Bill Engvall on the Healing Power of Humor and How Comedy Saved Me Through Life's Challenges-Encore Episode
38 min
•May 11, 202620 days agoSummary
Bill Engvall discusses his comeback from retirement and the transformative power of comedy as a healing force. He reflects on how his iconic 'Here's Your Sign' catchphrase became a cultural phenomenon, the success of the Blue Collar Comedy Tour, and his personal journey overcoming alcoholism through recognizing comedy as his life's purpose.
Insights
- Authentic relatability drives cultural impact more than manufactured celebrity—audiences connect with comedians who remain genuine rather than attempting to be someone else
- Comedy serves a measurable therapeutic function comparable to medical intervention, with documented cases of laughter improving health outcomes and providing psychological relief during crises
- Catchphrases and viral moments cannot be engineered; they emerge organically from audience adoption, making audience intuition the ultimate arbiter of comedic success
- The transition from viewing comedy as transactional entertainment to recognizing it as purposeful healing work fundamentally changes performer motivation and career longevity
- Communal entertainment experiences in large venues create shared cultural touchstones that unite diverse audiences in ways individual consumption cannot replicate
Trends
Comedians increasingly positioning themselves as mental health and wellness advocates rather than pure entertainersNostalgia-driven touring model where established comedians blend classic material with new content rather than abandoning proven hitsAuthenticity and vulnerability in comedy becoming competitive advantages as audiences reject polished, manufactured personasComedy's role evolving from escapism to active coping mechanism during societal crises and political divisionCross-industry collaboration between comedy and music (music videos, country chart success) as distribution and monetization strategyMentorship and talent development within comedy community as legacy-building activity for established performersArena-scale comedy tours demonstrating that stand-up can achieve rock concert-level production and attendance metrics
Topics
Catchphrase Development and Viral Moments in ComedyBlue Collar Comedy Tour Cultural ImpactComedy as Therapeutic InterventionPerformer Burnout and Career SustainabilityAuthenticity vs. Manufactured CelebrityAlcoholism Recovery Through Purpose RecognitionCommunal Entertainment ExperiencesComedy Special Production and DistributionMentorship in Entertainment IndustryPolitical Neutrality in Comedy PerformanceMusic Video Collaboration StrategySitcom Production and Talent DevelopmentAudience Connection and RelatabilityComedy Tour Economics and Arena ScalingLegacy Building in Entertainment
Companies
CMT (Country Music Television)
Aired comedy music videos with country artists during the 1990s, including Bill Engvall's 'Here's Your Sign' video
HBO
Produced Willie Nelson's 60th birthday special where Engvall performed audience warm-up duties
TBS
Aired 'The Bill Engvall Show' sitcom where Jennifer Lawrence received her first television role
Mark Ridley's Comedy Castle
Comedy club in Royal Oak, Michigan where a cancer patient experienced transformative laughter experience
A&E
Hosted 'Private Sessions' music show where Kevin Costner sought to appear as a performer
People
Bill Engvall
Main guest discussing his comedy career, comeback from retirement, and healing power of laughter
Lynn Hoffman
Podcast host conducting interview with Bill Engvall about comedy and personal transformation
Jeff Foxworthy
Blue Collar Comedy Tour member; Engvall initially patterned his comedy style after Foxworthy's success
Ron White
Blue Collar Comedy Tour member who advised Engvall to return to his authentic comedic style
Larry the Cable Guy
Blue Collar Comedy Tour member; audiences dressed as his character at arena shows
Travis Tritt
Sang 'Here's Your Sign' song that drove album sales from 100 to 10,000 copies weekly
Joe Diffie
Toured with Engvall; record label prevented him from appearing in 'Here's Your Sign' novelty song
Jerry Seinfeld
Referenced for survey showing public speaking is the #1 fear, ahead of death
Kevin Costner
Met Engvall backstage at HBO event; later sought to appear on Hoffman's music show
Jennifer Lawrence
Received her first television role as Engvall's daughter on 'The Bill Engvall Show' sitcom
John Travolta
Met Engvall at airport; exchanged contact information during chance encounter
Rodney Dangerfield
Referenced for 'I don't get any respect' catchphrase and comedy's evolving cultural respect
Gail Engvall
Bill's wife; supported his recovery from alcoholism and career decisions
Bon Jovi
Dethroned Blue Collar Comedy Tour's Nashville arena 24-hour sellout record
Aerosmith
Referenced as example of established acts playing classic hits alongside new material
Quotes
"Comedy saved me. There's an art and a science to comedy, you know. And I don't think people understand that, how hard it is."
