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Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. that's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch so why not you try odoo for free at odoo.com that's o-d-o-o.com okay david you do not need your laptop i don't need my laptop no but how am i supposed to but what if what but news what if the fediverse what if the fediverse season Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm David. And I'm David. Adam wrote that into the script, not me. Nice. So we're back with some Apple news, some Google news, and a game that Adam wants to play with all of us. So this will be a fun variety pack episode. Yes. But first. Yes. Marquez, you've changed your whole desk setup. I did. We have to understand why. All right. We were trying to unpack this a little bit. It was sort of a minor thing, but it ended up taking my whole day setting all this stuff up yesterday. Classic. So for those who are wondering, yeah. I mentioned in the setup video of my desk that I would be getting rid of the Mac Pro soon. Apple literally discontinued the Mac Pro slightly after that video. Officially. Yeah. So they gave up on the Mac Pro. So, so did I. Nice. Now, my question is, do I want to become the laptop person or still have a separate distinct desktop and laptop? Which kind of feels to me like, do I want to have my phone for every photo or do I want to carry a separate camera? Yeah. Obviously, the separate camera is going to be better, but it would be convenient if I could take everything on my phone. This is the laptop dilemma. I think that a 16-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro is powerful enough to do everything that I want out of a computer, including editing, including all the plug-ins, including everything that we do. That takes a lot of render. But it's a 16-inch MacBook Pro. It's a big, heavier. Big boy. Yeah, but the 14-inch is clearly superior. I love the form factor. I would much rather carry the 14. And I know this because I've gone from a 16 to a 14, and I try to go back and back and forth. And I just, I'm... Would you ever edit on just the 14 without plugging into a display? I think I've done it like three, only once with a main video, and like three or four times with vertical video shorts. Yeah. It's annoying, right? It's slightly annoying, but it's not deal-breaking annoying. What turned out to be more interesting is there's like a 15 to 20% difference in long-term thermal performance. With the bigger chassis of the 16, you're actually getting the max that the chip has to offer. Yeah, true. The M5 Max in a 14-inch chassis is throttling a little earlier, isn't giving me quite the same performance. Is it that big of a little? Probably not, but I'm curious if I can use the 16-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro. 16-inch? Yes. Okay. As my everything computer. Oh. It will be the desktop plugged into those monitors, plugged into a whole bunch of stuff, a dock, a DAC, a whole bunch of, you know, we can talk about that. Yeah. And then when I need to go home or bring it somewhere, I can take it somewhere. I can take the edit somewhere. I can take whatever I'm doing, and I don't have to have multiple computers. That's what's great about it. Everything's on one little PC. So the obvious other version of this is Mac Studio. I've said Studio is the new Pro. I think if this project, if this experiment fails me, what I'll end up doing is I'll end up going back to having a Mac Studio on my desk. Whenever that M5 Ultra comes out or M6 Ultra, whatever it is, that will be the desktop, and a 14-inch MacBook Pro will continue to be my laptop. Yeah. Okay. How long are you going to test the experiment for? So I have the review unit M5 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro. Yeah. It's maxed out. It has 128 gigs of unified memory. I'm using this until the new MacBook Pro, which we all know is going to get the redesign, probably a 2-nanometer node, and an OLED touchscreen and all this stuff. whenever that new one comes out. Yeah. And when that new one comes out, that's when I make my decision. Am I going to buy that laptop and continue the laptop life, or am I going to become Mac Studio and MacBook Pro? If you get enough storage, I really, it's so great to just have everything on one computer. Yeah. As of right now, it's like day one and a half. You know, it's the second day of this experiment. I am using a, now, there's a couple of things that I needed to make this setup work. So I have two Studio Display XDRs on my desk. Okay. They look fantastic. They are smaller than the Pro displays, but they're 120 hertz. They're brighter. They look better. Yeah. I'm willing to accept that. And I daisy chain them to each other, so it's great. I still have Thunderbolt ports to spare. And I have this TS5 Plus dock. Who makes this dock? TS5 Plus dock. Cal Digit. Cal Digit, baby. Yeah, this Cal Digit Thunderbolt 5 dock, which lets me plug all of my accessories on my desk into the MacBook Pro with one cable. That's nice. So the dream. It's real nice. Yeah, the dream is to have the one cable set up. I walk in with the laptop, put it down, plug in one cable, everything lights up. The mouse, the mechanical keyboard, the studio monitors, the DAC, both displays, my storage, everything is connected. It's crazy, yeah. Unfortunately, the Universal Audio DAC is really stubborn and refuses to work with the dock. Even though it's plugged into Thunderbolt in the dock, I've tried it with the dock. I've tried it also with the display, plugging it straight to the display. It doesn't like it. it it just they've did they even test this it loves being plugged into the laptop directly damn so it's a two cable setup for now dac don't like the dock yeah dac don't like the dock damn marquez let me sit at your desk after we record and troubleshoot this for you because please i it took me four hours to figure out it could be i didn't like anything other than direct yeah yeah well i have my own version of exactly what you're going through right now and this is like round three of me wanted to talk about the iphone air yeah yeah so run it back baby i saw your tweets you're you did you're talking about how you tried to go back to the pro i tried i tried oh my god so i want to know what you're like are you back on a pro or are you still on the air you're still on the air still on the air constantly frustrated by the camera i mean yeah yeah yeah and we'll talk about that even more later but you're probably you know a little more evened out because you're using a second android phone all the time that's much thicker so you're kind of used to it yeah but i don't know what i was smoking when i was like okay with phones being as thick as they were you know bad this i'm not that bad it used okay i used to have the opposite take okay this this phone radicalized me so what's your now you're fully thin phone pilled yeah kind of i kind of am you can only use this or the s25 edge everything else will be devastating well i think there'll be more options later yeah and when the iphone fold comes out i think i think that will because it's still thin when you open it i think it'll be an okay compromise it'll be shorter we'll see but i don't know i i tried to go back to the pro because i'm going to europe today for two weeks and it's it's so heavy and thick i i literally felt like i was using a motorola track phone that's what i felt like i get it like i especially when you use it back to back yeah you go from this super thin especially the lightweight too that's the thing people don't realize when i see it on video it looks oh it's just a little bit thicker whatever but holding it it's so much lighter uh uh and the two things that are frustrating about the air are the camera and the battery yeah as far as i mean everything else is perfectly fine as far as i can tell yeah so i have had a couple moments where i wish i had an ultrawide and i literally had to back totally like i shot the desk photo the other day and i was just backing up away from my desk and that was annoying but i can kind of make that work yeah but the battery yeah how are you dealing with the it's not as bad as i know how he's doing he grabbed the rich power bank for well i did yeah i mean it's not it's not awful i will say like i've been home for a while for longer than i'm usually home for like i've been home for like a month and i am one of those people that just constantly has all of their gadgets plugged in at every moment that i'm not using them you know i have a lot of battery anxiety all of the time that's okay with the air then yeah so it's okay with the air so i'm not completely sure how it's gonna fare you know on a on a travel i'm sure what i know exactly how this is gonna go oh well that's why i have battery banks i guess i don't know i tried to switch back to the pro and i'm just like i can't do this this is so annoying wow it totally rad even as your only phone uh yeah however okay however just like you the main things that i miss are the camera um which by the way i was wrong i thought i you i thought i never used the wide angle camera i ultra wide the ultra wide i apparently do not for photography but for like functional functionality yeah like yeah like i uh i remodeled my kitchen this weekend wow yeah i know it's crazy i had to put a lot of work in and i was trying to take a photo to like show my friends that i remodeled it can't back i literally can't i hit the wall you can't show the whole kitchen in one picture which is annoying so i had to take a video and then it was still yeah it was bad it was annoying and then my my 3d printed camera that i use all the time uses the ultra wide camera to like crop in right and i can't do that either so if they release an air with the wide with the ultra wide camera i'll be happy the other thing i found a solution to the no telephoto thing okay okay so there's there's this company that sent me this camera attachment thing like a few months ago called kyra camera that it's like you mag safe your cameras your phone to it and it's just a sensor with a um i wish i had it with me it's in my backpack It's just a sensor with a micro four thirds lens on it. And your phone slaps onto it and then your phone becomes the interface for it. And it directly, like it uses Wi-Fi direct. The images go straight to your phone. You can shoot raw. You can shoot video. Is it a micro four thirds sensor? It's a micro four thirds sensor. That's nice. And then you put micro four thirds lenses on it. And because it's micro four thirds sensor, like the crop factor is pretty high. so even if you're using like i'm using a 25 millimeter leica lens and it's like a it's like a 50 or something yeah like a 50 that sounds sick it's dope what's it called it's called kyra camera it's really cool so then what are you using as a lens if this is like a lens hey yeah i have a 25 lens it's like a 50 so i just carry that with me it's not very big it's like it's like this thick and my phone your phone just like mag safe straight to it and so i'll just have that in my bag with me and in the cases where i need to do telephoto i just slap it on you can shoot raw okay yeah it's it'll work i know i understand what you're saying yeah it's like if i really want to zoom and take a photo like that then i have this kit yeah yes yeah and that was my main concern because i because i use this on the last trip that i did too and not having a telephoto to shoot raw because i when i'm traveling i do a lot of uh like highlight or or moment camera too with raw photos and with this it kind of sucks so this is very anti adding things to your phone for cameras yeah well not entirely but i do have i think there's a point of diminishing return and it's pretty quick yeah yeah allison johnson put a really interesting piece out on the verge a couple weeks ago about the iphone air that says like it it was called like i finally understand the iphone air and it was about how it's a modular phone how like you basically for the daily use you just use it and it's thin and it's great and then you basically switch it out for whatever parts you need whether it's the battery bank or camera attachment motorola was a decade too early uh yeah of course yeah yeah the z was insane but the thing yeah magsafe is such a better attachment mechanism because like things like the moto z that had the dedicated modules yeah it's like they promised to support it for like two years and then they did and then all of those attachments were useless after that that was brutal or as long as apple does not get rid of magsafe which i saw some rumors that were like they're thinking of killing it and i was like that's the stupidest thing ever and they will never do that yeah uh as long as magsafe is it exists all these attachments still work yeah sorry iphone 16e so my point is i am totally radicalized i don't i didn't think this would ever happen to me i mean this is kind of what we said when it came out like this is the right form factor it's just too many compromises yeah yeah this phone would be great if it had a silicon carbon battery because it would probably be totally fine i have a travel story for you in a second okay but and then yeah and add an extra camera and it's right there yeah back to being very usable and justifiable okay what's your story uh i recently went to how much can i say i went to a foreign country in europe somewhere okay for a video shoot that you guys will learn about later and i forgot to bring a power adapter i totally forgot