Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast

Ep 603 - GEY DOT COM (feat. Tim Butterly & Mike Rainey)

66 min
Mar 12, 20263 months ago
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Summary

Matt and Shane discuss Vegas temptations, nicotine experiences, and read Lonesome Dove while exploring internet culture phenomena like gay.com, Roblox grooming issues, and erotic literature platforms. The episode features guests Tim Butterly and Mike Rainey discussing various lifestyle topics including vaping, relationships, and Western literature.

Insights
  • Online platforms designed for adults (gay.com, men chat) have historically served as grooming pipelines for minors, with limited enforcement consequences
  • Roblox moderation reportedly punishes vigilante predator-hunters more severely than actual predators, creating perverse incentives
  • Traditional media (network TV, cable) continues receiving massive ad spend despite declining viewership, suggesting money laundering or waiting-room ad revenue models
  • Literary erotica platforms (Literotica) are experiencing mainstream adoption among women, paralleling historical porn shop adoption patterns among men
  • Physical fitness (sprinting, weight training) demonstrably improves sexual performance through circulatory and hormonal mechanisms
Trends
Shift from visual pornography to audio and text-based erotic content among mainstream audiencesModern Western genre dominance in streaming (Yellowstone, Landman, King of Tulsa) replacing traditional cowboy narrativesIncreased parental anxiety about online child safety driving algorithmic radicalization toward vigilante predator-hunting contentHacked streaming device (Fire Stick) culture among lower-income consumers as cable cord-cutting alternativeGay subculture taxonomy (twink, bear, pig, seal) becoming mainstream lexicon through social media and dating appsLong-form literary fiction (800+ page novels) experiencing resurgence as counter to algorithm-driven content consumptionFitness optimization for sexual performance becoming mainstream wellness topic rather than taboo
Topics
Online child safety and predator grooming on gaming platformsRoblox moderation policies and enforcement disparitiesNetwork television economics and advertising modelsErotic literature platforms and user-generated contentStreaming device hacking and pirated content accessWestern genre television and modern adaptationsNicotine products and health effectsLas Vegas tourism and lifestyle temptationLiterary fiction consumption patternsGay dating and subculture terminologyVaping and parental perceptionFitness and sexual performance correlationInternet history and early online communitiesCable television cord-cutting trendsPodcast recording and guest management
Companies
Roblox
Discussed as platform with significant child grooming issues and reportedly stricter penalties for vigilante predator...
Comcast
Referenced as cable provider with expensive bundled packages ($470/month) driving consumer cord-cutting decisions
HBO
Mentioned as legitimate streaming alternative to hacked Fire Stick setups, priced at $30/month
Amazon
Fire Stick devices discussed as commonly hacked streaming hardware with limited lifespan before signal scrambling
Literotica
User-generated erotic literature platform discussed as mainstream alternative to traditional pornography with audio o...
Netflix
Implied as streaming alternative in discussion of cord-cutting and traditional media decline
People
Tim Butterly
Guest on episode; discussed vaping cessation, fatherhood, and Western literature preferences
Mike Rainey
Guest on episode; discussed Vegas experiences, nicotine products, and erotic content consumption
Larry McMurtry
Author of Lonesome Dove and co-writer of Brokeback Mountain; discussed as Western literature master
Stephen King
Referenced for The Dark Tower gunslinger series as Western-adjacent fantasy literature
Taylor Sheridan
Creator of Yellowstone, Landman, and King of Tulsa; discussed as modern Western television architect
Billy Bob Thornton
Actor in Landman; mentioned as portraying angry character in modern Western series
Everlast
House of Pain member discussed for longevity and fashion evolution in hip-hop culture
DJ Lethal
House of Pain DJ who joined Limp Bizkit; discussed in context of 1990s hip-hop transitions
Quotes
"I give up trying to figure out wiggers because it's everything about them makes less and less sense"
Matt
"Daddy can't vape. You can't vape and be a daddy."
Tim Butterly
"Getting sucked into gay.com makes me laugh so fucking hard. It is like genuinely funny."
Shane
"I swear to God, dude, it's like every night when I get to hit the sheets and read a chapter, lonesome dove, I'm like, are you going to bed earlier and earlier?"
Mike Rainey
"I think network TV is money laundering at this point."
Matt
Full Transcript
Wow, wow, Wes. Welcome to the podcast. Yeah, thank you. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Showing to get that. I had a nice moment. I had old Nate with me this weekend, and we were in it was either Pittsburgh or Cleveland. But like when you come out of the little theater, there's you can see the people on the sides are already seated. So I always scope the stage and people will see you. And this one guy from the balcony went. I got him. From backstage, I was like, that's nice. Nice moment of connection. Pretty much ended the male loneliness epidemic. So two guys going to 40 year old man. Yeah, you never see you never see shallow may doing that to anybody. Shallow may could probably talk to one of these. I mean, it's such it might be if I have to go through every hand gesture you can possibly do to somebody, this might rain supreme. You think that's a threat or just like an acknowledgement? It's just like one party, bro, to another. It's a totally not. I mean, it could be a threat. If you see a guy with his girlfriend, you go, then it'd be like, bro, I'm on a date. What the fuck, man? This is the creep. I was doing. He's out of hand. Soon as your, as soon as your girlfriend or wife turns around, you go back and go. Well, God damn it. Mike, Randy, Tim, Bartley, thank you guys. Get to me back, man. Love talking pussy gestures with you. Pussy gestures is amazing. I called a, I called Rainey recently just to talk shop, because I'm going to come to dad meet. And I think two weeks when I get back from spring break, spring break forever. We're going to go visit family. And, and now I'm talking to Rainey and I was telling Rainey, I was telling the old nicotine test. That's not bad. That's too much. They flip. Yeah. They, they take a while, whatever like sensitive stuff. Sorry. No, no, I'm telling you, I never tried. Those like little villa or whatever in your suffocates all have to die. So you can do nicotine. I can't hang man. They're rough. You might get kind of horny to my heart's pounding right now. Dude, I gave one to my brother at a wedding. He goes, dude, I got like bricked up. I feel like anything like that. And I'm watching Connelly, so I'm good. True. This is the true test. So we, I was talking to Rainey. I don't even know how we got on the subject. I probably brought it up, honestly, but I was talking to Tim about just like going to Vegas. Where do we, how do we get on the subject? About a jacking in hotel rooms. Probably was jacking in hotel rooms. That's probably how we got on this. But I was, I was telling him like, dude, like every last time I was in Vegas, it happens to me every time in Vegas. I don't like Vegas. I don't want to be there. You know, I just, I don't like it. I'm sorry. I don't like the city, but there is also a part of me. And this is probably why I don't want to be there is like, whenever I'm going to the airport, I'll pass those like real seedy, like shitty motels next to like a fucking porn shop in a strip club. And I'm like, just let me fucking be down. Like give me three months, dude. I'm just like cargo shorts, white feeder, flip flops. Dude, just living is like a shitty motel in Vegas and grow tux. Come back. Yeah. Every guy should have to leave in a Las Vegas treatment. At