Universe Today Podcast

[Q&A+] Moon Base Basics, HWO Targets, Mars Nuclear Reactor

20 min
Apr 21, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

This Q&A episode covers lunar base power solutions including sand battery technology, NASA's nuclear reactor proposals for space missions, and the Habitable World Observatory's search strategy for Earth-like exoplanets. The host also discusses seismic risks on the Moon and Mars, Vera Rubin Observatory data accessibility, and announces the release of previously unlisted live stream archives.

Insights
  • Nuclear fission reactors are becoming essential for sustained lunar and deep space missions because solar power alone cannot provide the baseload power needed during 14-day lunar nights
  • Sand battery technology using heated regolith offers a simple, low-electronics solution for thermal energy storage on the Moon, currently being tested in Finland
  • The Habitable World Observatory must serve dual roles as both a finder telescope and analyzer, searching sun-like stars for Earth-sized planets in habitable zones rather than focusing on Kepler's previous survey areas
  • Vera Rubin Observatory data is democratized through nine public APIs managed by data brokers, enabling programmers and non-programmers to build custom discovery tools
  • Moonquake and marsquake risks, while low, are active considerations in lunar base site selection alongside terrain flatness, proximity to permanently shadowed craters, and energy access
Trends
Revival of nuclear propulsion and fission reactor technology for space exploration after decades of emphasis on solar and RTG alternativesShift toward thermal energy storage systems for extreme environment habitats rather than relying solely on electrical batteriesDemocratization of astronomical data through public APIs enabling citizen science and custom tool developmentMulti-mission approach to exoplanet discovery requiring next-generation telescopes to both identify and characterize Earth-like worldsIncreased focus on geophysical hazard assessment (seismic activity) in planetary base site selection protocolsYouTube algorithm changes enabling longer-form content (2-hour live streams) to remain publicly available without algorithmic penalty
Companies
NASA
Developing kilopower nuclear reactors and proposing fission reactor technology for lunar bases and spacecraft propulsion
Department of Energy
Collaborating with NASA on development of new class of nuclear reactors for space exploration applications
Antares Group
Data broker for Vera Rubin Observatory full feed, filtering astronomical events for research community via public API
Noir Lab
Operates data broker infrastructure for Vera Rubin Observatory data distribution to astronomical research community
People
Jared Isaacman
Planning Mars mission to test fission reactor paired with ion engine technology and Mars helicopters
Quotes
"Your top priorities are power, power and power, right? One two and three are power."
Episode host (quoting interview subject)Nuclear reactor discussion
"The underlying technology is exactly the same as the fission reactors we have on submarines, on aircraft carriers and various nuclear plants on Earth. Just different scales."
Episode hostNuclear reactor explanation
"You would drift away and be pretty far out of that Lagrange point within a couple of years."
Episode hostL2 Lagrange point stability discussion
"We don't know where the Earth-sized worlds orbiting around sun-like stars are."
