Censorship is Coming

what's up everybody what's up welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i am dave smith he is robbie the fire bernstein we are fresh back from oklahoma uh we we both flew back yesterday and then the day after tomorrow we're flying out to phoenix arizona where we will be at the desert Ridge improv all weekend. We got shows, uh, one, one show Thursday night and then two shows Friday, two shows Saturday out there. First time ever going out to, uh, to do standup in Phoenix. I'm really looking forward to it. I know we, we got a lot of fans out there. People are excited for us to come. Yeah. These are, uh, we're headed into the wild times and you get home and then two days later, you already got to be back up at four in the morning and fly out. And then, uh, I'm already porching people. So I got a show in Bridgeport, Connecticut, old Sabra, Connecticut, uh dc and uh long island city coming up you can find all those dates at robburnsoncommy.com uh detroit's coming up a lot of dates going up there so go check it out i will be dropping more dates soon hell yeah dude that's right it's it's in the 70s outside you smell that fresh cut grass that means rob's drunken show is coming up real soon to a porch near you all right so let's get into some stuff there's a bunch to talk about it's one of those shows where i got more topics to talk about than we'll be able to cover in a show, but let's get into it. All right. The war is somehow going worse. It's somehow worse than it was just a few days ago. There's essentially, I mean, it's not worse in a major developing way. It seems to me, my read on the situation is essentially that Donald Trump is still trying to figure out gimmicks that he believes will persuade Iran to take a deal that's less favorable to them. That seems to be, as I mentioned on the last episode, what all of this is about. There's been a fair escalation in the Strait of Hormuz. There's Donald Trump launched what he called Operation Freedom because we know it always works out as long as you call it freedom, Rob. Don't let Operation Iraqi Freedom fuck with you on this one. This is a totally different thing. Operation Persian Freedom or whatever. And, you know, again, there's it just seems to me like if I were to sum up what's going on right now with the war, it's like. It almost feels like you're like, I don't know, to make like an automobile analogy, which isn't my stride, but like your brakes are shot and you're sitting here messing around with like, well, what if I put some more AC fluid in? And you're like, yeah, that's really not going to get at the heart of the matter here. The bottom line here, these are the undeniable dynamics. We've been talking about them for weeks, right? But the bottom line here is that the Pentagon's assessment of militarily opening the Strait of Hormuz, as they said to Congress clearly, was that it will take six months and it can't happen until the war in Iran is over. translation rob there's no military option to open the strait of hummus because you have to end the war anyway and then it's going to take so you'd essentially have to get around's blessing for you to militarily open it we don't have their blessing if we had their blessing we wouldn't need to militarily open it because it would be open right so like there that it's a clear case of there isn't a military solution and so essentially all that donald trump has right now is to threat is to threaten around and hope that the threat scares them enough that they capitulate. And like, hey, after all, we do have the most powerful military fighting force in the history of the world. So let's threaten it. There's one major problem with that, Rob. People may have forgotten about this because it was, I don't know, years, decades ago. But Donald Trump already threatened to destroy the entire civilization. He threatened to destroy the entire civilization. And you know what the response of the Iranian people was, Rob? Well, it was largely to like, what did they do to go stand on the bridges, to literally go stand on the bridges and go, you're going to have to kill all of us if you want to take them out. That is not the response of a people who seem ready to capitulate. And if they weren't going to capitulate to that threat, what else is there? You threaten total civilizational destruction and they weren't going for that. So I don't know your read other than this but it seems pretty clear to me here that like trump can talk all the shit he wants to they are not backing down and you're in a situation where it's like now what now what are you gonna do you see i uh i seem to be getting different news than you because from what i understand this has been de-escalated to a mini war and donald trump just got two boats through the straits so it's uh essentially open uh despite from what you're hearing from iran yeah yeah it's open i mean don't let the fact that over the last two weeks less ships have passed through than at any other time in the strait of her moose in my lifetime don't let that fuck with you but that's what we view as open um donald trump is um look i mean what what can you say at this point i we called it at the beginning of this war the guy just totally trashed his own presidency. He's running around really just embarrassing himself at this point. Let's play. There's a bunch of stuff. I know you had sent one of the longer. Let's start, Natalie, with the two that I sent. So let's here's here is Donald Trump just earlier today talking about what the state of post-war will look like. When this is over, you'll have a world without a nuclear weapon with Iran. If you allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon, the world would be in great jeopardy. So we're talking about... Okay, so this is the latest pitch here, Rob. This is a quick clip. The latest pitch here is that when this is all over, Rob, just try to imagine a world like this, Rob. When this war is over, Iran will not have nuclear weapons and the Strait of Hormuz will be open. Can you imagine a world like that? Can you? Did you ever dream that maybe one day you could live in a world where Iran didn't have nuclear weapons and the Strait of Hormuz was open? I mean, sure. We were all in that world eight weeks ago. And before that, my entire life. And beyond that, all of human history. I mean, I don't know. I'm not sure. Was the Strait of Hormuz closed like in the past? Okay. Maybe I shouldn't say all of human history. But they never had a nuclear weapon. That's for sure. So Donald Trump is going to hand us the victory of what was the status quo before he launched this war. That's the best he can come up with promising right now. Well, you know, in this fast moving media environment, it's hard to imagine a world that existed eight weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. No, it sure is. It's hard to go back in time and remember a world that we lived in when the Straits were open and Iran didn't have a nuke. But Donald Trump promises to spend more money and get us back there. To bring us back to the promised land. Look, he's making America great again by restoring it to exactly the way it was. and he will by the way he'll add this war to the list of wars he's ended if we ever do get out of this but he hasn't quite ended it yet so anyway here let's go to the other clip from Donald Trump again this is where the propaganda is at right now it's all a skirmish because Iran has no chance they never did they know they express it to me when i talk to them then they get on television they say how well they're doing and they have no navy totally wiped out they have no air force totally wiped out they have no anti-aircraft capability totally wiped out no radar they have no leaders the leaders are wiped out the whole thing