Too Scary; Didn't Watch

FELIDAE

77 min
Jan 21, 20263 months ago
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Summary

The hosts of Too Scary; Didn't Watch recap the 1994 German animated film Felidae, a noir detective story about a cat investigating a series of murders in his neighborhood. The film explores themes of eugenics, animal experimentation, and the corruption that comes from pursuing power, wrapped in a bizarre cat-centric narrative with graphic violence and dark humor.

Insights
  • Animated horror can use animal protagonists to explore complex philosophical themes like eugenics and scientific ethics in ways that feel both absurd and disturbingly relevant
  • The film's central message—that the ends do not justify the means and that pursuing evil goals corrupts the pursuer—resonates despite the surreal cat-focused premise
  • Audience anxiety about unfamiliar expertise (cars, teeth, taxes) creates psychological space for irrational fears to take root, as demonstrated by the hosts' personal anecdotes
  • Physical media releases of obscure international films can suddenly become accessible through streaming platforms, reviving interest in cult classics
  • Horror narratives often use sexual themes and reproductive anxiety as plot drivers, regardless of whether the subjects are human or animal
Trends
Resurgence of cult animated films on streaming platforms following physical media re-releasesInternational horror cinema gaining accessibility through subtitle availability and streaming distributionPhilosophical horror exploring scientific ethics and eugenics through non-human perspectivesPodcast format enabling deep-dive analysis of obscure media to niche audiencesListener-driven content curation through crowdsourced request systems in podcast production
Topics
Animated Horror CinemaGerman Film HistoryEugenics and Scientific EthicsAnimal Testing and Laboratory ExperimentationNoir Detective StorytellingPsychological Horror and NightmaresPhysical Media vs. Streaming DistributionCult Film AccessibilityReproductive Anxiety in Horror NarrativesCharacter-Driven Mystery PlotsPhilosophical Themes in AnimationListener Request Curation SystemsInternational Film SubtitlingBlu-ray Release StrategyHorror Film Analysis Podcasting
Companies
HBO Max
Mentioned in pre-roll ad for Hacks podcast and streaming service where Hacks series is available
HomeServe
Mid-roll sponsor offering home repair subscription service starting at $4.99/month with 4.5M customers
Quince
Mid-roll sponsor offering premium sustainable clothing with direct factory pricing, featured jeans at $50
Amazon
Platform where Sammy rented Felidae, now listing it as 2024 release due to US Blu-ray distribution
Rotten Tomatoes
Referenced for Felidae's 83% critical rating
IMDB
Referenced for Felidae's 7.0 user rating
People
Emily
Co-host who is afraid of horror movies and shares personal anxiety about car safety
Henley
Co-host who is afraid of horror movies and experienced a dangerous ice-driving incident
Sammy
Co-host who watches horror films and provides detailed recaps; stepped on a rake while removing Christmas decorations
Michael Schach
Director of the 1994 animated film Felidae
Akif Pernichie
Wrote both the 1989 novel and screenplay for Felidae
Martin Kluger
Co-writer of the Felidae screenplay
Ulrich T'Kur
Starred in Felidae voice cast
Mario Adorf
Starred in Felidae voice cast
Klaus Maria Brandauer
Starred in Felidae voice cast
Boy George
Performed the theme song for Felidae
Gregor Mendel
19th-century Austrian geneticist whose work on heredity is referenced in Felidae's plot about breeding superior cats
Lucia
Co-creator of HBO's Emmy-winning comedy series Hacks, mentioned in pre-roll ad
Paul W Downs
Co-creator of HBO's Emmy-winning comedy series Hacks, mentioned in pre-roll ad
Jen Statsky
Co-creator of HBO's Emmy-winning comedy series Hacks, mentioned in pre-roll ad
Mandy Moore
Co-host of This Is Us podcast mentioned in post-roll ad
Sterling K. Brown
Co-host of This Is Us podcast mentioned in post-roll ad
Chris Sullivan
Co-host of This Is Us podcast mentioned in post-roll ad
Quotes
"I think really what it is is I need a, just need to take my card of mechanic B. Yeah. I, something's happening in my brain these days is really what it is that I'm like."
Emily~5:00
"I think we should have two required courses and one of them is like cars. Well, okay. Car taxes. Car and taxes. Okay. Sorry. Three required courses. Okay. Cars, taxes and. And teeth."
Emily~8:00
"There's so much evil in this world that I became evil."
Clawdandus (character)~85:00
"The ends do not justify the means. Anytime anyone is starting to say, well, we got to do it. This is just how it has to be. That's a sure sign that that person has become evil."
Henley~90:00
"It's a cat eugenic noir."
Sammy~75:00
Full Transcript
This is a Head Gump podcast. Hacks is back for its fifth and final season and so is the Hacks podcast. Join the Hacks creators and showrunners Lucia and Yellow, Paul W Downs and Jen Statsky as they unpack the Emmy-winning comedy series. On each episode, hear stories from the set, what goes on in the writer's room and how these beloved characters close out their final season. Watch Hacks streaming exclusively on HBO Max and listen to the Hacks podcast on HBO Max or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Emily, Henley and Sammy and you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to and we got a weird one this week folks. I'm excited about it. Okay and I believe the tone. When you say it like that, I know you mean it. I love weird. It's very strange but before we get into it, we are going to check in with each other so if you want to get straight to that weird recap, there's time Sam's in the show notes but first Emily and Henley, did anything scary happen to you guys this week? I really just want to share and explore a recent fear I've been having. I have recently become fearful that my car is going to explode when I'm in it or near it. Oh my God, is this because you watch so many action movies? Maybe but it's actually because last time I got my oil changed, they were like something's leaking up here. You need to take your car to a mechanic but they didn't say it in a way that was like ma'am get out of the car. Do you know they weren't like but I of course haven't taken my car to the mechanic because like well I don't have time for that. I don't know. This is why I want to talk about it because I'm like it's not reasonable, I don't think I hope but I will be like driving home from work and I'm like, it's my car about to explode. The other day I was picking up sandwiches that I had ordered for me and Joel for lunch and I was early and so it was really lovely outside. I had my books so I was like I'm just going to like lean against my car and read while I wait for the sandwiches and then I truly was like I have to get like I started panicking that I need to like get away from the car because it was going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like it's going to explode. Well, you know, it's a bomb in it. Yeah, like the engine's just going to like spontaneously combust and I'm going to explode and it's not going to explode while it's off. I think I think that that's you will count on me. Well, I actually like but if it's on, you know, maybe. Well, I'm actually a car did a car for some reason did explode, I don't know exactly but it started like a little fire in my in a parking garage in my friend's building. Okay, so this off Sammy. This is okay. Okay. So this is. Feed like I don't think that this fear. Yeah, I don't think that this really like happens and I think the answer is I just need to take my car to the mechanic. Like I just just take my car to the mechanic. Did they tell you anything else about where it was leaking any more details? I think they said the engine, which that's not good, right? Engine's leaking. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's leaking out from where they were just like next time you get your oil change, you need to do it at the mechanic because something is leaking and we can't fix it. I think you 100% just have to take it to the mechanic. Yeah, I think I just yeah, but barring that I do want to like say that this is a perfect example of how our schools are failing us and that obvious I don't know how the vehicle works that I drive around all the time. A required course. I think we should have two required courses and one of them is like cars. Well, okay. Car taxes. Car and taxes. Okay. Sorry. Three required courses. Okay. Cars, taxes and. And teeth. I want someone to teach me how to like know whether my dentist is scamming me or not. Okay. So not about dental health prevention, not dental health though, but that's obviously that's like teeth forgery teeth. Uh, scams, scams because, because you have to you have to put your faith, you have to put your faith in these experts who are just and again, I believe experts full. I want to see that clear. I believe experts. I believe people really know you could believe them if you'd taken the class. I, I believe people who have gone to extra school, extra school, have learned things I have not learned. I believe bonus schools, bonus schools. I applaud you. However, I do want to say that as like a civilian walking around, it would really benefit me to know some basic information about how my car works, how my teeth work and how my taxes work. I would love to just know some basic info about those things so that I can just have all the facts when I am discussing some more advanced, more specific information with the experts. That's what I'm saying. But I think that that would benefit me way more than algebra to, or even, I mean, geometry I guess has its uses. But I didn't like geometry. I like it more now. But at the time I was like, the fuck is this shit? Yeah. Anyway, I just, I think really what it is is I need a, just need to take my card of mechanic B. Yeah. I, something's happening in my brain these days is really what it is that I'm like. It's probably the news. I think it, yeah. Yeah. So I think just anywhere where there's any cause to worry, it can be like a little outlet for all of the worry. It can find a new, yeah, a new, and I'm also just like, I think it comes down to like a fear of dying alone without being able to tell your loved ones that like you're about to explode, you know? That is actually my, like my biggest fear is like I'm on my way home to Joel, but I never make it cause my car explodes, you know? Great. So I've just, it's become like real to me in a way that I know is unhealthy, the fear of the car exploding. Yeah. Oh my God, take it to the mechanic. I will. I think that will help. I think that will help. I mean, thanks Kara, I want to ask you guys. Oh, actually speaking of cars, a scary thing did happen to me yesterday. There was a freak snowstorm. However, I do want to point out that I feel like our weather service is not as accurate as it used to be, probably because funding has been taking away. I don't know. I feel like people aren't talking about this. I just want to say that more often than not, the weather that I'm seeing on my phone is not the weather that I'm seeing out my window. And yesterday it started snowing. Nothing said it was going to snow online. I was planning on going to Costco with Silas. I was so excited to go to Costco. We've been talking about for days and days. I also love Costco as a child. All the snacks, all the things you could like climb around and on and out. There are always new toys. This time when we went there was a bunch of books, which was fun to look at. Big tables full of clothes all folded on top of each other. Just like big long tables of folded shirts. Yes. Anyway, so it started snowing. It was snowing for like, I don't know, half an hour or something. And then I wasn't even thinking about it. We left to go to Costco. But I guess because no one knew it was going to snow, they hadn't salted the streets yet or done any preventative or nothing. That's dangerous. And so when I pulled out of where we pull onto the main road, our car truly just went all over the place. Oh my God. All over the fucking place. It was like, it was like it swung one way, then it swung another way, then it swung another way. And I was so, I was obviously terrified. Silas was like, whoa. Whoa. That was cool. This is fun. Right. Because you're not supposed to slam the brakes. You have to just go with it. You kind of like try to. I didn't know what, I didn't know like what, it was, it's crazy how your brain is in those moments because I was like, well, this is happening. I guess this is just what's happening now. And it was fine. We were able to like get straightened out. Nothing happened that was like, you know, destructive except to my own brain. Because then I noticed along the road, there were cars like pulled off to the side. Everyone had their blinkers on. Oh God. Everyone was going like 10 miles per hour because where we live, there are a lot of hills. Oh my God. And when there's like no salt on the roads at all, it's very slippery. It's just, I see. Yeah. And so I called Tim and I was like, am I being really stupid? Should I like try to get home right now? And he was like, I think you should just go to Costco. I think it's going to be fine. They're going to salt the roads. It'll be fine. Opposite of what I thought he was going to say. I was immediately mad. I was merely furious. I was like, how dare you? I'm in immediate danger. He was, he was right though. It was fine. And also I was like too scared to turn around. Like I had no choice but to go straight. Either way you got to keep driving. Right. Yeah. So I just went straight like eight miles per hour. Just like, and we were, it was no big deal. But like having your car do that, having your car like be out of control. It was so scary. Yeah. Oh God, it's scary. It's never happened to me on ice, but it's happened to me in like insane rain. Yeah. It's like growing up in Florida. Is it still called hydroplaning when it's ice? It's like the water. I think it is. I don't know. I just assume it is. I don't know. But it's a very scary feeling just being like, well, car's not listening to me anymore. Like I do. Is there a parachute? Like what are you? Like scary. Oh, don't you get at Costco? Yeah. Also made me think that I should buy a new car. What did we get at Costco? Also, that was the other thing is that then I forgot everything we needed at Costco. Yeah. Your brain was wiped. I was supposed to get by ingredients to make chili. I came home with like a 15 pound bag of dried mango, snacks out the wazoo, literally nothing for chili. I bought, no, I bought like 20 cans of kidney beans. That's it. Who even wants to eat kidney beans ever? They are my least favorite bean in the chili. I got it. It's disgusting. Chili sounds really good though. Did you end up making chili or no? We made chili, but we made it the night we made it the next day after I bought some more ingredients. Oh, Sammy, anything scary happening to you? Well, I also have a car PSA. This isn't what I was going to talk about, but I'll just throw it in here real quick because my other things also real quick. So I'm going to go, I'm going to say two things. Oh my God. But my car PSA is that Duncan noticed because I had no idea that the tread on my tires was like so crazy low that it was like metal was exposed. And I was like, oh, I just didn't know about this at all. And I was like, oh, I would just probably drive till my tires exploded, which has happened to me before. And so PSA just check your tire tread every once in a while. Wow. I got all my tires replaced. We're all good now. But yeah, that's just something in 35 years. They would teach you this in the car class. It should be mandatory. Car class mandatory. And then my other thing. They could do it all in one, car, teeth and taxes. Great. To acquire. Yeah. For a semester, I think we could cover some pretty, pretty, you could get around a lot of that information. You could get the most important stuff. Yeah. Yeah. My other thing just because it really made me laugh is I've been taking down Christmas decorations today, which is like really sad. I'm really going to miss them. I really think it's another big part of why January sucks. Yeah. I've gotten like, because the lights are on timers and I've gotten so used to the joy of