Congressman Randy Fine Discusses Controversies, Accountability, and the CIA

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He'll also help us understand what's about to come ahead on Iran, where the president goes on the strategy, what a timetable might look like, what the optionality the president has, military blockade, more sanctions. They've got a lot of things. and he understands it really well. So we'll kick off the show today with Congressman Randy Fine. Great, great, interesting interviews. Always says what he means, means what he says. He's very candid. I like that in an interview. We get right to brass tacks. In the second block of the show, we're going to talk to John Hart at OpenTheBooks.org, one of the best tracking tools on the Internet for figuring out where your tax dollars go, when it's wasted, when it's well spent. He has been finding all sorts of new forms of fraud. And he's got some big ideas on how to stop the epidemic of wasted payments, meaning errant payments that the government makes that shouldn't go out. It's in the hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Isn't that crazy? Just think about that, how crazy that is. Then the third block of the show, a fun conversation with Jan Jekyllic. He's one of the senior editors over at Epoch Times, a great journalist. He hosts a great TV show. He's got a brand new book out on China's organ harvesting. It's one of the great humanitarian and ethical crises of our time, but almost no one addresses it. I bet you President Trump addresses it when he goes to China and meets with President Xi in April. We'll talk to Jan Ekeliak about that in the final block of today's show. So we've got a good Sunday brunch thing. A lot of food for thought, which I like. That's why we call this the brunch edition. Hey, a couple of quick things I want to point out to everybody. You know the story we broke on Friday. I want to go back to the we're getting a sense of what happens when you have a intelligence community and a law enforcement community that is hijacked by politics, where the rules of intelligence gathering our analysis are eviscerated. and the only interest is the political viewpoint of a person or a group of people or the administration, which, by the way, shouldn't be the case for law enforcement or intelligence. There's plenty of places where an administration's politics belong. Any policy, it's, hey, they win the election, they get the call what they want. But intelligence is supposed to be apolitical. It's supposed to be neutral. It is supposed to be accurate. It's supposed to be actionable. And what we learned from those 19 CIA reports that were recalled by the CIA's director this week, John Ratcliffe, is that there is a really significant concern about politicization because it's had some really significant impact. It's actually led to bad things. Let me give you some examples of politicalization. You know them well now, but when you put them all together, you go, oh my God, you're right. That's how bad the rot is. It was the FBI who decided that parents who went to school board meetings to raise concerns about their children's curriculum were potential threats, terrorist threats. Then the FBI got the idea that maybe Catholics who go to Latin Mass, traditional Latin Mass, which isn't very common, but I get it. People like it. I've been to a Latin Mass. They might be radicalized. Well, now we know that the CIA had an intelligence product from 2021 during the Joe Biden years that portrayed women who believe in seeking a path of traditional motherhood, staying at home, raising your children for a period of time as potentially extremist threats. All right. Then you had FBI agents that we prove lost their security clearances in security clearance reviews that ask questions like, do you support Donald Trump? Are you Second Amendment? advocate, the FBI has had to admit that was wrong as well. These ideological hijacking, politicalization of these agencies lead to things that affect our civil liberties, our safety, our cohesion as a society, our trust in institutions like the FBI and the CIA that we need to trust because they have a really important job. That is why the story we broke this on Friday is so darn important. All right. Just my thought for the day. A little food for thought, not a lot, but just a little bit. It should be interesting to you. All right. We've got a great show for you tonight. We really do. And as I told you, we got Congressman Randy Fine at the top of the show, John Hart and Jan Jekyllic. And with a lineup like that, we shouldn't waste much time. Let's hear from a couple of our sponsors. We'll be right back and then we'll get right down to business. Hey, folks, if you're a homeowner like me in America, you need to listen to this. 