least for like a summer camp. I don't know. I pass them and I got to be honest. There's a part of me. I would never do it. But it was part of me being like, you'd love to just park it in there for a few months, park it in there. In their house. That pig. And I was telling rainy is raining. It's like, oh, yeah, like, you're going to throw up. They throw up in the plant. It'll get you. Take drink some dirt and water. Drink some dirt and water. What the hell do you get the hiccups? That's step two. I told you, I can't do. Nicotine. It's crazy. How do you live like that? You've got to get used to it, man. You got to you got to, you know, you got to slowly put, you know, slowly put the woman to pat your back. The D. And I was trying to think of a thing. I almost called it something else. Like that wouldn't actually sound real. Sound good. I was on a short nicotine and called the short nicotine. D. That was like, that might come off from the. The heavy nights waking up every day in the shitty motel, shitty motel, Hornshop, but that's what's on rainy because I think we're our philosophies, the version being a total pig in the shitty motel in Las Vegas. He was like, yeah, just like completely pig out. I was like, no, I would get in the best shape of my life in there. Like prison. I'll get these are two different prison philosophies. Exactly. Exactly. You might go the way of indulgence in terms of comfort. Yeah, I would train harder than ever and be like a jacked, sicko pervert, bringing lunch to strippers at like 11th or I'd bring them healthy stuff. I'd bring the strippers like hell. Yeah. That's every time in Vegas, I order healthy meals. I'm like, this is just me and prostitutes and strippers eating this food. Only people getting an Acai Bo in Las Vegas. Just being Dominican prostitutes. Yeah. Acai is like hooker. For. Yeah. This is a fun exercise to do in Vegas is just stop randomly in your travels in the street and then see how quickly you can get to a vegetable. And it's like performer vegetable, like no. No, like, yeah. Yeah. See how long it takes for you to find a guy with a wheelchair that you steer with a straw. That's how soon you eat a vegetable and it's taken me a very long time to find I should write context. We were Tim, you gave up the vape. You gave up the fucking V, which isn't fair. But you don't you don't think it's fair. I think it's totally fair. Why? You can't vape and be a daddy. I think you can't. Daddy can't make you become a cigar guy. Well, full time daddy. You know, why daddy's sucking a fake hog again. There goes daddy and his friend. Look at them out there. That's just like the bath fog. He keeps the real ones out. That's the past. You know, that's they don't suck your thumb. I want to see that. It's fine. I don't need the plants. No, the cigar. You need a cigar and your paws to be sitting there. Yeah, you know what? You don't go on Instagram and post La Familia. No. I'm not going to post like, you know, they like they wear suits to a funeral and they go, I clean up nice. You know, they get yourself. You need to see your kids do. Yeah, you just described my wicker brothers. Come on, man. I'm not doing it too. It's always like you can have it. You couldn't even recognize the person. They somehow get such a far suit. See the haircut. I think that is, I think that is that guy. I know. Yeah. The chin strap gets shaved down to almost like pencil thin. Like it's just an outline of their face. Is your wicker brother still alive? I think so. I'd have to check, but probably. Yeah, they never die. They never die when you want them. They are living longer. Like they are. I think it's like global warming that's doing it to me. Yeah. Life expectancy on them is like maybe how old's ever last? Is he? I would say 55 years old. 55 seems kind of aged for them. 50. Oh, he's 55. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Which in, in wigger years, that's, I mean, that's Geriatric. That's like Moses. That's what they said. Like Moses was 900 years old. Yeah. You're like the Indian guy with like the curled fingernails. 55 wigger. Yeah. I feel like once you go, I mean, ever last hat, brim gets longer and longer until it curls in on itself. Everlast paved the way with the gray hair though. You might be the first to see gray day one. And it helps through. He named himself Everlast. He walked away. My brother's good. He's on fucking. Well, what'd you say? I said, Oh, I'm going to repeat it, but I said, Everlast walks on my brother's good limp. They're both faking disability for work right now. It's kind of an inside thing, but I mean, that's also, you got a man. Do you think he intentionally left the house of pain guys behind or? Who ever was, wasn't he in house of pain? Yeah. He was in house. Yeah. How many guys are in house of pain? I think three. What happened to those guys? I don't know. I think maybe the DJ is the limp biscuit guy. I might have my wiggers mixed up. Hold up. What? You're telling me the DJ from house of pain joined limp biscuit. Is that DJ lethal? Can I just, can we get a where are they now? 50, 50 grind a rail real quick. I can't. I got to process this information. Can I grind a curb with my roller blades real quick so I can just process this? I didn't know that. Yeah. What? Yeah, man. And there was a, I think there was one other guy. Who did pack it up, pack it in. Was that Everlast classic? Yes. Okay. That part was sick. That was house of pain. Yeah. Yeah. Danny boy. Danny boy. Where the hell is he at? Dead. Probably. Yeah. He sounds like he got killed in a motorcycle. Is he alive? Well, where is Danny boy? Boss, probably the boss in streets or maybe LA. Either way. We don't have to research this. That's a way. Whatever. That blew my mind. I had no idea. Yeah. Damn. So that was a huge snag for LB. Like, how did that even come about? I don't know, man. It's like, I gave up trying to figure out wiggers because it's everything about them makes less and less sense. Like you think you haven't figured out as a kid, you're like, OK, he's going to die at 19 in a dirt bike accident. He's going to have to pull over to 26. But now you see them like old enough as to where it's hard for them to get out of a couch and you're just like, I give up trying to figure this out. Yeah. That is prime. Their legs get really skinny. Legs almost atrophy and they're wearing the ball short. So it's just like these little skinny little. You never catch a lift in legs. He's purple sausages. They'll go into Jordan. They drop the perk habit. They'll lift legs because they're sponsored. But it's like, it's pretty easy. And then they get like the big belly and then oh, their glasses prescription ends up like mine. What old wiggers get really like they get buzz light your eye prescriptions. And they so now they just got these googly eyes and like. It's funny. Their eyes are magnified, but their pupils are so constricted from perks. They probably look like the exact same size. Yeah. Any chance you can give me a ride to infinity or. You don't see him anymore, man. I don't I don't like or have they gone just mainstream? I'm thinking like they stay inside. I don't they don't get out as much after they stop like going out, you know, searching for honey dips, obviously they're both side trees. You might have a starter outreach program called peels on wheels. Peels on wheels. You strap the birds peels on wheels. They get really into like complicated, like, like hacked fire stick setups too. They had the nastiest fire stick setups when you go over to their department. Dude, had fire stick is like a fucking wigger Rubik's cube. Is it true that there's a signal for the fire stick that gets like sent out and like your race is a fire? Like if you buy one today in like a month from now, something that gets sent through the network that scrambles your fire signal is a wigger screaming to his girlfriend. You know, I got Dean, it's crystal. Because I've heard that before that the fire sticks like the only last they only last so long. I I've I've never dabbled, dude. I've I've been gainfully employed most of my life. And they get doused. They get doused. I think they get extinguished to get doused. I didn't have to my house and Philly for a little bit. Yeah, dude. I don't think too is like hacked or straight. It was apparently like anything on it. So it was it was like it was a hacked stick. And it was just a pain in the ass to navigate. Oh, they love doing it. They love they love going through 14 men. There's like a bad UFC stream. Like we would go to watch a movie. We'd be like, fuck, yeah, we got this movie. And it was be in French. And we're like, fuck, yeah, you go back in the next one. I was like, fucking Cam. Producers cut. There's like every shot just on like the tile. It was yeah, that was I was like, dude, I remember that. You know, my wife is always loving to save money. So that was one I had to be like, dude, can we can I just get HBO, please? This is this is getting ridiculous. Did you give it like a burry? Let's see your anything. Now I wanted out. I want to get rid of this thing. She was she was like so stoked on it. And I was like, bro, I'll get us HBO is $30 a month. What the fuck are we doing? This wasn't that long ago. 