just like lights turn on magically and all of a sudden everything is colorful and joyful. Now things are back to just plain regular dark drab. But so I was walking around like outside my house because I was taking down the outdoor lights and they're plugged into an outlet on the side of my house. And that's where we keep kind of like the, you know, the hoses back there, some other garden equipment. And I was not really paying attention and I stepped on a rake cartoon style. Oh my God. Like Sideshow Bob. Yeah. Do it back in the head. It wasn't in my face. It's back in the back. I like stepped on it on the side, but it hit me in the back and it did hurt. But it mostly just like really made me laugh. It's like, oh my God. I did it. It really is a thing that can happen. It's actually so funny. It can happen. It can happen to you. It could happen to you. It happened to me and I survived, but I will be a little more careful next time I'm walking around where I know we keep the rakes. Multiple rakes. And I think it is just one, but we do have multiple, but one's out back and one's out out front. So you gotta be vigilant everywhere. Yeah. So that was pretty silly, but are you guys ready to get into this weird movie? Maybe it's like not that weird, but it's just, it's, I guess we'll be the judges. You'll be the judges. It's going to give Emily and I a taste of our own medicine because why? Most movies have some sort of child or pregnancy thing that really upset family. This is cats. This is cats. No. It's about grasshoppers or rats. It's about cats. That sucks. Yeah. I'm not going to love the cat thing either. I got to be honest. Yeah, you are. Just like we love it when it's good. You got me. This week we are talking about a movie called Felidae. It came out in 1994, directed by Michael Schach, written by Martin Kluger and Akif Pernichie, based on the 1989 novel of the same name by Akif Pernichie, starring Ulrich, T'Kur, Mario Adorf and Klaus Maria Brandauer. This is an animated German film. And I, okay. Okay. It has been requested. We have like a long list of listener requests going in a Google Doc, peek behind the curtain. And sometimes I just pick a random one. So that's what happened today. And it's MackinBunk's 10th birthday this week. Wow. Double digits. So an honor to them. Double digits. So you would get, you decided to get really sad about cats. Yeah. And you would get really sad about, you know, why don't we talk about a movie focused on cats being killed? Oh. It's not, it's not, I feel like it's not going to be as bad as, as you're picturing. But it is, there are a lot of cats die in this movie, but, but it's kind of funny and watching it. It's like done like a noir with cats. Okay. So there's like a cat detective on the case of why all these cats are. So it's pretty, it's actually fun. It's just really interesting, really strange. Okay. This movie has an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes, a seven on IMDB. Wow. The budget was five million US dollars. So that made it makes it the most expensive German animation to date. And yeah, not a lot of trivia about this, but this is one for any of the physical media heads, like our friend Marty is that this movie was like really hard to come by in the US for a long time. And in 2024, they released a Blu-ray in America. So go get that Blu-ray. That's something that interests you. Where did you watch it? It's I rented it on Amazon. So you can watch it on Amazon now. But I think Amazon lists it as like a 2024 movie. So I think it's like because of that US release that now you can stream it. Find it. Yeah. Cool. So that's all trivia I have. And we are going to watch the trailer at the end. That'll be available on our Patreon if you want to check it out. But I think let's just get right into this recap. Sure. No idea what to expect. It's weird. It's pretty weird. Okay. You protect your health, your car, even your phone. But what about your home? It's probably your biggest investment. And when things go wrong, the cost can hit hard and fast. That's where HomeServe comes in. If I was a regular homeowner, I would definitely use HomeServe. Regular homeowners insurance usually doesn't cover a lot of the day-to-day wear and tear. 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Go to quince.com slash two scary for free shipping and 365 day returns now available in Canada too. Go to qince.com slash two scary for free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com slash two scary. Okay, we begin with Boy George performing a theme song that's like singing the title of the song going, holiday, holiday. Actually, I have no idea what the tune of the song is but already like pretty delightful like and strange. We see a cat in a car driving up to a house. We're getting voiceover from the cat. Again, this is in kind of noir. So the cat's in the driver's seat? No, the cat is driving. The cat is in the passenger seat. So a human is driving? So a human is driving. Okay. But we're hearing the cat's voiceover saying, well, if you really want to hear my story, I just got to warn you that it's not a pleasant one. And this is our protagonist, Francis. Is Francis like in a cage or not in a cage? No, Francis is free roaming and continues to be free roaming. This whole movie in a way that made me pretty nervous because I saw Coyote last night right outside of my house, like literally like 15 feet away from where I was standing and it seemed like a pretty big one. So I don't like... It seems like pretty big ones lately. I think they're healthier, which is good for the Coyotes. Yeah, yeah. They're Coyotes outside of our house too. In Connecticut? Yes, yes. Tim has seen one and then this morning when he went outside like first thing, he saw like a bunch of foot, like dog paw, like footprints. In the snow? And he's like, I guess this is a Coyote because there aren't any human footprints anywhere. Or the Coyote is like sensing that something is bad is about to happen to the humans. They're getting ready to eat all of us. Ready to take over. I hope not. But yeah, I've started... To the Victor Go The Spoils, you know? Yeah, exactly. Good for you. I've started to let Mac and Bunk have supervised outdoor time on the patio. I'll like watch them out there, but I don't... I'm never going to be letting them out alone. And it's bad for local bird populations to do that too. It's very bad. So anyways, this is an animated movie. It's not real, so whatever. But to answer your question, Francis is just... He's doing his own thing kind of the whole time and his owner seems kind of... He's really chill about it. So we hear through Francis' voiceover that he... His owner, well, he calls him my companion, Gustave, moves a lot, which is very upsetting to Francis. If you have cats, you know that they really hate moving. They're very territorial. They like to be familiar with their space. So I thought this was a cute little detail that he's like, ugh, we're moving again. And he hops out of the plop to the new house. Gustave opens the door for Francis and he hops out and just goes... Goes up to the front door and then smells a terrible stench. And he smells like almost like medical equipment, like formaldehyde or something. Like he doesn't like it. He's freaked out. Gustave notices and kind of making fun of him a little bit. Like, am I going to have to carry you in here? So eventually he walks in, he's... And we hear in the voiceover, I should never have set a paw in that house. But he goes in, he's exploring, he's sniffing around. The place is very rundown. Spiderwebs, everything's dirty and it's a complete mess. But Gustave seems very excited for the project. He's like, oh, it's a new canvas. This is going to be great. Francis is not so keen. But he's continuing to explore when he hears a noise outside and pokes his head out. All the windows are open, not a screen in sight. He goes outside and we see another cat with one eye missing. This is a big cat. We find out this cat's name is Bluebeard. Cool name. And Bluebeard is just... They're on the second story of the house and so Bluebeard's like looking down at the ground below. Francis at first doesn't see what he's looking