College Pipelines on Display at Super Bowl LX

welcome back to ringer tailgate the wednesday and only edition of the show during the week i'm your host tate frazier we are here we're going to talk super bowl try to relate it back to college football as best we can we also got some fun stuff ahead maybe a big van on campus maybe an appearance from Billy Gill, who was actually a radio row at the Super Bowl. So we'll get to that. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to Van Lathan. Van, what's going on, man? What up, what up, what up, what up, Kid Cudi? I never know what Van's going to say. They got me fired up. And then we got Joel Anderson, who, Joel, are we doing an award show here? You look dressed up. You look nice. Should we raise the roof? Yeah, we should raise the roof. As I mentioned before the show, I went to the funeral of a friend's father today in Virginia. and so you know i had to put on my suit man and pay my respects to mr stanton yeah let's pour one out pay our respects old irish catholic service man rest in peace to mr stanton mission always it's a it's always sad when people go but it's a blessing to celebrate lives were well led yeah yeah it was dope it was really it was like it was a throwback because the priest really knew Mr. Stanton. He was like, yeah, I was on his boat one time. Yeah, and I was like, man, it's very rare that you go to a funeral these days and the pastor actually knew the person who's officiating the ceremony. So that was really dope, man. So yeah, it was nice. I mean, as funerals go, it was nice to be there. Yeah, it's also, like you said, when it doesn't feel like they just got cue cards with a couple things to hit and they just kind of formulate a little message or whatever when they actually know the stories, it's always good stuff. We love that. Let's get to one big reaction to Super Bowl. Big Sunday. Obviously, a lot going on with the Super Bowl. We're going to get to how it relates back to college football. But just one big reaction. Let's start there. Super Bowl 60 in Santa Clara. We were not there. Billy Gill was there on Radio Row. We'll get Billy's thoughts at some point. But, Van, did you have a big reaction to the Super Bowl? Any thoughts from this? This was the most disinterested in a Super Bowl I've been in in a long time. not just the game itself, which Joel loves defensive football, struggle. And if you love defensive football, this game had a lot for you. But I just think this year, maybe it was a – I came down from last year. Last year was my best Super Bowl experience I've ever had. I was there in New Orleans for the entire week. Lots of people were there. I got stories on stories on stories. I could tell stories of the whole Ringer crew in the casino that Friday night going crazy. Tell stories of Jack and Raheem, Acme's Oyster House. There's all kinds of stories I could tell. How many people from the Ringer went? Because I worked at the Ringer then. How did they decide who was going? Well, they decided, obviously, that you weren't going. Clearly, yeah. They decided that you were right. But by the way, serves you right. And I'll tell you why. Because you were making so much of the fact that we didn't get credentialed for the Miami game. Serves you right, okay? But this year, I think overall, maybe it was just like the juxtaposition to that, but just the lead up to it, the build up to it, the entire thing that weren't any really compelling storylines. congratulations to the Seahawks the game was what it was but the entire Super Bowl this year just kind of was not my deal like as a sports event very meaningful as a sports fan but as a Super Bowl spectacles show it just wasn't my thing this year felt like a lot of apathy out there uh Joel do you agree do you or did you love this game because you do love defensive football I do like defensive football but I like defensive football when there's a great offense on the other side and they're having to struggle to figure it out. And you can just see, okay, like this quarterback and this offense, they need a moment to figure out what's going to work against this defense. And in this case, it was like, oh, these are just two average to below average quarterbacks. Sorry, Tate, I'm talking about your boy. But, you know, I mean, it's kind of crazy to say that about a guy who was like one vote away from being the MVP. But it doesn't feel the same when it's just like, oh, these offenses can't do shit and the defenses don't respect them. You remember when like they were just biting on every, every throw Sam Darnold made in the first quarter, like they broke on it early. You know what I mean? And I was going to get one. I did. I thought he was going to get one away. I mean, Gonzalez almost had one on JSN. Yeah. He really should have had one. Yeah. And so I just didn't, you know, it wasn't a bad game, but it didn't have a lot of energy. And I mean, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't know what accounts for that. Like maybe it's because there wasn't a great quarterback in the game or like a truly a team that people think of as truly dominant like maybe it was that but uh nah i wasn't you know i wasn't that excited about it but it was the last football game for the next few months and so i have no choice but to get hype about it because i feel you i see the what's down the road here and it's nothing but you know what i was actually thinking about the cfp needs a real televised halftime show oh they do go they're like why can't they do it Yeah. Bro, look. I mean, college football basically already has a Jay-Z. Brett Yarmark, the commissioner of the Big 12, that was the former CEO of Roc Nation. They could pull that off, man. You remember, Tate, when they had that game? Was it Clemson? Came down to North Carolina, and we spent so much time talking about how Ludacris was going to have a show before the game. And I'm like, college football could do that. Like, why don't