every time adam and i were just thought about that i brought everything else i need i had the macbook pro yeah i had the backpack full of stuff i had uh my chargers are ready to go and i just forgot my like adapter for their plugs yeah so it's a three-day trip and i realized this as i land and i'm like you know what i don't i'm not going to buy an adapter i'm gonna survive with the batteries that i have crazy person which is a macbook pro an oppo find x9 ultra a one plus 15 and an iphone air and an ipad pro and i was i I got off the plane not knowing, so I wasn't really conserving battery while I was watching stuff on the iPad. So the iPad was, like, kind of cooked. So I got there, and it was like, I need to use my MacBook Pro as a power bank to charge my phones overnight every single day. Beautiful. After the first night of charging up the OnePlus to full, for some reason, the MacBook Pro is basically dead. Oh. So now I have two days and two phones. and uh yeah the i the iphone air did not last it lasted like i think i got to low power mode at 20 like by the end of the first day yeah and i was still at like 60 something with the oppo yeah plus so having them side by side and actively trying to conserve battery on both and just watching the air just slowly go away it was really it was pretty eye-opening yeah so i yeah what i usually do when i forget a power bank which is like or forget a travel adapter which is a lot is a lot of the like hostels and stuff that I stay in they'll have like one usba or usbc port like in your bed area I was looking yeah I was looking for that port I always I turn my macbook pro into like a multi-port daisy chain battery pack battery pack where I plug in the macbook and then everything else is just like octopus off of it yep um which is probably what's going to happen when I go to Europe today so yeah anyway uh yeah I'm radicalized so I really hope that they don't kill this line like they did with the mini the mini i loved immediately and the the problem with the air is that it's a good phone you just have to spend like three weeks with it to understand that which is a which is a problem for apple well apple always does two of everything at least typically with the phone yeah so we're gonna have we're pretty sure we're gonna have an air 2 yeah then we'll see how that goes yeah all right do they even test this we do this every week Did you guys bring some? I have one. Let's go, Ellis. But first. Actually, two but first. Because the first but first is... Video viewers already know where this is going. No, because I unfortunately embarrassed myself in the last episode. Because my last, did they even test this, was about how to do the find on page on Safari. Yeah. Got a lot of comments. Got a lot of comments. there's a much easier way to find on page that i did not know about yeah so i would just like to thank waveform viewers for being dedicated safari users thank you waveform audience uh okay now adam would you mind getting the lights please i feel like i need to narrate this for audio listeners Ellis is grinning from ear to ear wearing a 76ers shirt and a 76ers hat and you know why I'm grinning ear to ear Marquez? why is that? because this weekend the Philadelphia 76ers for the first time since the 1980s have defeated the Boston Celtics in an NBA playoff series meaning we are moving on to round two to face our other rivals the New York Knickerbockers in what will hopefully be another seven-game amazing basketball series. Kelly Oubre, thank you for your contributions. Joel Embiid is back and healthy. Nothing can go wrong for us. Are they really called the Knickerbockers? Not some wood. Yeah, the Knicks are the Knickerbockers. What does that even mean? Underwear. Something. I've looked it up so many times and then just forget every time. Yeah, it commonly refers to 19th century baggy knee length trousers. 76ers really close to a meme dude it's this team is just so much fun it's just so much fun i'm glad you're having fun so many seven sounds stressful but sounds like you're having a lot of i have not come closer to my pants as an adult than watching that game seven and just i i love i have my my heart pours out for everyone on this team especially kelly uber and joelle and beat and You said it was Hyrese Maxey. And, yeah. You said it was the most watched Game 7 in NBA Playoff history? That's what we were seeing online, but we were also talking about how Game 7 of the finals, the LeBron-Steph Curry finals. Yeah, that's an incredible stat. It's just like, you know, I keep trying to explain this to Alex and Adam, man. It's like being a Sixers fan is not about reveling in your endless wins, okay? Because they don't have any. It's about, we literally have more than you, but it's about reveling in the journey and the storylines and the personalities and watching Joel Embiid grow up before our eyes and overcome so much. And watching Kelly Oubre turn into just like a absolute dog in the paint. And watching Vijay Edgecombe blossom into an eventual all-star. And having already watched Tyrese Maxey blossom into an all-star. And so that win, that game, meant so much to us. I found the NBA.com post. Yes. Most watched first round in 33 years. Most watched first round game seven ever. Everyone got to watch the Sixers play beautiful Sixers basketball. And I just feel so blessed to be alive right now. Oh, and I just want to make a quick point that he's talking about the game seven because game one versus the Knicks was not a great game. If you're a Sixers. Oh, yeah, that already happened. Yeah, that was really bad. And so my did they even test this is the Sixers drop coverage because it did not work. And those baskets, those Knicks baskets were fallen. So, yeah, did they even test this Sixers defense? But it's all good, man, because we just did test it. We're coming back tonight. Going to tie up the series. It's funny. I used to be a Clippers fan back when Chris Paul and Lob City era Clippers were like a thing. And this is the feeling that I was hoping I would feel for like five years straight. I never, never got to. It's OK. If it makes you feel any better, this is the feeling I've been hoping to feel for five years straight, and we're finally getting it. That's awesome. All right. All right. So on to tech. Yeah. My, did they even test this, is, shocker, Google Tasks. What? In Google Tasks, when you add things to your upcoming, I guess, reminders. Okay. There's, on web at least, I feel like this might also be in the app. I'm not sure. But on web, it shows, like, all of your lists that you've made. Yeah. One of them, the very first one, even though you can move it around, but the one that's first by default is upcoming. Okay. That one will just show every reminder that you have for the upcoming future period. Like you can't sort it for only show me the upcoming week. You can't sort it for only show me the upcoming month. It's just everything. Like right now, I have a reminder for Friday, December 11th to remind me that there's a parade that always passes by my apartment. The Guadalupe parade, I think. But it's like 10 p.m. every December 11th where a bunch of people go down my block with a parade. So like I said a reminder this past year. I don't need to see that right now. We are in May. Why is this still showing? Why do you have that in tasks, though? Why isn't that not just in your calendar? That's a great question. i feel like that's the reason they exist separately like okay so let's say i did have a task on friday 11th though like this friday no like the 11th of december like i don't know i had to re-sign something on december 12th i would so i set a reminder calendar probably not a reminder i know that's yeah that's a task i guess so but if it's like by someone's birthday present like a week before the week before like i would see that right now which is like why yeah i yeah okay that makes sense it's just like why you're not okay have you tried tick tick i have tried tick tick and i used tick tick for a long time um i was trying to minimize subscriptions so i stopped using they paid the pro version yeah okay i got it do you need the pro version for i don't know i mean at some point too like is it better to use google things like i don't even know if that's the case Maybe it is better to just pay a developer. I'm off of the, like, it's better to use Google's version because there's so many examples of it not being better to use Google's version that I have abandoned that philosophy. That's a very good point. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. In summary, no, they did not test this. Yeah. I have one that I'm, well, it's less of the, did they even test this and more of why does this exist? Does that work? Why does it? Yeah. Sure. We'll take it. Okay, so like a couple weeks ago, X launched XChat, which is a separate app, which is just, yeah, which is a separate app on your phone, which is just the DM portion of X. And it looks exactly like the DM tab in X. And it's just the DMs. And then there's a little button in the top right. And when you click it, it just opens X. I don't know why they have two separate apps for this. and I thought Elon was all obsessed with making the everything app and then he just started separating them and I'm very confused. I think that counts. That counts. Did they even think about this? How about that? Was there any like press statement as to like why they did this? No. No. Just launched. Also like. Casually. You, after, ever since the, the, the blue check apocalypse on X, Twitter, on Twitter, uh, messaging people is like almost impossible because most accounts you can't even DM unless you pay. Is that how that works? I forget how the system works, but I feel like any time I want to send a DM, it's like, you got money? Yeah. So now there's an app to tell me, like, you got money? Yeah. Someone hit me up the other day. They're like, hey, your handle is at DavidML is available because I've been trying to get that since, like, 2012 or whatever. But you have to have X Premium Plus, which costs $40 a month in order to request unused handles. And I was like, I hate this. Question. Is Xcat encrypted? Yeah. Probably. Is the Twitter DMs, regular Twitter DMs encrypted? I think they're exactly. It is because they're the same. Oh, well. And I have no answer. I really don't know why this exists. Yeah. I was trying to think of something. Now, to be fair, to be fair, I have been wanting an Instagram just DMs app forever, which they were working on for a long time. Separately? Separately. Isn't that just messages, like Facebook messages? Or Messenger? Yeah, but Instagram. They unbundled them, remember? Yeah, so you mean WhatsApp. No. No, no. The amount of people. Google check? There's a lot of people that I just DM with through Instagram that I, like, daily. But I have all my social media blocked throughout the day on my accounts because I don't want to, you know. Wait, this is the exact same thing. What? That's what Twitter's doing. Yeah. You want to be able to DM the people you DM on Instagram without also having to go through the rest of Instagram. Correct. I barely use Twitter, which is what Twitter did, and I'm happy about that. I barely, I mean, if it was Instagram. Because I barely use Twitter. I would love this for Instagram, but it's just confusing. Let's move on to some news this week. I just want to say, the selling point, and this is according to Elon himself, quote, XChat is the only secure encrypted messaging app. That's not true at all. what if you just say it that's the end of the statement that's not even remotely true that's like the first half of a correct statement but then it's just wrong has he ever heard of signal before all right let's get to the actual news stories of the week so i gotta take a vote from you guys we got two apple stories and two google stories which one do you want to get to first i like the android ones or the google ones like the google ones yeah they're interesting let's talk about the google ones my curiosity is peaked yes so this is going to be pretty major event Next week, we're getting the Android show, which, if you remember, is a pre-IO Android experience where they... Yes. Yes. It's very hype. Because IO... It's super real. IO used to include Android, but now it's kind of just all Gemini. Yeah, now it's just for the stockholders and the people that care about the products. Well, the Gemini features are interesting, but yeah. But it's going to be a big one. Samir Samant has tweeted a video with a little teaser for the Android show. His caption. He says that it's the biggest set of Android updates ever. And he punctuated it. He said, biggest Android updates ever, period after every word. Which is a big deal. That's a lot of hype. It's a lot of hype. Coming from a Googler. Wow. Yeah. And in the little teaser video, the little Andy Android robot pulls a light switch. And when he turns off the lights, he's glowing with these kind of like neon blue and pink cotton candy colors. However, and Adam noted this because he... Liquid glass scaring me. No, no, no, it's not. Don't. Okay. By the way, everyone is quote-tweeting this being like, Apple's doing liquid glass. He replied to it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he said, we're not. Him and Michelle have had to go, like, have a campaign going to reply to every single person. We're like, no, we are not. Did they even test this? Did they even think about this? Yeah. But if you look very closely near the Andy Android robot's neck, it's clearly got