Jon and Alex with Alex and Jon: Wednesday, December 10th, 2025

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Clodden, where you're lost. It's your favorite show, the Fast Five Things You Need to Know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast. I'm so excited about my co-host today. In a very informal capacity, they are Ruby's godparents. It's Alex and John. I would be actually honored. You know, we don't do that because we do it. It's not a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a way, I feel like I got pregnant at the exact time that I did because of you guys. Okay. Well, it goes full circle because we had a loss. And then I was like, John and I did not know when we wanted to try again. I'm working out, listening to the Toast, and I'm like, are you kidding me, John? Let's get it on. Literally. Because I couldn't believe it. I know. And you truly influenced me. You influenced me? Yeah, no. I have chills. Sorry, John. I'm really going to do my best not to tell you out. Okay. So for anyone who's new here, I found you guys on TikTok. You have been married for how many years? Six. I should have let John answer. We'll see if you've got a problem. Five or six. Six, definitely. No, he doesn't. Yeah. You've been married for a little while. Yeah. And you started making content when on TikTok? It's 2020. I have to remember to let John answer some questions. We just started. You're fine. No, I know. You're doing great. You're doing great. I almost got you off there too. Okay. You guys are very turdy. She's like, I got this. Don't worry about this. No, okay. So yeah. 2020 COVID and a lot of your shtick and how I found you first was like funny married stuff. And you guys reminded me a lot of me and Ben because like you are very organized, timely, quick. And you seem like a little bit of like a slower mover. Wow. This is the fucking opposite. I don't know what homework you were looking at. No, no, no. But we, when we create our content, we do like pretty much stereotypical husband wife. And like, so again, even when it comes to in the bedroom, like I actually have a higher sex drive than John does. And so, but I know that like generally men do. We'll still stick to the sort of tradition. It's the chase, you know? No, Alex, just when she's attacking at all times. Okay. Moving on. So I saw your guys is like marriage content, which was like, you know, married life stuff. I found it so relatable. I felt so seen so much of the stuff that you guys were and your like quality of content is really, really like, I mean, chuckle. And then when you guys got pregnant, I was like, oh, shit. Now I have to get pregnant because I feel like we've been on very similar like life trajectories. You were married for a while before you decided to try. Yeah. And you like really identified as dinks, correct? Yeah. Duel income, no kids, which was so amazing. Yeah. A disclaimer to that though, everyone thought that we always were like anti having kids. Correct. Never said that. Yeah. We just leaned into dink content. Yeah. Cause we were like, we don't know and like we're having so much fun as dual income, no kids. Like why would we not create content about how much like our parents want us to have kids. And I did want to talk to you guys about like the really sort of mentally ill response of some people when you announced your first pregnancy, being like, I thought my favorite like no kid cut like first of all, you never said that. Correct. And second of all, like what a weird way that's like the weird parasocial relationship in the very odd part of this job is like people having such strong reactions. Like you guys just living your life. And the fact that it hurt their feelings and they felt like that. I can't think of one person on the internet, whether it's a celebrity or a social media creator, that a decision in their life, a personal decision in their life would impact me to the point that I'm like, I need to comment on this and I need to make content about this. And I'm very chronically online. Yeah. I have a lot of parasocial relationships, but I'm still very sound of mind. Right. That even upset you though, like I couldn't even take it seriously. Seriously. It's a real thing. Yeah. We have through the years, thankfully, I feel like because when we announced and decided to start our family, we had been doing social media for a while. And so we have grown a thick skin over the years, but you have to have a thick skin. Like we were able to like look at that and laugh. And I was just like, your people are fucking weird. Right. Yeah. And if you're open to talk about your first pregnancy, because you're really open online. And I think that's why people love you guys so much. You shared at how many weeks? 26 weeks is when I, well, we shared our, our. Anouncement. At 12 weeks or 14 weeks, actually. So I was like, we're in the, you know, second try. Master. It's the safe zone. But then we lost our son at 26 weeks. And so we were, you know, close to the third trimester. And your decision to not only share that online, but then like make content about it was very, I think, shocking to people because it wasn't the type of content that you would think, you know, like montages and stuff. Right. It was sort of like funny. Yeah. And people are like, well, that's not a funny situation. Correct. Why? Well, I think that behind the scenes, we were getting through it with dark humor. And so we were making these really dark jokes with each other, knowing that other people must be thinking these same thoughts. And so the first video that we came back with, or one of the first comedic videos that we came back with was talking to the dual income, no kids headquarters. I love that video. Because you had made one before. Correct. So about rescinding your day cap. Yes. And so when we found out that we were pregnant, we were like, oh my gosh, this is great. Like we're now handing in our resignations as dual income, no kids. And then when we lost our son, I was in such like a state of depression, darkness that I couldn't even think about what we were going to create. But then slowly but surely, like you start to laugh again, you start to find joy again. And I was like, John, hear me out. What if we make this video and he's like, yo, that's fucking dark Alex. Like I don't know how it's going to land. I was going to the lockdown. Exactly. I'm like, is this tone deaf? Yeah. And anyone's going to talk about it. It would be us. Yeah. From our experience. So and I was shocked, the positive like comments and everything from everyone about it. And I'm just, I was relieved too. Yeah. The two of you, who's more like, oh, maybe we should take this out or, you know, who's more editing fear of being canceled. I think I will because I write the script. I always asked John, I'm like, is this a stretch? Like is this too much? And then so if he thinks and like we're still not sure, we'll send it to our team and we'll be like, what are your thoughts? So we actually sent that dual income, no kids, like where we asked for our resignation back because now we're back in the dual income, no kid club. We don't want to be, and they were like, listen, we, like we can't even speak on this because we've never been through this. If you guys feel and similar to what John said, if someone is going to speak on it, it's going to be us. And so I, it was one of those, it felt like an early post like back when we like first posted where it's like, you're so nervous to post something like you post it and you throw your phone. That's what I did. And I was just like, Jesus, take the wheel. I don't know how this is going to go. And then thankfully, I think people, I loved it. Yeah. So refreshing. Yeah. Thank you. How long did you wait? Cause it's a traumatizing thing. And you of course still want to start a family, but you're definitely traumatized. How long do you wait? And how do you know you're ready after going through what you guys went through? We thought that it would be, you know what, John, let me, let me give you the floor. Do you want to say something? I just took her lead. I'm like, I think, and I said this before. If she want to try again, I'm down. If not, I'm so fine. So it's like no pressure on her. And I think it kind of just happened, you know, to, to deal with grief and loss and, you know, you ended up hitting you in waves and then eventually we were okay. But I don't know, like we weren't like, let's have sex now. Yeah. It's not a family. I think that I thought that I would have, wake up one day and be like, I am so healed. Yeah. Let's do this. Yeah. But I, and I was in therapy. I had to head first into work, but they were still just like this gnawing feeling of your, it's going to be hard if you did this in a month from now. And it's going to be hard if you do this in two months from now, because no matter what, you're going through the same experience that gave you trauma. Right. And so I did EMDR in therapy and that was so helpful. Like just to like help my body feel less traumatized, but I actually didn't start that until I found out that I was pregnant because I started having panic attacks. And then I was like, I need to do something with this. But obviously this is not something you ever heal from, but you feel like getting pregnant made it better. Yeah. So we waited six months. I waited until I found out that you were pregnant. And then I was like, now it's, now it's time. So it was December. We tried, found out that we were pregnant in January. And then I was very disconnected because I just like, I built up this wall. I did not want to feel, I didn't want to get emotionally connected to just get hurt again. Of course. But I will say towards the, once I got past the gestation that I lost Leo, I did feel a little bit more like relief. Like, okay, like I feel like I could connect a little bit more. I don't know that I will say I felt fully better until she was here. And I was like, oh my God, like it did heal something inside me. We didn't celebrate anything. We didn't want to be nothing. What did you guys announce? 