and then i read the papers and they say how well they're doing they're not doing well that's why you have no credibility no credibility the the the news the fake news has no credibility but i call it you know rob the thing is it's it's really very clear cut if you keep saying things that aren't true then eventually you have no credibility and that is what donald trump is lecturing others about in in this war that he has declared victory in 50 times. He's declared the strait was open. He's declared that there's a deal where we're getting all the enriched uranium. He's declared that he's going to end their civilization, but he's very worried that you lose credibility if you keep saying things that aren't true. Again, what Donald Trump here, there's, look, again, this is on the level of trying to convince you that Joe Biden isn't senile. when he clearly can't speak. There's some propaganda that's just going to be really tough to sell. And the idea here, right, as I mentioned on the last show, as I just mentioned in the opening here, the whole game here is to make Iran capitulate. But the fact that Donald Trump is going to look you in the eye and go, and they totally are. They are. They get on the phone with me. They keep telling me how weak they are, how much they want to make a deal. But then they get on TV and they just lie. And so it's like, OK. But then why are they not making a deal? Why have they not? I mean, I'm sorry, Rob. It's just as I've said, I think I've taken kind of a humble, reasonable stance on this. I've never said that, like, hey, look what the Iranian regime says, that's the truth, because the Iranians say, look, hey, they lie, too. They're also a government. I'm just saying if you look at the words of both sides and then look at their actions, I don't know how you're going to sit here and claim that they are waving the white flag. They are attempting to surrender. What we know is that, as I said, when you threaten to destroy their civilization, their people went and stood on those bridges. when you threaten to destroy their civilization, the regime said, well, then I'd evacuate Saudi Arabia if I were you. By the way, this regime that Donald Trump talks about that has no leadership and no military and no intelligence and no infrastructure, what have they been doing over the last 24 hours, Rob? They've been bombing the UAE. Someone's doing that. They're not making a deal. They got up and left the talks. in Pakistan. So all of the available evidence to us points at one obvious conclusion, which is that Donald Trump is completely full of shit. Nothing else makes sense here other than that very simple answer, which is also consistent with Donald Trump's entire track record as a human being. What do you think? I love, I want to see the Iranians just play trump back at trump and it would be all of their middle eastern bases are destroyed they're running out of patriot missiles their own population doesn't like it they're spending too much money the straits are closed their middle eastern partners are pissed off like uh it'd be it'd be a stronger case than american trump is making right now persian trump would be he'd have a lot more to say um yeah they can't they can't sustain it no one's going to be able to grow food next year here like they got they got plenty of things to say back and at the end of the day uh the straits are closed and so we're still stuck in a war at the moment which is uh usually the reason why you do blockades because you're still engaging in warfare yep yep it would seem so all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is cowboy colostrum they offer the highest quality bovine colostrum available in the u.s cowboy colostrum is 100 percent made in America from 100 percent American grass fed cows. 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And for a limited time, our listeners can get 25% off their entire order when they head to cowboycolostrum.com slash Dave and use the promo code Dave at checkout. That's 25% off when you use the promo code Dave at cowboycolostrum.com slash Dave. All right, let's get back into the show. I mean, look, dude, like there is no, this thing I got to say at this point, I think it's going to escalate. I don't see how it doesn't. The question is like how, you know, how far up the escalation ladder do we go and how much do we get trapped in that escalation ladder? But clearly they're not willing to capitulate. And Donald Trump is not accepting. You know, Donald Trump is not any longer even signaling maybe we could walk away without the strait being opened. So. Bad situation. And we'll we'll see what's going to happen here. You know, I got to say, we talked a bit about this on our last episode, but it is particularly disturbing that the people who are – some of the people who are most vocally supportive of this war are now either openly or indirectly calling for censorship. I would you know, this is literally Mark Levin, who is not just some random person. You know, this is a guy who has been a longtime host at Fox News. There's a guy who visits the White House, is in Trump's ear, clearly has been lobbying for this war. He's also the guy who the president of the United States has been openly promoting, saying, screw all these other, you know, MAGA influencers. They're kicked out of MAGA. But Mark Levin is the guy. be sure to watch Mark Levin's show tonight. And then on his show tonight, he advises the president to invade the country with ground troops. Like there's an even kind of implies that maybe nuclear weapons shouldn't be taken off the table. This is, this is somebody who is essentially a, a propaganda arm of the regime in the same way Dan Bongino is clearly being promoted by the president. And he is out publicly calling for all of us to be censored. That's what he's calling for. And I think when there's a threat like that, we should take it really seriously. They're also given the dynamics of where we are right now. There's essentially we won the argument. objectively like we won when it comes to persuading the people to be against this war um and there's many of us who have been involved in that effort i'm proud to have been a part of it um but we've won that and they lost the argument and they got the war anyway and now there's just this thing where we've really never seen anything like it where we've never seen a war this unpopular certainly not at the beginning wars have become very unpopular by the end but not going into it. And the president's approval numbers are tanking. I think they're going to go substantially lower than they are right now, even. And OK, well, what can you do with that? You know, he's this administration has a war that they're prosecuting. This president has a has three years almost left in his term. And he's got a big problem, which is all of us. and this is what is openly being thrown out there now that the I guess the answer is we gotta start booting people off of social media we gotta start changing the algorithm we gotta tone them that we essentially need to silence these people and this is something that look if it does end up happening like okay I mean this was we all knew there were risks involved in this game and we go in with our eyes open and we know we're taking them. I would just say that at least right now, while we all still do have platforms, that we should at least insist that the battle lines be drawn very clearly here Like there is there is been there was a real free speech movement in this country over the last few years You know there, it was a huge, huge, huge part of Donald Trump's winning coalition is that the, the progressive establishment had become more censorious than anything we had ever seen in, in my lifetime in American politics. I wouldn't say in the history of the