Lots to Say: Radio Row Day 1- Vince Wilfork, Justin Reid & NFL Honors Recap

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. Now here's Bobby and Matt. Alright, welcome to the show from San Francisco, which is crazy after being here for a couple of days, leading to the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is not actually here. It's in Santa Clara. Right. But I don't know if I've ever been to Santa Clara, but that's not an easy drive. It's not super quick. I don't believe it is. I mean, when you're in San Fran, Santa Clara is probably about a 30, 40 minute drive from here. Is this familiar to you, like San Francisco, growing up? Did you ever come north? No, I was here occasionally, but like I don't even know what I was up here for. It wasn't like a family drive. It wasn't a family drive. Everybody get in. We'll go to San Francisco. We're in Southern California. Like Northern California and Southern California should be two separate states. Is there a difference in people? 100%. What is a person from Northern California? Northern California, they're unsuspecting. They're under the radar, but they could be a billionaire, right? You would never know. They're not trying to flaunt their money. You go to LA and somebody's dressed up in a three-piece suit, driving a Range Rover, but goes home to a can be poor, a 900 square foot studio apartment. Right? It's a facade. But here these people just they have money, but they don't need to flaunt it. That's what I feel like. The main differences. Giving me your quintessential Super Bowl story, something that happened to you over the last couple days. I mean, I'll say I've walked more around this city and probably got more steps in than I ever have before and I'm telling you some of those hills are treacherous. I'm sweating. I changed my shirt three times yesterday. Just going around to different meetings and and and doing the different interviews and all that stuff. It's an awesome city. I love it. But those hills there you better be in shape. Yeah. It's it's almost bigger than a hill. I think we're underselling it because obviously it's not a mountain. But I've never seen a major city where the inclines are that steep. Right. Like you've probably done the Peloton where they say take it up to 12 and you're feeling it. These had to be 20. Yeah, they're right. I mean, it was it was unbelievable. For me being someone who lives on the in central time zone, obviously we didn't come for very long. So my body is still on central time and so night two that we're here, I go and I do this trivia game show with Barstool and that we won our first match. So we made it to the finals. So I didn't get out until 7 30 or so, which again feels like 9 30 to me. Hadn't had dinner and I would have just been good to go grab something super quick and go to polo anything quick. Guaranteed. But the problem is is that there's just a lot of people out here. Yeah. And everyone's like we want to see you. Let's go to dinner. Let's have a meeting. We hardly ever are in the same town. So we're going to dinner at this place called IRIS or something and we're not even going to get there until eight o'clock, which again, I'll do the math. It's 10 o'clock to my body. I'm so tired. I go to bed at eight o'clock anyway, central time. So we get to this place and I'm thinking, all right, it's not super packed. So I'm going to grab some food quickly. I'm going to order quickly and I'm going to do the hey guys, really good to see you guys. I'm going to go ahead and jump. Yeah, I'm exhausted. I'm going to go back because I got a long day tomorrow, you know, doing the show, doing interviews. And as soon as we sit down, there were five people total at the table. Three were already there and they said, hey, we've already ordered the entre. It's the very famous entre. And I was like, great. In my mind, I'm thinking they've already ordered. It's about to be here. Yeah, you're fired up. You're like, okay, this is this is the best thing. Yes. They know I'm tired. Yeah. So they order the entre. And I'm like, cool. What is it? They said it's the chicken. All right. Would I have ordered the chicken normally? Probably not. Probably it was the ribeye for 30. Yes. So instead the chicken, but I'll eat anything and I'm ready to get out. And I said, cool. Why the chicken? They said, well, it's so famous. It takes 75 minutes to make. I am like, oh, well, and in my mind, I'm like, that sucks. But they have been there. So I'm thinking maybe they've been there for a half hour. Yes. No, they said, oh, five minutes ago. Oh, so when they said they got here early, they literally literally just stepped in right before you and ordered the 75 minute chicken. And they weren't bringing out any other entrees until the 75 minute chicken came. So we sat there. They didn't bring out any appetizers. No, appetizers they did, but not any entrees. So nobody could leave. And so I'm so happy I didn't go to dinner with you. Because I, yeah, I told you today, I'm going to text you if you want to come, come. But again, it was eight Pacific and you were like, no, I'm good, man. I'm tired. And I'm like, man, I wish I could say that. And so it finally came. I didn't get back to my room until 1020, which is Didn't live up to the expectation of a 75 minute. It could have been a pure gold and it still wouldn't. It could. I was so tired. Right. You're just like, I'm just so pissed off that I had to wait 75 minutes to eat this chicken. It was me and then three like agents, my agent and two other agents and Von Miller. Who, you know, he's a Bollinger Pete for the bro. Yeah. The funny thing about Von Miller, and I don't know him. I do now a little bit, but we're sitting there and his guy next to me goes, Hey, you should talk to Von about being on Dancing with the Stars. And at this point, I don't know, Von and a lot of the athletes that I know, they had two type experience with it. They loved it or they got kicked off so quick that they didn't have enough of an experience to love it. Right. They didn't get enthralled in the actual process of. Right. The grind of training, which so I also were sitting at a table with five dudes and I don't want to be like, Hey, man, did you dance? Did you like to wear the shoes? Do you know that I won Dancing with the Stars? So I said, I don't know. Yeah, I don't really. He goes, No, no, no, just say something to him about it. And so I didn't tell him I was on it first. I said, Hey, Von, who was your partner on Dancing with the Stars? Man, he lit up. He was like, It was Whitney. And I said, Oh yeah, I said, How was your experience? He goes, It was the greatest thing ever. And how do you do? I think he made it pretty far. I don't know. He made me set my finals. That's great. And so I said, What you what you like about it? And he's like, I love the training. He goes, It was after one of the first Super Bowl, he was so happy to talk about it. He still didn't know I was on it yet. Right. And one of his guys that doesn't know me goes, Bobby, weren't you on the show? And I was like, Yeah, I was on the show. And so he said, How was your process? I said, I thought it was great, but I had no dance experience at all. Right. I went into it. And so he's like, Yeah, how far did you go? And it was the other thing where I knew he didn't win. You have to say. I didn't want to be like, Well, I won. But you did. But I did. I said, Well, yeah, I won my season. He's like, Why? Really? I say, Yeah. That probably blew his mind. I think it did a little bit because you look at him. Yeah. With no dance experience. Look at me with no dance experience. Well, how many people that is, you probably know that even from our profession that has gone on and they're eliminated, like you said, round one, round two, you probably maybe met one or two winners in this entire lifetime, you being one of them. Yeah. Well, I did tell him he was a little shaken by it. However, when we were finishing our conversation, he was like, Man, I never get to talk about this. Really? Yeah. He was like, Nobody hanging out with everyone wants to talk about dancing with the stars. No, they want to talk about him rushing off the edge and killing people. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think he really liked that. But then he was smart. He said he looked at his phone. We finished that conversation. We started talking about like, because he, I think the Washington still has his rights to play next year. And he's talking about he was feeling healthy, feeling good. And he said, Man, I got to jump guys. I got a call or a party or something. Yeah. And I was like, Man, I'm so jealous. He knows exactly what was up. And he was one of those guys that had enough clout to be like, Hey, he for sure did. I'm bouncing. And he had like four advertisers. So he had enough food. All the way to a party where there was food to. Yeah. Yeah. Where I was, and I was just going back to my room. But he was, he was super nice. He has like a chicken farm. Yeah. He's really into that, right? That like his existence is, he's always been like outside the box a little bit in terms of country boy. He's a country boy. But Texas A&M and rocks the cowboy hat and embraces it chicken farm. That's what I said. Chicken farm. He said, Yeah, I was kind of into science experiment. We started in college and now it's just grown. But he was one of the chicken farm had chicken farm. How many chickens are we talking about here? Do you have no idea? Like, is it one of those that they go in and they show the videos online where they have to take some of the, take some of the flock out and like knock them on the side of the head? He was more excited to talk about dancing and sequence than he was the chicken farm. Really? Yeah. So I just asked him what's up. He said, Now we started in college and still going. And I think when he was doing his promotion of stuff, because when we sit down and do these interviews during Super Bowl week, a lot of these people get hired. Right. Oh, absolutely. And they'll do interviews and at the end of the interview, you agree to ask them a question and they get to talk about whomever hired them. Right. So I, And it's scripted too. So I think he was out promoting his chicken farm. Yeah. He would do the interviews and then be like, Hey, I don't need anybody to pay me. I'm going to promote my own chicken farm. I'm going to tell you, you are the mayor of this place. I don't know about that. And partially it's because you played in the league for how many years? 14. So you have a lot of friends and a lot of people that you've played with. Also, you're a really nice guy. You're a really warm guy. And on top of that, you're a freaking Patriot. Yeah. It helps when the Patriots are in the Super Bowl. And the Patriots are in there. They're here and there's a lot of Patriots. You couldn't go anywhere without people stopping you and being like, Matt Castle, or just one guy just lived next to you and just stopped you. And no relation to the bear. No football relation whatsoever. Just no from Manhattan Beach. Who did you see here that was good to see because at some point you had played with them? Yeah. I mean, we got to interview Vince Wolfork and that was, it's always great to see him because he was a guy in the locker room that was exceptional, great player, but good teammate, fun to be around. So I haven't seen him in quite some time. And so to see him and then who else did I see here? I mean, there's so many different faces that you see. Did you see, was Matt Light here? Matt Light wasn't here. I did not get a chance to see him. I don't even know if he was here. The reason I say that, somebody asked, I was there and someone said, Hey, you know, a really great interview you guys did was Matt Light. I said, well, that's because Castle knew on it. Yeah. I love, love Matty. And I don't even know if he's here. And you know, that's the hard part was when you're getting prepared to come to this place and you know so many people, do you shoot a text out to every person? And potentially, Good call. Do I need to go see this person, this person? Which I want to see in everybody. Yeah. Right. But you could go to every single party and do all these different things, but it's a lot to do in a very abbreviated period of time. So normally I just bank on the fact that I'm going to run into some people, particularly over there at Media Row. You would just be walking through them and people would grab you with a standing microphone, a camera. That's the wildest part about Media Row is that you have the places that are designated as set up for podcasts and those in the shows and all that stuff. But as you're walking through there, anybody with a camera, they've got their own phone on a stand that they'll sit there and they'll go through a five, 10 minute interview. I mean, I promoted something and told Patriot fans in Seattle Seahawks fans to raise money for a cause that the guy never even told me what I was raising money for. So I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm all for it, man. If I can help the kids and help the kids. Love the kids. Love the kids. I was like, at one point I was like, but what am I promoting? Like, I have no idea. Like it could have been something so abstract that nobody's ever heard of, but I'll do it because I'm all about the kids. I only saw the top of Fernando Mendoza's head. I ran into him in the restroom. And so with NBC coverage, we had him for a game this year. And so I was in the room during the production meetings, got to shake hands with the talk to him for a little bit. Great guy. But of course I'm coming out of the bathroom and all of a sudden there's Fernando. I was like, Hey, Fernando. And he kind of looked at me awkwardly trying to put it together. And I said, Hey, I was with NBC, Matt Castle. Nice. Oh, he's like, Matt, nice to meet you. He goes, we talked for a second. I graduated. I'm a great season. He then he hands me his phone. He says, Hey, can I get your number? He's like, I'm just going to go to the restroom. You can just put it down on the on the sink right here. And I was like, Yeah, no problem. He just gave you his phone. He unlocked his phone and gave it to me. Unlocked it, went to contacts. I plugged in my info and then I was like, I'm just going to hold on to this and give it back to him when he comes out. And then all of a sudden he comes out awkwardly and he had like one of his guys, a handler, probably taking him around to the different media outlets he's got to talk to. And he comes out and I was going to shake his hand. I was like, Yeah, well, maybe we'll do the little elbow bump because you just got done going to the restroom. But what an unassuming nice guy. Such a nice guy. I mean, he's honestly one of the, uh, the guys that you interviewed that, you know, he's got it all together. Like he's smart. He understands the game, understands the position he's in. And so I'm interested to see where he goes this year because it's going to be, they're going to get a good guy that's got his head on his shoulders and super mature for his age. I mean, for sure it's Vegas, right? You got to think if you need a quarterback. Unless they trade the pick, trade the pick, get draft capital and they've got to play in there. But I think they probably go for the quarterback, even though they're not ready for it. Is Gino still on contract there? He, he is, but he's not going. If they get Fernando, I imagine he goes and either plays a few games behind Gino or goes immediately. Either that or they're going to keep them there as a mentor that's been through every part, every scenario that you can go through as a quarterback. If he's willing to do so and still be able to pay him because Fernando Satter, he's going to be less being in the first round of the draft. Are there quarterbacks who are good in that role of being that mentor and some that just are terrible that you'd never want to be that role? I think it's the quarterbacks that have been the stars and somebody takes over their position that they struggle with that. And I was with Teddy Bridge, Water in Minnesota. And look, I've been in both, both roles at that point in my career where I was the guy in, in Kansas City. I started all 16 games when I was in the Patriots, but at the same time, I always appreciated somebody that was in a backup role that you knew had your back, that you didn't feel like was trying to always earn back his position or do anything like that. And they were, because you spend so much time as a quarterback group together that you want to know these guys in the room don't have a secondary agenda and kind of behind your back, kind of maybe backstabbing you and doing all that. But I think it's the guys that lose their job, maybe mid-seas or something like that, that have a very difficult time being able to adapt to that new role and not play and have to be there to say, man, I'm going to make this guy the best version of himself and try to help and teach versus still have that competitor's edge inside of them and say, no, I want my job back. And I think those are the guys that struggle. Who was your backup in New England? In New England. So my first year I was there, it was, I was actually third on the depth chart because Doug Flutie was there. So, and he was phenomenal. You know, he's 41 years old at that point. It's not like he was threatened by anything. I said, he's a throwback to the 1980s, drives up in a trans am with an eagle on the front, like would sometimes beat those in off during meetings. It was just the, you know, the time of life he was in next year. We only had two quarterbacks on staff, myself and Tom. And then Tom had some injury. He got banged up against the Buffalo Bills. He had this huge leg confusion. They didn't know if he could go. So we had to bring somebody in brought in Vinny Tessa Verde, which was three to be quarterback three. In case I had to start, yeah, we needed a backup quarterback. So Bill had the relationship with him going back to Cleveland brought in Vinny Tessa Verde, which is another incredible mentor, wealth of knowledge. Did you like him? Awesome dude. Awesome dude. And it, when he'd get on, like you talk about a presence, physically, he, this dude was six, five, six, six, like, test of already was that big dude, yoked up still. He'd get in there and do three 15 on squats at 42 of years of age. Like, but he was like this calming presence. Awesome dude. And he'd get on the, I remember when he would first get on the plane ride to go to the way trips, he'd look like a straight up gangster. Right. He lived in Jersey at the pinky ring on the Kango hat. Like I was like, dude, this guy definitely hangs out with John Gotti. Whenever you were starting the year that Brady went down, yeah, who was your backup? Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell. So they drafted him that year, I think in the second or third round, and they probably at that point, kind of like they did in New England is they would recycle their backups knowing they had had the number. I mean, they had Tom Brady that they had to pay. So they weren't going to really go out there and get a veteran guy and put another guy on the payroll, worth significant amount of money to impact the cap. So Rowan Davy was there before me. They recycled him. I mean, they got rid of him after his tenure was up. And then I was in my fourth year of my rookie contract. So they probably were grooming Kevin to come in and take over that backup role when he was ready because they didn't have to pay him because they didn't have to pay him. You're on your rookie deal. But when I was on my rookie deal, let me go to free agency, but who the hell is going to pick me up that after that year, not having starts playing sparingly, playing in some games. The only significant time I had while Brady was a starter was my rookie year. It was the last game of the season against Miami where Bella Czech let me go on there and play three quarters. And really what I think it was was an audition to see if the following year I would be able to be that backup. And so luckily I went out there and played well and was able to create myself a role as a backup quarterback. But thank God I got that opportunity because I don't know where or where I don't know where my career would have gone from an NFL standpoint if I didn't get that opportunity that year because you know teams aren't looking for a guy that's never had a starter. No experience as a backup quarterback because God forbid their starting quarterback goes down and somebody's got to step into a role and it's an uncertainty. Who is your backup at Kansas City? Kansas City, Brody Croyall. And he had been the starter there for a few years, but it suffered some injuries. One of the most talented arms I've ever been around. Awesome guy, super supportive. Tyler Palco was there as well with me in Kansas City. My last year in Kansas City, but they brought in Brady Quinn. Another incredible guy, great player, could throw it, spin it. Then I went to Minnesota to back up Christian Ponder. You were backing up Ponder? I was backing up and I was really a guy. There was probably some questions about Christian because he was a young kid. They got thrown into the fire, hadn't had a ton of success. You know, I was probably one of the higher paid backers at the time. And so, unfortunately for Christian, he got banged up a little bit that season. So I made probably four, I probably made five or six starts that season, just due to injury. And then late in the year, they just had me play out the rest of the year, which allowed me to basically option out of my contract just to be resigned for a higher number and go back to Minnesota because I wanted to go back to Minnesota. I really enjoyed my time there. And then I started that next year. That's when they brought in Teddy Bridgewater. They drafted it in the first round. So I guess I was that bridge guy. And then the bridge crumbled pretty early because I broke my foot in game three, which sucked. And then I'm on IR for the rest of the season. Then I got traded to Buffalo, Dallas, Dallas traded in the same year. Dallas traded for me once Roma went down. And Brandon Whedon was there with me as my backup there. Roma came back somewhere late in the season, then got broke his ribs again or did something to himself, where played out the rest of that year. And then I went to Tennessee to back up Marcus Marriota. Did you know since you had started and had backups before, heck, you had been a backup, but short because you were a third string guy and then you were the backup, right? Right. Right. Was that like, did you know the role of the backup and how to be a good backup? I did. Did you accept it? I accepted it. Obviously, as a backup, when you get in that role, you don't know when you go to like Minnesota and you're a bridge guy and there's maybe some uncertainty about the starter, there is that possibility right away that you think, Hey, at any point, I could go in and got to be ready and all that stuff. And obviously injuries happen all the time in the league. But in terms of being a backup and a good teammate, that never was an issue for me. And even some of the through the, some of the difficult adversaries I went through in Kansas City, when I got hurt, Brady Quinn went in and I had a concussion, was out for a week. Brady played pretty well, but there was that, okay, our team's not doing too well. Should we start Brady at one point? And so you've got to learn sometimes how to swallow your pride and do what's best. And I think that that's also something that stuck with me and how people viewed me coming into their organization and post, I mean, continued my career, because they knew that I was a had standup character. I'm a team guy, I'm going to be able to help develop and I'd seen enough football and had, gosh, I don't know how many starts I had in the NFL, but I probably was in the 70s or something like that in terms of starts. So I had a lot of experience and knew how to prepare and take the wisdom that I've learned from Tom Brady from Vinny Testa Verde from all these guys throughout my career that helped these young guys learn how to prepare and be a voice and do what they needed to do to be successful. Whenever Phillip Rivers came back, obviously he was older, but the joke was his insurance was about to run out because after five years or so, was that a big deal for you and insurance right now? Man, I got five kids. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? We got to get a signal and look at how much you actually got to pay for health insurance and dental and all that stuff. How many years ago did you retire at this point? 2018. 19, 20, 20. So you've only been without NFL insurance for a couple of years. Yeah. It kicks me right in the, you know what, every single time I look at that bill and I go, man, what is the deal? I got to get a corporate job. The nice part is working for NBC. If you clock enough hours, they offer an insurance. So I have insurance through NBC these last two seasons and I'm like, oh, this is great. But now who knows what's going to happen because my contract's up this year and we might be moving on. So got to go, go back out there, maybe keep, keep on the grind. Do you think you'll stay living in Nashville? I do. Yeah. Yeah. We've been here since 2016. Because you landed here because of the Titans, right? We did, but we also committed here because of Tennessee. Oh, so you came to the Titans. So I went to Detroit after I was done. When I played two years here, I went up to Detroit to finish my career and we came right back. We had the option to go back to California, anywhere we wanted to go, but it kind of, the way in which you can raise your kids, the values, the people, all the stuff, it kind of slowed life down for us a little bit and the kids are happy in school. So I see us for the long run being in Tennessee. I often didn't for a while, especially when my wife moved here because I kind of had a system, a support system, a friend group and she moved from California. Which is hard. Yeah. Which is hard for her, was hard for her. And I thought, you know, I could see myself at some point moving to Fayetteville, Arkansas, and then being in Nashville a little bit, you know, for the things I needed to do, because if Fayetteville would be like closer to Oklahoma where she's from, it's an hour from her hometown. Yeah. Her support system's there. Yes. At least her like family. And so I always thought maybe we'll move to Fayetteville. Are you telling me this now to let me know that we're no longer doing podcasts? No, not at all. Because we bought a house in Fayetteville and... Oh god, now the writing's on the wall. Here we go. We got a house in Fayetteville, but she now does not want, she loves Nashville. Oh, thank god. And that's my point is like, I never thought that she would be someone who loved Nashville only because I just dunked her in the water. She moved here and had, and for a long time she didn't have any friends. So it was hard for her to love a place where she had no friends. It wasn't even about the place. Yeah. But now, you know, they were about to have a kid and stuff. She's like, I really love Nashville. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great place to raise a family Bobby. I don't know about Fayetteville, but I mean, Nashville's a great place. Yeah. Yeah. But Fayetteville has Arkansas. It does have Arkansas. I was thinking about if I lived there, which I'm not. Oh my gosh, you're already such a Homer. Can you imagine the tickets to everything? I would be going to volleyball for sure. Every intramural games. Everything. It would be the greatest experience, but I think when you say that about Nashville being so great, I never really felt that myself because it never really mattered where I lived. Right. You know, grew up in Arkansas, worked there, but then moved to Austin, loved Austin. I was going to say, I always thought you were in Austin. It was the best city. Really? I'm telling you, I had finally decided because I had built my own syndication company. I was starting to make real money that I could make more money off of because I had to, I owned some of what I was doing because I bought it all. I'm best at it. And I was like, you know, I think I can live here and just build it out from here. And I'm not kidding. When I finally had that come to terms with, I think I'm just going to live here. I'm not going to go to LA or New York because that path had presented itself, but not in ways that I felt comfortable leaving it all behind. So I'm going to do it all from here within 30 days. The Nashville situation presented as soon as I accepted that I was in Austin, I'm going to stay in Austin. It was so weird. So I was like, this is home and Nashville was like, bro, let's do it. So we moved. And I always was like, I don't like Nashville mostly because all I was doing was working. So I really didn't trust anybody in the industry because I didn't know why they wanted to be my friend. So I didn't love this city because it was all worked for me. But now that I am able to slow it down a little bit and my wife's able to love it, I do like it. I don't like winter. Winter sucks. Yeah, but it's still a mild winter, comparatively speaking. Last week was crazy or whatever it was with the ice storm, but how often do we get that? But it's not mild to me because I grew up in Arkansas. It's about the same. I grew up in California, bro. Oh, that's true. But you lived in Minnesota. You lived in Buffalo. You lived in Buffalo. That changed everything about you. San Francisco? That's winter. It was 70 degrees. I was sweating my ass off, dude. I was not adapted to that. Isn't it amazing though, like how you can have the best laid out plan and you think you're going this direction. My plan was finally laid out. Yeah. And you're good to go. And then all of a sudden some presents itself and in a heartbeat, you have to make a decision and you go, man, I'm going to trust, I guess my instincts, divine intervention, bro. What I'm worried about now, because I finally come to terms that it's Nashville for me. Oh, yeah, it's going to, yeah. I know I've finally come to terms like, yeah, I can do this. I can live out this career that I've always wanted. It's just going to be from Nashville, but like I'm there. So now I'm just kind of looking around. Oh, man, what big opportunity will present itself next to me? But then if I say that, I'm canceling out the opportunity, right? No, no, you're not. You speak it into existence. Who's the, let's say, biggest legend that you just saw this weekend? Biggest legend. Because I saw, I saw Marcus Allen standing in line to get a credential. I'm not going to lie. Bo Jackson was, yeah, I mean, he's just a legend of the game and his career was short. But at the same time, growing up, I mean, he was like on par with the Michael Jordan's, Bo Nose and all that stuff. So famous. I had the poster. I mean, because how cool was that ad and everything else? We saw Dion out there. Dion's obviously one of those guys. It's a Hall of Famer and somebody that you go, anytime you see Dion, he's got that wow factor. I had to tell you who the boom guys were, the Costco guys. Yeah, I didn't know the Costco guys, but now I'm going to go just dive deep into the internet. You shouldn't. Yeah, it's them reviewing. You said it's them reviewing Costco food and same boom. Yeah, and giving them booms. Because they walk by and they're like giving us dabs. Yeah, I think because people just recognize them all the time. So they are outward about just being nice to folks. For sure. They're so big. They were on like, I think at AEW wrestling, like they were wrestling. Really? They became so big on the internet. And I'm not sure it was like big justice. Kevin, you don't know them, huh? No. I neither. But now I do. But you knew the British guy that gave the compliments. Oh yeah, with the smoking jacket. I'd never seen the guy before. You look lovely to dives. Yeah, like you walk up and he's had a lot of these golf tournaments and stuff. And I've seen some of his feet and it's actually hilarious because it's this polite gentleman making very nice comments that people in a funny manner and you laugh your ass off. I don't know his name or anything like that. And they were right by each other. And I said, Oh, there's the boom guys and and Castle's like, there's the compliment guy. And both of us are like, we don't know who the other person is. I don't know who you're talking about. I guess your feet is different than mine. Probably. Although you're not on a feed much. No, you're limited on what you don't care about it as much. We have five kids. Yeah, I mean, if I if I go down that scrolling thing, yeah, it's not something that I'm really I'm captivated captivated by it in the moment. But I'm not one of those searching for new content. Like I'll do the food porn thing where you go through especially Super Bull Sunday coming up right now. All these people have sex with food. Yeah. And it's it's something that calms my mind, you know, whatever it takes. And if you want to like by me, go ahead. No, yeah, the people that are making like these incredible dishes for Super Bull Sunday that I saw one, the jalapeno poppers were made in a different way. Yeah, I geeked out over that. I was like, honey, and then I just sent it to my wife. So can you make this? Oh, does she? No, I don't think she's going to because we're going to a Super Bowl party probably. Oh, no, I mean, if you send her a recipe, will she make something? My wife can cook her ass off. Really? Like phenomenal. My wife too. I was so surprised by I'm so lucky from that standpoint because she can put she can go into a recipe book and any of these barefoot contests are this that and the other and look at a menu and I mean, it is incredible. She's great. That's super cool. Yeah, all your kids ever want to have the same meal though? Oh, hell no, that's the hardest thing. Are you kidding me? You could make the best meal like that. I think it's thank you. Thank you, honey. But one kid's not eating it. One kid says I'm not hungry. The other one eats it. One eats half of it. Can I have a can I just have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? I was like, guys, we're not an open restaurant. And if we have food in there from another meal that they wanted, can we just have that? And then sometimes you feel guilty and you give in that is sending a president that you don't want because then they figure, look, if I just beg enough, like, and we were reading this book one time and they said, look, if your kid doesn't want to eat, just say fine, you do this is what's being served tonight. And you can sit here at the table and if but this is what's dinner. And then they go to bed starving. I was like, God, I am. I can be one of those people that's a little bit hard at times in that sense. But I don't want my kids going to bed starving when they're six or seven. I was like, that's feels like it's a little ruthless. Your old teammate one MVP, Mass Effect. That was awesome, man. I mean, just even as an acceptance speech having his girls up there. And I mean, he's a girl dad and all that. But the year that he had was phenomenal. Such a remarkable guy. And, you know, obviously, out coming off the season that he has to be recognized as an MVP because he's had an incredible career. But this is another notch in his belt, which I think eventually will lead to the Hall of Fame. And then I thought the coolest part of speech was that he put all the rumors of that, right? He said, I'll be back next season. Hopefully we're not here. We're playing in the game. I thought that was great because we're not sitting there speculating. What are they going to do with the quarterback position? You let the organization know and you rock and roll. It was great. It's also rare that someone wins the MVP and then has to let people know if he's going to retire or not. Yeah, it's usually