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We were talking on the way up about like, I don't know how we got on the subject of just old, old like network TV and how they're still just like pumping millions of dollars when it's like, bros, it's over, man. Like nobody's, nobody's tuning in to fucking like Fox. Yeah. It's the last Fox series you watched and like finish it all the way through. Grounded for life. How long it was that? Probably 30 years ago. Yeah, it's insane. They still just like fucking put the bread out. I think it's money laundering at this point. You think so? Yeah. I think they generate ad revenue because they're all of the channels are being played in like every waiting room everywhere has like five TVs now. And that's where all of your ratings are getting. I mean, I can't imagine that. No, that makes sense because that's my theory is that the execs are also just aged boomers because it's aged boomers have the Comcast still. Although I think my parents have finally taken off the Comcast. They cut the cord. Finally. And I could be wrong. They still might have like, dude, their bill was like $470 a month for cable and internet. And I was like, what the fuck are you guys doing? But I think the execs have the same brain where they're just like, we got it. This time we doubled down. They're probably just paying like Jake Gyllenhaal $900 million. And maybe another cowboy. It's just cowboy shows. It's modern cowboy shows. Every network has to have a modern cowboy show. You watch Landman or you landman? I haven't seen it. I saw a little bit of yellow. Is it good? No. Billy Bob Thornton being kind of pissed off. Taylor Sheridan rules, though. Is that a guy or a lady? He's the guy who created it. Oh, OK. Yeah. He created a Mystic River, I think. No, not Mystic River. White something. Dude, I was talking to someone recently who were trying to tell me Westerns are dead. I'm like, no, they're not. They're the biggest genre. It's the modern Western. It's Yellowstone, King of Tulsa and Landman. Now they're all going for the it's either gay hockey or now. We're at right now. Yeah, get either of one of the other gay hockey is like ruining my sheets. Like my wife is heavy in the fucking gay hockey. Right. Gay hockey. Yeah. Have you seen the show? No, I just know it's books. He goes, what show? No, there's a show called Heated Rivalry. Oh, yeah. That is that an effort? Think I think so. Dude, the books are fucked. They've been heavy for a while. And like, I remember going to the bookstore and just seeing like, dude, what the fuck is two guys kissing in the penalty box for? And then it was just like, oh, you find out like there's this whole job, subgenre of gay hockey guys. Now, chicks are getting here's my question. And again, I feel like girls are significantly lagging guys in this regard. Were they're just getting into like dirty books? Like, I feel like if you were, if you went to a porn shop, it was the first thing we did with Moveable Type. And they got into it after Kindles 2026. You think there's old sluts leaving like bags full of gay hockey erotica in the woods now? Well, it's also like, if you went to a porn shop back in the 90s and you were trying to buy porn, there'd be like guys in the aisles trying to blow you. Yeah. So I wonder if you can catch chicks in the Barnes and Noble's fucking like, you pop out of book and there's a lady on the other aisle. Stick your finger through. Hit the Starbucks cafe. Yeah, because I don't think girls are like hanging around CD bookstores. You have to redesign the glory hole, by the way, for women. Yeah. What would you I mean, you would need some sort of back up. What would you do? It would have to be like, no, what are the first times I'm cut away right now? What would that look like? Yeah, I think you're right. It would just be a toilet, but there's just a face under the toilet and you would let you sit down. She's kissing like the Blarney stone. Yeah. You'd have to have like a mummy tomb that you laid in. Now we're figured out for him. Let him figure it out for themselves. Queen slut in common. But yeah, the erotic. The erotic lit is fucking is crazy. Oh, mommy. The mommy. Can you get hard to that? What erotic? Yeah. Yeah, I could easily. Me too. It's stuff like when you when you could tell like, like I'll go on the literature sometimes and like, I'll pick out like, like a highly rated story and just think to myself, dude, how are who's giving these wait, what's literatica? A website or a place? It's a website where you can like pick all these different subgenres and they're all like regular people submitted. And it's like you could pick it by author or by subgenre. Some have audio I've heard. So that's pretty cool. Wait, you're listening to user made audio erotica ebooks. I have. Sure. Or some of them are just audio. It's not even a story. There's pretty much. It's pretty much a podcast. It's a podcast. I'm just letting you go. Oh. This is the podcast. Yeah, erotic lit. I talked about this for a while. I don't mind a racy story myself. I could get into erotic literature. I don't mind. And it feels cleaner too. It's refined. It is refined. You know, have all those images bounce in your head. You just read the story. And there's ones where you could like you could. It's like a mad libs booklet for slots. What? Like you can create your own story. No. They ever choose your own adventure? Yeah. It's not on literature. But it's a piece of paper. How the fuck did I miss this? Yeah. Five bucks a month will get you anything you want. Hold up. So they've choose your own adventures. Oh, dude, I'm putting all my. Are you just clicking that ad on porn? That's like, make your own. They stop checking off alone. I'm not. Who says I am? There's horny slots. And wait, that's my town. Well, that is funny. Imagine if that's a legit thing and there's a door to door guy. Be like, excuse me, man, are you a horny slut? Hordax slot census, dude. I watched you guys watch soft fight under belly. Yeah, I love that channel. I they just put up one recently about a younger guy who the title is just like it's something like I had the internet at a young age. Like I had too much internet at a young age. And I was listening to it earlier today and, you know, he's like, my dad was gone and he was working all the time. And one of my friends, I guess it started, he went on to gay.com. And I was like, who got turned out on gay.com. And he just never recovered. Dude, gay.com. I didn't even know. I'll be honest. I'm not trying to flex like I'm the straightest guy in the world. Gay.com never even thought. Bro, it's like even thought to you. It's like a ghostbuster trap. The little fucking sucky right in. Dude, I was killing me. And he's just like, yeah, I think he brought it up. Almost as like a lemon party type joke. And the kid was like, yo, what the fuck is up with this? He was young. And then he started doing this shit. I like early