country, because certainly there were, you know, you can read about Woodrow Wilson throwing anti-war protesters in jail and stuff like that and institutionalizing anti-war activists. But we had never seen that in our life before. And people, of course, through 2020 and into the Biden years, it was at its absolute worst where you couldn't even be, you couldn't even say that, say like the official propaganda about the vaccine was wrong or that people were getting vaccine injured you really risked you would lose your youtube channel lose your twitter account lose all the stuff and many people did um and there's a push for for this to come back this time from many of the people who rode the free speech train and so i think at least now we should um we should make as much noise about this and we should call on as many people, including guys who are on the pro war side to be very transparent about where they stand on this. You know, however you feel, you may have one opinion on the war. We may have a different opinion on the war, but if we're not all together in agreeing that you have a right to that opinion and to not be silenced for having it, then I think we really expose who's who here. And so I would, I would call on even any of the, maybe the people who like I'm some, I have good relationships with or decent relationships with who might be on the other side of this issue. I don't know, maybe Tim pool or Patrick, but David, Constantine Kassin, who I believe just had another child. Congratulations to Constantine. Where are you guys on this? Cause we're sitting here saying, let's keep debating this. Let's keep having conversations about this. We w we would like to make our arguments. No one on our side, not Tucker Carlson or Megyn Kelly, nobody is saying Fox should fire Mark Levin or Twitter should ban his account. Nobody on our side is saying that. The censorship is coming from one side of this conversation, and that is crystal clear. And man, if the Trump movement and the anti-woke movement can't at least agree on that, that we all get freedom of speech as a birthright in this country, then man, then we're in real trouble. Anyway, just wanted to mention that because I am quite concerned about what's coming. I will say, Rob, I don't know how they're going to do it, if that's their plan. This toothpaste is way too out of the tube to start trying to collect it up and shove it back in. I'm like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do is shut down Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and Candace Owens and me and Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes and like how big of an audience at this point are we talking about and shut everyone down what do you think they're all just going to go back to watching Jake Tapper or something like that they'll find someone else it'll be the next person you're just going to have to shut them down too and and this one is a tougher play than the COVID misinformation because at least COVID misinformation you could pretend you've got non-doctors giving you a bad medical advice that's going to lead to uh you know harm to people's health and it's a once-in-a-generation crisis and we can't possibly have anyone criticizing the official narrative this is a tougher play because it's just more nakedly aggressive you would have to pretend iran was an imminent threat and people who are questioning uh the capability of donald trump's decision making or our military power are getting in the way of keeping our nation safe because otherwise, uh, Iran was going to kill us. They're working towards killing us. There will be imminent straits, imminent strikes on our homeland. You don't have the same urgency there, uh, to possibly sell people on the dangers of why, why questioning, uh, the process is dangerous. And if the process here is just Donald Trump's decision-making, uh, good luck selling that to a wide American audience and having the left involved in that it's not okay to question Donald Trump's decision making process. So I think you're right. It's going to be, I think shadow banning will be the easier effort to basically manipulate the algorithms so that some of this stuff isn't being as widely seen. But I don't, I don't know how they could possibly do what they did during COVID for this one. I'm not saying that they won't try it, but it seems like a much tougher play. I think the shadow banning and the really trying to get into the algorithm and which is why some of them mentioned the algorithm a lot. Try to as as as Mark Zuckerberg said when he was on Joe Rogan's podcast. Well, we didn't do what Twitter did and silence the Hunter Biden laptop story. We just turned down the volume on it. We just made it so that no one could see it. If you put you're still free to post about it. And you're like, yeah. And everybody, everybody who wasn't a woke progressive saw through that immediately and went, that's just the same thing. It doesn't matter. You're talking about the exact same thing. That's still censorship. It doesn't matter if you go, no, I didn't mess with your freedom to make phone calls. I just made it so that your phone can't call outside of your house. Yeah, that's the same thing. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Van Man. If you think Dr. Squatch is some small, wholesome company, or Burt's Bees or Native for that matter, think again. 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So if you're ready to ditch the corporate chemicals, go to vanman.shop slash Dave and use the promo code Dave for 15% off your order. That's vanman.shop slash Dave, promo code Dave for 15% off your first order. All right, let's get back into the show. But I've seen this dynamic quite a bit. It's really, it is kind of amusing in a way, but it's an important issue. So I think it's worth pointing out. But I know I've experienced this with myself personally. And then it's funny to me watching it happen with more high profile people. So I think this might've been an episode where I was going solo, Rob, that I brought this up recently. But so I found this and maybe I had seen it at the time, but I just didn't remember. But I saw recently, in the last few weeks, Anna Kasparian from The Young Turks. She was doing a segment on Sam Harris, and she had pulled together like a few clips of his. And one of them was him talking about me after the Douglas Murray debate. Now, I don't remember every single, you know, I do think we responded to Sam Harris responding to the Douglas Murray debate at one point, but I don't remember this clip. But so there's this clip of Sam Harris, and he goes, he's talking about the Douglas Murray debate. and he goes now look Douglas Murray was phenomenal he was just incredible he destroyed the debate I couldn't have done as good a job as him he tore Dave apart you know this is his and then he goes but you know you go look at the YouTube comments and it's not 90 percent in favor of Dave it's a hundred percent in favor of Dave there's literally his words on the thing and so his conclusion from this was that's why it's not even worth it to debate these people because look even when you destroy them. The entire crowd seems to have the idea that they destroyed you. It was just crazy to hear him say it like that. His words were 100% of the people, which is probably a little bit of an exaggeration, but not that much. Anyway, so I had this experience where last week I did the Piers Morgan show and I debated Will Chamberlain and it was a Buckley Carlson me and Will Chamberlain on a panel and then of course Will's just so full of shit that it becomes Pierce against him too and Pierce is like but the last thing you said makes absolutely no sense you know and anyway it could not have been this thing here could not have been more one-sided