at, but then he turns and sees a dead cat in the lawn. Looks like its throat has been cut or like bitten out. And Francis is horrified by this. And Bluebeard tells him the can-openers did it. Francis is confused by this. He says, a can opener, what do you mean? He's like, the can-openers are the only ones that could do this. Like they're evil. And he's like, oh, you mean humans. Yeah, I really liked that. Bluebeard says, yes, I think it was the humans. Francis is not so sure. He says this looks like his throat was torn out. It seems like it could have been another animal. But Bluebeard tells him that this is the fourth cat that has died this way recently. Francis is immediately like on the case. He's like, okay, well, that sounds like a serial killer to me. Is Francis like a hard-boiled crime detective? Like this is not his first rodeo. He's not a hard-boiled crime detective, but he does take to it very quickly. He's, as far as we know, this is his first time solving a murder case, but it does, yeah, he's a natural. Okay, amazing. He then continues kind of exploring the neighborhood. He sees a doctor's office that he smells a similar smell, like coming from it. Like, okay, maybe this is something to do with whatever's gone on in my new house. And starting to get dark, so he goes home and he gets in bed and he just starts like rolling around in bed in a very cute way. And then he, Gustav comes upstairs and says, let me put on your favorite music, buddy, and puts on some classical music. Very sweet. Francis falls asleep. And then starts having a nightmare. We see as he, in the dream, is like getting out of bed. The house now seems like really scary, and the proportions of the house are all weird. Like it's bending and kind of moving in weird ways. And then floorboards are falling. And Francis is trying to run to steady your ground within the house, and he's running up the stairs to the second floor of the house. And as he's running, the stairs below him are falling away until he gets into this room and the door slams behind him. And the room becomes just this white void. And we see a man in the room facing away from Francis that says something menacing, or no, at first he says, I have something for you, Francis. And we turn around and we see that this man, he's wearing like a lab coat and this looks like a doctor. And he has a jeweled collar, like a diamond collar, and he's like, look how handsome you look in this, Francis. And Francis does look like, oh yeah, that's pretty nice. And Dr. puts it on Francis, and as soon as he does, it becomes like a metal collar attached to a chain that he's like chaining him up in. And we see the room kind of turns into a almost vet office, but more kind of test lab looking thing. It's a scary dream. Francis wakes up thrashing, freaked out, but it was just a dreamy, so okay. Then he goes outside the next day. We see Bluebird, Bluebeard again, and they find another dead cat. Oh no. So this is number five, and Francis is asking questions. Okay, have all of the cats been male? Because the two that he's seen have been male cats. Bluebeard confirms yes, they've all been male. And then Francis asks, are they neutered or uncut? Uncut. And we find out that they are all not neutered. Intact is what they say in the live show circuit, which is so gross. Intact. Intact. There's a lot of talk about cat testicles in this movie. Interesting. In a way that I really wasn't expecting. That's like a big part of the plot, is that these cats are not neutered. They're intact. They're intact. They're intact. Francis. Intact cat. And Francis is really, yeah, like taking this information seriously. This is surely this is a clue. And as they're at this crime scene, a huge cat like hops over the fence. Bluebeard recognizes this cat. Bluebeard's obviously like been in this area for a long time. He knows all the local cats. So as this cat approaches, he's like, Kong, what are you doing here? Kong. And immediately got to be checking intact. Uncut. Kong. What's the standard bluebeard you to Francis? How's it going? Uncut intact. What's happening? What's happening? Also, like, I know we're talking about their balls, but for whatever reason, I, we, as we're saying this, I'm like, I'm thinking we're talking about circumcision. Like my brain is, and it's like, we don't do that to cats. Right. That's not the thing. Right. Yeah. This is where my brain also isn't what we do to cats. It's like, yeah. No, no, we don't do that to cats. No, no. Don't do that to cats. No, that would be, I don't like to think about that. And yet here I am thinking about it. So we need to do all to know that I have to divert my brain from that every time it's brought up. Yeah. Fair enough. So. So we, there's also two other, it seems like Kong's like henchmen cats, they are neutered. Great. We, and that is told to us because they're kind of made fun of for it. Bluebeard and Kong are like kind of bragging about like all the lady cats that they've like impregnated over the years. Sure. And Francis is thinking about, okay, these cats that were intact, these male cats seems like they were maybe in heat when this happened. Couldn't male cats be in heat? I didn't think so, but I guess I won't tell Francis he's wrong. Just like in heat 24 seven. Yeah. I mean, I like don't. That might be wrong. It might be that like the female cats in the area are in heat right now or something. And so he's like, I think the crimes are sexual in nature. Wow. Huge. For the cat community to finally have this story told. Brave, really brave. Really brave. So he goes home later, goes to bed, wakes up in the middle of night because he hears a noise upstairs and he goes to investigate and on the second story of the house, Gustav's asleep in bed. He doesn't hear anything. Second story of the house, Gustav's asleep in bed. He doesn't hear anything. Second story of the house. There's some, he pinpoints the noise is coming from this room, peeks his head through the door. This room is filled with cats. There's got to be 50 cats in this room and he looks up and sees that there's a hole in the ceiling of this room. So they've come in from the outside. There's like a live cats like hanging out live cats just all gathered at watching something. We don't see what it is right away. So you never heard that there was a room in your house that unbeknownst to you, all the neighborhood cats came into to hide in. How would you feel? I'd have mixed feelings. Yeah. I think I'd be pretty overwhelmed. I think I would mainly be like, this has to stop. Yeah. Part of me thinks it would be fun to have 50 cats in your, in a room in your house and like. Let me tell you what man, sometimes four is overwhelming. Yeah. Like. That's a real slippery slope, Sammy. I think like, I can't say it would be fun to have 50 cats. With cats, especially, I think you hit a point where it become, it does become scary. Like there, yeah. Anything in too many. I really do think like, there's too much of anything. It's scary, you know. How many cats do you think you could defeat in a fight? No. Two. I was going to say, like might even just be one for me. Like if a cat, depending on the size of the cat and how fucking, if they're like really going at you with all they've got, you just can't, it's just so hard to, to wrangle them. You would really need a weapon. First of all. Yeah. If you have no weapon, you're absolutely screwed. This is no weapon. Hand to hand combat. Hand to hand combat. I think I could take two cats, but I would. You'd get really fucked up. I'd get really fucked up. Yeah. It would not be, it would not be a quick fight, but I do think I would win against two cats. Yeah. Yeah. That's good to know. I wouldn't like it for any reason. I don't want to have to beat the shit out of two cats. But if you're forced, but this is actually really good because we have four cats. So between me and Joel, I believe that if, and then we never would, we never would want to, but if there's like a cat zombie virus, some sort of yes, like 28 days later situation happened with the cats. Yeah. Well, I mean, they would absolutely buy this and we would get it, but like, we, you know, we could probably win. Yeah. But it would suck. Oh, 50 cats in a room like freaks me out. I gotta say. I'm telling you, I think it would be kind of scary, but one of my like dreams is to have a room filled with black cats and have to be able to like get to see which one bunk is. Yeah. To be like, can I really test your mother? Yeah. Can I pick them out of a crowd? 