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Nothing to lose except higher blood pressure numbers. Go to 120life.com, use that JTN promo code. These statements have not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. our first guest today is pretty special he's trending even though he's in congress he's trending on uh x right now for alongside of some pretty darn good looking dogs and the answer to how that all happened is uh tied up in an amazing yarn he is a great congressman for the state of florida randy fine congressman good to have you on the show today thanks for having me Okay, so I want to get to your remarkable trending moment in social media. But before I do, pretty serious moment, a very clear red line drawn in the sand tonight by President Trump. Iran has 15 days. He's not going to wait six months and let them do their normal rope-a-dope of negotiation. How insignificant is it that we have a deadline, a date, and a clear delimiter for Iran to meet? Well, I think it's very significant. Look, Donald Trump doesn't mess around. And so he's now laid out a time frame for when he expects a deal to be cut. It is clear that Iran cannot have two things. They cannot have a nuclear weapon and they cannot have a delivery system in order to deliver that nuclear weapon to the United States, an intercontinental ballistic missile. Those two things cannot happen. And Donald Trump's given them 15 days. They're either going to give it up and they're going to work with us or he's going to go in and take care of it. And if the world has learned something over the last year, it's when Donald Trump says he's going to do something, he goes and he gets it done. Yeah, I think that that's exactly right. There's a lot of hardware in the Middle East right now, perhaps the largest assemblage of American might in the Middle East that we've seen since the second Gulf War. The capabilities are all there for the president. One thing that I've heard some people talking about is that you could have a prelude to a military attack by just creating a blockade and strangleholding Iran's export of oil or import of food and money and water and things that it needs. Is that a potential step in between a direct attack on the mullahs and where we are today? Well, it's certainly an option that the president has. And again, I trust his judgment. But we have clamped down on a lot of those things. Iran is not selling a lot of oil these days because of all the embargoes. Could we tighten things even more? I'm sure that we could. But I think for now, we've done a lot. And I think he's very clear. Two weeks, we either get the job done one way or we're going to get the job done another way. Yeah, important. And I think the American people want to see a resolution. The Iranian people, I think, are praying for a resolution. So it's going to be pretty interesting to see where our base is not with the Iranian people. It's with their mothers who've governed for 40 years with such tyrannical consequences. When you look out over the horizon, the work that occurred in Venezuela, the removal of Maduro, the flipping of that government to a more pro-American stance, it seems to have opened up a lot of opportunity for us, including identifying the shadow fleets that were running energy and oil to Cuba, to and from Russia and to and from Iran. That seems like Venezuela was more than just Venezuela. that we got a lot of other benefits against some of our other enemies and frenemies. Is that likely strengthening President Trump's hands with all three of those countries? Absolutely. Look, there are three real threats in the world today as nation states. They are Russia, China and Iran. But Iran is the one that is most kinetically active towards hurting America. They've killed hundreds of our soldiers going all the way back to Beirut. They were behind all of that. You know, obviously the war in Gaza over the last two years, where many Americans were killed there as well. They fund evil all over the world. They're the largest state sponsor of terror all over the world. And if we simply allowed the Iranian people to have the government they want, if we made Persia great again, it would transform the world. Because first, it would clean up all these problems in the Middle East. Second, it would create a new source of oil. You could get rid of the sanctions. That would help the entire world economy. And they would rejoin and become the kind of country and the kind of culture they were before their Muslim cleric leaders took over in 1979. So making this change is an unambiguous good for the world. It would be transformative. And yet one more legacy setting event for Donald Trump. Yeah. And while the ominous potential consequences for Iran are on one hand, there's a carrot just across the street from it, because today the Board of Peace met in order to put touches on a really ambitious American effort to rebuild Gaza, to give the Palestinian people and the Israelis who live there real economic hope and opportunity and engagement that they've been denied by radical leaders for a long time. Is that the carrot that when Iran looks over the way, they say, hey, my friends are abandoning me because they like that deal better? Well, I don't know that it's a carrot for Iran, because Iran has not been destroyed in the same way that Gaza has. The carrot has always been there. The carrot is a wealthier, prosperous country. I mean, Iran should be a rich nation. They have massive oil reserves. And so were they willing to give up the crazy Islamic terror and all of the other stuff that they do and just become a normal friend of the world? I think the country would be incredibly prosperous and successful. It'd be great for their people. It'd be great for the world. So this is one of those instances where a relatively small number of people, the Muslim clerics who run Iran, not