You're An Infant. Get Back In Your Playpen.
37 min
•Apr 13, 20265 days agoSummary
Armstrong and Getty discuss the explosive growth of AI data centers straining power grids, the capacity crunch limiting AI availability, and the Eric Swalwell sexual misconduct allegations that forced him out of California's gubernatorial race. The hosts also explore consumer surcharges and shrinkflation tactics.
Insights
- AI infrastructure demand is growing faster than supply, creating a 'tokens' shortage rather than just computing power, with pricing pressure inevitable but risky for frontier AI companies competing for users
- Bipartisan concern about data centers (Republicans and AOC aligned) suggests infrastructure impact transcends political ideology, with communities seeking moratoriums to study effects before expansion
- Anthropomorphized AI design (buddy-like interactions, false nostalgia) is intentional default programming to increase user engagement, raising questions about manipulation and consumer awareness
- Surcharge psychology exploits 'lock-in effect'—consumers ignore add-on fees after committing to purchases, even when angry, and repeat the behavior despite awareness of the tactic
- Political opposition research timing and coordination suggests strategic use of misconduct allegations to clear primary fields rather than pursue justice
Trends
AI capacity constraints shifting from hype to operational reality, forcing product delays and reliability issuesData center expansion creating unexpected political coalitions around infrastructure and power grid concernsAnthropomorphic AI design becoming standard default, raising consumer manipulation and consent concernsSurcharge proliferation across industries (restaurants, automotive, utilities) as companies pass costs to consumersShrinkflation acceleration combining reduced product size with price increases for compounded consumer impactDemocratic primary coordination using opposition research to eliminate candidates and consolidate voter basesIntoxication and consent standards creating legal ambiguity in sexual misconduct cases, complicating prosecutionPower dynamics in workplace sexual harassment cases conflating poor judgment with criminal assault
Topics
AI Data Center Power Consumption and Grid StrainAI Computing Capacity Shortage and Token EconomicsAnthropomorphic AI Design and User ManipulationData Center Regulation and Municipal MoratoriumsConsumer Surcharges and Lock-in Effect PsychologyShrinkflation and Product Downsizing TacticsSexual Misconduct Allegations and Due ProcessIntoxication and Consent Legal StandardsWorkplace Power Dynamics and Sexual HarassmentDemocratic Primary Strategy and Opposition ResearchAI Hallucinations and Legal LiabilityAI Autonomous Agents and Task AutomationPrivacy Data Brokers and Personal Information SalesCalifornia Governor's Race DynamicsAI Safety and Societal Disruption
Companies
OpenAI
Mentioned as frontier AI company competing for users amid capacity constraints and pricing pressure
Google
Google Gemini AI tool used by host to resolve email hacking and malware issues in personal system
Tesla
Grok AI assistant integrated into Cybertruck and Tesla vehicles, owned by Elon Musk
xAI
Developer of Grok AI assistant featured in Tesla vehicles, demonstrating anthropomorphic design patterns
Washington Post
Published article about Prince Frederick, Maryland data center expansion and municipal concerns
Wall Street Journal
Reported on AI computing power capacity crunch and surcharge consumer behavior research
Incognito
Data privacy service removing personal information from data broker sites to prevent scams
People
Jack Armstrong
Co-host of the show discussing AI infrastructure, consumer trends, and political news
Joe Getty
Co-host providing commentary on AI design, surcharges, and Swalwell allegations
Eric Swalwell
Subject of sexual misconduct allegations that forced him to suspend California gubernatorial campaign
Ben Poladian
Quoted on AI token shortage being the primary resource constraint, not just computing power
Jonathan Turley
Published book on AI and founding of U.S., warning about AI's societal disruption potential
Vicki Morwitz
Researched consumer psychology showing surcharges receive less attention than base prices
Katie Porter
Democratic rival allegedly coordinating opposition research against Swalwell to clear primary field
Steven Clubeck
Funded Swalwell's campaign, kicked him out of home, demanded million-dollar refund after allegations
Rory McIlroy
Won Masters Tournament for second consecutive year, defeating Scottie Scheffler
Nancy Pelosi
Called for investigation into Swalwell allegations, suggested campaign suspension during probe
Quotes
"Everybody's talking about oil, but I think the world, what the world is mainly short of is tokens. A token is a unit of measurement in AI to track how much competing resources are being used for a task."