28 weeks or like 30 weeks. So you really waited. Yeah. Did you like keeping it to yourself for a while? Or were you dying to tell me both? It made it go so fast. But really the hardest part, it was so nice keeping it to ourselves until I was showing. Of course. And people were like, oh my God. And I was like, please don't say anything. Did you guys feel the love? Like of course when anyone announces a pregnancy, it's all like congrats, congrats. Yeah. I feel like the internet was like not well. I was, I was so fucking excited for you guys. Yeah. Did you feel that? It felt like such a warm hug. Really? Like I just felt like we were being embraced and I felt it through our phone. Like truly just even just because of the people in our lives, they were so supportive and it was, it was such like a delicate time. Yeah. Now can we talk about Lucy? She's an angel. Please. So how was she? We brought her here today. What was that about? One of my favorite things about you. I've known a lot, you know, up until I got pregnant. Was I going to share my baby on social? Jackie does and it's my whole life. Yeah. So the second I got pregnant, I was like, literally I'll never, ever show. Like it's just, it was so clear to me that that was my truth. And you don't see a lot of other creators do that, especially creators whose whole shtick is now being parent. Yeah. You guys do not share your baby on social media, but you make a lot of content about your baby and your bridge of doing that is you play the baby with a, like when you have a bow in your hair, that means you are the baby. Yeah. Yeah. You were half a baby. I'm just like, I'm literally just being a bow. You guys, it's so funny. It's better than it would have been if she was in it. Right. It is. And I love that you guys got creative and were able to like maintain your job. And I think actually do your job even better because I think your videos are even funnier now. Thank you. Oh my God, it's so funny. Tell me about that decision to not share. Yeah. So I think when we were pregnant with Leo, we thought of that as well where we were just like, it is not their job. Like we chose to do this. And just because of the discourse online and like the creeps that exist out there and like the things that we've heard, we were like, we don't want to create a digital footprint for them without their permission. If other people do that, what we say on our podcast every day is to each their own. There's no judgment. No judgment. Yeah. This is what we're doing. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. Hot takes, it kind of bothers me. Okay. So you know what? I was just having this conversation with somebody. I was like, no judgment, but like, I actually do judge. Yeah. So only because if you know what you know and still decide, to me, that's just like something worth judging. I know that's going to be such a hot take, but I kind of agree with you. Another hot take, what about what, from what I heard in California, they passing that law about 20% of your income has to be something for your kids. And then all these fucking family accounts are moving out because they don't want to share. Like that is so fucked up. It's so fucked up. Let's go. Let's get in. I'm glad we're saying this. Like I feel like even if everything we've heard about kids on social media, like let's say 90% of it is not true. The 10% is reason enough. Well, and especially having them here, I'm like, she is so precious, so iconic. I'm like, I need to protect her from everything. Yeah. And so I think the hardest part now is that she's so cute. Of course I want to share her, but I'm like out of like just protective motherly instinct. Of course. I'm sorry. No, you can't. Of course. And now being out with her in public, I'm just like, no one gets to look. No, we're a stroller head down. Yeah. That was the first time. And I know that won't be forever, but yeah. So like choosing to make John, when we were even pregnant with Leo, I was like, we'll figure out a way, like whether it's a bib or something to still act him up as a baby. It makes the videos so much fun. Yeah. But it's really, I think the fact that like she's a girl and like he keeps his mustache. I was like, this is great. And because again, like through all like the scans that we had, I was like, she's going to come out and be John's twins, which just makes sense. She is my twin. She looks exactly like me. Yeah. I'll show you pictures. Yeah. I'm like, do I need to take up a paternity test? Right. Because you know they say babies. John always looks like siblings though. So it's fine. Yeah. They always say that babies look like their dad and it's like nature's paternity test. But I guess you have an experience at John. No, not at all. I was like, no. Are you worried? Yeah. She's like light blue eyes. Well, my mom has. What is the neighbor? So does her male man. My mom, she has light blue eyes. I don't know. Like so genetics. I'm like, but I think that they'll turn. She's only three months. So I think that's just because I missed. She's three months. Yeah. Let's talk about new parent. Had I known you guys talk a lot about new parent on your podcast and I'm loving the clips. I'm always tuning in. Yeah. What has it been like? We actually have a question for you. Yeah. I saw one of your videos about sleep training. Yes. That's our issue. Very hot button issue. Yeah. Because we're getting there. Yeah. Of course. No, I'll connect you with my person afterwards. It's a sort of necessary evil. I think a lot of people have different feelings on it. There are a bunch of different methods. The cry it out method. You have to do what's right for you. Right. And that was what was right for me. Okay. And there are, I just saw somebody say this and it's so true. Like there are two different types of moms having like parents. Excuse me. Sorry, John. Having fundamentally different experiences. And that's like a six month old who sleeps through the night and a six month old who doesn't sleep. Right. And so just what type of experience do you want to have? Well, right. And so I think that that's where we're like figuring out is that we've talked to people and some people are just blessed with great sleepers. They're like, oh, my baby was sleeping through the night at six weeks. I'm just like, okay. And I just want to say like a baby who sleeps through the night at six weeks, like that's not normal. No. Like the baby up like, no. So I agree. But there are like, I, there are good babies and there are hard babies. Yeah. Do you have a hard baby or a good baby? No, she's really middle of the road. No. With sleep. With sleep. But like throughout the day, she's the chillest, the happiest, like all she wants is a boob. Like, and who I, yeah. And whom I to deny her my boob. Of course. And what is your journey with breastfeeding been like? Okay. I feel like because we went through such a horrible loss in trauma, like everything has truly just been so, but like so easy. I feel like we've been very blessed. God is taking care of her now. Yeah. Yeah. Because she came out, she latched like no pain. And so I just feel no pain. I mean a little bit, but I was like, she's biting your nipple. Yeah. But like nothing that I thought like I was expecting my nipples to bleed them to crack. It's a fall off. Like it really has been bad. Oh, the cracking is very real. Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, she's been really great. And you're doing exclusive boob. Yes. I mean, I'm pumping when like I have my mom watch her like right now, you know, she's off. Play mom. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks mom for being there. But other than that, yeah, I think it really just our problem has been with sleep. Like she likes to wake up. Also, also with that, we don't have to go on like such polar opposite ends of like you're they're letting them crowd for two hours. Like we do a little like a little crying. She could salt, soothe or shine back to sleep. I think that's like a good general like parent thing. Like middle, I'm like middle of the road on everything. I very rarely have like super strong feelings about one way or another. Like I'm currently contemplating ending my journey with breastfeeding. You have your how many months? He's almost seven months. Yeah. See that like I'm split between being like this is the best thing for him and me formula. Like I need to get skinny. Like I've had enough. And I just try not to like think in extremes, even though I'm like such an extreme person. I do feel like motherhood has changed me in the sense and maybe my husband would agree. I'm so chill. Now have to be have to be. Yeah. Even though like Ben called me on the way here to like tell me something so dumb and he picks up the phone. He said, Claude. And I'm like, Oh my God, what happened? He's like, Oh, I just found out how much this thing costs. I'm like, are you kidding me? I literally so I'm chill in some ways. True because we've had a lot of like just work opportunities so far to like and I thought I'd be like, Oh my God, let her be independent. Let me independent. Like I'll be fine leaving her like with it. Oh no. I'm like, she's either coming with us or I'm never leaving her side, especially breastfeeding. Yes. I just heard I was listening to a podcast where Michael Bostic said like, you don't know real fear until you become a parent. Like it's so crazy how like heighten your emotions are in so many ways. Think of everything. Yeah. Like yesterday. What happened? We went to the farm. The farm says the pediatrician. Oh, yesterday day before. The day before like heightened crying. Yeah. Well, not even just them crying, but like I see our heighten emotions. I don't know what's happening. I don't know what's happening to me. He's gearing up now. I'm like melting away. Especially your dad. Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen him. I actually, when we went to the pediatrician the other day, he started sobbing when Lucy started crying. I've not seen him cry that hard since we lost Leo. Yeah. And I was like, are you well? That's why I'm like, that's like, you're my favorite person. Lucy. I'm like, I don't know. No one else. Like many people. Yeah. But yeah, no, I feel like you, when you become a parent, you see every every, like what is it? Final destination. Okay. She's with my mom right now. Like mom, is she going to roll off the changing table? Like please do not count her. Like keep her alive. And I'm like, my mom did this with three of us. Like she'll be fine. Doesn't it make you have like so much respect for your mom? Like you see her in a new light. Yeah. My favorite thing is like, and I always am saying this because I feel like when women become moms, their career and work opportunities usually shift for the worst. I think you have passed up for a lot of opportunities if you're working in like a traditional corporate space. And so much about the internet is, and tell me if this was your experience too, like not only do you feel like you didn't like become irrelevant when you became a mom, do you feel like you've had more opportunities when it comes like new brands that you can work with and like just overall like new people being interested in your journey. It's been a net positive or negative on how you operate your business. So it's interesting that you say this because when we were, before we were going to announce our pregnancy, we were like, do people get more or less opportunities? We were so afraid of it hurting our brand because again, like we had gone through this loss. Now we were like back to being dinks again who and people loved us for that. And so I was like, are we about to shoot ourselves in the foot? But it has opened up more opportunities for us. But like in different ways, we also had heard though that if you don't show your kid on the internet, that might hurt you because people were like, you make so much