only hurt the world, but they hurt their own people. And if Donald Trump can get that problem fixed, everybody wins. The Iranian people, the Middle East, the United States, and frankly, the entire world. Yeah, no doubt. It could be a history changing event. Absolutely. offing for us. All right. A few people in New York are also making a lot of people uncomfortable. In fact, the Big Apple feels more like the mediocre apple since Mamdani took over. But over the weekend, a Democratic activist, Muslim activist who's aligned with Mamdani suggested that maybe some Muslims would like to take dogs away from those in New York. You weighed in on the side of dogs, which as a dog lover, I know is an important thing. Your words have been twisted by a lot of people. Tell us what happened, what you really meant and what's happened online because you have a fan club, the greatest fan club of dog lovers I've ever seen, maybe even bigger than the Kennel Club. Yeah, look, I don't know that my words were taken out of context, but here's what happened. Akeem, I'm Donny advisor. And obviously we can see Sharia coming to New York in multiple ways in terms of the people he's putting in office, the way he's talked about immigration policy. Now the call to prayer is being played. Muslims plan to occupy Times Square because apparently praying in their mosque isn't good enough. So we've seen Sharia come full force in New York. And one of his advisors over the weekend said the following. Finally, Islam is coming to New York City. Dogs are unclean and they should not be indoor pets. She called on a ban for us to have dogs as pets. Now, look, if people want to come to the United States, we can talk about that. But you don't get to move here and then demand how we change how we live. So I made a pretty simple statement. I said, if people like this lady, if they're going to make us choose between dogs and people who are unwilling to live with dogs, I'm going to choose dogs. It's not a difficult choice. And the left went crazy because what we've learned is this. They used to say if you don't want unfettered illegal immigration If you don't want anybody to come here for any reason If you're against that, you're a racist And then they said, well, it's not enough that they come here We have to give them everything they want for free Food stamps housing health care education And if you not willing to give them everything they want for free You a racist Now what they saying is after they come after we given them everything for free if we aren't willing to change how we live, if we aren't willing to give up what it means to be an American, that we're racists. And they've gone crazy, because I've said it's pretty simple. In America, we love dogs, we're going to keep our dogs, and if they don't like it, they can leave. Yeah, that's all he meant You were never trying to equate that a Muslim person is a lesser creature than a dog Some people have suggested that That's not what you were suggesting, right? Not in any way I don't know how you could interpret that from my view I said if I have to choose I have to choose I didn't say one is better than the other But I also, but I don't think that And the key point of my comment was If they make us choose I'm Jewish Jews generally don't eat pork But you don't see us demanding that barbecue joints go out of business because barbecue is what it means to be American. And that's the difference is you're allowed to practice your faith in privacy and in freedom. But it ends when you tell me what I have to believe. You don't get to do that in America. There are 57 countries in the world where you can go be Sharia compliant and not have a dog. It's my job to make sure we don't become number 58. And with a guy like Mom Donnie, we have to be worried about that. The outpouring of support from dog lovers, including in Congress. A lot of your colleagues have some funny, funny posts that I've been watching. But it's been just a tsunami of support among dog owners saying thanks for coming to our defense. Oh, yeah, because this is, you know, this is as American as it gets. It amazes me. This is not an 80-20 issue about dogs in the United States. This is like a 99-1. And what's extraordinary is as dozens and dozens and dozens of Democrats in Congress have lost their minds, said I should resign, I should be censured, all of these things. By the way, they're not bothered by Democrats who steal $5 million. They're not bothered by Democrats who assault ICE agents. That doesn't bother them. But as they say, I should get in trouble. Not a single one of them has said, I disagree with what Randy Fine said, but I'll fight like hell to make sure those who want Sharia can't take away your dog. Not a single one of them. Not one. Not one has said, I will make sure you can keep your dog. Which is, by the way, I have introduced just today the Protecting Puppies from Sharia Act, which would defund any city and any state, anyone. One, I don't know if the post is out yet, but the bill is filed. Any city or any state that says you can't own a dog. And we can laugh because it's insane to think about. But the fact of the matter is it's a serious solution. It doesn't like dogs. I'm not criticizing it. They just don't like dogs. You know, I mean, that's OK. They're allowed, but they just can't tell me I