Deebo & Joe - Part 2: David Montgomery TRADED to Texans, Cardinals to CUT Kyler Murray
43 min
•Mar 2, 2026about 2 months agoSummary
This episode of Club Shay Shay features Deebo Samuel and Joe Thomas discussing NFL trades and roster moves, including David Montgomery's trade to the Texans, Kyler Murray's contract situation with the Cardinals, and broader discussions about NFL compensation rules for minority coaches. The hosts also address internet culture, combine interview experiences, and social media toxicity.
Insights
- NFL's minority coach compensation rule (two third-round picks) creates perverse incentives where teams may hire based on draft capital rather than merit, potentially undermining the rule's intended purpose
- Contract structures can trap teams into keeping underperforming players; the Cardinals face a $56M+ commitment to Kyler Murray despite leadership and work ethic concerns
- Trading away complementary running backs (Montgomery) can diminish a star player's (Gibbs) effectiveness by removing the one-two punch that made the offense work
- Internet culture enables harassment with anonymity, but successful public figures benefit from ignoring online criticism and relying on genuine relationships for validation
- New coaching regimes often abandon previous offensive schemes without clear strategic rationale, leading to decreased player utilization and team performance
Trends
NFL teams increasingly making mid-season offensive coordinator changes without addressing root causes of poor performanceRunning back market devaluation continues as teams trade productive backs for mid-round picksQuarterback contract guarantees creating long-term salary cap constraints that limit team flexibilityMinority hiring incentives in sports creating unintended consequences around merit-based decision makingSocial media toxicity toward athletes with speech impediments raising awareness about online harassment and mental healthNFL combine interview process evolving to assess character and resilience rather than just football knowledgeTeams using franchise tags as leverage in contract negotiations rather than as intended roster management tools
Topics
NFL Trade Market DynamicsQuarterback Contract ManagementRunning Back ValuationMinority Coach Hiring IncentivesOffensive Coordinator StrategyNFL Combine Interview ProcessInternet Harassment and Social Media ToxicityFranchise Tag NegotiationsSalary Cap ConstraintsCoaching Staff ContinuityCharacter Assessment in SportsSpeech Impediments and Disability RepresentationPlayer Agency and Contract LeverageTeam Roster ConstructionDraft Capital Allocation
Companies
Detroit Lions
Traded David Montgomery to Houston Texans for fourth and seventh round picks plus offensive lineman
Houston Texans
Acquired running back David Montgomery from Detroit Lions to strengthen offensive depth
Arizona Cardinals
Facing decision on Kyler Murray's $56M+ contract commitment despite performance and leadership concerns
Dallas Cowboys
Owner Jerry Jones acknowledged 30-year championship drought and need to improve team performance
Cleveland Browns
Referenced as team with ongoing roster and coaching challenges requiring attention
Pittsburgh Steelers
Mentioned as team dealing with roster construction and strategic decisions
Kansas City Chiefs
Received draft pick compensation when minority coach/executive left to become GM or head coach
Chicago Bears
Referenced for their approach to developing diverse coaching staff and organizational setup
People
Deebo Samuel
Co-host discussing NFL trades, combine experiences, and social media culture with personal insights
Joe Thomas
Co-host providing analysis on contract structures, team decisions, and NFL business practices
David Montgomery
Running back traded from Lions to Texans; described as hardworking three-down back with strong work ethic
Kyler Murray
Cardinals QB facing potential release due to $56M guaranteed contract and reported work ethic concerns
Jerry Jones
Dallas Cowboys owner who publicly acknowledged letting fans down with 30-year championship drought
Dan Campbell
Detroit Lions head coach who took over offensive play-calling and changed Montgomery's usage
Jahmyr Gibbs
Lions running back who will carry increased workload following Montgomery's trade to Texans
KC Conceptions
Texas A&M WR who faced internet harassment for speech impediment during combine interviews
Fernando Mendoza
Prospect asked bizarre interview question about getting arrested during combine process
Joe Mixon
Texans running back who suffered foot injury earlier in season, limiting offensive depth
Quotes
"You don't want to do, like, you, the reason why you feel like you always want, What makes it comfortable is when you get it and it's not with a tag on it. You know what I'm saying? It makes it feel like it's with a tag."
Joe Thomas•Early discussion on minority coach compensation
"Listen, ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. I'm not trying to be like that. I'll take it. No, I'll take them. I'll take them two picks."