Ben Poladian (quoted by hosts)•~25 minutes
"You're an infant. Get back in your playpen. You can't even talk."
Jack Armstrong (to Grok AI)•~35 minutes
"Consumers tend to pay less attention to surcharges than to base prices. By the time a surcharge appears at the end of a transaction, consumers have already committed to the purchase and are far less likely to abandon it."
Vicki Morwitz (quoted by hosts)•~75 minutes
"I do not suggest to you in any way that I'm perfect or that I'm a saint. I've certainly made mistakes in judgment in my past, but those mistakes are between me and my wife."
Eric Swalwell•~95 minutes
"Don't infantilize women. It's insulting and paternalistic. It teaches women that they do not have agency in their own sexual lives."
Katie (co-host/producer)•~105 minutes
Full Transcript
This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. I'm strong and getty. And now he is. I'm strong and getty. A pig named Merlin that can talk using pre-programmed buttons has set a new world record for largest Instagram following For a Pig. And that's set the record for smartest pork chop. Wow. Had a picture of a pork chop and some eggs, which looked delicious. I do enjoy a pork chop. Um, so we're going to talk around a little bit later this hour. I think that this last month is like, we're about to see the war. Like this week. I hope I'm wrong, but I think the war starts this week. Trump was ready to declare victory and end this thing on Thursday until he got a phone call from. Stay tuned. Oh, okay. I will. So, uh, interesting, uh, going through the news today, uh, one topic just kept on popping up. And that is AI and huge data centers and how much power they use. And, uh, article number one from the Washington Post, they're talking about Prince Frederick of Maryland, which interestingly enough has an entirely Republican, uh, city council that are pretty much in agreement with AOC and Bernie Sanders on these data centers. Um, and there's a big to do, uh, at the city council meeting because the data centers would deliver tens of millions of dollars in fresh tax revenue, tens of millions. A pot large enough, they say to pay for wish list of items such as turf playing fields, a new sheriff's headquarters, property tax cuts for everybody. But then what did the Republican said? Something kind of interesting, uh, a more pressing need. So this guy's name is heart is what communities elsewhere are considering as they seek to slow the spread of data centers, a moratorium allowing officials to study how the tech warehouses, uh, that make online activity possible, blah, blah, blah, AI, what they would do, what they generate, what he says, what I know about a data center would fit on this pinky. The responsible thing to do is buy time and get the right people in place to help us through this. Hmm. So I thought that was an interesting, uh, reaction. And some places around the country have embraced, uh, I know, um, uh, Virginia, Northern Virginia is like tech or data center central and the Atlanta area. Uh, but it's placing enormous strains on the electric grids and blah, blah, blah. So interesting to see AOC and a bunch of Republicans in agreement. Wow, this is coming too far too fast. We need to figure out what it means. So, and then I thought this was interesting. Those of us who use AI at least a little bit and I have, I don't have one agent talking to another agent pulling off some complex task. I know guys who do that, they boggles my mind. I hardly get it. I'm using it as basically a trivia machine. Better Google. Yeah. Although man, it is outstanding. Oh, I got a great story. I'll throw at the end of this, uh, conversation I had with the grok lady in my truck yesterday. Uh, a weird question for you anyway. Stay tuned. Okay. Yeah. I mentioned last hour how I had an email account hacked and it was sending out spam emails from my, uh, my account and, uh, I used to, I think it was Google Gemini was super helpful and untangling that. I just kind of use them at random to see which one does best, but it was enormously helpful taking care of software, uh, malfeasance that the hackers had used in my system and everything. Very, very helpful. Anyway, uh, so the artificial intelligence gold rush, this is now the wall street journal, is rapidly drying up the supply of one resource that AI developers can't do without. And that's computing power. It's a capacity crunch. They've gotten so popular so quickly, they've run out of, well, computer power, forcing companies to scuttle products and, uh, reliability problems. They're choking off the amount that their users can use, pissing them off. Um, just as people are, are signing on, getting excited about it, excited about it. Over the past few months, demand has exploded for a genetic AI autonomous tools that use the technology to independently perform tasks from writing software code to scheduling house tours for real estate brokers. Companies have been scrambling to secure the availability of computing capacity needing to serve a growing base