the pixel glow, like, RGBY bar. If you want to see it clearly, it's now the profile picture of Android on Twitter. Yeah. So it's hype. Yes. It's glowing. Pretty hype. It would be really crazy, and I would be very happy if they did a lot of settings change-ups like they did with Ice Cream Sandwich, where everything was kind of neon and weird. And just this morning, it leaked that the new design language that they're using is called Luminous Design. Don't they change? Okay, they changed this so much. Well I think that they still have Material U Expressive as the material interface but I think that Luminous Design is going to be like the Gemini kind of intelligent features are going to have the Luminous stuff That was my guess So it being teased as biggest Android updates ever but it not the biggest Android updates ever It's just the Gemini parts. I don't think it's just the Gemini parts. I think that they're probably adding a ton of Android features, which is cool because I have no idea what they would add. I'm very curious how they're going to look up to this amount of hype because this is... Yeah, Material 3 Expressive is new, right? that just came out like three years ago yeah from two or three years ago something like that so for them to have in for them to be introducing a brand new design yeah i would imagine that's just for like the glowing around your screen when you hold down the button to access gemini which is already a thing so like what else would they use this for well they just pushed a big update for the gemini app on android um where it looks a lot more neon like this like yesterday so if you have it that'd be that'd be interesting to see uh yeah so i don't know they say biggest android updates ever i'm really curious what that means it could be so many things are there any android features that you have been like wishing for not specifically honestly i mean hardware is what's been fun to play with in android land and then i use android android android most of the same way i did five years ago yeah which is also most of the same way i did five years before that yeah so yeah gemini a little bit more a little circle to search stuff a little bit more but it's genuinely mostly the same i'm pretty happy with it yeah one i'm really excited for is the i forget what it's called but the chrome desktop when you plug it in pixel desktop or whatever yeah making that better making it better to like be a dex competitor for real for sure um because right now it's like in developer beta or something like that and it's fine you can use it but it's not like i wouldn't say it's good yeah it's just like fun to play around with yeah if they can make that good that would be awesome yeah well thankfully the event is next tuesday so we'll be able to talk about on the show next week i won't because i'll be here but you guys will be able to talk about on the next week and it's at 10 a.m pacific time so you guys should all uh chime in maybe we could get that live threads thing going i would love that but i don't know if that's out yet it's rolling out slowly the other uh google news is that google home gemini can now do multiple and more complicated requests at once, which is a big update. Home 3.1 improves Gemini's ability to interpret and act on requests like complex tasks or multiple tasks in one query. I need an example. I think you should be able to say like turn on the lights in the bedroom and also open up the shades in the living room. So you can like chain things together. You can chain things together. Also more complex stuff. It will also make Gemini better at handling recurring all day events and allow you to move around upcoming events with your voice. That's helpful. All I want is better search in Gmail. Like, just use this for Gmail. Yeah, how is it so bad? Why are they doing all this? Just give me good search in Gmail. I don't know how it's still so bad. It's crazy. They're also launching in beta a way to manage your smart home from a computer. And you can search your camera history with natural language. You can create routines from your desktop. So that's nice. You just said routines, and that made me think of another thing that I hope they introduce into android which is like samsung's routines and like uh apple shortcuts like something like that yeah they have some already right in the automations oh automations you're right yeah in gemini's but are they good in google home i think they're pretty good well i some of mine are broken so i haven't actually updated them in a while but i i do know they have that let's see like if they can automation if they flesh that out that would also be pretty sick yeah yeah because there's not many things that i want android to take from ios specifically but shortcuts is one of them yeah and i know you can use macrodroid and tasker and all those things but those are so insanely powerful i don't need all that yeah yeah i don't know it's kind of exciting for them to hype it so much when i don't even know what i want them to add it's like i feel like we're going to be surprised because none of these features have leaked so far which is kind of surprising yeah i feel like android i mean i don't know i guess both operating systems are pretty mature at this point for what i would like what i want yeah so there's not really much you can do besides a design change that would make me be like whoa it's such a huge change up from what we already had yeah like that's why with ios liquid glass was like such a thing because it changed how everything looked yeah i wouldn't say it like changed much of the functionality in a drastic way no so i'm curious why they're hyping this up so much like what are they gonna introduce yeah it's interesting that they're kind of showcasing the pixel glow stuff considering that's fairly necessarily, like, you kind of have to have hardware to make that work. And they're not going to show off, well, they're probably, I mean, maybe they will. Maybe they'll show off the Pixel 11 and the Pixelbook or whatever. I doubt it, but, like, it would be cool. It would be cool. That would be crazy. Yeah, if they randomly dropped the Pixel. I mean, they could do the Pixel laptop, right? Yeah, they could, or at least they could hype it. You think they would drop that with the phones in August, September, October, whenever the Pixel events are? I think they would do it separately. Really? I think, yeah, separate from the phones. Really? let the phones shine, but if you're going to do a laptop, a new laptop, you could do that. When they did the Pixelbook Go, it was at the same time as the phones, when the Pixel 4 came out. I guess Google doesn't always think logically. That's fair. Yeah, but it's a, I mean, it's an, I mean, this is supposed to be their Android Chrome OS merger laptop, so it could be, and like, why do you need the phones to have their moment to shine when they're just Gemini machines, you know? They're not that different. You know what I mean? Just throw them at you. yeah that's true just separate from my own yeah um i went to the google store in williamsburg this past weekend oh yeah and you were close to me you didn't tell me is williamsburg close to you yes oh sorry right below me i can walk there in 20 minutes oh well sorry i'll hit i'll tell you next time yeah but i was in the store and my mom was with me because i was going to get a what was it like a titan security key for for my sister oh yeah that's what she ended up picking you didn't get them at the google store yeah they sell them there oh wow um cool but she was walking around and she's like, this is cozy. This is not like the Apple Store at all. And I was like, I bet that was very intentional. I think it is a lot like the Apple Store. I mean, it's more cozy because they have more fibers and stuff. I think more fibers, a lot of wood. We have natural water grain. The Apple Store. Apple is like metal and wood. And like glass. Glass. Yeah, that's true. White walls. Yeah. They only have a couple of stores, so they got to make them hype. Yeah. All right. Okay. Speaking of Apple news. apple is going to allow you to choose which ai model to use for different apple intelligence features which is kind of it's kind of interesting um very of the moment yes i was asking can one of you explain this to me because i do not understand what this means at all yeah okay so this is according to bloomberg uh in ios 27 you're going to be able to use an extensions feature which lets you pick different ai models for different features of apple intelligence like siri writing tools image playground other stuff so it's become clear over the last year or two years that these different ai models that people subscribe to whether it's clod or chat gpt or gemini are better at certain things right and people subscribe to different ones and at this point i think apple has given up trying to make their own competitive model right like it would cost so much money and the the race is moving so fast and the updates are coming so fast that apple would have to basically create an entire additional company within Apple just to keep up with all these other companies. So it makes more sense to just be the compute company that like runs the models. Yeah. They are the hardware that everyone will run the models on. Right. So once all these models, obviously there's the cloud models. And then once these local models get good enough that everyone's running them locally on all their machines, they're the ones here with the machines. Yeah. And that we run them on there. Totally. Yeah. So like the iPhone is probably going to use Gemini Nano for like Siri things, right? But for all the other features, like image playground, which literally nobody uses, ChatGPT currently has, you know, it's competitive between ChatGPT and Gemini for who has the best image model. But the fact that most people are probably only subscribed to one of these AI models at a time, right? So if you are subscribed to Gemini versus ChatGPT, you want to plug in all of your Gemini stuff to your iPhone so that works natively and Apple's happy to let you do that. It's more interesting that you can choose which model for which feature which I guess makes sense because you know some models like Claude is better at reasoning so if there was some sort of reasoning feature in the iPhone I guess that's better for reasoning you would plug in your Claude model. It is kind of like a if you know you know kind of thing like the average iPhone user probably isn't going to be plugging in a bunch of different models but yeah you know yeah i really want to see what the ui is for this because yeah i feel like if i'm trying to do i don't know like siri i want to have siri be accessing gemini yeah but then for image generation chat gpt and then for circle to search oh let's do gemini again and then like all those different things shortcut automations let me use claude for that yeah what is that ui even gonna look like even saying out loud i'm kind of confused yeah maybe just it's a defaults page in the settings like the way you can choose your search engine default now by going into settings and switching it from google to one of the other options on the list generation default there's like a apple intelligence section in the settings which there is and you go into all the different features and can drop down a list and change the defaults to all of them yeah maybe there is a default for all of them that lines up maybe it's gemini for everything but then you can go ahead and go on the list and change yeah my question becomes like how much is this going to impact your usage limits for all of these all these apps because if you accidentally like hit all your usage limits on claude just by using your iphone and then you can't really use it on your computer that's pretty annoying yeah well and will it be like an extension that plugs into your account with claude or is it just uh like a fully isolated instance of like asking claude for something but has no context from your account i imagine it will It would be your account. Because right now, when you ask for something that Siri can't handle and it kicks out to chat GPT, that's not with the context of your account. You can sign into your account, though. You can sign in, okay. Yeah. But when it wasn't signed in, it was just however many queries you want. Yeah. It didn't matter. The free version, basically. Yeah. Yeah. But there's still limits to the free version, so it's kind of... And I don't think Apple's going to want to pay that bill for a bunch of regular people. but it it would be interesting if you couldn't use all of the features of your iphone unless you had an ai subscription plan from a different company interesting or apocalyptic i don't know apocalyptic definitely driving a lot of usage of this stuff yeah yeah for sure if there's anything siri can't handle we'll just uh kick it out to any of these companies yeah i mean maybe it's possible that these companies have are going to have deals with apple because they want people to use their product more right so if anthropic wants people more people to adopt claude and they say oh you can try claude on that you can use claude on the iphone for free and then it motivates people to use claude on their desktop yep then that's good for anthropics that's good for them it's possible exactly can i tell a funny apple intelligence story from last week yes i uh decided to fire up uh what's it called genmoji i love genmoji do i use it all the time really because I'm its biggest fan. I cannot