Deebo Samuel•On NFL compensation rule benefits
"I just don't want, for people on the internet and for him in particular, don't, I wouldn't want you to go there to look for your peace, but just know you got really good people in this world that do care about you"
Joe Thomas•Addressing KC Conceptions harassment
"They knew that before they gave him the bag though. That was the crazy part. It was in the bag till he had to study. They said they took it out."
Deebo Samuel•On Kyler Murray's work ethic concerns
"If I'm Gibbs, I might be like, yo, y'all know it was a one-two. It was a one-two punch y'all done took away the... Now he got, like, can he go in there and just take all the hits"
Joe Thomas•On Montgomery trade impact to Gibbs
Full Transcript
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him. If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would. That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here. this case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist and one of the most authentic voices in music today. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. No matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children. I dread the conversation with my son. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? I've just been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. listen man ryan poe says the nfl's rewarding of two third round picks in a minority if through third round picks if a minority coach or executive leaves to become a gm or head coach is a strange rule listen to this bro yeah i mean i'll be honest i think it's it is a little strange i mean at the end of the day you should want to develop your staff regardless of the color of their skin. I think that's important. I think we take a lot of pride with the Bears on how we have our setup. And I take a lot of pride in that. So to be compensated for that's a little strange. I mean, I saw the Chiefs get a pick because of me. And then I watched that player go and play. It's just a little odd. But at the end of the day, if they think that's what's best to help incentivize, then that's what they wanted to do. Joe Joe What you What you think of that Joe Good Bad Indifferent I could feel Go ahead and give your honest opinion Because I know you mean Honest opinion That's all I'm about to say I could feel how Somebody could feel like You were wanting off your own merit And not just off the Like a sympathy vote Or once you're That's kind of how I initially felt If it's going to incentivize people to make them want to hire you, and it just makes it for somebody that wouldn't have done it otherwise, it just kind of, I don't know, it kind of throws me off a little bit. Basically, that's my initial thought when I first heard it, because I didn't know where he was going to go with it. But awarding NFL for picks of hires is strange. I mean, it feels off a little bit. It feels off to me. Like, you don't want to do, like, you, the reason why you feel like you always want, What makes it comfortable is when you get it and it's not with a tag on it. You know what I'm saying? It makes it feel like it's with a tag. And I just don't feel comfortable. Yeah. So here's where I'm at with it, bro. Yes. I don't know. It's a good thing and it's a bad thing. It's a good thing. If you're black, it's a bad thing. if you're not because now if I get into this situation and I'm the I'm the I'm the black coach and I'm I'm up against the white coach and we got two of the same and I'm like you know what I could go with either one of them if I'm the owner I'm going with a black guy I need those two third round picks and now it's a situation where maybe I'm up against another white coach and he may like that coach just a little bit more than me, but do he like him two third round picks more than me? I don't really like when I'm looking at it, I don't like too many more people than more than the two third round picks then. You know what I'm saying? You're a good executive, but you're not coming in here bringing two third round picks. Listen, it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. I'm not trying to be like that. I'll take it. No, I'll take them. I'll take them two picks. You know what I'm saying? It's a good jump start. So that's the only way I'm like this. They coming in fully loaded. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. Like I said, man, listen, if it benefits you, you fool it. If it don't, you're not. It's a good idea, you know, way of trying to promote owners to want to use and promote, you know, minority coaches. But it's also, now it's a business tool. Like, now I'm sitting there, did I really get it because I got it or because they needed these two third-rounders that I just picked up that's out here balling? I mean, you know, since it's going to – Money. Let's use it. I mean, if it's in there, for sure. No question. Because I think at the end of the day, there's great black executives that aren't getting in there. They bring them in there with the third-round pick in and make a, because some of them owners, like you said, they wouldn't hire them otherwise, you know what I'm saying? So if you got to get them in there, get them in there. And that's not that they're going to be, if they don't do well, we're not saying you got to keep the black coaches, but just to be able to get the numbers. Okay, so now, is this a situation where I