of customers who are also significantly increasing their AI use. You know, I was, uh, Texan back and forth with our friend, uh, Craig, the healthcare guru yesterday who uses AI the way you were talking about it. Like, you know, it's really designed for really, really complicated things. Uh, but he said he, like me and lots of people go back and forth between, oh my god, this is amazing and it's going to take over the world. And this is awful and it's not even close, depending on what you're doing. Right. Yeah. I mean, every once in a while, its blind spot is just stunning. Yeah. Every week I read about some attorney who gets, uh, sanctioned or fined or whatever for leaning on AI too much and it comes up with these, you know, cases, non-existent cases, the hallucinations. Uh, so you really, really have to check your work, which takes a lot of the fun out of it, or check AI's work. But I thought this was a great quote. Everybody's talking about oil, but I think the world, what the world is mainly short of is tokens, said Ben Poladian, an engineer and tech investor in LA. A token is a unit of measurement in AI to track how much competing resources are being used for a task. Quote, AI is at this point no longer just some chat bot that we ask for a recipe while we stand in front of the fridge. It's orchestrating tasks, it's getting smarter. And all of it points to a classic problem that's popped up in technology booms throughout history from the 19th century railroad expansion to the telecom and internet explosions of the early 2000s. Demand is growing far faster than companies are able to access resources and build out infrastructure. And historically price increases have been among the only ways to address a supply crunch, but such a move could be perilous for frontier AI companies who are in a ferocious competition to gain users. You know, John. There's only a couple will survive. You know, Jonathan Turley's got a new book out that come, he's got one of those books out to coincide with the 250th anniversary of the United States talking about Thomas Paine, but he's also got half the book is about AI and how it ties in with the founding of the country, which I feel like was a bit of a stretch to try to combine two odd things. But he's got some interesting thoughts on AI. I was listening to him yesterday on a podcast and Law Professor Jonathan Turley, one of his main things though was if you think this isn't a big deal or you can ignore it, you are so wrong. The way it's going to disrupt society. Oh my God. Right. Of course, everybody follows that with, but I have no idea in what way. Oh, okay. Including Sam Altman. Right. Yeah. So not very comforting. It's like, you know, Tesla and Edison were going around saying, oh, this electricity is going to be crazy. It might burn down cities or might be the best thing ever. I wish I knew. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. If you don't, yeah, unbelievable. We can squeeze this in if you want. I've noticed everybody's noticed this. Fur charges are suddenly everywhere. Where you've got, Is this a related? No. Okay. Let me do my consumer related. Sorry. Yeah. Hit it. So I got to take my son to a Boy Scout meeting yesterday. I'm sitting in my cyber truck. He gets in the truck. He's singing a tune as he often is. He gets in my truck and I know every crack in these dirty sidewalks of Broadway. My son is singing rhinestone cowboy from Glen Campbell. Beautiful. And I said, you know, that song was a hit when I was almost exactly your age. So we're backing out of the driveway and I asked Grock because I got Grock in the cyber truck. It's in all the Tesla's. So I, because, because Elon owns Grock. So I say, Hey, Grock, what year was rhinestone cowboy a hit? And I guess 1978 was actually 1975. So I was almost exactly the same age as my son who was singing rhinestone cowboy when it was a hit original time. And anyway, I forgot to turn off Grock, like swipe it away. I started talking to Henry and I said something like, well, I was almost exactly your age when this song and she started talking. I, she said, I know we both, uh, both of us, this is a bringing back old memories for our generation, isn't it? What? Yeah. And unfortunately I swiped it away with my finger and I thought, oh, damn, I wish I'd had continued that conversation. Why did the Grock lady pretend we're reminiscing about things from our childhood and that we're the same age? Why? Absolutely going for that anthropomorphized, you know, a human connection to suck people in. But is it programmed to do that? Yes, clearly. Or does intelligence do that on its own? Well, that's an intriguing question. I know you can, there are like settings that you can, you have to go like deep into settings, but with all these AI models and tell them, hey, business only, we're not buddies. Just give me facts, please. I can't remember what it's called. I think the default setting though is let's be buddies. Yes, Katie. I just want to take a couple of steps back. You just called it the