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I think that we've all heard the stories about how antiquated the air traffic control system is. How antiquated is it and would you say it's even dangerous? Well, I don't know if I'd go so far to use the word dangerous, but I can to not use words like that much. However, it is definitely antiquated in different ways and one of the big problems is that as we're doing upgrades, we're doing it in, I guess you could say different segments. We're upgrade part of it, but not another part and that creates potential mismatches between the technology where you have newer technology trying to interface with older technology and that always creates interesting problems, I guess would be the simplest way to put it. Coupled with you, you have more experienced air traffic controllers with a lot of experience on the legacy systems. Now they have to use now they're using newer systems in some cases and in some cases not, but when they are using the newer case newer type of systems, when they get busier under stress or are fatigued or things of that nature, they're more likely to basically revert to a mental model of a more legacy system and so they can miss something that could be present on a on these more complex systems. So it's a combination of issues that is all going on in the same at the same time where systems are trying to interface with legacy systems. The newer computer models may not just automatically adapt to some of the older information which can be for example analog or displayed in different ways. So it has to find a way to create that interface so they can get common information and that is a challenge. So there's also the ongoing issue of it's definitely real that we have infrastructure that is aging and that's particularly problematic in what they call the last mile where the information can go through all like very fancy upgraded computers, but then it still has to get to the end users or connect to older legacy, for example radar systems and those are still connected using old copper wires that might be free. And so it's so this interface problem is really the greatest challenge trying to get it all upgraded at the same time in an environment that emphasizes short term progress and doesn't really stick with things for the long term. You know one of the things other related problem. One of the things that I would say I think a lot of people can maybe relate to this because you know I just I have a home studio and I just upgraded my home studio to some some very new higher flutin equipment and I've noticed that with the more modern equipment there's more things that can go wrong. Yes that's exactly what's happening. It's a very good example actually because newer systems are really great but they also carry with them these new sets of potential problems and interfaces and and and we tend to think of computers as being really reliable but the truth is computers are only reliable because we give them a safe space to be reliable. Your phone for example every once in a while you probably notice that Apple's not working or something is freezing up. We don't say oh well computers aren't reliable instead what we say is oh well it's just a glitch and we'll reboot it or we'll reset it or something and that's not even a safety critical system. You know when you get into something that's safety critical it is extremely important to make sure that all of the assumptions are documented that and one of the important things there is that if they're not documented then when you make a change you don't really know what's being affected and the problem is that at different areas and depending on who is doing it across different parts of the country these assumptions may or may not have been well documented. It was a major problem that was encountered when a team at MIT started working with the FAA to develop T-CAS and they discovered that assumptions were becoming invalidated as they were working on the system because fundamental things were changing on the nature of air traffic so these things are really challenging and then you have all the users that have to implement new technology as well so it can interface with these things. It sounds overwhelming how bad this is or something. 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You have airports that are probably laid out better that can help reduce the probability of any errors, if you will. I don't know. I couldn't really say that any certain particular airport is better than others. The US is finally catching up with the rest of the world on implementing the controller pilot data link communication system, which has just been a long time coming, but one of the reasons that it took so long in the United States was these interface problems between different agencies. They wanted to make it seamless, whereas other countries could just implement it for their little small region. The US was just much bigger and more complex system. The other associated thing that's going on though is that these systems are using, for example, newer technology such as the aircraft dependent surveillance system signals. And the other interesting mess with all of this is those signals are not encrypted and can be spoofed. And so that can inject false aircraft positions into the surveillance system. And when controllers are less familiar with the new system's normal behavior, they will have more difficulty spotting when something is not right. So, for example, it's first spoof data. So we have a false area of security that opens up to being vulnerable when you go to newer equipment. Here's the other