Episode 90: UFOs & Law Inforcement with Marianne Robb and Dave Rich

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In 2015, Marianne joined Moufan and spent seven years as a field investigator and five years as an instructor alongside Dave teaching investigators how to apply law enforcement methods, such as evidence collection and advanced interviewing techniques to the UFO cases. They formed an organization called UAP PD, which aims to destigmatize UFOs, UAPs, paranormal and cryptic sightings, as well as provide resource and a safe zone for law enforcement officers and first responders to handle and share their encounters with without the fear of being ridiculed or even damaging their career. Hey guys, welcome. Thanks, thanks for having us. Thank you. Very happy to have you here. I think this is a really great idea. I love to see people in law enforcement embrace this. You know, when you think about it, there aren't that many big UFO cases that we hear about that involve police officers. And I bet that's not for there being a lack of cases as much it is about them having a fear of reporting those cases. I mean, these are the people that are out there. They're out and about often late at night. They're trained observers. You know, they're gonna make the perfect eyewitness. But it sounds to me much like with the military, like there's still this strong stigma and repercussions to those coming forward with such stories. Is that true? Absolutely. I believe the main crux of where the stigma comes into play really falls down into two categories. As a law enforcement officer for any successful case, you have to have two things. Evidence and your credibility. The moment you start mentioning things like high-strangeness, paranormal, cryptids, UFOs, UAPs, people who don't believe in those things will start questioning their credibility. And as officers, we're kind of aware of that. So it's one of those things where if you do see something, you kind of just hold it inside because of that threat to your credibility, which will then hurt your actual professional career. Interesting. Yeah. Have you seen things loosen up as this topic to become more mainstream like in the last 10 years or is it still pretty much that way in the force? In the police department, it's still that way. I know that there is, you know, the government talking about disclosure. They're telling the military, oh, it's okay. Come forward. It's all right. No problem. They're telling that to commercial airline pilots. But I'll tell you right now, when it comes to law enforcement, first responders, I don't think it's ever going to let up. It, I wish we could put something out there, but I think because of that stigma, because of that threat to their career, they are just going to keep their mouths shut and not even talk to their fellow officers. They don't want any part of that. We actually notice the difference, believe it or not, geographically. So if you have a city officer, county officer, federal agent, they don't want to say anything. But if we have encountered a number of officers on different Indian reservations who have no problem coming forward and talking about it, and we actually had some interesting kind of conversations with some of these officers. And as near as we can track it down to, is it really comes down to the fact that in the Native American culture, all of these things are just more readily accepted. They're part of their culture and part of their history. And so an officer seeing a spirit or a skin walker or some sort of star person, something like that. To them, it's not that big of a deal because the community is also like, oh yeah, well, my uncle, Siwon or Isohwon or stuff like that. So there it's more accepted, but the moment you get off of the reservation, so to speak, and you get it, the cities and stuff, then you kind of run into that hole, everybody's tight-lift. Right, or they'll say you're off the reservation. Yeah, that was full circle, see? Now, it seems to me like an idea for you guys would be to go after the retired officers. I wonder if that's something you could do because maybe they'd be more willing to come forward. Well, we do. We go for all officers. It's whether retired or still on the job. Matter of fact, we just did a little event called Heroes Day that was out at the superstition mountain museum a couple weeks ago. And we actually had a retired homicide detective from Tempe, Arizona. Come out, he says, I saw you on Facebook. I knew you were gonna be here. I wanted to come out because I've got a story. I want to share with you. And I have never talked about it before. So, yeah, we're gonna go to his house, but we also have retired. I have a retired federal department of corrections officer. He's retired for like six, seven years, but I went to his house and we sat in his front porch. And he told me about four different cases of UFOs and he actually was visited by an entity in his own house. And he said, I could not talk about this whatsoever. And he cried. I mean, I've got this on tape. He's crying saying, thank you. I didn't know where to go. Thank you for coming and talking to me and