Bill Engvall•Opening
"I didn't cure her cancer, but what I did was for 75 minutes, I let her forget some of the most horrific news you could get."
Bill Engvall•Mid-episode
"I was so busy trying to be Jeff that I forgot to be me."
Bill Engvall•Mid-episode
"My job is to make you laugh. And if I can do that, then we've both achieved a goal."
Bill Engvall•Late episode
"He was a nice guy. I hope with all my heart that when people remember me, that it'll be in one phrase."
Bill Engvall•Closing
Full Transcript
Comedy saved me. There's an art and a science to comedy, you know. And I don't think people understand that, how hard it is. Although, Seinfeld once did a bit, he said that they did a survey of people's top five fears. And number two was death. Number one was speaking in public. I'm Lynn Hoffman and welcome to Comedy Saved Me, the show that explores the healing power of laughter and how it helps us all more than we sometimes even know. Our guest today knows something most of us forget. Laughter isn't just entertainment. It's literally survival. The man who gave us, here's your sign, didn't just create the catchphrase, he created a lifeline for millions of people who need to laugh their way through the absurdity of everyday life. From selling cars in Texas to selling out arenas, as a part of the legendary, I remember this so clearly, blue collar comedy tour was awesome. Bill Engvall is one of the biggest names in the business who's turned observational humor into cultural movement that reminded us that we're all in this together. Stupid signs at all. But here's the thing about Bill. Behind the laid back drawl and the every man persona is someone who deeply understands the transformative power of laughter. He's seen it heal marriages, men broken hearts and bring strangers together. He has lived it, breathed it and dedicated his life to it. And today we are so lucky on Comedy Saved Me to be talking about more than just the jokes. We're going to dive into why laughter matters, how comedy has shaped his journey and what happens when you dedicate your life to making the world a little lighter, one punchline at a time. With Bill Engvall next, right here on Comedy Saved Me. Bill Engvall, welcome to Comedy Saved Me. I'm so happy you are back in action and you decided to come out of retirement. This is such big news in the comedy world. Did you realize how big this was? Not at the time. When I am behind sight, what I should have done is just taken a break because I was burnout. And as we'll get into if I'm burnout then it doesn't reflect, you know, the show is not as good. And I knew when I caught myself watching Housewives of Salt Lake City it was trying to come out of retirement. Oh no, I better check myself then because that's sort of a staple. Thanks for warning me, I'm getting close to burnout. Oh, you're fine. Well, we're so glad you're back. Your sign bit sort of became a cultural phenomenon that brought millions of people together through laughter. In fact, I remember a little music video with Dwight Yocum in it, which was still hysterical. I had to revisit it again because it was so good. Can you take us back to the first time you saw how powerfully that joke connected with audiences and what it meant to you to have given so many people that shared language of humor? At first I should probably give you a small correction. I wouldn't Dwight Yocum, it was Travis Tritt that sang this song. And music? Sorry about that. No, listen, don't worry about it. It's funny that no, the short answer to that is I had no idea how big that was going to get. I mean, it basically became the where's the beef of the 90s. The thing with the catch phrase, whether it's here's your sign, whether it's you might be a redneck or get her done or whatever. You can't go into these thinking I'm going to write a catch phrase because you don't know whether that's going to be it or not. I get young comedians all the time asking me, how do I write a catch phrase? And I go, well, that's the deal. You don't, you write it, but it's up to the audience. And I remember the first time I heard someone say, here's your sign and they weren't directing it at me. In other words, like they didn't know I was within proximity of was I was in a grocery store. And the little girl that was checking everybody out, couldn't get something going on the catch register. And the manager came over and hit like one button and it looked at her and said, here's your sign. And I went, oh my God, I go, this is, it's something bigger than I, if it wasn't for here's your sign, we probably wouldn't be talking right now. You think so? We got so huge. And when Travis, an interesting story that when we, I released my first album, here's your sign. It was, all I had to compare to was Foxworthy and you might be a redneck. And of course he had hit the stratosphere with that. And so I thought when my manager, we had the same manager at the time. And I remember thinking, okay, he said, we're going to release the album. Here's your sign. Here we go. Let the roller coaster begin. And the first week the album came out, we sold a hundred copies