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I will say I do dream about my cats like close to every single night. I have a lot of cat dreams. And they're always stress dreams of them getting out. Yeah, I have a lot of dreams about my cats being out in the world with me and being like, like Theo was with us like walking around like a big target in a dream the other day. And I was like, he's gonna run away from us, but he never did, but it was stressful. I told you guys about time I had a dream that Mac was at like the bottom of a cliff like a mid-somear style cliff and an alligator fell off the top and smushed him. Wait, so Mac had already jumped like done the sacrificial jump? No, Mac was just like at the bottom from the start. And I was trying to get him and then I saw that an alligator was like loony tune style and like a anvil. Yeah. And I was so devastated in the dream. It like didn't seem funny in the dream. It was very funny when I woke up, but like in the dream I was like on my knees. It would be awful crying. Yeah. Bloody murder. Do you guys believe in and think that you have like the cat parasite thing? Yes. Where like the cats like infect your brain and make you obsessed with them? Yeah. Yeah. So. If that's real, which I don't think that's up for debate. I think that's, that is just like a real thing. Then like, yeah, I absolutely have it. Yeah. I. I wouldn't think it's real only because I mean, I know we've talked about this on the podcast before, but like I just want to reiterate. I think it's real because I used to be so obsessed with cats, like so obsessed with them. Like it's like the only thing I cared about. Like I just want, I just was, I would go to bed like thinking about cat paws, like thinking about like their little paws and like wanting to touch the cat. Like that's all I wanted as a child. And then like that extended until into my twenties, but then like I haven't lived with cats since I was like 22 years old basically. Like, I mean, I didn't even live with cats in college, but like I would go home frequently enough. It kind of felt like I was still close to them. And I think that I don't feel that way. I just don't feel that way about cats anymore. I just, I don't. And I really think, I think there's something like biological, like there was something like chemical happening in my brain. Cause I always, my parents always had a gazillion cats. I was always surrounded by cats my whole life. And I wanted to talk about them all the time. I want to tell all my friends about them. When did it stop? I really think it didn't stop until like, like truly, I really don't think it stopped until like maybe like my late twenties. Okay. So it was before you had kids. Cause I was going to say, I feel like having kids also changes like priority levels. No, because there was a moment where I really considered getting a cat. And my mom almost gave me one of their cats cause they have so many cats. They have cats to give. Just take it. They got spares. You want to? And I remember, and that was in my late twenties. And I remember thinking like, you know what? I don't think I actually want, I don't think I actually want a cat, which was kind of a huge thing for me. Yeah. Anyway, I just, I just think back on my, My younger self, and my younger self would be shocked and appalled that I don't have a cat right now. They wouldn't even recognize me. They'd be like, who are you? I don't trust you. I don't like you. Where are your cats? Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure I have it. Yeah. So all these cats are gathered around watching one main cat that we see is conducting some sort of electric beam. And he's chanting, this is like very culty vibes. He's chanting. Do they notice Francis? No. Or no? No. Got it. Not yet. But he's chanting about our claw dandas. We hope you accept our sacrifices, oh mighty claw dandas. Wow. And cats are throwing themselves into this electrical current, like sacrificing themselves. And so you're just seeing them being like zapped, electrocuted, and it's killing them. It's killing them. Wow. But they're just like jumping into it. And Francis is obviously horrified by what he's seeing, very confused. He also, to get a better look, climbs to the hole we saw in the ceiling. Actually, it's like a hole in the ceiling to the attic above. So he gets into the attic where there's like open windows and that's where the cats came in. But he gets a better vantage point by looking through this hole. And he sees that blue beard is here. I didn't trust blue beard from the beginning. And he's shocked to see this. And as he's kind of leaning over the edge of this hole, a little piece of the floorboard crumbles beneath his paw and falls onto the cult leader looking guy. They look up, everybody sees him, he runs. The cult leader says like, find him, don't let him get away. Oh no. And we get a look at the attic somewhere in here too and there's like all lab tools. Like it's looking like someone's been doing some experiments in here, but then everybody's coming to chase him. So Francis runs out through that window, we're getting a rooftop chase. There's cats coming at him from all angles. They're trying to surround him. Being chased by a cat would also be really scary. Yeah, they're good. Like I would not want to be chased by a cat. No, they're so fast. They're fast and they're like nimble. And they could like leap onto you. So on our honeymoon, Joel and I went for a walk in this town that had so many cats in it. And this one cat just decided to follow us the whole time. And it was great, it was awesome. Cause it was like friendly and it just like, I just kept, just kept following us and we would stop and it would stop and we would pet it and we would just keep going and it would keep going and that was the best. But if it had been chasing us, I would have been very scared. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to be chased by a cat either. Oh, did you hear? Yes, did you hear bunk? I honestly, I never hear them, but I heard him. That was a loud one. Okay, so Francis is running across the rooftops, trying to escape from all of these cats that are chasing him when he falls through an open skylight into a house. And in that house is a lady cat. She hot? Who's super hot? She's a Russian blue. Wow. Gorgeous. She's gorgeous and... She intact? Yeah. I'm going to guess that she's spayed because she's an indoor cat and... You know, it's illegal in LA County and I think in California for your pet to not be spayed or neutered unless you have to get like a special license if you're going to not have your... Yeah, we got to be spayed and neutered. We've got to be. Our pets. Must be, yep. So she's not freaked out that a cat has fallen into her house. And she's kind of like, oh, you guys up there always causing such a ruckus. This is Felicity. I can't remember if I said that. She is blind as she turns around and sees and he gets a look at her. He's like, oh my gosh, are you blind? And she says, yes, since birth. You got cloudy eyes? Not really actually. The animation here looks the same as all the other cats, but... He can tell. But he can tell. And she says it's been this way ever since I can remember, but I do still have pictures in my head of like a man in a lab coat. Felicity. And Francis is of course thinking, okay, well, that's interesting because I'm dealing with some lab stuff and I had a dream about a guy in a lab coat too. So he asks her, he's a detective first and foremost. So he says, have you been hearing anything weird lately? There's been a string of murders. And she says, oh yes, I've heard the death cries. He's very excited that there's a witness. And he asks her to describe exactly what she heard. She said, first she's heard like a Tomcat yowling. Like they're looking for a partner. Again, I'm not sure if male cats