letting me tell you these stories. You know what's interesting about what you just said there, Marianne is that this is exactly word for word what Don Schmidt had said interviewing a lot of the military guys from Roswell 50, 60 years after the fact. And these guys would break down crying saying that I haven't talked about this in 55 years. I haven't talked about this in 60 years. It's hard for them because of course, they were even threatened supposedly. Many of them alleged that they were threatened and told not to talk about this. So I love this idea of you guys doing training the field officers too and investigating and showing them how to collect data properly and do proper interviews. I think that's gonna get us better quality data from places like Mufon. I think that's brilliant. That is. You know, talking about the retire, even though the retire, a lot of them don't want to be identified. They're still afraid that working for the government, they're gonna take the pension away. Now with Mufon, we both were with Mufon field investigators and all during the boot camps that Phoenix Mufon had, oh gosh, for the past seven years, they can learn. I mean, these folks could take some stuff off of the Mufon site and Mufon University, but having an actual police officer come and do the training of the interviewing and, well, I'd say, interrogation, but we're not gonna interrogate. But we have, like you said, we're 59 years experience between the two of us. We know how to interview. We've interviewed hundreds of thousands of people. Forgotten more interviews than I can remember. And that is what's cool is we go ahead and we teach these folks how to do a good interview. You don't ask leading questions. You don't ask yes and no questions. And the biggest thing is don't have that preconceived notion. They read this report going, oh, yeah, based on UFO. No, don't go in with a mindset. You know what it is. Do that whole interview, the whole investigation, then if you could come up with a conclusion, fantastic. Now, let me ask you this, yes or no. No, I'm just kidding. See, you know what I did there? My open ended question to you guys is what sort of cases do you typically get? Is it mostly strange lights or more having strange paranormal experiences? I would say the majority of the stuff that we have is really more paranormal, spirit interaction, disembodied voices, things that are seen and gone. Then our second most prevalent, I would say, is UFOs and U.S.P.'s. We've got some video from a police consul in Australia that found out about us. We did an interview over Zoom and she sent us an amazing story about stuff that she had in a video from her living room that she filmed right out of her living room, all the way up to officers that were on duty and pictures that they gave us from things that they saw, literally driving around at night and see an object flying in the sky comes down to the ground. He's got amazing pictures of it. And then it zips off in the coolest part, is he then gets a call from another officer that's like 10 miles north, who's like, did you see something fly over there? He's like, yeah, I just saw it. So we have two independent officers witnessing the same incident. So we are getting the majority of the stuff we're getting are paranormal, but we are getting a good number of UAP things. Now, the cryptids are the ones that we're not really getting a tunnel. That's probably the key. Well, I love that. I always love multi-witness cases, but this seems like something, as you guys expand, maybe officers would be willing to send in video that they've recorded anonymously. And then nobody knows who they are. They don't have to put their name on it. And yet you could have this collection that was sent in from an officer. This was sent in from, and you could just, you know, collect that, that'd be good data. When we come back, we're gonna ask Marianne and Dave about how they became so passionate about this, and hear about Dave's incredible case that switched him from being a hardcore skeptic. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. Please make sure and check out my show, Shades of the Afterlife, heard right here on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, AM Paranormal Podcast Network. The Coast to Coast, AM mobile app is here and waiting for you right now. And with the app, you can hear classic shows from the past seven years. Listen to the current live show and get access to the Art Bell Vault, where you can listen to uninterrupted audio. Head on over to the coast to coastam.com website. We have a handy video guide to help you get the most out of your mobile app usage. All the info is waiting for you now at coasttocoastam.com. That's coasttocoastam.com. The fourth, four, three, four, three, four. Five, four, five. The Art Bell Vault has classic audio and waiting for you now. Go to coasttocoastam.com for details. We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking to Mary Ann and Dave from UAPPD. Dave, you are pretty hard or skeptic about all these things Paranormal as I understand it. Can you tell us the story that took place at the school that opened your mind