across the country. That means we sold less than two a state. So I was like, wait a minute, this was, we're supposed to be getting big and getting our name known. And then we did the, the problem was on the album, the song wasn't on it. And so we released the video with the Travis Tritzing and the song. And it literally went from a hundred copies a week to 10,000 copies a week, which was incredible the power that that song had. Now that was back when CMT was allowing us to do little funny videos with country singers. They loved, the singers loved it and I loved it because it showed everybody a different side of these artists. That thing, a quick funny story about it. At the time I was on tour with Joe Diffie, who unfortunately we lost in just a great guy. But I went to him and I said, I was on tour with him and I said, Hey Joe, we're going to release a song as we're in a few sing it. And he goes, Oh yeah, man, I'd love to do that. He said, let me get clearance from the record label. And he went to the record label and said, they want to do this song. And they said, Oh Joe, you don't want to, you don't want to be part of a novelty song. You got a career going here. And so he said, they won't let me do it. And Travis Tritt did it. And it was number one for 15 weeks on the country charts, which was at the time, you know, other than Foxworthy was unheard of. And here we are. We were rolling and it's funny because it kind of became my in a comedic form of if like I remember the bye bye Miss American Pie. If I, I could do 90 minutes of killer comedy, but if I don't do the here's your sign, people walk out going, Oh, he didn't do here's your sign. So I have to kind of have to, I have to do it now. Yeah. I wonder you could probably do an entire set of just here's your sign, just like link all of them together. Right. Yeah. You would think so. But I think after a while people might get a little tired of that. I understand. I totally get it. And it's almost like a musician, you know, you've got to play the hits. Yeah. Well, that was one of the interesting things about coming out of retirement was I was kind of flipping out about, Oh man, I got to write a whole new 90 minutes set. And then the more I thought about it, I thought, no, you don't have to do it. Because like if you and I were going to go see Aerosmith on the way to the concert, not one of us is going to say, Oh, I hope they play all new stuff. Yeah. No, I can't believe you just said that though, because when I, when I was younger, I used to work at a radio station and Aerosmith was is still one of my all time favorite bands all time. I'm originally from Boston, so you kind of have to be an Aerosmith fan. But I used to say, man, they're putting out another album. Like can't they give room to somebody new to come in? And then I realized, no, they've, they've still got to make a living, make new things. Hey, hold on one second. I don't know how somebody just rang the doorbell. Hold on one second. Oh, go get it. Let's see who it is. Sorry. Who is it? Okay. Do you want to know who it is? Yes. Yes. It's the plant lady. The plant lady? She comes in and waters the plants and stuff when we're gone. Oh, that's so nice. So now she knows she thought you maybe weren't home. No, no, she knew this is her day to come. I just didn't pay attention to it. I love it. That's great. Last show I did the lawn doctor came. So I feel your pain about that. It's, it's so funny how as much as I'd like to be Hollywood and stuff like that, this is me. This is me, the doorbell ringing, the dogs barking. So, listen, don't, don't ever be Hollywood. It is, being you is just so refreshing. And it's like talking to a normal person. I try, I try to be normal, but you know, who seemed like the harder I tried. I finally realized that maybe sometimes I need to just step out of the way for a little bit, you know, let life happen and get out of your own way. Yeah. Get out of my own way. That's the, but yeah, back to what you were saying about Aerosmith. It was, I was kind of that same way. I was a huge rocker. A lot of people don't know that that I was. All right. Hit me with some of your favorite bands. Are we talking like Motley Crue? Are we talking Glamrock or Hard Rock, Heavy Metal? I was, I wasn't into Heavy Metal, but I was, I'm definitely a classic rocker, whether it's Aerosmith or whether it's Boston or whether it's, you know, and that's what's hard to accept sometimes is the songs I grew up with now are considered golden oldies, which is about me. I'm with you. I'm with you all on all of it. It's hard to imagine. It's probably my most weird band that people go, what? I was a huge Alan Parsons project fan. One of the best. Come on. Yeah. That's so cool. I love that. Yeah. It's interesting too now because all of these songs are coming back in commercials we see on TV now. That never happened when they were big. No, it's a matter of fact, you got labeled a sell out because, you know, then all of a sudden everybody went, oh, wait a minute, the Stones got a hundred million dollars for them to use. Yeah. And that only happened a few years ago. It was like