more money when you're your kids. And we were like, listen, again, so fucked up, so fucked. And so we were like, we're not really just not picking up clients if they don't show their kid. Really? Yeah. We don't care. Again, this is our job. If it limits our income, we don't care. Like we're still not going to post her just because we want to make more money. And we have seen that like just and again, I don't know if it's because of like the way that we've positioned our content with making John Lucy that like it has been a positive. Yeah. And I find like I'm always now like even and I'm now I'm like mom talk. My FYP is just like all different moms. When I see like a mom, even if she has like three followers who doesn't show her kid, I'm following her. It's so hard to engage, make content that's relevant and funny without physically showing your kid you have to get like you guys said super creative. So I'm always if you if you don't show your kids online and like I randomly followed you, like that's why. That's why. Yeah. It's just it is what it is. Yeah. And again, when everyone else is doing it to your like, should I be doing this? Should I be following them? And like again, to your point, you just have to get creative in a way that feels right for you. And this is just like what felt right for us. Have you guys met John Mayer? I have. You have? Oh my God. Okay. I just have to explain to everyone you guys are besties like Internet besties but also real life besties with Kat, who's like a huge TikToker who's rumored to be dating John Mayer. Yeah. Allegedly. You met her online or you knew her before? You guys always give like you we met together. Yeah. No, no. She's my cousin. Yeah. I know you guys say that and I got duped to. Yeah. But you were joking. Yeah. So am I? Allegedly we're joking. But no, we met on TikTok via Instagram via TikTok friends. And then we were living in LA and she was visiting. She was a FaceTime. The first time we actually met her was FaceTime. Yeah. Before we had moved back to New York we were living in LA and she FaceTime me for the first time. And I was like, we had each other's numbers but have never really spoken. I'm like Kat Stickler FaceTime. And so I answer it and she's like what are you guys doing for Christmas? And I was like, oh we're just here. It was Christmas Eve and I was like do you guys want to come over? And so her and her boyfriend at the time came over and we spent Christmas Eve and we spent Christmas together because neither of us were near our families. And then it was just like you just hit it off with someone. Like there's an energy there. And so yes, we just like never stopped hanging out after that. And then you met John Mayer. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. 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You but you didn't even have fun, John. You literally like John literally. When can we leave? We had to catch a flight at six a.m. And we had to go to it. It doesn't matter, though, but like if you want to sit on springs and then we had to drive back to what's Odessa. It's like, I don't even know what genre. EDM house music. Oh, but John, does it really like that, though? What's your genre of choice? Because you're from the South. Are you make that up? He's not a country boy. I don't know. You know, I'm like a hybrid. No, he likes like an angsty teen music. Topper. Yeah. Yeah. I should be planning on a boy's like girls for Ben's birthday. You guys should come. Yes, we'll be there. No, see, like that's what John likes. Like he likes all that. Who was like, we have a story today about Spotify Wrapped, who was your number one artist this year? Oh, who was mine? I think mine was Taylor Swift. I listened to like Top 50. So Spotify Wrapped. I don't know what that is. I have a Sabrina Carver. You listen to like like in your car, just like the radio. I'll listen to anything. Serious XM or just like FM? No, like Spotify, like Billboard 100. Got it. Got it. You really not a particular guy. No, no, not a huge concert person. What are you passionate about, John Sports? Oh, I love that you're asking these questions because this is what I asked on every day. Always out seeing Ben like random things. I need eights of questions. A game, a game a little bit. Yeah, you game. I felt like ball in the South Shore. You play beach or? Yeah, down by the Salt Channel. I'm not a volleyball team. Bumpsets, bike. Not those are the things like hitting your ear. Like a really a bitch. Oh, and that impact. She hears this, honestly. She was like, seriously, one of the most evil concepts I've ever met in my life. That was me and my entire team senior year in our dance team in college. We quit because dances. So. Oh, yeah. No, it is. Did you go to NC State? Yeah. You? Radford, it's near Virginia Tech. Very cool. And did you play a sport in college, John? Inter murals. Are you athletic? I mean, I think so. It's a great answer. We always joke, though, that John has vanity strength because he can't hold Lucy for long. I'm not. It's hard. The the mom strength is real. It's crazy. It is. I'm just kind of waiting for my arms to reflect the strength that I currently feel internally. And it's just like what I'm feeling inside is not matching me outside. It's kind of frustrating. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're also exhausted. We're doing our best. So how many times is she waking up in the night? So actually, she's getting better, which is why I'm like, it's hard to complain. She remunces also just like a transitional period. Yeah. I've got to give her time. Well, it's like John. To answer with like how we divide stuff up. Yeah. Well, so we don't do night feedings anymore. And I was exclusively breastfeeding. So like Ben technically like could have slept through them and like wake up like I was hungry a lot. That was like when we were starving to feedings. And I had been like I would start the feed and Ben would make me a sandwich. And then Ben also would run my back because like it's backbreaking. Ben. OK. Ben. He's very supportive. No, John. But I also think like it's so I don't like to make blanket statements. Like if a woman is the one doing the feedings and not working and then the man's waking up at 6 a.m. to work. Correct. OK. You know what? We're dividing things up differently. Everyone's family is different. Well, Ben and I both have flexible jobs. Like, bitch, we're both waking up. Yeah. Especially because I don't even think the worst part of like the night feeds is necessarily like the tiredness. It's like being alone and sad. Like no, thanks. I'm good. Yeah. Well, and that's what we look, lady, and on the poop guy. But that's what we said to. Oh, I didn't change a diaper for the first like four months. Yeah. Well, that's what we said to because we both work from home. We have flexible schedules. Like we are doing this together. Like I do not want to work the same day as you the next day and you have an extra three hours of sleep. That's not equal. Yeah, no. So I agree. While I can't make blanket statements for everyone, I do think we have similar set ups. Yeah. Ben did diapers. I literally especially because I had a C section. I literally cannot get out of bed. I didn't like see rubies like Tushy. Or like and then you have to have Ben teach you how to do it. Because I was like, John, how do I change it? Yeah, especially with the bris. We had to like learn how to use because it was like a bandage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I tell you, I have no idea. I did not do it once. What's a bris? A bris is a ritual circumcision for a Jewish child. Yes, you know, you knew that. No, I mean, maybe you didn't know what it was called. Yeah, yeah, yeah. North Carolina, Virginia. Virginia. OK, still not like big Juville over there. No, but I mean, I've plenty of like. Of course, of course, I was an accusing. Why don't I? I didn't think so. I was just wondering, you know, where on Long Island would live in LA like the highest? Yeah, guys, I'm not worried about you. So my employers were Jewish. You're good. You're good. So you are joining me for the fast five. Are you 50? Yeah. Well, OK. We went to a concert. Yeah, we did. But like my thing is our tour when she was in LA, whichever were world stadiums. So fine. Did you guys do like a brand or you went tickets yourself? Yes, no. And that's where I'm saying like I can call myself to Swiftie to the point in that like I know her songs. I love her albums, but like I'm not going to spend two thousand dollars to go to a concert. You have to give her so much credit as an artist. So like her music is whatever to me, but watching her. Well, I don't care. That's OK. But watching her perform, she didn't stop for three hours. I think I pee like 15 times within the three hours she was on. Totally. Right. Whether you like her music or not, I'm like, wow, as a performer, that is wow. And then she did a wardrobe change in like two minutes. I'm like, how did you do that? You have no choice but to respect it. Right. Yeah. And so, yes, I love her. I mean, I don't understand the Taylor Swift hate that's out there or like really hate on like a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Because I have a few people like I understand. And I think they deserve more. Exactly. People who pose their kids on the internet. Literally. Yeah. OK, so I have a question for you guys. Yeah. You guys go by Alex and John. Yes. John, does that ever bother you? Why not John and Alex? I never started this. I was just going to say I started this. I don't always go by like I don't want it. Background and like filmmaking or anything. Yeah. So we were wedding filmmakers before. Kidding. No, yes. Did you film your own wedding? God, I wish I could have, but no. But like, oh my God, wait, I had no idea. Because your content is very elevated. You even film on an iPhone. We do. You do. People are shocked, but it's like the way. It is so supreme. Like if I ever like, I was actually thinking and you, I'm going to run this by you. The next time God willing, God willing, I get pregnant. Like I will be reaching out to you. I want you to direct a video for me. Yes. Your shit is so elevated. Thank you. So that's one of my proudest things is like our gender reveal video because like we did it on a Sina camera. Like because we have that background, like it's very easy for us. But when we started getting more busy doing the podcast, I was like, I can't do this editing alone. But it was one of those things that I was like, no one can edit how I can edit. But I have to give a shout out to one of my besties, Sean. He edits for us. And so he, we work together. He has a very similar style to me. So like he probably edits a decent percentage of our videos. Like I still do. It's important too when you reach a certain level to not do everything yourself. Yeah. Then it starts to get worse because I can't refuse to delegate. Yeah. Like it's, I just want you to know it's like it's coming through. Like it's really