to this notion that there might be something more to all of this? Absolutely. And Ron, to say that I was a skeptic, that I was practically an understatement and I was a skeptic. That I was practically an understatement. Like I truly, up until April of 2017, did not believe in any of this. It was all, hey, there's a logical explanation. It's all garbage. It's something lying. It's oaks. How interesting there was 2017 because that was the big watershed year with the New York Times and all that too. So that's interesting. April of 2017, I'm working as a school resource officer at one of the high schools out here in Arizona. And it was a Saturday, the night of prom. Prom isn't held at the school. It's actually held at an off site. I go into to the prom, principal walks up to me and goes, hey, did you hear about the 901 call at the school today? And I'm like, no, why would there be 901 call? There's nobody at school at the Saturday. So I get on the phone, called this bitch. And the dispatcher just says, laughing at me and says, you need to talk to this specific officer. So I didn't have a text actually. And his response is, dude, your school is, and I don't know if I can say it for fanaties, but begins with an F, haunted. So I give him a call and like, what the hell are you talking about? And so he proceeds to tell me this. A dispatch gets a call just before noon. So middle of the day, 901 operator answers the phone, says 901, would your emergency? There is a voice that sounds like a woman or maybe like a girl like that whisper talking. But clear enough that you could clearly hear. And it sounds like it says, I'm scared. Dispatcher says, what was that? And it says it again. I'm scared. Dispatcher says you're scared. And then it says no. And then you hear the phone receiver get dropped onto the countertop. So the officers show up 14 minutes. It takes them to get there. During that 14 minutes, that phone is an open line. And the dispatcher is trying to get somebody to pick up the phone. So every couple of minutes you hear, hello, pick up the phone. Hello, are you there? Are you okay? Hello? Then 14 minutes later, officers get there. They make entry with this thing called a noxbox key, which gets them a master key to the school. They go inside, officer walks up, sees the phone on the counter, picks it up. Hey, this is, you know, officer or so and so, has a conversation with the dispatcher, says, okay, well, we're going to search the school. This is got to be the phone. It's the one that's laying on the counter with the open line. So he hangs up the phone. They proceed to search the building. Now, this building is the administration building at the school. So the only thing in it, there's no classrooms. It's just the principal's office, assistant principal offices, counseling, reception, and then the nurses office. And then there's one supply closet. So it's a relatively quick building for the two officers to search. So they search the building. They don't see anybody. They go to the nurses office. They walk into the nurses office. Now the way in law enforcement, when you walk into a room that you don't know which way it goes, you kind of do this weird kind of stacked thing where one guy is slightly in front of the other. And you kind of hit the door quickly and then one guy peels to the right, one guy peels to the left. So these two officers do that at the door to the nurses office. They go inside one peels, right one peels left. And as soon as they start peeling, something that neither of them could see physically pushes on their shoulders between them and out of the room. They spin around, go running out of the room, and looking around and they see nothing. So they finish the search and they're like, what the heck they get out of there. Ron, I'm listening to this story on my phone and I'm like, right. Yeah. Okay, sure. I don't think much of it. I do the rest of the prom. I think that's the end of it. Monday morning I come into work. My sergeant looks at me and says, hey, what about the, what happened with this 901 call? And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know, I'm called the school. Nothing happened. I just started finding me. So the sergeant looks at me and says, hey, well, you have to investigate this. And I'm like, why? And he's like, well, it's misuse of 901. And so I'm like, I'm thinking at the time, well, yeah, I guess that makes sense. So there was nobody in the school. Somebody may have found a way to hack 901. Yeah, I guess we do need to get to the bottom of this. What I didn't understand is that sergeant was a very big ghost nut. And he just wanted his number one skeptical officer to try and do an investigation. And he picked me because, hey, it was my school. I was a former homicide detective. I have all the investigative techniques that were needed for this type of investigation. So I launch into this investigation. 