get anything useful out of it. And to be fair, the story I'm about to tell is mostly user error. But what happened is I was like, I needed a cowboy boot emoji. Yeah, I made one. And so I searched. I was just moving really fast, and I just searched boot, and it gave me a rain boot. And I was like, oh, I didn't get specific enough. Silly me. So I put in cowboy boot, and it put a cowboy hat on the rain boot. Wow. that's so good that's incredible okay that's so good last apple sorry and then we'll take it to trivia in a break yeah apple is going to need to pay iphone owners 250 million dollars for not delivering the ai siri that they promised everybody yes wow give me my 12 yes less than well 12 that's way too much you're getting like a nickel yeah i think it's actually it actually is more 20 25 it's between 25 and 95 depending on the circumstances every iphone user gets 20 no it's it's the people okay i won't let me let me tell this okay there's a class passing lawsuit that alleges that apple misled customers about apple intelligence and has gotten apple to pay between 25 and 95 dollars to each person that purchased an iphone 15 pro or any iphone 16 between june 10th 2024 and march 29th 2025 the lawsuit is alleging that apple gave people a clear and reasonable consumer expectation that Apple intelligence features would be available on these phones, while they ended up being significantly limited or sometimes entirely absent. Correct. This is a story from The Verge, and they did reach out to Apple, and Apple spokesperson Marnie Goldberg told them that the company decided to settle the matter so they could get back to focusing on building innovative products for their users. So it sounds like they just knew they weren't going to win this, so they were just like, just take the money, make it go away. I also think Apple just doesn't financially want to get involved in the circular AI. We're developing a model buying chips from people who give us money to buy their chips. It's just, you know. We know that you, the Way From Audience, misses Andrew so much. We don't miss him at all, but you guys miss him. But if you want to see what he's up to while he's on paternity leave, he was recently on a disc golf tournament. What did you do paternity leave? Because he said he's on paternity leave and then these videos are dropping and he's playing disc golf. Yeah. But yeah, there's a creators tournament that's being posted weekly, I think, online now. You guys can go check him out and comment saying you're coming from Waveform so that we could take over their comments. A comment takeover, basically, is what I'm proposing. Okay, if Andrew wins, what happens? Ooh, that's a good one. What do we have him do? Oh yeah, we've got to make him do something. Okay, if he wins, he has to come back and host a solo pod. A director's cut narrating every shot he took. Yes. Okay, that's a good one, too. You're going to make him Jalen Brown. He would do it. He would do it. We'll go watch his Disc Golf Tournament. That'll be pretty fun. And now, the moment you've all been waiting for, that I'm also waiting for. Tribute. All right. First question. The Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. Yeah. What was the size of the screen? Closest without going over. Oh, man. Oh, man. It was a touchscreen. To the nearest decimal. It was a little bit tall. It was like 3200 by 2800. That bezel would be thick, though. That would be thick. They were thick as f***. Real thick. Why do I know all these things but not the size of the screen? Damn. You just know the vibe, you know? Yeah. I still have one. I tripped over it yesterday. So it's on the floor. I'm not even joking. I tripped over it. I've deduced that it's on the floor. Yeah, it's on the floor. David always keeps his laptops on the floor. This is the only time I see David's laptop on the desk when we're in this room. It's always slightly ajar, you know, on the floor. It was exactly $1,000 or no? I think so. I think it's $1,99. Everyone loved that it was $1,000. If you went to I.O., you got like $400 off. Oh, right. Yeah, people loved that. Because they would sell it. Because they would get it for cheap. I didn't sell mine. And I bought it. Of course. I also did that. And then I reviewed it. Damn. I like that computer. It was cool because it was like, it was good hardware. It was really, really thin. I'm an oxymoron. Good hardware and thin? No, the Chromebook Pixel's existence. Oh. Oh, you only really need to do Chrome because it's a Chromebook and you kind of don't need to do much. Okay, here's a cheap Chrome computer. Yeah. Oh, you want a premium laptop that does way more? Well, it doesn't. It's just a Chromebook. Yeah. But you can spend a thousand. You don't really need it to do more, but you just want the hardware to be nice, you know? And then, like, a nice chip and a bunch of RAM and a whole storage. When you're using Chrome, you want to be able to feel that hardware. It feels good. When you minimize the desktop and open up Chrome again. Yeah, that's right. You want it to be nice and smooth. That's absolutely, you're absolutely right, Mark. Yeah. All right, well, we'll think about that. Answers at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Zapier. 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Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on youtube.com slash yourrichbff. Welcome back with the Six Pack. We are here on the Waveform Podcast playing another game because there's no f***ing news this week. Whoa. Not enough. We just spent 50 minutes talking about news. Yeah. Four stories. Four stories and seven years ago there was way more freaking news than this week. You know that. You guys are yappers. It means tomorrow. Yeah. It's all going to happen. Oh, it's all going to happen. Oh, God. You know what state that was originally set in, right? New Jersey. Pennsylvania, which is the same city as Philadelphia, which is where the 76ers play. Why'd you just throw something at Mariah? I threw something. It just kind of went across. Well, because there's no news. I actually am going to need that back. We are going to play a game. Adam says it's the newlyweds game, but contrary to popular belief, I'm not married to Marquez. Yeah. May happen later. Yeah. TBD. We'll see. This is the same game we played earlier this year. Andrew adapted it for tech. And in his honor, because he is on paternity leave, air quotes, we are bringing it back to play it again. So if you don't remember how to play, I will be asking you guys a question, and you need to answer what the answer would be for your partner. So teams this week is going to be David and Marquez versus Ellis and Mariah. Again, there's a plus five confidence boost. What does that mean? If you really know the answer. I saw how poorly this was. I was talking about this. If you really know the answer that your partner is going to put down, you can confidence boost and you'll get plus five points. Remember when we did the iPhone one and we both knew that we were thinking like iPhone 4S or something at the same time? Yeah. We were locked in last time. We were locked. It was good. Actually, you know what? Maybe I'll do plus three. Plus five is like a... Plus five is kind of great. It's a lot. I'll do plus three. Plus three. Plus three. Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. Anyone have any questions? I don't think so. Do you want to explain how it works for the listeners? Yeah. I thought I just did. Did you? No, you didn't. Maybe you didn't try it. Here's how it works. You just said there's a confidence boost. Andrew's on paternity leave. Here's how it works. Adam is going to ask us a question, like the whole group. Two of us are going to write an answer to that question. Then our teammates are going to guess what we wrote on our boards. Thank you, Ellis. Thank you. Okay. I don't know what to do when you're not here by my side. I'm all alone over here. It's such a big table and just a little old me. All right. First question. All right. Who do I want to give this to? Let's see. Who gets first? Do you guys want to decide? You guys decide. How confident are you? In your partnership. Winner chooses. Wait, you guys are on the same team. That's okay. That's okay. Okay. Well, one or the other has to get the question, right? Yeah. Okay. On three or after three? Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Shoot. Okay. Okay. Ready? Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh. Okay. I choose you to answer first. Speak of choosing. So y'all two are going first. Okay. First question. Mm-hmm. what app would you say wait so I'm guessing what Marquez and I are so good I'm not answering how often do we talk about apps so often yeah we're like so often you know when we text it's all app talk yeah I figured your whole Slack message is just about apps okay what app would your partner say is their guilty pleasure oh so you're saying what app your guilty pleasure is okay okay I'm wondering if you what do I even have on my phone I wonder if you know this. Wait, so I'm writing what my guilty pleasure is and then Mariah is guessing. Yes, exactly. So Mariah, you're guessing my dirty pleasure app. Guilty pleasure. Not dirty pleasure. Definitely not dirty pleasure. Can I go back to my corner, please? I don't want to be here at the table. Guys, the lights are too bright. Wait for after dark. Excuse me. waveform after dark wow that's deeper than i thought it was i want to go home all right all right let's see if marquette's gonna remember what do you got okay um i had two things come to mind i think yours is either some obscure camera app or it's literally instagram david would feel guilty for using a camera app like his eighth camera app or something but I also, earlier on this episode we were talking about how you wish Instagram DMs were separate from Instagram so you didn't have to use Instagram so much, so I think it's Instagram. Do I tell them now? Sure. I don't get pleasure from Instagram, I'll tell you that. We're so far away from guilt, I'm sorry guys. I will say it's Pokemon TCG Pocket. It's the only game I have on my phone. That's a good game. Why is that your guilty pleasure? Because I don't I have guilt. You spend no money on it. Yeah, but I still have guilt for playing games. Why? Because we live in America. We should work that out in therapy. Have your fun. Play some games. You're not still doing Bellatro, right? Sometimes. On the subway. Okay. It's good for the subway. Bellatro's offline? You ever play chess on your phone? Yeah. Oh. Maybe I'll pick it up. Chess? Yeah. Oh, we'll get to that, Marquez. Okay. Okay. Ellis? Ellis. Okay. I think... I'm putting all my eggs in one basket. I don't know much about Ellis. but for what I know in our four years of working together I'm going to put all my money on the McDonald's app damn that is good the app I feel guiltiest about using because of everything that goes down on it is Twitter that's valid unbelievably plentiful yeah Twitter has been a really safe place for me lately but the rest of that app is an ocean of chaos. That's the hard thing about Twitter. The people there are still the funniest people and the memes are still the funniest, but the ratio of that to just racism and sexism and nudity is crazy. It's terrible. We hate it. Sorry, Ellis, I let you down. Damn. Maybe you guys couldn't make it up with this one. Alright. If your partner could get rid of one overhyped piece of tech from the last decade, what would it be? Just snap your fingers and it's gone. This is Marquez's writing. yep overhyped this is hard this is hard overhyped piece of tech from the last decade from the last decade i mean i'm a hater so it could be new soundboard bite yeah this is a tough one i don't have an answer it could be software could be software overhyped Yeah, an overhyped piece of tech. I can get rid of it. Should I run it again? Let's give you a little more time. Yeah, run it again. Overhyped piece of tech. This is a hard one. This feels like a cop-out. It's like the first thing I can think of. But think about what your partner would think of. Ellis hates a lot of things. I know. Yeah, yeah. We're both haters. How do I pick my biggest hate? Overhyped piece of tech. Let the hate flow through you. I want Mariah I think is overhyped so much well she thinks that you think is overhyped I have a good answer I picked a normie answer this is bad I should just think of something on the spot overhyped that I wish never happened get rid of it that David would wish never happened no no no no it's Marquez and I guess what he oh I'm sorry you're right I don't know how to play this this is like your last time okay nope no I feel like you don't want to get rid of it you don't want to get rid of it but what do you think is just overhyped say you don't have to get rid of it just think of a piece of tech that's overhyped from the last 10 years yeah it's whatever compared to the hype the people behind it I know examples I don't have Marquez is a true tech lover. He's a true lover of tech. Was it hype, though? For some. For some. Are you guys from the same thing? I really hope you didn't write the Humane Action. Okay. Damn. I mean, I have one that I think Marquez would put, but I don't think that he thought of it. Okay. So. Correct. Yeah. This is a softball. I'm gonna say the humane I think that's what he wrote I wrote the humane pin let's go all right yeah Alex and Mariah this is a tough one because before it came out it was hella hyped they were hyped do you not remember the year leading up to it we'd