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Open Claw is Starting To Taking Over

13 min
Mar 25, 20262 months ago
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Summary

The hosts discuss OpenClaw's explosive growth on GitHub, surpassing major projects like Linux and React with unprecedented adoption rates. They demonstrate how AI tools like OpenClaw are being used to create social media content, analyze data, and automate business processes, while debating personal adoption strategies.

Insights
  • OpenClaw's growth trajectory is unprecedented, showing a straight vertical line rather than the typical hockey stick growth pattern of other major open source projects
  • AI-generated content using tools like OpenClaw can achieve significant engagement (56k views) even for technical business topics
  • Different business leaders adopt AI tools differently - some as power users, others through team delegation for security and efficiency reasons
  • AI tools are becoming increasingly integrated into existing workflows rather than standalone applications
  • The shift toward relationship-heavy, high-value deal-making reduces the applicability of automation tools for some business leaders
Trends
Exponential adoption of AI coding assistants in developer communitiesAI-powered content creation for B2B social media marketingIntegration of AI tools into existing business workflows rather than standalone adoptionGeographic concentration of AI tool adoption in Brazil and ChinaShift from direct AI tool usage to team-mediated implementation for security reasonsAI negotiation and deal management becoming mainstream business practiceAutomated relationship mapping and meeting scheduling based on travel and goalsAI-powered influencer outreach and partnership managementSecurity concerns driving enterprise adoption of corporate AI versions over consumer tools
Companies
GitHub
Platform where OpenClaw's explosive growth is being measured against Linux and React projects
Linux
Major open source project used as benchmark for comparing OpenClaw's growth trajectory
Facebook
Creator of React framework, another benchmark project surpassed by OpenClaw's growth
McKinsey
Consulting firm that conducted study showing 88% of companies use AI but only 6% get real value
OpenAI
Creator of GPT models referenced in AI IQ progression from 83 to 128 over three years
NVIDIA
Company developing secure enterprise version called Nemo Claw for corporate use
Perplexity
AI company mentioned as developing computer use capabilities similar to OpenClaw
Google
Company behind Gemini AI solutions that will integrate OpenClaw-like functionality
People
Jensen
Referenced as saying 'you can do more with more' regarding AI capabilities and partnerships
Andrew Warner
Podcast host who interviewed one of the speakers about AI implementation strategies
Heathen Shaw
Brother-in-law mentioned as heavy AI user who can't stop using the tools
Quotes
"Using only 20% of your business data is like dating someone who only texts emojis. First of all, that's annoying. And second, you're missing a lot of context."
HubSpot ad
"Open call. It's just like. It's just an eye. It's not even a hockey stick. It's just straight up a line going up for anyone who can't see."
Host
"AI went from an IQ of 83 to 128 in three years. Yours didn't."
Host
"The question isn't whether AI is smarter than you. It already is measurable ways. The question is whether you're using it or competing against it."
Host
"I talk to this more than I talk to anybody. And when I, when I'm pointing, I'm pointing my phone right now. I mean, my claw. All I talk to is Alfred."
Eric
Full Transcript
2 Speakers
Speaker A

Using only 20% of your business data is like dating someone who only texts emojis. First of all, that's annoying. And second, you're missing a lot of context. But that's how most businesses operate today, using only 20% of their data. Unless you have HubSpot, where all the emails, call logs and chat messages turn into insights to grow your business. Because all that data makes all the difference. I would know because I use HubSpot at my company. Learn more@HubSpot.com There's a chart where it shows like the number of GitHub stars, right? And it shows like, like two. I forgot what the two major GitHub things are. But OpenClaw is just like a line that comes out of nowhere and like surpasses them. Yeah, yeah. You know which country is crazy about it right now?

0:00

Speaker B

Brazil, China.

0:42

Speaker A

They literally. I saw, I saw like, it was like a park and everyone had their laptops out and they're on opencloth. Like, isn't that crazy?