100% thinking I'm going to get to the bottom of this. It's going to be a logical explanation. So I start doing the search. The first thing, call video from the school. Security camera has the ability to do this. The camera has that phone right in the center of the video screen. Now it's not detailed enough to see the phone come off the cradle. But it is 100% detailed enough that you can see that. Any if anybody is at that phone, you're going to see it. Frontside of the desk, backside of the desk, anything. There are three sets of motion detecting lights. One directly over the desk, one in front, one behind. All those lights clicked on when the officer's got in there. So I look at this and I'm like, okay, well, clearly I'm going to find who did it. Because they're going to be on the video. The phone's right there. So I take the video. I go all the way back to six o'clock in the morning for when it starts. So this is six hours before the actual call comes in. Mainly because I wanted to get all my ducks in the row. Somebody broke in. I want to see them how they broke in, where they got in. What did they do besides call 911. So I start watching the video. At seven o'clock in the morning, I see the back door open. And one of the security guards comes in to get something out of the supply closet. Which is nowhere near this desk. She comes in the lights on the front side of the desk. Click on she grabs the stuff she leaves lights click off 20 minutes later. About 10 30 in the morning, the lights just over the desk. Click on and I'm like, well, that's weird. How did the lights just over the desk. Click on when nothing you can't get to the desk without coming from the front of the back. One of those should have clicked on to, but I don't see anybody. And it's daytime. So you can see in there, even with the lights on or off, you can still see that there's nobody there. So then those lights click off at 11.54 when this phone call comes in. There is nobody standing at that desk. Wow. I'm like, okay, that's weird. 14 minutes later, I see the two officers come in from the bottom of the screen. I see them go over. I see the one pick up the phone. I see the conversation. I've listened to the 911 tape. I knew there's a conversation happen. I see him hang up. Now I see all the motion lights come on. When they walk in, the ones in front come on. When he gets to the desk, the one over the desk comes on. When they search behind the desk, all those ones come on. So I know all the lights are working. They search the entire thing. The nurse's office is at the bottom of the screen. If you're looking at the security footage. I see the two of them go up to the door. I see the two of them stack up. They go in and immediately within like seconds. They both come running back out looking around like what, what the heck. So I'm still watching this go, well, this is, this is really weird. I don't know what this is. So I take the 911 tape. I send it off to some people that we know to kind of analyze it. Because again, thinking somebody may have hacked the 911 system. Is this a computer generated voice? Is it something like that? Well, that was being analyzed. I was also going around and going, hey, what are the possibilities that somebody called from a classroom and routed it through the front desk. So I go and talk to the 911 call center, trying to figure out, because again, I'm like, okay, there's a logical explanation. I talk to the 911 supervisor and she's like, no, that wouldn't work. Because on the computer right here, it shows which phone it comes in from. And it shows that it came in from what they call reception B, which is the second desk. And she's like, and then more importantly, why was the phone off the hook for the officer to come up and pick up on an open line? And I'm like, well, yeah. So a lot of stories short, I run down every possible lead. I go so far as to get somebody from the school with the phone that does phones there to go out with me to the phone box. And we like crack the phone box open to see, we're like, old school, somebody using lawyers to patch into the system. Long story short, I can't find any, any way that this phone called came in. I'm not going to say like I was a believer yet, but I was really hard course out into questions and stuff. Because none of this is making sense. Every time I came up with, oh, this has to do the answer. I ended up finding a reason why it wasn't the answer. We end up completing this investigation. I don't know what's going on. Then I realized, hey, something happened when they went into the nurses office. Maybe I should go talk to the nurse, see if there's anything's going on there. So I go into the nurses office, the nurse happens to be the wife of a share stepby. So I've known her for six years at this point. We have that relationship where we can talk and shoot the breeze and stuff like that. I walk in there, you know, hey, what's up? How's it going? I'm like, hey, cool. Everything's normal until I bring up the idea or the conversation about this phone call. The moment I bring up the phone call, she shuts down. But I don't press it because again, I don't think she's my suspect. And one thing leads to another. I go back a couple hours later, same thing. She ends up shutting down as soon as I mentioned the phone call. So the last thing I do, I'm like, okay, I'll give it a couple of days. During that time, I get the results