go on the website and it would be like we're not gonna tell you what it is but you're all f***ed They all hyped it and everyone watched it and went, no, it's not. Well, once they announced it. No, we all looked at them and went like, why are they hyping this so much? It's clearly not going to be. Expectations, reality. No, it was internal hype, expectations, reality. That's true. Hey, Mariah, I know you're a hater, but I also know you're someone that will live with the tech products you hate for some time. there was a while where the slack was Mariah being like my Pixel Watch driving me up she loves the Pixel Watch didn't you lose a Pixel Watch because it fell off your wrist and into a trash can into a Wawa and you just decided you were not going to get it I reached into a trash can and it unclipped itself into the trash can it was a Wawa my people, I am home I was going to leave it at a Wawa it was the first generation by the way the Pixel Watch is good now but the first gen was horrible It still here She still wearing the Pixel Watch My instinct you know my first instinct is to make it something gamer like gamer chairs Gamer's good. But I think you wanted the point so bad that you went with a very banal answer, so I am also going to say the Humane Eye pin. That's really unfortunate, because that's true. We should have, both of us should have tripled down on that. I was not going to say. What I was thinking that you should have said, Marquez, is I know that you just hate nostalgia. Pixel Watch is good. I know that you're like a nostalgia hater. You're like, this only exists because of nostalgia. Even though you're really hyped about backyard baseball coming back. Yes. Which is also nostalgia. Yeah. A final runner-up for the new soundboard was Marquez saying, we've just invented this really new cool thing, but do you remember the old thing? That's a good one. yeah i would have said for you i would have done like emulators or something because it's Mario Kart 39 okay that's good yeah that's good this is somehow turning into the hater awards but i love it all right next question i love this game at what battery percentage do you think your partner starts freaking out and looking for a charger oh gosh huh this is easy yeah what what battery percentage do i start freaking out mario i mean ellis is living large now he's got that man came from a mini yeah he's no fear he probably gets a three percent doesn't even think twice david yeah i have a theory for this one okay yeah i would yeah is it like closest yeah how close could we need to be there's a hundred digits. Closest without going over. Without going over? Yeah. Dad, thanks. What did you put? Okay, I think I got an answer. Okay. Alright. I think I know what you would say. Alright. I'm ready. Should I go first? Sure. Yeah. You're on an iPhone and when you hit 20% on an iPhone, it automatically switches the battery icon to red and switches to low power mode and I think that's the exact moment you start looking for a charger. it's a 20 uh 64. you start to freak out i have massive power anxiety dude i have battery anxiety all the time no it doesn't matter that it's the air it does though no yeah pretty much any device the air is never even over 64 percent hey you take it off the charger air is at 94 right now because i always keep it on the we've been doing nothing for an hour how's it at 94 yeah because Because I've been doing nothing. So it drains 6%? Yeah, sitting there. Well, yeah, I guess. 64% on an iPhone 17 will last you the rest of the day. Yeah. 64% on an iPhone 17 Pro will last you like two days. Not a weekend. Either way, I get really anxious when my devices hit 64. Well, I didn't go over. Yeah, so you're 44 percentiles off. Oh, yeah. So let's see what they get. What do you want to guess, Mariah? I wish I had listened to... You're not going to say anything. I feel like you could go feral I think your phone could get pretty low I have been known to be pretty feral around these parts I'm thinking single digits and my hunch is 5% this is really my fault I don't even know why I'm that because I am feral I put 0% I don't give a f*** anymore after that mini life dude my phone goes all the way down and I'm still chilling because I'm on a pro now That's the only number I can lose at. I wrote it down, and then Adam says, Closer without going over, and I knew. I will say, I knew that you would write zero. I was going to say, like, 1%. I was thinking 3. As soon as I closed without going over, I was like, well, all of the numbers are over. That means we get the point. Yeah, we get the point. By default. Let's go. No, okay, good. I routinely just don't really charge my phone that much. You're insane. I regularly just fall asleep with it. Well, the next question was going to be, what is your current battery percentage? Oh, I just said. David just said it, so I have to ignore that one. Yeah, but it's Marquez's. You said 94? That's true. That is true. Okay, yeah. All right. Which phone of his? Don't worry about it. That is fair. Okay, no, let's do the air. They're very different. The air. What is the battery percentage on Mariah Marquez's phone right now? Okay, but are we doing closest without going over? Closest without going over. Without going over. All right. Hmm. Interesting. Mariah, what phone do you have right now? I'm sorry to all of my Pixel lovers, but we are now on the S24 Ultra. Oh, whoa. Yes. What happened to you? It's not by choice. What happened to your Pixel? I cursed her is what happened. And Mariah seems like a charges her phone every night kind of person. What happened to your Pixel? And Mariah drives to work, which means she charges her phone in the car. Sometimes. And she sat at her desk for about an hour and a half. What happened to your Pixel? It fell one foot, and the screen won't turn off. I curse her. Was it a six? Yeah. Legendary. Yeah. Probably the last remaining Pixel 6. Support ends in October, so it was fine. That's fair. All right. I'm going to guess. Okay. I think that it's at, without going over. Yeah, without going over, Marques' iPhone Air. I think it's 72, but I'm going to give myself a little buffer room. I'm going to say 69. Nice. Thanks. All right. What is it? 83. See, this is what I'm talking about. It's not that bad. 83. Okay. The battery is not that bad. Dude, it's 12 o'clock. We're not even halfway through the day. Yeah, I know. I haven't done anything. He's done nothing. What phone? iPhone Air. iPhone Air. Oh, okay. But I feel really confident in my guests. So confident. I'm using this. Oh, snap. It could be a plus three. And I think Mariah has 84% battery or greater. And that is why I have 91%. Damn triple. I made it up. I made up for my 0% gaffe. Wow. That's plus three points for Ellen and Mariah. A trip. Is that what they call it? A trip in basketball? You need a triple? A three-pointer? Sure, man. Yeah, it could work. What do they call it? A trip? Well, I don't want to. Honestly? Yeah. Yeah, that works. Three. Yeah, a trip. My baby got a lot of trips. All right. He got an okay amount of trips. Okay. I had the bobblehead. The baby bobblehead? Nice. The baby bobblehead. Quick update on the score. After that confidence boost by Ellis, he and Mariah now have four total points. David and Marquez running up the rear with two. Okay. We can still get our confidence. Lock it? Yeah. We got to get this one. You got to get it. All right. Is your partner a read receipts person or a read receipts person? Oh. I'm guessing Marquez. Wait, what? No, you're saying... How do you say it? How do you pronounce it? Read or read receipts. We've had this... We've literally yelled at each other about this so many times. I didn't know this was even a debate. Yeah. We debate all the time the way it's supposed to be said. Read receipts or read receipts. I don't even know what you're writing on your whiteboard. It's going to be the same. Wait, what do you mean? I don't know. It's phonetic. Oh, okay, okay. You write phonetically. All right, what do we got? I am not as confident in this as I want to be. Oh, my goodness. I'm not using it. I know your answer. I'm not using it. But I think you say read receipts. David? Mark, what happened to you? What happened? Red? I thought you said read receipts. No, I said read. Read receipts. Okay. Oh, my. And you say read. That's why I didn't use the confidence. That's why I didn't use it. We had to lock in, Mark. I forgot. It's okay. Damn, that's my fault. It's okay. Well, I'm correct, so it's fine. right i think you should use your confidence boost here do we each get one yeah oh i think you should i didn't know that i thought it was one per team no every player gets one we gotta lock i mean if you feel confident i mean there's only one right answer i think there is only one right there's there's no debate and i think we're in agreement agree with you i think you should use it and it's a lot of talking well are you using a confidence boost or not i'm gonna use the confidence boost read receipts. There's only one. Who says read receipts? Okay, listen to me. Listen to me, Mariah. Listen to me. A receipt, right? A receipt means the other person has seen it, correct? A receipt... Yeah. A receipt that they have read your message. Yeah. A receipt is inherently a token generated by an action in the past. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. It's read. It's read receipts. It's read receipts. Give me your logic. Did you read it? No. There's a receipt. They read it because you got the receipt. So is this team read and team read? You are the one that got the receipt and they read your message. You would never say, like, this is a receipt of something I buy. You would say, this is a receipt of something I bought because you did it in the past. This receipt. It's a receipt, which is something that happened before. This receipt is a token of them having read my message. For some reason, the phrasing read receipt, because we never say like grocery receipt or tax receipt or whatever. It's just a unique phrase of read receipt. Like we just happen to use these words next to each other in this way. And for whatever reason, it's read receipt. Read receipt just doesn't work. They read it. They read it. Yeah, so you'd say they read it. And they got a read receipt when they read it. No, you got a read receipt when they read it. They say not read receipt? Yeah. Read receipt. You do not get a receipt of your own message. This is f***ed up. I got a receipt. Why would you do this? I get the receipt. David, when do I get the receipt? When they read your message. When they read my message. I missed Andrew. Yeah, because they have read it. So it's a read receipt. But they have read it by the time you get the receipt. No. When they read it, I get a receipt. Read receipt. No, it's their read receipt, but it's your read receipt. How about that? What's the next question? We need to move on. This is disappointing. We've already done this debate many times on this podcast. I wish you points on that. Yeah, that's tough. This is your fault. you threw a head fake completely wrong direction that's great i love it all that talking worked out in marquez's favor yeah all right yeah next question i'll go a little easier this time okay it's right okay it is right you can be wrong it's fine ellis and i are right if your partner could only use one phone for the rest of their life what would it be Assume the phone is in working condition forever. How specific do I need to be? Like one phone at all? One phone. I need a model, yeah. It doesn't need to be like the gigabyte storage, you know, like whatever, but... Like a one phone... One phone person. That will work forever. It's a one phone person. Oh, my God. But they can't switch off of that phone. What would it be? That's kind of tough. Oh, it's for me? It's my phone. Your phone. Yeah. So, oh, yeah. You need to guess, David. I'm guessing, yeah. Yeah. Ellis, I don't... I don't know. Okay. I'm gonna guess the S26 Ultra. Why would you guess that? Really? That's like... I don't know. Really? Not anymore? Nah. 1 plus 15. S***. iPhone 17 Pro Max. Just give me the big one. That'll get a ton of years of software updates. Oh, you thought way too practical. For you, I would have put HTC One M8. Like, this is the phone that I can use forever. That's a different question. One phone that you can use forever. Assume it's working forever, perfectly functioning, perfectly... Oh, a hypothetical phone that works forever. Is it the S26 Ultra? No, I mean, I would probably use an older favorite phone from the past. it's just because you were always switching back to both the s24 and the s25 ultras but notably not the s26 i know that i know that but i this is the first year he's like mating a one plus damn yeah we tried yeah but you didn't like the camera on the one plus right not really yeah so that's why it was yeah but that's why he has an iphone air for that awesome single camera yeah what are you even doing for photography and i'll find x-men ultra you have three phones with you now yes Wait a second. What? When did this happen? I have a backpack for that. Wait, but don't you have the Hasselblad in the backpack? Not all the time. That thing is heavy. I've never seen him use the Hasselblad. Marquez, have you seen those? Do you know the harmonica vests? Kind of. Like, if you're really serious about harmonica, you avoid every key. You wear a vest and you keep... I think we might... You should get your own phone vest. I got the iPhone Air Pocket, the Exxon Ultra Pocket. Michael Fisher used to have one of those. Yeah. A little dual chest strap thing. I could rock that. Okay, anyway, Ellis and Mariah. Mariah, the first thing I have to deduce is whether or not you answered this question realistically or fancifully and went with a feature phone that is somehow miraculously working on modern, or if you went, you know, the realistic answer. I'm curious what Mariah would say. I think I think. I'm kind of panicked. I'm not going to lie. I kind of think I know. I think I know. Mariah doesn't like my answer. Yeah, I'm going to assume that means you went realistic, and if you panicked, it means you went with something reliable. So I'm going to say that you went with your classic, Coral, Pixel 6. That's my guess. That would be the safe answer and probably a more rational choice than the Pixel 3a. Why would you choose the Pixel 3a? The 3a? That's so specific. Because I had the Pixel 3a, and it was the nostalgia. I missed the back. Didn't have the fingerprint on the back? Yeah, that's a good one. She's kind of cute. It's small. Yeah, there's so much. It's in my pocket. The teal power button, right? Is that the one? No, that's the two. Didn't it have different... The 3A, I don't think, had that. I think it did. The 4A. The 4A. I'm remembering the two. I was at the 5A. The 4A had... The 3A came in a pink color or orange color. Yeah. We had a big argument. The 4Ds. The 4 came in the sand color. Not the 4A. It was purely... 