say, you know what? You going to keep doing it? Like I said, I'd like to play devil's advocate, baby. You know, I'm everywhere. So is this a situation where I say, you know what? Hell, I'm going to get me a black head coach. I'm going to get me a black GM. I'm going to get me a black this and then I'm going to fire and get another one. And I'm going to keep getting two threes, two threes, two threes until I get the roster I need. Ah. Yeah, well, yeah, they would be looking crazy if they kept doing that. Listen, this is a business, man. Look, I'm in the business of winning. If that's going to help me win, I'm going to even be nice about it. As the head coach, when I fire you, I'm going to make sure the next head coach I fire put you at OC or DC. Then I'm going to fire him. OC or DC. I'm going to get two three-round picks. You can't just be sitting there playing with your coaching staff for third-round picks. Listen, man, I'm just setting up. Listen, Joe, business. It's business, man. These are businessmen. I have respect. Okay? Respect. They thank you. they, they, listen, well, I don't know how much they really care about winning depending on what organization you're at, but I'm just saying it's a possibility, man. These draft picks is, that's a, that's a thing, you know? Yo, uh, what is it? Fernando Mendoza. Yes. He was asked about the most bizarre question that he had been asked in an interview. And it was, and that's not a question. I think it was more of a statement, but he said, uh, Hey, maybe you should get arrested. He said I was a little confused. And then it was like to slide. Then he was like to slide down. Joe, what's some questions that you got asked at the combine that you thought were like real unconventional? And then what's the craziest question you got asked? And then you can ask me. The craziest, Debo, you funny. Well, as a matter of fact, we'll start off with yours. What was your craziest combine question, Debo? That was it. Okay. All right. So. I'm a good. I'll go ahead and take off. I'll go ahead and take off. Yeah. Honestly, though, I'm not going to lie. The combine questions, they didn't ask me too many crazy things. I was kind of locked in. The main thing that they really asked me was when I came in there, it was it was either like cool, super chill, relaxed, or they'll put you put me on the board. ask me questions about defenses, all that stuff. Or the worst ones was when they would come in there and they would ask me, they would have my, like a worst play. Like I missed tackle or somebody scored on me, something like that. Few and far in between, they'd be like this, tell me about this play. You know what I'm saying? And I just had to stand up on there, accept it, take it like, no, we're right here, we're in man-to-man. I got a whole player. You know what I'm saying? He got outside release. I didn't put my hand placement in the right. And yeah, I got to make that play. So they didn't ask me nothing too crazy. I think they knew everything. And I was a good dude back in the day, man, back when I was at Florida. So, yeah, nothing too crazy. It was just mostly football stuff and asking me, like, basically standing up, like, did you mess up on this? And, like, what did you do wrong? I think they really wanted to just meet me and see how I, like, stood up to, was I able to take responsibility for stuff that I did wrong? You know what I'm saying? So I think it was more like how I react to bad stuff. Okay. Nothing crazy, though. Nothing crazy, though. Nothing crazy for me. Okay. Okay. Well, Texas. I know more of the character dudes. Some dudes, I know some of my teammates, they had some crazy questions that was asked to them. What's the craziest one you heard? You ain't got to say the name. Give me something. Give me something, Joe. Man, what did man say? They was asking them weird stuff. What type of... What would you rather be, a dog or a cat? A dog, duh. Dog, duh. But, yeah. That's a stupid question. That's a stupid question. No, no, no, no. What other choice did he have? Because I remember your normal. Yo. Yo. What superpower would you like to have? That's easy. Teleportation. That's a good one. That's a good one. If I could have any superpower, I'd be anywhere whenever I wanted to be. I don't like that superpower, but it's a good one. That's a great one. What would yours be? I want to be invisible. That's a good one. I want to be invisible. That's a good one. I can go wherever I want to and rob they motherfucking ass blind. Yeah, you got to see. Rob them blind, Joe. I can do that when I teleport, too. No, you can't because you're going to be sick. They got cameras everywhere, Joe. Oh, man. You ain't think about that. Facial recognition, all that. I'm invisible. I'm going to teleport somewhere fully costumed up. I'm going to be a completely different person. Do you see these masks? You know when you teleport, you got to be butt naked. No, you don't. See, you freaky, man. I'm making rules up. I'm making it hard. I can teleport. I can teleport with luggage, and I just got to be able to put my hand on somebody else so they can come with me. Yeah. I could use that too as invisible. So we could teleport into a bank, vault invisible, rob their ass blind and be up out of there. See, but we only, we gotta be like, we can't be stealing from the, we gotta steal only- It's insured money, it's the bank. We stealing from the