question. Here's the other question I would have, and I got to take a quick break for traffic, then I'm going to come back to you. But with the newer equipment, a lot of this is going to be computerized and so forth, when we upgrade to newer equipment, is there going to be a bigger risk of this equipment perhaps being hacked? That's number one. And number two, can AI help this situation? Veteran airline pilot expert on aviation safety and so, yeah, number one is with these new systems, is there more of a possibility that they could be hacked? Well, for sure. I mean, that's just the nature of computers. When you had the older systems that were analog, they weren't digital. They were just less susceptible because an error would be more likely to be noticed. Basically, the computers, digital computers, use ones and zeros, it's much easier to corrupt one of those digits, turn one, flip one, a one to a zero, some place in the chain, which completely changes the number. Now, we do things to help mitigate that. For example, each of, when we get information via our ACAR systems that's sent to the aircraft, it is, certain numbers are sent also not just via the digital number, but also written out in the word form because a one bit flip is not going to change the whole word. It'll just make it misspelled and so you can maybe capture the problem. But that, again, that's now depending on the course of human in the system to capture that and read the word and not just rely on that digital number. The other question, regarding artificial intelligence, the problem is those systems themselves are evolving very quickly. So your assumptions on how they're going to act are changing under your feet as you're trying to implement them. The traditional safety critical software is what we would basically term as deterministic, meaning that it only exhibits one specific behavior for any given input. And because of that, we can, it's pretty predictable, assuming that it's not corrupted or you don't have a data interruption or something like that. But with the AI systems, they're using a combination of various probabilistic models that are going to behave differently depending on what happens. So one of the things that'll happen is it'll be missing a portion of information and rather than just skipping it or saying, I don't have it, instead it fills that gap with it the most probable information that it thinks will be there based on what it has scoured from all the different sources and what it's been trained with. And that information might or might not be correct. It might be missing the context and not realize that that information is not correct for the particular situation. I mean, to be true, humans are subject to some of these exact same issues. It's just in humans have some ways to capture that. We have our own set of heuristic biases, of course, that are these similar problems. But we also have some self-protection features that go into it that these systems do not, because they don't really think in that way. They're just, they're really different. Shem, I got like 60 seconds left. Will we ever be modernized? I mean, I've been doing talk shows for like 30 years and this has been a conversation for that long. Do you think we'll ever get there? It's, well, I think that we will get there in bits and pieces. But by the time we get, it's a little bit like painting the Golden Gate Bridge. By the time you get to one end, you now need to start over again. Yep. Because technology is changing that rapidly. And that's just an ongoing problem. I don't know how to fix it exactly, unless you really put in a major effort. And that is going to be also affected by all the stakeholders, because you have all these contractors that want to push their various things. And, you know, of course, the way our current system is, they often get their way through the right political donations. So it creates a very interesting and complex problem that is difficult to solve. Shem, thank you very much for your expertise and we'll talk to you again soon. It is 821 on Super Talk, 997 WTN. I don't, the problems, Joan, I don't know how much of that you heard, but the problems with the antiquated air traffic control, it almost seems like these problems are insurmountable, where the problems with the interface and the new interfacing and interacting with the old, it just, I don't know how they overcome these issues. By the way, 2805 says, my stepdad worked at Lockheed Martin for about 30 years. He worked on the F-22 and the F-35. The reason they use old computers is because they're not hacked as easily. Peter says more bells and whistles don't equal better performance. And so a lot of people commenting on that. I don't know, Joan, did you hear that last commercial? If you listen closely to that last commercial. Yeah, I heard you laughing. You'll hear when Chris Hans scared the living crap out of me. So I'm reading the commercial and then I look to my left and Chris, his face is just staring at me creepily and very intently. I mean, it scared me. Okay. I don't think that you should be putting the blame on me or on Mason because you're a little jumpy this morning. What's gotten into you? I've had a lot of Wall-E's bean machine coffee, as a matter of fact, if you would like to upgrade the coffee in your office, wall-e'sbeanmachine.com. Thank you for the softball there. You got it. Knocked it right out of the park, didn't you? We're throwing oops. Okay, real quick. So have you heard, what's this guy's name, Joan, the Chicago Bull? Jade Nivey. Okay. So you familiar with Jade Nivey and what he said? Yes, I am. Horrifying what Jade Nivey said. Just