can't have a dog. All right, folks, that was a great interview. Congressman Randy Fine, I bet you didn't expect us to be talking about dogs today, but we did. And they do have an impact on politics and our culture. And remember, culture is upstream from politics. All right, John Hart's going to take us on a little bit of an accounting trip. How do we waste $180, $200 billion a year by sending payments to people who aren't entitled to them? They might be dead. They might not be the people they're intended for. Wow, that's a real problem. That's a real number, by the way. John Hart's going to explain it next from OpenTheBooks.org right after these messages. Welcome back, America. We have a big question that we learned, particularly because of the Minnesota fraud scandal that we started covering here back in 2024. Hard to believe it's been almost two years now. How much fraud goes on a year in the government? Some goes to dead people. Some goes to illegal aliens. Some go to foreign fraudsters. The numbers are pretty astounding. Our next guest has put pen to paper, Green Shade, to the fact, and he has the latest. He's the CEO of one of my favorite groups, Open the Books, which does a great job helping us all understand. Our tax man, he is spent. He is our good friend, John Hart. John, great to have you back on the show. John, it's great to be on again. Thanks for having me. All right. You've done some. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, this is an important conversation. The only way we're ever going to fix it is until people are so armed with the information they actually make their lawmakers get it done. So you're the front line of so much of the most valuable information on this. you've got a pretty stunning number of what's just lost to fraud in the year. Tell us what you found. Yeah, John, look, I think, you know, the reason the reason I am hopeful is that you can't have accountability without visibility. And so it's vital that we have transparency in our government. So that's what Open the Book's mission is, is to make sure every taxpayer has access to true information about where their money is going. So what we found in this latest study is we looked at something called improper payments. Now, improper payments, it's bigger than fraud. But it's really an improper payment is a payment that shouldn't have been made, either as an overpayment, payment to the wrong person. And a lot of it is fraud. And the biggest defender, actually, is CMS, which we see a trend in. That's the Center for Medicaid and Medicare Services. We see that all over the country, particularly in states like Minnesota and California. But, John, the number is really astonishing. So we really just kind of burn and throw away about one hundred and eighty six billion dollars a year just on improper payments. And the Trump administration has made that number somewhat better. It really peaked during COVID, where you had in some years $300 million or, I'm sorry, billion or more just in improper payments. And to put that in perspective, we're talking about $1,400 per household up to $2,000 per household during the COVID era. In other words, the average household is financing $2,000 or $1,400 just on improper payments. And that's really an astonishing number. And the reason, if we step back and really think about it, the reason this is happening, John, is that we have a federal government that is too big to succeed. We are entrusting way too much authority, way too much power in a centralized federal government when we should be devolving a lot of that power to the states. I have an op-ed. It just came out today with David Walker, who's the who's a comptroller general. He was he's an independent. And and, you know, he and I agree that, you know, one of the things we need to do is have a 21st century federalism approach and really rethink how we structure and organize the federal government, because that's really why we have these eye poppy numbers. And we have these just nauseating cases of fraud that we see all over the country in states like Minnesota. that. If you can afford to lose $186 billion a year and not whine about it, you must be too big because you're not noticing that level of money. It's just crazy. We had David Walker on in December. We'd spent a whole show on fraud prevention. He had this really great approach to what that 21st century federalism looks like. And it had some pretty easy things that have been on the table for years that no one gets done. Things like just make sure every federal agency checks the death database before they send out a payment, make sure that everybody checks that the contractors are still valid. Lots of things that would catch improper payments going out. Why is it that Republicans who say they're the fiscal conservatives haven't implemented these things? I mean, Congress hasn't done anything. The doge thing came and went with no real measurable impact. Yeah, I think they did do some things. I wish they would have done a lot more, but But there has been progress made on really attacking the improper payments issue. Senator Ernst, Senator Kennedy have done really good work to really slow and stop the payments that go to dead people, for instance. But you're right that not enough has been done because the truth, John, is that what happens in