Episode hostHabitable World Observatory discussion
Full Transcript
How will we power the moon bases? Which places will be the primary targets for the habitable world observatory? Which nuclear reactor is the new NASA proposal about? And in Q&A+, how long will it take to clear the L2 Lagrange point? All this and more in this Question Show. It's time for the Question Show! Your questions, my answers, as always wherever you are, across my channel if a question pops in your brain just write it down, I'll gather them up and I will answer them here. Alright, let's get into the questions. NUNIA, are there moonquakes or marsquakes that are strong enough to cause issues with missions? Yes! So, I don't know about Mars. There are definitely marsquakes and NASA's Mars Insight mission measured them and some of them were fairly strong, like up to magnitude 5, I think. And Mars is, although we don't see any active volcanic activity on the surface of Mars, we see the giant volcanoes and we see some of the structures that we know that there were volcanoes on Mars in the past. And then the same thing on the moon. When the Apollo astronauts went to the moon, they put down a seismometer and they were able to detect the presence of very faint moonquakes on the surface of the moon. It's very unlikely that it would cause any damage to any moon base or Mars base, but this is considered by mission planners. So we're down to about 11 spots. So we don't know where the Artemis-4 astronauts are going to be setting up on the surface of the moon. We don't know where the future moon base is going to be. It's going to be in the south of the moon, near the permanently shadowed craters. And we've been reporting on Universe Today about the selection process for where these final locations are going to be and that the mission planners are thinking about how scientifically interesting are these places, how close are they to the permanently shadowed craters of the moon, will they have access to energy, is the terrain very flat. But one of the considerations is, is there a landslide risk? There are examples on the moon. You can actually see where there are boulders that have rolled down hill on the side of a crater. And that's because there was a moonquake and that kicked off a boulder that rolled down the side of a crater on the moon. And you can imagine if you were set up inside a crater on the moon, that there is a risk that a chunk of the side of the moon is going to be shaken loose, it's going to roll down and hit your base. So this is a thing that is considered the risks are very low, but they're not zero. And so it's all about it's all about choosing where you set up your base. Arjone, is there any talk about making batteries that can be used to hold solar power that is collected during the lunar day? Yeah. Yeah. So I've reported this in the past. The idea is a is a sand battery that you run pipes into the regolith and then you run a fluid that you heat up with solar panels into the sand and you heat up the sand and heat up the sand and heat up or the heat up the regolith on the moon until it's like 400 Celsius. And then you can extract that heat during the lunar night and use that to create electricity and also to keep your base warm. Someone had done a paper that we had reported on on Universe Today that you would need like a sphere or a cube of regolith just a few meters on the side that you would you would run those pipes into and then that would be enough to keep your base warm through the lunar night. That technology is being tested out here on Earth. Like I think in Finland, they're building sand batteries. So they're just pumping hot liquid into just sand and then heating it up and then they're extracting that heat again throughout the course of the winter and it works and it's like dead simple. And so that's the kind of technology that we want for the exploration of the moon. Something that is dead simple doesn't require complicated electronics. You are just heating up the dirt under your feet and then you're extracting that heat later on. One thousand dots is the nuclear reactor on the proposed new spacecraft a similar kind to what they want to use for a moon base. So yes, sort of. So the idea, the problem with space when you're when you're traveling in space, when you build a base on the moon or wherever is that you require power. You need lots and lots of power, electricity, electricity to heat yourself to run all of the equipment that you use. And especially if you're going to do some kind of propulsion, you need power. There was an interview that I did and the person I was talking to was saying like the top your top priorities are power, power and power, right? One two and three are power. And right now you can get power from solar, which is great, but you need a lot of solar panels to be able to give you any significant amount of power. And then if you're going to be traveling in the outer solar system, then they use these radio isotope thermoelectric generators, which is a decaying chunk of plutonium. And then you have the plutonium connected to a thermocouple. The heat turns into electricity, but not a lot. You get a couple of hundred watts out of what would be enough nuclear material to run a fission reactor that would give you then hundreds of of give you kilowatts, hundreds of kilowatts of power. And so the sort of one of the long term ideas has been to send nuclear reactors to space. And there are nuclear reactors in ships. Submarines and