twitter is it's both it's simultaneously very unlucky and very lucky it's very unlucky to have like the battery thermal runway like that and very lucky that it wasn't worse and didn't like burn anything yeah did you catch i think he they have his because his audio is not live but i'm pretty sure he said frickin heck there and i was like good job zack for keeping this family friendly in the process of a phone almost catching on fire in front of you yeah if that happened i'd just leave the room which is what you should do probably burn down it's possible it's possible what i would cover would rather not be in the house cover it with a bunch of very different rax hinder if i can't see it it's not happening cover it with other batteries from around how i usually live my life all i know is that battery thermal runaway is like you can't reach into the battery and stop it from happening that reaction is going to take its course and you can't smother the oxygen away it's not the issue either so all you can do is go okay if this lights anything else on fire put that fire out yeah but like the battery is going to do its thing once it starts it's just going to get to the end of that one time i had an electrical fire and i just threw to my sink that's probably fine yeah just like a metal box yeah true yeah this is not financial advice this is not the fire department don't buy the two dollar soldering iron i learned the hard way that's good advice it will catch on fire that's good advice all right last little thing before we take it to trivia um honor just dropped one of the weirdest concept phones that we've seen a long time we've seen a lot of weird concept phones i'm looking at this yeah if you know what a like a dji osmo pocket looks like it's sort of this little camera that you can run around with it's very compact but it has a gimbal camera on the front which means that it's like hyper stabilized it can it can pivot on different axes and this phone has it built in as one of its main camera sensors which is crazy so the the camera like flips around the top of the phone and then it's basically on a gimbal is this a good idea i think it's a cool idea it's hidden in the plateau where presumably it is the main sensor and then the name now it slides over the plateau and then comes out from the pleasure yeah yeah like and then can pop up as a selfie camera and looks like it does i mean yeah if you don't know what the osmo is it's it's pretty much the camera on every dji drone like mavic and everything but on a little stick so imagine a drone camera yeah the osmo pocket is one of the most popular sort of just like quick run and gun youtube cameras right now every single person at every single event has one of these very popular really good for it shot on the colors are amazing i've heard that's great good ass little great well so this is what i'm saying and i i think that this is why they are making this concept phone is that instead of people just using their phone because the sensor is about the same size people are still using this osmo camera instead so i think that they're thinking what if we could put the osmo in the phone you know it's funny i'm the more i think about this like i have seen phones for years try alternative selfie camera remember like this must have been like 10 years ago like the oppo n3 maybe it was which had a swiveling selfie camera yeah i thought i just want to find the find x was the one that comes up the first find like there's a pop up we've seen like motorized yeah shark fin we've seen all kinds of them a zen phone that did flip up six yeah yeah zen foot six it flipped from the back so you had the back cameras turned into the selfie camera the oppo n3 is what i'm referencing which is a similar thing it swiveled the back camera around to be a selfie camera so once you get that extreme you start thinking about what if you could also build in like bigger optics and like stabilization in a gimbal and all that yeah and probably software on the phone to like motorize around and and get yeah cool shots i mean if you remember the lg wing yep yeah you remember the lg wing of course that had the gimbal software camera thing where it cropped into the sensor and it kind of felt like a gimbal that was kind of floating around there's a real gimbal was it well this one no no this yeah this one's a little yeah i don't know i think this is cool i think that they see a market that has developed and they think why don't i thought the point was that people were supposed to shoot with their phones and net yeah people are still buying these dj osmo pockets so what if you just made it the same thing i i feel like my argument with that would be the pocket is really good at capturing like a ton of stuff like even one of the scenarios they have here is the phone is in their chest pocket with the little gimbal pointing up which is a v yeah kind of early yeah like something you can capture all the time and like something you're doing which for the osmo they always talk about like connected to a backpack strap so you can do while you're hiking where the pocket makes or the osmo makes more sense because now i can still use my phone on the side like if i'm going to a convention and i want to do me on the show floor filming everything i probably still want to use my phone where this now your phone is what this this would look at theoretically better you can use your phone now because it's the thing capturing all of the content right i guess that's my argument alternatively what i want a side thing with replaceable batteries