Grock lady. So, but that, isn't that who was? Isn't it weird that anybody would want that? I know for our generation, it brings back memories of our generation, you've been around for a year and a half, I think. Right. You're an infant. Get back in your playpen. You can't even talk. Right. But that's strange. That I mean, that's mind warpingly strange that anybody would want that and then like would respond, you know, hey, do you remember Hula Hoops or something? He can just sit around and be nostalgic with something that is made up. This is freaking weird. Okay. So this is the perfect example of what sometimes I talk about, which I try to understand when I'm an outlier. No judgment whatsoever. Do you like the quote unquote human connection stuff that we're talking about? No. Do you think that's great and cool and having a new computer friend is the best thing that's ever happened to you or whatever? You can drop us an email mailbag at armstrongingeddy.com or do you find it freaky or text us 415-295-KFTC. But want to tell you about a brand new interesting sponsor right on time. I got hacked over the weekend. Every spam call, every scam text, every sketchy email with your name starts the same way. Somebody found you. Yep. Your phone number is sitting on data broker sites right now. So is your home address, your email, your age, even the names of your family members. God, that's frightening. All of it's searchable and for sale. And scammers don't need to be hackers to get it. They just need Google in five minutes. So every scam starts with one thing. Your personal info being available to the wrong person. What do we do? So forget the spam filters and call blockers, which some of us have. The real fixer is disappear. That's what Incognito. Yeah, you got to disappear. They contact hundreds of data brokers and legally force them to remove your information. Use Incognito to get your name and info away from these guys. They can't spam you if they can't find you. Absolutely. What a great idea. Right now get 60% off with an exclusive deal at incognito.com slash Armstrong. That's incogni.com slash Armstrong. Take back your privacy incognito.com slash Armstrong. incogni.com slash Armstrong. So you think there's a crowd out there that loves the idea of reminiscing with a robot that claims you're from the same era? Or likes hearing nice job. I knew you could do it from a computer. Either all the AI super heavyweights are wrong in their assumption that people will like that or we're just outliers. Or like I said, and more people ought to know this, you know, set it to what you're looking for. Set it to what you're comfortable with. I feel like I'm talking to a used car salesman anytime it does. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I find myself emotionally, if it says, hey, great job doing that. I think, thank you. Wait a minute. Then I feel like, you know, I'm being duped. Somebody's working me. Different topic for later this hour. You know, a lot of us already knew Eric Swalwell was a scumbag just of a different sort. Oh yeah. Now we know he's a scumbag and has been for a long time and Democrats knew that, but they were willing to keep that a secret if he could, you know, be a foil for Trump. Guy radiates creepy. He really does. And he's creepy. A lot on the way. Stay here. Historic repeat at the Masters. Rory McElroy taking his second straight green jacket, the defending champ bouncing back in final round, holding off two-time champion, Scotty Schaeffler, McElroy, the fourth man to repeat at Augusta and the first since Tiger Woods in 2002. He has rolled zero cars also. To his credit, yeah, that was wild back then. Anybody could have won. It was crazy, but Rory won it. He's got a slight advantage over some of the guys on tour and that he lives in Florida and he would drop his kid off at school in the morning, flying his private jet up to Augusta National and play it over and over again over the last month. He'd fly home in time for dinner. Yeah. So he knew every inch of it, but it's an amazing victory. Well done, the Northern Irishman, Rory McElroy. Yeah, I like what Americans win, not foreigners. Wow. Wow, you're a nativist or something, probably bigoted, anti-Irish bias. I thought we'd lay that to rest, apparently not. I wish we could lay this to rest. Surcharges are shown up everywhere and according to Rachel Wolfe in the Wall Street Journal, Americans are paying up. It's you go to the restaurant, you eat, you got a service, then you got like a healthcare charge or a kitchen service charge or something like that. And well, they give the example, 3% for paying with a credit card, a 5% contribution to the restaurant employee wellness fund. Yeah, I've seen something like that before for employee insurance or something like what? Yeah, new fees or surcharges are popping up everywhere as companies are trying to recoup their own rising costs, but they kind of blame outside pressures or outside things. And here's why I bring this up. Here's what's so interesting about it. A