Trash Taste Podcast

The Man Behind YouTube's Craziest Experiment (ft. @Ethan Nestor) | Trash Taste #295

116 min
Feb 13, 20262 months ago
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Summary

Ethan Nestor joins the Trash Taste podcast to discuss his decade-long friendship with Joey, his move to LA after Markiplier's invitation, and his experiences with major YouTube projects including the year-long Unus Annus experiment that accumulated nearly 1 billion views before deletion. The conversation covers touring, content creation evolution, anime preferences, and life in Japan versus America.

Insights
  • YouTube's shift from bedroom creators to corporate production teams has reduced accessibility and homegrown appeal, with live streaming emerging as the new frontier for authentic creator content
  • Major YouTube projects with massive audiences don't guarantee monetization—Unus Annus generated ~$1M in ad revenue that YouTube withheld due to channel deletion timing, highlighting platform payment policy vulnerabilities
  • Touring is glamorized but operationally grueling; the reality involves isolation, constant fast food, bus restrictions, and physical exhaustion that contrasts sharply with the perceived excitement
  • Content creator career trajectories are heavily dependent on timing, opportunity, and personal networks rather than initial talent or effort—Ethan's success stemmed from Markiplier's direct invitation
  • Japan's quality-of-life infrastructure (walkability, convenience stores, public transit) creates measurable lifestyle advantages that resonate with creators accustomed to car-dependent US cities
Trends
Decline of long-form gaming content in favor of highly-produced, narrative-driven YouTube videos and short-form contentCreator burnout from daily content production leading to strategic pivots toward streaming and less frequent, higher-quality uploadsIncreasing corporate presence on YouTube competing with independent creators through professional production teams and resourcesLive streaming platforms becoming primary discovery mechanism for new creators as YouTube algorithm favors established channelsInternational relocation by US-based creators seeking better quality of life and walkable urban infrastructureAnime and Japanese pop culture becoming mainstream entertainment with polarized online discourse (over-praised vs. over-hated)Creator tours becoming less frequent as artists recognize unsustainable lifestyle demands despite initial appealNostalgia-driven retrospectives on early YouTube era (2007-2016) as platform professionalization acceleratesYouTube Shorts fragmenting audience attention and reducing discovery of traditional long-form creatorsConvenience store competition in Japan driving innovation in food quality and retail experience as competitive differentiator
Topics
YouTube Content Monetization and Payment PoliciesCreator Career Trajectory and OpportunityUnus Annus Project and Channel Deletion StrategyTouring Economics and LogisticsGaming Content Evolution on YouTubeLive Streaming vs. Traditional YouTubeJapan vs. US Quality of Life ComparisonAnime Industry and Fan CultureContent Creator Burnout and SustainabilityYouTube Algorithm and Discovery MechanismsCreator Collaboration and NetworkingConvenience Store Competition (Japan)Creator Sponsorship and Brand PartnershipsEarly YouTube Era (2007-2016) NostalgiaProfessional Boxing Training for Creators
Companies
YouTube
Primary platform discussed; Unus Annus generated ~1B views but YouTube withheld payment; platform monetization polici...
Game Grumps
Markiplier's show; Ethan was invited to LA to help create videos; referenced as major influence on Ethan's career tra...
Markiplier (Mark Fischbach's brand)
Called Ethan to move to LA; collaborated on Unus Annus project; major figure in Ethan's career development
Family Mart
Japanese convenience store chain; discussed as superior to competitors for food quality and sock products
Lawson
Japanese convenience store chain; praised for meal quality and collaborations with other brands like IKEA
7-Eleven
Japanese convenience store chain; noted for smoothie machine innovation and general product offerings
IKEA
Mentioned as collaborating with Lawson convenience stores in Japan for lifestyle products
Twitch
Implied as live streaming platform alternative to YouTube for creator discovery and audience engagement
People
Markiplier (Mark Fischbach)
Called Ethan to move to LA; collaborated on Unus Annus; major influence on Ethan's YouTube career and success
Joey (Joji/George Miller)
Co-host of Trash Taste; long-time friend of Ethan's; moved to LA in 2016; toured with Ethan
Connor Colquhoun
Co-host of Trash Taste; discussed touring experiences and anime preferences; long-time content creator
Grant Gustin
Co-host of Trash Taste; participated in discussion about YouTube evolution and creator experiences
Aaron Hanson
Game Grumps member; toured with Ethan; served as fatherly figure; trained Ethan for boxing match
Amy Schumer
Collaborated with Ethan and Mark on Unus Annus project; worked on daily video production for year-long experiment
PewDiePie (Felix Kjellberg)
Featured in YouTube Rewind 2016; discussed as major YouTube figure; referenced regarding anime opening song style
Stephen King
Referenced as famous author from Maine; Ethan's home state
Dave Matthews
Referenced in anecdote about tour bus septic tank incident; used as cautionary tale for touring musicians
Quotes
"It's so clean here and everything runs efficiently and things make sense."
EthanEarly episode discussing Japan
"I think it's because we were both drunk and you were like, yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. You come into Japan. I was like, I'm going to prove you wrong."
EthanDiscussing why he finally visited Japan
"Why didn't we go back? It's like so much time has passed that's like, whatever."
EthanDiscussing YouTube's non-payment for Unus Annus views
"I've never been more creatively fulfilled than doing unisonous."
EthanReflecting on Unus Annus project
"It feels like a little, it feels a little, I mean, yeah, I guess it kind of feels petty, but it just didn't feel like the right thing to be like, hey guys, pay us."
EthanDiscussing why they didn't publicly complain about YouTube payment
Full Transcript
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What are you looking at? First second, my brain was like, how do I fucking introduce myself? Remember, hey, I'm Ethan. Joey and I have been together for a long time. He's my boyfriend. What did you? Oh, you called me Gizmo Daddy. Gizmo Daddy? That was my nickname. You two have been friends for quite a while. I'm not really a simple over a decade now. What the fuck? I was like 17 or something. Oh my god. What? How did you guys meet? It was a mutual friend of ours, right? Yeah. It happened, what, 20, 20, 14 or 15? I don't really remember. You tell the story, honey. No, no. You tell it so many times. I was still in high school when we first met. Yeah. It was back when I was still doing a lot of like, let's plays. And so was Ethan. Ethan was still doing a lot of let's plays on the crank gameplays. Yeah. And yeah, I guess I forgot who it was. It was like a mutual friend or something that kind of introduced us. And then we did a couple of gameplay stuff together back in the day. But then after that, we didn't really collab a whole lot. We just kind of stayed friends. Yeah. And then we met in Indianapolis. That wonderful. Oh, it was that convention. Yeah, IndiePopCon. IndiePopCon. Indianapolis is my least favorite city in the world. Yeah. I've heard that from several people. Yeah, it wasn't great. It's just city that struggles to be a city. It's so terrible. It has the buildings to be a city. But it has nothing that makes a city a city. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry because I really want to like it. And I really love that staking shake at 2 a.m. When I was pretty blasted. The positive memory of Indianapolis was getting the hang out here. I've heard that there wasn't a whole one going on. I hated it there. When I was on tour there, I said that at my show. I was like, hey guys, just letting you know, I hate your city so much. And most people like, yeah, it's fine. We get it. I'm understandable. But it must be hyped to be from the worst city. Because then every other city is so much fun. Yeah. Traveling was really so fun. You're the good old high. That's why it's great being from England. Because when you're a kid, ever you travel, it was like such a step up. Yeah. If you're Japanese, if you're Japanese, you travel when you're like, shit, when do I get back to my country? Yeah, but where are the family moms? Yeah. Now, I've been here for a couple of days. And it seems like it's a really heated discussion asking if you're a family mart 7-11 or what's the third one? Wilson. What are you guys? You didn't remember Lawson's. That's my story. Lawson's is like the more I go, the longer I live here, the more lawson's just keeps. How different could they possibly be? Oh, girl. Would you know nothing? You are so nice. This is like saying all American burger chains are the same. Okay. That's like saying, yeah. It's like saying like, oh, McDonald's how much more different could have been a like fucking Burger King. That's the only thing I'm gonna say. That's the only thing I'm gonna say. Okay. What's each of your favorites and why is it then? For food, it's definitely more. Lawson's is. But for everyday things, because you know, you don't always go to the convenience store for food. You know, you go sometimes if you need to like get small little things, then maybe you can't get because the supermarket is closed or whatever. For that, I would say for food is for me, it's Lawson, but for everything else it's 7-11. I was friends here who've been here for a while and I was back to Chris and Pete and they used to tell me they'd be like, you know, Lawson's right came here, he was shit. Now it's really turned it all around. It's really the best of the bunch. I was like, wow. Because they all have so many different offerings, right? They all constantly doing like these new items like every week. There's something new. But Lawson's out of all of them has these really good like meals that are like collaborations other like companies. They have like the Katsu is a collaboration with like my son. They have really good bowls that are like when you heat them up, they're not just mush. Like if you have like the family mart, Katsudon, which is like the Katsudon and egg and whatnot, it's just mush. It's just so bad. But the Lawson's one is like actually like near like what you would get from a store. It's so good. And they've really opted and then Lawson's have also started collaborating with like Mugi, which is like kind of like an IKEA store here. And a lot of Lawson's, they'll just have like half an IKEA. Yeah, pretty much like the lifestyles. I've not the furniture stuff. Oh, this is great. But they I'm sure they took that though because they saw the family mart clothes were popping off. Yeah. Because family mart does, and I've said this for as long as it's existed, family mart does the best pair of socks. Okay. If you go to a family, right? Are you wearing them right now? Not right now. I don't have like 12 pairs at home though. I'm just going to go to a family mart right now. The family's, you might be. Maybe. I don't know. Show me a feat. Okay. Well, I have socks on top of them because I went and I gotten, I got some Doc Martins yesterday. Yeah. Because everything here, the, the yen is not good. No, yeah, we know it's good. Yeah. But it's great for me. And so I went and bought some Doc Martins and I wore them today and yesterday, but they were destroying my. Oh, it's like a double socket. Yeah, they take so long to break in. Yeah. But the family mart socks, like, I heard it from a friend of mine. He was like, bro, have you worn the family mart socks? And I was like, bro, they're the convenience store socks. How good could they be? Bro, I wore it. It was like I was getting kissed in the feet by an angel. I was just like, why do these feel so good? And they're so cheap too. So I think in my, my theory is Lawson saw how much family I was popping off with that kind of stuff and was like, we need the help of IKEA basically. But they all innovate. And so 7-11 recently innovated. They added the smoothie machine. Yeah. It feels like the meme of like those kids being like, is Fortnite underrated? This is it. This is it. But this is the game changer. They added like, you can go to the freezer section. There's a bunch of frozen fruit that are dried and you stick it in this machine and it blends it. And it's a loss in for food, family mart for socks. Yeah. And then 7-11 for everything else. But you want good smoothie, 7-11. Okay. But generally, like, I think 7-11 has gone downhill since then. It was like top food when I moved here, but now it's, I think it's like bottom. 