can be in heat, but this is the noise she's describing, hearing like a mating noise, mating call. And then she said she heard some... So this is another horror movie that is about slut shaming that having sex will get you killed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always be stressed over be horny. Yeah, every horny cross species, it doesn't matter. So she says, then it sounds like someone they knew well came up, she couldn't make out what was happening, but she heard another cat approaching. It's usually someone you know. And then she heard the death cries. So I have a little bit more information and he's asking her what's the deal with Clawdandus. Do you know anything about that? And I don't think she really knows anything about that because she doesn't leave the house. So she's, but she just hears all the madness from within the comfort of her own home. She's got a nice little fireplace that she snuggled up by. Looks lovely. When Bluebeard's head appears up in the skylight and he's calling to Francis, he's saying, why are you running away? We just wanted to talk to you. Francis goes to talk with Bluebeard, who's just like, yeah, I don't know. The cult meetings are pretty weird. Like I just go to them because I think they're funny, but I guess some other people are pretty into it. I think a bunch of bunch of cats kill themselves. He's like, I think it's like thrilling in a way. It's like exciting. And, but yeah, no, I don't like, I don't believe in Clawdandus or whatever. But that guy that was leading the sacrifice, his name is Joker. He's the leader of the cult. And you guys, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm like, I'm a little fuzzy on kind of what the details of this cult are, but there's another cat that Bluebeard brings up named Pascal that he says might know more. He's like the smartest cat in town. So maybe we should go talk to Pascal. So they get to Pascal's house. It's like this big, gorgeous home. There's like Kamasutra paintings on the wall. There's a painting of a man in a, it's not priest outfit, but some sort of religious, like he's got like crosses on his suit and the little tag below it says Gregor Mendel. So this person is very heavily featured in this home. And then we go to another room and we meet Pascal. Pascal is like a orange, fluffy cat, older cat, very regal and he's on the computer. Sure, he's really smart. He's really smart. Does he bring his glasses on? No, he sees just fine with his own eyes. Is he typing? He's typing. Pascal asks him, oh my God, you can use a computer. And he says, oh yeah, just, you know, just a little bit in my own cat way. And then he types in the word Felly Day. He says, do you know what this means? And he's like, yeah, it's something to do with cats, right? And he says, yeah, it's the umbrella term for all species within the feline community or something. And he's keeping a running list of all the cats in the area. He has like a directory essentially of all the cats and their breeds and their ages. It's normal. And he's like, oh, Francis is interested in this. Can you pull up the victims? Can we see what they have in common? He says, sure, sure, here we go. Pulls them up. They are all male European short hairs. And Francis is scratching his chin. This is very interesting. What does it mean? He's like, all male, all male victims. And Pascal says, oh, not anymore. There's been another murder since right before you arrived. Oh no. I haven't typed it in yet. Oh no. And it is Felicia. Did I say Felicity before? You said Felicity, but either way, I knew who it was gonna be. Was it Bluebeard somehow? I don't trust Bluebeard. Bluebeard is with them. Henley just does not trust Bluebeard. Bluebeard's weird for sure. He's a weird guy. What kind of cat is Bluebeard? He's a Maine Coon. Nice. There you go. That's everything you need to know. I don't need to know. We had a Maine Coon growing up, Merlin. Was he a troublemaker? He was such a fucking troublemaker. Actually, this is like really dark, but my dad would call him Osama bin Laden growing up because he would truly terrorize the entire neighborhood. He would break into homes, he would eat the food. They're really, really smart. They're really smart. He knew how to get into every single home. He would eat the food. Anyone that had a dog, he would break into those homes and eat the food that they left out for their dogs. Really funny. He was too smart. A true menace to society. For his own good. And it's actually really sad. My parents had him de-clawed because he was so violent. And so, because he wanted to be free, and he had to live with this family, unfortunately for him, but he still took down, you took down foxes, took down baby deer. He would bring things home that were like five times his weight. Merlin was my best friend growing up. They're cooking up Merlin. They're really, really cool. Merlin, rest in peace. He rest in peace. Francis is devastated. He runs to Felicity slash Felicia. He was like, it can't be true. I was just there moments ago. He goes in through the sky, or looks in through the skylight again, and Felicia slash Felicity's head has been ripped from her body. Well, unnecessary. It's really violent. Really gory. And he's devastated. He's lamenting to blue beard, okay, it's like personal now, we gotta find this killer. And then it kind of has a strange transition. And we go into another nightmare where the town is suddenly all burnt down buildings. And he follows this murder of crows as they lead him to a house that is just filled with mountains of dead cats. Francis is- It's so sad to think about cats having nightmares, but they probably do. Yeah, I mean, they do little twitches and stuff and make little noises, something's going on. But hopefully they have nice dreams too. Yeah. And from this huge pile of dead cats emerges the man we saw in that painting, Gregor Mendel, saying something menacing again, I don't know what he said, but he pulls these little puppeteer strings up from all the cats, and he starts dancing all the dead cats around and their little corpse bodies are in various, like some of them are like only half bodies. It's again, like very gory and gross. Like they're like little marionettes. Like little marionettes. Nasty. And it's very scary. Francis wakes up, he's freaked out and he's gotta do the thing that helps him clear his head, which is hunting rats, unfortunately. A cycle of violence. Yeah. And he's, I'm not sure where he is. Again, he's very free roaming. He goes all around town. So I'm not entirely, he might be just like up in the attic of his own house, but wherever he is, he bumps into a TV, like old TV with one of the little VHS players in the built in and it turns on the VHS and we see a recording of someone doing some really horrible animal testing on cats. They're like saying to the camera what they're doing. They're clearly like conducting this experiment and they have these tubes of this like neon green liquid that they're saying like we are trying to develop this thing to heal wounds, but the way that they're testing it is just like cutting cats fur or like cutting them open and then sprinkling this liquid on the wound and most of the time it's just killing them. It's burning acid like through them. And they're like, I think there's even a line in it where he's like, I think there's too much acid in the train. We gotta like tweak the formula, but really upsetting and we're continuing to watch this video when this cat comes in named Clawdandis and- In the video? In the video. Clawdandis is brought into the lab, they cut him open, they drop the liquid on the wound and it heals. Oh my God. Something about Clawdandis is, and I feel like they've been tweaking the formula too, but the doctor in the video is saying like, Clawdandis is, he's a very special cat, we're gonna have to dissect him and figure out like what it is about him that made this work on him. And we find out that the doctor's motivation is to create a superior breed of cat. Sure. So we're getting into some eugenics here, you guys. Yeah, is that what this movie's about? Yeah, it's a really weird movie. It's a cat eugenic noir. Oh my God. Really