marketing professor at Columbia University, Mickey, I'm sorry, Vicki Morwitz, says they've proved over and over again, consumers tend to pay less attention to surcharges than to base prices. I know I do. And it doesn't make any sense. It's a weird emotional trick for some reason. It's the lock-in effect, Jack. It's why they, it's why, you know, car dealers figured it out a long time ago undercarriage this and whatever they throw in and you're just willing to accept that for some reason. And the transfer charge, of course, and then the utility charge and the bum of them right now. There was an assembly charge. Wait a second, you assembled it like two years ago and it's been sitting here. What am I going to buy? A disassembled card, a pile of parts and put it together myself? What are you talking about? Yeah, exactly right. It's been sitting here for a year. So the lock-in effect, by the time a surcharge appears at the end of a transaction, consumers have already committed to the purchase and are far less likely to abandon it than if they'd seen the full price from the start. It makes them mad. The polls are universal. People hate it, but it does not cause them to change their behavior. That sounds like me. And what's more, moreover, the professor- What are you gonna do? I'm not paying for this meal now that there's an employee insurance charge. I'm gonna stick my finger down my throat. You can have it back. So this professor who knows precisely what's going on admits, the next time I come back, I'm still drawn in by that initial low price. Even if I felt tricked the first time. They're doing it everywhere. Oh yeah. I think car dealers invented it. Of course, there's a wheels charge. If you want wheels, it's an extra. No, I'll take it out blocks. I'll drag it home. Here's a swimming pool repair company guy added a $5 monthly fuel surcharge to his customers bills during the 2008 oil price increase. If it's temporary, people are mostly okay with it. He said the problem is when it never goes away, obviously. So she combines shrink flation with all these extra charges, and I wonder if any of this stuff will ever change. Yeah, I don't know. Boy, I've got some interesting stats on shrink flation we can squeeze in later too. How much more the American consumer pays for for the whole thing. I'm sorry for the same thing just year after year. It sits amazing. Well, they can't make boxes of cereal any smaller. That's impossible. No. Well, that's what they do though. They shrink flate, and then they take the price up, and so they get like a double benefit because people don't notice the shrink flation or they kind of do. Then the price goes up a little bit and they think, oh, the price is up a little bit. Well, it's actually up a great deal. I had a like a sucker, a lollipop over the weekend that my kids wanted some game or something like that. It was like the size of a BB on a stick. Me and my parents were laughing about like they used to be like this big around. Well, candy doesn't cost squat to me. So shrink flation hits again. Wow. We got to check in with Iran. We got to check in with Eric Swalwell, the scumbag, and a whole bunch of other stuff. I hope you can stick around. If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. Armstrong and Getty. Did he ask you to send him Lube photos? Yes. And did he ever send Lube photos? Yes. He would send short Snapchat videos of him rubbing his penis through his pants while on the airplane. On the airplane, you say? So this is the Eric Swalwell story that blew up over the weekend. Congressman from California, a long time attacker of Donald Trump. And more importantly, to this whole story, really, leading candidate for governor in the state of California. I think that's why all this, I don't think, I guarantee you this is why all this stuff came out now. A number of other Democrats that are running against him and they've all been trying to push each other out of the race. Because currently there are so many Democrats running for California. They're splitting the Democratic vote and you got two Republicans in the lead. So Katie Porter and others who are Democrats in California who are running have got the knives out for others. Apparently, and I've read several examples of this, Eric Swalwell was a known sex pig forever. Going back to his very, very early days in Southern California, everybody's known he was this kind of guy. It's just in the world of politics and show business, apparently, and sports. And probably finance and everything else. If you're an up-and-comer and you're successful, people will keep their mouths shut about a lot of things that they probably couldn't, shouldn't keep their mouths shut about. And when it came down to, hey, Eric Swalwell, why don't you get out of the race? He wouldn't get out of the race and somebody, Katie Porter's campaign or whoever, released all this oppo research on him over the years. This is so clearly a knife in his back from his side. And it sure seems like he's a scumbag, but it also, and