I left it after we recorded it I'm just like, Jesus, I mean, Will just took a beating. Then it comes out the next day. And I do, as I, as I tend to do, I like to look at the comments during, after debates. Typically, that's when I look in the comment section is after a debate, because after all, Rob, that's the point of a debate. The point of a debate is we're trying to move the audience. We, you rarely go into a debate trying to actually convince the person you're debating. Sometimes that's an element of it too. maybe you're you know you really think you're going to persuade them entirely but you might sometimes be like maybe i'll give them a little nugget that'll you know fester around in their head for a little bit that they'll think of but the reason we do it not as a private phone conversation but on a show in front of people is because you're trying to persuade the audience now that's not to be confused with saying that however the audience feels about a debate is correct i've i've seen debates where i thought one guy won but much of the audience seemed to think the other guy won. It's like that happens. But the goal is to attempt to persuade them. So I check in on the YouTube comments on this Pierce Morgan appearance, and it is 100%. I mean, just all of the comments are like, oh my God, Will just got embarrassed. He's such a, you know, this guy's such a shill, blah, blah, blah. Just nothing but in our favor against him. And then Mark Levin posts on Twitter, posts the debate and goes, phenomenal job here by Will Chamberlain. And there's just something about this where every single, like every single time that any of them have a meeting, we've covered this for years now on the show, Rob, they're talking about how we're bleeding support. You know, the anti-Semitism and anti-Israel feeling is everywhere. It's catching on like wildfire. You know, but then they still have to pretend that they did a great job in that last debate every single month, even if the crap like listen, man, if I go in, even if let's say there's an issue that I am correct on and I believe I'm giving very compelling arguments for. But if I go do a debate and 100% of the audience thinks that I lost the debate and not just lost it, but like got humiliated, got blown out, then I did a poor job. It doesn't necessarily prove that I'm wrong, but it certainly proves that I didn't do a good job because the whole point is to try to move the audience. Yet they've got to celebrate at every single turn that you got destroyed. You did do a great job. I just recently had someone, some channel like clipped the debate from months ago of me and Tatum. What's his name? I forget his first name. The Officer Tatum guy. I just annihilated this guy. But they put a clip together, which only him talking and none of me in it. And they go, remember that time when Tatum destroyed Dave's. So like they try to pretend that they win each debate. And then they get back to their meeting and they go, why are we losing so bad? out there. Anyway, the exact same thing just happened with Tucker Carlson's New York Times interview. It's unbelievable, dude. The interview itself has like a million views. I go, I was going, I look at the YouTube comment section. This is the New York Times channel, all for Tucker Carlson, 100%. Oh my God, he just destroyed this lady, which he did. She was terrible. He just, But Mark Levin and all the usual suspects are out there pretending that he got exposed in this interview or something like that. And anyway, it's just like when you're playing this game, you know, like Mark Levin's out there going like, great job, Will Chamberlain. It's like, yeah, you better be pushing for tech censorship along with that motherfucker. because this is your strategy is to just try to convince everyone that, oh, look, this guy just totally won the debate and then whine about how no one agrees with you. If you notice, Rob, every time me and you talk about this, we're talking about how we won the debate, how we won the conversation, how the American people are on our side. Every time they're talking about it, they're talking about how everyone's being poisoned against Israel. They may blame people. It's it's Qatari influence. It's Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens. But there's a you know what I'm saying? Like even in their narrative, there's a thing that has turned all of the people against our cause. They can't ignore it. And it's fascinating that for as much as the way you and I approach this is we're going to be honest. And if that finds an audience, great. And if not, we're being honest. That's kind of what we've done for 10 years. and uh you can go look at my own personal channels i stick to that it doesn't matter how many people follow it i'm doing what i want to do and that's kind of my approach but uh it's interesting for some of these other massive businesses like the daily wire who's got to do their rollback or what happened to cnn you know what during the biden administration is that a lot of these people really can't complete compete in this new environment where other people are being honest uh and if you're trying to tune in for these shows and you want actual information and there's a marketplace of the internet where people can be honest to you. And then there's legacy networks that have agenda. And at some point you realize, oh, these people are just serving up an agenda to me. Uh, people stop listening and without the censorship to kind of protect the business interests of the liars. Yeah. At some point they just lose to the people who are being honest. Yep. That's right. And look, and in the same way that, um, you know, when people would say like Hill, uh, people would say Kamala Harris made a big mistake by not going on Joe Rogan show, but actually they're wrong. It was wise of her to not go on. She had a bet. If I was, if I had no soul and no sense of morality, and I was just working to get Kamala Harris elected, I would have also not done Rogan better off not doing it and rolling the dice than doing it. Nothing good could have come out of her appearance on Joe Rogan. Cause she's not, it's not even like she's incapable of even just being charming. Like even if, if, if it didn't get contentious or he didn't nail her on anything. Just seeing her personality for three hours would have been enough to turn more people off. Same thing with Hillary Clinton. They used to say, you know, the problem was she didn't visit Wisconsin and Michigan enough. You know, no, there was a reason why she didn't visit. Her numbers went down after she visited. So she did, you know, and in the same way, it's really, it's really actually very sad when you think about it. But guys like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin are refusing to even engage in the debate. And actually, that's their best. That's the best course of action. Things would be going even worse for them. Believe me, if Ben Shapiro had come and debated me, it wouldn't have improved the situation for him. It would be the same situation with one highlight reel of like things that he couldn't answer. And, you know, but so that's where they're at. They're they're sitting here talking about how bad they're losing this war. And when I say the war, not I don't mean the the kinetic war. I mean, the propaganda war. They're losing that and then convincing themselves that they want that they're winning. And they actually have far superior arguments to everyone else. It's a real problem, man. It's like this level of denial and delusion is what is at the heart of a lot of human failure. You know, like if you're if you open a diner, Rob, and you're just completely convinced that you have the best food, you know, in town, but 100 percent of people who eat there never want to eat