bank, bruh. Okay. Okay. Like, what are you talking about? This is insured. Okay. All right. We ain't going into Fort Knox and stealing gold bricks. Nah, we can't do that. We can't do that. They heavy anyway. I don't know if you would be a good partner for me to use on that. I don't know if you, but. Bruh. Chill out, D-bo. You know I'm lifting over here. Yo, man. Stay over here with the combine. So, Texas A&M wide receiver, KC Conceptions. The internet making fun of this man because he got a speech impediment. He was stuttering during this combine interview. Listen to this. My meeting with the Bills, it went really well. I'm actually from, well, I was actually born in New York. 5-8-5. I moved out of Charlie when I was about five. The Bills is actually my dad's favorite team. So, you know, I've been watching him, you know, I have been watching him since I was young. I've been seeing, you know, Josh Allen, you know, he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And, you know, I'll be grateful. Yeah, man, these people. When is it, G? Yeah, these people are ruthless. He later, he posted this right here. He said, I just want to say something. If you have a speech impediment, there's nothing wrong with us. I've had this stutter since I could remember talking. This is part of me. This is who I am I cannot control this I want to be a role model for those who are scared to speak up maybe afraid and not confident in themselves I want to stand with you this weekend I stand with you this weekend has taught me a lot about myself and people out here in this world. Yeah, they trash, buddy. I appreciate everyone who supports me and has reached out to me after these interviews. Don't let outside people's thoughts, opinions get in your way of you being great and achieving something in life. I am blessed to be in the position that I am. I'm in and I want to give help to those, give back to those, sorry, who are scared to speak up, who haven't, who aren't as confident. I stand with you. I will stand with you. I will always stand with you. We are different for a reason. God has blessed me in a way I couldn't even imagine in the past year. I love you all. Support y'all. And we'll climb this mountain together. Stop the negativity. Yo, what do you think of this joke? You know what I think you should tell him? Hey, man, this is all you got to do. Tell him, hey, kiss my black ass and suck my... See? Oh, yeah. The internet people are... Hey, these internet gangsters or something, ain't they? These internet gangsters, bro. This is what I'm trying to tell you. A lot of these people are hurting they self. You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody, hurt people hurt people. You don't want to, nobody in the good person, good-hearted person is going to go out of their way and talk bad about it. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. A nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. 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I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. I hate fame. I hate the word celebrity. I hate those words that you make me uncomfortable. But I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence. It just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Bo was born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. funny. You know what I'm saying? Like people are going through things and for him to go up there and do that, like expose himself, make himself vulnerable. And I feel him. So all I would do is pray for him. And he just, just know this, the people that are on the internet clowning you are lame. They are hurting in their self. They are sitting in their basement, just talking about, talking about a man out there, just trying to expose himself. So for the good people, just let that noise that's louder. And that's one thing I say about the internet too. I don't want people to go there and feel like that place is your happy place. Don't go there for your joy. Don't go there for your happiness. Don't let people on the internet make you feel like you're worth it or you're not worth it. These people are lame. Your family, your friends, the people that you talk to, the people that actually love you, let them be the ones that pour into you. Let them be the ones that really like there for you when you need a shoulder to cry on. Because the world out here, they don't care about you. I care about you. Debo, good-hearted man, we care about you. We care about the people. We care about your heart, your soul. We want everybody to be good. Things like laughing and joking. I'm a jokester. I laugh at a lot of stuff. I crack up. I have a good time. But when you, I just don't want, for people on the internet and for him in particular, don't, I wouldn't want you to go there to look for your peace, but just know you got really good people in this world that do care about you and these lames and the internet is a harsh place and don't let them knock your shine. Straight out. Good question. that's a good thing that you, well, it's a good thing that you said that those that go to the internet for their joy, that same joy you get, be careful because they can put you in that pain and tear you down. So I don't look to the internet for joy. I don't look to no outside force, to be honest with you, other than my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So other than that, I mean, they crucified