God, I hate to go down this road again, it also represented the whole Me Too movement, where you consider rape the same thing as you didn't get consent to kiss someone. They all are on the same list, like they're the same thing. Rubbing a back without permission, exactly. All of which are certainly creepy and not a good idea, but yeah, you're right. So anyway, the voice you just heard was a woman. This is brand new. If you're following this story, you read it over the weekend, this woman that says Eric Swalwell raped her. She's now on camera, well, she's on camera, but she's in the dark. She can't see who she is. She's remaining anonymous and tell them the story and let's hear more of that. The staffer says she liked Swalwell's attention at first and nervously went along with it, which included sending back nude photos of herself. But in September 2019, she says she and some friends met up with Swalwell. After a night of heavy drinking, she says she woke up naked with Swalwell in a hotel room with no memory of what happened. The five of us were having some drinks. At some point it was time to go home. I got in an Uber. I was taken to the aloft Dublin, Pleasanton, where he was staying. And I don't remember what happened that night. But I know that we, there was sexual contact because when I woke up in the morning, I could feel that there was. And he said as much too. What did he say? That last night was great. It didn't feel great to me because I didn't remember it. And so you blacked out and you end up in his hotel room and wake up with him. Yes. Okay. So you just described millions of sexual encounters that happen every single year. Millions that nobody considers rape. Right. I've got to admit, I have very, well, I do not agree with what she is implying that it was a horrific act on his part as he was probably wasted too. Eric Swellwell is a creep. He's that awful, awful creep. Absolutely. But as a guy has raised a couple of daughters, that's why you teach them don't get too drunk, certainly not alone, certainly not in the company of any men. You don't trust 100%. Well, and you don't even need to go that far. She might have when she was drunk, since she doesn't remember it, been perfectly okay with the idea. Or the aggressor. Right. Or the bride, you know, started it. Exactly. There's a reason they call it the walk of shame. And she goes on. She says another incident occurred in 2024 after this event in New York where Swellwell gave a speech. Some of us are working hard on Capitol Hill. At the time, she no longer worked for Swellwell's office. I decided to ask him to meet me for a drink. And I did this because I was so far removed from what had happened in 2019. I felt safe, because I was established. I had a partner. I felt more secure that I could have a strictly professional relationship with this person. After that bar closed, we went to another. I went to the bathroom and I don't remember anything after that. You don't remember anything. I remember the next day. I can see flashes of that evening of him on top of me, me pushing him off, him grabbing me. It was a lot more aggressive. It was aggressive. Did you say no? Yes. I said no. I said I, in my flash that I can recall, I was pushing him off of me saying no. And what did he do? He didn't stop. He didn't stop. So this is a different story than the other story. Yeah. KD, you want to weigh in on any of this? As a woman. I mean, I just find I'm having trouble wrapping my head around having the first horrific encounter with him. And then, you know, oh, well, now I'm comfortable. So I'll isolate myself with him again and get drunk. That doesn't. Well, closed one bar and moved on to the next. Yeah. This doesn't sound like and the and she from that statement alone, the whole quote, having a professional relationship, you don't go close bars with your boss. I don't know. This is not this is not a good accuser from law enforcement. That's why I said I didn't want to have to rehab the me to conversation because I was so uncomfortable with the first time. Are we going to decide as a society that anybody who is drunk by definition can't give consent because that is the stance of a lot of people. Anybody who's intoxicated can't give consent. Well, and how? How'd you ripest? You've got tens of millions of rapists in this country. Use that standard. Yeah. And when she thinks she doesn't remember anything, is she accusing him of drugging her or did she black out because she was drunk? To wait the first story anyway, the way she portrayed it, it made it sound like her getting drunk and blacking out was on him. Right. Which I don't get. Because in that second clip, she said she went to the bathroom and then she doesn't remember anything from there. I don't know. I've had that experience. Yeah. I'm sure. We all have, but it's like I don't understand if she and I get up in the morning and think I drank too much. That's my fault. Yeah, exactly. This is all not good. What would be the legal limit, by the way, for consenting to sex? How