4A came in 4A, I think. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. Like salmon. Yeah, salmon. It was just small. It's portable. It's not small. And it was affordable. The 3A was bigger than the 3. Well, 3XL, I think, was bigger. No, but no, the 3A was bigger than the 3. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me well. Yeah, it was annoyingly big. The nostalgia glasses are real. The A's are all big, which is annoying. Yeah, it was a terrible answer. I just find it hilarious that you chose an A's here. I was just going to get that. Yeah. All right, we got to lock back in. Lock. All right, all right. Lock back in. Lock back in. Locked out. We're locked out. We've got to lock in. We're one point ahead, but with no bonuses. No, two points ahead. Two points ahead. But no bonuses. We both have our bonuses. Yeah, they both have their bonuses. Okay. Next question. Window seat or aisle seat? Like, what would Marquette... Oh, what did I do? Yes. Oh, yeah. Look how fun the buttons on the Pixel 3 are. Oh, no. I'm actually... I actually... No, that's valid. I was picturing this accent. You do book my flights, Marquez. Well, Harvard does. I know, which is crazy, because i have logic for why you'd say both oh yeah i think i know the end yeah this is another 50 50 because of of booking in the past right because of i'm gonna use my i can't i'm not gonna say i can't use it yet i can't use it yet i can't use my confidence yet okay my logic is david's bringing his camera he's definitely gonna want a window seat to take pictures out the plane window however comma i think i'm the only one who prefers a window seat when i've booked people in the studio they either say give me an aisle or i don't care so i think david is one of the aisle people this is your official guess yeah god always window seat window is this question yeah because i love you preferred window yeah always always the only reason i say i don't care so that other people can get window seat i think we're all window seat people is this about when we're flying for i don't want to ask this question is that business class or economy class wow you rich i know i know i didn't want to it does matter that drastically yes that changes my answer that's true yeah that's a big difference so what is it for me it doesn't matter what would you put down i put like i can't say you have a different answer I put down economy because I'm a man of the people. In which case you prefer one thing. 100%. I think that helps me know what you said. It doesn't matter what you said. With my deductive reasoning and my 50-50% chance I do know on United that the aisle seat has smaller footroom. What? Really? Yeah. In a corner? Like, when you're putting your backpack under, actually, the backpack room is smaller than the window seat. Oh, that's great. Oh, that's great. The seat rails. But I do know you're a man of long legs. Mm-hmm. And so... My leg's the long way. That does make me feel like you would prefer more space. Mm-hmm. You like a view, but I feel like you value being closer to the snacks, which makes me feel like... This is the most, like, LLM. No, wait. You like a view, but you also prefer... I cannot answer this question. And I feel like you are an ILC early. You nailed it, Mariah. Because we got to lock in. Now, soundboard 2.0 has a long way button if you go to page one. Waveform podcast the long way. Okay, we got to lock in. Damn. We got to use our doubles. We never mentioned we updated the soundboard. You guys have been asking for weeks. It's true. There's a lot of new stuff on here. A lot of new sounds. We're trickling them out. Yeah. Nice. Alright. They'll be rolling out over the upcoming weeks. Lock in. Lock in. Lock in. We need this three-pointer right now. Okay. We need this tray. Try. Triple. Trip. We need this trip. Triple double flip. Your partner is making a list of specs in a Google Doc. Okay. Are they using dashes or bullet points? Oh, no. What kind of question is this? No, dude. It's designed to make you fight. Dude. Andrew and I... Wait. Don't give too much away. That's true. I can't say. Well, no, but Marquez is the one that's... I'm guessing him, so it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what I put. Okay. Andrew and I kind of co-write the podcast together, and I use bullet points, and he uses dashes, and it's infuriating. And I'm sure it's also infuriating for him. Why do you use... Let's get this argument out. I love the bullet points. Why? I don't know, man. I have a real big brain. answer for this. I have a small brain answer and it proves that I'm right. That's also the big brain answer, surprisingly. All right, flip and read. What do we got? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. Wait, we're not ready yet? We guessed. We haven't guessed yet. Oh, you're right. I'm in trivia mode. Do not flip and read. All right. Should I trip it right now? Should I trip this? It is 50-50. So it might be worth tripping. I'm going to trip it. Trip. I'm tripping for bullets. Marquez. Thank you, Marquez. It's dashes from me, dog. It's dashes. You literally just said he uses bullets. No, I use bullets. Andrew uses dashes. Where do you think he got that from? Daddy. Ellis, you're up. I'm just trying to think. We've definitely collabed on a Google Doc before. I just can't remember what you do. but I believe so strongly that one of these is the right answer. And I believe that answer is dashes, which is why I'm going to say, Mariah, you're probably a bullet point person. Nice. Nice. I knew if I went with my gut, I'd be wrong. I should have known that too. I like dashes because you don't need to click the mouse. That's true. That's true. You don't need to click the mouse. If you just hit the dash button on a new line and then hit space, it goes into formatting. But it turns into a bullet. No, it turns into a bullet. I think that's if you hit enter, it turns into a bullet. No, it never turns into a bullet. I do it all the time. I never. Wait, so you do use bullets? No, I hit a dash and hit space, and it makes it a bullet. In what word bullets? Maybe it's not Google Docs. So you use bullets? So in Apple Notes, I can say with 100% certainty it's dashes. Yeah, but it's Apple Notes. In TicTic, I know it makes it bullets, but maybe. The question was Google Docs. Yeah. It was about Google Docs. I think in Google Docs, it's also dashes. I was going to say, wait. So what do you think happens? Let me test it out right now. So if you hit, create a new line. Yeah. Create a new line. Hit dash. And then hit space. And then it should indent it. It stays a dash. Let's go. But it indents it? Yeah. It indents it, but it stays a dash. But I think you might be thinking of tick-tick. There's a couple apps that treat it differently. Damn. Yeah. Wow. Another zero. I'm sorry. How many points we got? Six points. All right. Marques, you got to use your trip on me. I do. You got to know what I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm trying to lock in. I'm locking in. Lock in. Okay. Are we ready? If they had to use one kind of phone for the next year, would it fold or flip? Me? You got to pick one. Oh, God. Sorry. For the next one year. For the next year. Just a year. No. It's terrible. Right. No, it's okay. I'm the sound guy. Okay. I got one. I think I got one. I'm nervous. My eraser looks like pig pen from the peanuts. My board does because of the lack of quality of my eraser. I'm nervous. I think Mariah should go first. Mariah, what'd I put? I feel like it's the opposite of what I would do. It is. You don't even know what I'm going to say. You can't tell her. You know what you're going to say. I do know what you're going to say. Okay. I have tiny pockets, so I'd want the flip. so I feel like you want the fold. Exactly. Because I love... That was really loud. Sorry about that. I love performatively reading and there's nothing better than reading on a folding phone. It's like a book but not... When you have a folding phone folded out and you're able to have two columns of text, it actually is like a game changer. And it says, look at me. Yeah. Look at me. Not quite as much as a book though. I'm reading. I'm better than you. I don't want to use my confidence. Sixers and seven. Even in your fantasy, you have Sixers going to the game seven? I'd be careful. Because that's... I'm like 78% sure of this one. 78, not 67? But unfortunately that means I'm 22% unsure, which is like one for five. Yeah. And I don't... I think you would want to max out and get a fold. It's one year. You could edit photos. You could use... Yeah, I'm going to go fold. Fold. Fold. Let's go. Nice. You didn't use the confidence. You did not use the confidence. Yeah. I wasn't confident. Yeah. I haven't used a flip since the first Z Flip. They're fun. Yeah. The Flip 7's fantastic. The new ones are great. Yeah. I should try one of the new ones. It's been a while. Okay. Next question. We didn't fall behind. No. We didn't fall behind. No. We need to hit a huge three to cut the lead. Huge trip. Huge trip. Yeah. Yeah. What is one thing that your partner actually uses AI for? Go. Editing his videos. I've answered this on the podcast already. Am I allowed to guess? You have nothing? Sure, yeah. I wish I could use my trip right now because I know this. Damn. Wait, why can't you use the trip? Because I already tried already. I think I know this. I might not. No. oh wait i guess i didn't have to write it down okay i wrote well i i'm saying brainstorming okay that is does that count the second thing i use it for the number one thing i use it for is it for emails yeah you guys all looked at me like i had my head chopped off um i hate when i get an email that was clearly written by ai that's why i make it unclear keep them guessing yeah honestly all the emails damn ai talking to ai anymore at least they didn't use my trip you know what i'm saying yeah true yeah mariah you're not right that's also yeah my first instinct is that you wrote you don't use it for anything but i do know of one thing that you used to use it for occasionally and i just don't know if you put it or not but because it's so infrequent which is when you had a pixel editing photos to make them funny in slack like you did the one of you touching the ceiling and jumping really high oh yeah um that's funny but i don't think you did that i think you wrote nothing i think nothing was my default but then i realized I actually do use it only to compile lists. So I'll feed it like an image that I want it to turn into a list or a receipt and I want it to break it down. And that's all I really do. Wait, that's actually a really smart use case. Yeah, I'm not going to do the math. I've got to figure it out. Otherwise, nothing. Okay. Well, score is still 7-3. Who has their trips left? Only Marquez. Just me. I guess I've got to use it soon. How many questions are left? I have... Enough for us to win. I have five questions left, but AI has like 30 pulled up. Okay, David. Yeah, I'm ready. Locked. Locked. The f***. I'm in. Locked and loaded. Speaking of locking in, great segue. What is one sign that your partner is locked in and in the zone and should not be bothered? Me? What? So y'all are answering? I already forgot who's writing. Who just signed? Okay, yeah. I think that was a pretty clear one. Okay. I'm trying to think if there's any others. Quick reminder, the only one with a trip is Marquez. I think I'm going to use it. Really? Damn, David, I think this trip thing might stick. I'm going to start calling him that. Mike, maybe with the trip? Yeah, why not? Sure. Is this still writing? Sorry, I tried to write a letter, but it looked like another letter, and I didn't want the viewers to laugh at me. They're going to do that anyway. And I welcome it. I'm wearing a blue dog on my head. This is nuts. All right, should I go first? Yeah. I'm using my confidence. Oh, snap. My three. Okay. Using the trip. I think when David's locked in, he's got his AirPods in. Don't interrupt what he's doing. He's in the zone. Okay. it's just like my airpods on he's got headphones on somehow yeah david uh does this count i can't hear you the does that mean what do you