him. What makes me think they ain't going to talk about me? You know what? Sometimes I got to calm myself down and be like, you know what? Let me give myself a day or two and see if I want to respond to this comment. And then 99.9% of the time, it's like, no, I don't want to. Yeah. Because then I'll give them what they're looking for. The crazy part is when I used to do that back in the day, when I first got on Twitter, I was really, really high end. I was involved. I was like going out to lunch, just telling people meet me places, just trying to get involved in the city. And after games, people would just be talking crazy to me. And I'd be like, yo. They'd be like, where you at? We go whoop your ass, Joe. No, no, no, no, no. Just like, you suck. And man, why did we draft your bum ass? I'm like, who? Me? I was out there hooping. Like, what are you talking about? And then I'd say something. And I'd be like, man, man, F you. And then, I mean, man, forget you. They'd be like, oh my God, he responded. Yeah. and then I'm like, okay. See what they want. That's what they want. They want their five minutes. So when they started doing that stuff, I'm like, man, listen, I'm not going to let these people control my mood. If I want to say something, we're going to get out there, whatever, but just know, don't let that be your peace, because it will not be your peace at all. Yeah, see, you came out of Florida. You know, you was probably already comfortable with public speaking and all that, you know. I wasn't. I came out of Kent State, you know what I'm saying? I think I might have talked to, you know, like two times a year. And that's after we went, you know, to somebody's homecoming or start a game. And they done beat the brakes off our ass. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was hella scared of public speaking. I was hella scared of interviews. I ain't want to do none of that stuff, dude. That was a big reason why I went and I started acting, dude. That's why I started acting. It was a fear I had. I wanted to conquer that fear, you know. Matter of fact, hey, y'all check it out. Y'all want to check it out. It's heels. It's only season one, though. It's on Netflix. H-E-E-L-S-Hills. Season one, I play a character called Apocalypse. Y'all want to check your boy out? Y'all need to go check your boy out. I'm good. I'm fine. Hey, y'all tell 50 Cent, too. I'm the next boss, villain, action hero. Whatever it is that you got coming up, I'm that next dude that he needs to go in. And toss your boy in there. Because I do it all, man. I got range, man. Super. I got range, man. Point blank, period. You know what I'm saying? You ain't lying. That's what I do, man. It's nothing else that I do better. I had to take a public speaking class when I was at Florida. Oh, you did? They make all y'all take it? Oh, yeah. They made us take that joint when we was at school. And then when I was coming out, my agent, they did a good job. they put us in like the draft, the pre-draft interviews. So we would go through, meet a lady, man. I'd be glad this draft time stuff is over. I'm getting tired of hearing about this pre-draft, draft this. But I'm telling you, that process was something that I went through. Combine all that, man. I'm tired of hearing, man. I know, I know, I know. It was a time, but it was a time that they- It's set up. It ain't even made for people with my extravagant level of speech that I had then. I know, I know, I know. But that's when they put us through the process. I downgraded my speed and level and all that just so I could get into the league. I'm like, if I come in there with this much, they ain't going to let me in. So I downgraded. I said I ran this. I said I jumped. I had to downgrade. You know what I'm saying? They was like, oh, no, we can't have Super Ninja in here. I was like, oh, I downgrade. You know what I'm saying? That's what I did. I'm just saying, though, man. Jerry Jones said that he has let the fans down with the team championship drought. you just now realizing that old news you got anything to say about this I don't because I don't I mean you know what it is speaking he's stating the obvious man he's letting this team know finally I mean yeah we've been saying it's been 30 years what you mean that's a drought you're so appreciate you drought man listen all the animals are dead everything crazy dehydration bruh like 30 year drought like they've been having ain't nobody last through that drought but him. And that's only because he's on the team. Everybody else been fired, cut, talked bad about, talked bad about and cut. He ain't tripping. He ain't tripping. Now he say he done let him down. I think that was because he went on head and took care of that billion dollar deal instead of the team when he took off that little spurt right there. I think that's why he went, let me get my Cowboy fans back. We them boys. I done let you boys down, you know? Yep. I ain't had no Super Bowl men to drop in so long. We go be back on the map as them boys, you hear? They gonna tag up? They gonna tag our man Pickens? They kept him there? Oh, never mind. I was thinking Kenny Pickens. I'm like, what? No, no, no, no. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. They tagged him, but you know how Jerry work now. deal don't get done. Jerry don't feel like he go pay you more than he want to pay you. Now you might be sitting there. Jerry got him for a deal. He already stole him. He already stole him. Jerry feel like he got over right now. Listen, no, no, no. Listen, Jerry's sitting there as the rabbit with the gun right now. I own you You do right now for the 28 piece Listen all you got to do I going to tell you what they can diagnose Back pain. Can't diagnose back pain. You can have a perfectly healthy looking back, but you got so much pain, you can't function. You already signed your ticket. Make sure, you know, let them know. You saying that for real? Make sure you let them know. Why don't you like that, Joe? you want to listen at some point you got to advocate for yourself I understand but it's like the same thing as if this is a you you rather like a I'd rather not go out there at all take a chance of hurting myself then go out there and then put in a subpar performance because you mad anyway or sign this ticket you knowing that we need to get a deal done. If we can't get from here to somewhere around here, I can work with you. You can work with me. That's the only reason that deals don't get signed. You so far apart, you can't even get close. Yeah. Then yes, that's what... I'm going to guarantee mine. I'm going to do everything I need to do. And listen. Listen. Oh, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Week one. Week one, you're back. Pulling up. Uh-uh. Pulling up to the game. Backspasm. Come get me out the car. Wow. Okay. Okay. I'm just saying, y'all. I'm just saying. If they try to keep you on the tag, you're back. If they try to keep you on the tag, don't want to go ahead and do something with you, let you go, get you somewhere else that you can get a long-term deal with somebody that's willing to pay you. Back. Backyotomy. back i don't know what you want me to do mm-hmm yeah i mean look look i yep i feel you listen man that boy that boy kyle murray over there he got the he got the cardinals in a huckle buck man they likely to release him they say uh so it's reported that i think he has 36.8 million in guaranteeing money still on his contract for 2026 okay and the kicker is if he's on the roster as of march 15th of this year it kicks in another 19.5 for 2027 bros season guaranteed now you add that with questions of his work ethic leadership and then you know he was struggling a little bit on the field along with him getting a new head coach and the old GM hasn't even talked to him all offseason I don't know if they think they're gonna get a trade for because the news is already out there. Who going to take that ticket? What are you looking at? 40, 56 almost? 56. 56 with two. 56 and some change? 56 and some change. On that? On that, yeah. Potential work ethic and leadership issues along with play has been subpar. He got them boys in huckleball. He got them blocked up. Don't try to go nowhere. What you going to do? You going to let me go or you going to pay me? Got him in the headlock for real. Headlock. What you... Where you at with it, Joe? What you going to do? If I'm the Cardinals... What you doing? If I'm the Cardinals, I mean... I can't bite the $36 million bullet. That's already bit. No, I'm saying. So he would be on my team. Even if you let him go today... I couldn't... You got to give him 36-8. Even if I let him go today, I got to give him 36.8. The kicker is, if you don't let him go by March 15th, you got to give him another 19.5 and 27. God dang. Because, I mean, $36 million, in my opinion, it's got to be completely over. Because it's 36 for nothing. or it's going to be 19 for nothing. Because I would have him start this year, every game, and you better do everything in your power. Hopefully, do the best that you can. Because if else-wise, then I'm doing another 19, then I can get rid of him next year for 19 and it feel like half of what it just was. 36 people. Got a new coach now. Got a new coach. Oh, new coach. Oh, new coach, he's done. New coach don't care about that. Tell him to new coach you got to keep this because I got money on the line. New coach don't care. I ain't going to lie. I'm the owner. I'm going to tell you. New coach isn't risking him. Hey, listen. I hired you. I hired you letting you know that you're going to keep him. I got to pay him. I damn sure ain't about to let him go. Look, if it's on the new coach, if I were the new coach, W for the agent for show. W is all over the place for Kyler Murray's agent. But if I were the coach, I'm trying to figure out the new head. If I'm dying on that sword, is Kyler Murray going to be the reason? or does the staff let me, does the owner give me another year? He's getting rid of him. Now I get to get a new quarterback. We're still 36 at least down in the cap. Like we go, like that's a hole in our, that's a hole in our roster. So we're going to, we're not going to be able to get as much as we can. So now would you let me live and see that it's not going to be what it is? Because y'all gave the man the bag and he wasn't really trying to study as much and now he's gone. They knew that before they gave him the bag though. That was the crazy part. It was in the bag till he had to study. They said they took it out. That's, yep. Because people found out it was in there. Embarrassed my dog. Yep. But look, that's on them. I'm not feeling bad. Bad call. Cardinals, y'all got to figure it out. I'm not trying to figure all... I got fires I got to deal with over in Cleveland, and we trying to figure out what we got to do over here in Pittsburgh. Arizona, I don't know. I don't know. 