elevated. Thank you. I can't even think of who would like makes, who I would compare you guys to because it's really your sort of an elite of your own. Thank you. Yeah. But I think it's because we came from a background of filmmaking. So what's the background? Like the, did you study of like formal, how does it work when you become a videographer? Well, so my entire life I've been making videos. I was one of those like forcing my friends to do music videos with me when I was 12. And I like asked for editing software when I was 13. Oh my God. So like always wanted to get into filmmaking. But then I was like, I don't know if I really can. So I did communication media, environmental science and college. Didn't learn anything. Everything that you learn is going to be on your own in the field. A thousand percent. And so when I graduated, I worked for a film company doing pesticide documentaries. Such important work. Exactly. So I was in like all the farm states. And then after that, I started working for another wedding film company. And then I did some like nonprofit work with, you know, in Africa and filming. So like I did a lot of like behind the scenes was never in front of the camera. Met John. He saw my work was like, you have to start your own business. Yeah. So I was like, well, I can't do it alone. Trained him how to use a camera, do a little bit of editing. And then once so we started a business in New York doing weddings, small business. What was it called? Madison Gray Media, which is still active today. OK, slay. Yes. But we don't do weddings anymore. Of course, of course. Yeah. It's like an umbrella of like all of our business. Of your whole business. Yeah. That is so cool. Yeah. I had a feeling you had some sort of like formal background because it is so good. Thank you. And then so yeah, then we just like started TikTok and then that's no ball to now. We don't do weddings and we don't do it. No, of course, of course, of course. OK. That's Alex and John or should I say John and Alex? Yeah. Here we go. Alex and John's fine. She deserves it. Thanks, John. Are you guys ready for the past five stories? So ready. OK, the stories are really good today. I did try to pick them a little tailored to your needs. We have some like mom stuff. Well, but we were sharing our Spotify wrapped and so is Travis Kelsey and him and Jason are actually sharing where Taylor falls. It's kind of like awkward. Like, yeah, you know, another thing about it, like Ben's number one, like, wasn't my song. And that's hurtful. His was like simple plan or whatever. And so they shared. Jason did his Spotify wrapped on the podcast. His number two album was The Life of a Showgirl. His number one album was like some kids bop thing that his daughter's like, which I had never heard of it before. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys what like songs do you play on your Spotify? Like for Lucy? She hasn't liked any songs yet. The happy song. But because it's three if she's three months, I've played that for her. OK, she hasn't liked it. It was a I played that monkey, purple monkey song. Oh, I saw you guys have the purple monkey mat. That thing's legit. That's the only thing that it is the only thing a new parent needs. The I can't get anything done unless she's on that mat. One thousand percent. And I want to let you know. So Jackie bought it for me like right when I got home from the hospital. And I go, thanks. But like I'm not using it. You know, like I feel like a mat is like maybe for like a one year old. I also like didn't know anything. Same. Oh my God. That and you know what? That's that music's good. Like it actually some of these songs like you want to kill yourself. This one, I'm like, Bobbin and it's been like months and it hasn't started to bother me. The image in Heapsong, maybe three months is like a little early. Yeah. Stick with it. OK, because we have tried playing it in the car when she's screaming and it just makes things worse like so far. But like I don't mind that song. So I'm like, I'll just keep playing it and when you're fussy. And then it like puts me on an image in Heap like playlist and that bitch like she knows how to write a song. My question is, did she have a kid and she was like, I have to create something that is going to help. I'm so glad you asked. I went on like a chat, GBT. Yeah. Research. Because I'm like, she must make so much money from this song. Yes. Devastating. Ready? This song. She got paid by a brand. It was like a brand partnership. A brand wanted to create like the most like scientifically baby friendly song, so they paid her to make it. They own the song. It's like this UK baby brand I had never even heard of. I don't even think she made money beyond her fee. No, I know. The song has like a hundred billion streams. And that's why we're looking for a new lawyer. OK, so your Spotify rap. Like who are you into? Well, the toast was a four number one podcast. But it was nothing. Did you get the video? Yes, I did. Yeah. You guys are so cute. And I'm like, how? Whatever. I'm like, how did we get here one day? Well, like no one Spotify is not asking us to make a video with it. You guys have been doing your podcast for how long? Well, the thing is too long, but like we do it. We take breaks because we were either moving or too busy. And like we just I think our issue is we don't outsource enough. So that's like where again, we signed on with your media. Right. That's not my issue. What's your issue with the podcast is? What is your issue? To be honest, what we do as far as for social media, our videos, everything, that's our main bread and butter. Of course. So doing the podcast is kind of like it's hard because it takes like 90% of our time. Right. It's more. Yeah, it's very time consuming. So if it's not like your main revenue stream, I understand like you starting to hate it. Yeah, it takes 90% of our time, but it brings like 5% of our income. Yeah. Yeah. What is nice is like, I don't go to therapy. So us hashing stuff out on the on the pods nice like publicly. Yes. Well, that was my question for you. I get this a lot either working with my sister, but also working with my husband. People, it's like unfathomable to them. Do you guys think that it has benefited your marriage? Did you fight more? Did you fight less because you work together? I think it's benefited personally just because like we do our conflict resolution is so tight. Quick. Yes. No time to fight. But how would we even compare it to? Because I mean, we hit the ground running. We were dating when we started the company. Right. We were only dating for like nine months. And like because we started working together prior to doing social media together as well, like we already have the foundation of what it was like to work together, which I think was really helpful. But how long did you guys stay before you got married? Not long. Like we got engaged after a year and a half. It's like. Yeah. And then because it was like. And would you know, I was like, how old are you guys? So if you don't mind me asking 33, 38. OK, old man. Yeah. And how did you propose, John? Oh, we went on a hike in Hawaii. I had to make your hike. John hates hikes. He goes and so I go this man is for. She loves him. He hates champagne. He hates hikes. We get to Hawaii. He goes, hey, tomorrow morning, first thing in the morning, I think we should go on a hike and we should bring this bottle of champagne. I'm like, you're proposing. But OK, let's do it. So cute. We're nervous. Oh, yeah. Did you think she was going to say that? I was wondering if she was going to lose the ring. Yeah, of course. That's actually. I'm like, oh my God, I could not wait to hand that thing off. Yeah. Have you ever lost your egg? Is that the same one you've had? No, I didn't lose it. But last year after all of my traumas, I was like, I would like an upgrade. I think that's such a reasonable request. Yeah. And so, you know, and so I don't mind. I'm like, I'll take an upgrade. Of course. But do you have your original ring? I do. I'm still dealing with postpartum fingers, so I'm going. Yeah. And I did consider a few years ago changing it. I still like it. It was just like, I feel like I need a bigger one. Yeah, yeah. And then I decided ultimately not to. I don't know why I just would like I felt bad. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. You do decide to upgrade it. What would you do with your original? Great question. Because you could, you know, trade it in and have it go towards the price. Right. But I do think I would keep it. Yeah. I still have mine. And my plan is to do something with it and like add the burst stones of my children. So cute. Yeah. And no bad. No decision is a bad one. No. In my opinion. Yeah. So, you know, and then I upgraded John's too. It wasn't as much, but. Let me see. Just a little. A little bling. Yeah. Just no bling. He didn't want any diamonds. I was like, I could deck it out. He's wanted a little card here. No, it's a little girl. Yeah, yeah. Diamonds are for girls. I want to go back to T for a second because I have, I want to talk about Travis Kelsey. He. OK. He's been there for a second. Please. So on Travis and Jason's podcast. Well, I'm mixing them up. Jace, Travis said that he hasn't fought with Taylor in two years. Yeah. And then a George Clooney saying he never fought with his wife in ten years. I'm calling bullshit. Agreed. So by the way. How long have you and Ben been together? 100 years. Yeah. He fight every day. OK. And we've never been more in love. Just just to be clear. So that's like George Clooney's thing. He said a million years ago and people still asking me, said I swear, me and Amal have never had a fight. I'm like, OK, well, you guys aren't really married. Like everyone has fights. And so, of course, Travis brought that up and George is like, well, you and your girl like and when you watch the clip, he obviously just says it like, no, we don't fight. Like I don't think he was necessarily saying the truth. But George Clooney says to this day, him and his wife of ten years have never had a fight. I was talking about George Clooney. I agree. A liar. A liar. Did he always get divorced at one point? No, I don't remember that. The first time he was ever married was he was like this bachelor who would date girls, shout out to like, you know, Stacy Keebler, that girl kept it in check for many years, never got married. And then the one he decided to take it all the way with was Amal. I would, too. Yes, of course, that hair. I'm like, she's a queen. Did you experience any sort of like postpartum hair? After losing Leo, I did. Currently not now. But I was also like in such a state of like, like sadness and grief that I was like, it could have been that it also didn't happen until three months later. That is very common. Yeah. And so I'm currently still taking all the vitamins and everything, not just for breastfeeding, but I was like, I hope I don't lose my hair. But that is something I didn't even think about. Like all this sort of postpartum body things you have to go through. Yes. Still, still, even though you experience a loss. Yeah. That's terrible. Yeah, it was horrible. And it wasn't like, you know, and I, I hate like, I don't want to compare losses, but like you can't help but like when you lose. Girl, come here. Yeah. Like so I was very grateful as the things I was trying to find and be grateful for after my loss that it wasn't a full term loss because I felt like I was still able to heal everywhere else relatively quickly, but like still dealing with, you know, milk coming in and like postpartum hair loss. But yeah, I can't imagine like having a full term loss. Like there's just so many horrible things that, you know, and us also knowing that we were high risk, it wasn't like the rug was completely pulled out. You were high risk in your first pregnancy. Yes. You might have asked why. Yeah. So we actually had an issue with the. Like blanking. Two vessel cord. We had a two vessel cord of the elementous cord insertion and so the placenta and the umbilical cord, which are the lifeline to the babies. Yeah. Most important things. And of course, like when it's that early on, everyone's like, just wait, we're not sure. We're not sure. And then it just snowballed into so quickly. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Um, but yes, Amal and George claimed they'd never fight. What's your guys's like fighting frequency? Would you say we banter? Probably when we are like, it's a banter. Cause what's a fight? You know, fight is like sleeping on the couch. I feel like it's very healthy to disagree to even just like debate or you know, there's different categories. When we actually have a fight, it's when we, when something new happens and we're trying to figure that out. It's like when we first started the company, when first moving to LA, first having Lucy, like navigating new waters, figuring out job role, like who's doing what and. But after that, it's, it's really nothing. But I feel like we banter about something every day, but like maybe someone would think it's a fight. Like people talk on our podcasts and they're like, or comment or even like in our videos that are skits and they're like, do you guys hate each other? Or like, do you guys fight all the time? Why are you yelling at each other? I'm like, would you listen to the podcast if we weren't debating or are you? Like it'd be so. We're just agreeing. Yeah. Totally. I get that a lot. Um, when Ben and I podcast together, you said, I'm not going to bother me a lot in the beginning. People being like, Claudia, you're so mean. I'm like, bitch. You tried to be nice. Like it's so annoying. Um, and so I see how like, but then also I do see sometimes people who like fight on their podcasts who literally should not be married. Yeah. But you can like, you can feel the energy of like people who actually hate each other and people like love each other. I don't know. Maybe it's just like a love language thing, like or the personality thing. Like, sorry, I'm going to poke fun at people I love. Like, sorry. Yeah, exactly. I'm just like fighting with a level of respect too. You're not like low, but lowing each other. OK, there's there's yes. Yes, that's true. That's true. OK, huge news. Jen Chasman released from prison. She ended up serving thirty three months for her telemarketing fraud scheme, where she, you know, attacked vulnerable communities, both the disabled and the elderly, stole all of their life saving. Some of them went on to kill themselves. And here she is just spending a cool thirty three months in prison. It was very. It kept getting decreased. So she ended up spending two years, nine months, and twenty three days in prison. And I do believe her original sentencing was around like six to eight years. So she, you know, made off pretty well. Yeah, she that was quick. How much money did she take? Well, I don't know what the total sum was, but she would like, you know how you get like those fraud telemarketing schemes like she was literally running a huge one. OK, so what speaking of did you get? John is the perfect candidate. Oh, you're a horrible. Oh, yes, 100 percent. Like, Jen would love him. Yeah. Jen and John. I was like, John and Jen. We get a discount on our internet if I pay with gift cards and I go hang up the phone. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, Alex, he goes, this is the worst time. Not everything is a scam. And I go, you know what? You're trying to buy our house in New York and that scam hit my credit, fucked my credit up. And then I couldn't. So you went through with it. You did buy the gift card. No, I didn't buy the gift card. But I gave them all my information. And so then it's still any money. They they racked up like a Verizon bill that I never knew. They bought like a 10 cell phone. Oh, wow, you've really been the victim of like major scam. Oh, and like, but he's always so close. Like even to trust where the. So that happened. And then he's like, oh, my God, I need a scam protector account. Like because his identity, his identity had gotten stolen, not from the gift cards, but from something else. His identity had gotten stolen. And so he's like, I'm looking this up. He gets another call from this, like other stuff. I call to stop picking up the phone. I called every time I. I got scanned again, trying to call like an anti scamming, like something like a McAfee or something. Right, right, right, right. Like Norton, whatever. Yeah, so funny. I've never personally gotten scammed. Ben has fallen so close twice. One time when we were super young, he's like the IRS called me. They say like, oh, well, it's money. I'm like, OK, sweetie, the IRS doesn't call. They send mail. And then the second time was actually quite recently. And they're getting really smart, these scammers. Especially with AI. So Ben for Spritz, they have like a lot of regional sales people in all different states. And they get gift cards every month to cover Spritz expenses, like gas and whatever. And so one of them like texted like, hey, sorry, texting for my wife's phone, like can you send whatever. And Ben was, I don't believe I don't remember if he actually sent it, but they literally knew that Ben, he was like, hey, is this Ben from Spritz? Like the scammers are like smart. It's really frightening. Yeah. So not wood. I haven't fallen prey. And I'm like a very savvy person, but I still get close sometimes. So you can only imagine how Gencha's victims were feeling like. Yeah. Old elderly veterans. Like seriously, she's a disgrace. Well, the fact that she is someone in the public eye who does not meet. Why are you scamming people? You always do feel like, well, that happens a lot on Housewives, where it's like they become famous and become even more criminal. It's like, girl, more people are watching you now. Exactly. It's sort of like this. Wow. Trainwreck that just happened. Do you guys feel like as freelancer, content creators, it's so hard to pay your taxes. My biggest fear is going to jail. And I wrote the story of my book, but like a few years into my career, I had gotten a letter from the IRS that like the IRS is like three or four years delayed. So it was like three years ago, you underreported your income. And it was like a hundred thousand dollars and then ninety nine thousand dollars in penalties. It was interesting penalties because it's three years. It doubles it. And so ever since then, I'm I overpay my taxes. Like I'm fucking. Yeah. I try to find the hardest thing. Well, not that there's really anything hard about what we do. Right. But is getting your affairs in order once you become like successful and you start paying your bills, because it's really confusing. Well, and especially your own company is so difficult. Yeah. But we have an accountant and like we love him. He's great. But like we kind of had to like learning row together because he's like, I'm so confused. So you're working for a company that operates out of here, but you guys are here and then you traveled here. And so it was who knows. I hope the IRS still does a couple of that's like your first content creator, influencer to go to jail. And if it's me, just now, I didn't do it on purpose. Yeah, it's so confusing. I'm like, please just give me a second chance. Like tell me what I owe and then I'll pay it. Like I'm not doing it on purpose years later. And then you accrue so much penalty and interest fees. It's criminal. Oh my God. That happened to me. Yeah. Alex, I don't even know why Alex is talking about. She knows literally nothing about it. Well, no, but I know that we store our account. I over here and I'm like, John, these are the questions that you need. OK, if you want to know, yeah, we're paying like a outrageous amount of taxes. Yeah, of course. We'll never go to jail. No, that's the thing. It's like, while I'm sad about the loss of money, I feel comforted knowing that I. Yeah. For this, I won't be going to jail. It's worth it. Going to jail is my big. What's your biggest fear? Because that's mine. Oh, sharks is for yours. That's OK. That's very Bethany, Hamilton, Coden. Probably now something happening to, of course, I mean, my daughter. But you're like outside of the normal years of life. I like heighten. Oh. Like eating something that's going to make me shit my pants. Oh, that's true. Have you guys ever had an auto virus? No. Yeah, I always shit my pants. That's true, John. John is just IBS, but he thinks is normal. Did you see that about that poor girl on the plane who got so sick on the plane? And they had to like was it you know, it was a woman. She had locked herself in the bathroom. Oh, it was a viral video that this girl was talking about her experience, how she like got neuro virus and like had it. And they had to like cancel the flight after because she blew up the toilet. It came in like a biohazard team. But she was like the way that she told the story was hilarious. It went viral a few months ago, I think. But I screen time. I had higher screen time before having Lucy. But like when I'm breastfeeding to like try to like connect with her. But I'm like, if she's asleep, just like drinking out my boo, like I'm going to scroll. Did you watch Kardashians? No, not really. You know, Courtney is like this very like sort of extreme attachment parenting style. Mom, she breastfeeds her kid is like three. They still co-seem like she's really extreme. And she brought on this like I think she's like this controversial. I've seen our videos online about like co-sleeping. She's this very controversial attachment parenting advocate. And while I don't attachment parent, I do breastfeed, which is considered attachment parenting. And she was talking about how it's like, like you shouldn't be on your phone scrolling while you're breastfeeding. I'm like, wait, I know I saw that. And I was like the first three months of Lucy's life. Like I've ruined her. And Courtney was like, even when they're like