in the early 2021 or 22 or something, like almost every major band from, you know, 1900 to today sold their back catalog. Yeah. It's crazy. Obviously to commercial companies. Let me ask you, since we were talking about this, the blue collar comedy tour, you helped to create this like communal experience that we were just talking to. And it was, it wasn't just a comedy club. Bill. There was arenas full of people that you were making laugh and share this experience. Is there, when you were there going through this at the moment, did you, what was it that you witnessed about this, this sort of healing unifying power of laughter when thousands of complete strangers could kind of join arms and do the same thing at the same time together? Well I think that was one of the keys to blue collar success was we were your neighbors. You know, we weren't, you know, it wasn't this kind of artificially created group, you know, like the monkeys or whoever. Jake. Jake. Is that puppy? Yeah. That's Jake. He, he's got a nice bark, but that's about all he's got. But so the thing back to, again, here we go, the, the normal life. And I remember we held the record for selling out the Nashville arena in 24 hours. And at that, you know, we were finally dethroned by Bon Jovi, which is two names that just don't go together, blue collar comedy tour and Bon Jovi. But it was, I remember we would get to the arena and I used to make a habit of this is I would walk, they usually had a center stage and everybody was around us. And I used to go before they opened the doors to the stage and I would just look around and go, this is insane. This is not stand up comedy. You know, stand up comedy. Like I said, it was the old brick wall in front of the, you know, microphone. And I remember one night, I forget where we were. We were somewhere in the Midwest. And for whatever reason, we had all come from different locales. And the promoter got four limousines, which was silly because we just rode together in the same car. But after the show, so we all had chartered planes because we were coming in from different areas. And after the show, the limousines pulled out of the arena and we went to this little regional airport. And there was the four jets lined up in a row and each limousine pulled off to a jet. And I remember standing on the steps of my plane looking at Jeff and I said, dude, this is as close to rock and roll as we're ever going to get. And the funny thing was we all could do, the deal was everybody did 20 minutes. And I don't care how good your set was, what people really, really tuned into and loved was at the end of the show, when we would come out on bar stools and we would all sit on each corner of the stage and we would just tell stories. And that was people's favorite part of the whole show was because I think what it did was it made us human. We were just four guys and I think if you were to ask the guys, they would all say that we were just four guys who were good at their craft. But we were all just taken back about how big this had gotten. I mean, there was blue collar dolls for God's sakes at one point. It's because you are authentic. People can tell. We didn't try to be somebody we weren't. It was just, you know, and we imagine being on the road with three of your best buds and you're selling out arenas and it's stupid money and people are, you know, people would dress up like Larry. At some point, I think all of us had kids that would dress up as we were. The cable guy? There's like an audience filled with people dressed up. I love that so much. It had an impact. It's like mash, you know. It was everybody watched it so everybody had the experience together. Everybody could talk about it together. And because you're pulling in these arenas of people, that's a large swath of people and they all talk to people and so on. And I think that we all really appreciate the fact that these were working class people. I mean, there was, we hit an audience that Hollywood had basically ignored. And I'll tell you one of my favorite stories to this day about how comedy has a healing faction to it. I was, years ago, I was at Mark Ridley's Comedy Castle in Detroit, Royal Oak, Michigan, just outside of Detroit. I found this out later on, but a lady had come to the show and she said, she wrote a letter to the club owner and she said, I don't know. I don't remember his name, but he was the last one on the show and that would have been me. She said, please tell him he cures cancer. And what happened was she had gotten diagnosed with terminal cancer and she said, I had to make a choice. I could either wallow in this or I could just go on with my life. She goes, I went to the show, I laughed for 75 minutes. She went back to the doctor the next day and they told her she'd been misdiagnosed. I have goosebumps all over. Hey, listen, I didn't cure her cancer, but what I did was for 75 minutes, I let her forget some of the most horrific knows you could get. And she said, tell him I said, thank you. And it was just like, I'll never forget that as long as I lived it. And that's what I try to tell young comedians is