aircraft carriers have nuclear reactors on board. And actually both the Americans and the Soviets built nuclear reactors that they tested in space. The Americans tested two of them and the Soviets tested 31 nuclear reactors, fission reactors in space. And so the technology absolutely works. And yet, you know, because people were very concerned about nuclear reactors for the longest time, worried about nuclear waste, things like that. The emphasis went away from nuclear reactors and on to other things like solar power or RTGs, which are kind of nuclear waste anyway. But in the last, say, 10 years or so, NASA has been developing with the Department of Energy a new class of nuclear reactors. So one of the ones was called the kilopower. And this was to put a like a 100 kilowatt fission reactor on to, say, the moon. But that this same kind of nuclear reactor could be used for spacecraft. And so there's kind of two ways you can use a nuclear reactor for spacecraft. One is with a nuclear rocket, with a fission rocket. So you, you know, you run your nuclear reactor, makes very hot. You then expel some kind of propellant out the back of your spacecraft, like hydrogen. And you get a much higher specific impulse, higher thrust from your rocket than you would with a traditional chemical rocket. You can get just a lot more force. You watch for all mankind. They they talk about nuclear rockets in that show. The other way is that you use the fission reactor to generate electricity and then you use the electricity to run a an ion engine, you know, on an electro dynamic thruster. So you are using electricity to accelerate ions at the back of your spacecraft. And your spacecraft gets a kick in the opposite direction. It's think of the Hall Effect thruster that's being tested at NASA. They've got much more powerful versions of the ion thrusters, things around the Dawn mission or even on all of the Starlings. They all have ion engines. NASA has been working on this technology and there have been times when there's been some funding for this and other times when people have tried to cut the funding to these space based nuclear reactors. And now we're in this time where it's all the rage again. And Jared Isaacman wants to do a mission to Mars, but testing one of these fission reactors where they will pair up a fission reactor with an ion engine, carry multiple Mars helicopters to Mars, but also test out this whole technology stack. But for any future moon base, they're going to need one of these fission reactors because you've got that 14 days of darkness of cold that you've got to be able to get through and a fission reactor provides you this base load power. The thing is runs hot, provides a lot of heat and can provide you with a lot of electricity that you can use to power your your base. But the underlying technology is exactly the same as the fission reactors we have on submarines, on on aircraft carriers and various nuclear plants on Earth. Just different scales. It's time to shout out our new patrons at the five dollar level and above. Sergio Sansevierio, Farooq Exac Basti, Chip Marshall, one EO R. K.O.T. Hondo Hondo, Michael Vandenberg, Havens Lost, Nicholas Schreiber, Rosemary Dwyer and James McMahon. Join the community at Patreon.com. Such Universe Today. As some colons, is anyone setting up a public access list of new finds of your Rubin? I know some let you sift through things, but more of an astronomy picture of the day kind of review. That's an interesting question. So I interviewed one of the data brokers, the Antares group that is part of the Noir Lab, and they're one of the data brokers. They're essentially taking the full feed from Vier Rubin, and then they're filtering out for the kinds of events that their astronomical community is interested in. There's another one that's working on solar system objects and there's other, there's like nine data brokers. And all of their APIs are publicly available. And so you can go and use any one of these, these APIs. You can make things with it. And I've been suggesting that people, programmers and even non-programmers, now that we've got these, these tools like Claude and, and Codex from chat, you can actually make a tool that interfaces with the Vier Rubin data and turns up some kind of information. And, you know, some of the systems that people have built are really cool. You know, people have shown me a lot of really cool ideas that they've built so far. I should really start gathering them together and kind of presenting them on a regular basis and giving links so they can get more publicity. But these things are out there for sure. Really cool visualizations of using the Vier Rubin data. None have become very widely known yet because it's still a fairly niche thing. But I should definitely do a harder job, a better job of helping to promote. So this is my open call to you. If you have built something that uses the Vier Rubin data, that is a really cool visualization so people can look at it, you know, like maybe astronomy, picture of the day, or maybe something more useful for people who want to do fallen observations, discover asteroids, comets, variable star observing, supernova, things like that. Let me know and I will try to promote what you're doing here on my channel. Testing, testing, will the Habitable World Observatory plan to look in many directions or will it focus on where Kepler looked first? Habitable World has two priorities once it does finally get built. The first thing