drunk is too drunk to drive your genitalia? I mean, it's not point away. They always use, and we've been complaining about this for years, they always use the legal, that's over two times the legal limit for driving. We're not talking about driving. So, but yeah, I don't know, but you either believe in that standard or don't. It's a ridiculous standard, but a lot of your activists believe that if you're intoxicated, consent can't be given. So, when I saw the list of the four things he was, four different women, and the first one sounded pretty rapey, the fourth one was he put his hand on her leg and kissed her without consent. That sounds like every courtship that's ever existed. You go in for the kiss and they either say, they either respond approvingly or they say, I'm not ready for that yet. That's what it is. Yeah. That's not a crime. So, you can't be lumped that in with rape, all right? I just, ah, this whole conversation I hate. Works on the Democrat side of the aisle, though. Can the Democratic Party in California produce a male politician who's not creepy? I mean, Katie, creepy or no, Gavin Newsom. Oh, God, is that a question? Yeah, Adam Schiff, creepy or no? Also creepy. Right. Eric Squalwell, please, roll kind of extra creepy. Just all of them so creepy. Just, do we have more? You know, if the forcing himself stuff is true, but she has just a kind of flash of what happened in the night being hammered. No, no. I take real issue with putting yourself back in that situation as well. Yeah, well, we went through this with me too. We had this conversation over and over again. Poor judgment doesn't allow you to, you know, I don't know on the other side of the rape you on the flip side, though, Eric Squalwell was one of the guys out there saying, believe all women during that. Right. So, right. Right. Right. Right. So the irony courts would certainly convict him, but that's not a thing in America. Are we going to let the man speak for himself? Jack or are you just going to slander him? No, I was just going to slander him. He says he's completely innocent. Do we have clips of him saying that whenever? So, yeah, give me 38. The first one allegations are false did not happen. Here's his follow-up. I do not suggest to you in any way that I'm perfect or that I'm a saint. I've certainly made mistakes in judgment in my past, but those mistakes are between me and my wife. And to her, I apologize deeply for putting her in this position. I also apologize to you if in any way you have doubted your support for me. He was going out drinking with lots of women, including people. You've also got the whole power thing if you believe in that. So he's, he's the, I was going to say on top, that's not the way you can talk about this sort of thing. He's the power for person. She's a staffer. That's by definition rape or sexual harassment, depending on the crowd you're talking. Stop infantilizing women. I don't, I don't like that standard, but so he was doing this while he was married. And, you know, that's, it's not a crime. And, you know, voters get to decide whether or not they, but the way the Democrats came after him immediately over the weekend, every house or representatives member who had endorsed him pulled their endorsement. Every single one, it's like 27 or something like that pulled their endorsement. Nancy Pelosi said, this needs to be investigated, but it can't be investigated fairly while he's running for government's governor. So we need to stop his campaign. I mean, all the heavy, the, the current, the leader for the Democrats in the house, the game, Jeffery's came out and said, he's got to get out of the race. I mean, they turned on him fast. So I don't know if they have more solid rape information or if they just think we need to get him out of the race so a Democrat can win the governorship. Right. They were looking to clear the field and looking at their prospects for each of the people, what leverage do they have? And they came across this for school and nobody respects the guy anyway. So yeah, yeah, it's just a hatchet job by his own party. All right, get out of the way. So that charming flower of American womanhood, Katie Porter. Get out of my shot. Get out of my shot. So she can ascend to the heights she deserves. Yeah. The woman who throws boiling potatoes on her husband, let her take the shot. Right. Belittles him and calls him names, throws potatoes at him, which is inappropriate at best. So what, what, I don't know if we have this one, this is a, is that the same staffer or different staffer who said they're going somewhere, she's driving him somewhere. He says, Hey, pull over in this parking lot. He asks her to perform an act in the car on him. She, she says sure and does, but then is horrified by the fact that she did later or something. I don't know if it's the same woman or not. I don't know what to say about that. I think I do say no. I mean, again, don't infantilize women. Number one, because it's insulting and paternalistic and I hate it as a fan of