7-11 has fallen off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They added the smoothie machine, but I'm just like, what if it's not summer? You know, it's true. You go to family mart, you can get better quality stuff. And Lawson's is just like pulling a head man up in the stratosphere. That is true. But we're all winning because they're all in competition. And they will have to keep getting better and provide better things. Yeah. It just gets infinitely better. It doesn't matter because wherever you are in Japan, there's your walking distance. Over at least one of three, if not all three. So I've seen places where there was like a Lawson and then across the road, directly across the road, there was another Lawson next to a family mart. I'm just like, oh, the choice. Well, we were talking now and there's one literally the next building next to it. The neighbors, which is family mart. So 7-11 Lawson's. Yeah. I didn't understand the hype coming here until I got here because everyone's like the convenience stores are so good. You have to go. Yeah. It's like how good could it possibly be? But compared to the US, the food at convenience stores here are because if you're getting food at a convenience store in the US, it's like it's so fine. It's just like, okay, I need to eat something. I will put something in my body. I think fine is a bit of an overestation. Yeah. I think it is hot dog. It's like a hot dog when rolling for a long time. It's not an old, oh, don't eat those. Yeah. There's not a lot of people rolling. It's like tasting history. Yeah. But the food at the convenience stores here, it's actually good. Yeah. Yeah. So all the nights I saw you all insta store of you eating the egg sandwich. I think you nodded. Yeah. That was a family, a family mart one. It's a yeah. I think it's so soft. Yeah. It is so soft. It's crazy. No crust either. No, I'm a cross there. I'm a cross. Are you a cross theater? Yeah, I like cross. Do you miss it? Because there's not a single sandwich you can get here that has crossed. Yeah. Unless you make it yourself. Unless you go to like a sandwich, it's specialty store. Yeah. That's pretty much it. Many stop used to have a sandwich that had crossed. Oh, yeah. And it was called the Iguidesu box. Iguidesu box. I remember that. Yeah. It is the British box. I'm a figure. I'm like, it's fine. I don't think it's- Where is all the crust going? That's what I want to know. Yeah. Where is this crust? It's- I had a trash. Trash. Trash. I'll put it in my mouth. Did you guys ever get told the thing growing up that the crust is the healthiest part of the bread? Yeah. Did you guys get all that? Yeah. I got told that. Yeah. That was just like gas like adults gas like I always liked the crust though. So I never had a problem. I never had a problem crust. I never heard that. Yeah, it's just- It's just a way to get kids to eat crust. Yeah. It's just a way to get kids to eat crust. Yeah. Like, oh, it's the healthiest part you have to eat it, but it's no more healthy than the rest of this. It's the same. I heard the skin of the apple was the healthiest part of the apple as well. I don't know if that's true. I think it's the most good. It's got the fiber in it. Yeah. I love these things. Can you give her that? I say so. You don't believe me. No, I just- He never believes me. He never believes me. He's skin of the apples are the most the fiber is. Believe me, God. But is it the healthiest part? Oh my God. I didn't- I'm sure it was. I'm sure it's healthy. I've never denied that. That's 40% more vitamin A in 25% more potassium. So there you go. So be fair. I asked a yes or no question and Google didn't give me a yes or no question. It is just giving me the problem with the society. Well, I wanted a simple yes or no question. Will my parents gas-licing me? Okay. All our friends gave you yes. Yeah. Our parents said yes. Wait, can we look up to see if the crust of the bread is the healthiest part of bread? It has to be. It has to be the healthiest part. No more juice. Yeah. So that's the same. See, that was a nice yes or no. That was a definite no. It was a yes or no. They just gave you more information. Yeah. The back it off. Anyway, more importantly, how's Japan been treating you? It's been so good. I had to gas-lite this motherfucker for 10 years. Yeah. That's kind of the case. 10 years. Like every year we would see each other pretty much at like AX. Yeah. And I'd be like, this year's the year. I'm going to come to Japan. It's going to be great. And then I never did. No. And then this year for some reason, I don't know what changed this year. I just committed. I think it's because we were both drunk and you were like, yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. You come into Japan. I was like, I'm going to prove you were on the other side. I was the fact that he lost faith in you coming. Yeah. No, I think it was that because I was like, I'm buying my flights right now. Yeah. I used the disappointed dad technique basically. Oh, yeah. They're even bothering you in the next one. You know, it's fine. I guess I'll come and visit you every year. Are you do you regret that you didn't come sooner now? But I do regret that I haven't come soon. Get. Get. Get. Get. I almost wasn't here because the government shut down in the US and my passport was expired. Oh. And so I left LA the 21st. I got my passport back on the 18th. So I, and I didn't hear anything. It was just like your passport is still being processed. So I was like, I might not be able to come anymore. And then Joe is going to be really mad. I will. And he's going to think that I'm lying. I'm going to be like, I couldn't get it back. Branch ship. Oval. But I'm here. And it's so good. It's so great. It's so clean. Yeah. We were talking about right before this, I tweeted about how Japan is sick and America sucks and people got really mad. I'm really, really, really upset about it. It's just, it's so clean here and everything runs efficiently and things make sense. Yeah. I mean, I was, look, every country has problems. Everyone knows this. But yeah, there are a lot of things why you would might enjoy Japan, the quality of life and the daily quality of life is really high. Like every day life is so good. Yeah. It's so quiet here compared to the US. Like being in a city in the US is so loud. There's cars honking all the time. There's always shit happening in here. There's the same amount of people, but it's just not loud. Yeah. Well, it's like talking about Japan online now is just, it kind of, for some reason it's just become a battlegrounds. Yeah. You know, before everyone loved to just praise Japan and now it's almost like it's getting over praised and people are like pushing back. Yeah. It's become like two extremes now. You either get the super glazed or the super haired. You know, it's like, you can't have like a middle ground in Japan. It's become too woke. It's become too woke. I don't know what to propose. It's so woke to like Japan. Yeah. But like you can't have like a middle ground on how you feel about Japan anymore. You like you, for some reason, even if you may not, you know, try to do it yourself, just the internet just pushes you to one side of the other and then the war happens. But whatever reason, I don't know why because it's not happening within the other country. No. It's, it's pretty awesome here though. I'm very excited. I've only been here for a few days. I haven't even done that much. I mean, for me specifically because I live in Los Angeles, it's just so nice to be in a walkable city. Yeah. Yeah. Just to be able to leave my hotel and that's what I did yesterday. I just walked around all day and it was so great. And you can't really do that in Los Angeles. This further explore as well. Like exploring LA is kind of sad when I have to. You have to have a car. Yeah. Like you can explore LA, but you have to have a car. And even then you have to sit in traffic for a walk to get anywhere. So where are you from in the US originally? I'm from Maine originally. I thought you were from. For somebody who's thought new Hampshire, I'm sorry. That's close. I think that's where Ludwig is. That is where I love to come. Yeah. Which is the most northeastern state. Damn. Stephen King's. Mm-hmm. Stephen King. We have Stephen King. We have lobster. Is the lobster as good as they say? Yeah, it's really good. Everyone is always like, did you eat so much lobster going up? I was like, no, because that's what are, that's like what we're known for. So it's super expensive. It's really good. Oh, yeah. But the seafood is really good there. Okay, okay. It's very good. What else are you going to make? Me. I'm not anymore. I'm not anymore. I don't know. So what? Outdoor. When did you go from Maine to LA? 2016. I was fresh, freshly 20. Oh, damn. Oh, damn. Because you moved here when in 2016? I moved here in May of 2016. Okay. And I moved here, yeah, I moved here in November, not here. In November. Yeah, yeah. Because I remember it was roughly around the same time. Yeah. I remember that. Damn, so almost 10 years in LA then. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. Does that feel weird that you've been here for almost 10 years? But I mean, I used to visit so often here as well. But yes, it is also weird that I've been here for that long. Yeah. Yeah, it feels, feels weird that I've been there for. Do you still like it? I, so I do love LA. There's a lot of things about LA that I don't like. But I think that LA gets a bad rep. Yeah. You just have to find everyone has the series of vocal way of thinking of LA is a horrible city and everyone is like out to fuck you over and there's no good people there. It's like there's shitty people everywhere. Oh, for sure. You just have to find your group of people and similarly you have to find an area that you like. I'm sure that there's places in Japan that you guys wouldn't want to live. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to name them, but it's like people come to LA and they go to Hollywood and they're like LA sucks and it's like, yeah, Hollywood's terrible. I would, yeah, I completely understand why you think that all of LA is bad if you've only seen Hollywood because Hollywood is really gross. It's super busy and everyone is actively trying to scam you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally. And I do like that. I guess it's a big thing. Just kind of hot. Yeah, yeah, normally so expensive to live in LA. That's the worst thing for sure. But it's great because it's sunny all the time. Yeah, the weather is amazing. That's the one upside every LA resident says. Yeah. And then they go in a five hour long tangent on like traffic was them shit like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know if I'll live there forever, but they do really like it a lot. And like I have a really good friends and so on. So well, why did you want to move out of Maine initially? Well, I moved out of Maine because this is so funny story to tell. I moved out of Maine because Markiplier called me and was like, hey, do you want to move to LA? And so it's like, can't really say no to that. And so that's that is why I moved to LA. Yeah. Just like, hey, just fucking this episode is sponsored by Vassy. Ladies and gentlemen, it is the fine month of February. And it is time to make sure that you are ready for any unpredictable weather. Is it winter? Is it spring? The season doesn't even know. That's why you need Vessis and these beautiful stormers. Oh my God. Connor, is that the Vessis storm burst? 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Like at Vessi Vessons in this video, back to the episode. Move. Yeah. He called me and we didn't really even know each other at all at the time. Yeah. Right. We're like light acquaintances. And then a mutual friend of ours texted me and was like, hey, are you free to call real quick? Mark wants to talk to you. That's like, fuck. It's like the King summoning you. Yeah. You have been summoned. You have been summoned. You have been summoned. You felt like that. And then he was like, hey, do you want to, I need somebody to come out to LA to help make videos and be videos and stuff that knows YouTube. Do you want to move here? Right. And I was working at a barbecue place and I was like, man, I don't know, man, this barbecue thing is working out really well. We should at this time you hadn't done any work with him at that point. No, we had just met each other a few times and we had a few mutual friends. Right. But I've been doing YouTube for a long time, right? Yeah. I've been doing YouTube at that point for like five years. Oh, wow. Like four or five years and nothing had like really popped off yet. And so I think he wanted somebody to help him that knew how to make videos but was a failure thus far. I mean, that's just a lot of YouTube content produces. Yeah. Well, it's, I mean, it's, uh, because success is so weird. I mean, it's a mixture of timing, opportunity, lock, and I, and yeah, it's, I feel like we say it's a failure. It's like, no, it's, it's not how to look at it. I'm not a failure, but I know I know you mean that. Yeah. Yeah, he was like, I want somebody to help me who isn't like doing this for a living on their own. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then yeah, that's crazy. They were just like, yeah, just calm down LA. Yeah, it was, it was, I remember I was in a Skype call with you when it happened. God Skype. And that's really how you did it. That's how I did it. Oh, I miss Skype. I miss Skype. I do miss Skype. I miss Skype. Did you guys ever, I feel like we probably did this a few times. I, and I don't ever do this on Discord. I could, but I miss being on Skype with somebody and you're both editing your videos separately and not talking about just there on Skype. Yeah. Yeah. At least I did that by all means. There would be like six of us in this call and no one's all face cams on. No one's talking. No one's talking and everyone is just editing their own video. God. You just didn't want to be alone. It was the best. I remember that. What was the longest call Skype call you guys have ever been on? Oh my God. Because like if there was, if it was calls like that, there would literally be some calls where we would just get in a conversation and then we'd all start editing our own videos. And then by the time everyone was kind of done, we would just like, do we record another video? Yeah. And then we'd just keep going. Like there would be like seven, eight, nine hour calls sometimes. Yeah. I think we were younger boys. Yeah. It wasn't a true. It was nothing to do. I think I want this at one point. I had like a Skype call that lasted like five days to a week or something like that because okay. It was it was it was the same kind of like, you know, same kind of like thing you guys going through. We were just sitting in a call and then because our group was so big, there would be people jumping in, people jumping out. And then it got passed like the 24 hour mark and we were like, shit, how long how long should we make this call last? Basically, it got to a point where we're just like, shit, well, we can't let this end now. It's gone on this long. Let's see how far we can go to record. Yeah. I was confused for a second when you asked that question. I was like, I have no idea. Longer, longer Skype call. You Skype people for a week. Bro, this call memory. Yeah, it's called being unemployed. Yeah, you get a lot of shit down. Yeah, it's called the young and unemployed man. Oh, shit. The good old days. Does it still exist? No, it shut down like last year. That's so sick. Like forced everyone to go to teams because I was scouting my parents until last year. Oh, because