0:44

Speaker B

That is crazy. I didn't realize that. I know quite a few people who use it in Brazil, but we have a team out there, so I'm biased with Brazil.

0:50

Speaker A

Check this out. So this is opencloth spikes to 250k plus stars Linux and react as contact. So you have Linux, which is in the yellow line on this chart. You can see it growing steadily over time, right? It goes, goes. It's a hockey stick. Okay. It gets up to like 200k stars or so. Then you have React, which is from Facebook. And you know, it pushes up here and then it's like 250k or so. Open call. It's just like. It's just an eye. It's not even a hockey stick.

0:55

Speaker B

It's just straight up a line going up for anyone who can't see. All the other ones are hockey sticks. So it's going up into the right like a, you know, like a triangle. Side of a triangle. This is just a straight line up. Straight up, like, you know, 90 degrees. Yeah, straight up.

1:25

Speaker A

And this is what Jensen is saying. Exactly. You can do more with more. And so again, if you're someone who is very curious about the world, you're about to become way more curious. And it's so smart to have partnered up with OpenClaw on it because I thought they're going to make their own, but the fact that it's partnered up, I'm like, that's. That's smart.

1:40

Speaker B

So, dude, I thought the same thing too. I thought he was going to create his own okay, so do you want to show people your dot charts and how you do it?

1:56

Speaker A

Yeah, sure.

2:03

Speaker B

And how you AI to create this content for. For people on marketing.

2:03

Speaker A

Yeah. This is funny. Okay, so this is a dot chart that was created completely from AI. And all I did, Neil, with my. My claw was I said, I really like these dot charts on Twitter. How can you apply this to us for my content? That's all I said. And I was like, you know, you. You already have a content ingestor where you pull from my content every day. What would be relevant? So it actually pulled A study from McKinsey on 1300 companies, and it shows 88% of these 1300 companies use AI. Only 6% get real value from it. Less than 1% are running autonomous systems. So this publishes. Okay. And it gets 56,000 views on it, which is not bad for an Instagram post, because this is the type of stuff, by the way. It's not like, oh, it's like a dating post or something like that. We are talking companies using AI, and we're getting more and more companies on my side, at least on the AI implementation piece. So that's one I want to show another one. Okay, this one's great. Let me pull this up for you. Do you see this? Yeah. Okay, so this is a LinkedIn post. So this caption, by the way, let me just read it. I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but AI went from an IQ of 83 to 128 in three. Yours didn't. Let me put that into perspective. November 2022 GPT 3.5 launched IQ around 83 below human average people called it a fun toy. March 2023 GPT 4 hit IQ 105. That's dead center. Human average people started paying attention. 2025, okay, it just goes down this. Right now we're looking at it like IQ 145 3 years from toy to genius. The question isn't whether AI is smarter than you. It already is measurable ways. The question is whether you're using it or competing against it or one of the past has a future, the other doesn't. So then the graphic that you see here, Neil, AI's IQ is growing exponentially. Yours isn't. So it kind of shows a chart over here and then all these people in the comments. 113 comments over here. Okay, it's 78 likes. It did fine. But all these people start arguing about, I, IQ is not the right thing to measure. IQ cannot solve this, blah, blah, blah. And I'M just like, I'm not even going to engage with this bullshit.

2:08

Speaker B

So there's no point. Even if you just use stats and data, people tell you how you're wrong. There's just no point. But let's go how you created that. So let's go. Let's talk about workflow. Let's say someone wants to end up creating social content here. This chart here. I'm assuming you had AI created. You didn't pull someone else's chart.

4:07

Speaker A

This one. So what it does, Neil, it will look around on the Internet and I'll cite. I have it cite the sources at the bottom. Because by the way, let me. Let me give you a little bit of the workflow. So imagine you and I are talking about stuff because you and I share a lot of news and we'll share like what we're testing. So it will take ingest all of our content and based on a claim that you or I make, it'll try to do more research on it to back it up. And. And then I'll make it into a chart.