mean by that okay you know when okay it's like when i'm locked in right i'm like yeah i'm working on something i'm thinking really hard and someone's like hey david david david and i can't hear them because you have headphones well some sometimes you because you have headphones your own partner is like no come on i can't hear you because i have headphones on yeah i feel like that's close enough i think that's fair yeah that's the truth he's got metaphorical headphones on yeah brain where's your competitive spirit for the sake of the game i'll give it to him yeah that's nice all right that was the most roundabout way of saying that now it six to seven ah damn it just right after selling our team out like that I think if you at work here I think the door is closed Boom, baby. Let's go. That's like the most obvious. That seems like an Ellis question. Yeah. Give me some little reverb right now. Let's go. Nice. I actually thought that that was a long time. Like, Ellis' answer was obviously if he's, like, in the audio room or clothes, whatever. I thought the obvious other answer was you're wearing headphones. So I was like, this will be an easy point. Yeah. So did I. You both got it. I wear headphones all the time. Like, I wear headphones, like, 80% of my waking life. Wait, was that Marquez's confidence answer? That was. Oh, my God. Yeah, so now it's 8 to 6. But he got it right. He got it right, though. It's okay. We're still winning. Yeah. You're winning by two. By two. F***. All right. All right. All right. The score is 8-6. How many more questions do you guys want? Enough for us to win. So three? Three more questions? Three more questions. All right. Three more questions. Got to go perfect. If you missed one, it's game over. Yeah. Can't miss. It's a game-winning three. Yeah, we got to get the perfect score. Game-winning trip. Lock-in. Game-winning trip. Mike Bibby. Mike Bibby. As they say in the league, Bibby style. Bibby style. Bibby style. All right. Bibby bubble head. Do you think Mike Bibby listens to this podcast? God, I hope so. That'd be sick. He used to be one of my favorite players. He's lit. Just like Slovakovich or whatever his name is. Stolyakovich. Nice, nice. Look at you, David. I'm so proud of you. Hey, man. Slovakovich. David knows ball. I live near Sacramento. Near. All right. What is the screen time on your partner's phone right now? Screen time for the day? Delta. Close going over. We'll do Delta with this one. Which phone? What would you consider is your primary phone? The one plus 15. I have one more question. Is it listed as a decimal? Like, point blank hours? It's hours and 15. Hours and minutes. Hours and 15. Is it listed in hour and 15 increments? In my head, I was just picturing, like, eight hours and 15 minutes. So I said 15. Correct. Clearly wrong. Screen time today. Screen time today. Oh, thus far today? Like, thus far today, yeah. To Diddy. Mind you, what time is it? It is now 12.53 in the p.m. Okay. All right. I'm going to guess one hour, 15 minutes. One hour and 15 minutes, Marquez. I think you're under. Ooh, 13 minutes off. Oh, no. Marquez put one hour and 28 minutes. Let's go. So you're 13 minutes off. We're locked in. Very close. All right. That's about as close as I think you're going to be. Can Mariah and Ellis beat this? I'm going to try to live my day in the world of Mariah. I think like this. It'd take a while. That's right. I think like 12.54. Mariah's like 12 hours, 64 hours? I think Mariah wakes up unbelievably early due to the horrors. I think Mariah is confronted by the horrors. That's a fair guess. The screens. Yeah, almost immediately. And resolves this by going on her phone. I think this begins at approximately... 10 a.m. That's when work starts. Mariah, I think thus far today... It's like 25. Does driving apps count a screen on time? Yeah. It does. It does. It takes you into a camera. CarPlay, however, does not. I think you've used your phone for two hours. Oh, man, I'm already wrong. Two hours and 27 minutes. Okay. So I have to preface this with I have switched to the S24 Ultra. It does fun things, fun things that punish you. And that means that when you plug in your phone, you can have it show little picture slideshows. How cute. When you plug it in overnight, it counts that as screen time. Really? Because of the screen time? Did they even test this? And so I'll wake up and it'll say 10 hours of screen time. I'm like, that's crazy. I've been unconscious. And so today it decided that I have had five hours and nine minutes of screen time. Wow. Which means it didn't even show pictures all night long. So what's the point? I think you should be a professional phone, Riviera Murat. You're actually finding the crazy. Yeah, that was good. This was a huge problem. That point goes to Marquez and David. Sorry. We were doomed from the first one. We only need two more points. We just need to miss one question. It's not enough that we just need to make one question and we tie. I know. In which case, we got a shot. Oh my god. Game seven. I've been here before. Game seven. All right. Yeah, it said on Sunday, I had 11 and a half hours of screen time. Damn. And half of that's from the Google photos. 11 and a half hours. Sheesh. That's a lot. That's wild. Okay. Next question. For the tie or to pull away, how many unread emails are in your partner's main inbox right now? Marquez's is? Yep. No, it's yours. It's mine? You're talking about like personal emails. Wait. We just answered. Yeah. Or work email. How many emails are in your inbox? my main email main yeah exactly unread emails because i know david has like the all inbox features can i look like a thousand yeah you're supposed to look at my main you mean my like my professional one right it just says main 99 plus it doesn't like main as in professional not like my high school that i use for spam right on desktop i think you can see the full number i'm just gonna go by the number that's on my ios icon red okay yeah wait should i do that too sure but That's also got my spam email in it. Okay, fine. Screw it. Let's do that. Should we do it? Yeah, why not? Just do the number on your home screen. Do it all. Okay. It's really important. Is this... Is this... We'll do Delta with this one. We'll do Delta. No, wait. That's going to be crazy. Okay, closest without going over. I don't want to do math. Yeah. Closest without going over. Okay. Closest without going over. I feel like you have commas in your number. Okay. Oh, man. We're worse. we are the worst to be fair i i really try to to make this better every week and it never gets better uh it doesn't matter it compounds it does it's okay all right i these numbers are terrible they're gonna be atrocious is this like your oldest email you've this is like the gmail icon on your home screen so it counts for all of your emails oh it like compounds all of them i think so This number is in the thousands. This is thousands of emails. I can't speak. I'm not going to make any faces. I just want you to dig deep into your heart and give me the perfect number, Mariah. I think this has to be at least, I'm going to say a round number, 10,000. Okay. 10,000. Mariah, go to the answer. Whoa. Crap. What's the answer? The answer is 10,097. That's so close. How many emails, like, accounts do you have? Wait, that is disturbing. This is pluses with going over but not Delta, right? Yeah. I have to get within 97 of your number without going over. Or the game is over. No pressure, Marquez. We're asking you to make a double coverage logo three. It's game time. And David's, without question, a ridiculous number. But how ridiculous? It's more than that, if I had to guess. I do think so. They did sit next to each other for a long time. There's for sure a comma in there. David asked about the icon and the spam email and all kinds of other stuff. So I'm going with almost an Olivia-like number here. I think you have, let's go with 34,006. Can it go that high? We're about to find out. No, I have 11,927. That means Mariah and Ellis win the game. Oh! Well played. Wow. That was good. That's an incredible snipe, 10,000 emails. That was really good. That was crazy. It feels appropriate. You know how they say if you have 10,000 hours in something, you're a master? Ellis is a master. How many unread emails do you think I have right now? I don't know, like one. Yeah, I was excited to guess for you. I know the answer. It's probably one or two. It's zero. during it'll be how many i got during the podcast as we sat during the podcast 18 as we've sat here if i got to guess for marquez they would have been incredible we would have gotten a point but yeah there's really no no knowing how many emails 13 give it time 13 that's a lot for the package a lot together bro just sitting here yeah that's crazy not bad all right well we're gonna take it to ad break while mariah and i high five a few times and then um we'll be back Well, we've got to do trivia questions, right? Oh, my God. I forgot. Oh, yeah. Do we do them from here? Yeah, because I have my question memorized because I'm a freaking... He's probably a beast. I'll just put the trivia question. I love that. That might be my favorite one. That's so good. Guys. Yeah. Guys. Yep. We're all excited for the Pixelbook Glow because it has lights on the outside. That's right. But I don't know if you remember, back in the day, MacBook also had some lights on the outside. Talked about it last week. Real dorks will remember that the light on the outside of the MacBook, that glowing logo, was not actually a dedicated component. What component already present in the laptop was used to illuminate the logo? That's a good question. Thank you. Cool. Grok context, please. Oh, Mariah, you will be answering for Andrew. Yes, this week. I'm so sorry, Andrew. What's it called in the Hunger Games? Tribute? No, maybe I'm thinking of someone else. You're champion. You are Andrew's champion. How did I get the Hunger Games and Dune next time? Same vibe. Hit the boo button. Well, the answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Welcome back. there's a post on our subreddit that I want to address no David there's a post that says which people do you think hate each other on waveform we all love each other guys it's not like that the post said that Ellis and I hate each other which is crazy because we would kiss in the Vision Pro if we could we only have one literally every Wednesday David and I get Chinese food for breakfast together and drive to work it's not like that So I just wanted to say that everyone here loves each other. Deeply. That's very good. Oh, my God. Exactly. Adam loves that new button. It's so good. You got to chill with that button. Yeah. So, yeah, there wasn't a lot of news this week. Yes, but people did tag me in something that I had no idea what was going on. And I was like, well, what are you talking about? And then I figured that I would ask David here on the pod, because I have him here on the pod, to talk about your picture going viral. So I saw your tweet. Okay. Well, okay. I saw it on Twitter and threads. Yeah. I first saw it quote tweeted on Twitter. So someone else tweeted it on my timeline. And then I saw that I'd clicked in and it had like 10,000 retweets or something. Yeah. And then I opened up threads and I saw it on threads too from you this time. And it had, I think, 8,000 likes on threads. Yeah, yeah. So it's a certified banger. What is the post? Okay. And what happened? And where were you? I just want to ask, do you guys know what a visual metaphor is? No. Yes. No, not on the internet. Those don't exist. Can you describe a visual metaphor, Marquez? Well, a simile is when you compare things using the word like, and a metaphor is when you compare things without using the word like. Wow. So instead of saying, this car is like a boat, I would say, this car is a boat. Anyway, a visual metaphor is comparing things visually without using any, this is kind of like this language. Yeah. Okay. is that what your post was okay so i just want to give you some yes okay so uh last saturday i walked 29 000 steps because it was a really nice day weird flex but okay i'm just gonna let you know i respect it i'm still in pain so anyway i got to my destination but i overshot it by a little bit there was a little park there so i sat in the park and it's classic new york beautiful like late afternoon sun setting park uh in new york there are these chess tables where there are tables that have like a chess board like embedded in the stone table you know iconic new york situation right and i was sitting there and i saw this guy sitting on his chess tables with his laptop like in his lap playing chess on like a chess with chess.com website yeah chess.com like on the chess table with no one across from him and i was just like visual metaphor right this is the photographer's eye you've trained for years so i use my iphone air at 6x zoom from very far away it's really bad uh but it's what i had on me and i took a photo i made sure to like david you know what they say about the camera you have on you it's the worst the worst uh you know i made sure to crop out any identifying features about him i only had like his hands with the laptop so you could see the screen that was the chess app or the chess website with the chessboard and i made sure to shoot it from high enough down so you could see the the chessboard the on the table anyway i was just like i just put it on social media i said 2026 yeah because it represents it's a visual metaphor because it represents the fact that we are no longer