a younger guy win that MVP, right? Usually, yeah, the old guy is not winning the MVP and then is it the center of speculation of are they going to keep playing? He beat Drake May by one first place vote. One first place vote? I didn't know what was that close. And you know who got one first place vote? Justin Herbert. Okay, come on. Great. You don't know this. Let's hear your reaction. So it was in the and it would have been enough to flip it, but Stafford and it was like, I don't have the nerve like 36 first place votes. Right. Drake May, one first place vote less than that. 35. Yeah, I made the number up. I'm sure Kevin will tell it. Yeah. And then third was Justin Herbert on first place votes. Justin Herbert, one first place vote. See, that's, see, that's where it comes into question. Who made the vote? They, he's mad at the voters again. It's Bella check and crap. Here we go. Who made the vote and what was your reason? I just want to hear the reasoning behind it. You might, you might compel me to go, that makes sense to me. I saw the guy saying why he voted for Herbert and he said it's because he had two offensive linemen and he was able to do this with a lot of resources. That was why you gave him the, which makes sense in some people's minds for sure. And Justin Herbert had a phenomenal year considering all the circumstances of what he went through, but at the same time, the body of work between those two players that we're talking about right here. I mean, it's hard not to say it was a two horse race, so to speak. With you though, you have what, what are the numbers? We had Matthew Stafford, okay, with 24, Drake May with 23. Justin Herbert had one that would have shifted. You didn't have Josh Allen with two, but no one's going to argue that Josh Allen shouldn't have been up there in that mix. But it was that Justin Herbert one vote that kept it from happening. But also that vote could have also gone to Matthew Stafford. So it's not like that vote automatically would have went to Drake May, but what happens if the voting process ends in a tie? Then you have co-MVPs. Do you really? Yeah, you don't flip a coin or anything. You literally, I didn't know if it would maybe be a, no, they can't revote. They'd be vote for the same people. Well, you also have first place votes, second place votes, third place votes, so they do it like that. Cause McCaffrey was like at four, five. Yeah. They really only listed the top three in the final, but if it's a tie, it's literally a tie. It's so hard for there to be a tie because you're ranking everyone. Yeah. I was going to say, has there ever been a co-MVP? Three. Three co-MVPs. Yeah. Who else? When's the most recent? In 2003. 2003. Let me see if I can guess them. They made Manning for sure. Oh, okay. 2003. So I would have, was it Manning? Is he right? Yeah. Okay. Manning and let's just go to the Heisman. Charles Woodson. At a MVP, when is the DB ever won it? It's gotta be a quarter back. But didn't Woodson beat him for the Heisman though? Who is in the Super Bowl? That's my point. Yeah. I was just saying, let's just graduate that. Yeah. Who is in the Super Bowl that year? Dude, I don't know years. So, well 2001, 2002, didn't the Patriots win both of those and they won in L4. I can't tell you a single year anybody did anything. I don't even know what last year was. COVID fried my brain. Okay. So, Payton Manning is going to be an offensive player. Adrian Peterson. I don't even know if he's in the league at that point. I don't need, I just guess somebody so we can stop my version of this game. Say an A to C. I'm trying to think back to two, so Payton Manning's AFC. Were you in the league then? No. Was that right before you? No. That was right before me. NFC. It can be two AFC guys. Yeah. Yeah. Should it? Gosh. All the customers that I'm thinking of, Myer is not. Alex Smith. He wasn't even in the league, but he was a really good football player at that point at Utah. We're just going to buzz you if you don't just yell a name. Yeah. Just go ahead. Yeah. Give me a hit. Yeah. Give me a hit. Okay. Titans. The Titans. Uh, Derek. No, that's too cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. I'm throwing it. Was he really? Yeah. I'm throwing at Chris Johnson. I didn't realize McNair was an MVP of the league. Gosh, that's amazing. Who else? 97. 97. Far. Far. And Barry Sanders. That's a good co-MVP. I wonder if they voted the same way then because it gets down to like point, like point 00. I wonder if it was just like a straight who's MVP. Like if there were teetered back then, it would be so hard to have co-MVPs now. It would be. What's how the voting is. Do you know the other one? Yeah. 1960. 1960. Oh, yeah. Newt Rockney. Norm Bambrocklin. I was just about to say. And Joe Schmidt. Joe Schmidt. Classic. Joe Schmidt was. Third baseman for the Phillies. Studd. Okay. So congratulations, Stafford. Defensive player of the year. Do you know who it was before I tell you? I don't, but I'm guessing it's Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett. Yeah. I was really tough one on that. I'm sure the voters, what were the votes for that award? I want to see that. I never saw the actual votes because it wasn't click, matey going, Oh, look, it's very great. He almost won. I'd offensive player of the year was what Jackson Smith and Jigba deservedly. So what do you have? 1700 yards or something like that receiving and rookie of the year. I'm just going from remembering here, but rookie of the year was Ted McMillan. He had a great rookie. It was pretty good rookie year though. When you look back because there was Ted, there was shock who came on late ish. There was Jackson Darts. Jackson Darts played well. So those were three. Mecca. Abuca. Mecca. But he started so strong. He got injured though. And then yeah, it was a tough, tough end of the year. Yeah. All right, let's go over. You mentioned him. What do you got? Okay. We lost our internet. That's okay though. This rookie year. What about defensive rookie of the year? I don't think there's an offensive defensive rookie there. Is there? There should be. If you have a defensive player of the year and an offensive player of the year for league, you should have an offensive rookie of the year and a defensive rookie here. I hear you. And tell me who the best special teams player was too. Yeah. Kevin wants a best assistant quarterback coach as well. Yeah. All right. So, Oh, Josh McDaniels won. Assistant year. Frable won. Oh, Frable won coach of the year. Coach of the year. Incredible. Yeah. How about the defensive rookie? Carson Swesinger. Yeah. The Brown linebacker. Oh yeah. He was really good. Wow. I didn't know that. How about the pronunciation for Mike Frable on the coach of the year? Did you get catch any of that? Verbal. Yeah. Verbal. Just so off and said it multiple times and I was like, man, that's a coach of the year. Yeah. Maybe they like, maybe practice that a little bit or even put it on there. Like, what is it? Phenetically speaking? Where are you? Yeah. But because they can't tell her this is going to be the coach of the year. No, but you can practice the names. They can't give her like the three that probably are going to win. Like here's who possibly can win coach of the year. There's four possible names. Blake. Let's. Okay. Fire that. Yeah. That's the guy. We're going to go over now to two-time Super Bowl champion Vince Wilford. Vince was a five-time pro bowler named to the Patriots all decade team. He was a beast when he played. We talked about giving his friends and family Super Bowl tickets here. You love Vince. Vince is the best man. Here he is. They're great. Vince Wilford. Vince Wilford is here with us. You guys already know each other. Oh man. Vince is the one of the all-time greats to ever play his position. But I mean what five time pro bowler. I don't know. Yeah, you were two-time Super Bowl champion. All pro Patriots. I don't know how many times I've done it though. Yeah, I had those. Come on. You went to a lot of acceptance ceremonies where you got to sit up there and give a little speech, babe. But I mean not only was he a great player, but an incredible teammate and incredible person. So happy to have you on. Man, I appreciate. Thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it. How you feel about the team this year? Expectations weren't to be here, but they are here. So I mean that's something. Yeah, well I was just telling Matt. I called it at the very beginning when everything. Once we realized that Matt was coming in, I mean Mike was coming in and being a head coach at New England Patriots. I knew. Yeah. I'm like because I played with Mike, right? And I played for Mike when he was in Houston as a coach. And we had, we spent a lot of time talking about certain stuff. But I just remember Mike as a player. When Mike spoke as a player, when you want to feel, you think you're listening to a coach, right? I'm thinking I'm listening to Bill Belichick with somebody off the staff, but he was my