sleeping, she's like, you really should be present. How am I supposed to stay awake? When I was mean, that's so boring. I'm not concerned about I saw. And that's like when I get things done. Of course. Continue to be. The MRI when they have like babies' skulls or because they're so thin and like your phone. OK, we'll find I'm crawling out here. Lauren Bostic is always talking about like how her phones in the other room, like no phones around the babies, Bluetooth headphones, like all that. I feel like if I get started on that stuff, like I'll never stop. Yeah, I just that's what I'm saying. Like I'm not extreme on a lot of things. I'm very middle of the road. Yeah. So it's like, well, no, I'm not putting the phone up to his ear. I'm going to scroll, tick, tock. Yeah. Well, your nursery, if you want to talk about that, it's like your nursery is basically a fucking MRI machine. Yeah. There's your camera. As you have, right, right. Can't be concerned about everything. And you're right. Like otherwise, like you'll just go crazy. And some things I'm not willing to give up, like the nanit. Like no one's going to convince me that the nanit is anything but incredible. Oh, my gosh. See, and that's like where I'm like, OK, maybe we do need to move her to her crib eventually because like she's currently in the bassinet. Yeah. How long is she again? She's three months. She literally just turned three months. So I think I moved Ruby at like four. OK. So and I just told the story on Friday. So when we had went to the doctor, I think at the four month checkup and she was asking about sleep, she was like, you know, at this age, they become a little bit more alert. They start seeing a little bit. And while the bassinet is lovely, you might actually now be keeping her up. Right. Because human beings sleep quite loud, that you move around a lot, you snore, you fart, you get up to pee. And so that's me. That's literally this morning when she's still sleeping. John is slamming everything. I'm like, can you shut the fuck up? Why are so loud? OK. Yeah. But that's Lucy's mama and like Lucy actually comforted by the sound of her snoring. Thank you. I just feel like, you know, I feel like both of you. Do you guys know Alex Earl as fellow TikTokers? Of course. That's the only reason I watch Tansy with the Stars and the Mormon moms. So smart on their on their part. Totally. What do you make of her and Braxton's breakup? I'm first of all, is it real? Well, Pages is claiming not only is it real, but they have the reason. Here's what they say that Alex wants to spend more time in L.A. while Braxton lives in Florida, but also plays for the Houston Texans. The pair realized they were going apart as a couple as they spent less and less time together, the source previously told Pages six that their breakup after two years was distance induced. I'm sure because I can't imagine being an NFL wife or girlfriend and like with that schedule. And I'm again, if long distance works for you, great. But I want to be with my partner. Have you guys ever done long distance? No. No. Yeah. I had the New York quarterback already like went into her messages. So that was fake. She commented being like the screenshot is fake. And I would also never post that on my close friend's story. OK. Yeah. When I saw it, I was like, oh, my God, I wish I was on Alex's or else close friend's story. Oh, how do we get there? I know. Well, she does follow me back. And I feel like sometimes when I meet people, then they add me to their close friends. Also, if I add them, that's true. You have to meet people first because I'm like, I don't want to be added or add people. I also don't have close friends at all. Because I'm like, what do I post on it? I know. And like, I have close friends and like maybe I literally only post about like wanting ozempic because people are like, can you please stop talking about it? So I'm like, fine, I'll post it in my close friend's story. OK. I have a question. Also, would you post your son on close friends? No. Yeah. OK. Because I have seen a couple of times where someone's close friend story has gotten leaked. And that's my biggest fear. Yes. So I was so I we did a whole recap of the Brooks Nader show. Love Thy Nader. And then she followed me back and animated her close friend story. And let me tell you, that's an amazing close friend story. Like it's better than you guys would expect. And one thing about me, I'm not going to kick it off. I will never tell you guys what's on it. And I actually got added the other day. And that's the thing. It's an honor to. It's like a secret club. Like you can't talk about a close friend story. I just got added to Dorothy Wings. Let me tell you, like, you think she's rich. Her fucking close friend story is insane. And then also what I do, because I'm a psycho. Yeah. I started to add like very famous people to my close friend story. Yeah. Hey, let me be watching my close friend story, because I feel like when you when the green circle comes up, you go to the person's like front of there. Yes. And then I also added Gwyneth. She watched it once. But after that, like, this is actually so smart. Now I need to add people like new tools that you have. Who's the most famous person who follows you guys or has like interacted with your videos? So the amount of name dropping you just did, I think I know one fucking person. It was like that was so quick to just ripped off like 10 names in 30 seconds. Close with Joey. We love him. Yes, we were on Snooki and Joey's podcast last year. And so he has the same question. And I was yeah, you weren't Joey's. But that was like the best day of his life. I love Joey. But she was like, who's the most most famous person? I was like, you like you are the most iconic. Yes. Well, that is the nicest thing you call me famous. Like that means the world to me. And second of all, I just feel like that's not true. How many followers do you guys have? Three something. But which is your biggest platform? It's not like Total or not TikTok? No, it was. But it was kind of like dead. I don't want to say that I love to talk. But it's like it doesn't grow how it used to. I also think for the type of content that you guys make, like those people are real people. Yes, they are. And on Facebook. Oh, yeah, like we I know it's crazy. It's crush on Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah, we do. Yeah. So how many followers do you have on TikTok? Almost three, two, eight. Yeah. And then Instagram three. Three. And then Facebook, like the Facebook reals go viral. Yeah, it's like a million there. Oh, that's sick. Do you make money off of Facebook? A lot. You're kidding. The most. You need to be posting on Facebook. Wait, I know. What? Yeah. Is there a sense like the Is higher. Is higher. Like Reels, Pennies. Right. Are you on the creator program? Yeah, but none of our videos are over a minute. Right. And so that's not. We don't make our money from views. Right. It's ridiculous. And same thing like on YouTube. We don't make our money from views. Yeah. It's like brand deals, partnerships. And so you post all of your content to Facebook. Yeah. And then you get paid out by Facebook. Yeah. And they have like the best rate. Uh-huh. That is so interesting. Yeah. You got to do it. Do you not have the toast there? No. Do it. Write it down. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. Well. Snapchat person. Okay. So I know. Heard Snapchat too. I heard Snapchat is just like literally paying creators out the ass to make content. And while I'm extremely financially motivated, you know, I can famously be bought, I just feel like I'm like, I juggle. I'm like, you can't do everything. I know. You can't do everything. I can't do everything. And that was it too. Like when we got into this, it was like, do we want to become vloggers also? And I was like, I'm so tired. No. I actually think that's such an under, like done thing. I think when people create a following somewhere, they're like, OK, well, I'm going to be a podcaster. I'm going to be a YouTube. I want to do vlogger. And so they do a lot of things in a mediocre way as opposed to like two things really well. Exactly. So I actually really respect that. And I think it's important to know what you're good at. And like, it's OK to just be one thing. Yeah, and do it well. Exactly. Yeah. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Minky Kator, the Birkenbag of blankets. You will never want another blanket after you get a Minky Kator blanket. 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They're offering a free trial, and then when you're ready to launch, go to squarespace.com slash toast to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. So Alex and Braxton, broken up. Who do you think she's gonna date next? Do you have any single friends? Do I have any single friends? Yeah, I mean. But the thing is, I feel like athlete-wise, like I feel like that would be good if it may be a retired athlete. I knew, cause she's so famous. I know. And she's beautiful and talented and gorgeous. I'm actually afraid she could date whoever she wanted. Are you against her dating someone in the space? I am, I am. It's just not the vibe. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think it needs to be A-list. Also not saying that people in the content creators space. No, that is what she's saying in the team. Yeah, yeah. I agree. She is, I feel like, A-list. She's A-list. I also, I love Robert. I really wanted out, Swim, but I get it. He stole the hearts of that. Of course he's gonna win. He stole, well, we had Prince William. Yeah. Let me ask you guys a question. My favorite question to ask you at the toes. Who's your celebrity crush? Oh, John, is yours changed? Yeah. It's changed. Yeah, I feel bad. It used to be who? Kate Beckinsett. And then I just saw a video of her. I don't know, how do I answer that? She's like a little kooky. Yeah, she's like a little deaf. She said something about her daughter's boyfriend or like something about eggs. Like he's at home putting seeds in her. Something weird. She said something weird on like a talk show. So do you have a replacement or you're still thinking? I'm still thinking. Fabio? I think we've mentioned her a lot. That's a good one. I'm giving him his. I'm like, remember? You love her. My sister's keeper or something, what's the show? Yeah, yeah, but no, my sister's keeper was Cameron Diaz. That was also a very sad movie. Her and her sister. Oh, Petter's sister. Petter's sister, yeah. Mine is Jason Mimowa. I love him. That's an amazing one. I love him. You watch Game of Thrones? Yes. I just felt like and then he. I watch him in Chief of War. Oh my God, he's just a conhead like tree. And who do you guys get told that you look like? Bob's burgers. Who? Bob's burger. That's a great one. That I either get Lauren Lapkus or. Who's that? Spencer, she's the wrong Missy. Do you get Troy and Bellisario? Yes, all the time. Really? Literally, I get it all the time. I do think that we could be