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I know he ain't tripping. You know, I trained with him out there in Arizona. And they get, hey, man, they getting the workhorse too, bro. Dang. Did that just happen? Yep. That just happened, bro. Look at you. Go ahead, Debo. That boy loved to grind, man. I wasn't hip. He loves to grind too, man. Dude squat. I mean, he deadlift them there at 700. God. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's going to be fire. Oh, yeah. Okay. Damn, over there in Houston. They need some offense too, man. Did they give him a deal or did they just say what they traded him for? I believe he just got a deal last year. I think he got two years left of a total of maybe $13 million. Okay. Left on the deal. Something like that, I want to say. Damn, that's going to be fire. because they had him and what's my man's name that got hurt, though? Said he, like, shot at something with shot in the foot or something. Who got hurt? Running back for the Texans. He used to play for the Bengals. Got shot in the foot when? Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon got shot in the foot when? See, that joint kind of went off the radar. He was on the Texans this year. Are you serious? Earlier in the year, yeah. It sounded like crazy, bro. Yo, Minksy got shot in the foot. He just went missing. Like, nobody knew nothing about it. Nobody tell me something. See, Devo, there you go. But, yeah, they got, what's the name now? They got Montgomery. Oh, yeah. He ain't getting that back. I promise you. Hey. That's what I'm saying. That's what I was looking like. I was waiting on him. I was like, yeah, hopefully he gets that. He a real, like, three down back, too. He gets busy. Bruh. He'll run you over. He'll run them boys over. and run past him. Strong and fast. Boy, strong and fast. Power. Personified. So now it's just going to be Gibbs over there. Just Gibbs. Just Gibbs. He's going to get off. I don't know. I don't know. We're going to see. I don't know, man. I don't know. You take away the power aspect. I mean, I don't know how many people putting fear in or putting that helmet through their chest. I'm more worried about him running around the corner. I'm going to go ahead and make sure y'all keep the corners tight and make him go in between And we going to go ahead and line him up as soon as he get in that hole and just take his shot If I'm Gibbs, I might be like, yo, y'all know it was a one-two. It was a one-two punch y'all done took away the... Now he got, like, can he go in there and just take all the hits, all the... They were switching them in and out. I think that was a big thing why they ended up trading him They weren't even really – when your boy took over the calling, he wasn't really using him like they was using him before. The head coach, when he took over the calling of the offense, Dan Campbell, when he took over the calling of the offense, he wasn't really using him like he was before. And they was having success. I don't know why they changed so much of that, but it's crazy. Then they started losing and you fired the OC, but you the one calling the offense. Ain't that what you just said? You should have fired yourself. No way he wasn't going to fire himself. I know that, but... That guy was funny. I'm just saying, bro, man. Like, come on, bro. Like, at some point... Goodness. We got some supers, D-Bo. We ain't got no supers yet, but... You know when time it is. Time for Play of Fade. Presented by Prosper. Uh-oh. All right, Joe. The staff, they cooked up a lineup for us tonight for the NBA game. Okay. And we go either play or choose to fade this pick right here. All right. You say his name for Houston, but they have him for more than 14.5. Kevin Durant they have for more than one and a half three pointers made and also more than 25.5 points with Joker having more than 24.5 points against Utah and also more than 13.5 rebounds. Where are you going? Why? What you going to do, Joe? I'm going to go with play because Kevin Durant from the crib, obviously he's going to make two trade balls at least. 25 and a half. Easy day for the Grim Reaper, KD. Joker walking 25 and 15. So that's normally, that's just on an average day. and Saloon I like to go for 15 I like I like all that up there just because of who they playing with Washington they they not that good so I'm I'm good with that especially I think they give up what is it almost I think they the top or bottom three or five points allowed or something like that so I'm good with that. There. Now, down here, I don't know about the... You don't know about the Joga? I don't know about the rebounds. That's the only thing. Bro, he's a walking 25-15. I understand what you're saying. What is Utah, though? Yeah, I guess. Utah, they average at best on the board, so... I think they're in the bottom five. Joe, I'm going to play it with you, Joe. That's what I'm talking about. I'm going to play it with you. That's what I'm talking about. Download the app today and use the code DEBOJO to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. That code is DEBOJO. Now we got some prize picks, baby. I mean, we got some super chats. Now we got some super chats, man. Let's see what we got here. She said, we got covenant light, $50. She said, first of all, y'all are on fire today. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. She said, Debo, you're looking real nice in that print. In that. Burrywinkle. Yeah, you said the word. Damn, I can't. Yeah, anyway. Burrywinkle. Carson Beck look really good at the combine. I would rather have him than Ty Simpson if we got a quarterback. What sunglasses do you wear, Debo? Missing the cigar. Only had a cigar in there. Only poisoned my body when we have a good game. What sunglasses do I wear? I don't even know. Let me see. See, maybe say on the side or the inside. Oh, they Louis Vuitton. Joe got them for me. Joe got me some Louis, I forgot about that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Come on. You know that man rocking them Louis V's. Nah, I'm just saying, man. Joe got them for me. I got my other glass CVS. Joe got them for me, man. What you got on, Joe? D-Ray is Lil Tom Ford. Wow. Lil Tom Ford. I can't even afford the cologne. Yes, you can. You got the glasses? Yes, you can. You're a lie. Lord, Lord, Jiminy. You're a lie. Covenant Life back with $5. She said, when you got your first NFL check, what did you purchase first? How much waste spending did you do? Me, personally. Oh, Lord. No, this is a question for you. Me, personally, my first check I ever got, I was on practice squad. I made $60,000 my whole year. That was before taxes. So I did no wasteful spending. Joe? Huh? Huh? Hell. Ah. Oh, hold up, hold up, hold up. My signing bonus. I take it back. My signing bonus. I thought I was rich, Joe. Yes. There we go. I had three grand. Yeah. I went and bought an old Gixxer 750. used. I did waste that. I take it back. See, you did. See, there we go. Three grand, Joe. Three grand. See, I didn't waste my first check. What's your signing bonus, Joe? My signing bonus? 12. 12 what? 12 million dollars. Oh, Lord. So, look, whole time, I got my parents a house. First things first. No, she said wasteful spending. Oh, wasteful spending. All right. Like your jewelry. Jewelry, okay, yes. Like the cars. But my jewelry isn't a waste. Two cars. Two cars, the same car, different color. No, see, that was when I was out there. But now, then my rookie year, I got me a little Range Rover and a Bentley GT. Been cool little GT to be more careful. Man said, I can't figure out what color I want. Chill out, D-Bo. Give me both of them. No, I did not. A different color. I don't know if I want the black or the white. You know what? Give me the black and the white. Ah! I tell him that in the shirt, and then I'll be sitting there sweating, hoping the credit card don't decline. Go on, man. Go on, Debo. Chill out. I don't bad out in these shit, man. We ain't go. I ain't go same car, different color. I ain't go same car, different color. Okay. Mike Mike, $105. said what up Debo and Joe Debo if you could choose what will you what will you want your next acting role to be I already know I already know it gotta be action or it could be gangster like it don't really matter I gotta have something in there where I get to let the side out that I've been stifling for the last couple years just letting him out as a character then it's not me. It's just a job. You know? My boy 50 should be calling me. Let me see. Hold up. Anytime. Yo. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm down for it. Nah, Joe ain't that good. Oh, hell nah. I'm definitely good. Maybe if you want you got a character that's real indecisive? Okay. we got to roll for you hey I'm going to hit you hey let me hit you back let me hit you back I'm on the show right now I got a couple minutes yeah yeah yeah alright yep anyway yep it's just right enough time for you to now that's enough disrespect I'm just good lord man Mr. Wallace Mr. Wallace 9-3 $5 said shout out to Lil Cuzz J Redman of the Vikings number 61 he showed out this year. Who is that? Is that his cousin? Must be his cousin. Shout out to my little cousin. I appreciate that $5. You said he showed out. I'm going to check him out. If I find out he ain't showed out and we check out, he ain't showed out. Hopefully he showed out. He might get a refund. Because you done set up here and told a lie. Nah. I ain't going to lie to you. I ain't going to refund you nothing. They ain't going to lie. They ain't going to jump on there and lie. And we got O-Mouth Mad. O-U Mads. O-U Mads. $2. It says, does Will have a true shot this year to be quarterback? Yes. We honestly don't know. I don't personally know because I don't know what he can or can't do. If I'm going off of what I've seen in college, I don't see why he doesn't have a shot. I don't see why he hasn't got a shot. And yes, he can be in competition for it and win it. I think the same thing. I think hopefully they give him a shot. It just depends on now. If A-Rod comes back, then he don't have a shot. He don't get a shot. A-Rod is not coming back and saying, I'm going to play backup. No, bro, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Unless you say, A-Rod, come back, play back up, we give you 40. Here, here, here. We told them. They already know what I'm on. Sink or swim. No question. That's where we at. That's all the Super Chats we got for today. Look here, man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please like, subscribe, and download where you get your podcasts. Joe? Yes, sir. Make sure you like, subscribe and download wherever you get your podcast. 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