you never, you always got to do your show, whether it's five, 50 people or whether it's 5,000 people. You don't know who's in that audience and how you're going to affect their lives. And when I finally realized the power that comedy has, it was like the world, the comedic world opened up to me. And I realized I didn't, I didn't have to try to be somebody I'm not. I could just do be Bill. And that was good enough. Wow, that's pretty powerful stuff, Bill. Yeah, yeah, that was my point. Wow. We'll be right back with more of the Comedy Saved Me podcast. Welcome back to the Comedy Saved Me podcast. You've talked about growing up in Texas and finding your voice in comedy. Was there a specific moment like an epiphany you had where laughter either making others laugh or comedy itself for you literally saved you your life? Oh, yeah. Or helped you get through something difficult? I think if we're being brutally honest here, when I was in the club circuit, you know, it was, I loved the club circuit. I had a blast doing it. But I had a dark side. I started drinking and it wasn't because I wanted to drink. It was because you're trying to kill the pain of being away from your home, being away from the babies, my wife. And I think the defining moment for me was when I used to go and I would drink at the club because they gave free drinks. And I remember I would go back to the hotel room and I knew I had to call Gail, my wife, and I would be looking at the phone going, she's going to know. She's going to know. And sure enough, I would say, hey, and she goes, call me back tomorrow. When you're sober. When you're sober. And I could have lost everything. Her, the kids, my career. And thank God. I do thank God for that because I did. I was too dumb to see what was happening. And then I finally just, I was lucky enough to be one of those people that could say, OK, I'm going to stop, you know, because there's bigger things than me at work here. So and back to the retirement thing. I think that's what brought me out of it was I figured that God had given me this gift to be able to make people laugh. And who am I to say, no, that's not what I want to do. I had to kind of turn my life over to him. And thank God I did, literally, because it was it's what made me realize you have a goal. I know now what my purpose on this earth is. And it's to make people feel that. I always say in interviews, I always hope that people leave my show feeling better about themselves than when they got there. And you can do that. It's amazing. Not only what it does for them, but what it did for me, you know, I love making people laugh and I love the fact that people will they had a hundred other ways they could have spent their money, but they decided to come see my show. And it's my job to deliver. What you just said was so huge. And how many years did you take off or when you were tired and you were a couple years was a couple years. And during that time, were you ever what when did it finally hit you that you needed to go like when did you realize who what your calling was? I mean, you would have think you've been doing this a long time, Bill. So to say just a couple of years ago was when you finally realized what your calling was. That's a big deal. Right. It was from being just a job to a passion. And and, you know, I love the I love when I always say, I know I've written a good joke when I see a husband or a wife kind of elbow each other and go, oh, yeah, that's you right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happens all the time. That's what made me was I got a funny story. One night we were doing blue collar and as after the show and Ron and I went down, we were staying the night. And so we went down to the bar and I've known Ron since he went up on open mic night. And we were sitting at the bar. I had was I tried so many different things. I mean, I tried the rock and roll opening with the music and the lights and all that. And Ron White of all people said, you know, Bill, I remember today I'd go up on stage and I just got the room. And then they'd introduce you and you'd come up there with that slow draw. And within three minutes, it was Ron who and I realized that Ron White of all people showed me that go back to who you were. I was so and this is on and I've told Jeff this. I was so busy trying to be Jeff that I forgot to be me. Wow. That's a great compliment to Jeff Foxworthy because, you know, he was who I patterned was he was all I had to judge by. It's the highest form of flattery. It's thank God it all worked out the way it's supposed to because it's it's, you know, I'm having fun again. And, you know, like when I do my show now, there'll be some new stuff. But then, you know, like that we talked about earlier. Then I'll do some of the old classics. And you forget that sometimes there's people in the audience who may not have heard that bit, you know, whether it's, you know, like I said, I've been doing I've been doing this for almost 45 years. And you're just turning 40 now. I wish I was just turning 40. I'll be I'm on the south side getting close to 70. Get out of here. You know