back from the 901 tape. 901 tape. The guy says, hey, I don't know what you have here, but it's not a human voice. It's not a computer generated voice. And he's like, more importantly, you know, it's not saying I'm scared. He says, it says, I scare. And then like, yeah. So I go back, talk to the nurse, third time. She's friendly, everything until I bring up the phone call. She literally slams a pen down on the desk and says, fine, I'll tell you. She proceeds to tell me that she's been haunted by spirits her entire life. And they will follow her when she moves. She goes to a different house. They'll be quiet for a couple of days. And then they, it kicks back up. I'm like, well, why didn't you tell me this before? She's like, cause three weeks ago, everything at the house stopped. And I'm like, okay, then why are you telling me now? And she said, because two days ago, we ended up looking and found that the first, there was that phone call that we got was actually the third. The first one came three weeks ago, lines up perfectly, but there wasn't a voice. It was just 901 calls. But now here's the key for why we actually created UAPPD. Couple days go by and I'm like, I don't know how to explain this. I tell my sergeant, I don't know what this is. I don't know. I get called upstairs to a sergeant's office. It's not my sergeant, but a sergeant upstairs. I walk in, he's got two computer screens, one's an MP3 player with the 901 tape. The other one is a still of the security footage. He plays it for me and looks at me and says, you expect me to believe this crap? And then he literally accuses me of being a liar, accuses me of making up the entire thing and somehow getting everybody from the dispatcher to the patrol units that responded to the school district, all involved in this elaborate hoax. I end up storming out of the office, but the one thing that I remembered is even though he wasn't much of an officer, he had stripes and I didn't. So I was like, you need to keep your mouth shut because if he wants to press the issue, you're the one that's going to be in trouble. And you can imagine Dave, there's probably plenty of officers who have had that similar experience where they said, well, better not talk about this. 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Don't forget to check out my show Strangethings each week, as I bring you the world of the truly amazing and bizarre right here on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact, speaking with Mary Ann and Dave. Guys, at the end of the day, looking at all these different cases and all this research you've done, where do you sit on what you think might be happening? I know we don't have a conclusion, but do you think maybe there's an alien presence? Is there a dimensional presence? Is there something to do with the afterlife? Where do you guys guess the strange occurrences are originating? That's a great question. For me, and I can't speak for Mary Ann, but for me, I think it's multifaceted. I think there's different aspects of different things. One thing that I do believe is I believe they're all related, and one way or another, I don't understand what the tie is, but when we do our stage presentations, we actually have a Venn diagram for a UFO-logy, paranormal, and cryptosuology. And we have them all overlapping because you have such amazing crossovers, like, for example, David Politis. One of his most recent movies was specifically the link between Bigfoot Sightings and UFO Sightings in these National Parks and these disappearances. We've got things like TV shows like Terror in the Woods, which is a link between cryptosuological creatures and paranormal activity. And then you've got things like Orbs and stuff like that, where you have Orbs as energy orbs that are in like a haunted house, but then you can also be outside and see them flying in the sky as if it was a UAP or UFO. So I believe they're all related. I don't necessarily know how, but there are too many similarities for them not to be. I do think that there is extra-dimensional, like, you've got these great stories of people that are tracking, for example, Bigfoot. And all of a sudden these footprints appear in the middle of a snow-covered field, and they go for like 150 yards and then they vanish. And the beginning of the trail and the end of the trail are way, far away from a tree line or any place. So it's like, where did these footprints all of a sudden appear? And then where the heck did they go? And we've got a number of stories like that that we've heard from people, not law enforcement, but just of that phenomenon happening, which would clearly make me think, okay, either Bigfoot got flown in at a helicopter and nobody saw it, or maybe there's some sort of portal or some sort of dimensional thing that they're coming through. And maybe they're not intentionally coming through. Maybe it's accidental. They slip through. They slip back out. But that's like my take on it, and I know Mary and I might have a different one. Well, my take is kind of like Dave's. I am very much a skeptic. And I have never had seen a cryptid. I've never seen a UFO. I've never seen a