unexpected. And yeah, okay, yeah. And also where all these like, is Gregor Mendelper, is like Pascal, is all these like real people? I have no idea. Really? I feel like. The movie's also like very short, it's like an hour and 18 minutes or something. And so it just like, it throws a lot at you real quick. And as I mentioned, I was kind of struggling to keep up with what was coming on. Sure, sure, sure. Really? Well, and I'm just assuming German subtitles? Yeah, German with English subtitles. And I do speak some German, so that also probably plays into it because I do get like fixated on kind of listening to the German rather than like digesting. Reading the English. The content of what's happening. So Francis is horrified watching this video when Kong jumps into the attic with him. He starts fighting him and like admits to the murders, but kind of in a way that we're not really sure if it's true, he's like, yeah, I killed them all and I'm gonna kill you too. But he's got his two little henchmen there. And I don't know, something about it feels off, but they're getting in a cat fight. They're getting in a brawl. It's three on one, because he's got his henchmen. Not even a human could handle that. Not even a human. And they're again, like running across the rooftops, chasing each other when they come upon another victim, another dead cat. And this is a cat that Kong knows. And so this stops Kong right in his tracks and he's devastated. He says, solitaire, my solitaire, my beautiful precious solitaire. And we find out that solitaire was pregnant with Kong's kittens. Oh my God. Oh my God. And her like stomach is torn out. It's. Oh my God. Very gruesome. I just wanna say I just Googled Gregor Mendel and he is a real guy. He. Is he the Punnett square guy? He's Austrian. He lived in the mid 19th century and he is the founder of Modern Science of Genetics. Though farmers had known for millennia that crossbreeding of animals and plants could favor certain desirable traits, Mendel's pea plant experiments established many of the rules of hereditary. Now referred to as the laws of Mendelian inheritance. So I'll just say like all these names probably do have some kind of significance. Yeah. And I did none of that research. So. Yeah, fair. It was just gonna bother me. Yes, but. And I will. The Punnett square was invented by a guy whose last name was Punnett. Okay. So that makes sense. But I will also say that there's Gregor Mendel who's like featured in the nightmares and there's like a painting of him on the wall, but he's different than the doctor. That's like performing these experiments. I think I understand we'll come back to that. So Kong is so sad. And he knows that he like what he's, because he was already trying to fight Francis. He is at first like, you did it, but then he's like, oh no, you couldn't have done it. You were with me this whole time. And we see this. And I told you I did it. Right. And so we see a little bit in the distance, an old nasty old cat running off that we're thinking, okay, maybe this is the. Old nasty like convict style. Yeah, convict style. I really thought about convict. We get a look at him and he's like missing fur on half of his tail and one of his legs. Maybe this cat has been fucked with. Maybe. By a certain guy. But we're thinking that maybe he's the murderer. So we're running after him. And Kong and his two henchmen like kind of get confused and run in the wrong direction because this old cat like hides somewhere. But Francis sees him sneak into a little storm drain and follows him in there and tumbles down this like hole. Again, a hole. We don't like to go in holes, but only bad things happen in there. And the same is true here. Where as he gets his footing and looks around, he sees just hundreds of dead cat skeletons. Oh my God. See, it's like the catacombs in there. Cat. Bluebeard tumbles down after him and says like I saw you come in here. So I what the heck's going on? And they are exploring this creepy room and they see the cat, the nasty cat. And they're about to confront him where he says, this cat like holds a paw over his face, protecting himself. He says, do not strike the guardian of the dead. Please. It's it's I'm not saying anything bad. I've just, I just guard the dead. I'm not anything bad. And this cat's name is Josiah. And he explains that he did not kill any of these cats, that the dead are brought to him by the prophet and father Joker. Oh my God. The lore rod. I'm so deep. It's really a lot. And again, I'm sorry if I'm getting it wrong because it's yeah. I also hope a lot of people are getting a lot of cat name inspiration from this. There's some good ones here. Like Kong and Solitaire. I want to get two cats named Kong and Solitaire. Solitaire is a great name for a cat. It is great. And Claudius. Let's not forget. I'm Claudius. So we know that now we're discovering that these killings have been going back many years. This is not just six victims. This is hundreds of victims. We've got to find Joker is our only lead. We don't know who the prophet is. You know, we've got to figure this out. I wrote in my notes here that bluebird blue beard. Sorry, I keep saying bluebird blue beard. He can't stop talking about cod. He just wants some cod. This is a running a running gag and it is pretty funny. Also, just every time I think or talk about cod, I have to say that the rock eats like 15 pounds of cod a day or something really crazy. Look up the rocks diet. Yeah. Well, and Duncan also recently got really invested in cod. He got a book about cod. Duncan read a book called a lot of facts about cod. For example, Cape Cod is called that because of cod, which is something that is maybe the most obvious fact in the world, but that I had literally never associated cod, the fish with Cape Cod, the place. Pretty interesting. They're related, if you can believe a cod piece in Shakespeare wearing a cod piece all the time cover cover up your manhood. Fascinating. You know, cod is like one of the rare fish you can find that's actually pretty affordable. I feel like you can really buy a lot of cod. It was built on cod, if yes, Duncan. Good for Duncan. Good for Duncan. Yeah. Yeah, America doesn't run on Duncan. It runs on cod. It runs on cod. So we're trying to find Joker, but we're not sure where he is. Bluebeard tells us that he lives a little further outside of town. He's not, he's not right in the center where, where everybody else is. It's getting late. So Francis goes home and goes to bed. He wakes up and he hears a cat in heat, a female cat in heat yowling. He goes to follow the sound. We see a gorgeous orange cat with like, looks like severe black eyeliner, like just absolutely stunning. She's rolling around, spread eagle, just begging for it. Absolutely fucking begging for it. Oh my God, we get a freaking cat sex scene. Oh, I feel like it's like not fun when cats have sex. No, it's not fun. It's really not fun for us. Animals. It's not fun when they have sex. Sharks really bad. Oh, I don't like that. I don't, I mean, I'm not surprised to hear it. Francis circles her for a little bit and then mounts her. And yeah, they like, they grab the scruff of the neck in their mouth. They like bite their neck while they mount them. Mack does this to bunk all the time. It's really upsetting. Oh God. And they fuck. Francis afterwards says, so what breed are you making conversation? Very polite. A little, a little, let's get to knowing each other. Coidal conversation. And this cat's pretty coy about her breed says, I'm a new breed, but also an old breed asks what her name is. She says, my name would confuse you or something, something like that. That confused me. But we're like, okay. Interesting specimen. Seven or something from a lab. Number one. He meets up with blue beard. Not many orange cats are female. Yeah. So that's what I'm thinking for us to form us. Everyone like knows that he's had sex because they can smell it. So they're like, who is she? Francis describes. I was like, I've never seen a breed like this before, like some sort of new breed, but she's also like a very old breed. And blue beard recognizes this. He's like, oh yeah, there's been a lot of that kind of