horrifying. You want to hear it? We can't keep letting him get away with this. No, we can. Here's what he had to say. Jade Nivey, a now former. The world can proclaim LGBTQ. Right? They proclaim Pride Month and the NBA. They proclaim it. They show it to the world. They say, come join us for Pride, for Pride Month. To celebrate unrighteousness. They proclaim it. They proclaim it on the billboards. They proclaim it in the streets. Unrighteousness. So how is it that one can't speak righteousness? How is it one that, how are they to say that you, man, this man is crazy? I'm not, I'm not good. So that's pretty much what he said. He was doing it. He had had his phone steadying on his leg while he's driving. So you're looking up at him talking, just sort of talking about Pride Month and the NBA. And he's not on the court. Right. He's not in a press conference. He's just, you know, sort of vibing there in the car, talking about Pride Month and his distaste for it. The Chicago Bulls bounced him. They kicked him off the team. I mean, it is crazy. Like how can they get away with that? If there was an NBA player saying, man, these Christians are so backwards and bigoted when it comes to the LGBTQs, they would be celebrated. Absolutely, they would be celebrated. So I don't know. Some people are saying he's got a lawsuit. I don't know. I mean, I just, I think it's wrong that they kicked him off the team. It's not surprising that they kicked him off, but, and it should, we should note that he is a born-again Christian. And he has talked about how when he was, you know, previous to finding the Lord, he was a fornicator and all of these other things. And he was a sinner. And so now he is a very outspoken, born-again Christian. I mean, I don't even think you would, would you consider that very outspoken? No. He literally just called it unrighteous. That's it. I don't see why this is a big deal. He didn't even go full chapter and verse on him. Right. You know what I mean? No, he did. And here's the deal. I mean, they got so upset at them. They got, the NBA got so upset that he called them unrighteous. You know, they took such offense to that, really? Like they, it's an insane notion that they feel so badly about being called unrighteous. Well, this is, this is the same league that when Daryl Mori called out China for the Uyghur Muslim concentration camps, LeBron James said, well, he, as he holds a book upside down, said, well, he's just not as educated as he needs to be. Well, and you could probably talk about, you know, some of the folks in the NBA, you know, some of these folks. Not the best. Not the best. Not exactly morally upstanding citizens. Yeah. This is where the NBA is going to draw the line. Yeah. So yeah. Insane. Do you think another team will pick them up? I hope so. They have to. There's got to be a team that's underperforming for sales. Is he any, oh wait, here's my query. Is he any good? I don't even know if he's any good. Let me. Riley Green, Ko Wetzel, Shibuzy, and so many more at DFW's premier three-day barbecue and country music festival. Right outside AT&T stadium. Lone Star Smokeout is back April 24th through 26th. Get tickets now at LoneStarSmokeOut.com. Next roll with Vernon Davis, the transformative journeys of athletes, artists, and entrepreneurs. Ladies and gentlemen, lights out Sean Merriven. I want to be the biggest and the best one I do. And so whatever it takes, I'll get it done in business and everything else. All I do is know how to fight and earn what I want. My man, Malik asks, what actor, comedian, what you want to collaborate with? Me, Jamie Foxley, Kevin Hart in a movie. We said it on Vernon Davis podcast. So we'll circle back and be like, yep, it's going to clear. Next roll with Vernon Davis. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. Look him up. Yeah. I mean, I think he's a backup. Like he's not going to become another Colin Kaepernick. No. Like on the other side. I don't think so. I mean, he's averaging eight and a half points per game, two and a half rebounds, one and a half assists. He's not playing that much this season, but he's been dealing with limited minutes about 18 a game because of injuries. Yeah. You know, Mark Cuban owns the, does Mark Cuban still own the Dallas Mavs? I think he's back to own the Dallas Mavs. Okay. Maybe Mark Cuban. I think you need a more small market team that is not making the Jersey sales because if they sign this guy, it would be the number one selling Jersey and the NBA overnight. And we've seen that time and time again with leagues like the NFL where guys weren't kneeling during the anthem, their Jersey became the number one seller. Yep. All right. Well, hopefully he'll sign on to another. I don't follow basketball like at all. No. Like I just, I don't like basketball. You don't like it? No. I don't. Any, any particular reason? No. I just don't like it. Speaking of the gays, did you see that we missed one of the biggest clips from the No Kings protests? No, I didn't. This radio transition gold, by the way. Yeah. Need some video, Mason. So I DM'd do this because I was cracking up on my ride in here when I wasn't looking at my phone. And this guy, this guy is at the No Kings protests and he brings up the Straits of Hormuz. Okay. All right. Well, isn't it a little bit homophobic that we're so focused on the Straits of Hormuz and not the Gays of Hormuz? Yes, I agree. Yes, for sure. Why do you think they're willing to leave the Gays of Hormuz behind? I think it's just history, historically, like, you know, gays have always been very discriminated against, which is wrong on so many levels. Even in war. Yeah, even in