paranormal. I haven't had any experiences whatsoever. So my take is just hearing from different folks and different witnesses say UFOs. We are not alone in this universe. To me, you have to have your head in the sand, excuse me if I'm offending anyone, but you have to have your head in the sand. If you think we are the only ones in this entire universe, we're not. We don't know what's out there, what type of other entities or persons are out there, but there are people or there's things out there talking about the Bigfoot. I do believe there is, they're coming in from portals because you would think somebody would see some type of evidence, get some type of evidence whether it could be a Bigfoot acarcus. Now, I was up in Colorado. I had seen a dead black bear that died naturally in the woods. I'd seen elk, I'd seen deer. I'd seen every kind of animal out there, but I have never seen any type of evidence from a Bigfoot. So my thought is, yes, it is coming from a different dimension, just coming back and forth, hopping back and forth. The ghost part, the paranormal, I don't have an answer for that. I'm looking for the damn looking for that or looking forward to the day that I get to experience something that's out there. What do you think the hardest part for these witnesses is does it take a psychological toll on them living with this experience? Absolutely. The real proofs, the real reason why we created UAPPD's mission statement is because whether you're a police officer or you're a garbage truck driver and accountant, the dentist, I don't care. We are. You encounter something like that. There is an emotional trauma that you're going to feel. It comes from like cognitive dissonance, like what you everybody has a thought in their life, in their brain about how they feel the world works or how life works. Whenever you're confronted by something that doesn't seem to fit into your own personal beliefs of how the world works, you're going to have a little bit of a trauma there. It may not be major, it may just be something like, oh, okay, that's weird. Or it could be something more pronounced, like these type of events where you're seeing a bigfoot type creature or you're seeing the ghost of your aunt that you know is dead, or you're seeing some sort of craft flying in the sky that you're looking at it and not able to explain it. Any of those experiences, regardless of what your career is, is going to have a toll psychologically on you. The difference is as a first responder, we are trained to know how to handle these situations whenever they come up. Like any type, oh, you go to a car accident, you go to a robbery, you go to a murder, you're supposed to have it all under control. And that's where I think the difference is with first responders because they'll see these things suffer those same traumas that the other non-first responder has, but then they bottle them up. Because that's how we handle these situations. You go into a murder scene, you can't lose your coat, you have to be completely on the level, unemotional detached. You see this object in the sky, this thing walking through the woods, this thing in an abandoned house, you will try and stay detached. But what it does is you take those experiences, put them in a box, stick them in the corner of your brain, and eventually they come bust and open. Hey, you guys, you're looking at cases from all over the world apparently. How many first hand accounts have you heard now? We're at about 90 air. That's fantastic. Yeah. What's the strongest case you've heard with the best empirical evidence? I think I just told you that. You think that's the one? Is that it? That is definitely. Yeah, we have the 901 tape. I kept the video footage surveillance footage. I kept all of it just because I was pissed at that surgeon, but now it's coming back to like on glad I kept it. But we have body cam footage of disembodied voices. We have video of objects flying through the sky. We have video of something out at a mission out here in Arizona that we can't explain. But we had somebody that you know that we know, we know, friend of ours, Mark the Antonio. Actually, Andrew. Yeah, that clown. Why would not make anything that man has to say with any credibility whatsoever? Boy, but we gave a video to him that we took while we were out at a mission. He's the perfect guy to analyze because he actually does analyze video as you know. And he's actually actually amazing. So how great you have this relationship that you could share these with him. He looked at that video and he's like, I don't know what the heck you guys have here. And it's not a trick of the like, it's not an artifact. It's not something wrong with the video. He said, but you do know it's bipedal. It's walking. It's rocking back and forth in the road just like you saw. And he has no idea what it is, but he is 100% confirmed that it's there. I'm looking at it. Well, that's interesting because Mark, as you know, 99% of the time is able to come up with an alternative explanation to these videos. Yeah, that's why that video is one of the ones we hold nearing dear to our heart. Now, are you guys able to share these