cat. They're like less domesticated, a little like more wild than, than right, than the cats that we know. And Francis is like, okay, well, let's, let's go talk to Pascal again, because he's really smart and he's got that computer he might know about the breeds. Francis says, I'm going to go find Pascal. You go try again to find Joker where we got to get spot on this. Francis gets to Pascal's, who's. He's like being real. He's like talking in riddles almost. He's not being super helpful in answering these questions. He's like, well, maybe this killer is just the smartest cat that's ever lived. And that'll be no catch. He's being, yeah, I'd say a little obvious about it, but Francis is not picking it up for being like so, like wanting to be a detective so bad. He's not really picking up these hints. We cut to, we see blue beard at Joker's house. It's empty. He can't find him anywhere. But he finds a whole bunch of cat statues that really freak him out. There may be cat urns. I don't know. They're like, they're cat shaped, like metallic looking little containers. Freaky. He's, he runs out of there. He's going to Pascal's to tell Francis. And Pascal is like, we see Pascal's talking to Francis. And I don't know, just like being weird. I can't remember what happens there. Sorry. Blue beard tells Francis after he's like done talking to Pascal to, he's like worried for him. He's like, I don't know what's going on. Something weird is happening and you're like getting right in the middle of it. And so just like you're putting a target on your back. I just want you to be careful. And Francis is like, well, Pascal's surely in danger then too, because he's just like so smart and knows so much. And the killer would surely be intimidated by that. So we got to protect Pascal too. And they call a meeting Pascal and Francis and they get all the neighborhood cats around and they're saying that we think something is going on with these like a lab doctor in a lab. We, I think Pascal knows the doctor's name is Professor Prettarius. And Pascal says something like a lot of you fell victim to his tests and don't remember. And we do know like blue beard has a missing eye. We see, we saw the guardian of the dead is all fucked up. We know that Felicia had her memory. And so a lot of cats are looking around like, oh my gosh, maybe that's what happened. And I don't remember. And this like little girl cat chimes in at the meeting and says like, I don't think Claudandus died. Claudandus, my grandpa said that Claudandus survived and killed Professor Prettarius and has been like living in his home alone to this very day. And Pascal is like, oh, well, that's crazy. Obviously that's not true. And like, Claudandus is dead. And he says, who told you that? Who's your grandfather? And she says, well, my grandfather's Joker. We know that Joker is in cahoots with the prophet, which maybe is Claudandus. And again, I'm not entirely sure. It's a lot. The web is intricate here. Absolutely. But Francis is still not putting it together. And he's saying like, well, Joker must have killed Claudandus and Joker must be the killer that we're all looking for. And so they blue beard and Francis return to Joker's and they find him dead. Yeah. So now Francis is like, wait, OK, so Claudandus is probably alive and is probably the killer. And then he's, for some reason, looking at a book of like Egyptian history and hieroglyphics and sees the like, you know, cats were worshiped in Egyptian times. And he sees a cat that looks very similar to his lady cat that he just had a had a sexual encounter with. Mm. So. Francis goes to confront Pascal. Who admits finally, yes, he is Claudandus. And he did kill Professor Praterius. Wow. And he has been since then trying to breed the super cat, which seems like Dr. Praterius was also doing. So I don't know what it seems like they're kind of the same side. So that's why I'm a little confused about it. Sure. He's like, let me do it. I don't want you to do it. I will do it. And so he's been killing all the Tom cats that have been trying to mate with the perfect women, the perfect newly bred. I see. Women. Because he's trying to breed cats back to their natural form, which was a superior breed that humans worshiped. He says he says mankind is evil and he wants cats to rule again. Got it. Honestly, like same. Down. Francis says, Francis says, no, some humans are good. My human is good. Gustav. Gustav is good. And he's like, I won't let you do this. So they get into a big crazy fight. Oh, wow. They knock over the computer, which sparks and causes a fire in the house. Oh my God. And they're swiping at each other. This is a brutal cat fight. They're drawing blood. This is this is this is what it would be like because cats fight really crazy. Yeah. And it gets to be like kind of slow motiony. It looks like Pascal slash Clawdandis is coming in for it for the kill. It's almost like that shot of Scar or Mufasa. I can't remember where it's like slow motion, like flying through the air, claws out, mouth open, just ready to pounce and attack and rip you apart. And we see Francis doing some little calculations that I had. What am I going to do to defend myself? And Francis leaps in the air just below Clawdandis and takes one little claw and frigging guts and slices his belly completely open. Jesus. Yuck. Clawdandis collapses on the floor. And in his dying moments, he says, there's so much evil in this world that I became evil. Oh, wow. What a final statement. You either die here or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Then we we had seen Bluebeard go into the house a little bit before Francis. And as Francis is now running out of this burning building, he sees Bluebeard in a puddle of his own blood and the downstairs. And he he grabs Bluebeard by the scruff and drags him outside of the house. And we see Bluebeard in his dying moments. I'm sorry, I never trusted you, Bluebeard. I'm so sorry. And Bluebeard dies. And I don't remember if he says anything. I don't think he does. Well, actually in the Wikipedia, it says Francis rescues an injured Bluebeard from the flames. So maybe Bluebeard survives. We don't we don't follow up on that. But we do get a voice over now again from Francis, just like in the beginning, where he's he's narrating how Clawdandus lost his innocence. Just like the humans, we must go on living, believing in a world where animals and humans can all live together in harmony. And that's the end of the movie. Whoa. What a film. Really strange. Sorry, I really struggled with it at the end there because it's just completely bizarre. The metaphor is both so clear and so unclear to me. Yeah, it didn't seem to me like the movie was about humans and cats being able to like live in harmony together. That wasn't. No, no, but also like who's the animals in this metaphor? Right. Right. You know what? I don't want to think about it. Here's the thing. Here's the thing about me right now. Here's the thing about me right now. I don't want to. I don't want to give it one more thought. I think that's the takeaway is you. Jenix is bad. That is the takeaway. And I agree. Yeah. And the ends do not justify the means. Anytime anyone is starting to say, well, we got to do it. This is just how it has to be. It's just how it has to be. That's a sure sign that that person has become evil. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We should care about the means on second thought. Let's not name our cats Claudine is not after this cat. Not after the solitary Kong still up for. Bluebeard, Bluebird, Joker's. That's a controversial one, but you could. Yeah, we didn't love to meet somebody whose cat was named Joker. No, no, if that's you. Sorry, I said that. Francis. Francis is a great name for a cat. Felicity Felicia. Yep. Bunk Mac. Yep. Convict still on the table. Wow. That was weird. You were right. Yep. Really weird. Hit the nail in the head. That was weird one. And I hope you all enjoyed it. A lot of cat tangents. That's my favorite thing to talk about. So yeah, I had a great time. We did too. I do love cats very much. They're great. They're really great. Yeah. Okay. 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