4:22

Speaker B

And you're using what for that? Open claw.

4:45

Speaker A

I'm using claw, yeah. Open cloth. One of the cloth.

4:47

Speaker B

All right, so you guys can try that out. My process is a little bit different. So instead of taking recordings like that, we take what we get asked frequently from potential customers and we have a repository of that. It could be audio, it could be, you know, people writing it down. Audio is easy for AI to just scrape from there, and then from there we end up doing research and. And then you can create charts on it. I've mentioned this in the past, we've tried using AI to help with the charts. It's not always a hundred percent accurate. So we tend to have a lot of humans in the loop. AI does help with a little bit of the design, but we have humans in the loop because we just don't want the 1 in 5 or whatever errors. Cause then people just chew me apart anytime. Anything is a little off.

4:50

Speaker A

So Neil, as you say that I literally typed that into my open claw. I'm just like, go do that. You see what I mean? And you know how, how I like, I'll see what people post on Twitter now or I see like a YouTube video. All I is I just post that YouTube video in. I was like, hey, how does this relate to our goals? On a scale of 1 to 100, how relevant is it? Oh, it's very relevant. Okay, go do it. Right. Most of the time, I would say nine times out of 10. It's like, this is not relevant right now.

5:31

Speaker B

Okay?

5:55

Speaker A

I'm like, okay, good, good to put me in my place. But sometimes I'm like, oh, this is like a 95 out of 100. I'm like, okay, let's. Let's have a conversation around this. And literally all I'm doing, I talk to this more than I talk to anybody. And when I, when I'm pointing, I'm pointing my phone right now. I mean, my claw. All I talk to is Alfred. That's all I do all day, coming back from the gym, talk to Alfred, sitting, waiting for the restroom or whatever. Like, I talk to Alfred. That's all I do.

5:55

Speaker B

So Eric is overstating it here. He does have a personal life and he does other things. And Open Claw, it's super efficient.

6:17

Speaker A

I can't wait for you to activate it because then that's all you're going to talk about with me. You're going to call me all the time. Maybe you're not going to call me anymore because you're just going to want to talk to yours. I don't know what you're going to name yours. Maybe Beverly.

6:26

Speaker B

I know you don't believe it, but I don't think I'm going to end up ever activating it.

6:36

Speaker A

I don't believe you.

6:40

Speaker B

You don't think so?

6:41

Speaker A

This one I'll bet you my life on, too. I've been willing to bet my life on very little things. This one I'll bet my life on.

6:42

Speaker B

If I look at my life, each year it's changed to progressing to just like, focus on like extremely really large deals and brand building. So I agree with you. I would be a really high user of Open Claw if it was six years ago, seven years ago. It's just what I work on today has shifted and it's getting more extreme to that way where it's harder for me to use tools and technology to help automate what I'm doing because it's very heavy relationship business. Like, it's getting to a point where I don't even do outreach anymore. And I'm just getting set up and just doing the calls myself and just building relationships with people and just trying to work big deals and that's it.

6:47

Speaker A

I completely understand. And yet he still use it. So we'll see. We'll see.

7:29

Speaker B

Let's go. What way do you think I'll use it? Give me an example.

7:33

Speaker A

I don't know. I just know you're going to use it because here's the thing, right? You just saw the chart, you saw the data. You're a very data driven person, right? And you hear some of the richest people in the world saying like, this is like the biggest thing and like, you know, every company needs to have a strategy. I think eventually you'll come around to it and you use it in your own way. For example, like I can only talk about me, I can't talk about you, right? But the things that it does for me, such as the how it negotiates deals for me on the. Because everyone tries to do these, by the way. I think I'm getting eight to ten inquiries a day because I think these other influencer managers are using AI as well. And so I think I'm having the AI negotiate with them. And like that is, that is real revenue, right? But even when I have it, look through my LinkedIn or say, hey, here's who you should be talking to automatically I'll look at my calendar, hey, you're traveling over here right now. Here's who you should be talking to based on your goals over here. Maybe you should set up a dinner for this or that and then maybe your team can take that over for you. But I think you're going to be like what your team's doing right now for you, setting them up. I think you can do even more of it. That's my point.