and not killing my phone's battery alternatively you just buy this as a camera and then you have an android interface which you can edit on and you can upload from it and cellular the whole thing is like its own little contained device and you can still have a separate phone i think i'm in on it this also just highlights to me how we have literally no competition in the united states just think of what this is a concept this is a concept i know i know this is a good idea if the tech can be shrunken down and the gimbal can actually be good in a package so small it fits inside the camera platotor phone that's the big if and they can probably build a one off and it'll be a cool concept oppo show me they've they've all done really weird stuff i feel like they could do this i will believe it when i see it this is a perfect example of i'll believe it when i see it i'm trying to imagine how thick the osmo pocket is and if i think that can get into a reasonably sized phone and i don't think it's possible even if you'll believe it when you see it we we don't have any us manufacturers out there that are just like messing around with this because we have no competition yeah so i want to see it yeah i want to believe it yeah i want to believe i feel like all the competition over on this side is software now it's all ecosystem lock-in based yeah they're not really experimenting with hardware like this yeah that's true i'm rooting for the wally phone and chidification baby wally phone all right well i think with that uh we should do a little trivia dude that's right nicely done Castilla board oh yeah guys when we switched to windows 11 we lost two legendary pieces of windows software and they're not lost they're just not bundled anymore and one of them has a pretty big asterisk what were they we gotta find something new to fill this gap with i like the the pencil yeah i knew all right boys i'm gonna be so mad when i hear this because i what do my oh my god all right i said directx okay and i also said paint 3d oh yeah because remember when windows a r was going to be a thing in 2015 and then oh yeah Jesus and they made paint 3d that happened yeah all right i just said mine sweeper i put mine sweeper as well uh and i put internet explorer oh because internet explorer was one of them that was the one with the asterisk though because edge oh because edge has an internet explorer mode and technically technically internet explorer is bundled with windows 11 is just hidden from user view if you have an application that is specifically written to open internet explorer it will still open it but you yourself as the user cannot open internet explorer the other one was pinball space pinball skype oh because they killed skype because they replaced it with team yikes yeah what how far they fall marquez after that correct answer with seven andrew with nine still in the lead david with one two carry the one five my turn to feel a pain wow okay that's not bad that's not bad that's a prime number yeah never mind what was or what is xiaomi's mascot one point for the name one point for the thing itself xiaomi the money xiaomi the money it's a pile of cash elis will now freestyle over this break no no i won't i won't maybe maybe one day but not today what if i drop underneath this well whatever what i rap about xiaomi xiaomi xiaomi xiaomi xiaomi all right you guys know xiaomi makes cars right sc7 mhm what do we got okay oh my god uh i said a red panda and that's totally fine i'm glad i wrote it anyway and i said its name was clippy good guess dang and by that i mean terrible i just wrote a car i think someone made a joke about that and then i like thought i actually remembered hearing something similar okay and then i just wrote its name was xiaomi so i put a cat but i was thinking of real meow you think of real me yeah real meow was the name okay and what you got for the name hyper cat that's a good guess but no this is this like we've talked about this before haven't i feel like we might have at some point or it might have been what david said the cat thing what is it it was something like that the actual mascot was named me too mi tu and it is a white rabbit me too yeah like a copycat but it's a rabbit yeah i can do that too apple the irony is crazy with that oh well he's kind of cute yeah he's kind of cute so no one gets a point here unfortunately it's not like the creepy rabbits with the red eyes i always think like velveteen rabbit velveteen yeah it's a little it's a book no it's a really weird old book but like yeah it does creepy red eyed rabbits some of us read children's books it is a good night mood book well that's what happens when you don't know the trivia answers y'all learned something and i'm glad we learned something today oh the mat that was a fun episode we'll be back of course with more regularly scheduled programming soon if you haven't already seen it go check out the adam asari interview where we talk to him about all things instagram and the creator economy etc etc other than that see you next week way for us for adam elena and else rovin we're part of the vox media podcast network and a trajetor music it's created by vain silk in the olden days back in the late 1900s the olden that's 20 years ago if you're running a business you know the deal with most crms they're packed with endless features you'll never use interfaces that feel clunky and you end up spending way too much time just trying to find basic information luckily for you there's pipe drive pipe 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