teens, probably like 14. Not that young. That's like 30 years. True. You're right. All right. Again, I don't want to I like I'm mixing up the ages. He might maybe he was 12 or 11 during gay.com. Yeah, because he does jump around a lot. You know, it's hard to put a real start to put a finger on. It sounds like he probably had a more serious problem. He's trying to pin it on gay.com when he was 13 years old. Yeah, I mean, again, we've all seen lemon party, but I think he was just like, well, you know what? Fuck them up. Gay.com led them to men chat. Men chat is where guys get together to chat. Mostly gay guys asking young boys for videos of them jerking off. So he started supplying the bros with the goods. I should say the bads. He started supplying the bros with the very bads. He became a creator at a young age. He became a creator. So he took control of his own content. But then the guy was like, oh, so he's like, did this for money? He was like, yeah, well, I didn't really have like a bank account. So like I just did it. He was just love at the game at first, just kind of like, I guess, thriving off the buzz. And yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing, but I was like, dude, getting sucked into gay.com. And I mean, the gay.com men chat pipeline. And but the thing is he lived. I I I will go back and watch this entire thing. I highly doubt the headline should be. I got the internet at a young age. There's no way that's what went wrong. Yeah, I don't know. Because everything else is pretty like cut and run. Let's go back to a younger age. And maybe there was something there, you know, maybe. Maybe there was some kind of serious disappointment or harm when you were much younger that see the guy cut. The guy's a good interview. And he was asking about that. It was like he was just a bored kid and his parents were too busy. But the the I thought to me, this is this was the thing that really kind of it's crazy to be that poor that I'm a board. So you ever hear JRPG's, dude, like the rest of us, you guys were bored nerds. Did any of you ever think there's a chance like I'm so bored? I'm going to I'm going to throw meat at the old guys. Not once. Yeah, I was so bored I would wrestle my uncle. Nothing to do, man. This guy's full of shit, dude. Wrestling, man, is the oldest trick in the book. But yeah, it's it, you know, again, it was like I was what I had questions as well. I had questions for sure. Dude, getting turned out by gay.com makes me laugh so fucking hard. It is like genuinely funny. Yeah, what did they have on the homepage, man? I don't even want to look, dude. I don't even want to imagine it, man, dude. I am worried I'll fall in face forward. But the problem was here's the thing, man, the kids out doing this thing, obviously, and but he would split time between living in Mexico and the states. And when he would go to Mexico, it was just couldn't do gay shit at all. So he'd have to detox from gay action in Mexico. I guess there wasn't a ton of gay action. There's probably really risky. Well, fucking. So you can get back to the land of the free. True land of the freaks. But yeah, he. Where the gape. The. He would go to Mexico and just have to completely just fucking detox out. So it wasn't gay action going on. I mean, I'm sure you can get it if you want in Mexico, but I think you have to be like high society, do gay action in Mexico. I'm just guessing. I'm saving up to be gay in Mexico. I'm saving my allowance. Like you'd have to do like, you'd have to get into like highly acclaimed avant garde theater and then you could probably score some gay. There's specific places like you got to go to taking it in the cancun. Right to. You straight facing them. Something like that. But yeah, that was a that was something I was just kind of just enjoying. Uncle Poco, the opening uncle Poco. The one thing that the way they started, I mean, let me just that the intro to it. God damn, where's my phone? The intro, this is how fucking crazy. And again, I'm, you know, look, we all have our demons. I'm not making fun of this poor guy. But the way the intro it is like, bro, come on, dude. I remember having this recurring fantasy that I would walk to the basketball court at the park and the construction workers would, you know, pull me into the bushes and rape me. And I would fantasize that I was the guy getting dunked on and his balls would get stuck on my head. I shouldn't have played that. That's to me. How the heck did you pull that up so fast? I was watching it, dude. It's a fucking home screen. Some of us are producers and podcasters. Sorry, sorry, sorry. That intro though, it's like, what the fuck? So that we will just. Yeah, it's probably the internet. I think it was the internet guy. Game.com, dude, beware. All those youngsters out there. Look, live your life. But where you go to one bad website and now you want the construction workers to rape you. He's it was it was a worry. That's legit fear. And then walking back. You never walked past a construction site. You like, wait, did he say it was a fear or a fantasy? I think it's a fantasy. It was a fantasy, bro. Yeah. Okay, look, we look okay. Fair enough. But it was a basketball court by a construction site. Is what he said. I believe so. Oh my god. It sounds like a fucking cheesery. I mean, pick your boys. Yeah. That's how the end one mixtape tour ended. Anyway, I feel bad making fun of it. I might make it well, I'll make it fun of the kid, but it's just funny. It's undeniably funny to get sucked into gay.com. So easy to get sucked at that age. And you had no idea. I it's dude is insane. It must be you could. I mean, worlds your oyster tapes hit me hard at that time. VHS. Yeah. Tapes were hitting me hard. I didn't have internet yet. So I had an aunt who bought me a soft core porn from the Playboy catalog. She bought me a movie called Chameleon. Another satisfied customer of gay.com. Yeah, she let me pick one, one movie from the Playboy catalog. And I picked Chameleon with Tori Wells. And how old were you? 12. What was we have you like? I mean, how good of a boy are we talking? How good of you? Yeah, I was I was straight. Amen. The listening chart must have been off the fucking dude. No trouble. A little chubby, never said a peep. I really kept to myself and my aunt was just like one day she's like, picks up out of this catalog. I look. OK, how do you what is your thoughts on that? She's a criminal. OK. But she also let me five G's when she died. So in Patsy, if you're listening, thank you for the movie. Thank you for the five G's. She's a criminal. She's she. Yes, she's a criminal with a heart of gold. Yeah, because I have thoughts on being like, you know, again, talking old school, I'm an old school guy. Is that like the subtle hookup to be like, I'm going to get this kid a soft core. But then again, it's like, oh, man, when you say it like that, you go, why? Dude, it's tough because like that's that summer that I got it. Like I was being occupied. Like I had Sega Genesis and I was playing PGA tour three. So you have shit to do. I yeah, my summer was locked down already. But then she's like, pick something out of this catalog. And Camilla looked enticing because Tori Wells is beautiful. And I was like, right, I'll take this. And then like midway through the summer, the tape came and the door had a lock on it. And it was one of those TV, VCR combos. And I slid it in and it was just like, yeah, it was like one X. So there was no penetration, but I knew what was happening. Can I get that? Yo, bro. I mean, I got to give it to you. Fantastic pick. Yeah. Taught what year is this? Probably 1993 ish. Yeah, that's wild. How did it come in the mail? Like how did the giant box came in the mail? Knew exactly what it was when I arrived at Ampatsies. She is. Okay. Well, you have to watch it alone. You don't have to watch it with her or anything. No, I didn't have to watch it with her. Although a couple of times my cousin and I, my cousin Chris and I watch porn together. As you share in the wealth, I think so too. Yeah. Cool guy watching porn together. That