they do that? It was like 9 a.m. It was the earliest concert of Ludacris' career, he said. Yeah, he don't be waking up before nine for nobody, man. Yeah, I mean, that's horrible. But, yeah, I mean, this is interesting. What can college football learn from the Super Bowl? Like, just overall, when we're talking about the entire spectacle of the Super Bowl, college football is a different sport, but it is trending in a more professional way. If they're going to take lessons from the Super Bowl and making it that type of spectacle, you're not going to capture all of America like that, but what lessons can they learn? What could they steal? Yeah, I mean, they definitely. The thing is, college football, because it's so regional and whatever, they don't have to shoot for the stars and get a Kendrick or a Bad Bunny. Like, let's say, all right, they go to Tampa in 2029 for the national championship game. Okay. Would you be mad if Dolce headlined that little show? Hell nah. Yeah. That would be huge. Yeah. Would you be mad if that was, I take that as disrespect to Dolce, honestly. No, I mean, would you be mad? Yeah. Would you be mad? If she had to headline the Super Bowl, people would be like, that's not Doshi. No, I would love it. I don't want to see her. I want to see Doshi. I love Tampa. I would even show up for that because I'd probably get credentialed. I don't know if y'all would, but I would. If you went to 2030, the game is in Miami Gardens. Billy, what if they had Gloria Estefan in the Miami Sound Machine? Oh, no. Oh, Billy. Yeah. What if they had Gloria Estefan? What if they did that? Are we starting this again with glorious stuff? You would love that. We did. They had Pitbull at the last one, like before. You could get Pitbull. Yeah. You work at Pitbull. I mean, Pitbull Stadium on the weekends, every home Saturday. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to be real with you, man. I don't think Roc Nation would do this, but Pitbull would be a fucking fire Super Bowl halftime show. Pitbull, Flo Rida. Who else? Do the whole Florida thing. Trick Daddy. Trick Daddy. Rick Ross. Trina. You know? Oh, Trina. The baddest bitch. The baddest pitch. Yeah. All right. That's right. That's a great halftime performance. I mean, also, this year we had Lil Uzi Vert on the sideline. Lil Uzi could have easily done halftime. 15 minutes? No problem. I just feel like college football is missing out. Like, right now they have the participating schools' bands go through their little routine. And I'm like, we could spiff that up a little bit, right? Like, if they just had to be a part of it, they could back whoever. You know, next year, it's in Vegas. I mean, I don't know who's famous from Vegas. All I remember from Vegas is 702. Okay, yeah. Wayne Newton's there. You could do, with Vegas, you could do, if you're going to do a Super Bowl in Vegas or you could do a halftime show in Vegas, you could do people from Vegas, right? And then you'd have some people, you'd have Jimmy Kimmel come out there and do a thing. Welcome to Vegas and the whole nine, whatever. But you could also do artists that made their bones in Vegas. Yep. Like people that have had long Vegas. You could have Celine Dion. Adele. You could have a bunch of – you could do the whole rotation of Vegas love. Janet? Janet. Janet Jackson. Janet. A lot of people, people that are more synonymous with Vegas and then people who – you got Terry Fader come out, all right? Do like puppets of the game, right, doing the thing. You could go crazy with Vegas, man. Hair top, yeah. Boy, I tell you what. The Super Bowl is in Vegas, what year – like what year is – when is the Super Bowl in Vegas? It's not next year. It is next year. I thought it's L.A. next year. Yeah, it's L.A. next year. It's L.A. next year. Wait, what? Are you sure? Challenge football is in Vegas next year. No, that's Super Bowl. In the Super Bowl in L.A. next year. The Super Bowl is in L.A. Yeah, the championship game. Challenge football is in Vegas. I'm telling you guys right now. So Vegas is getting – Vegas is about to become the sports capital of America. It is. It is. Vegas is going to become the sports capital of America. What Vegas needs right now, the NBA just announced an expansion, and the two teams are probably going to be Las Vegas and Seattle. The NBA is going there. The NFL is already there. If the Raiders become relevant, truly relevant, right? They're going to get Fernando Mendoza. They have NBA. Vegas is going to become one of the number one spots for sports entertainment like in the country. That's going to be terrible. That's going to ruin a lot of shit. What? right that's not why i figured that was going as well yeah there's gonna be right now because the ladies in the wmba have been the vanguards of vegas sports but they also have the nhl right those guys are good what are they golden knights yeah the golden knights and the aces yeah the white knights of vegas or something like that the golden knights they should go running rebels man Exactly, same thing. But I still am one of those people that believe that a lot of sports culture in Vegas is going to end up in some tremendous scandal at some point. I still think it's coming. I still think it's coming. Fucking God, you guys don't agree. I don't care what anybody says. Wait, what would be the scandal? You mean gambling, or would it be like buying some hoes or something? I mean, all of the above. I think all of the above. It's legal there. Yeah. It's legal there. Not in Vegas. Oh, it's outside of Vegas, right? Outside. I think you don't know. outside it's in Peronf I think I'll just never forget you go to Vegas down the street and homeboy doing that with the paper with the paper trying to get your attention man flip like here here here here yeah they just give you a card like when I was like 8 years old when I heard I don't know how old I was first time I went to Vegas they were just giving out cards I was like what and