videos like either on a website or something so that other people can see them? Or do you share them with other things like Mufon, for example, or New Fork? You know, do you guys share any of these case information? We will do that in our on stage presentations. We do like Dave's story. We always do at the end. And the last thing we do is we play that 9-1-1 tape. That's the last thing we do. We just don't do them on the internet. Right now we actually are in talks with Truly Original, which is a production company, that they're looking at possibly having a television show with us. So we're kind of keeping it. We'll do. We'll share some of these on an on stage and ask folks, please don't take record. Don't use this later on, you know, to put on YouTube themselves. We don't we won't put them on YouTube quite yet until we see what what our future holds. Great. I think you have an excellent hook here with the credibility of law enforcement looking at this topic. We're going to take another break here when we come back. We're going to ask Marion and Dave where they sit with disclosure. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, AM Paranormal Pipest Network. My name is Mark Rollings, president of ParanormalDay.com. 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It's easy to become an insider just head on over to coast to coastam.com, the website, and you'll find all the info right there. That's coast to coastam.com. Coast to coastam.com. We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Marianne and Dave from UAP PD. So how do you guys feel about governmental disclosure? Do you think we're going to get that? I say no. The reason I say no is just listening. I've been to numerous conferences. I've been again with Mufon for about seven years and listening to all these different euphologists and all these scientists. Everyone has their own opinion on what is real, what is not real, what's going to happen. Now my analogy with that is we have a homicide. I go to investigate a homicide. There's three different detectives out there doing this doing this investigation. Each one of us has our own opinion on what happened with this homicide. Now we have all that nobody can get together and agree on anything. So we'll never solve the homicide. Same thing with the UFO is a disclosure. All of these folks have their own opinion of what is going on out there until they come together like the three detectives and come to a conclusion to solve that crime. Unless everybody gets together and works as a team to figure this out, but there's not going to be disclosure. Likewise, also don't think we're going to get disclosure, but the reason for my take on it is it's kind of like what you're talking about governmental disclosure. The way we're going to get this disclosure is contingent on the government. So the reality is is if you're the government and you and which I believe the government knows a lot of stuff that they're not telling us. But if I'm the government and I have knowledge that there is a race of beings that can traverse that galaxy that can show up wherever they want and there's nothing that we can do to stop them, touch them, do anything about it. What benefit do I have as the government of telling the population that these people exist? That's exactly what I always say Dave. There's no upside for them. There's no reason. Because we're literally on the government. I'm going to tell you, hey, yes, what I can't protect you from these things. Right. No power over them. There is a group and this universe that there's nobody on the planet can touch them. There is no upside for the government to tell us. I agree completely. You've looked at these 90 cases. Do you see similarities among the cases? Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Like among UFO cases, like UEP cases, we get a lot of similarities in the type of sighting. They're driving in the middle of nowhere. They're driving in the dark. You're looking for, I hate to say this, but like the motor stopper on day or whatever you want to call it from everything from paranormal things all kind of evolving the same way to UEPD all evolving the same way. But the thing that is kind of unique over overwhelmingly, the similarity that we keep finding is that we have a valid, conferable sighting by a credible witness and something is preventing them from saying. Like in my case, I had a supervisor that told me to not talk about it. It might be those stigmas. I know it's probably not the link that you were hoping for, but that's the glaring one that we see is that regardless of what is seen or who sees it, there is something that is preventing these people from coming forward and talking about it, which until we can get them into a comfortable place where they can say it were missing wonderful evidence and witness statements that could be leading us towards true like conclusions and maybe some questions and questions that we can see. Questions answered that we have been dying to get that we're not getting because there is something preventing these people from coming forward and seeing have these experiences affected, particularly the one that