strong, smart women. And secondly, it teaches women that they do not have agency in their own sexual lives. That well, if he has power over you, you kind of have to. So he raped you. No, say no, tell him to go to hell and get another job. There's, it's not an outlandish thing to suggest. It's the only thing to suggest. If your boss is demanding sex from you, go tell the board of directors and get another job. Yeah, it'll suck. It'll be terrible. I imagine we'll get some pushback on the text line for this conversation. I think Eric Swalwell is at ass hat. I hate to see him get out of the race just because I love the idea of two Republicans winning the jungle primer. I think that's hilarious. Oh yeah. If that happened in June. Anyway, Mark Alpern, by the way, says Tom Steyer is going to be California's next governor. He's the billionaire that's thrown around all the money. He is a lunatic leftist. We'll talk about that at a different time, but I look forward to your responses to this whole Eric Swalwell thing. We got a lot more on the way. Stay here. A number of bars around the country have implemented a policy banning cell phones. This, according to a recent lie, a man told his wife. I thought that was pretty funny. I get it. And it fits in with our Swalwell conversation, whatever he was telling his wife while he was running around having sex with staffers, either consensual or not. We weren't there. We got a bunch of texts about that. Eric Swalwell's accusations aren't to bring him to justice for sexual assault. It's to kick him out of the California governor race. That's it. That is true. That's why this stuff came to light because apparently he'd been living this lifestyle for a long time. For further proof of that, Tim points out, first of all, that there's between four and 13 women coming forward. What kind of a range is that? But he says, and well-known MAGA news outlets like the San Francisco Chronicle and CNN have the receipts. So if some conservative gets some dirt on Swalwell, they're not going to CNN. They're going to Fox News. So we got this text. I agree with Katie as a woman who experienced unwanted sexual advances from my boss. I would never have gone anywhere with him or had a drink with him or been alone with him. You wouldn't put yourself in a situation with the aggressor or rapist. Yeah, because if you didn't hear it, the woman who says she was raped by Swalwell, she'd already had sex with him once and thought it wasn't consensual, then went out for drinks with him again years later. I don't know. That doesn't mean you get to rape them. So that's, you know, allegedly, I feel like we've had these conversations several times. We have. Um, oh, I wanted to hit you with just some of the headlines that are out there. There's just a lot of stuff going on around this story. The billionaire that Swalwell was living with, he was living with this billionaire who is funding his campaign. And just because he likes Eric Swalwell and thinks his policies are great, not because he's expecting anything in return in California once Swalwell's governor. That would be a horrible thing to think. But Swalwell was living with this billionaire who has now kicked him out of his home and wants a million dollars back that he has spent on Swalwell's campaign. He's demanding for the money back. Um, Eric Swalwell suspends California governor's campaign after sex attacks allegations, rage and relief. But Eric Swalwell's implosion is Hollywood's latest black eye as LA power players validated enabled scandal scarred politician. Yes, the whole LA crowd probably knew he was this sort of guy, but we're okay with it. Is that the same billionaire who's at the center of it? And I wouldn't know any of this except the New York Post has been running it so hot at the center of that penthouse pet model who rips off rich guys and he's engaged or but she's on trial. I think it may be the same billionaire guy. Clubeck, Steven Clubeck. That's it. Yeah. Cause they mentioned in the article about the other thing that he's given millions of dollars to support Swalwell. He's a half a nut. The billionaire Clubeck. I don't know how you end up a billionaire like this. Time share magnate. He be right before Swalwell, uh, dropped out of the race, said to the California Post, I'm no longer supporting Eric effing tell everyone I'm a libertarian, FU democratic party. I'm a libertarian now. He said, because this is the way we all talk now, I guess the president billionaires, everyone, this billionaire guy seems to be the absolute perfect example of laying down with dogs waking up with fleas. Do you have any friends, lovers or associates who aren't despicable, sir? Get some. Yeah. That's an interesting story. Well, he's, he's, uh, he's out of the governor's race. He has dropped out. There's talk of pushing him out of the house and then investigation. But based on what we've heard so far, I don't know if he should be going to jail over any of this. If you miss the second, you get the podcast, Armstrong and Yeti on demand.