then I was like oh this is not like Pokemon cards why were you in Vegas at 8 I was young I was at a Carolina basketball game of course you were you know about the the so because they have all those ranches out there one time when i was in vegas i drove out to see heidi fleiss's house in pa rumph nevada because she was in pa rum right on the border and so i drove up to her house to see if i ended you know to keep away stuff like that you know why do do we believe this story no i did drive up to the bunch to one of them ranch. I just wanted to see what it looked like from the front. I didn't go inside. I was like, I think I got a picture. Joel, nobody believes you. I didn't have money for that. It's like, Joel, I just went to Krispy Kreme just to look at the donuts. You go to Krispy Kreme, try a couple glazed. I wasn't trying to buy nothing, man. I promise you. I just wanted to see what it looked like. That's all. You know why I did it? You were window shopping. I was window shopping. Also, but you know what it is? I did it so I could have that story to tell today sometimes i just do shit for the story man what it was it was all part i drove through death valley uh on that trip man yeah i just it's a great drive just do from la to vegas is a fun drive yeah just go just go do shit like it a lot yeah yeah i used to like it a lot it's like a very cool drive to do yeah it's very like it's like you're almost at the end of the earth you know yeah and that's what it was like going out to heidi fleiss's house gotcha all right all right uh man that was great uh billy you were at super bowl radio row we don't have to get into our octavia spencer disaster but wait that was a whole heidi fly story that you drove out there just to say that to us now 20 years later do you want me to tell you the whole story yeah yeah yes it's the off season joel all right so i did a story on this uh uh female boxing judge who cj ross she got basically banned you know booted out of uh high level boxing because she had bungled some cards before like she had fucked up a pacquiao fight and something else and my story was like hey is this actually like are people jumping on her because she's a bad judge or is this a element of sexism and so she had never talked to anybody before and she talked to me for that story and i wrote it for buzzfeed but part of it you want to go to a place man i like i want to see the flavor of a place bro i'm that's why i always have a car when i go out of town i'm just gonna drive and see some shit dog so i went i drove through the red rock mountains is that what they're called the red yeah sure outside they are red and i wanted to go see the uh laundromat that he flies owned in parrump because this this judge cj ross actually lived in parrump but she was moving when I interviewed her. She moved to some place. I don't even know if I should tell people because she's a private citizen at this point. But anyway, it was just a lot of fun. But the thing about CJ Ross is that I showed up and I was supposed to meet her at a casino just off the strip and she didn't show up. She stood me up. Oh, shit. And so that's what happened. I was like, well, man, you're not going to be able to do that to me. So I just drove to her house, man, and knocked on her door. Let me see if she's at Heidi Flaes' house. So wait a second. So you were supposed to do an interview with someone. They didn't show up, so you went to their personal home. I went to their personal home. Fantastic. Journalism, baby. I did that with Josh Rosen, too, man. Josh Rosen, UCLA wouldn't let me talk to him, so I drove to his mom and daddy's house in Manhattan Beach. We got to do a whole segment on Joel getting the scoop. Yeah. Because I wish a motherfucker would come to my crib. That's why I didn't do the interview. But, Joel, you getting the scoop. They weren't happy about it. They weren't. I'm sure. Like, you getting the scoop was very important. But this is how you got to where you are. Like, y'all don't know the Joel that I know. Y'all didn't listen to Slow Burn. Y'all didn't like it. A lot of you did. But this is a scoop getter over here. Joel is a scooper. I will say. Scooper Anderson. I will say this is how I ended up getting Clarence Thomas' mama. You know, I just rolled up to the house, man. You know, I just. The thing is, maybe I wouldn't do it in this climate now because I feel like people will be looking for a reason to shoot you right but i i just feel like and this is going to sound you know maybe a little obnoxious whatever but i feel like you know if i show up at your front door you're gonna like me you know and uh yeah you know that's obnoxious at all yeah right and i just kind of feel like you know i'm not gonna be rude i'm gonna be you know whatever i'm gonna be polite you can tell you can turn me away and i totally understand it but i just want out you're gonna have to tell me no especially if my company that's the worst thing they do is tell you know. Right. And so that's why I ended up at C.J. Ross' house and I drove up to Heidi Fleiss' house hoping I could talk to her about what life was like out in Pa Rump. Wait, I thought you were just going to see what it looked like. Well, yeah, in retrospect, I was like, oh, I was hoping she would talk to me. Stories changed. And then I was like, if I talk to Heidi Fleiss, I'll let me do something else. Hold on, you're lying. You didn't go up there just to see, okay, let's talk about it. I mean, Heidi Fleiss didn't sell her stuff. You went up there to talk to Heidi Fleiss. That was part of it. But CJ Ross lived in Pahrump, too. They both. I know. Yeah. So sometimes I find myself in, I don't know, the valley, right? I'm going to a friend's house. I don't go, you know what? The Kardashians live in the valley, too. Let me go drop in on them and see what's popping. But see, you did. And you went to her home. Joe, just real quick. Let's just flesh this out. You're in the neighborhood where