there again. That's an issue. And for you to just sit there and go, well, I don't care. The food's really great. So we're going to keep serving the same thing. Eventually, you got a real problem on your hands and they know this. I wanted to play this because there were some good clips from this Ben Shapiro speech here. Let's go to – it's the second one I sent, Natalie, Ben Shapiro whining about anti-Semitism. Here's Ben Shapiro. He's speaking at a Chabab synagogue talking about anti-Semitism. First of all, there's certainly a lot of truth to the idea that left-wing teachers are indoctrinating kids into a viewpoint on the world that does cross paths into what causes the symptom that is Jew hatred I think that for sure true Honestly I think that the bigger danger when I look at young people right now is social media. Social media is a cesspool. I mean, if you spent any time on X at all over the course of the last couple of years, it is unusable, truly unusable. I mean, just a vile stream of trash. And I think that was true of TikTok as well. I mean, what do we do? I mean, And I think that you only do what you can, meaning that I don't control the algorithms. Hopefully somebody who's more responsible now will help control the algorithms. I'm glad that TikTok was taken away from China. I'm not sure how much algorithmic control is given to the new owners. That's sort of the big question. I think that Elon should obviously boot the bots from his algorithm, because I think a lot of this is foreign bot driven, frankly. And I think the algorithm creates extraordinary virality. Yes, there's money being used, 100%. extraordinary reality is being driven for my, for, for unknown accounts. You can see it in your recommendations. I remember at one point I actually reached out to Elon's people directly about this. So yes, I agree with you that, that young people are being faced with a plethora of bad information. Well, you know, again, you'd think if people are, if young people are being faced with this plethora of bad information, I always thought then the old school Ben Shapiro model would be to go make your counter arguments. You know, see, the thing is here, it's like, again, Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, like I've made this point about them before. Right, Rob? They'll they'll attack all of us. But if you notice, they don't attack us in the way we attack them. Like there's there's certain asymmetries here. Right. where, first of all, you'll see that I challenge them to debates. That's a difference between the way they approach it and the way we approach it. And then number two, like, we will play a clip of theirs and go through what they're saying and take on their arguments. As I've made the point before, they won't even do that. They won't even debate me when I'm not in the room with them. Like, they won't even go through a clip of ours and take on our arguments and show why they're all wrong. what they'll do is name call and it's like so you're sitting here going oh young people are getting all this bad information and your answer rather than you being ben shapiro like you got a real good antidote to this look if ben shapiro were to debate me even just me i'm probably the smallest name on this list but if you were to debate me that would be huge it'd be millions and millions of views no matter what platform we did it on and the bigger the platform just the bigger it would be. It would be a huge show. If he were to beat Candace or Fuentes or Tucker Carlson, my God, this thing would be enormous. He could get, you know what I'm saying? Like he has the opportunity to counter this bad information that he's alluding to, but he doesn't. And he just sits back and calls them names. And then we're supposed to sit there and wonder why Ben Shapiro is having mass layoffs while he's bleeding YouTube subscribers. As you pointed out, Rob, in this new game, this doesn't work. And so instead, it's such a weird admission to go. And that's why I'm reaching out to Elon Musk to control these algorithms. Okay. And what do you mean? The bots? Like people just like, like, look, as I've said to you before, Rob, I think there are a lot of bots on Twitter. I'd be fine with getting rid of all the bots. None of us want bots on Twitter, But also, we all know what Ben Shapiro is talking about because that's why he's happy that China doesn't have TikTok anymore. Well, didn't he just admit it? We were talking about Jew hatred here. He's mad that people can hear the other side of the argument, the pro-Israel argument. That's the whole beef here is that you can't win the argument. You're too afraid to even have the argument. And so you'll fall back on censorship. isn't it amazing that uh during the woke years and there was an issue that uh ben shapiro was right about the internet loved him and now there's something that he's wrong on and everyone hates him and he doesn't get as much of an audience that almost sounds like uh capitalism working pretty well that if you're in the realm of uh uh dissecting ideas truth and information when you get it right you find a bigger audience and when you get it wrong uh you suddenly start people start losing interest in you actually sounds like the system's kind of working here Yeah, I also look, I'm not going to say, look, I certainly I won't say Twitter is unusable, as Ben Shapiro says. I also, to be fair and honest, I wouldn't say Twitter in 2020 was unusable because I used it. I was using it during the time. And I would certainly this is me like genuinely trying to be charitable here. If I'm being completely honest, yeah, Rob, look, there's a lot of shit on Twitter. it's messy you know and and i'm sure there are bots as well but part of that is also just that like you get to hear from people now and we all take a lot of uh abuse you know there's people talking wild shit in all of my my comments i don't know who's bots and who's real um but listen i get called every name under the sun like also whatever what i'm 43 what am i gonna whine about being called names, like who cares? But I will say there is something where it's like Ben Shapiro is finally taking some of a beating on social media and he's going, oh, it's unusable now. And I think the point is that, yeah, us, the real dissidents, we were always taking abuse, dude. Like you just didn't care when it was directed at us. You didn't care when we were just being called Nazis because we didn't want to take an experimental vaccine. No, at that time, Ben Shapiro was going to take the vaccine. Dopes. You were joining in with the mob and beating up on all of us. You didn't care. You know how much of a beating I took on Twitter over opposing the war in Ukraine and the U.S. bankrolling of the war over opposing lockdowns over over opposing wokeism in the Libertarian Party. I got called a Nazi every day for all this shit. So, like, I don't know. Like, listen, that's always been part of the game. Ben Shapiro branded himself as the facts don't care about your feelings internet guy who went out and debated people and was like gave it to the old legacy media or something like that. Like I'm not the liberal media. I'm this new right wing hardcore thing. And now he's sitting there crying about how Twitter is unusable. Like Ben Shapiro, maybe you would be more comfortable in a safe space at CNN. Maybe you shouldn't be out here in the internet, bro. Like, I don't know, you're scared to debate. You're, you're afraid of, of trolls online. Well then what can I say? You know, I, uh, I would, I would plea with, uh, Elon Musk that I wish the algorithm actually showed me more of the content that I like to see. Um, and that I do find that it used to be a better news aggregator for me and i could go into my feed and just very specifically mostly see content from