was I saw a lot of people, a lot of folks doing that. He was just making a joke every now and again. He would. We would just kind of lighten the mood. Now, that was that was a big thing. I met a lot of young bros were watching porn. Like we would get we had Spanish fly 14. Like through our neighborhood and we just like it was just everyone had that their system for it. Like who got who got it when older brothers dominated the goods. And you know, I was I was like, you guys scraps. I was like the guys in Mad Max. And the tape had been like worn thin. They were like, here you go. Fucking lose. You know, we had the Spanish fly for a while. We and we would always get caught. We would always get busted. We're like the Taliban with rockets every time we got comfortably, we have one little rocket. Dude, we would get busted immediately. Somebody would get busted. Because it was, it was the tape. It was the VCR. We're putting it into the getting busy program. They cannot have pussy. We have to stop them now. Because it was always that VCR, right? Is that Spanish? Yo, bro, you give me flashbacks. Wow. That's a great one. I like that was the VCR. So like if you saw the headlights hitting that front window, you'd be like, oh, fucking like. Every VCR sounded like Nick Nolte getting out of bed. Then your parents go home and just be sitting there like four people on a couch, no TV. I'm just like, just sweating. Oh, hey, guys. I was there. Yeah, it was mad. Yeah, I yeah, that was so fucking nerve wracking. Yeah, I remember we didn't we didn't have porno. But you remember a PBS series called Nova? Well, they did they did one with was a lady giving birth. And like it was full on pussy shot baby crowning. And like we were all just sitting there like this, like the situation room when they got bin Laden. So what's the policy now in terms of like internet porn? You have to ever give your kids to talk or you're just kind of like, no, someone in Roblox is going to do it for you. You think so? I think that's a huge issue right now. Roblox is a big issue. I watched another soft find under belly about that. I was molested on Roblox or something. No, it was it was like it was like time. This is a huge giant issue. It was it was it was tied to someone talking about like Epstein. It was actually a legit Epstein survivor. So what's Roblox like pedo Minecraft? Yes, actually, but the game rules for kids, right? I heard it's fun. It's it's ass. It's ass. It's ass. Every game in Roblox, there's a better real game out there that I would prefer to pay for. Yeah. But they go on Roblox and it's free. And then all the fucking kids from school are playing and being fucking, you know, groomed and shit, roomed and pedophiles on Roblox. Apparently, dude, I'm in the allegedly I well, no, I don't know. Are you going to get in trouble for saying no, there's a fucking game. You can't get on this platform. Roblox says, be for that. Clean up the goddamn pedophiles off your game, dude. Well, they're kind of protecting the pedophiles. What? Yeah, there's guys that are taking it upon themselves to weed out the pedophiles. What are they paying for a lot of the skins or something? Why? This guy's are fucking paying a lot of money. I pause my childhood for this. I ended my innocence to be what's up with Roblox? What are they doing to their pedophiles? They're like the guys that are trying to like route them out and like trap them and stuff in game are getting permanently suspended and shit like that. And the pedophiles are just being kind of let off with like a 30 day ban or something like that. Yeah. What the fuck? I might be misremembering and I haven't totally done a deep dive, but I think that's just what's going on. So allegedly, is it guys like hot talking kids or they like is a character molesting? Well, there is a guy that showed up at a kid's house. Well, yeah. No, I think they're well, yeah. I think they're just trying to like chat them up, kind of get like, what's the situation like? And if they have they find like not a lot of parental stuff, it's like, let's go. That's how those fucking bastards work. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Recently, I've been when do I feel the most amount of pressure at work on stage or when I'm lying on my belly? I know I just like to feel stress and burnout. 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And now it's like nothing but that kind of shit of like child groomers and how prevalent they are. You got to pull yourself out of it. Dude, it's every night I like fantasize about like beating pedophiles with baseball bats and like shooting them and stuff because now I'm like really because I'll like great screensaver for your brain, by the way. That's a great Roku city. It gets me in the background of your mind at all times. It gets me to charge. Like wake up. I get woken up in the middle of the night. I'm a kid back to bed and I go, oh, so what the fuck would I do if I saw a pedophile? And I just started to slide. I get my heart, my beats per minute, my heart are like 130. I'm just laying there like, do you sleep in pedophile, 100 pajamas? I should. It's like, yo, pedophiles. And now I'm like obsessed with sleeper cells from like terrorism stuff. So I'm like, okay, like if I'm in this play, I'm in a kid's play place. Guy comes in. I just game plan. I'm like between that and the Western Lonesome Dove I'm reading. I'm so I've never been closer to getting like tactical training with weapons. So I, I want to become like a crack shot. You can also, because in the book, dude, you ever read, either you had a red, ever read Lonesome Dove? I mean, I would immediately start. It's might be the best, my opinion, one of the best novels of all time. Just about like two guys who are old, um, re Texas Rangers who had to go and like, you know, fight Indians, like bad guys and shit. And so they're like kind of retired, but now the one guy's like, we should get, they like steal a bunch of cattle from the sky in Mexico and they got to just drive a herd. It's about, I would say about a thousand head. Hey, you ever keep out playing gay hockey? Dude, they got to get them from Texas all the way to Montana. And then they just encounter all these people on the planes. But like when they encounter dudes that like can't shoot people or like don't know how to learn like weapons trained, they're just kind of like, bro, like they can't either like get the fuck away from me. I'm like, I can't, I got to be weapons trained. There's touches of that in the dark tower, the gunslinger. Really? Yeah. Rollins like the best. You probably even a better gunslinger than the Lonesome Dove guys. Yeah. Not you're talking Augustus McCray. I, I, I had a dude I before went to bed last night. He literally shot like nine people fucking blue duck out of way. Son of a bitch. You let me gunslinger. You were the first friend that ever read in the afternoon. He's the best shot ever. He's way better than the Lonesome Cowboys. Stephen King fantasy stuff. Although I heard that series is sick. I got to read that. Well, the, the like the pecking order in the Wild West is like farmers are kind of like, you're kind of a joke. If you're like, you're a hard worker, the cowboy respects the work ethic of the farmer, but he's your soft target. You're an easy, easy target, most likely. And there's also a thing with cowboys where like, if you ask a cowboy to get off his horse and do a task, he's going to get kind of miffed. It's beneath the cowboy to get off his horse. You're like, Hey, he'd off my horse and like pull his pigs out of the mud. He's going to, he might want a problem with you. But then there's cowboy. So the cowboys above the farmer, but then amongst cowboys, it's like, have you ever seen any battle, you know, if there's all that other stuff, how good are you playing cards? So then there's like kind of cowboys, good cowboys, where they're kind of pussy cowboys. And there's like bad ass cowboys, but then like bordering into renegade, it's like pretty much end all be all. Dude, it's tough when pigs get stuck in the mud because most of them are front squeal drive. I believe I call them shots now. I don't even call them pigs anymore. Shots. That's one independent shot right there. Loan some dove, man. I, I, man, I could talk about it for an hour and a half. It's nice to crack into a good book where you get lost in the fantasy. 