you know Heidi Fleiss lives. It ain't even really a neighborhood. It was like on the outskirts of Pahrump. She probably even lived in Pahrump. She probably even lived in, like, Incorporated Pahrump. The Martians from Mars attack, that's where they landed. Yeah, right. Good pool. So you decided that you were just dropping on Heidi Fleiss. Yeah. Weird. Is that weird? Yeah. Can I just, can I ask a quick follow-up question? Okay. It sounds like you, like, sold Bleach Report on this story about this referee. BuzzFeed! Okay. Bleach Report. It sounds like you sold BuzzFeed on this idea of this story for this referee when you really just wanted to meet Heidi Fleiss. No, no, no, no. I did the CJ Ross story. Y'all can look it up. Put it in the show notes. I did do the CJ Ross story, and it was really good, and a whole bunch of people were like, I mean, they were basically calling me woke before people started using woke. But, you know, hey, man, I felt sorry for the woman, man. I mean, I don't think she ever worked in – she had spent this – I mean, she had this really horrible first marriage and started doing some refereeing fights in Reno because she, you know, was like, oh, man, this is something I'm good at. And I have a little community with it. And she came up, up, up, up, started doing the big fights in Vegas. And then they just bounced out of there. Man, I thought it was a compelling story. So I wanted to go see her. But I can't lie. I was like, if I'm in Pahrump, I mean, which sense does it make to not go to Heidi Fleiss's house? It's not a big enough city. If I'm there, I'm going to go see her. And I want to go see the Bunny Ranch. you know what I'm saying I wanted to see what was going on over there I don't know if I'll ever go back I doubt I'll ever be back in Pahrump so I had to get the most out of the experience word up we got the story let's raise the root for that raise the root for Heidi Flights she's still with us yeah she's still alive I think someone should make the biopic about her you know what I mean I'm surprised that hadn't happened already you'd win an Oscar if you play that character you know what I mean That would be money. There's a lot of money to do that. I'm sure they've done a Heidi Fleiss movie before. They almost have had to. I'm going to look it up. I don't know if they have. I mean, who did it? Jennifer Connelly? Could she be Heidi Fleiss? No, it has to be Margaret Qualley. That's a good pull. Yeah. That's a good pull. And also strangely specific in terms of you wanting to see Margaret Qualley like that. You know, I'm getting to know. when i get when i get to know you guys because i get i get the reputation of the horny whatever but getting to know you guys i mean you got the reputation just like that and then you drove you cannot point to a story that i've told at the ringer that i've told on any podcast ever that is as creepy as weird as off-putting as you just driving to heidi fleiss's house Joe, I'm going to let the people decide Billy nodding There's not a story I've ever told She's the most famous resident of Pahrump, Nevada I mean I would not be doing my job as a journalist Part of the story was like how remote, like this woman basically had to disappear, man And so she's at the end of the world where all these people who have been shamed by society in some way have found community out here. Who better represents that than Heidi Fleiss? word okay word up what year was this was selling it you know i don't think she was doing any of the fucking herself like she was just the madam correct oh yeah she was she was the madam yeah yeah 2013 nevada police found 400 marijuana plants growing in her home in pahrump nevada um and then in 2022 fleiss uh announced she moved to missouri so she's not there anymore wow yeah shout out to the missouri tigers pull up on our house in missouri joe yeah if i do i would if i found myself in missouri but i mean that it it would have to be somewhat germane to the story of course um so i have i have some news for you guys there's a biopic the heidi fleiss story oh it's been announced and they have an actress set to play heidi fleiss this is announced in late 2025 you want to guess who it is give me a hit she's light well yeah yeah good yes yeah starring Zendaya Coco Jones is Heidi Fleiss that's actually what Octavia Spencer was promoting yeah right yeah man we never got to hear it it's uh Aubrey Plaza that's in the quality world That makes a lot of sense. She's got the eyes. That's a good one. Checks out. We love her. That makes a lot of sense. Heidi Fleiss is 60 years old. Yeah. Man. Man, this was the 90s, dog. Life is moving so fast. It's crazy because the 90s feel like 10, 20 max, and now it's like 30. You know what I mean? It's crazy. The 90s, man. I cannot believe she left Paul Rump. All right. Yeah. All right. Can we get back to the Super Bowl? Billy, you were there at Radio Row. So like there a lot of people like you know sharking products doing the whole thing Like is there any takeaways that you had from Radio Row for us to help spice up this very boring apathetic Super Bowl experience we had It was weird. There wasn't, like, Van was right. There wasn't really an energy for the Super Bowl this year. It felt like kind of headed into it. And you kind of thought this might go the way that it went. And then the game kind of played out. And it was just a boring game for most of the time. Like, we were texting during the game asking, like, is this boring or is this, like, a great defensive struggle? And, you know, Van and Tate were honest and like, this game sucks. And Joel was like, no, this is great. Oh, it was the same thread? I didn't even, for real? Can we talk about this, Van? You weren't here when this started, but I told Joel. So I was in San Francisco last week. I was doing some stuff for the Super Bowl, like behind the scenes stuff, whatever, right? And, you know, after that, they had me go to L.A. to do like a recap