7:37

Speaker B

So I think you nailed it. I'm not saying my organization won't use it. We already are using it. We do it for outreach for influencers, we do it for outreach for me and meetings. It's just more so I personally don't have to download it and install it. My team is already executing on it and they have been for a while now. If they didn't, I would be pissed off. But it's just, I don't think it'll come to a place where I need to install it on my phone or my computer. It's more so my team's just going and executing it all on my behalf.

8:28

Speaker A

So I think the reason I say you're going to be using it for sure, maybe you're not using OpenCloud, but you're going to be using a version of it because everything's kind of becoming like an open claw. So like Perplexity Computer or like Manus is like new computer use or whatever. So you're going to be using a version of it because it's going to be built into whatever you're using and you're just going to use that.

8:55

Speaker B

That's what I mean, that's true from Gemini and all those solutions and all that kind of. And the real reason why I just don't touch Open Claw. I don't want to deal with any security issues.

9:10

Speaker A

Yeah.

9:19

Speaker B

That's the real reason. Or else I would already had it on my phone.

9:19

Speaker A

Yeah.

9:22

Speaker B

But the Nvidia version, I think he calls it Nemo Claw or something like that. I will end up using that because it'll be secure and for corporations, I just don't want to use Open Claw myself until they figure out security issues. I think you nailed it. It won't be called openclaw, but it'll be a quote unquote version of that in whatever LLM I'm using because it'll already be integrated.

9:22

Speaker A

Yeah. And you will love it and we will be talking about it all the time. You know, I just came from a podcast interview with Andrew Warner. So I was just sharing all the AI stuff for like an hour and he was telling me, Heaton Shaw, your. Your brother in law, texts him all the time on how he can't get off of it. Right. But he's more similar to me in that respect. So.

9:44

Speaker B

Yes. On that side, from a personality standpoint, I don't think I'll ever be a power user like you or Heathen. I just don't.

10:02

Speaker A

That's your personality and that's fine.

10:08

Speaker B

Yeah, it's like for some reason in business, like my thing that I love more than anything is the deal. Like I just. I'll kill myself for the deal.

10:10

Speaker A

Have you read that? The Art of the Deal?

10:19

Speaker B

I have not.

10:21

Speaker A

You know, I actually, I actually, I actually have it. I actually. Because it's all about the deal with that book, obviously. So I'm actually good. I think, I think I'm gonna read it because the fact that you brought it up, I'm like, I've never read it, but I have it in my bookshelf. So.

10:22

Speaker B

Dude. So I was talking to Heathen about marketing a few months ago and he was telling me about all the stuff he's doing with his MacBooks and how he spends so much per computer and he orders a ton of them and all this kind of stuff. He was just like, business is going to change, marketing is going to change. You know, and he's like pushing me and here he knows my personality. I'm like, yeah, this is fine. And he's like, are you gonna do it or not? I'm like, personally, not so much, but I'm like, I'm definitely hiring a lot of people who are gonna do it for me.

10:34

Speaker A

And how did he react to that?

11:01

Speaker B

He's just like. He's like. That sounds about right. That is more my personality, and that's fine.

11:03

Speaker A

We're all. We're all different, right? So Neil and I, we're not saying, like, there's any right or wrong way to do it. I think we've figured out by now, like, you know, approaching. Well, I'm approaching my 40s, but in our 40s, I should say that we are. We are how we are. And, you know, I don't think there's any right or wrong way to do something. So. All that to say, guys, that is it for today, and we'll see you tomorrow.

11:07