teammate. So I just understand like how much he knows football, his football IQ. And one thing I really love about Mike and this is why I tell people the best one of the best things I love about him. He's a great teacher. The way he teaches the game, the fundamentals. He get guys to understand it. And I think to be a great coach, you have to be a great teacher. And I think he had both of those up on his belt. So it's not surprising to see us in this position this fast. Coming from where we came from last year. It's amazing to see. It's what Drake May is doing his second year in as a quarterback man. You know, it's hard. It's unbelievable, right? And I think a lot of times people forget. It is his only second year. So they don't give him as much grace as they need to as a second year player, just because of the success he's had and how he's looking as a veteran. But it's his second year in the game. So for us to be back on this stage, this is where we need to be. This is where we know we would be. And this is where the organization for the past two decades, you get got used to seeing us there. And it's good to see it back, especially with a new era of football players and a new head coach, is heading in everything and new leadership on the team with digs and Milton Williams and all these new faces. It's good to see it doing in a different era. So it's patients one 100% for me. I'm looking forward to it. And hopefully we can get it done one last time. You won three Super Bowls, right? What part of this week did you think was the biggest grind in terms of getting prepared for the week and also media, everything else? When did you really feel like you zoned in and that we were ready to go? For me, it would always be the Thursday, this Thursday right here, right? Because we have two weeks to prepare. Yeah. And basically the second, you know, the first week you go out, you put out game plan, and then you come back there following week and kind of redo some stuff, take away some things, add a few things. But your game plan was your game plan. What you liked and what you put in that first week, you basically just repping it. You have little things here and there that you changed. But this day, this Thursday, that's when I'm really like, okay, let me get my body ready. Let me get locked in. Let me focus. Because I have Thursday, I have Friday and Saturday, I have three days. And I'm laser focused in those days and understanding everything is starting to come together. You know, the paths are off. You know, Thursday is getting your body back. So now you're saying, okay, I've been away for two weeks, but now it's getting there. But I always took this day like it's go time. You hear the stories of you're playing in a Super Bowl, you got cousins and mom and friends, all who want tickets, you played in a bunch of Super Bowls. Did that get easier to provide tickets to the people that you loved? Man, for me, it was very easy. It was a no. Because we used to be able to sell those things. Yeah, to me, and I remember when I first got drafted, and we were talking about tickets and we was going to play the Dolphins. And they say, Vince, well, I know you need about 20 tickets. How many tickets? I say two. I'm like, I don't know. I don't, ain't nobody getting no tickets? Like, no, it's not for that. And like, so early in my career, I established that early on. Don't call for tickets. I'm not buying. If I make it to the Super Bowl, we're not, I'm not going to do this. I'm going to get certain amount of tickets for people that I know that need them. And that was it. But I was always one of them. I just, I just like football, like all this other stuff, y'all handle that. Y'all do what y'all want to do. I'm a football player. I don't got time to deal with tickets. Don't call me. Don't, if it ain't about football, don't bother me. You know, my teammates, my teammates, and, but outside of my teammates in my locker room, I had my core family members that I talked to daily. And other than that, my football team was my family. So I didn't need tickets for my football family. Yeah, they got them. They already got them. Talk to me about when you first came in, your rookie year, you guys won the Super Bowl, right? But you had an incredible room. Yeah. Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinnis, Roosevelt Colbert, Roman Pfeiffer, Teddy Brew, Teddy Brew, Johnston, Ted Johnson, Tyler Law. So who was most impactful for you when you first came into the league and amongst that group of greats, Patriot greats, and football greats? Who had the most impact on you? It was really, it was Willie McGinnis. Willie McGinnis was definitely the one because I remember watching Willie and Slay line up offensive ends as I watched the Patriots growing up. So Willie McGinnis was one of them and Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Teddy Brew, those guys. Seymour was four years in when I got in there. And I love Ty Warren is my guy. The most underrated guy that I ever played with. I think so underrated. But he was probably like the meat and potatoes of that defensive line, honestly. But a lot of credit is given to me and Seymour. But Ty, I mean, he was just that one guy that can do anything. You could put him anywhere. He was durable. He was like a mule, man, like get it done. Strong, strong, great teammate, Southern boy. I love them. So it was easy for me to come in and learn from these guys and have a defense the way we had with so much leadership on it. And I'm coming from the University of Miami and I'm coming from guys with leadership as well. We won. We know how to win. So it wasn't a big difference, honestly, of transitioning from college to pro. It wasn't because I've seen it. I've been in it. I played fast. I played with some great guys. I mean, just coming to New England, you know, now I'm in the NFL playing for Bill Belichett team. They're just coming off a Super Bowl win against Carolina down in Houston. And then Ted Washington, the best nose tackle ever, to get rid of Ted and draft me. So now it's like, oh my gosh, Ted Washington, now he's going. Now I'm coming in. Like, I don't even know how to play nose tackle, right? So a lot of people have to understand I had to learn the game of nose tackle because it's totally different than a defensive tackle. It's a totally different game. So I had to learn how to build nose tackle. And a lot of credit go to Bill and Romeo of just believing in me enough to determine to a nose tackle to be real efficient at this level. Because once I learned that they can do so many multiple things because my background was the one get one gapper. So I can do anything I could play anywhere across the ball and stuff. And that's why I like my year four, they started moving me around from defensive end, a three technique left and right. Then we started getting into the game planning of me and all that. And that's think that's where my game really took off. Once they once I prove to them, I know this defense inside of out, I can understand the offense of scheme. And my football IQ is what it was. I think that's when Bill really trusted me to line up at defensive end or line up at a three technique or go play on this side on these certain plays because he knew I can do it. So a lot of credit go to my coaches with him, just believing in me, but also putting in the work and showing and proving it to them that I can do it. What are you doing with the USO? USO. So I got I've been on three tours with the USO. I've been in two 11 countries in the past three years. And what the USO stands for is it's unbelievable. They kind of bridge that gap between the military family and the military because you have guys that haven't seen family years. You know, you have 18, 19, 20 year olds away from home in Poland, Romania, Sicily, you know, all these places that they're not used to is foreign to them. But they get they go there to work to make sure that we're safe, protect our freedom, the sacrifices, the dedication they make daily for us to do what we need to do. For me to be who I became as a football player for you guys to sit here and do this and talk, it's all because of them, you know, because at night when we're asleep and having these nice dreams, they're up, you know, they're watching everything. They're making their their intercepting things, their bombs, you name it, they're they are 24 seven, 365. They don't stop. And I think we need the least we can do is show our support and love and let them know how much we love and support them and just cherish everything they do for us to keep us safe. And the USO is a great, great organization that provides that for them. And just to be able to see faith these kids faces when they see me and I walk in with my Super Bowl rings, they turn into little kids, right? And then you have a little tennis and they kernels like we haven't seen him smiling over here. And then, you know, I come in here and I get a smile out of them. And it's just to come right. It's just like