episode for the Ringer NFL show. in between i made a stop i came back home i had to take care of something so i flew san francisco to miami then miami back to la damn you know that's crazy yeah horrible so i did that i was here for like two days anyway it doesn't matter the point is i okay so the point is is that i flew into la late on saturday super bowl sunday obviously i got in like 10 o'clock and i was like oh you know what like i have a couple hours before the game before i have to do work like let Maybe I'll reach out to Van Tate, see if you're going to meet up, eat some lunch or something, just to kind of check in, right? But because I got in so late, I was like, I'm not going to bother them because everybody has their Super Bowl plans. I don't want to feel like I'm inconveniencing anyone to just meet up. So I didn't end up doing that. So I was just casually telling Tate this. And then Joel turned it into this whole thing about how there's a secret thread without him. Why did I ask him if he wanted to have lunch Super Bowl Sunday in L.A.? He's like, how did you communicate with Van and Tate? how would you reach out to them? You really would just start a whole other thread of vanity to ask them if they want to go to lunch. You know that I would pay attention to that text anyway. But you could have done it on a thread with me. You had to go through your phone. You know how hard it is to start a new text thread? It's super simple. It's a whole bunch of extra steps. Most people don't. This is something that I love. It takes a lot to be more aggrieved than I am. But Joel is so much more aggrieved in every single way than I could ever hope to be. Aggrieved? Joel gets mad when people don't follow him. Joel gets mad at the way people quote tweets. He gets mad at Twitter decorum. Joel gets mad at different. Joel's propensity, his ability to be aggrieved is not only hysterical, it's astounding. It's like, it is. For this right there. You really think it's okay to not follow somebody and then like at them like on some familiar shit? For real? Like you think that's okay? I don't even if I don't follow you there's no reason for me to talk to you. You know what I mean? Unless you're like a racist or something. I'm not saying that like all the time that you're wrong but I'm just saying the level of grievance is This isn't grievance I just again I'm piecing together how what that shit was in LA you know? you're still working you're still a girl it's just like yeah it's like i mean just yeah you know significant planning and of course it will it i wasn't involved like i would i didn't see any text so presumably i doubt billy is going one by one texting hey freeze can you do this can you he puts y'all all on a thread without me and that's fine and that's probably the one y'all use for this there was nothing nothing happened yeah there's no thread he didn't even send a text None of us have been to dinner or lunch Ever We've never pulled it off successfully Me and Tate went to the game And ate and stuff That don't really count They went to a game without you also Yeah that's true I mean they were throwing it up in my face like it was some shit No we're all going to go to a USC game next year Yeah that's fine If it's up to me we hang out all the time Like Joe you don't live here Which is starting to become both of you guys by the way your futures are in los angeles you might as well start looking for homes like it's it's it's it's going to happen so the reality is once once bill pulls that one off all right then we then you're not going to have an excuse not to because i know you're not going to hang out joe joe every time we even want to go too late with the podcast you use fatherhood as a cudgel to get in between I'm just telling you, I got to get into the night. You know what I'm saying? I need to involve myself in the routine because without me, we're down a person. Did you have kids when you drove up to Heidi Fleiss's house? I did not. I did not. I mean, I had all kinds of time in the world, bro. That makes it better. That makes it better. That makes it better. I was just doing whatever I wanted when I didn't have kids. Yeah. But, like, if you were in Missouri, you said you'd drive to your house again, and you do have kids now. Well, I mean, if I'm going to – Good follow-up. That's journalism. Ben Glicksman, my editor, he's like, we need to do a story in Columbia, Missouri. But it involves something about, like, disgraced people finding a home here. I'd be like, okay, cool. And now I know Heidi Fleiss was there. So I would talk to him, like, why did you pick this place? I would love for Ben Glicksman to reach out to you, the editor of the website, and say, we need you to do a story in Missouri, just to hear you follow up with, can I go to Heidi Fleiss' house? I don't ask. I just go. I don't ask. Just go. Oh, shit. You know, the don't ask, just go approach. I floated something out to Tate a week ago. Yeah, I floated something out to Tate a week ago, Van, because we have one of the biggest games in Ringer Tailgate history coming up, and it's the first game of next season. And it's North Carolina, and it's TCU. And it's in Ireland. In Dublin. That's not happening. That's not happening, man. What? I'm not going way out there for that. Wait, hold on, dog. somebody somebody i don't i don't necessarily want to do this because i don't want to go you know what i'm saying because it'll be tough i would go and have kids or whatever but uh what a reader how are kids like both your crutch and your excuse i mean it's an it's a it's a crutch to go start doing shit could go to heidi's house can't go to dublin can't go to dublin but no one a reader or a listener and i'm sorry brother if i can't remember he reached out to me just in the past week and was like enjoyed you on whatever this was and if you're ever in dublin i'll make sure you get a meal and some pints and that's how i was like oh he really is irish