the people i was following and even grab a lot of clips for the show and now i find i i think this is where the algorithm is working is that it feeds me like clickbaity bullshit and sometimes i get suckered by it and i'm like oh i'm gonna watch this stupid video and then it goes oh look he watched this stupid video and it feeds me a lot and then i'm just scrolling for too much time like all right i've got nothing of substance here i i gotta move on with my day but there's no part of me that thinks that twitter needs to be uh censored or that other people's content shouldn't be allowed to be there um and i i think the censorship is more in the content removal like than it is or or the shadow banning so i agree with him like uh elon musk's twitter to me my personal usage of it it's not as helpful of a tool and they feed me a lot more shit that i have zero interest in But I mean, that's a lot different than calling for censorship, which is what I mean. There was a forced government buyout of TikTok, which was seemingly because Israel did not like that. There was so much honest coverage and so many videos of what was going on in Gaza. And so they got their. What was it? Larry Ellison or Larry Fink? I think it was Ellison, right? Ellison, who's got ties to the CIA, who also did uh um did the big backing of uh what's her name's failed media venture now the the buyout of was abc or whatever it is yeah yeah yeah i mean basically you're looking at a major foreign influence campaign uh to get more favorable coverage for israel like i mean that's a that's foreign influence the united states of america forced by the united states government and that's what you're praising here and what you're really calling for is hey we need more government censorship because too many people are losing the argument here. Too many people are learning about what's actually happening and they don't like me lying. 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Did you see, by the way, it's just because you mentioned it there and I don't know that we've talked about it yet, but yes, CBS is just plummeting, dude. Of course. In the polls, which is like, yeah, talk about the easiest, most predictable failure. What a waste of money the whole thing was. It's like, you're going to buy up. Essentially, you're buying the brand name and the brand name is something no one trusts or likes anyway. And then you're coming in to buy that with clear what is clearly like in effort to improve the PR of a foreign country is like, really? You think people You think this is what people are craving? Good luck. Well, it's amazing. I mean, their failure is almost just incredible because I would like to believe if you gave me $120 million budget and told me to produce propaganda, I would be able to create effective propaganda. The idea that you could have that much money and you can create interesting things or get people get people to tune in, you know, just I mean, with 120, $20 million, just make 80 percent of the information relevant and interesting actually do good journalism do like uh do the special interest stories that people will turn into get the celebrities on and just don't cover israel as often and when you do give it favorable coverage dude not that my skill set is necessarily that i'd be the best at running a news network but dude if you gave me that type of budget i'd put together a badass fucking news network because i just know all the right people to hire and oh my God, dude, I'd just be. Yeah. But look again, this this goes to the asymmetry where like none of us were like calling for that to be shut down. Like, OK, go ahead. You guys get CBS. You guys can get whatever 100 million dollar budget you want. Just let us speak to all. All I ask is like, like I understood and I understood this a long time ago, at least 15 years ago that I understood because of my politics and my comedy, you know, from like Legion of Skanks and my politics, I was like, I know that I'm never going to work for a corporation. Like I know that I'm never getting Saturday Night Live or The Tonight Show or whatever, you know, or a HBO comedy special or like this was the dynamic. It's like, and fine. That's fine. Cause who the fuck gives a shit? It's a new world. You know what I mean? Like I'm not trying to be Jay Leno. I want to be Joe Rogan, you know, like, you like that. Not that I want to be either of those guys, but like, I know which one of those is cooler. It was definitely Joe Rogan. And so like what we, it all became like, yeah, whatever. I don't care. Like you guys can have your big corporate structures. That's fine. You can, you can also have your podcast and your social media accounts. Just let us have our free speech on the internet. And it's all the ask has ever been. And like, I particularly for people like Ben Shapiro, it's like the level of hypocrisy for him to now be essentially. Look, he's not saying it as blatantly as Mark Levin is, but he's saying the exact same thing, dude, which is that we got to shut this shit down because the rise of Jew hatred or whatever. And, you know, I got to say, I don't know, Rob. like are there people who really are jew haters undeniably uh i think there i i have seen for sure a rise in in all types of uh hostility toward jewish people in general not just israel but the jews and i've pushed back on that many times i don't think that's the correct way to look at things and i think that can veer into like some ugly territory as it always can anytime if you're ever making regular people the, you know, the focus of your ire. I never think that's right. But I mean, if we're just being honest here, there's also this humongous wave, which I think we represent part of, not that it's all us, but that we're a part of, of like people who are just really critical of Israel and the Israeli influence over our government and aren't saying any of that ugly shit or aren't saying anything about Jews or blaming some random Jewish guy or holding, you know, the diaspora accountable for the lobby and the government. There's a ton of that too. And they know they can't take on any of that shit. So what can you say here? Let's play the other Ben Shapiro clip because I thought this one was interesting as well. If you had told most people on October 8th that three years later, Israel would have effectively destroyed Hezbollah's offensive capacity, turned Hamas into a vestige of its former self, destroyed the Iranian forward capacity, and would be sitting on the other side of Mount Hermon in Syria, I think that a lot of people would have thought that that was crazy. Now, I will say that I did say that that was going to happen. Within the first week after October 7th, I was literally telling people, I think October 9th, I was telling family members that one day October 7th would be a Jewish holiday. Because every Jewish holiday starts with something horrible happening. And every Jewish holiday, like truly horrible. And we always forget about that when we're eating, right? But like every Jewish holiday starts with something truly awful, like historically horrific happening to the Jews. And then by the end, they're doing well. And so I figured that the end of it would be the drawing together of Israel in a way that, from a spiritual perspective, I think God has a way of clocking the Jews back together if they seek to divide one another. So I have to say, I was with you on that. I also sounded a bit crazy, but I completely agree. I said at the time that this whole story is going to end with us touring Iran and Lebanon and all these countries. And it might take a little bit longer than I would have liked or anticipated. but it's coming. It's coming. Yeah, man. Like, if you don't want to see a rise. No one's coming to that voice. Sorry. I could have