800 pages, dude. Oh my God. I'm so sad because I'm only, I'm 600 pages into this book and the thought of it ending, I'm like, motherfucker. Then it turns out, so the guy who wrote loans from dove, I think his name is Larry McMurti, Murty or something. Mertry, bro, guess what else gets, guess what other Western he wrote? Co wrote, by the way. Oh, nice. What do you think? You got to guess. 310 to Yuma. What's another Western stone broke back mountain? Whoa. I was going to say that as a joke. No, he literally co-wrote broke back mountain, but I tell my, I'm a lady. Who's the co-writer lady? Lady. I tell myself the lady handle. He's a story. He did all the good cowboy shit. Yeah. Cause he's like, I'm like, this guy's my favorite. I looked up his other books. I want to, you think you're going to hide broke back in the inside of loan some dove when you're finished with it? I mean, loan some dove so good. I might give broke back and run for his money, honestly, but it's, I think he handled all the cowboy details. I think there was a lady who cooked up a sick and twisted plot and she goes, I need a real cowboy to get in here and nice this thing. Um, like old Larry to loan some dove. Yeah. By the end of that journey, you're ready for him. I mean, you're not so alone so many more. When there's two of us, I, here's the thing though, man. I mean, I think it happened out on the range more than people care to admit, man. I mean, you're, you're talking about, you're on the, you're on the planes. Sunsets. Yeah. You're on the planes, man. There's not a tree inside. It's just grass as far as you can trust each other with your lives. Exactly. Who's your horse going to tell? They would also, they would get naked to like the Ford Ford, like forwarding rivers was like a huge, that was one thing cowboys would be afraid of cause it's like these dudes can't not swim. So being covered head to toe and denim doesn't help when your neck deep in the and your, your, your wrist is like, you have a thing wrapped leather strap, wrapped around your wrist. You don't lose the horse. And then the other part is just a horse biting it to hold on to it. Yeah. I don't know. Horses can swim too. Which surprised, I just didn't know they can swim. Yeah. Horse can swim. Crazy. But yeah, they, they would like get naked too. They'd all get naked together because it's like, you only have so many dry clothes. So you wrap up your clothes. Cause they, you know, if they got like wet from the rainstorm, you had one other change of clothes. You think fat cowboys wear a shirt in the river? I think it was impossible. I don't think there were fat cowboys. I think there's just fat cats. If you were, if you were fat then someone would be like, here, do you just want to own this railroad company? You had to be like a banker or something. Yeah. You're going to be a big fat banker. But yeah, lonesome dove. Can't. I, it's, I swear to God, dude, it's, it's like every night when I get to hit the sheets and read a chapter, lonesome dove, I'm like, are you going to bed earlier and earlier? Just did it again. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's as soon as I can get there as soon as everything's done. I'm right in bed, right? But I only pause the story if I'm going to get some motherfucking pussy. Yeah. I had to pause the dove last night. I'm getting to the age where like when you get the real, so, you know, when you're like 19, 20, maybe even early twenties, man, you guys, you know, dude, your girl's like, is that a copy of lonesome dove on my lower back? I'm getting to the age to where it's like, you know, I always took like a 100%, 110% boner for granite. Like, I know, man, every time cash money. Yeah. Bro. Last night I had 110% or not. You just enjoy it so much. You're just like, let's fucking go. You just feel awesome. You're taking a beat. I've been running a lot. Okay. So yeah, I've been doing a lot of sprints too. So like when you, when you do sprints, like you're, you produce a lot of growth hormone and it like, you know, when you lift weights, your muscles grow, when you do a lot of high, like intensive cardio, your whole circulatory system, the growth hormones makes your veins like wider and more expansive. So you just, you just get blood rushing. So yeah, if anyone out there is slapping the old fish around the market, you gotta, you gotta become a preacher and start spreading for your life too. Just imagine at the 100 meter mark is just your hard boner. Now, how long do you gotta be training to like get that kind of boner? Dude, I think it's like, honestly, it's pretty quick. Honestly, I, I, I don't know. Cause it's like, you know, there's a lot of other factors, obviously, you know, with boners or complicated beasts, but, uh, if you can't think about them, that's the one thing you can't be soon as you like, you're like, am I all the way? It's just, it's no hitter. Like the second you mentioned it, it's gone. It's gone, dude. So that's been a, it's been fun for me. It's a fun game. I always like a nice challenge. Now, uh, I've, I've always been set. I've always been like, nah, nah, I've always been able to talk about them. Like not me, bro. I got to rick up 24 seven. I gotta try it cause like, I think I'm my default boners at like 80. And it's like, you think back to all the boners you took for granted, like the sixth grade ones, when you're reading diary of Anne Frank, just rock hard, just burst them through your fucking khakis. And you're just like, yeah, this would be for the rest of my life. I mean, either that is either one better. They mentioned that in the sequel, Sean. That's how they caught him. He was throwing down on the toilet. I support your journey. Thanks man. No, this is a complete no judgment zone. I did. This is a serious question. Was there a racey stuff in Anne Frank? Cause I almost vaguely remember dudes getting kind of bricked up reading. Well, I think she was in love with her cousin. So it's like being that like step stuff is popular now. I think if you read that now, you might look at it from a different perspective and get a little, little hot in the pants, a little hot in the stripe. But John, it's a six grade boy. That's not that crazy to say, you know, I get charged up on anything when I was in sixth grade. Honestly, reading a girl's name reading a girl's diary. I was like, fuck dude. No way. Honestly, it's like shameful that we were all reading this poor girl's diary. Yeah. It's kind of weird. Honestly. I know. And then it was all made up. That's the worst part. Oh, I thought we were joking around. Boners, dude. I thought we were having a fun time. Serious conversation about Bonari. But we can have a little joke here and there. All right. Welcome to the podcast. Dude, I support your joke as well. Thank you. I support everyone right now. Dang, this should make you hiding jokes in your podcast. They should make a joke, like a pride joke flag. You know what I'm talking about? Instead of like the rainbow flag that's like trans, gay, lesbians, black people, for whatever reason. I'm so sorry they've made you guys all gay. That's it's like, if you're gay, fine. But like, if you can't just be gay big and we call black people too, it's like, leave them the hell out of this pinks pastels blues. It's like black and brown. The hell is that Atlanta? What is the reason for that, by the way? It's such a weird move. I saw like, you know, and again, whatever, fucking do your thing. But like, I was always the thing for me. I was just kind of like, why what does that represent? And I'm pretty sure it represents like being in solidarity with black and brown people. It's like, that's nothing to do with sexual preferences. Do you guys feel bolstered by gay people joining your cause? Unless that could be. I don't even know. No, I think Matt's onto something. It says here for specifically to represent and include LGBTQ plus people that are BIPOC as well. Yeah, but what the fuck? So it's only for BIPOC. We gay, like when you guys are gay, it's a whole separate thing. So it's not a struggle. Black people be gay like this. Would you guys consider marching with furries? I'm going to hold on. I'm going to hold on. Shut the fuck up. I'm going to lie detector. Not out of like a political thing. Just for kink. For kink. Not your thing. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. So the stripe, just to clarify, that's what the stripes for. It's not for like BBC love. Anyway, that's I was just curious about that. So funny throwing that on there like a kid throwing a candy bar on the fucking the fucking belt at the supermarket when his mom's not looking. And this too. Yeah. Toss it up. I'm done. I mean, I think personally, if you have a flag totally fair, needs to come with a national anthem or some sort of song. There needs to be a gay national anthem. That's fair. Look, you think so? Unofficial ones. Yeah. Pink pony club is pink pony club. Damn, I fucking love that. Am I listening to that with my kids all the time? That's a gay national anthem. Uh, no, just maybe in my head. Yeah. This is like a lesbian stripper. Yeah. Caleb Scott's big. Okay. Techno beats Madonna. Why I see it. There you go. Never mind. Never mind. Calling Mr. Vane. Lamar, what are you talking about, dude? That's definitely the gay national anthem. Anytime if you if you're dressed like an instruction worker, someone has any other type of outfit, you get called the village people and people are, you know, it's a gay national anthem. This is how we do. No, what is it? Oh, really? What the hell? How's it go? Could you sing? It's just a bar of it, maybe? Sean, could you add like rattling chains to the Oh, Jesus. So fucking nasty today. That was more about his tamper and the way he was thinking. I'm sure it's a higher register. We're on one today. Matt, what are you talking about? Well, well, well, well, so what else are you guys up to? You know me. I was picking out in that hotel room. What were you doing? Oh, yeah. That's oh, that's okay. That's where the whole conversation came from. You were at a hotel next to the airport and I got secretly very jealous of you. You can really ping at a hotel next to an airport. Yeah, bro. I'm not kidding. When I say I was four or five times a day, they should cut the hotels next to the airport should have a direct modem connection that can go right into your phone. Yeah. At the end of the day, my phone's like, I'm tired, boss. It's nice. Man, I cranked the fucking tunes. I talked to my phone. That's awesome. So you were just, you were just set up like a king just chill. Dude, it's, I got such a nice hotel for 85 bucks and I was just going ballistic and that fucking thing. I was having, I told you, I was having guests come up to record podcasts too. So I was meeting guys in the lobby, bringing them up until like a, like a come vape. Was there a towel under the door? It probably felt like the rainforest in there. It was so nice because there was no like verification. Like it is in Texas. Like back in Pennsylvania was the wild west man. Have you verified age verified? Honestly, it's funny to bring that up this morning. I did because one of my favorite ladies, Sadie Andrews, she was putting out a new video today and I signed up for her premium service. But I was kind of bummed because the video she posted didn't come out till Tim and I were on our way here. Man, your aunt, I hope your aunt burns in hell. Yeah. I can't wait to dig into that thing when I get home, man. You think this is more acceptable than daddy vaping? I'm ready to have this conversation. This is better than daddy vaping. Daddy gooning is better than daddy vaping. Here's the thing in privacy. Yes. If you were to get busted, daddy gooning and then you're vaping right in front of them. No, I don't. You've even seen it from them. Like a, that's different. Hold on. That's different. Of a different color. That's good. I'm completely on your side. Yeah. If you're, if you're privately vaping, that's your business. I know. Also just secretly vape. I have so many uncles that secretly smoke cigarettes from everyone in my life. Yeah. That actually does sound exciting. Yeah. Dude, I had uncles that just smoked cigarettes on construction sites, but never do it around anywhere, like anywhere else. Oh man. That's so cool. Yeah. I'm going to start, I'm going to start vaping on construction sites. Hey, watch out. Just be careful. Yeah. That's what you do. Do I think you could continue vaping if you got real into like, if you build a gazebo, I feel like if you build a gazebo with your bare hands and you're like, I'm going to come out here and vape. Yeah. No, I'm going to say shit to you. My vaping gazebo. Covered a nice crawling ivy. I think if you build a gazebo, I mean, no, I geek bar gazebo. Don't bother daddy. He's in his gazebo. Yeah. When you put it that way, it might not help the cause. What if you like draped it out like a really sheer material? So that when you vape, it's like, almost like a ceremonial thing, like some pipe, like some pipe and draping. Sure. I think I'd chill. Yeah. You know what I'm equals hell. What if I set up like a tap system at a bar so I'm never actually vaping the vice? There's just like core. I mean, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not a bar. So I'm never actually vaping the vice. There's just like cords that come down that are tapped to like vape banks under the gazebo. And I'm just hitting the tap. That's kind of nice. That'd be fucking sick. I could YouTube that. What about hookah? You think hookah? I would be like, I do have a hookah's. I do have a couple of disposable hookah's. So is that a vape? But just like a with a genie on it? It's like a it's like a tubular vape with like a one of them has I was like a flaming night on it and it's not vaping. It's a hookah. It's completely different. What's the difference? Actually, does it water filtered? What is it filtered through water? Why is it? What's the difference? No, it's the, it's the, whatever the different herb is that they hookah. And I'll tell you this does not scratch the vape ish. Tim, who controls the vape banks? Wait, was the pun hookah controls or who controls who can. We'll do it on our podcast. Yeah. You're not going to trip me up. Well, this has been a great time. Do you share your vape with other guys? Only Ari Maddie. That's fair. Yeah. I mean, look, yeah, you're going to have to like start stashing them. Yeah. Like the liquor in the attic. What's, so let me get, let me get the counterpoint. What is the. What's the gruff with you vaping? It's a health risk. Yeah. And I'm getting old and it's gay. I think it's probably equally weighted between the two dying and being gay. Yeah. His vape is. And I'm fine with both. Yeah. I don't, we're all going to be holding. I'm gay and I don't want to live a second longer than I absolutely have to. Okay. I guess solid defense. I also really like it. My penis sucks sometimes. Yeah. That's that's the trade off. You ever vape while you get it sucked? I haven't. I don't make enough money for that. Rest assured when things hit for me, I will be moving different. That's true. Maybe when the move for a little blue raz. Have you tried to share the vape? You like just get it on the side. It a little bit. Oh, that's a good move. Would you be in the habit of vape smoke? Blood. She goes, no, she goes, no, I'm not a gay guy. Devastating, bro. That hurts. That hurts. That hurts. I mean, I might switch to gooning and say, is this preferable? Now I know women's names online that I send five dollars to. Is this better than me hitting the frozen white mango? While I play marathon. Is that is that is this different? Brother, I got a queen size bed and my wife and I are fighting right now. Come over when we're done. We'll each hold one end of the phone and I'll show you. Shake, shake the handker's new video. Yeah. The question is, what do you want? How do you fucking know? I'm going to be left alone. Come goon, man. True man is my Vietnamese friend in high school. I think we all should just chill out. Go on men chat dot com. Go off some steam. Just have it out. Talk to the bros. You would go to men chat first then gay dot com. You think what would happen if we get spit out instead of suck the in? Well, I think we're I don't know. I think the crazy thing is, is like as a guy jerking off online and recording yourself, there's a market for you pretty much always. So I was like, are we too old for men chat? We'd be the guys asking for the vids or like, what the hell? What do I even do on there? I don't know. We should all go get some new outfits. You should go on men chat dot com and just video to have yourself vaping. There's probably I would imagine there's gay guys. I want to see you vaping, bro. Now you're like, this is business. Now you're now you're here with business, babe. I can't let that slide. I'm on men jet dot com. I we could all get the day dot com. Dude, we could all we could all hit the white peach mango and call it gang vape. White peach. Oh, fuck. There's gonna be a game to have. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. That's great. I don't know. There's no there's no easy answer for this stuff. There's no there's not. I think it would go like Russian nesting dolls. Like you could probably be the be the hunted mats like the middle ground. And I'm the guy that's asking for the vids. San Francisco nesting dolls. True. I'm probably like, I'm probably sending some vids receiving. I probably hit him at yo range. Check that out. Yeah. You're liaison. I think if we if I did sit in the middle, this would be sort of a Pokemon evolution of gay pervert. Shars are. This episode is sponsored by gay.com. And that looks like a twink. Oh, no, I'm a twunk. I'm a bear. I'm actually get it right. I'm a twunk. What's the difference? Twink. Whoa. It's like a honky twink. Whoa. Twunk is when a twink puts on muscle. Who forced you to learn that? Charles Blisney. When I did, uh, what do you call it? Gargoyles Incorporated. He broke me off a twunk terminology. And I was like, bro, thank you. What's Tim? Seal, I would imagine. Hmm. I've heard that before. Bear cub, maybe. Yeah. It could be a bear cub. What would you be? What do you think I am? Sh, go crazy in the chat if you can tell me what I am. I think I would you say, would you say you're honest and God, would you say you're a bear or a pig? Pig is high. Honestly, bro, I have nothing but respect for gay pigs. You know what a pig is, right? No, it's helping. So there's a guy and my brother drove trash trucks. There was a trash truck driver who was just an out and out pig. So a pig is like a guy who rolls up, you know, you have the twunks, you got the seals, you got the bears, a pig. We'd be partying and hope you have, you know, we have the airport fucking hotel, be all partying. A pig would roll up and a pig is just like a pig will do anything, dude. Well, man, clean up duty. Like pigs are just like the horniest gay guys possible. I hope you guys are ready for some scrapple. So you could be a bear. I don't want to tell you I'm just putting all the options out there. You know what I think? Pig to me is like, I'm an effort guy. So I think I'd be a pig as opposed to a bear. It's like the seeker in Quidditch. They're like, it's the most important thing. Well, everyone's doing their thing. They're like really winning the game inside. A pig is nice. I like to think I'm a bit of a pig as well. Can you be a twang pig? I mean, bro, I think there'd be nothing more in demand than a twang pig, a hairless, twang pig. Hairless, bro. Completely hairless. You could really get me glistening. You could wax me up. Fine. I get lucky. Even get holding me. I'd be I'd be a slippery fellow. Yeah, I could picture you on a float. You're the golden snitch. I do have a fat ass. All your asses. Dude, I'm I'm I'm bulking up for the summer. I'm kicking. What's your ass looking like right now? I'm caked. I'm historically caked. That's what's up. Yeah, I've been flipping the tire. That's what's having really. Yeah, a lot of guys have no ass. I've been learning. That's the saddest thing in the world. I know. What do you got? Are you your dog? As our ass caked. Yeah. Are you sure? Your dog. As I have dog. As dog. As Nate, a toy is dog. Yeah, I used to have an ass. And now you lost your ass. I lost my gambling. I used to be caked up. Lost my how'd you lose your ass? I just I don't know. I just started sitting on it. I stopped. I was sitting on it. I squished my. I don't know. I don't know. That's fair. I don't think you're caked up. Lemire, I think you probably got teacher. As he gets just wide and just mushed. You look like like the kind of ass it looks like you say, come here, baby. Teacher ass is crazy. Where your knees don't bend inward. Do they? No. No, I was making sure that kind of dictates the shape of the big guy. But it gets kind of like a bloodhound mouth thing going. Yeah, that's there's not much variation for guys. Asses, honestly. You either have a fat ass or just no ass. Really, it's not women. You have like heart shaped, tiny, you know, you have a lot. You have a lot of different butts. Oh, God dang, man. I think we done did it. Where are we at here? Woo. Wow, man. God damn. Twonk talk took his home. Twonk talk. We really slid into home. It's a consistent thread through the entire app. Perfect. Perfect. It's got to be called the episode is definitely gay.com for sure. Can you get them as a last minute sponsor? You think I would like to hope you're the that of the you guys familiar. Wow, wow, Wes. No, tell me I shouldn't even talk about the fuck. Hello. Right now there's a place in I think it's like New England somewhere where it's just an all male naked retreat. And when I first heard that, I was like, serious, that's kind of like crazy. But it's obviously just gay guys. And if you're under 33 years old, your first day is free. Larry Bird fans. Under 33. Bird fans. Under 30. Under 30. It was like 31 or 32. But either way, I don't want to put the house on blast. You know, there's a nasty denotation behind that. Yeah, I think so. We're gonna do that meet meet up at the. Wow, wow, Wes. Yes. Do a LAN party at the. Wow, wow, Wes. Being outside naked in the woods, wood rip. Undoubtedly. I would be scared to get attacked by something. A twang. No, it's just like some weird beast in the woods, like a fucking fox or something. A fox with a naked guy. Fox will steal your penis in the woods. That's what I worry about, man. Yeah. So cunning little fox bite would get you. We're in a little cloak. Joe, Joe, just snatched your little penis off and run away. But you feel better clothed or is that not the issue? Yeah, I would like being clothed in the woods. OK. That way you can just get loose. You don't want to be naked and afraid. Yeah, I think I would bugs to bugs. Get a bug up your butt would be terrible. Especially got a lot of your butt. Especially got like a little slippery centipede going up there. I worry about some roly polys having a time. My butt. Couple of those little guys is growing up in the balls and doing a conga line to me with their little fucking little feet. God damn. Yeah, we about landed this bird. Oh, man. It was there. Thank you guys. Thank you for having us, man. Dude, obviously, check out dad meat. Yeah, baby. Oh, come see me on the road. I mean, I'm in Ohio this weekend. I'm in Boston next weekend. I'm taping a 30 minute special at the Creek and the Cape with that gas digital in May. Come do that stuff, please. That'll be awesome. And check out my books at on perks.com. Also, patreon.com slash getting some head. I'm doing a goals and accountability group. So check that out next week. Hell yeah. Also this weekend, guys, this is really big. I'll be in Indianapolis. Sorry. I'm going off the gate.com interview. I mean, St. Louis at the factory on Friday and then 314. I'll be at a Morrill Hall in Indianapolis, Indiana. Please come out to that. And that's it. Thank you. Awesome.