war. It just takes more reform in government, obviously, and then also educating society. Just feel like if we're going to go and say, oh, we can't leave the Gays, people behind, I don't think we should go and say, at all. But if we're going to the Gays of Hormuz, we could turn it into Fire Island. For sure. So, will somebody please think of the Gays of Hormuz? We have focused so much. And I'm guilty of this as well. And I apologize to the audience. I have been too focused on the Straits of Hormuz, and I haven't thought about the Gays of Hormuz at all. I just got a note from the NBA. Next month will be the Gays of Hormuz Month. Celebrated with the NBA. That's amazing. Stunning and brave. Stunning and brave. That's exactly right. She has no idea she's being trolled. She's being serious. You know what the thing is, though? And I don't know how much you've been listening today. But I could have turned the entire four hours over to the stupidity of some of these folks who were out there at the No Kings rally. It is a nonstop, it is a nonstop parade of morons and clowns and misfits. They call them useful idiots for a reason. Yeah, that's what they're calling them. Have you noticed this? We talked about this early, early in the show, where the people on the left are now, it's like, I've got a question for MAGA. Why is it if you support Donald Trump so much, why is it that you're not protesting in support of Donald Trump? I'll wait. Have you seen that? I saw like four of them today. It's because we're working. Well, it's because we're working. And as I said earlier, I think they're doing a great job of just going ahead and stating their case, i.e. the gaze of Hormuz. I think that they're doing a great job of stating their case. And why possibly would we want to counter protest that really great message? Sun-Zoo, Art of War, never interrupt your enemies while they're making a mistake. But I will point out there were counter protests, not many and not in the number that we saw the New Kings, but there were counter protests out there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Quite a few. Yeah. I know that there was a big, I'm waiting for a punchline. No, no punchline. Okay. I know that there was a pro Donald Trump going into Iran, it wasn't a protest, but it was a rally. Yeah, it was like Iranians. Yeah, yeah, a bunch of Iranians or Persians. They are really excited that the president has gone into Iran. So, one of my favorite videos, and I didn't have, there's so much cursing, I couldn't use it. But there was one video where a Persian was being attacked by one of these anti-Donald Trump, no kings protesters about Iran. And the Persian, the guy from Iran is like, actually was a female, said, you're really going to criticize me for my educated opinion on Iran when you have no clue as to what even you're talking about. And it was rather epic because the No Kings person just got absolutely put in her place. Yeah, I think I saw that video. She's holding a stop bombing Iran sign. Yes. It's like, I'm Iranian and I'm actually really excited about the bombs. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see the, okay. So, earlier I did show this on the Super Talk TV. Remember yesterday I was obsessing about the guy in the diaper? And I couldn't find the grown man in a diaper. Well, one of- You spent your afternoon Googling it. One of my crack listeners sent it to me out of California. No diaper pun intended. Yes. Karen, thank you. Yeah, the grown man in a diaper. He's wearing a diaper. He's wearing a really long, it's supposed to be like a long red Donald Trump tie. And he's wearing, you know, like a Burger King kind of a crown. And this is the mentality of these folks. Jesse Waters, I don't know if you saw it, but Jesse Waters had an entire like almost four-minute montage of these folks that were out there and they're just showing their dumbness. Yeah, it would have been more apropos if he didn't have on a diaper because as we know, Democrats crap all over everything. They do, actually. You want to place a little bit of this Jesse Waters thing? Do it. All right, real quick. This is, and the reason why it's so funny is because they all just look so silly. No Kings Day! No Freaky Kings! No Kings in the USA! No Kings Day! Yeah! So one of these guys was dressed as a purple, was that a rhino or hippo? I don't even know, whatever it was, but it was dressed in a costume. You also had a guy that was dressed as a little mouse. Were they the inflatable costumes? Yeah, like an inflatable costume. So do you know what I've seen as a counter protest to those inflatable costumes? Because a lot of the Antifa members are wearing them. People will sneak up and there's a fan. There's an exhaust fan to like blow it up and people will squirt fart spray into the fan. And then you can't get out of it. I need to get me some fart spray. You know, over in Seattle, they have all the frogs. So they had all those inflatable frogs marching in a parade on Saturday too. Like, they're obsessed with their frogs. I don't understand. Like, I'm wondering, am I missing some sort of a cultural sign here with all of the furry costumes and all this? Just cultural decay, Dan. Is that what it is? It's just cultural decay? It's just cultural decay. Well, you'll notice it's their side that is culturally decaying. Yes. You know, it's not our side. This, though, was my favorite. This is a, we described this person earlier as like a little person. I don't know if it's actually, if she's actually midget size. Not that it matters, but I thought that her opinion was kind of midgety. Gaze! What are we going to do to the king? We're