my parents learned Skype like 10 years ago and they're like, this is it. I'm only using Skype and then teams. This is all that's ever going to exist. Yeah, wait. So did all of the conversations and stuff migrate over to teams. So if you did talk to someone like 12 years ago, some of them are like, you know, some of them are there, but for some reason, some of them got like, I've wanted the same thing. I was like, I told you like 10 years ago. I wonder if that's still there. And like, some things should be there, but not all of them. So I don't know if something. I don't know. But yeah. Real question is, is Emerson Messenger still a thing? I don't think so. I don't think so. I do. I think it's completely gone. I don't like life. I don't like life. I don't like life. I want my cringy 15 or this is white for the internet. I want that shit wiped. I want that shit wiped. That's way longer ago than I thought. I thought that Emerson stopped. Well, when was the last time you heard anyone using Emerson? I don't know. I stopped using it when Skype got introduced. It's probably some people watching this right now that have no idea what the fuck is in here. I think that probably most people don't know. Yeah. It's scary. Oh man. Makes me feel old. How old are you? 29. Oh shit. Oh shit. Are you having the thing where? Yeah. Where are you? I know what you. Were you the baby of the group for a really long time and now you're starting to feel old? Yeah, I was always the youngest and all the like, especially creative groups. I was always the youngest one. And so now I'm coming to meeting people who are like, I'm 21. I'm like, that's disgusting. Yeah. Leave me alone. I didn't realize. I didn't realize. Yeah, I realized people are probably looking at me the way I probably used to look at some other people who are maybe in the space. Yeah. When I came into it. Yeah. You're like, what the fuck? And like, maybe they've been doing it for a while and they've got like a history or whatever and you're like, that's so cool. They've been doing it for a while. I hope I can get to that point. And you're like, that's me. But it doesn't feel good. I know. I feel how old are you? 31. How old are you? 35. I fucking fell now. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. You must have felt like damn. And I'm like kind of I'm always the young guy and then obviously you've been doing so much stuff with yourself and with Mark as well. And now obviously people must look up to you and now I'm chopped and on. Your job on. Trap down. That was crazy. You're on. What the fuck am I? I know. It's so crazy. I love it when people are like, you were born in the 1900's. It's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. I am starting to feel a little older. like I know that we're all still young, but it is weird seeing well we're like old and YouTube terms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we're dinosaurs. Yeah, YouTube terms. Because how long have each of you been doing YouTube for? To this to me. Right. I started in 2013. 2013. Oh, 2007. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. I was in fourth grade. Yeah. Why? I used to watch his videos. Like, yeah, I used to like, his was like the first video is like, I let you down when you think about it. I was like, this guy's chill. Fuck. Yeah. I have viewers now that are younger than my YouTube channel. That's so serious. I'm really right. I know. Oh, that's fucked up. I do know like 11. So I'm like the, but like 11's crazy for YouTube as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then around these guys and I'm like, I mean, well, I've only been doing it for what? A year longer than you, maybe? I'm still more impressive. I mean, I was obviously here for maybe 2012. Oh my god. Oh, wow. Damn. But beat him by you. Yeah. Exactly. So he's on. Can you feel it? Which is weird because is it next year? No, I guess it's two years from now. One spy channel turns 15 because I started when I was 15 every day that goes by will be me doing YouTube longer than you haven't been. Yeah. It's like that, I think will be the weird point of, oh, this is just a majority of my life. I have bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I freaked me out a little bit. Well, I felt this way with Japan. It was like I've realized I've spent most of my adult life in this country. And maybe you feel the same with LA or like getting to that point where you're like, I'm from Maine and I know all the stuff, but I'm becoming so. Yeah. I've been in Los Angeles so long that maybe at what point in my more of that than, you know, I think it's. It's not even saying that I've been in LA for 10 years. It's saying that I've been in LA for a decade. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna hold us Roman numeral. Yeah. It's odd time. It just keeps going. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. Are you guys afraid of dying? No, no, no, no. Bad win. You're afraid of dying to skill issues. Yeah, skill issues. Just don't die. Yeah. It's easy just don't die. I mean, it didn't this, you did a whole thing about not dying. Unisana's right? That's like, no, nothing about dying. Yeah, about dying. Yeah. Yeah. How was that like? Hard. What year was that again? Because. 2019, 2020. So how did this forget that? So so do people. Yeah. Obviously. You're changing the year and hour. People might not even know what it is. Yeah. And like three before, you went very, very fun. So maybe because you just explain first how it came about what the project was and what of them that big. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I hit up Mark and I was like, I don't even remember how this conversation started. I think I was just like, hey, because this was kind of before everybody had a second channel. Yeah. Okay. I'm thinking about making another channel to just post bullshit on. Should I just post bullshit on my normal YouTube channel or should I make a second one? And you was like, I've been thinking about this for a while. I've been thinking about the idea of a YouTube channel where you do it for a year and then you delete everything. And I was like, whoa, that sounds really cool. And then he was like, yeah, you want to do it? And I was like, yeah. Yeah. And that's literally how it happened at Buffalo Wild Wings. We went to Buffalo Wild Wings. We're all the good people. We're all the good people. We're all the good people. Yeah. We're just like, okay, yeah, let's make videos every day for a year and then we'll delete everything and delete the channel. And that would be that. And it was supposed to be like every video could be anything because we were doing shit every day. So there was no standard. But then it very quickly became like the standards are way higher for that channel than anything else. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it blew up. Yeah, it was weird. Well, you know, it was. It was though. Well, it's also because the concept was just never done. Yeah. I think there was always that anticipation of like, they weren't deleted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was like the really cool thing near the end because I had so many friends being like, hey, you guys aren't actually going to delete it, right? And I was like, no, that's the point. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. Yeah. It was really weird to delete it because like for me, Mark and Amy, I think that's like we sat on the live stream and we ended the stream and we like celebrated because we had finally done the thing. But for everybody else, it was just the stream ends and then the channel disappeared. I was no like celebration or anything. It was just like, oh, I guess it's it. I was like, I'm finding you channel man. Was it ever a man where you guys are like, should we keep some of the marble? Was it? No, you all is pretty fast in there. Yeah. And like it was so much work, like looking back on it, I don't really know how we did that. But there wasn't really a moment where we thought, should we keep anything? Yeah. Because it would just kind of defeat the purpose from the beginning and the three of us were like very gung ho about making sure everything goes as planned. Was there ever conversation about, so what do we do after? You know. Rest. Yeah, there must have been fucking crazy to commit to that for you. Yeah, like it it was, but then the way that it panned out was kind of perfect because of COVID because the whole message of the channel is like the time that you have is the time that you have. So you need to make the most of that time. And then COVID happened and we had all these plans for all these big videos and then suddenly we could do it, which was also a really weird thing to have COVID happen and have this channel with branding about death while a pandemic is happening. That was like a little weird. But yeah, we just, we just did it. And I think it happened at like the perfect time. Yeah. It was a really cool thing. I don't know if I'd have the, the heart. We're so hard for so long and take it down. Because they weren't like simple vlogs. Like they were like properly planned out. Like I, I, I, look, if I was in a piss sauna, which I think I remember watching this, you saunaed your own piss. I would want that up. I want to know. I did. I didn't do that. I, I sure did. I love how you're like, they were like proper, really good. Yeah. You missed remembering something. Out of piss. Um, yeah, we did do that. That was C. Okay. It was such a great thing creativity wise, because we had the excuse that we could make anything in the world. So one of my favorite titles is just called The Human Mop. And all the videos, it's such a stupid video. But the whole video was me, I bought a bunch of mop heads at Home Depot and then I duct tape them to Mark. And then he just tried to clean his floor. It was so dumb. Awesome. We got away with it somehow. Like people watched it. I mean, you're allowed to have some ideas that maybe you also like, yeah, they phoned this one in. That was kind of like, just like, just like, the lock down COVID era where we weren't able to make videos in person. Most of those videos were like, yeah, we just kind of really did as much as we could. Like both at our own desk and stuff. You weren't even going to delete it originally, you're like, we should delete this. Yeah, we should. We should be doing our fucking most. Now I feel fine about telling you. Now I feel okay. Do you have any videos that you made that you are glad and are deleted? And then you, anyone's that you regretted making? Yeah. There's none that I regret making shockingly because there's videos where we sat in a piss. Yeah, you probably find the joy or charm in any of these like, you know, every struggle. There's always a fun memory that you can always be like. That was really fun. Yeah. I don't think there's anyone's that I'm really glad are deleted. But we did. So the five year anniversary was. I did. I sure was. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then we were, we were just like filming some stuff for it and we went on Dropbox and we found the raw file. So we found, I knew that we had every video exporting it still up on our server. But we also have all of the raw footage for every time. Oh, fuck. And then Mark was like, what if technically it's not the same video if we take all these videos and we re-edit them because we have all the source footage. What if? And I was like, man, maybe in 20 years, re-edit all of the stuff. Yeah, it was cool. It was fun. I remember that live stream, the initial one, the was insane launching it. Like the reaction was like, I don't know. Yeah. The moment of like, I think I shouldn't do this. It was really fun to watch. The easiest thing was like, because I knew that just from looking at the numbers of the channel, it was like, wow, the channel got way bigger than we thought. But I didn't think that that stream was going to be as big as it was. Like, because how many subs did Vanessa end up having before? We was gone. Had we ended with like, probably close to five. There's over four, there's close to five. Oh, Jesus. And then the ending live stream, because we were talking about it beforehand. And we were like, I don't know. We might have like 100,000 people there. Like that would be so crazy if there was 100,000 people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There was 250,000 people waiting for the stream. And then it capped at 1.7 million. Holy shit. That's insane. I mean, you too, but as well as like, once you kind of reach a certain mass of viewers, it's just on everyone's front page. It was the latest pushing it to everyone. It's like, you need to watch this. Yeah, it was wild. And like, seeing that and then this was back when Twitter was Twitter and it was working normally. It's not like, it's not like an ending stuff created by Grock. Yeah. It was actually like a good place for fandom too. Yeah. It was a great, like you actually wanted to keep up with channels. It was great as like a, like off when videos on up. Yeah. Actually discussing and seeing people keep up with them. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy though, because the day the live stream, every single thing on the trending page was on his honest. It was really weird. Damn. It was really, really weird. Yeah, that was a weird time in life. And then we deleted it. And there's a gun. Holy shit. The coolest thing about deleting it though was that it was like taking somebody off life support. And it's okay. It was like, kill the man. No, it's the ice. So you could see the life being drained away. It was really weird because I thought we pressed delete and then it's just suddenly gone. But because you're deleting 365 videos, we had, we had 367 because there was some, there was like a few things where we did double uploads for some reason. I can't remember. This was every video. You didn't give yourself enough work. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't have to go over. But because you're deleting all of that stuff, it doesn't just disappear. So literally like, it was like a progress ball. Yeah. So if you were watching the channel, you didn't even have to refresh. It would just start happening. You would see titles disappear first. So a video would have the title in the thumbnail. The title would just be gone suddenly. And then the thumbnail would disappear. And it would just be a gray thumbnail. And then the video would go. So it's just slowly over the course of like five to ten minutes. Everything faded away. It was really cool. It was really, really weird. I thought damn. I remember as well, there was quite the battle afterwards to keep the videos down. So we kept trying to reupload them right. Yeah. There was a lot of reuploads. The best reuploads were people were reuploading them to PornHub. It was just really fun. It was so cool. So they can't get me here. Yeah. Yeah. We had like in the beginning, we were like, nobody reupload anything that is the antithesis of the whole beginning. But now it's kind of fun seeing the compilations and stuff. Right. The compilations are a little bit of like. It's like a vague memory of it. Yeah. It's like the proof that it exists that are one point right. Yeah. But there are definitely some videos where I'm like, yeah, that was not that it was embarrassing or we said something we shouldn't have. But it was like, yes. Kind of a shit video. Yeah. It's not. I don't want this to be a reflection of me. Yeah. Let's not bring this one on my mind as to work. So, so Ritalke, when you delete a channel, that last livestream, where did the revenue for that? So, doesn't have enough time to like, just to roll. Yeah. Did you ask this question on purpose because of what we talked? So we talked about this. We just did for the five year anniversary. We talked about this for the very first time because every year we've done an anniversary video and then for five years we did a livestream and then we're like, hey, we're not really going to do the anniversary videos anymore. Maybe we'll do something at 10 years, but it just feels like, but we talked about that for the very first time. So we deleted our channel on the 13th of November. And so we deleted it and then we had close to a billion views that month. We went to YouTube after we deleted the channel and I don't really know why we didn't go back and fight this. They were like, yeah, sorry, because you didn't end the month. You won't get paid. Holy shit. I was going to ask you. I was like, I just assumed you private it all the videos. No. Yeah, that's actually deleted. Oh, no. No, no. And that's a billion long form views, not short form views. Yeah. Yeah, this is before shorts were a thing. Yeah. That's a lot of money. Yeah, they just didn't pay us. We just never got paid. Holy shit. Which is awesome. Really cool. That, that's like in the range of like, wouldn't that be like fucking like a million dollars? Yeah. Millions of dollars. Yep. Yep. Yep. And YouTube was just like, yeah, sorry, nothing we can do. You didn't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing about it because the ads played. Somebody YouTube got that money. Yeah. The ads played up those videos. It was, it was really fucked up. So I think the reason that it happened was because during this time, and I didn't really know this, but Mark, this was back when YouTube originals was a thing. And so Mark was supposed to be doing a show with YouTube originals and they were supposed to be in production, but they weren't in production because COVID was not. But YouTube kept going to Mark being like, we really want this to be in production. And Mark was like, I'm, we can't go into production. Yeah. We can't go into production on stuff. So I think, talk to Mark about it. And he was saying that YouTube kind of, it feels like they did this out of retaliation because they were mad at him for not doing the YouTube original show that he was supposed to do. But I don't think that's fair. What a fucking thing to do. Fair. Well, that's, there's, there's petty and then there's a, maybe illegal. Yeah. Slightly illegal, perhaps. Because again, the ads played. Yeah. The money somewhere. The money somewhere. Someone's like, oh, sweet, free $1 million. Yeah. That's crazy. But yeah, no, we did, we did actually delete it. We ended the stream like the countdown timer happened. It hit zero. Yeah. Cut to a black screen. And then we ended the stream because you can't actually delete a stream while it's so you might be able to, but the process of it deleting a channel takes like 10 minutes. Yeah. There's like 45 to step verifications that you have to do. Like there's, which I guess is a good thing. Yeah, it should be that. It takes a really long time to delete a channel. But yeah, we actually deleted it. It's crazy. Like even when you delete it, YouTube still has like, they have these like weird, like copies, just like back in the year. Yeah. So we should definitely happen there. So that's another weird thing. When you delete a channel, you have 30 days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. There's some situation. There's no situation. There's no way. Just so whatever. I can't. I don't know why we didn't do anything like in the moment. Yeah. Looking back, I'm like, why didn't we go back? It's like so much time has passed that's like, whatever. Let me, I mean, yeah, I guess you can't really be upset about it now. That's whatever it is. It is whatever. I'm upset for you. I just found to say. Yeah. upset for you. Yeah. But maybe in five years I would get over it. That's what it is. It was really fun talking about it on that stream though, because we were like, it was the first time that we ever talked about it publicly. And we were like, we need to talk about this. Cause it felt like, when it was honest, it was wildly, wildly successful. So it like feels kind of ungrateful to be like, they didn't pay us for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm Twitter like 30 days later. Hey guys, can you pay us? Yeah. So you guys are dead. That team you should like, you know, like millions of dollars. Yeah. Can we, can we get that paid please? Yeah. I mean, you do think that could have complained at the time and it probably would have been big enough news where it would have got sort of, but at the same time, does that what you wanted it to be about? Exactly. It feels like a little, it feels a little, I mean, yeah, I guess it kind of feels petty, but it just didn't feel like the right thing to be like, hey guys. Yeah. And then you're also successful in so many other avenues as well, despite that. So I feel like it, yeah, like you said, it would probably leave a sour taste since the people's mouths. Yeah. But there's cool. There's fun times. But a cool project and that's one of the great projects. I mean, do you personally feel like it's one of the coolest things you've done? I'd be like looking at it from a great to it. So it's really impressive to it. Yeah. So it has the vision to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think that like, I definitely think that it is the proudest thing that I've ever been a part of. Like I have, there's a lot of feelings in my head when I think about it because what I miss most about it is making stuff with Amy and Mark every day. And like the collaborative effort that was put into that channel, I think back on it. And I'm like, wow, that was a lot of really hard work, but it was really, really, really fun. And it felt really challenging in a really great way. And it felt just like, I've never been more creatively fulfilled than doing unisonous. I bet. Yeah. But you also did a, we're on tour. Yeah, tour, yeah. Yeah. And yet the same tour crew. Yeah. Every day they would tell us about how amazing your show was. Yeah, I was sad that we couldn't watch it. Yeah. It was shit. No, I had so much fun on tour. Did you guys like touring? I love touring. I know. Joey, you've done too fun. I look back on it fondly, but when you're there, I think it's a tough thing at times. It's a, yeah. What was that process like for you guys as far as making the show? Do you mean we're talking about that? Yeah. Funny you asked. Because yours was like a properly like scripted structure show, at least from my understanding of your show. For us, it was like, OK, let's do a US tour. We got all of these cities. We got all these locations in these days. Sweet. Now let's make the show. So we didn't make the show until like a week before. Yeah. Until a week before? A week before we flew off. Yeah. We did like a brainstorming session of like, OK, let's kind of make it like this, this and this, but we weren't confident enough to just do it. Yeah. So I think it was like two or three days before we started the tour. Yeah, we got like a group of like friends and staff and stuff. We did like a good kid. Good kid. Good kid. Aaron was there. Like, wait, so did you guys not? Did you guys not do a tester show? No. No. No. I don't think we, I don't know why we thought we could do it. Yeah. We did like a beta version of the show in front of like 20 people in LA and they were like, yeah, that's good. And we're like, OK, time to go. Time to go do that in 26 cities. If you say so. So that's not a massively successful tour. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Did you guys do Australia and Europe also? We did Europe. Yeah. We did the West and we did Europe and we did one show. No, no, no, no. So that I wanted to do it. But like we did you guys hate Australia? That's why I love Australia. Yeah, we did one show in Australia. Yeah, we did one show in Australia. Yeah, we did one in Australia. Yeah. Where'd you do it? In Melbourne, I think. Is that where you're from? I'm from Sydney. So why did you do a hometown? I don't know. I think you do it at the opera house. But that feels really bad, do you think? What? Do you show at the opera house? But doing your show at the opera house, do you think that you would feel? I think I would. No. OK, this feels so bad coming out of the opera. It's not like I thought that I saw your show. And it was very fun. But thinking about if I did my show at a place like that, that has so much history. And I'm making jokes about dicks and stuff. I'd be like, I'm sure they hacked the LSU. I mean, they do do comedy shows at the opera house. So it's not far fetched to say. Yeah. I mean, proper comedians. We're not proper comedians. Yeah, I think the most legendary venue we went to was the Hammersmith Apollo. Yeah, the Apollo in London. Which is so cool. That was crazy. I was like 3,000 suite of venues. Yeah. And so cool because the second floor of the Apollo, there's just this like small little museum of just all of the past acts that have been there. Yes. And it's all like the biggest like rock artist you can ever possibly think of. It's just all there. And it's like, oh, so you guys had like all these amazing historical rock bands. And now you're going to have trash tastes talking about dicks for an hour. Hell yeah. That's so cool though. That's awesome. What? So you had a week into the show. Yeah. Until we flew off to LA to tell the show runners what our show was going to be. And then we made the show a week before. And then we just did a test show. And then we had our first show like a few days after. Yeah. I think we had our first LA show. I mean, I think I liked it at least because it helped me get my stage skills a lot better. Which I think turns out to YouTube and camera in general, I think. Oh, totally. Totally. Yeah. So did I see the first show then? I think because I saw two LA shows. OK. Yeah, we did one at the very beginning of the tour because the LA show that we had planned for got sold out almost immediately. So they were like, let's do another LA. Was it was the venue that you were in like a very bright, two floor? Yeah. Yeah, that was the first one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you went to the very first trash day. Yeah, real one. That was a week after its conception. Yeah, very real one. Yeah. Well, what was your show like? How much prep did that say? Yeah. So I kind of like did a similar thing to what you used to do really. In the sense of I really wanted to tour for a really long time. And then I kept kind of coming up with shows and then abandon them. And so we booked. I did a tester show, but we booked the tester show before I had a show at all. So I was like forced myself into doing it. It was kind of like a, it wasn't like stand up. There were comedy aspects of it, but there was also like music, stuff in it. And it was just about my relationship with my audience. I talked about drinking piss. That was a big component. It was amazing. I'm Sarah who's on tour in your own. Yeah. She said, yeah, she's very sweet. And I remember she said that like made her like tear off. And I was like, oh, she's going to watch the show. Yeah. I would have loved to have been able to watch it. I'm sad. Well, never doing it again. Fuck, man. Do it's showing Tokyo. The game grumps did it. You could do it. That would be sick. That would be sick. Maybe I would, like, what do you guys go on tour again? I would. Yeah. OK, Joey seems this side of the table really likes to. I thought it was. We spoke about this. We just don't have a shot. There's no show of passionate about. There's nothing I want to do. Yeah. I just, for me, it was like living on that bus for like six weeks. I was at the end. I was like, I can't do this again. And then I did it again. I was like, OK, the first few shows are fun. And then I was just like, OK, now it's done. Then now it's done. Yeah. Because I Europe's tour was like less than half the length of our US tour. Yeah. I also like enjoy being alone. But I have a hard time verbalizing that when I'm around people. Yeah. And I don't know how to like, because I, and I don't think anyone ever takes it personally when you tell them. No. No. But then I beat myself up. And I will just go alone. I'll be like, I'm going guys. I'm going my room and chill. Yeah. But then I still feel bad about it. And I beat myself up. So if I have a really hard time kind of doing that and you're also close when you're on the tour bus, I think that was an aspect I struggled with. That is a tough thing, where it's like the most privacy you get is when you're taking a shit. Yeah. You don't get a hard time with it. Or you're in like a hotel room or something. Right. Yeah. For me, it's sunlight. You wake up when the tour bus is like blacked out, curbs, blacked out windows. And then you go off and then you go to a green room which doesn't have windows. And then you basically do like your sound check and then you're just waiting around, I guess, either on the bus or the green room until your show. And maybe you'll go have lunch or something. And that's basically it. I think we're also fortunate to be able to do what we do in the fair. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go on tours for easy. But like the way that people glamorize tour life and touring and stuff is way, they make it seem way cooler than it actually is on the side of like you're going to all of these venues and stuff. And it's like, yeah, you're just like in a room in the back. Yeah. Like the venue itself where the stage is and where the audience is, is beautiful. Back stage at most of these places is really shakily. It's like, Rickety, it's like the bathroom is always really gross. And then you're like, you have to do laundry, right? Yeah. And it's just constant fucking dance of like who's doing laundry? Or you're doing laundry? Yeah. And then they forgot to fucking put it in the dryer. Oh no. And then you're like, fuck sake, man. I just want to do my lawn. God damn it. It's a really cool experience, but it's not like glamorous. No, no, no. But yeah, and then we, I remember we were touring with respect to do good kid a lot. And they were really talented. And they would do to us, but they would do it out of like a sprinter van. Yeah. Like the whole school, yeah, maybe like, yeah, we'd all just kind of crush in this van and sleep in it. I was like, dry fuck me. Yeah. That's not very rock and roll, but I guess it is. Yeah, it's very, very close. That's the most, yeah. That's the most, yeah. You're all the stuff very fucking comfortable. I think I'm going to go up and get fucked this. Did you guys like sleeping on the bus? I love sleeping on the bus. Yeah, I actually got the best sleep in my life. I got. Yeah, same. You just get rock to sleep every night. Yeah. Also, thank God American roads are just straight for so long. There's a note that you don't realize how little turns you do. Yeah. You're not liking the mountains, like going through these mountains, the sroids or anything. Yeah, it's America is truly built for touring. Yeah. It's like perfectly built. And then most one time where we had a show in Seattle and we were just like, fuck it, I'm just going to fly to Seattle and skip two days of traveling and hang out in Seattle. And that was really nice too. What did you guys think of the Midwest in America? I mean, I'm biased because I'm married to a person girl. This is like a question and an argument that Americans have. And when I talk to like our friend Pete who's from Kansas is Kansas Midwest, do you consider that? It is. That's pretty Midwest. I feel like I feel like when a lot of people talk about Midwest, they are thinking of the Chicago Minnesota, Ohio, Indiana, that circle. Michigan, not including the Kansas. I mean, Kansas. Right on the, I feel like some people include it. I think technically it is, but when I talk to some people, they don't include it. So yeah, it's, it's like right on the line of Midwest and South. Yeah. Yeah. But I like like Minnesota. I like Michigan and all these places that, they're really fun. I think that every, every place, obviously, like we were talking about before has great little pockets, but it is crazy going on tour and being in middle America. And going to a new venue every day and being like, why don't we just hear? Like so many towns look exactly the same. Oh, I mean, we started in the Midwest on our tour. Like we started in Minnesota and went to like, you know, we did like the Chicago show and the Ohio show and stuff like that. And yeah, those first until basically we got to New York, I'm just like, am I like, is this like ground and fog day? Like this looks exactly the same. The New York one is crazy. Because the bus driver, like time square. Yeah, time square. What venue do you remember? We don't remember. I assume it was the same one way they do the same company. One way they do the one-king shows all the time. That's sick. Yeah. I think it was. I think it was right next to it. Was it next to it? Yeah. Because I think our stage was quite small. I remember being, it was an abacement. Was yours an abacement? It might have been so I did. It was, I can't remember. It had two names. I don't remember which one it currently goes by. It was either the palladium or the PlayStation theater. It was like a palladium. I think palladium. I knew that that's a name of sounds. It was like kind of basement. It was trippy. I remember it was in the green room and it was like this really dimly lit dark room. It was like a box. Yeah. Everything was so weird. It was like we were in a city underneath New York in this giant basement complex. Yeah. And then you got signed it's time square and you're like, this is weird. Yeah. Was your New York show really rowdy? Oh, yes. Oh my god, yeah. It was one of the most rowdy. Yeah. All I remember from the New York show was that. At one point the crowd just wouldn't stop chanting rats. Yeah. I remember that. It's like rats, rats, rats. They got warringly passionate about rats. Yeah. New York show was one of my favorites. Yeah. New show's great energy. And then just like I remember just the feeling of walking out of that show and you know, there'd be like a couple of people maybe like outside of the boss and just it was such a weird feeling of this, this boss just slowly coming out of the venue parking lot and into time square. I'm just like, what the fuck is my life right now? Yeah. You like parking the bus in like time square. Like on the street. Like and I was like, this is ridiculous. And I asked the guy, so he'd this guy never spoke at all. And I tried to occasionally have conversations with him. But it's like talking to that one uncle that you had who's like, he'll give you a laugh at bass, but he will never engage with you. 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That's Shopify.com slash trash back to the episode. Let me have that in the middle. Hey, so I put the red ball in the engine. That's where you wanted it. Hey, that was cool though. I enjoyed it as an experience, but it's just definitely not something I would eat. It was cool once in a lifetime. We did twice in a lifetime. Yeah, we were. You were such a different vibe. Yeah, yeah. I enjoyed touring Europe a lot, because I like a lot of American cities. Every city you went to in Europe did feel vastly different from the previous. But also, I think the main issue when we were in America, sometimes we were in Philadelphia. We were so far out on the outskirts of Philadelphia that getting into Philadelphia was like an hour. Yeah. And at that point, it's like no one wants to go into town because our show is in three hours or four hours. And it's like those were the days that it was like traveling blows because we just couldn't go into the city. In Europe, all the venues are in the city. Yeah. So you'd always be like, I mean, I'm in Oslo, I'm going to go terminate, walk to this. So so. Yeah, I was a little bit nervous. I mean, I remember like, you know, when we did the Cleveland, Ohio show, yeah, very similar to Oslo. Yeah, very much. Very similar. Yeah. Remember, I was like, I remember I like, I woke up and it's like, oh, okay, we're here. And I walk outside and I'm like, it I was like, is this like a cod zombies map? Like, where's the venue? What shocked me was how many how many buildings had like boarded up windows? Yeah. Everything had a boarded up window. I was like, this is sad. And you know, was the saddest part? It was my fucking birthday. Oh, I celebrated my birthday, Cleveland, Ohio, of all places. That's how that Cleveland, I'm so glad that that happened, honestly. That's so what year was it? 20, as in, sorry, as in how old were you, journey? 28, I think. Yeah. It's like you were 25 or like turning. And you know what, Joey, you're always gonna remember birthday now. Yeah. I got pied in the face. Yeah. What'd you do for your 27th birthday, Joey? I don't know. Exactly, exactly. He doesn't know. Yeah. Probably your shit face. Yeah. And you know what? You will always remember your 28th birthday being celebrated in Cleveland, Ohio. Oh, yeah. And that is a special birthday. But I'm grateful. Joey doesn't care about you. Listen. I also hated that when we would announce the tickets and stuff and they'd be like, you know, the shows and sound too well, you're gonna push it. I'm like, fuck, fuck. I'm like, like stressful the idea of like having to push the show and sell it. Yeah. Cause they, you know, you kind of have to, your whole thing becomes about the tour, even before you're on the tour. It's like, the next guys guys go to buy these tickets, buy these tickets, buy the tickets. And you're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. I don't want to, like, to promote this and not. I don't want to like shove it down people's thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a really hard thing for me to where I felt like I was being this weird chil for myself. Yeah. Yeah. I was just, and like some people did comment about it being annoyed that I was putting like a tour promo before every video. Yeah, because the people who already said they're not gonna see it are like, I don't want to see this. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like a t-shirt that I can buy anywhere in the world. Yeah. But I think it's like, it is an important thing to be like, hey, made a thing that I'm really excited about. Yeah. Yeah. Please come. Yeah. But yeah, some people got really upset. That was really annoying to me was, and I do understand, but people being like, you're going to this city and this city and this city. Why are you coming here? And it's like, I didn't make the list. Yeah. I'm not the one that's choosing the cities. Yeah, we did a Europe tour and we only went to like Western Europe really. And people were like, that's not a Europe tour. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, technically it's not, but you know, these tour companies, they often take your analytics from YouTube and alike. Here's where you're probably gonna sell. Yeah. And the cities that they choose, you don't only sell out, it might be like 60% capacity or 50% in a certain place. And it's just like normal tour routing where it's like, this is kind of just where everybody is the easiest like line to go through. Yeah. Because it's like proven that people will come to these specific places. Totally. What were some of your favorite cities to tour in? Um, I really loved going to New York for sure. That was really cool. The crowd there was really, really, really rowdy. Yeah. I was like a little overly rowdy. Like there were parts of the show where I had to, and I think that some people in the audience thought I was joking where I'd be like, hey guys, please stop talking. And they would just continue to yell. And I'm like, okay, I understand that you're excited and you like want to participate. But also at the same time, if you're just yelling the whole time, then I can't do anything. New York was really fun. Um, I really liked Chicago a lot. That was where I did the first show. Yeah. Or the Tesser Show was there. Chicago was just like one of my favorite cities. And I'm like, we just started in Chicago. I love Chicago. No, we started in, we started in Chicago. Then we went to Chicago. Yeah. I guess that's how it bested it routes. Because you don't drive over that Montana. I started in Toronto. That was the first. Toronto is cool. I really enjoyed Toronto. Yeah. I did like Canada bookings. So I started in Toronto and then ended in Vancouver. I think we were initially going to do. Yeah, we were going to do Vancouver recently. The people of Vancouver. But we ended up, I think we were like, this is one too many shows. Because I think they wanted us to do like 33. Yeah. And we cut it down to like 25, yeah, five, six, all that. It was just like, it was like the two months felt really daunting. And the month and a half felt like, I think I can manage this. I'm glad we did a month and a half because that show, I remember being tired. Yeah, that was like, and I remember someone came after me. Something happened after me. Someone came after me. Someone after the show came after me was like, yeah, you were yawning a lot. You may come way to go home and I was like, no, I don't want you to think that I was fucking bored or tired. Yeah, but I was tired because I've done fucking 26 shows in 30 fucking days. Yeah, it's a lot. It's very tiring. Did you guys ever go to Colorado? Yes, we did. I flooded my hotel room. Oh, yeah. Tell me about that. Well, I was playing TFT and I left the bath running and I was about to hit diamond. And I just, I was completely zoned out and I just let the bath over on. I literally literally came to him and I was like, fuck yes. And then I went, I jumped up. I saw my carpet was black. And I was like, shit. So immediately started fucking getting toilet paper, fucking useless towels trying to pat it down. Then I heard the. I'm like, sir, is everything okay? No. And then they had to get me like another room and then I was like, are we chilled? Do I have to pay for anything? They were like, no, it's fine. Oh, you're lucky. Yeah, I got you. Yeah. They were like, you've ruined not only your room, the room below you. I was like, oh, sorry. Because of a TFT match. Because of a TFT match. Unbelievable. Yeah. So I have, I have scary memories of that. Of Colorado. That one moment where you see the flawed and you're like, yep, like instant panic. You're like, yeah. But then we went off of food and it's pretty good actually. Yeah. But I like Colorado city. It was it was a fun city. When I was in Colorado, someone on my tour, I was on stage. And then someone, one of their friends was in the audience and texted her and was like, hey, just want to let you know that I can see Ethan doing wipits side stage. And she was like, oh, he has like the little oxygen thing because the air's super thin and like when you go to like super high elevation, and you're just there for a day, your body can't adjust that quickly. So I was like running out of breath. So they had these like little oxygen things. So I would go side stage like in between bits and just like take a hit of oxygen, but they thought that I was doing wipits. He called way. And