not. Like, is there, I don't know, Rob, if you don't want to see a rise in anti-Jew hatred, like, is there anything worse you could do than this? And by the way, forget even, like, I don't even understand what point he's trying to make. Like, I mean, October 7th is going to be a Jewish holiday. Like I understand his point about how a lot of Jewish holidays have to do with past suffering But like we didn like on Passover you don just celebrate the day that the Pharaoh enslaved the Jews right Well, you're kind of celebrating the part where Moses leads them out and God passes over the Jews. I thought, I don't know. I'm not a religious expert. I thought that was the idea of the holiday. I didn't think you're just like, like, why would October 7th be the holiday? Wouldn't it be the, Yeah. But there is this very like, first of all, I think any time you're discussing American politics, but then you go back to like your religious sect and your religious sect is 2% of the population. And then you're talking about how you view this through a religious angle where God is like taking care of you. I think, number one, that's a really good way to lose people, particularly when it's not the majority religion of the country. It's not even like Mike Huckabee saying like Christians ought to believe this. But I mean, Rob, if you just read between the context there, there really is a gross admission. You know, Ben Shapiro is sitting here saying that it's like what they always have to do. Like it's like the Trump, like we won, we've won a tremendous victory and we're going to hit him harder than ever. They're like, wait, what? Ben Shapiro is saying, hey, we've destroyed Hezbollah's offensive capabilities. We've destroyed Hamas's capabilities. We've destroyed the IRGC's forward capabilities. Like, oh, okay. So then there should be no more war then, right? So are all the wars over? Oh, no, you can't stop fighting wars. I mean, literally, Israel wrapped up, barely wrapped up the destruction of Gaza. And within a few months, they're at war with Iran and Lebanon. And they're saying Turkey's next. Like, you know, they already destroyed Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi and Bashar al-Assad. They've taken out all their regional enemies. They still got more wars that they want to take on. And he's sitting here saying that actually October 7th was really great because we'll be touring Tehran and Lebanon. In other words, we're going to take over these other areas. They gave us the excuse. to take over all these other areas. Look, look how much territory in Syria we've already taken. I mean, when it comes down to this, and this is part of the reason why Ben Shapiro will never debate anyone, what he's supposed to come debate that greater Israel is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory as he brags about this. I don't know, Rob. Doesn't seem to me like this is helping anybody. Yeah, I mean, this is basically verbalizing never let a tragedy go to waste. uh but basically what you're you're i don't know that i want to use the word celebrating but you're going look we had our opportunity to play the victim card while being aggressive and we get to continue doing so so what what a gift i mean i know that it looked like a uh the most horrific thing that could have ever happened at the time but we were really able to take advantage of this and be very aggressive um while playing the victims which is uh what we're good at and so look at us we were able to we're able to work our strategy yeah and like you know much like uh when when um benjamin netanyahu uh said i believe it was on september 11th he said that this was a great thing he corrected himself afterward but his first reaction was to say oh this is really great because now america will have the stomach to do what needs to be done and he was testifying before congress a few days later. And what do you think needed to be done, Rob? Well, he testified it's not just about the terrorists. It's about the states that protect them. And this became the Bush doctrine very quickly. It was like right out of Tel Aviv, you know, and this became the doctrine that it's the states who harbor them. And who are those states? All of the states that give Israel trouble. That's including the two that we're fighting wars with right now. Even Dick Cheney was smart enough to go in 9-11 was great because it finally gave us the ability to go after all these terrorists. Yes, because the thing about how insulting that is to everybody who lost a loved one on 9-11. Well, same thing with the people who lost loved ones on October 7th. Insulting it is to say this shit. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Massa Chips. Everybody is talking about these chips. They're delicious and they don't have that crap that most chips at the supermarket have. 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And these guys really are really something. It starts with the Zionist mouthpiece, which is a good intro for Mark Levin. Congress does, but we have part of Congress, a Democrat party that is embracing this movement. Mondami in New York City. What a disgrace and a disaster. We've got Dearborn, Michigan. We've got Patterson, New Jersey. I can go through 20, 30, 40 different cities. You have this group CARE. How do they get to operate freely the way they do? We know what CARE is all about. You have other countries that have noted it's a terrorist organization. They've labeled it as such. It's part of the Democrat Party constituency. You listen to Bernie Sanders, a Marxist, the things that he says. Talib and Omar and AOC, the things that they say. This guy, Hassan Piker, celebrating 9-11. Do you know September's the 25th anniversary of 9-11? Does anybody care anymore? Does anybody care about World War II and the Holocaust anymore? We're supposed to hate Israel. Hate Netanyahu. The Jews got us in this war with Iran. The president has said over and over again, BS. I make the decisions as president of the United States, but the drumbeat goes on and on and on. People are going to get hurt more than already have been hurt, and people are going to get killed. We're going to turn into Europe, and Europe is turning into the third world. Look, if you don't talk about it, you don't recognize it, if you hide from the facts, you can't deal with it. That's the truth. that's the truth. Yeah. Well, in the spirit of not hiding, come on, Mark. Come have a conversation, dude. Like, come on the podcast. I promise I won't be rude to you. I'll make it great. Not one insult, not one interruption. Come on. You don't want to hide. Let's talk. You know, you're blaming the left for all these things. It's like, I don't know, man. you know who put mom donnie into power new yorkers i think 40 percent of jews voted for him rob whatever he he won off it here's the thing dude you can't win office in new york just like you can't win office in tel aviv without some jewish support you know so like i don't know let's let you know the bottom line here is that mark levin is saying look there's these horrible ideas being put out there. They shouldn't be allowed to put them out. That's what this all is. It's like, well, then why can't you take them on? If the ideas are so horrible, I don't know. Don't you have superior ideas? The thing is, Rob, they have this thing, and I've seen Mark Levin talk about this elsewhere as well, but they really do look at it like, they go, look, man, from their perspective, They say, look, we could topple Iran. The problem is that we don't have the will to do it. And therefore, the real reason we're losing this war is because of all you people who are against the war. and there is some truth to that circular as it may be but you know sometimes there's truth to circular things and like it is kind of