football, you know how it is in the locker room. When you're around your people, you feel safe. We can have conversations and we can laugh, we can talk, we can cry. There's no different with those guys, you know, they have what they have. But now when you start bringing in celebrities and guys coming, you know, like we just we did this year, we did say Kuwait, we was in Jordan, we was in Djibouti in Africa. That's where we were just now, right? So to go over there. And to have Patriot flags and just represent the US. You know, it was Seattle fans, you name it, football, they're big football fans, they're Americans. But there's there are any locations just so to make sure that we're safe. And it brings such joy to me when I leave them and then I get home and then now I have a parent emailing me saying, you met my son and sending me a picture. I can't explain to you how much that meant for me and my family. He still is talking like it's amazing just to get that type of feedback. And what it does, it carries a long way, it goes a long way, if you believe it or not. We have guys that's been in the military, the president of the USO, he been in there for 30, 30 plus years. He still remember those USO days, people coming around. He still remember that you talk for 30, 40 years. So this is something that lasts with them forever. They'll never forget. And I'm glad I can be a part of it. So the more we can show them the support of what they do for us on a daily basis, the more I love it. That's we appreciate the time. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. Man, right. You're the man, baby. Love you. Are we going to go now? And this is us talking to Justin Reed, which I asked them when you were here about kicking. Yeah. Well, he lit up. He was like, I won't even say what he said. What does get to you here? He was so fired up for that thing. Here is NFL safety Justin Reed, who now plays for the Saints. He's won two Super Bowls with the Chiefs. He played for the Texans and now he's in New Orleans where he grew up. Here he is. The great Justin Reed. Justin Reed. I mean, this is one of the top safeties in the league. Versatile. He's been with Houston, Kansas City. Now you're back home in New Orleans. Tell me what that experience has been like being back home in New Orleans. Yeah, man, it's a full circle moment. It's a full circle moment to go and play for the team that I grew up watching. I've been asked a ton about what I think about Drew's Hall of Fame. Yeah. Coming to the Hall of Fame. And I was like, man, like growing up, watching that guy and how he inspired the whole state and really made kids like me back in the early 2000s like falling in love with football and watching the Saints and now having the opportunity to go back and pour into the Saints program and try to do that for the next little kid that's growing up right now. It's the coolest feeling ever, man. There's no fan base in the world like the Saints fan base. They're crazy and they'll let you know about it. Was it your goal to get home? Like, did you know that was going to be an option to go play at home? No, I didn't. I didn't. I never, I had never came across my mind. And then when I was in the agency and I got the call, like it was in that moment that I was like, wow, this is actually pretty cool. Like I never thought that I would go home and play for the Saints that, you know what I mean? You just don't think about it. And the opportunity came up and I just, you know, wanted to grab it. I got a question. Being from Louisiana, how did you end up at Stanford? Yeah, I mean, what man? Yeah, I kind of asked myself that sometimes too. There's a couple of things that definitely helped though, because I was so close to going to LSU. It's like when I didn't sign at LSU, being a kid from Louisiana, it was like, it's like I betrayed the state. I was like, we mean no one to go to those shoes. But my older brother was playing for the 49ers at the time, right down the street. And my mom was travel nursing. She'd worked two weeks and then come on two weeks and she was traveling nursing in Oakland. So there was already a little pod out here in the Bay Area, you know, just made the transition a little easier. Whenever you're getting ready for the Super Bowl, you got two, right? Got two. You got two. Were each of those experiences different? The first one, yes and no. So the first one was like, your first Super Bowl, you're like trying to get ready for it. Like, I don't think that I had fun during the week. You know what I mean? Like, I was so locked in on like, I just want to make sure I'm ready to go and perform and play well and et cetera, et cetera. But then the second and third one, like, I allowed myself to actually enjoy the moment so much more and had so much more fun that second and third Super Bowl, especially the third one being in New Orleans. Right. You know, that was an expensive ticket. I played that game for free, getting all the tickets for the family. But it's a surreal moment. And I pray those guys that are in it right now are enjoying it right now. Yeah, I mean, talk to me about this week in general in terms of the preparation, what goes into it? What do you think the biggest challenges of this week getting ready for this game? It's just managing distractions. Like, there's every distraction in the world that you can have. You know what I mean? Everyone's pulling on your on your coattail, trying to drag you in different directions. And it's like, hey, you know, you got to do a little bit of it. But at the end of the day, keep the main thing, the main thing about why we're all here to play and then having a plan for managing your excitement on game day. That's a real thing. Like, young guys, it's their first time playing. We had a whole 20 minute meeting on just managing your energy for a Super Bowl, because most of the time you get out, you do your warm up, you go back inside, you come on a field, you're there for 10 minutes, and then it's kickoff. Super Bowl, you come out on the field and it's 45 minutes before you do kickoff. And you got to like have a plan to not get yourself too jacked up or emotionally drained. And then you have a 35 minute and a half time, right? You got to have a plan there. So it's like managing all the extra TV timeouts, just staying cool, calm and collected, and just being ready for the moment. Because that game is going to be a four and a half, five hour game. Spectacle. You know what I mean? So you got to be ready to last the entire time. Is there a part in the game where it goes from, holy crap, we're in the Super Bowl too. Okay, now this just feels like a real game. Like, is there a point where that changes? First contact. You know what I mean? Up until you get that, I tell guys all the time, hey, first play of the game, usually for offenses, it's a run player, it's a boot anyway. But first play of the game, you just got to run into somebody as hard as you can, man, because then they'll just bring you, they'll bring you back down. And now you're like back to yourself and you're ready to just go out there and play. As a safety, obviously, you have to know so many different things from route recognition and the run game and everything. Who was a player, a coach that was most impactful and influential for you that made you grow as a player in the NFL? Yeah, man, I got to go back to my guy Spags, man. Spags challenged me in so many different ways to be versatile. I mean, all the cover zeros, all the coverage adjustments, you really challenged like the mental side of the game because we had two, three checks for every call, based on what the offense was doing. We had master checks versus certain formations. We had a call that would check to a version of two higher, one high, depending on if the offense was in a certain formation. And if they motion, then we check, if they check, then we checked. You know what I mean? So that part of the game, that chest match in the game was really stimulating and then it really brought out your best, you know what I mean, to bring on your A game and really be a complete safety, complete DB. For me, it was fun times because I had the liberty to send a corner. Like if I had a blitz, I could choose to give my blitz to the corner and now I'm playing cornerback. Did you want to do that though? Maybe I don't want to because I could blitz and miss, but if I miss on this, then I know on the corner. Yeah, it is that way. But usually if I had a cut split and I was like, okay, I'm going to go show, like I like to get creative. I'm going to go show all the way in the post knowing I have this guy man coverage because I know if he comes scot free on a cut split X off the side, it's going to be a sack. Like I'm not going to have this guy, the only route he's going to have time to do is a quick out. So as soon as the ball snap, I'm just going to run straight to that quick out. You know what I mean? And it'll either be a pass, breakup or, or a tackle on the sideline. You think you could have