then there was another city where I was super congested and there was, they had just like nasal spray side stage and the same thing happened where someone thought that I was doing coke side stage. I'm ready. I'll just flow. Nice. It's coming. What a fucked up. I'm really really ready to go. How was it then after your tour and then going back to doing YouTube to feel different was it? Yeah, I definitely like felt a little sad because I really loved touring a lot. And I felt like kind of like similar to Eunice Honours, where it was like, I'm around people all the time. And it is kind of a collaborative thing to be on tour and you're all working together. Yeah. Then you're just suddenly, it's funny how it goes from wow, I have no alone time at all to suddenly I'm completely alone in this shift has happened way too fast. Yeah. Yeah, I was definitely kind of sad after tour. I really liked it a lot. Yeah, it was kind of hard to readjust for a moment because you're like, damn, I've just been in front of people all this time. I don't know how to put on a show. I don't know. But I think you quickly readjusted me. You have to. Yeah. Yeah. But it was fun taking some of the skills from doing stage stuff into doing like live streaming or YouTube. Yeah. I learned so much about like not just like myself, but also just like how to like perform in front of even just a camera. Yeah. You know, and like the way I talk and the way I like movement, movement, and stuff. Yeah. Like it was it was I think it's how to like convey your energy to a crowd as well. Yeah. To our controls in general. Totally. Yeah. There's a lot of useful skills. I'm really glad I did it. Yeah. Like I said, like I said, it was just like, all right, I done it twice. That's that's good for me. I'm just being a fun of a camera now. I think the European one was fun for us because at least our family got to come. Yeah. Those friends. Like I think that was a really big plus because in America, it's like, you know, I mean, obviously friends in LA and other places, but not the same, right? When it's yeah, do you guys have any worst memories from tour? Everyone always talks about the best thing. Most memories, the worst things that happened. There are a couple of days when you just wake up and you're like, man, I feel so unhealthy. And I just want to either like walk a ton or eat something that's healthy. So many fast food chains were destroyed. We could all eat fast food. Eat a complete fast food. Yeah. I felt disgusting. Well, I missed a healthy meal. God, I needed a salad so bad. I think my worst memory though was, I mean, I, there was like one show that I got like really ill for, I think. I wasn't like for that. Was it like the Florida show or something? And I woke up, had like a high fever. And I was like, no, the show must go on. So I was basically just dying in bed all day, like just like high on like title, or whatever. And I was just like, I was just like hyping async and just resting. And then I like conjured up all this energy for like a two hour show. And I just went back to the bus and I remember that actually. I don't know how I did that, honestly. I don't know why that brought. I was scared to watch. When they, when they, when you get on the tour bus, they just tell you like, they're like, you can't shit. You can't shit. Yeah. Little pee can't shit. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. Oh yeah. Gone had moments where like, like what was the one in like the middle of the night? Well, that was in Utah, I think, where I just, you know, I just woke up. Maybe it had to like some fucking spicy food oil, which is chipotle or something. And it was just like, you know, when you wake up and you're like, I need to go, I need to go now. But they were like, they put a fear of God in me. Like if I shit, it was going to be like a level like 10 disaster. Yeah. And it was like, you cannot shit no matter what. Being told you can't shit is so much worse than actually not being able to shit. And you know, it's like the most terrifying thing is waking up, knowing you need to shit, not knowing how close and there's gas station is because you're in fucking America. Yeah. In England, it's like, okay, there is a certain time period where you know there is a toilet coming up. I'm just like pouring to God. Well, like Japan, there's like a service area every like 20, 30 minutes at the least. Yeah. I'm just very regular. I've always pooped the same time of the day. Yeah. I had to learn to not be regular on tour. Yeah. I was like, yeah. I was like, did you have to go to the bus? I remember me like, I have to shit so much. Yeah. I did. And he was like, all right, it's going to be 20 minutes. I was just like, that's 10 minutes more than what my mind says I am willing to do. But I am going to try. You got a bucket liner anyway. I noticed myself. Do you guys know about the Dave Matthews tour bus poop story? Yeah. I was just going to shit all over a bunch of people on a boat. They emptied shit into a canal as a boat was passing by. Yeah. No, I really like the way that you just were in a day. Dave Matthews is going to send shit on a bus. Just shit on a bus. You're being shit on them. Over the bridge. Yeah. Is this why you can't shit on the bus now? I don't know. I know. I think we all got told the same story. But I don't know if it's actually true or if it was one of those like urban legends. I think it was just the bus driver didn't want to have to deal with empty. Nobody can get on the bus. Yeah, because you have to empty out the septic tank and do a whole thing. If they should, man. Yeah, so I think it's just way more work. Right. Because the key you just, you just, yeah, over a bunch of people. Over a bunch of people. Yeah, it's part of some people learning that. That's a golden shower of people. Also, like when you'd know when the septic tank wasn't empty because like they were the bus tank. Oh, yeah. Now add shit to that. You guys have stinky bus. I mean, sometimes like we, like, especially at the end of the day when, you know, people have been pissing in it. Like multiple people have been pissing in it. Like every now and then I'd walk into the toilet. Be like, oh, did you guys have a fun? What? Shooter or what? No. On my bus. Shooters lying around. No, we did have a shooter. On my bus, we had a big drawer and then walk in and take their shoes off and then put it in the drawer and quickly close it. So then the whole bus is like, I think we all tried to have like not wear shoes, but then I think it quickly popped. Really? I don't remember that at all. I just remember the back, the back room where we just put everything and that was like, yeah, we just have like this room in the back where we like chill. You can look, if you look online for like two buses, you'll see there's like backrooms, but we just think that putting them all shit in there. Yeah, just became a storage. Yeah. Yeah. We had that as a hangout room because not every one of our bunks was filled. So we had a couple. I think we had two bunks that all of our shit was just in the bunk. Oh, that's nice. I think we had almost pretty much a whole bunch of beautiful, beautiful buns. I remember Aaron, obviously from Game Grumps came to our Texas show and he was like, hey, you want to go Jim? Because I think he heard that I wanted to go exercise. I was like, fuck yeah, I'd love to. I don't know why. I had an espresso right before I worked out and then Aaron was training for his boxing at the time. Yeah. And so I was keeping up with his like his cardio and he was doing the whole sprinting, stopping sprinting and I was like, okay, keeping up with this. But then while we're halfway through doing the muscle exercise, I was like, oh, I think I'll throw up. He's like, no, you'll be fine. And I can't work it out. And then in the fucking bathroom, vomiting like crazy. I thought you were going to say that you shit yourself. Why are you working out? I thought I got that thing where you run and you push yourself a little too much. And then I didn't immediately stop working out so that my body was like, that's throw up time. Yeah. I did it from the coffee and the couple. And so that was that I didn't tell him because I was like, I don't want to tell my throw up. You were like, I don't want to disappoint Aaron. I wanted to point it out. I'm going to be so cool. I didn't want to this point. And then I was like, I had fucking, I was keep working out. Sorry, my back's still working out after the rowing up after like 10 minutes of being in there and getting those like flash sweats. Yeah. You know, when you have to throw up and then you feel instantly better and 10,000. Yeah. All right, back to throwing walkouts. That's terrible. Oh, it does. He's still not know. I think I told him afterwards. I think I told him like a couple of days later. It's like you pussy, man. I think you did make a fun of me and I was like, rightfully shut. I think like I would have made fun of my tears. I was just worried about this point of the way. I don't know why. I don't know why I thought you were. I don't know why. I think I already spoken like twice. I was like, I don't want to think I was a fucking weirdo. No, I get that with Aaron. He is kind of a fatherly figure. Yeah, he is. I don't want to disappoint him. That is true. I want to. Yeah, I want to this point. Can you imagine Aaron Hansen being disappointed in you? That makes me feel really upset. I really don't like thinking about that. I want Aaron to be disappointed. Yeah, that is true. He's so chill. Yeah. And he's been on the insta for, you know, one of the few people that's been on the insta for a long time. Longer than all of us. Oh, yeah. Fucking hell. Over two decades, at least. Yeah. Yeah. Game Grumps is the reason that I started YouTube. Yeah, same. Big reason. Yeah, it was a big reason. Yeah. Well, Joyce just made his own and Grink game. Yeah, he did. Yeah, we were talking about that. Yeah. Yeah. So fun. Yeah. I have a question for you, boy. Sure. Okay. Joey knows this. I've only watched one anime. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'm not even anymore because you haven't. We watched another one together at your house, remember? Not the full thing. Not the full thing, but almost. Like two thirds. We watched a bit of Attack on Titan. Yeah. We watched like 10 episodes of Attack on Titan. Yeah, but how many episodes of Attack on Titan? Quite a lot. Quite a lot. Yeah. Four seasons. Yeah. We didn't even, we got through maybe one season. No, not even half a season. Yeah. So I can't say that up. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So what is the, the anime you watched? One punch man, but now I haven't seen it all because season three is out. I have a question. You don't need to watch season two. I don't feel the need to. You definitely don't, you don't need to just keep on, keep on those memories. What's your question? My question is because I'm on the definitive anime podcast with no real opinions. Sure. Yes. What is the perfect introductory anime, do you think? For somebody that doesn't watch any anime? Well, I've seen all of one piece. No, I've read all of one piece. Actually, that's a lie. I'm one arc behind, which is two years of content. I own all the volumes at home. I just haven't gone through it yet. I've read probably like two thirds of it. One piece is a journey. I would say Attack on Titan is honestly a pretty good gay, gay anime. I'd say so. That's nice. That's pretty easy. Yeah. Pretty iconic. Kind of eases you into some of the animeisms. Yeah. The real question I should be asking is what are some of your favorite TV shows? All like liveies. All movies. I really like... So, I don't watch a lot of TV. I watch a lot of movies, but I don't watch a lot of TV. But when I do watch TV, it's mostly stuff that is sort of the real-er-e-drama. Like Severance I loved because the whole time I was like, fuck what's happening? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say Death Note. Yeah, Death Note. Death Note is something that's, you know, it takes one episode to hook you in and it's like a thrill ride. The entire time essentially. So one where he's got the note in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The death happens. Yeah. That is it. Hell. Hell. Yeah, that's the name. You know the main character's name? Is there... Am... Is there a reason why you... I'm sure the internet and so much of the internet is like anime. Yeah. Especially now and then. Yeah. And then if one of the tried out get into it. Not really. I think, okay. A little bit actually. I think one of the biggest things that has happened with anime is one there's so much anime. I mean, that's like anything ever. Yeah. So many people have been like, you need to watch this anime and this anime and this anime. And it feels very daunting. It was, it's similar to before I watched it, my thoughts on Game of Thrones where it felt like a really huge thing to get into and it was going to be really overwhelming. So even though I kind of joked about it, people being like, oh, you should watch one piece. It's like, I know that I'm never going to watch one piece because there's so many episodes and I'm like, I want to just... Yeah, I appreciate it. Two... Two daunting. Yeah. Nolting task. That's fair. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to avoid anime now. It's weird because obviously 10 years ago, whatever, it was just like, oh, you watch anime, then you're like a proper anime fan. Nowadays, I would say on the same level, it's just recommending the hottest new show that's airing off the year most of the time. What's the most overrated anime right now? Right now? Is that a bad question to ask you guys? Are you going to eat for it? Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, yeah, but I feel nowadays you can say any opinion about any show and you'll get heat for it. Yeah. Just like me saying that I like Japan. Yeah, exactly. You're getting really angry. Yeah, Japan is kind of like the... That's the anime of the country world. Yeah. Where people are like, you're a Japan staff? Yeah. Overrated. Or alternatively. What is the show that people really love? The anime that people really love that each of you are like, I don't like that show. Stupid. I mean, for me, it's a music, I said. I don't even think it's bad. I just think it's fine. Yeah. Yeah, but it's just, it's not for me. It's fine. It's fine. You can't say it's fine. You can't say it's fine. It's fine. It's this generation's bleach. It's fine. Oh. No. You know, I'm right. It's this generation's bleach and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just not for me, personally. I agree. I'm amazing. Thank you. I don't know. About you guys. Man, I was an oceano-coe. I hate it from day one. You were. Oh, shit. I called it. Did I not? What? Oceano-coe was going to fall off hard. I said it day one. I mean, yeah. It fell off hard. The month of year. We didn't have a fell on for you, though. No, because after episode one, it just lost the plot, bro. You didn't know we only wanted the tell. Oceano-coe was very popular. One, it was you might have heard the opening songs very, very popular. The idol opening. You might have heard it if you're a man. I'm going. I fucking ate that. That's the one thing I hate about Oceano-coe is that opening. It's a great opening. You hate it? It's so annoying. Why is it annoying? It's such an annoying song. Bro, it's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. No, it's a great song. I'm going to be a firm Hayda here. It's 10 times down. I think that song is so annoying. It's a great idea. What's the thing about it? It's just two like poppy and chaotic. It's at the point where it's just like, it's one of those songs where it's like, you know, every now and then you'll hear a song. Wait, you're like, I will hear a song every now and then. When you hear a song, right? It's one of those songs where you listen to it and you're like, I don't really like this all that often and I can't get it out of my head. Yeah. 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Okay, so it's basically the best way I can describe it. It's basically the black mirror version of the Japanese entertainment industry. So it's the darker side of what goes on behind the scenes and the jazz. Like, like TV actors, musicians, or even YouTubers use for a second. I was like black mirror version of V-tubers. Yeah, I mean, I know, yeah. Yeah, I know, yeah. Let's play it too. All right. You can hear it. Oh, I hate this song. I'm going to say something that people might find very offensive. You're right. But I'm going to say, the... This song sounds like a song that PewDiePie would have made in like 2016. Just the way that the beat comes. It sounds like something that Felix made in 2016 when he was in his filthy prank. Like, it's not necessarily bad. But I'm just like, oh yeah, like I understand why you don't like it. But I can also understand why somebody would like it. It was catchy. Yeah. It's just like, it's just like, bitch, lasani was catchy. Yeah, it was catchy. It was very catchy. I want to say it was a good song. It was catchy. Oh, no. What are we working with right now? Let me know if you guys agree. No. You're going to get a sweat. Sorry, guys. What's in this? Sorry. Yeah. So, so that one's bad. The show is great. I really like the show. No, the show is not great. I really like the show. I like the show. Yeah. The show is great because basically is a darker look at, you know, behind the scenes of Japanese intersting ministry, which includes like, shit like online hate and cancel culture. And I think that I think that's pretty interesting. It's all like my favorite anime. Yeah. But I think it tackles some pretty interesting topics. I think they tackled it in an appropriate way too. Yeah. You know, they didn't like over dramatize it too much like. For me. Yeah. For me. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, there's that as well. But I think like the, I really liked it for the topics it tackled. Yeah. And they did it in, in my opinion, they did it in very mature way. Yeah. But I think the reason Connid didn't like it and which I totally understand is that it's very anime. And I did you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like it leads into a lot of the tropes and stuff like that. Yeah. Like there are some anime where you watch and it feels very grounded and the characters. Sorry? The second type. Yeah. Like the character feel very grounded. I'm so sorry. I legitimately heard you just say like, hand tie. That's some hand tie that's a grab. I mean, they give me pretty ground. He got an awesome hand tie. Okay. Are there hand tie that you would genuinely recommend where it's like, well, yeah, it's this porn and stuff, but it's really good. I mean, I'm joking it to this stuff. I'm not watching it for the story. Mr. Mr. Ethan. I'm not a jerk. That's kind of like asking, like, what's your favorite porn video? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, what's your favorite porn part? You know what I mean? Like, you're like, a porn, you're watching the story. Like, you won't be doing it. No, I'm not a jerk. I'm not a porn agent. I was halfway through back door slats 9 and I just, I just shitted it. I just couldn't have been a beautiful. I just had to put my pocket away. The acting in this is just so boring. It's so sorry to ever give you without 9. I'm so sorry. You're so funny. Okay, wait. So is there an anime that you're like, uh, it's kind of shit that everybody loves? Shit. Is there? Oh, I'm trying to think about. I'm trying to think. I don't know if you've had, you find the appreciation in anime. Do you guys think that you have good taste in anime? I have. I have. I have. I think that's good. I have. That is good or bad. I feel. Yeah. Okay. I have an answer for the most overrated. Yeah. Recently, I think, um, if that can be used as one, even though I personally like the show, the amount of it has been praised to high heaven and back, uh, solo leveling. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it is watched it, but I agree with you. It is, it is a, it is a three episodes and I was like, I can see why people like this. It is a great show for kind of like, you know, Tony or brain off action. Mm-hmm. Does action great? Um, and then it is winning awards left right in center for like anime of the year, beating out some very highly acclaimed shows simply because it's very, very popular. Yeah. Um, so that's, that's my answer. Good answer. What's the ice skating one? Yurion ice. Yeah. God. Deep cut. I don't know. There's that. And then there's one. I don't know. I know a lot of, I don't know. No, I know. I know. I know what you know. Yeah. Wait. Hold on. Did you show me your ear, I think Aki might have shown you your an ice and it was around the time where I had that Uran ice controversy. You're a Uran ice. Yeah. I was so funny. Yeah. I was so funny. I was so funny. I, so basically I did a very short segment in a video where someone asked me about Uran ice and I was like, eh, I don't really like it. Yeah. You know, I had my reasons for it. I was like, I get why people like it. People took that as, oh, Joey's homophobic. Okay. So I wasn't going to say this, but that was a job. Is that Joey's homophobic? No. No, in my brain I was like, isn't there a gay ice skating one? Yeah, that's very nice. Yeah. I know why I'm wearing a white one. Yeah. Because didn't Octopim do, uh, yes, he did. No, he did. He did. Oh, no, no, that's free. He does, that's another one. Oh, that's the swimming one. That's the swimming one. Yeah. That's a fucking throwback. They only shit 50% off. 15% off. Yeah. That's what we just, yeah. I was going to. I know a lot of sports ones, I guess, because I do know a free. Yeah. Yeah, we are nice. And then. Yeah, we are not. I mean, that's a situation. Yeah. It's not wrong. It's great show. It's great show. Yeah. It's a good show. I mean, you're not wrong. It is, yeah, we are nice. Yeah. And then. High cue. The volleyball. Oh, yeah, is that one? I've never seen it. Yeah, that's one. It's good. I've heard it's incredible. What's the, what's the really popular boxing one? Because I did. I'm going to eat them. Yeah, I did watch some episodes of that when I was training for a creator. Oh, my God. Yeah, because a bunch of people like you should watch that show. It's good. Oh, yeah. I didn't finish it. I forgot you did credit clash. I mean, how was all of that? It was so, like, it was very good, but it was so much work. It was, it was a lot. Because how much training did you have to do for that? Also, how did you even get into it? Like, how did this all come out? I, how did I get into it? Oh, I got into it because I was asked to be in the first one. And I couldn't do it because I was on tour. Oh, my God. And so there was a part of me and I'm so glad that I didn't do it. But I almost was like, yeah, I'll do it and then just fly from wherever I'm touring and go and do the fight and then fly back. No. And then I was like, I don't think I can do that. You can come to stage next day, purple. Yeah. And I'm just concussed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was supposed to be in the first one and then I wasn't able to do it. When they did the second one, they pulled me back in. But yeah, I trained for nine months. There's a lot. And how many hours a day were you training full? So in the first two months, probably, I was only training like three or four days a week. And then the last couple of months was the fight camp or whatever. When it's like, okay, now you've learned all your stuff. Now we have to just like hone everything and get ready for the fight. So that was the last, he was the last two months was twice a day, six days a week. Twice a day? Holy fuck. It was, it was a lot. What would that kind of day look like? So I would, I wasn't boxing technically twice a day, but I was training. Yeah. I was almost training three times a day because I would go and do a boxing lesson and they were, they were usually around an hour. And then I would do boxing and then I would go for a run and then I would lift in the after. Oh my god. Jesus. So were your whole like, you spent like just like a couple months and just only doing that. Yeah. Which like, that's the thing that people don't think about is when you're training that much, you actually don't have energy to do anything else because once you're done training, your body just like shuts off. Yeah. Because also like, not only do you, you legitimately have to rest or else you won't be able to do anything, but the amount of food that you have to eat is crazy. Oh, it is. The protein should. Yeah, you just have to eat so much protein. And I had to, this isn't true for everybody because some people had to cut a lot of weight, but I had to gain, uh, I had to gain 10 or 15 pounds. Oh my god. Which I didn't know in the beginning because in the beginning, I didn't know who was fighting it. And then I started training and I lost, I lost 20 pounds. Holy shit. And then I had to gain like 10 or 15 back. Jesus. Yeah. So the eating part kind of sucked. And then the day of the weigh in, I drank like three gallons of water because I had to gain weight. Yeah. I had to, I had to gain seven pounds. Oh my god. Seven pounds underway in the morning. And I came in, I came in like four and a half pounds, I think underweight, but you're allowed to be within five pounds of each other. Like barely Jesus. Barely made it. Um, I scary. Yeah. It was fun. I got much of the face a bunch. Who was your opponent again? Leon Hart who's a Pokemon YouTuber. Yeah. It was fun. It was a lot of work. I would like maybe do something like that again, but it's just like, I don't know, it's kind of similar to touring where you just, you do it and when you're in it, you're in it. And then afterwards, you're like, oh, how the fuck did I do that? Like, it was so much. Yeah. It was so much work. It was so tired, but it was super boring. It was really. Yeah. Damn. I mean, I feel like that you've kind of had that like very stoic mentality ever since I've known you because like, you know, when you were still doing like, let's play stuff, like, you are playing fucking two videos a day every day. Yeah. But like everybody was doing it back then. Yeah, but still, like, you were pretty fucking consistent with that. Like, you were doing that for several years. Like, I was doing one video a day for two years. And even then, that was like a huge strain on me. But that was back when you didn't really have to do anything, you know, in the good old days. We talked about this the other night where I was like, you know, you're doing two videos a day, but it was back when like, especially with gaming videos, you're basically just kind of cutting a video. You're not actually like editing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. How many weeks of work of, sorry, how many weeks of videos would that be in like normal YouTube? Oh, months. That's years. That's a big, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We used to be like 30 minutes, right? You'd cut it down to, uh-huh. Yeah. I guess it would normally be like probably like, I don't know, like 50 minutes, trans over the 30 minutes of, yeah. I do it on best buds. We do 15 minute episodes. So we can sit and do like a four, five hour recording. That's like six miles worse. But YouTube's changed, man. You can't, no one wants parts, no one wants that. Yeah. It makes me a little sad. What do you guys think of the current status of YouTube in just like content creation online? It's, I mean, I'll, I'll be real. Um, it's been a while since I discovered a new creator that I really enjoy. It's, it's normally, it's for, for the longest time, you know, you go on YouTube and every year you discover like this new creator doing like content that's, uh, that is exciting and new. Um, and now it's just like, damn, it's been like a few years and I'm still watching the same creators, uh, that are doing the same kind of content. Yeah. And I'm not like refilling my stash with like new creators that are doing new stuff because everything is in like shorts now, you know, yeah. Most of the people who are getting the shorts, but also a lot of companies are getting into YouTube now. Yeah. And they have like full on production teams that are pumping out very YouTube feeling videos and, and having a lot of success. And it's very odd because you know, like this is strange, but they're not, it's not the same as like, you know, like a Michael Reeves or something. Yeah. It's very different. It's a weird double edged sword where it's like, okay, you would inherently want a platform that you're on to progress and for people to learn a lot and, you know, get bigger and bigger. But also it's like, oh, now it's starting to feel a little too much like traditional median. We're losing that like homegrown sense of like the way that YouTube was so attractive for such a long time because it was, oh, I don't need to have a million dollars to make a video like you would with movies. It's just someone recording stuff in their bedroom. And so it's super accessible. And now it feels a little less. I think that's where like a live streaming has kind of taken that spot. It's like become the, the avenue. Because I think YouTube is so competitive and difficult to get to cement yourself. Yeah. Right. I feel like live streaming is the only way. And a lot of these people are doing it at the extent of like their own life. Yeah. They're like, they'll, they'll put everything out there and do some pretty crazy shit. Yeah. Yeah. I wish you guys favorite YouTube rewinds. Was was was the era? What's the era of YouTube that you think is the best? I'm here asking about our favorite YouTuber, not YouTube. No, no, no, it's it's all about which ones you remember. Like because because there's an era of you like they're the little era of YouTube rewinds is gone now. Yeah. You know, the head one that was fucking like I think it was the Gangnam style. Yeah. And they met a good one. Oh, yeah. One of the earlier ones is. Yeah. The problem is when the platform gets too big, you just can't. Yeah. You celebrate the whole platform. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it was like, you know, you know, the YouTube rewinds were cringe back then, but at least you recognized you recognized the cringe. Yeah. I mean, you're in one of them. Yeah. I was in two of them. What? Which, okay. So remember earlier when I was like, yeah, Mark called me up and I moved to LA. Yeah. The first day that I was there. So I flew in the evening before the next morning me and him and like two or three other people went and filmed YouTube rewind. And because he's Mark, he was like, Hey, you be in it. And they're like, yeah, sure. So that was my first day in Los Angeles was being on set for YouTube rewind. Which year was this? Which 2016? 2016. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then he like pulled me aside and he was like, just let you know, this is not what every day is going to be like. Yeah. Like don't have your eyes. Put your standards down. Yeah. We're going to Buffalo Wildaway. It's right now. To the level of the sound. Yeah. That was a really, really funny first day. I was like, wow, moved to LA. And it was also on, it wasn't the universal lot, but it was on like a huge studio lot. Yeah. And so I was like, wow, like real Hollywood set with all this crazy stuff in them. And YouTube rewind did the first day that I'm here. That's crazy. Yeah. That was crazy world. Yeah. That was still when Felix was like the face of YouTube rewind was totally. Yeah. Yeah. I think it ends with him at the beach, like picking it up or something, right? Yeah. That sounds right. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Because the year after that was the Will Smith. Oh, that's hot. Okay. Are you sure? Honestly, honestly, remember that? He was crunched back then. It's a lot of butt down. That was the show. That was a lot of butt down. That was a lot of butt down. That was a lot of butt down. That was a lot of butt down. It was a mix of bad, but still like a cultural, like culturally so fucking memorable. Now it's kind of nostalgic. Yeah. And then the next time we saw Will Smith in any like YouTube or like meme capacity was that fucking horrible AI Will Smithy spaghetti. Oh, I thought you were going to talk about him slapping Chris. Oh, well, that was a little bit off the street. Oh, yeah. But before that, it was a horrendous like AI like Will Smithy spaghetti meme. And now it's become the benchmark of like how? Yeah. I guess so God, how far we've come? How far? How far we've followed? It's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. How many do you actually recognize just from being on the internet? Do you recognize any? Do you recognize this guy? No, I don't recognize that guy. Recognize. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Recognize. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I recognize that wolf guy. You recognize the wolf guy? Yeah. Serious. I knew you were a furry. Did you ever watch any anime? I recognize this wolf guy. What is the wolf guy from? Beastars. Beastars. Beastars. That's a good anime. I did watch one episode of that. Oh, yeah. Great opening. Yeah. I recognize LeBron. Everyone's favorite anime. Yeah. LeBron. Thank you so much. Who else do I recognize? You know what that is? That's me. That's gone off. That's awesome. That's me. Yeah. All I notice. I've all the ones you could have recognized. I wasn't expecting fun beastars here. Yeah. Yeah. That's me. That's me. That's gone off. That's awesome. That's me. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. That's gone off. But that's not her usual form. No, she has a good. She's not real. You gotta say it. Of course she has. This is like a say it like that. I'm just saying. I'm just saying it like that. She's real to me. Okay, Joe. My favorite anime character. Yes. Mr. The head of head. Yes. So what's what's next for you? What are you? What are you? Are you working on what's? Yeah. What's what's because you kind of made like a small shift to your, I guess, channel or career where you've kind of just like I don't want to say like dropped expectations, but like also just like kind of decided to just do whatever it is that you feel like you want to do it right? Yeah, because I stopped doing gaming stuff and now honestly when I come back from Japan I think I'm gonna start doing gaming stuff again. On my second channel. Hell yeah. Because I just really miss it a lot like I it got to a point where it got really monotonous just recording let's plays every single day and I Yeah, I got really bored of it, but now I really miss that because the stuff that I've been doing recently It's not like it's highly produced stuff, but most of it is me like going out and stuff and I kind of miss just Filming things like I can't remember the last time I filmed something at my desk So I really miss that a lot. So that is true. I also don't remember the last time I filmed something at my desk. I do a lot. Damn, can it be me? Damn. I can do a lot. It's easy. Yeah, I mean I have the stuff there. It's just that I haven't for some reason every time I'm like, oh I should film this little thing even for the second channel I'm like, I'll do it somewhere else just to change it up a little bit just to change it up even though I even though it's a different part of my house. So yeah, probably making some gaming stuff because I miss it. Let's go. I want to start streaming more just because it's fun. I bought a piano this year. And so in my free time I've been teaching myself piano. It's really fun. So you're in your side quest here, then. I love, I love a little side quest. I love a little side quest. You're in your learning different useful maybe useless maybe skills. Yeah. Yeah. Now if I was in the anime characters, going on all these side quests, what anime character would I be? Oh my god. Go cool. Let's take the engagement to the video. Leave a comment of which would I be the fucking guy from the furry thing? I mean I strive to be like that. Damn. I know. I want to be like that. Or would I be like Connor in the bubble with the bike? I'll take the bubble. Or would I be like, her with the rainbow? Oh. Have you been messing with that? It's a mom. I mean, I bet it literally all she is a mom. She's a mom. It's kind of her thing. She doesn't have a name. Her name's Mamako. Mamako. Oh. Yeah. Have you gone figurine shopping? Have you seen the generation? No, where? So you said that I should go. I'll go rock you. I'll go rock you. You said to stay away. Well, I didn't say stay away. I just say I hate it. And everything in my eye. No, I said, I said, I don't think you'll get a lot out of a car. Because it is now so anime soundtrack. I mean, like there's still parts of a car. That is still the kind of, because before it became like the anime city, it was known as the electric city. Because you'd be able to buy like really cool old and new tech there. Like that's what it was all about. But then now it's become more of like an anime mecca. Yeah. So if you're not interested in anime, then it's, you're pretty limited to what if I'm interested in cool old tech? Is it still there? I, in that case, I still think you better off going to knock on a Broadway. I think that's more interesting as just like a place to go shopping for weird cool stuff. Yeah. What do you hate anime? You're telling me not to go there. It's because you hate anime. No, I'm not. He does. He does. He's growing up to be an anime chalte. Yeah. Anime chalte. Anime chalte. Yeah. I do like figurines though. I have. Yeah. I mean, I don't have anime figurines. I have a bunch of figurines from different video games. Oh, well then you want to be able to find some stuff in archaeop official. Yeah. You don't count Funko pops as figurines, right? No. I had to do a thing a couple of years ago and it made me really sad that I had to do it. But every Christmas and every birthday my dad would get me Funko pops. And then at some point I had to be like, hey, I don't really like Funko pop. Like I really love the gesture and I understand why you would think that I would really like this thing. And I love that you gave me these but I don't want them anymore. I'm like, son, you like video games, right? Nice to have a thing to do. Like here you kind of like one thing and only give you that thing for the rest of your life. Yeah. That is true. Yeah, I was just like, I like figurines and stuff. I just don't like specifically Funko pops. Nice. So nice. So they're all the same and they're annoying. That's like the modern day era of like your parents going to get you a game console or something or a game or a game or a game or a game or a game or a game or something like that. Yeah, you took it well. Yeah, you took it well. What? He really likes figurines and stuff. Oh, really long time I would just get him cool and looking figurines. I thought I kind of hinted to him like, it's these that I want. These are the cool things. Yeah. So he doesn't, he doesn't do that anymore. He just makes me stuff now, which is. That's why he cool. That's why he cool. Yeah. Over at COVID he got super into 3D printing. Oh. So he made my tour poster as a sign that lights up and he like did all the wiring and stuff for it. That's cool. And he made, he's a really big beer guy. So he had a cagarrater and he made it into a Star Wars themed cagarrater where he 3D printed like the shell that goes around it and then airbrushed all of it. It like actually looks like it's out of the Star Wars set. Damn. So what is a cagarrater? Cagarrater is a mini fridge that has a keg on the inside and then the top has a tap. Oh. That's so sick. That's sick. What the fuck? At least he didn't 3D print your phone, girl. No. He did not. Oh, cagarrater. Here, while you do that, I'll pull up. Whoa. So what? He made that like a 3D printed one. No, no, so he bought a cagarrater and then he printed the shell. Yeah. Damn. That's cool. I'll find it. Like God's future home. Yeah, it is. Yeah, you need that in every man cave, I feel. This is so hot. This is the type of shit if you have like a fucking garage. Yeah. Yeah, which he did have a garage. He had this weird, he called it his kill room. Okay, hold on, wait. So he was doing all this airbrushing. So he just made all these walls and then like put the plastic over it, but it did look really bad because he was painting. Like an American psychos. Yeah, he was painting with a lot of red. So there was just like splatters of red all of them in place. That's sick. I'll have to find this later because I don't know where it shows. But it's really cool. He's very talented because he used to, he used to do a lot of 3D animation. So he already kind of like knew his way around 3D programs. I'm a spicy 3D modeling, right? Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, so we would model all the stuff and then he would print it and then that's how we got through COVID was just being in the garage. That's sick. Often those paint fumes making a little beer thing. That's sick. Yeah, but now every birthday he will just like make me a cool, he loves Star Wars. So he'll make me kind of like a Star Wars-y kind of space themed like light or just like a cool plaque. You have to be like, like, star wars. I hate star wars. I hate star wars. Yeah. Well, I mean, thanks for the things coming along. Yeah, man. Thank you so much for having me. Anything you want to shout out? Nope. Hey, we love these patrons. Point to the patron. That's one of my favorites. Oh my God. Oh my God. These were sucks. But that one's all right. But hey, if you want to join this list of patrons and support the show, then you can get on it over to patreon.com slash trash. That's what I want to shout out. I want to shout out the trash taste Patreon. You can go to patreon.com slash trash taste. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. You got it. And if you do that, then you get to watch exclusive patron only weekly videos as well. We have one that you can go check out right after this one. But hey, if you want to check that out and support the show in the process, head on over to patreon.com slash trash taste. Also, follow us on Twitter, send us your memes on the subreddit. If you had our face, listen to us on Spotify and go check out Ethan's stuff, links in the description. Thanks guys. Thanks for having me on the show. I love how we didn't get to talk about your Japan experiences. At all. Next time. Next time. Next time. Next time. You got to come back. When I come back, I will come back to Japan 10 years from now. I've got to gaslight you out here in 10 years. 10 years. Look at it. It's like a look disappointed in me. We will believe it when we see it. We will believe it when we see it. We will believe when we see it. We will see you next year. We will see you guys next week. Bye. Bye.