related. You look like Troy and Bellisario. I don't see myself in Troy and. I get Snooki a lot too. Oh, really? Yeah, I see Troy. What was the name of the first one? Lauren Lapkus. But I think because I also like have that wrong Missy energy where I just like don't care about the faces that I make. Lauren Lapkus. Yeah, I'm seeing it. Yeah, that's a good one. OK, but the model story is some mom drama. Wait, is that it? I feel like we're so quick. I don't know. You're right. I forgot a story. Oh, Howard Stern is hitting back at Kim Kardashian. So on the most recent episode of Kardashians, she went to trial in Paris for the robbery. And she was saying how like one of the hardest parts at that time was like so many people did not believe her. And she literally called out Howard Stern, meaning like he would like joke on his radio show that I made it up or that it was like an insurance thing. And Howard Stern is not taking this criticism lying down. He's like, no, I didn't. And on his show, they played a clip from 2016 where he was like, you know, people are saying this is fake. I don't think it is. He literally said he doesn't think it is. Now he did select one clip and he selected it like he does a show every single day. Right. This was the biggest news story for a whole year. I don't feel like Kim would have come out swinging against Howard Stern unless he really did it. So I stand with Kim. Yeah, I agree. Also like how are you going to, even if she did make it up? Like why are we victim blaming here? I know. And the thing is when a celebrity makes something up and like the journey to finding the truth, like you have to be really sensitive. We always talk about how like the first person to doubt Jesse Smollett was probably getting so much hate. And it wasn't until like some real evidence came out that like they were vindicated. But it's kind of a crazy thing to say, especially if it's not true. And it is my firm belief that Kim like actually was held up like I'm just, you see some of it was not. So I'm kind of like off Howard Stern. He was my fave for a while. I loved his book. He's just like pissing me off recently. And I'm just not into it. I never really listened to him anyway. So I'm still around. I remember him from. Really? I remember Comedy Central when he was on there and then. He is like the biggest radio show in the world. Yeah. Like still. Still. People love him. Like people die for him. And he's in so many homes. That's actually what his book was about. It was during the 2016 election. And he was like, he was dying to get Hillary on dying, dying, dying. And he said, I'm in the home of 60 million Americans. The fact that she didn't come on. He literally the whole thesis of his book was she lost because it was kind of a crazy thing to say. Wow. Yeah. And I do think it probably would have had an impact. But I think it was kind of like a little overestimation on his part. I guess like a lot of people are still commuting and like. Yeah. No, it's true. And he really is the biggest thing there. And what they said, like when Howard Stern leaves Sirius XM like Sirius XM might not survive. Like all the people who subscribe to Sirius XM are paying for Howard. Interesting. What do you guys listen to besides the toast? Like podcasts, radio? Depending on who they have, I do like smart lists. And I know. Wow. Yeah. I know. You can see yourself out. I know. I'm sorry. But like you guys are number one. The thing is, smart lists like is good. I think the documentary they did was really fascinating. I agree. Especially because we're all in that space of pocket. Why black and white though? I don't. Oh, yeah. That really pissed me off. Agreed. I still make hers. Yeah, no. I did not like that. I did not like that. Jason Bateman's idea. He's like, let's make it artsy. We'll get into a film festival if we do black and white. Interesting how much they talk about food. I feel like that's such a girl thing. Like to talk extensively about food. But the conversation is actually how the way he is. You think what? Like how Bateman was acting. Yeah. He is his character. He's annoying. Like I found him annoying. I listen for their guests. Yeah, right, right, right. So you don't tune in every. I love that. If I want to be as good. Good time with Amy Huller. Yeah, I love her too. So just get the best. Yeah. Like people who don't do podcasts. But I love her energy. Me too. I also think people really like her. That's the thing. I think it's almost like random people, celebrities. Not even the most famous celebrities who have like the biggest, like Dachshund is not that famous. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think celebrities happen to really like him in a personal way. And I think it always really helps. Yeah. But I like business ones and then also crime ones. But like. Business. OK, business. Like what? Yeah. Well, depending on again who it is or what the topic is, Mel Robbins, I just feel like sometimes she has great takes. What were some other ones? Like. Do you believe in the let them theory? I do. But I feel like it's in that common sense. I agree. Like, of course. Yeah. No, it was packaged really well, like her whole thing. Yeah. The crux of it was like, so you don't give a fuck. OK, cool. Yeah, same. Right. Like I don't. I didn't need a whole like spiel. A great or a buck movement on it. Yeah. But like she's not wrong. And like she's getting it. Girl. Yeah, right, right, right. So like I'm not going to hate on it. The podcast or do you like listening to other podcasts? I can say with confidence. I don't think I've ever listened to a podcast start to finish. I like video podcasts. Yeah. I can't do it. It takes a lot of time. It's the same way like when I was doing stand up, I really did not like to watch stand up specials because like I don't like I don't want it in my brain. And then like if I'm saying a joke, I might like repeat it. Do you know what I mean? Being influenced by someone else. I don't want to start copying other people subliminally. So I actually really do not listen to podcasts. Yeah, that's smart. Fifth and final story. I'm obsessed with this story. And it makes me want to ask you a question. Are you in any like mom Facebook groups? No, should I be? I'm not either. They're so toxic. And this thing is going viral from the Upper East Side to soccer mom group. So this woman wrote a post and it went super viral. So she said, my son is joining a travel soccer team. He's never flown commercial and I haven't flown commercial in a while. Would it be wrong of me to fly my to fly private while my son flies with the team in coach? I know that parents often serve as chaperones. So I'm thinking of hiring his former nanny to serve as the chaperone. Am I a bad parent? I want to support him, but I want to be comfortable and not travel coach and stay at holiday ends. I feel like it's OK and actually better that he gets exposed to flying commercial. The comments were like, oh, I've dealt with this. Like it wasn't. It was so crazy. Some other woman was like, yeah, you know what? If you actually fly the coaches, you will get more playing time for your son. Like it's sort of and the screenshot. So out of touch. Right. These groups are also famously private. Like if you know toxic Facebook culture, we used to have like the craziest fucking Facebook group. If you screenshot something, they'll find out who it is. They'll kick you out. So a lot of things like this don't get leaked. Right. But I guess this one was so absurd. And the comments were like not putting this woman in check. It was being like, yeah, let me get it. I was just going to say, if it's an upper east side group, like I'm surprised that the whole team is in flying private. Well, not only that, I need to get in the screw. That was my take. Like I'm obsessed. When can I catch a flight? Yeah, because I kind of like if I'm of that people, like I kind of understand the question here. This woman do. You know, like her son's on the team. Her son has to fly coach. The son needs a chaperone. It's not going to be her. So yeah, hi to the former nanny. I think she's very sound of mine. Well, if you're going with the whole team, why? Why do you need a chaperone with the whole team? That's a good point. I don't need to be there. Totally. And if this kid is like 12, you're good. You're good. Like three months, I'm coming. No, of course. With diapers. Yeah. Breast food. My mom has to do it. Like he's not breastfeeding anymore. He's good. He's not on a plane. We're about to. How long? Five hours. LA? Vegas. I don't know why I'm repeating it. We're doing it together. What are you going to Vegas for? Work trip. OK. We're going to go, I'm like holding on to your leg as if like I'm so nervous. Just to remind you that he's here. Yeah. Emotional support leg. Right. I also forgot he was here for a minute. Like he's just. If you guys want to breathe and turn my way, that's perfect too. Right. What are we doing there, John? Work trip. Work trip. But we're kind of. I want to keep her home. I want to keep her home. No. No. Take her with you. Exactly. I can't leave her behind. We flew for the first time to LA, which was. Middle of October. He was maybe five months. Four months. How did it go? The younger they are, it's so easy. She will eat and sleep the whole time. Like it's literally like it's not hard. Yeah. I've done a couple of flights since then going back and forth to Florida to see Jackie. And each time we go, the older he is, it gets harder and harder. OK. I know what I would think that going to Florida is easy. Like it's. Yeah. It depends on the time. Like you're going to be completely fine. Feed her when you take off. Feed her when on the way down. Feed her anytime she starts crying. Just feed, feed, feed. Sleep, sleep, sleep. OK. Like she's not on any sort of schedule yet. Is she? No. You're fine. She'll sleep and eat the whole time. It's actually quite easy. OK. Yeah. I just like don't want her to get sick. I know she's going to get sick. Sir, and that's why you know, like the most amazing thing you could do for a baby. No, feed her. Oh, feed her. Like when you give her a kiss, if you get like a bacteria, if there's like a germ on her face, you will kiss the germ. And by the time you feed her next, you will have created an antibody for that. Like the best thing you could do is feed her. She won't let go. And John can't rub my back. Like, yeah. All I know is she gets sick on blaming Alex. No, if anything, I'm blaming you. And I'm the one who's going to be healing her. Alex, like, can't get her sick. You can. Exactly. So you're the problem. Yeah, Alex literally can't get her sick. But anyway, so should we fly her private? No, we're not. We're flying commercial. But yeah, that's an option. Yeah, right. But we will not. Maybe when she's 12, like we'll send her off with her soccer team. Yes, of course. Of course. Kids do need to rough it. I like that this mom is like, well, the kid can fly. Because she's right. The kid should be