going to shut him down. How are we going to shut him down? The impeachment. If there's impeachment, that means there's a Congress and Donald Trump can't be a king. Right. Right. Why is Donald- Yeah, I mean, love that. She sounded hammered too. Impeachment. We're going to impeach him. Well, you know what? It wouldn't surprise me if she was. Are they paying these protesters in fireball? I don't know, man, but it's, and you know, I was talking to Matthew Hurd earlier about this, about, you know, whether or not these have actually really accomplished anything. I don't think that they have. Like, do you think that they've accomplished anything? Joan, you can get on this. Do you think these things accomplished anything other than give conservatives something fun to laugh at? I think that's pretty much the only accomplishment. Yeah. I mean, we're just, we're, we're, we're laughing at them. We're, we're, we're sort of trolling them and we're showing America what the anti-Trump mentality really is like. You know what? Let me, let me correct that. They're, they have accomplished something. We are now much more focused on the gaze of Hormuz. Yes, we are. We ever have been before and I will give them credit for bringing light to that issue. Yes, they're, they're, of course. It shines the light on there crazy as what it is. I mean, it just gives us the ability to peer into the minds of these. Like they're so crazed by Donald Trump that it's completely sent them over the edge. Did you see the, the coverage of the no kings with, it was Don Lemon, Joy Reed and Jim Acosta, the three of them. The three Amigos. The three Stooges. The three Stooges. Absolutely. I feel like we're besmirching Moe, Larry, Curly, Shem and the rest of them. Yeah, I guess you're right. By the way, and I'm looking for the audio and unfortunately I can't find it. Is this it? No, Don, Don Lemon is talking about how he may be running for president. Don LeMond is going to run for president. He's giving some indications. I can't wait because when he gets bounced out in the first round, he's going to be like, it's because I'm gay and black. Well, yeah, that's what he's going to say. One of the things that he said, I don't know, I can't find the darn audio, but one of the things that he has said is that I want you to realize, okay, when he says the rules are different for a black man and women running for president. Okay, we had Barack Obama for like eight years. I don't understand what rules are different, Don. I would like to know that. He won twice. Barack Obama did indeed, went twice. So just, you know, it is the usual, oh, here it is. Hold on real quick. I hope there's no cursing in this. We'll find out together. Will we? We had an episode earlier. I don't want to talk about it. I don't think Don Lemon or Joy Reed would use foul language, Dan. No, not them. Hey, Mason, pay attention. There might be cursing in this. Because Chris hasn't previewed the audio. I wanted to. I know people are going to think I'm crazy. This is going to be the headline and people are going to laugh about it. I think I could be president of United States. I could definitely run this country better than Donald Trump. Do you think you might never run for office? Oh boy. That is a long pause done. This is cringe. I hear that all the time. First I hear. Do you don't hear that all the time? No, he does not. Oh please. I don't want to ruin my life. Why would I invite that sort of even more criticism or whatever I don't? Why would I want to ruin my life with people? He's going to ruin his life more than he already has. Yeah. Says the guy facing federal charges because of the actions and decisions he's made in his life. And he's completely destroyed his career. Digging into, you know, everything about me and and campaign ads, putting everything that I've ever said that's deemed controversial. I've never said that I was going to grab anybody by the pussy. Oh, there you go. That's all right. That's all right. It's a new story. Okay. Right? We're okay with that, aren't we? I'm fine with it. How does he feel about the gaze of her moves? Right. So. That doesn't surprise me. I've never said that a woman had blood coming out of her wherever. But also I'm not a white man. Here it is. And the rules are different for me. I don't get it. Like does he not? Like the lack of self-awareness, he does know that we had a black president, right? There's also a gay white guy that has run a couple of times that can't get any polling either. Is it is it tougher because he's white? And Barack Obama wasn't black. Fully. Yeah. Okay. People say the same thing about Michelle being a woman too. It's like the rules, I believe, sadly are different for women. They're different for Hillary Clinton, for Nikki Haley. They're different for Kamala Harris. Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley. I just saw her on Fox News. Matter of fact, I know you'll be shocked by that. You might want to bring out your, because we're Fox News and we suck. Yes. Bread, bear, little audio. We haven't used that for a long time. All right, we're good. A lot of people in the text line, when you talked about the frogs in Seattle, wanted us to play the other thing. They said, you know why the frogs are marching in Seattle? It's because of all the chemicals in the water. Oh, yes. Okay. Very good. Yeah, that's a good one too. You still playing that? Sometimes. It becomes less funny and then it becomes funny again. So here's the fun. I listened to your show, obviously, and I don't care how many times I've heard it. I laugh every time. Every single time. 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