is it's going to find candidate Habitable World. And then it is going to observe them. So one of the big problems that we have right now in the field of exoplanetary research is that we don't know where the Earth-sized worlds orbiting around sun-like stars are. We know of Earth-sized worlds orbiting within the habitable zone of red dwarf stars. We know where there are hot Jupiters, mini Neptune, super Earths, things like that. But we just don't have the telescopes to be able to find the Earth 2.0, right? And Kepler was the mission that should have been able to do it. But the problem, of course, is that Kepler lost its reaction wheels and so it wasn't able to complete its mission in time to be able to find those candidate planets. And so they had to switch to the Kepler 2.0 project where they were finding worlds around red dwarf stars, but they weren't able to do that original goal. And that was the Finder Telescope that would then have fed in all of these candidate worlds to the other observatories that were going to come after that. We've got the test mission right now, but test is really not able to find those worlds. And like maybe if we're really lucky, it'll find a couple of Earth-sized worlds orbiting around sun-like stars in the habitable zone, but most likely it won't. We've got the Plato mission that is coming up and that, again, probably will be able to find a couple of these other Earths. But really, you want a large collection of them. You want dozens, if not hundreds, of candidate worlds. And then you look at the best candidates carefully to detect the presence of various chemicals in the atmosphere. You study the atmospheres of those other Earths. And so right now, we don't have the potential, the targets in the pipeline. And so a lot of the work that's being put into the development of the Haberworld Observatory, as well as the large interferometer for exoplanets, the life mission, is that they have to both be the Finder Telescope and the Analyzer. So they have to point it a sun-like star and observe it, block the light from the star and look for any example of Earth-sized worlds, you know, planets within the habitable zone of that star. And if they find, you know, after a certain amount of observation time, if they find it, then that gets added as a candidate. They move on to the next star that gets added as a candidate. Then they'll have this big list and then astronomers will argue over the list and then they'll go to the what is the best candidate in that list and they'll start making those those observations. And so unfortunately, they're just not the telescopes in the pipeline right now to get us those candidate worlds. There's a lot of ideas. The Nancy Gris Roman is going to have the ability to find Jupiter-sized worlds orbiting around sun-like stars, but not Earth-sized worlds. Right now, the plan for all of these next generation big telescopes is search stars for planets, then analyze those planets to see if there's life there. Matthew, can you envision a technology that will allow us to view other planets in real time instead of as they were? No, I mean, the speed of light is the law and there is nothing that we can develop, you know, that would allow us to see in real time because that would violate the the speed of light. So we have to wait for events to happen and we have to wait for the light to reach us before we can see them. It would be amazing. Like, you know, when you think about science fiction from Star Trek, Star Wars, but even science fiction books in the 1960s, when they first started to sort of think about some of these ideas, they would come up with a way to allow faster than light communication. And that's essentially what you're arguing for, which is, you know, could you flash a light that could be seen instantaneously that you could communicate now you're you're sending video signals back and forth to somebody. And that would be great that you could communicate in real time. Like that would allow you to hold the empire together as opposed to one side of your empire, your galactic empire requiring signals to take 100,000 years to reach the other side of your galactic empire and then another 100,000 years for the return signal to go back. Imagine, you know, you want to you want to send information, it takes 200,000 years for a return journey to send that information. That would suck. But that would that's just the reality. So no, unfortunately, we cannot communicate. We cannot observe without having to wait for the speed of light. Cilo 87, if left unchecked, how long would it take the L2 Lagrange point to clear out? Not long at all. The L1, the L2 and the L3, the ones that are lined up are unstable. And so you actually requires propellant for you to be able to maintain in that position. So you would drift away and be pretty far out of that Lagrange point within a couple of years. So yeah, it is not stable unlike the L4, L5. All right, those are all the questions that we had this week. Thank you, everyone who asks your questions into the YouTube comments. Everybody who joined me for the live show, we're doing the live shows every Monday at five p.m. Pacific time. So if you want to come and watch and join live, there'll be an event here on the channel for the next one. Now, I'm going to talk about an enormous amount of content that we are now releasing onto the channel that was previously secret. But first, I like to thank our patrons. 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