exposed. Yeah. But she's like, for me, I love that. I don't know. I don't really blame her. You like if you can work yourself to a place that like you don't have to fly. Coach, why should you? If you're the financial man, I guess I could. People who are going to be like, this is so fucked up. Whatever. I mean, well, we're not in that position. So I feel like, OK, talk about it. Because if I was, I wouldn't want to speak on it because I'd feel like tone deaf. Of course. If you have the means to do that and anyone who's shitting on these people, if they're in that position, they would do the same thing. Of course. If you have an ungodly amount of money, why am I going to torture myself? The kid doesn't want you on the flight anyway. He wants to hang with his friends. Yeah. I'm more annoyed that you have him in travel sport. That's a whole other thing. I have an issue with travel sports. I play travel sports when I was a kid. You did. Yeah. Because I'm an athlete. Of course. Athletic. So there's a whole thing on TikTok and Instagram now, parents are talking about travel sports. Is it good for the kid or is it not? Because they don't have any downtime. They're not spending time with their family. I'm not going to put you in four fucking sports and you're around. We're in a different state. Everybody thinks their kid is going to go pro. What was your experience? That's another thing. Why do parents do that? I'm going to live vicariously through my kid. My kid's the one that's going to make money. It's so coach-bolting. It's so stupid. Yeah. What do you guys' favorite movie is? Oh, great. Favorite, probably, Ryan. Never seen it. What? I know. I know. Really? Yeah. People are going to hate me for this, but I love it because of just the filmmaking and the storytelling and the comedy. But I love Wolf of Wall Street. I do love it. That's a great answer. OK. Yeah. I thought you were going to say The Revenant. Oh, no. No. Which I literally didn't understand. No, like artistic movies that win Oscars, I hate. I didn't like it. I'm very much like Hollywood. They need to give a nod to Leo for an Oscar, though. I mean, Inception, Amazing Movies, Shutter Island, Amazing Movies. Of all the movies he's been nominated for, probably the worst one is The Revenant. I literally love the theater. I was so confused. Yeah, no. And it looks like he was getting like, there was this scene he's like attacked by a bear. I thought him and the bear were having sex. And I was like, this is weird. I feel like they just were like, we need to give him something. Of course, because we messed up. But like, yeah. You can go. Like all the movies, like that's the one. Even in Wolf of Wall Street. Which is the only other, yeah. Catch me if you can. Yeah. Yeah. That's such a good movie. So yeah. I don't know. I like very, John says I like the worst movies. Well, I'm going to gauge up. What's your answer to that? OK. So I have a few. I don't feel like you could just say one. But I was here's my top five. Mean Girls. Love. Clueless. Legally Blonde. Romney and Michelle's High School reunion. That's enough. So good. I haven't seen that in a movie. And see, Romney and Michelle is probably my most quoted movie. We talked about it at late yesterday with Joey because he was like, I'm the Mary. You're the road. I'm like, are you quoting Michelle and Romney? Do you feel like you're more of a Romney or a Michelle? See, but I haven't watched in a million years. And that's why I need to like do a refresh. Because I forgot about that. First of all, and I actually think you would like Romney and Michelle's High School reunion. I like Mean Girls. Yeah. Mean Girls is the best. We've built for Mean Girls all the time. And I feel like stepbrothers. I feel like those classic comedies, I can never. If I'm going to make a movie, I feel like I wanted to have the impact that Mean Girls had. But does that exist anymore? Can people? Or bridesmaids? I know. Can that exist? The way, the cultural impact of Mean Girls, especially on girls our age, the way my whole worldview is shaped by Mean Girls. I don't know what that says about our generation, but it is the truth. And you're right. I think with movies and streamers, like nothing is impactful anymore. Like it's viral for a couple of minutes. Maybe Barbie. But yeah, but I have a hot take on Barbie. Yes. Yeah. But OK, so we have bridesmaids, Mean Girls. And then, oh, what I was going to say is that, what's her name? Oh my god, I can't even think of her name right now off the spot. Who? She was a notebook the same year. Rachel McGat. Rachel McGat is. Yeah. How she did both of those in the same year. That's right. I need her and more things. I know. She's a detective. Good show. She was also in Spotlight. Did you see Spotlight about the Catholic Church? No. Covering up. So good. Stanley Chuchu was also in it. Did we? I feel like I watched one of his products probably on my top five. Yeah, that's so good. Can't wait for that. That genre of like early 2000s. Not Mean, but like. Movies that feel like a movie. Yeah. Movies that feel like. I'll lose a guy in 10 days. Great movie. Got things I hate about you. Great movie. There's also someone talking about Netflix. Yes. Totally. People talk about now like movies that have Netflix lighting where it's just like the quality is too good. It's too crispy. Like we need to scale back the quality of our cameras so that it feels nostalgic and like I haven't seen it away. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. What's called Netflix lighting. Yeah. Where it's just like movies that feel too real. All just like a David Dobrik vlog. Yeah. It's so who are your favorite creators? Like. Oh yeah. Who do you follow? I actually saw David Dobrik once. Equinox in LA. And. Oh yeah. It was a little annoyed. You were annoyed? Yeah. Because I'm there's one leg press machine and no shit on him but he was sitting on it on his phone. He had 145 play on each side and I'm just waiting. And he was he actually using the machine or just sitting there. He's fucking on his phone. I was like. He didn't use leg pumps. No that's annoying. You weren't even there. Don't. I literally. I was on the Stairmaster. And I was like. Hey at some point. They're saving. That's annoying. Can I get on there? Yeah. Get on there for like 30 minutes. Not doing anything. Hey when you say I wasn't there I was there. Alex likes to tell stories a lot of times when she's not there. She's like just because I can tell a story better than you which I know you can. You are a bad storyteller. I want to say I do identify here. Yeah. With Alex. Thank you. Because even if I wasn't there I've heard the story enough times to tell it better. And just sort of get to the point when it comes to Ben's storytelling ability. Oh to sum up this podcast I know you guys are very compatible. Like there's I don't I think anyone in this room knows that you two are perfect. I'm sorry that like we can capture a room with a story. And then you just don't have to room suck all the air out of the room. Whatever. John you're just. I would love to know if you and Ben would get along. Oh yeah. You did. Yeah we. Oh it's. But he was busy. He was like he was like you know having to do his rounds. Yeah exactly. OK. Well we'll have to get together. We'll shoot really well. I was just yeah. Him and Josh Peck have a. Yes they hold a weekly podcast. Josh a couple times too. Oh yeah. In like at events. Yeah. Josh is so nice. So nice. Were you also of like Ben. How old are you. You're 38. So Ben's 33. And like for him growing up like his idol was Josh. Like he loved Drake and Josh. It really I didn't even realize because Jackie's husband too. Like that was sort of how like Hannah Montana for me like raised me. Did you ever go to the Hannah Montana concerts. Of course I did. It was the first concert I went to best of both worlds. Yes I went to Miley at the National Coliseum. You met her. No. Oh wait oh wait I thought you just said you met her sorry. Yeah yeah yeah. She was the one at the National Coliseum. Yeah so did I. Okay. That was my first concert. Yeah. So good. So good. And that's what Drake and Josh was for boys. I didn't realize that because I had many brothers growing up. Like was that your experience too. Fuck no. No I never watched it. You never watched it? Really? No. You weren't like a Nickelodeon or. I never knew for example I never knew Josh was bigger when he was younger. Really. I never knew him. You know skinny Josh by the way. I know skinny Josh. I would love to hear you say that. Because like people still remember him just always is that. And he lost like over a hundred pounds like 20 years ago. Yeah. And people still cut. He said when he was last year he told me like people come up to him on the straight being like oh my God you look so good. You lost him. That was 20 years ago. No way. When he was 19 he lost him. He was almost 40. Putting this in perspective TGIF when that was on. Was that Nickelodeon? What the hell is TGIF? I have no idea. Boi coffee, the vampire slayer. And separating the teenage with Boy Meets World. Yeah Boy Meets World. Yeah. God is. Okay. Yeah I was definitely more like Raven. That's a Raven. And of course. And Wizards. Which is where he really plays. A little bit even Steven. Yeah even Steven's movie. Of course. Yeah. I loved a DCom. Yeah. What's your DCom? DCom in. Disney Channel original movie. I gotta think on that. Holes. Oh smart house I loved. I literally, you're so smart. I'm like this is so cool. I know you know I actually recently rewatched it. Let me tell you it does not withstand that time. Yeah. So stupid. Yeah I'm sure like the technology too was probably just like lame. Yeah. It's like literary and iPhone. I have to look through though. Like when some people are like again what's your favorite movie? Like what's your favorite song? I'm like I need to see. Yeah these are big questions. Yeah. These are big questions. I can't think I'm like which one do I remember? That's kind of hard hitting jokes. You can come to expect here at the toast. Yeah. I'll just leave you guys with that. You know my favorite part though about this podcast is that you don't mind a good segue. I would love to know your favorite part. Yeah. Well I just I feel like on our podcast when we talk it's just like we segue but then like we try to. It's a hard segue. We try to not. But I love that. People get too lost in the sauce on a segue like being like looking for the perfect. Sometimes it's okay to just be like it's just not. That's our show. Yeah. And you know what I mean? Yeah. Just wrap it up. Yeah. Don't think too much about it. That would be my advice. Facts. I like that. Thank you guys so much for being here. It has been an absolute pleasure to get to Podd and I cannot wait to make a TikTok with you. Thank you so much for having us. This has been a joy. It feels like it's been five minutes and I could go on for hours. This is actually a pretty easy podcast for me. 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