Congress is everybody wants to be kind of a TikTok star, wants to be in the media. And this is the nitty gritty, difficult work that it really takes a lot of attention to detail to get it done right. And I describe it as kind of like what politicians want to do is they don't want to pull weeds. They want to mow the flower bed and claim credit for cutting spending. But actually doing it is very, very difficult, as my old boss, Senator Coburn, modeled. We cut spending very effectively during that era. And look, I think the reason it's so important to talk about this is this is a common sense, no-brainer reform. I don't think there's a single person in the country that wants to see a dollar wasted on an improper payment. And I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat or what ideology you have. No one wants to see their money just, you know, go up in flames through improper payments. And so I think there really ought to be a much more serious focus on both sides of the aisle to get Congress's arms wrapped around this problem. But again to do that John I think it really takes a comprehensive look at the massive size and scope of the administrative state We have over 400 agencies and sub when the Constitution really only said we should have four or five at the most And that the conversation that we need to have as a country is to figure out what do we want the federal government to do and what should the state governments do And I think if we trust people of common sense, they'll make the right decision. And we just need a lot more common sense in Washington than we see right now. all right when i first came to town there was an old wisconsin senator by the name of bill proxman used to do the golden fleece award and he said that one of the greatest challenges that politicians face is that they love to cut other people's money but not in my backyard you had a good example of this recently we have a lot of members of congress that have been upset about wasteful spending in colleges but when it comes to their own alma maters they like setting up some more money for them, don't they? They do, yeah. We put a report out that showed that, you know, Congress has spent, we call it the Department of Me, where senators are sending, you know, over $600 million just on earmarks to their alma maters. And, you know, Senator McConnell, he was one of the worst offenders, but there's a lot on both sides of the aisle that have really, I think, really misused their position to direct this money. And look, you know, back in, you know, When we were fighting earmarks in the Senate, the argument we would make is, look, the effective senator or representative is not the one who sends money back to the district. The effective representative or senator is the one that prevents money from leaving the district. And that instead of celebrating ribbon cutting ceremonies hosted by politicians, we should understand that every dollar saved in Washington is a dream realized somewhere else in America. And instead, focus on expanding opportunity to give people the right to do ribbon cutting ceremonies in their own personal life, you know, to have the first child, the first job. Those are the moments that matter in life way more than some earmark to an alma mater. And every dollar we spend on these earmarks to me or senators, it's a dollar that's not available to help a family pursue their dream and their ambitions. All right, folks, there is an industry in China. It's about two decades, a quarter century old now, where people who have no say, they're prisoners of the Chinese Communist Party, and they have their organs harvested so that they can be sold to someone who might pay for them. Sounds unethical, right? Sounds immoral. It is. Yanya Kelly has written a whole book to force us to think about it because we don't talk about enough of what's going on today. Yanya Kelly from the Epoch Times next after these messages. Welcome back, America. One more segment to go. We're going to focus on something that's right around the corner. Hard to believe won't be long before President Trump is together with President Xi in China at a major summit in Beijing currently planned for April. Some tough topics on the agenda. Likely, we're going to turn to a senior editor at the Epoch Times. He's the host of a fantastic TV show I watch every week. He's an award-winning filmmaker, and now he's the author of a new book that I think everybody here needs to order and get ready when it comes out on March 17th. Killed to Order, China's Organ Harvesting Industry and the True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary. Jan, you can't like us with us right now. Jan, great to have you back on, my friend. John, it's fantastic to be here. This is not an easy subject, but if we're going to be a moral country, if we're going to be an effective country, we have to confront China about its forced organ harvesting monopoly. I guess maybe that's the best way to call it. Tell us a little bit about what forced organ harvesting is and how prevalent it is in China. John, I liked how you described a monopoly because it really is the only place in the world that it really even can happen. And so let me explain quickly, right? You need a kind of state actor. You need someone who can push massive, massive propaganda through a