kicked? Absolutely. No, not not a doubt in my mind. I still can. I still can. Did you see the confidence in his face? That's why I didn't even blink. He's like, 100%. I talked to, especially his coordinator, Phil, three days ago, I was like, Hey, Phil, these new kickoff rules. Yeah. You know what I mean? This is kind of made for it. Kind of made for taking down there and making tackle. DBS like to get chippy. Who's the best trash talker from the offensive side of the ball when you're going up as an opponent where you'd be like, dude, that guy's not only funny, but he's got something to do. Kelsey, Kelsey talks the most trash, bro. I know it from being on both sides of the ball. Kelsey talks a ton of trash. Who are some other guys that that are just known trash talkers? Jamar talks some trash. Jamar Chase, he talks some trash here and there. Jedis doesn't really talk a lot of trash. He's like a quiet assassin type. Yeah, he kind of keeps it going, but they definitely have some cats out there. A lot of the tight ends, honestly. The tight ends? Yeah, you know, a lot of the tight ends. Who's next level quick as a receiver? Because everybody's quick. And who's next level large as a receiver that's like, Oh, that's different. Okay. I'll give you a wide receiver. I'll give you a tight end. Who is the, with the Steelers? Tight end. Oh, his name is like, this dude is massive. Dude, he's like, Oh, we were talking about the homeboys big, like, no, no, no, no. He's like 285. Yeah, that dude is huge. Yeah. I'm doing it in justice. receivers are just like, frigging ridiculous. If somebody's that big, do you try not to cat is a huge like, yeah, just massive. Some to why receivers that's just tall and when I thought like a Tet with the Panthers, bigger guy than what you think he is. Next level quick, just jitterbug types. Tank Dell, whenever he was healthy, hopefully he comes back. I like that guy, I like watching him play. He was a really quick guy. I mean, yeah, man, there's a handful of them out there. What's one thing that you would teach a rookie a non football skill that they would need to survive in the NFL, whether it's media training, or film study or something like that, that it's really not actual football. Yeah, no, the film study part, the film study part, you can slow the game down so much. If you just have the slightest clue of what's about to happen, you know what I mean? Or even if even if you could just eliminate things from like, you're not guarding ghosts, you know what I mean? Like you see a certain formation over and over again, like my from my career path from where I started as a rookie to, you know, as you old, you see the same plays, you see the same coordinators, like I now have a book on the coordinators. Like I have a book on the offensive coordinators like, okay, I played this guy when he was coaching for the Buccaneers. So I know it's going to be the same plays. And I know that, hey, this Y receiver was who this Y receiver was when he was coaching with this program. And you know, like when you can do that and you can slow the game down, it just allows you to make so many more plays play so much faster. It's where you're not just out there playing seven on seven football. And you know what I mean? You can't do it in Darnel, Washington, by the way. Darnel, Washington. Wow. Good poor. This guy's brain is, yeah, it was working. It was working back there. You saw him cook. I was tapped into Fire Mouth and then it wasn't Fire Mouth. Really great talking with you. Yeah. Thanks. People love you. I mean, obviously, when you saw Castle, you guys embrace quickly. I mean, look at that smile. He's got everything. Charisma, intelligence, can play ball. I mean, any obviously can kick. Yeah. Well, I asked him that. He was like, yes, I can. I legit want to, like I want to. That would be that. We appreciate you, Justin. Appreciate you guys. All right. That's it from this version of the Super Bowl. Go ahead. Your thoughts on the game. There's not a lot of time. I think it's going to be an incredible game. I think it's going to be a defensive battle, to be honest with you. Boring. Boring. We didn't even know there was a rookie defensive player of the year. It's how much that sounds exciting. But it is going to be a defensive battle. I think Patriots are playing probably the best defensive performance in the playoffs thus far. And then Seattle Seahawks, obviously they bring it. And it's going to be, I think it's going to come down to the offensive line for New England. If they can give Drake May enough time and block because they've struggled to pass, protect and protect him throughout the playoffs. Now they've played three juggernauts of defensive units, but this is another one up front that if you don't control the line of scrimmage, it's going to be a long day. Who do you want to win? Who do you think will win? I want the New England Patriots to win. It's hard for me to say that Seattle, the way that they've played throughout the playoffs, and I also think the thermos complete team won't win the game. I want the Patriots to win. I've got Patriot fans in my life, obviously, two of them that do this show with me. And we have money, I have money on that game. Yeah, we do. We're making a bet, me and you. No, I'm not betting. Yeah, you're taking a steal. Okay, that's fine. If you want me to. Well, you're giving me points. See, okay, here we go. So I would like to the Patriots win. I do love the Sam Darnold story though. It's an incredible story. Like that's the, and I think Seattle will win, but that's easy to say, right? That's, everyone thinks, most people think Seattle will win. That's why they're the favorite. But I think the one thing that I would find enjoyment in if Seattle wins is the fact that I love Sam Darnold's story. I don't know him as a person to really know nothing about him, except that he shows up. He's got a good attitude. Doesn't talk a lot. Apparently, he's a pretty quiet guy in the locker room. Like very much it just show up and do the work kind of guy. Business. Yeah. But it's also a guy who it just never went well. He never landed in a place that was conducive to success. So he got written off. Yeah, like you do in this league. Yeah, it's a win now. League. And if you don't win, you get shipped off and they say, Hey, you're not good enough. And then you get to the right situation and you get an opportunity to improve yourself. And all of a sudden, something like this happens. He didn't win with the Jets. All right. He must have thought he didn't win with the Panthers. Actually, he was foreign too at the end of the year with the Panthers, but they were probably six in whatever in the season. Yeah. And he was hurt too. Yeah. He got hurt. Yeah. Matt Rohl was on his last year. Yeah. Didn't really work out. Tough run. Yeah. Yeah. The guy, Trinidad Baker may feel the way too. Yeah. So and then he goes and he's a backup in San Francisco. Yep. And then he and then he wins in Minnesota, but he's on a his contract was one year. Yeah. But you know, the questions surround, can he win a big game? God, crazy. You can't have one bad game in this league or you're screwed. I just hope because the league likes to see things happen before they commit to it. Right. When they're successful at anything, the league then can go, Hey, we can bet on this person or we can do this scheme. We can hire this coach because they've had success. What I hope to see is other quarterbacks that have been put in places, not conducive to winning, get other opportunities because of what Sam Darnold's been able to show, even if they don't win this game. Sam Darnold Baker may feel Geno Smith and recent memory just that's limited Geno from that now. Huh? I think we should drop the Geno out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe maybe a few years back. He made his money for sure. It's a phenomenal story though. Yes, I agree. Like people that just did the work. Yeah, way down and took advantage of the opportunity when they got it. So yeah, same with you. I think Seattle will win. I would like to see New England win and we'll see what happens, but we appreciate you guys and we will see you guys next week. Hope you have a good Super Bowl. And since we worked for the NFL, we can say that word. You guys know that, right? We play Super Bowl. Yeah, we can say it. And also you can say it if you're not selling something. We're not a lot of, other people aren't allowed to say Super Bowl. No, if you're talking about any sort of brand or something, you have to say the big game. Really? Yeah. I'm glad I worked for the NFL because I would have messed that up. I never would have referred to it as the big game. Right. But if you see a billboard, it's like the big game also by Nabisco, but they don't have, they didn't pay for that. Like Super Bowl was a brand basically. So yeah, I hope you guys have a good big game and go get them. I'm going to hash my bets in case we get sued. And we will see you guys next week. All right. Bye, everybody.