playing things in front of each other doing connection in front of each other now everything you do is online and you're connecting with strangers that you don't really know metaphors hit a lot harder when you explain them i mean apparently i have to this is what okay this is what what's the beef most of their quote tweets and the replies and everything were just like well who is he supposed to play with there was no one on the other side yes that is the entire point yeah that's what makes it a good and there were people that were like don't judge don't judge strangers and i was like i'm not judging him they're judging them it's a it's a visual metaphor for our society your caption was 2026 that's all the caption it's a it's clearly saying like this picture represents this year yeah yeah yeah i do see how this could be threads rage bait i'm not gonna lie talk about it marina rage bait talk about it some threads that are just kind of like look at this thing yeah but i didn't say look at this guy what a loser playing chess by himself You know what I mean. Like, it's something generic enough. It hits a mainstream audience, and then there's nothing to guide the interpretation, so it's just open to what anyone thinks. I love the picture. The problem with all algorithmic social media... You disagree? Sorry. No, I want your take. I want your take. Well, no, I disagree with Mariah. Oh. I think... I think... Man, I don't want to insult people. Yeah, look at these comments. It's almost as if he needs another person to play chess. Yes! they're taking a literal interpretation of it yeah and they're not understanding the visual metaphor i think yeah screams that you know we talk about like media literacy being in crisis like to me this is like a slam dunk of literacy like like it could it could it's like the if we lost the ability to process like symbolism yeah yeah what like social media just flattens everything which to mariah's point is the mainstream like once it hits that mainstream audience you lose all of that. You lose a nuance. And you get like Karen from Ohio who's like, where's the other person? That's a problem. Yeah. It's like a big problem. That's why it was such a beautiful post. And thank you for people tagging me telling me to talk about it. It seems like it started a conversation, good or bad, so I think that's probably the most interesting part of it. It hit the Twitter number one what's happening today thing. Someone sent me a screenshot of that. You know what's super funny too is the amount of people that like acquaintances that i have that sent me like meme compilation pages that just stole the post and like removed my name so i was gonna say that's how i first saw the picture was someone just posted your picture yeah and like had a caption like this is what's wrong with 20 and i was like okay scroll right by whatever and then i saw yours and i was like wait a second yeah this is david's picture yeah so he tweeted this six years ago now i know what it feels yeah exactly Now, I know what it feels like to have someone just rip your content and put it on meme pages and stuff. Yeah. But I've had a ton of people send me, like, various meme pages that just, it's like, whatever. Marquez has no experience with that. Not at all. I was going to say, welcome to the life cycle of a viral social media post. It will be stripped of its context and re-digested by every other commentator and their own angle. Yeah. And there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah. The thing about social media that I think sometimes is interesting. Okay, I had a conversation. This is an off-camera, off-kilter, random conversation I had with a YouTube engineer about features that they could add or not add to YouTube. Okay. And they told me, you know, in a few words, that they tend to be pretty minimal with the features that they add or don't add. And algorithmically, they could make big changes, but they tend not to. And they let people's algorithms reflect them. like they could choose to push certain things or or even uh remove certain things from the algorithm because it would be better for society in their own judgment but the second you make a judgment and influence it then slippery slope you you have to judge a whole bunch of other things right all the section 230 problems that come along with that so his his basic stance was like youtube is like it's so dense with media and so many people and so much stuff that it's kind of just like a mirror of society and uh all the good and all the bad and when a post goes viral it's like unnaturally exposing your art to the whole world usually it doesn't work that way usually you expose it to the audience it's designed for yeah and that's it but on social media you can sometimes expose it to the entire world which comes with all of the interesting positive interpretations and then all of the random people who were never meant to see this who have all sorts of nonsensical things to say about it and yeah that happens all the time yeah well it's kind of a bummer when there's even like when it's stripped of there's even there's things like cultural context right like when when you're shown to the entire world on a platform yeah all of the context is just like you're going to be shown to people who just do not understand what you're trying to say or like the target demographic is no longer the only audience of that yeah so i don't know i don't even care about you know the meme pages stealing it and stuff i just found it funny that like multiple people that i know sent it to me but it's more i was more frustrated by like 80 of the replies and quote tweets just like a lot of them i think they did understand the visual metaphor but they were rage baiting by quote tweeting and being like yeah what a dumbass i just that's also how people get likes themselves i know hop onto the thing that's there's a there's a guy that quote tweeted me and he was very nice he said this photo deserves a pulitzer oh and his his quote tweet got like almost as many likes as the post and then i saw him post later like wow my posted numbers i was like you didn't make a post you just quote tweeted my post yeah what is social media anymore it's like it's just like big competition it's hard because it makes me like kind of not want to engage and interact on platforms i i've been thinking about this so much for the last couple of years like i'm less and less inclined to say anything on social media anymore because it feels like the incentive structures are all leaning towards people having opposing opinions to you most inflammatory possible response will be rewarded the most yeah exactly exactly and so having any opinion or posting anything, people are just going to come for you. It's like, why am I even putting this out into the world if I'm just inviting people to scream at me? I'm going to clip that, put it on TikTok. Good. I'm going to repost it after you do that. We live in the clip economy now, baby. Anyway. David, thank you for explaining that to me because I had no idea what they were talking about until they tagged me in it. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service to the world. You're welcome. It deserves a Pulitzer. Alright, on to trivia. This is my new trivia starting gesture. That's also the timeout gesture. Making a T with your hands. Technical foul. I was going to say, like, I just feel like you're giving me a tech. Ellis. Trivia tech. If you can call it a tech, you should be able to call it a trip. Just saying. Got him. That's. I like it. I'm on board with this trip whole situation. This whole trip situation. All right. Question number one. Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. This is Mariah's first time hearing this question So you have to answer for Andrew What was the size of the screen? Closest without going over Of which device? The Chromebook Pixel that came out in 2013 It was a laptop A Chromebook I wasn't born yet Yeah That was only came on live in 2014 That wasn't the one with the light bars was it? It was Oh shoot I didn't have that one i had the one that folded in half that like folded over itself the pixel book i had the pixel book no yeah chromebook pixel oh gee yep the cr48 that was og one of them yeah i don't know oh but he's talking about the first premium one yes okay that was matt black unbranded with a light bar it was sick had a light bar or maybe not a light bar i think the premium one had the light bar yeah yeah All right. Flip them and read. What do we got? We have a resolution. All over the praise. All right. Who wants to go first? I wrote 12 inches. Okay. I said 14. Okay. I was thinking Chromebook size, so I said like 10. All right. The winner. Not a standard size. Wait, what about Ellis? No, Ellis is... What about Ellis? Oh, right, right. Sorry to be a master. It's a part. I was just thinking about you, you know, as always. Because I love you. I love you, too. Okay. I'm teeing you up I thought it was like 13 points that can't happen when it's supposed to it's funny you're out of context I'm afraid that it's between 12 and 14 wait so what size is this it is come on baby 14.2 12.2 12.85 no let's go David gets the point let's go damn I forgot our laptops used to be smaller yeah little babies alright Ellis You haven't counted for inflation there. Netbooks. Thesis EEE PC. I had one of those. Wow. It's so good. I can't believe I put that button in there. I was like, I don't think we're going to use that that much. It's so good. All right. Guys. What made the logo on the back of the old MacBook Pros glow? What was this without going over? The CPU. The CPU. Technically it powered it. Who's to say really it feels anything in the computer? God. Andrew, come back. It's all a computer. Everything's computer. Everything's computer. It's beautiful. Alright. I also don't know the answer to this, so I'm going to wait. Really? Yeah, I'm going to wait on Ellis. This is one of those perfectly structured trivia questions where I don't know the answer, but because of the way it's formatted, I learned the answer, and I'm pretty sure I'm right. Cool. Alright. Cool. I thought this would be more of a layup. I have a guess. I just don't know. Yeah, let's see it. I wrote the LCD. Marquez, you put? The LCD backlight. I put display, but I meant also LCD. Or God? I need a concept here. Display or God. The way an LCD screen works, for those who don't know, is you have these, I believe they're... Light-emitting diodes? No, LCD. You have these liquid crystal. I think they're based on quartz, these structures. They can twist. right when you run current through them that they have the ability to twist and when they twist certain ways they can block light when they twist other ways they don't block like liquid crisp so what you do is you put a big light behind that called a backlight yeah and then each crystal will twist and untwist and that's what uh you know blocks the light and creates different pixel color brightnesses whatever um so the way that the glowing logo and those old metal macbook pros if you're ancient and remember, what they do is they just cut out the aluminum so that the backlight shone through. So should we give everyone the point or just Marquez? Because Marquez was the only one that put backlight, but I feel like I'm the only one backlight. I mean, I meant in Jeopardy, they would have said, can you be more specific? And I would have said the backlight. Well, if they asked me to be more specific, I would have said the backlight. I hope you would have said that. Okay, well, next time I'm going to say, can you be more specific? But I think we should award three points. So they all get the point. Thank you, God. Thank you. Good luck, Andrew. Good luck out there. I can't believe this. I feel like I'm the only one who should be getting a point. Normally I am that strict, but I don't know. I'm feeling kind of good today. Maybe I'm trying to put... But I think that was a good question because as you said, the logo is not its own component. I said, oh, I had no idea. And he said which part of the PC illuminated it. So I had to deduce that the only reasonable answer is they used the backside of the backlight. Exactly. It was one of those really clever Apple decisions where they discovered if we just cut the aluminum like this, it'll glow because of the backlight until you're using it outdoors in a really bright area, and then there's a part of your screen of lower contrast in the shape of the Apple logo in the center. Cool. Damn. Sweet. Okay. All right. Well, comment section, let me know if you disagree with that ruling. And let me know if liquid crystals are not actually based on quartz. Can somebody tell me what happens inside of my computer? And that's our next episode. Thanks for watching. Thank you for listening and for tuning in this week. And, of course, when all the news happens on Thursday, we'll be here next week to talk about it as well. Catch you guys later. Peace. Goodbye. Peace. Six and seven. Waveform produced by Adam Alia and Alice Revin And this week Mariah Zake We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network And our intro outro music is produced By Vane It's the waveform bros Whose voice is that? It's yours I was like that sounded like me Did I say it? It's you I don't remember saying that I don't remember why you said that I don't remember We cannot find the context We gotta use that as like an intro jingle Or like an outro jingle for every episode It's so good. Fromm ran on four gigs of RAM back in the day. That's crazy.