true in a way we're like if we let's just say there was the political will to win this war the same way there was the political will to win world war ii right and we were like hey we're invading around we're starting we're gonna have a military draft we're sending the 82nd Airborne in we're doing straight up Normandy but in Tehran I have no doubt that we could overthrow the country and we could install whatever government we wanted to again it would come with a price tag much like World War II and Vietnam and Korea this would be a war where we'd risk losing tens of thousands to maybe even hundreds of thousands of Americans and it would cost trillions of dollars but we could do that if we had the political will for it but we don't okay but then the next question rob is why should we like why should we have the political will for that i mean yes that that is the whole point is that we don't want to do this anymore the american people are supposed to get a say too right they never actually do but that is the way the system you know that little book that you always brag about that. Yeah, well, it was supposed to be laying out self-government, meaning the people have some say in how their government behaves. And the bottom line is that nobody has the political will to go do that for one very simple reason, which is that we don't believe you. We don't believe you. If people believed that Iran posed this huge existential threat, then they'd be willing to do that. We would have the political will, but we know that you just want to overthrow this government on behalf of Israel's territorial ambitions. And why the fuck should any of us sacrifice a nickel for that? It makes no sense. So yes, the reason why the Democratic Party is starting to look more like a party with some people, as he started, I don't even know what mayors he's referring to in Camden or in this place or whatever, but the reason why more mayors are popping up who are maybe critical of Israel is because like 80% of the Democratic voters don't like Israel. The reason why you're having major problems with the Trump administration, the reason why Donald Trump is not at 52% approval rating and instead is at 32% approval rating is because a whole lot of the people who voted for Donald Trump really liked it when he said no new wars. And this was kind of a deal breaker for a lot of us. so what can you say it's almost like uh and being so dishonest you're giving an avenue for socialists to win in government and uh i on the topic of uh well there's just not enough will for i i firstly it's what you said it's not that there isn't will it's that people have actually wisened up to the lies and government propaganda when it comes to wars and we're realizing that these are not in our interest and they're not worth doing but as a theoretical let's say that this war was winnable if there was the will for it and there isn't the will for it, then you're making a bad decision of going into the war. It's almost like if I was like a financial planner and you said, Hey, I only want to be in conservative assets. And then I put you in an incredibly volatile stock. And the first time I took a dip, I called you up and I said, Hey man, you got to pull me out of this thing. And so I lost 30%. And then three years later, it's Bitcoin or whatever. Well, you put me in the wrong stock because I didn't have the stones to be in that thing. And I wasn't going to capture the gains. And so in this case, if you don't actually, if at the beginning of a war, you know, oh, we don't have the will for a ground invasion. So we can't actually win this thing. All we can do is flirt with the disaster and make a bigger mess. Well, then you made a bad decision, taking the country into a war that you weren't going to actually follow through with. That's right. No, dude. It's like, it feels like to me at this point, it's like you got these war hawks, right? And they're like, um, they've got their hubris and their theories. And my God, if you want to read about it, they had theories about the war in Iraq. David Wormser actually believed that if you installed a Hashemite in Iraq, then the Hashemite would be able to tell the Iranians that they got to stop being friends with Hezbollah and listen to Turkey instead. And they thought that would, you know, like they've got their plans. None of it worked out. It's totally ridiculous. But it's almost like they're a gamble-holic. Like they're asking you to borrow money so they can gamble. They're like, can we just have a couple hundred bucks? We're going to put it all on the war in Iraq and it's going to hit big. And then they put it on the war in Iraq. They lose everything. And they're like, dude, I need to get my money back. Can you just lend me a little bit of money so I can put it on Libya? And then I can put it on Syria. And they've just lost all this money. And then they're asking for a little bit more money for Iran. And you're like, no, no, we're not giving it. The American people are not lending you any more money for this. And then they're going, but then you're the reason why we lost. We could have just won. But the problem is like, if we give you this one, you'll just want another one and another one. It'll keep getting worse and worse. You know, I said to Will Chamberlain on Pierce Morgan the other day, where he said at one point there, because Pierce brought up that he had tweeted two weeks ago or something, that we're getting the enriched uranium after Trump had announced the deal had been made. And it's like, hey, that didn't age very well. Turned out there was no deal. Donald Trump was just making it up. And he's like, I still believe we're getting the enriched uranium. And then at some point he said that we're putting so much pressure on the regime that he would be shocked if they were still standing in a month. And then I just said, hey, OK, well, so let's talk again in a month when the regime is still standing and then you can move the goalpost to something else and still support the war because that's what's going to happen. guaranteed where this was last week. So we got three weeks, the three more weeks until I can bring this up again, which I will. Um, but, uh, you know, but like, so this is what they do. And then I made the point, I go, you guys will just always move the goalposts. You'll move the goalposts for 20 years. I watched him do it in Afghanistan. You just keep moving the goalposts. And he went, yeah, but this isn't 20 years. This has only been a couple months. And I'm like, yeah, But, you know, that's the whole point, right? Afghanistan was only a couple months, a couple of months in, and they kept making excuses. So it's just like, yeah, dude, we're not giving you any more political will. We're not listening to any more of your bullshit. You're too much of a fucking pussy to come even debate your ideas against any of us, any one of us. You pick. You know, like it's not when I say Ben Shapiro is afraid to debate me or Mark Levin is afraid to debate me or something like that. I'll shut the fuck up forever if they debate Glenn Greenwald. I don't care if it's me. They can debate Scott Horton, debate Glenn Greenwald, debate Tucker Carlson. I don't care. I'll shut up if they do any one of these. But they won't do a single one because they're terrified. And we're supposed to just keep giving you our blood and treasure. Like, get the fuck out of here. And that's why they're coming for censorship. That's why censorship is what's up next. But I think this should be the battle cry. Like, this should be the one that we all put our foot down on. And they're not going to be able to do it if we see it coming. and there's just mass resistance to it. All right, we're going to wrap up there. 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