population to basically dehumanize a large group of people, a target group of people, kind of like what the Germans did in the 30s to the Jewish people. You also have to have the power to incarcerate a huge group of people. And this is what they did with the Falun Gong practitioners back, the Chinese Communist Party did with the Falun Gong practitioners back in 1999, when there were 70 to 100 million people basically doing this grassroots spiritual discipline, truthfulness, compassion, forbearance. And the dictator at the time decided to roll it up, basically to eradicate it, to use his words. And what they did was they pushed massive propaganda into the system against this group and then also incarcerated a million, maybe two million. We don't know how many. Then they started blood typing, tissue typing, organ scanning. OK, and here's the deal. OK, before 2006, there were actually ads online that would say you can get a new heart at a Chinese hospital. if you have 150 or 200 grand in the pocket, you can actually get that in two weeks scheduled. In any civilized society, any ethical transplantation system, it takes a long time to get a transplant because someone has to have a catastrophic accident and then they have to match their blood type, their tissue type, their organ size and so forth. But in China, you've got this incarcerated prisoner of conscience whose vitals are in a database and they are ready to be killed to order the moment that you actually make that deal, you pay the cash, they can be shipped and killed to order. And that's the reason I called the book Killed to Order. Yeah, it is stunning. It is a human atrocity that everyone should be spoken speaking about, but it hardly gets discussed. I mean, you're one of the few. Talk a little bit about the target victims here, the Uyghurs and the those who are at odds with China being the most likely to be organ harvested? Well, this is actually the huge tragedy, right? In 2000, this is when the organ industry was very, very small. Then they incarcerated the Falun Gong and started working on them for this industry. Basically, it grows geometrically until 2005, and then kind of plateaus towards the end of 2000 at 60,000 to 90,000 transplants a year, if you can imagine. We don't have really good evidence that it's actually gone down much from those kinds of numbers. Now, because nobody really did anything, at 2014 and 2015, now we're talking about it, the regime looked and found another group, and you mentioned them, the Uyghurs, okay? So they've basically dehumanized a huge group of people, about 12 million in the northwest of China, and then they incarcerated a million or more of them. And then there's places, there's a guy named Ethan Gutman, he has a book coming out called The Xinjiang Procedure, about that, named after that province. He's documenting situations where there's a hospital, there's a crematorium, and then there's an incarceration or concentration camp all side by side. And he's got some numbers that he's putting out as well, which I actually document in my book as well. Amazing, amazing work being done there. But my worry, John, is I'm seeing this kind of dehumanizing rhetoric now starting to kind of push against Christians. We've seen the Zion church be rolled up. Okay. The leaders are still in prison after many months. Okay. This was an online group. Basically, you know, they were really trying to nod to anything afoul of the Chinese Communist Party, but it turns out just existing as Christians is a problem. And we even have a Catholic clergy now being controlled at a higher level. I just talked with Bob Fu, my friend who is a works on China, human rights issues related to Christians. He's a pastor in Midland, Texas. And he said, yes, he's seeing that same dehumanizing rhetoric starting to happen. Let's actually stop this, right? Let's stop the next group from being added. All right. We've got about a minute left. President Trump's going to come face to face with President Xi in Beijing on Chinese territory. What can the president do to address this and make a difference quickly? Forced organ harvesting is something the regime really hates brought up at any given time, right? I would propose, and the President Trump is perhaps one of the very few leaders in the world who could even do this, okay, to simply say, you know, if you get rid of this abhorrent industry, you know, we can actually, you know, work with you in a much better way, because this is a crime against humanity. You know, no one wants to have this on their record. You could have it on their record, Mr. Xi, to get rid of this. All right, folks, that wraps up our Sunday edition of John Solomon Reports. The podcast from Just the News, a big thank you to our three guests, Congressman Randy Fine, of course, John Hart from Open the Books, and Yanya Kelly from the Epoch Times. Please go get Yann's book. It's going to be an eye-opener. Sometimes we have to look evil in the eye. We have to confront it, absorb it, understand it so that we can defeat it. All right, back tomorrow with regular programming. South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson will be in the house. I think we also got Congressman Mike Worley in the house. That'll be a good conversation. Until then, God bless you and have a great night. We'll see you next time.