because pints like i'd wear a new american talk like that i was like well shit i said bro there's a football game in dublin first game of the week that involves me and tate's team i was like i mean that is kind of cool you know this it would make sense for us to go you know if we went Interesting. It's 200 days away. Yeah, look, I'm going to be all the way real with y'all. Like, no disrespect. Okay. TCU and North Carolina not giving me to Europe, bro. It's not happening. You wanted us to go to Baton Rouge to see LSU and Louisiana Tech, dog. Don't act like – put a poll up. Would you rather go see TCU in North Carolina and Dublin, or would you rather see LSU and Louisiana Tech in Baton Rouge? So this is what I'll say. That's fine. I actually respect that, right? Yeah. To me, the game itself, the game day atmosphere in Baton Rouge, even if the team is whack, is legendary. If you love college football, a lot of people would say that that's something worth seeing, right? But I don't just feel that way about LSU. I've been to a lot of them. I'll tell you what's not legendary. Okay? The rivalry between T.C. You going way out there to fucking. Sonny Dykes, Bill Belichick. You know what I'm saying? Jordan going to be out there, man. Are we going to talk about that shirt in this episode or not? We are talking about it. Oh, man. Tate got so mad. Tate got pissed off. We should talk about this. Tate, you're putting yourself in a very precarious situation with the North Carolina faithful, bro. You're about to be on the outs with them. You are. Yeah, you are. You better straighten up, bro. You better straighten up, Tate. You think she's going to take me out? She can't take me out. I feel like she – do you think if Jordan was like, there's this guy at the ring who's always talking shit about me. Tate Dunn. I don't want him to come to the gang. I don't want him to come to the gang. I don't want him to – she says he doesn't like me. He basically called me trash, all this other shit. You would get banned. You're about to be Carolina Heidi Fleiss. Tell people what you said. Michael Lombardo, I hope you're listening. What's his name? Michael Lombardi. Michael Lombardi last time. Tell the people what you said about Jordan. Tell the people the anti-Belichick Jordan sentiment that you've been espousing on group text. I just said I think it's the Carolina-Duke game. You know what I mean? There's bigger fish here to fry, and we don't care about Robert Kraft's infidelities on his Joel-like trips. You know what I mean? We don't care where he was willing to drive to go to his different spas and things. We don't care. Right, Joel? We don't care about that. I don't care. I mean, I'm not going to judge him for it. Well, I don't know. It's kind of participating potentially in sex trafficking, depending on what you think about. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no potentially. Yeah. No, no, no. Have I ever told you guys this story? No. Okay. So we have story time. So we had this story. So we get a tip at TMZ that, and this was, this was one of the funnier tips that we've ever gotten. So we get a tip at TMZ comes through on the email tip line, and it says that Robert Kraft has been arrested as part of a sex trafficking sting operation in Florida. Great tip, like great tip. This is weeks, maybe even months before. Was this in Jupiter? Where was this at? I can't remember where it was. Man, it was one of them little times. One of them little times. I mean, she got a shirt from the place. It was outside of Orlando, I feel like. Whatever it was, this is months, months, at least weeks, months before the story comes out. And the tip is so specific that we know that it's real on a sports desk. We know that it's true. But the cops will not work with us. every time we try to do any investigation to get anyone even on background to confirm this story that this actually happened complete stonewall not even they won't this is and i know people would think oh these cops aren't going to talk to you this is unusual it's unusual at least for us for us not to get any type of motion around somebody of that magnitude getting caught at a handjob house as part of a sex trafficking probe as part of i'm not i'm not making whatever all of that whatever he does and stuff like that there was an actual narrative around the sex trafficking that was allegedly going on at that place that in and of itself i mean that's that's like from central casting as far as the harrowing allegations around what was going on not just at that placement in that area oh um but no one would talk to us no one would talk to us no one would confirm it no one would say anything no one even tangential to it that we could get to would be like yeah robert craft was in this we only had the tipster and the details from the tipster we knew that it was real though but robert craft circled the wagons around that and just that was as tight-lipped as anything ever but then by the time all of the information and stuff came out i want it i say weeks or months but it was i can't remember exactly the the amount of time it was before they came back and told us before we realized it and stuff like that but we had it sometime before uh then by the time it came out we had it we went up with it but we couldn't get the story first we couldn't go to press with it because every single person surrounding it with vow of silence lockbox he had the whole block silent damn very very very in my experience there very unusual you can normally get someone to give you the story when jason pierre paul blew his hand up yeah had it right away huh someone told me right away someone told me right away damn you on that story damn but we we couldn't go to that was another one to where it was but i knew it was good i knew it was good like had it right away but i couldn't get any pictures of it and we can't go to the hospital with it because there's all kinds of because what's his face got in