you had personally, Dave, have these affected like your sense of identity and purpose in all of us. Yes, the easiest way that I can sum it up is all of a sudden I started to feel really small because all of a sudden you start realizing you don't have all the answers and this world is a lot bigger than we thought it was. Absolutely. I mean, absolutely. Even that, even like when you lose like your parents, it's like you start thinking like, wait a minute, it just changes the way you look at things. It's incredible. You guys have any gut feeling as to what may be going on here? There's somebody studying us, somebody's watching us, do you think maybe it's us? What's your gut feeling just by looking at this so closely? I think he has a different answer than I do. I could die just after we talked about this. So I'm going to answer first and I'm going to let him do his lengthy. I believe that they are coming down there studying us. We're talking to you at least if you look at lumberton North Carolina. It's a historical case. The late great police legal. This was his investigation that he did where there was a UFO over I think it was like seven counties 11 cities. There was like 35 officers that chased this thing where they first saw this craft and where pretty much the last place they saw the craft was over a water tower. What are they doing? Are they getting their energy from that? You hear that there's these crafts that are coming over generating stations. I really believe they're coming in there checking out what type of technology we have. I don't think they're me personally not meaning any harm. I think they're just seeing what type of technology that is my thought on this. There's been numerous cases again of these crafts coming in checking things out and then just taking off. Why not I believe it was up in South Dakota or North Dakota where the theft came over the missile site. That's David Chinno. Did they come that just again are they trying to just check out our technology see what we've got going on. They're definitely testing to be a tie in with the nuclear thing because we see that time and the time with nuclear bases nuclear weapons storage all of those things. What is your guys' plan going forward? I know you mentioned there's a possible TV thing here. Do you want to continue gathering more cases and expanding this? Is that your plan? Absolutely. Our mission is to help first responders like we get asked all the time by people like well do you believe ghosts are real do you believe UFOs are real do you believe bigfoot out of a real. And our usual response is is it doesn't really matter what we believe what we want to do is help the first responders who experience that whatever it wants whether they saw a UAP they saw UFO they saw big put this on ghosts. We want to help them so where we want to take this is we want to take it to that end and help these first responders who have seen stuff and have been sitting in silence like I sat in silence for seven years not talking about what happened to me until I was able to retire and finally start talking about create this organization. We know there are other first responders that are doing the same thing they've got stories from 10 years ago 12 years ago that they're just sitting there and it's eating them up inside. Our goal is to like at the end of the day it's not my job to convince you that goes to exist or you that UFOs exist or you that bigfoot exists but if I can convince you guys that you know what there's more to the world than what I know. That's all we're trying to do is push that needle a little bit to make it. I'm not already I don't know what the hell is going on but there is something going on. How do you guys personally respond to skepticism you know from scientists and academics that just don't want to hear this at all. Well as a reformed skeptic I'll call myself I like to handle it this way I look at them and I use this analogy if I took a cell phone and I went back a hundred years ago and showed to somebody they're going to look at it like it's magic because they don't understand that but we have cell phones are being well 12 year old kids are walking around using them all day long. If I then take a piece of technology from a hundred years ago and I take it back and we go a hundred more years in the past and I show them that cell phone and I show them that I don't sewing machine but are cheering whatever it was they're going to look at both of those pieces of technology with the same awe and wonder they are both magic to them. But we would look at it the three of us would look at it as well this is just a cell phone and that's something that's our cake. So maybe the skeptics maybe this is just stuff we don't understand yet and a hundred years from now we're going to understand more when it is. I sit right there Dave I agree with that completely we need to stop here guys were out of time but thank you so much you guys could find them at uap-pd.com. You can find me on twitter and instagram at citd underscore captain ron stay connected by checking out contact in the desert.com. 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