who you remind me of? You always have kind of reminded me of tell me that people haven't told you this before. But a certain lead character in a show called Yellowstone. Oh, yeah. Kevin Costner. I do get that. So I actually tried to get my agents and stuff to send him a letter saying, hey, you might want to look at this guy. Oh, yeah. Why not? That's a stand in or as a new character on the. But yeah, it was I get that quite a bit. I'll tell you a funny story about Kevin Costner. Well, years ago, I'll tell you how far back it was. HBO was doing a special on Willie Nelson's 60th birthday. And my job, I wasn't even on the show. My job was just to keep the audience up in between takes. You were audience fluffing. Basically, yeah, I was a fluffer for the audience. Yeah. Oh, OK. And sit right in front of me in the stage was Kevin Costner and Gary Busey. And Gary Busey was hammered. I mean, hammered and just not really the kind of audience you want to have. But Kevin Costner was laughing and hitting the table and stuff. And so we went backstage. So many came and they said, hey, Kevin Costner wants to meet you. And I said, great, I'd love to meet you. This is how far back this was. Dancers with wolves had just come out. OK. All right. And so Gale was with me and we're backstage. And I see Kevin Costner walking towards me and I see Gale walking towards me. And they haven't seen each other yet. And Gale was a if Gale was going to cheat on me, it would be with Kevin Costner. That's how to be fair. You do look alike. So maybe she could have made a mistake. It was dark. I would love to believe that. But the and so I see him and also I see my wife, see Kevin Costner and he's talking to me and saying, hey, I really enjoy your stuff. You're very funny. And I said, thank you very much, my big fan. And Gale was standing next to me. She hadn't said a word the whole time. And he grabbed her arm and pulled her into him and said, and you. Are such a good sport. And then he walked off and I looked at Gale and I said, why didn't you say something? She goes, because it would have come out. Oh, my God. He just he made her so nervous. I have to tell you, it's a very strange thing. I had a similar situation where I ran into Kevin Costner at an event because he has a band. Right. And he wanted to come on a show that I had. There was a music show on A&E years ago called Private Sessions. And he was like, I want to be on your show. He tells a friend and my friend says to me, come over here, motions me over where at some hotel somewhere. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to be one of those people. No, no, come here. Come here. He says, and I go over and I said, what's going on? He said, Lynn, this is Kevin. Kevin, this is Lynn. And next thing you know, Kevin has my cell phone and he's programming his manager's number in it to call so that he can be booked on my show. And I'm looking across and my husband's looking at me like, why does he have your number phone in his hand? What is going on? But he's just is he not the most real? Oh, he's totally real. Genuine straight shooter. Yeah, I listen. Would if if I could have a dream, it would be that he and I did a project together or something because but I don't know if that's ever going to happen, but it would sure be cool. Well, we put it out there. So you never. And by the way, if you got Kevin's number in there, you win the phone poker game. You know, I didn't. I haven't even thought to go look until you just. And for a long time, I had John Travolta on mine. Wow. How did that go? OK, OK, that was another weird. That's the thing about this business. You get sometimes you get thrown into the situation you school. How is this happening? Yeah, where am I? So I had I was coming. Gail and I were coming back. We flew into LA on a charter plane. And I said, I'm going to go in and get the bags. And I walk in and there's John Travolta sitting in the lobby because he's a pilot and he's going to take his plane out. And I swear to you, then he looked at me and he goes, hey, Bill, how are you doing? And I was like, you know me. I'm I'm I'm good, John. And he goes and he said, we started talking. Yeah, here's my number. And I was like, I looked at you. I go, I. I have his phone number now. What are you going to do with it? Nothing. You know what? So I can win the phone poker game. I know. What am I going to really call up, Kevin? And you're going to call up Travolta? Yeah, John, what's that? Remember, we met in an airport and he may have been recruiting me. I don't know. No, but another one of the genuine ones in the world. Yeah, you know, just so I think that's, you know, I remember when I had my sitcom, the Bill Ingvo show on TBS, we had we gave Jennifer Lawrence her first job. She was my daughter on my sitcom. And I remember she was I remember one day I'm walking into her dressing room and I turned to the producer and I said, we're going to be right in the episode where she goes off to college real quick because you just you just knew she had it. But it was it. And that it was she was just Jenny. She was she didn't try to be. And I think that's why people loved her at the Oscars. She's fallible, you know, she and bless her little heart. When she got started getting all these movies for about the first two or three of them, she would always thank me for giving her that job. And she's done all right for herself, you know, that's pretty special. I mean, that's for you to see that too and to want to push her out as opposed to keeper. You know, I love the pepper, but I knew we weren't going to be able to. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. Well, the world has been through a lot since your sitcom there. And I could list a million things, nine 11, the pandemic, political division. How have you seen comedy's role evolve as a sort of relief or escape? And what do you think the what responsibility do you feel that the comedians have to help people when the times are really the darkest? I think that's when we need comedy the most. You know, it used to be that the people went to a comedy show to to just kind of get a break from life. And now, you know, there was a period of time where it's almost like people were coming to the show, hoping you would say something that would offend them. Yeah. So they could shout out or whatever. And I just took I just took that to me as like, just do your stuff. Don't you know, my stuff's always been middle of the road, middle America. That's what people wanted. They just wanted some kind of stability, like to help me get through this. As a comedian, I've always felt like it was my job to do what I get, not to tell you what you should think or how you should because I don't care. I don't care what your political beliefs are or anything. I just my job is to make you laugh. And if I can do that, then we've both achieved a goal, you know, that you're you're a little more relaxed now. I'm I'm having fun. And, you know, there's there's a niche for everything. You know, some people like that kind of in your face, comedy and stuff. I always don't be like, if you come to my show, just sit back. You're going to laugh and you're going to walk out of here feeling good. I love that. I wish you were my doctor. Imagine if your doctor said that to you every time you went for an appointment. You're going to be fine. Yeah, everything. Just sit back, relax, put on the seat belt. Has your understanding of laughter and the power of the actual physical laughing has it changed who you are as a person, not just as a performer? Like now that you know the power that it has, I think maybe there was a period of time where I like I didn't really it was just a job. You know, it was a thank God it worked out because I would literally not train to do anything else. You know, that's where you say comedy saved my life. I didn't I didn't know what I was going to do. You know, if this comedy thing hadn't worked out, I had no B plan. There was no backup. And I don't know if maybe subconsciously I knew that and it made me work harder at it. Yeah. But yeah, it was it's one of those things. And just to actually you think about how good you feel when you laugh out loud. I mean, there's no bad feeling. The endorphins kick in and you walk out of there feeling great. I think if we can all as a as a society, just remember that not everybody's out to get you. Sometimes it's good just to sit back and laugh. And I'll tell you a story that my dad was a doctor at the time. And he was telling me one. I remember never forget that he was an anesthesiologist and had done all this stuff. I remember one morning at breakfast, he said, you know, I've always wanted to try a stand up comedy. I went, what? I go, why? You're a doctor. You've you've got you you heal people. He goes, they did a study that in an operating room situation, even when a patient is under sedation, if the room is light and there's kind of laughter and stuff, people heal. I think he said it. People heal three times faster than they do. If if the room is, you know, somber and people aren't talking. And so when he said that, I go, wow, I go, this is way bigger than than I am. I had then my comprehension. I thank dad for that because he reminded me that your job is to make people laugh. And if you do that, you're going to be OK. Yeah, even if you're not a brain surgeon or. Yeah, you know, you don't have to. You're healing people in a different way. Exactly. Exactly. Wow, that's pretty cool. And that you know that, too. It's almost like I remember getting into the business when I was a kid and and always feeling sort of like, yeah, I know, I know. It's not a doctor. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not some, you know, philanthropist or, you know, whatever. And but when you realize that what you do can help people, then it changes. And all of a sudden you don't feel inferior just because you're an entertainment or, you know. Right. Well, and especially with comedy, because, you know, Rodney Dangerfield summed it up. You know, when he said, you know, he did the I don't get any respect. Yeah. Comedy is just starting to gain that respect that it deserves. Because, you know, people, my friend and I would be on the road and we used to laugh that people would go, we'll just get up there and do your stuff. You know, it's there's there's an art and a science to comedy. You know, and I don't think people understand that, that how hard it is. Although Seinfeld once did a bit, he said that they did a survey of people's top five fears. And number two was death. Number one was speaking in public. You're the second person. Yeah. He said, what you're saying is you'd rather be the guy in the box than the guy given the eulogy. It's true. I never knew that, though. You're the second person in the last two weeks that has said that to me. That statistic. Yeah. It's it's it's crazy. And, you know, and I tell you this, the other thing that I love it. I love making people laugh. I love it when people will come up to me and say, you know what, I was having a really crappy day and you made me laugh and thanks. You know, that that to me is like the greatest compliment you can get. It's the best. And how can you not want to do that? I can't even imagine what you were doing when you were retired. Yeah, well, like that to me, I would need that all the time. I would need to know that I was helping and being helped by that just by helping others. I mean, right, right. There isn't. And also, I want to say something to the listeners right now. Bill, you are one of the biggest names in comedy. And you are probably one of the most down to earth people I've ever spoken to in the entire entertainment industry. So I just want to say thanks for even carving out the time for us today and for sharing your vulnerable side and giving us a peek at what it's really like, because it's it's pretty incredible. It's it's an incredible power. I am just so honored and humbled. In fact, at whatever reason, the gods of comedy reached over and touched me and said, you're going to be the one. And now, you know, it's so funny, because now I once am I like if I'm working on some new stuff, I'll go to a club and you get on an open mic night or whatever, just to work out some material. And invariably, one of the young comes to go, I've been listening to you my whole life. And I'm like, yeah, what? How is that even possible? You're just getting started. Yeah, but it's got that power. And, you know, I hoped it. You know, it is funny you mentioned about the being just a kind of a homegrown guy. Somebody asked me, there was a we were playing a game with a goal. What do you want written on your headstone? And I hope with all my heart. That they can write. There's one I told my wife, I said, the first one I want to have on my headstone is, wow, it's more human than I thought it'd be. She goes, I am not putting that on your headstone. Yeah. And I the more I thought about that, I really do hope with all my heart that when people remember me, that it'll be in one phrase. He was a nice guy. Wow. I can't even I don't even know how to go on to the next thing with you, because that's just first of all, I love the first one, though, because everybody who would come to visit your headstone or you and see that that would laugh. And so you would continue to make people laugh. Hopefully they would laugh. Yeah. And and then you reminded me of a story real quick of my grandfather when he was dying, when I was really little and they wouldn't let me in the room to see him because it was really difficult. But I remember standing out in the hall with my whole family. And I wonder if this is why I always like comedy. It was that or Carol Burnett, but I'd see the nurses coming out of the room cracking up, Bill, my grandfather. He's literally taking his last breaths and he's joking with the staff, the doctors and the nurses, and they're coming out of the room and they're laughing and crying at the same time because they can't believe they're laughing while this man is dying. So well, you know what that tells me? He got it. He did. He got it. He did. Wow. Yeah. Well, Bill, it's been such a pleasure talking with you. Oh, it's been my pleasure. Thank you for having me. So honored. You here's your sign. It wasn't my time. Is a tour coming up for you? Yeah, that's the new tour. Yeah, it went for from here's your sign. It's finally time to now it's here's your sign. It wasn't my time. As long as it rhymes, it's good. And you can find that at BillAngle.com. And was there, did I see something else? Something about just selling for parts? Oh, that was. Is that a special that that was a special idea that I really loved? I just love the title just because it came from, you know, as you get older, you start, you know, I just, you know, this thing start breaking down and, you know, you're getting older. And my fear was that doctor was going to go to my wife and go, just selling for parts. It's better than getting sent out to pasture, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Bill Angle, thank you so much for coming out of retirement to save all of us with your laughter. I can't wait to see all the new things that you're going to be doing. And thank you for healing all of us with your laughter and for coming on Comedy Save Me. And it's been my honor and thank you for doing this.