trouble yeah shofter right he got in trouble like it's a hipaa violation to do all of that stuff so we have to sit on that one so we know stuff when it happens but craft had his people they had his people a lot Tight-lipped about it, yep. That's Tiger Woods. That's where he lives, Jupiter, Florida. Right. Yeah, that neighborhood is like big-time, rich, big-time golf. So, kind of checks out. Who's the baseball team that springs there? In Jupiter? Yeah, isn't there a baseball team down there? Yeah. Who is it? Because I know I've been to Jupiter before. They're all down in Florida or Arizona, basically. Well, shit, now that we know those parlors are down there, we know why you went. Yeah. You weren't covering the Marlins or the Cardinals, that's for sure Yeah, you just went down there to look at the front of the place I didn't need to, you know what I'm saying I didn't have no problems when I was that age Oh, shit, oh, shit I was fine, I was okay I did okay That's what the fuck I'm talking about You don't call me Rick James, whatever You know what I'm saying, that's fine Yeah, hold on, raise the room for Joel Nah, I'm not participating in that one I'm not participating in that one but I mean I did all right but you know so I didn't I basically what I'm saying is I didn't have to got that to go there Jupiter to do that but so but later on when things were a little slower down that's why you had to go see the bunny ranch and Heidi flies I didn't I wouldn't like again Heidi was an inch was an interesting person to talk to out a bit I bet I didn't want to see her necky who uh what's you didn't say what baseball team maybe there isn't a baseball It's the Marlins and the Cardinals. Oh, the Marlins. Okay. When I covered the Astros, they must have went down there. That's right. Yeah, because the Yankees are in Tampa. They all have their own spots. I had a homeboy that worked for the Yankees, man. He would be in Tampa every – he listens to this show. I don't want to say his name because he's one of them weirdos. What? He's a weirdo and he don't want nobody to know nothing about – he don't post anything about himself online. He don't want people talking about him because, you know. That's nice. He covers the Yankees, but no one knows. No, he didn't cover the Yankees. He used to work for the Yankees. Oh. Shout out to the weirdo. Shout out to the weirdo. Yeah, let's raise the room for him. Can't talk about the room for the weirdo. Let's just say the weirdo. You know who you are, too. That's the funny thing. He don't know. Yeah. Last thing on the Super Bowl, if we care to hit this, I did want to ask what college won Super Bowl 60. We got the graphic here. What's that? You didn't get to say. Do you want to say anything about Drake May, man? We didn't even give you a chance. First of all, nobody finished this story. This is a Drake May conversation because North Carolina had a North Carolina and a North Carolina touchdown in the game. They might be in consideration for what college won Super Bowl 60, Mack Hollins, Drake May. Hey, they could be in the – who else had a college-to-college touchdown in the game? How can you possibly speed that game? I'm just saying. I mean, that's the only team I saw college-to-college touchdown. Also with Mack Hollins, bro, I mean, you embarrass yourself, bro. Of course. You can't show up in the Hannibal Lecter getup. At least he scored a touchdown. Yeah, I was off that. I was off that. What the hell was it? What did he have going on? What the fuck was that about? He's always been a little bit out there. Like, I covered him in college. I was like. Why do people do stuff like that? He thought that was going to pop. Like, I think he thought that was going to make him a star or something. But my problem with something like that is if you do that, you've got to win. That's what I'm saying. You've got to ball, too. He did score a touchdown. I mean, at least he did something. He did score the touchdown. He did one or two touchdowns. They had one. They had one. Right. Barely. So, okay, which college won? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So players by college. Alabama had the most players, seven. LSU, five. Lane Kiffin quote tweeted this and said, just different. And then a lot of people were responding to Will Campbell. After that, Michigan, four. USC, four. Sam Darnold wins the first USC quarterback Super Bowl. That was nice to see. Auburn, Illinois, Minnesota, NC State, Ohio State, Texas. All with three. Kenneth Walker played for two schools. Wake Forest and Michigan State. So that is a lot of house divided there. People arguing over which school he claims. Seems to be Michigan State, but Wake Forest fans are upset. So, Joe, I'll go to you first. Which college won Super Bowl 60? Well, I mean, first of all, I would say USC did, man. I think so, too. Yeah, Donald and then Uchanan Nwasu, the guy that did the interception return for TD. And then so, like, and USC football played it perfect because, I mean, I think those are the most recent tweets on their Twitter account. Like, basically, you know, the most Super Bowl champions in college football. You know, that kind of stuff. You know, the USC pros and stuff like that. You know, they were just really good at branding this as, like, this is some sort of special occasion for USC. And then, look, man, all this is happening in the same offseason when they had the number one ranked recruiting class. You know, it's like they hired Gary Patterson as a defensive quarterback. Like, I know you can't win an offseason in college football. you've got to go do it, especially somebody like Lincoln Riley, who has not really had the success people thought he was going to have. But, like, this has been a pretty good offseason for them, and that was like one of those touchdowns. You're like, oh, yeah, that's right. The USC players showed out. Also, when you see Miami get back into USC, you're like, we can do this. You know what I mean? Like, their fan base immediately is back in form, so they can do the thing. So USC, I like that pick. Van, what about you? I'm going to go with SC, too. I mean, we had a lot of players from LSU represented in the game, But I said this before, I think there's a couple of reasons why this happened. I think being a rookie is one. Injury is another one, coming back too fast off injury. But Will just struggled so mightily in the playoffs and in this game. It legitimately, him and the guard right next to him, the whole left side of that line, it was just impossible to win. It was impossible to win the game when they were going to get that many pressures in all different types of ways. they bullrussed Will sometimes. They went around Will sometimes. Like there was, and, you know, shout out to McDaniels, who did nothing. Nothing. To actually address the fact that they couldn't keep their quarterback clean. Vrabel and McDaniel picked the right, I mean, defensively, don't get me wrong, they played a good game for most of the game, right? They were able to keep the Seahawks and Smith and Jibba in check. But, you know, as far as dealing with the pressure, they just didn't even, they said, fuck it. you know i'm saying like what my name is slowing the blood fuck and we ball like they didn't even they didn't do anything but so i can't really say lsu i'm gonna go with sc because this is a milestone for sc this is a big deal and when you think of the quarterbacks that have come out of sc and how we uh associate sc with offense with offensive firepower with guys who can fling it and you know twitchy talent on the outside and all of that. For this to be the crowning moment of an SC quarterback in the Super Bowl, it's a big deal for their program, if you ask me. And, you know, Sam Darnold kind of making do or making good on what a lot of people thought that he was going to be when he came out, which is a quarterback that you can win with. Yeah, he was supposed to be that guy. And in the class with Josh Allen and the rest of these, you know, supposed superstars that were supposed to be, he's the first one to win a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson, I mean, you know, he was in the class too. Well, I mean, Lamar Jackson, he got screwed in that draft. I mean, you know, it was just like every single time it was like the Ravens had to pick at 25, and then they'd trade back in and get him at 32. That was ridiculous, especially if you watched him in college. But USC, I think, hanged the banner, right? They won the Super Bowl. Yeah, Super Bowl 60. You did it. All right. I mean, you know, look, man. I mean, USC has not – it's been 20 years, man, since they've really been a national contender, bro. This is – you know, it's just a nice touchdown. They needed this. They needed this. I'm saying Lincoln Wright, there's just a lot of optimism and energy around the program. And, like, you know, I think college football is better when USC is good. There needs to be a really good, dominant West Coast team. And sorry, Oregon, you don't count. The team has to be in California. Especially after what we saw Indiana do. I feel like Oregon, we're going to have to put them on pause for a second. Carson Palmer, still the greatest USC quarterback? Or is Sam Darnold now the answer? Nah, it's Carson Palmer. I think so. He's done more right now. I mean, Darnold is on his way. He took a major step. Wait, so we're including just – it's just with, like, the kind of pro they ended up being? Or are you just talking about – I think college and pro. Put it all together. Because, man – I would still take Carson Palmer. Yeah, I was going to say Carson Palmer was a better quarterback. But Matt Leinert, man, like that era USC was – It just feels like – I mean, Leinert was great in college. I feel like his pro career kind of just, like, tanked. Sour to you, yeah. Yeah, it made us – our last impression was not good, you know. I mean Sanchez may be in the mix until you know he lost his mind So you know not good He wasn in the mix even then But it didn help He had some success as a pro Yeah he was part of some team He had some success as a pro You got to give it up for him. Carson Palmer, on the professional level, has been the most successful SC quarterback. Yeah, yeah. Hey, man, quarterback's difficult, bro. Can we think of any one college besides maybe Oklahoma, and even then, it's like a quarterback machine that puts competent or, dare I say, elite guys into the league over and over and over again. You can look at it and you can say the Ohio State quarterbacks haven't had like a ton of success. The SC quarterbacks haven't had like a ton of success. All of these powerhouses, I don't know if there's one school that you can think Oklahoma's had a lot of guys come out and be successful, right? If you got Hurts and then you got Kyler Murray, who's had some success as a pro. And then you got Baker Mayfield. Cal is a good one. Cal is a good one. Bama, you know what I'm saying? Bama's not bad. Bama's like, they've changed the trajectory over the past, like, you know, 15 years. Yeah. What would you say about Michigan? You think if you just throw some Tom Brady and Brian Greasy and Chad Henney out there, does that get it done? That's a solid top three, but yeah. It's not bad, but you know what I mean? But that's not the best. Yeah. Yeah, because when you think about it, man, like Tennessee has Peyton Manning, but then who comes behind Peyton Manning to really make a splash as a pro? You look at it, it's not – I don't know what schools are quarterback factors. Could have been Niko. UCLA, Aikman. Yeah, it's like every school kind of has like one guy to hang their head on. Was it Cade McNown? Who was Cade McNown? He used to be cutting it up out there. Who else? He had a couple of good years there. They were really good. One day they got in trouble with parking passes, handicap passes or something like that. Remember that? Is that right? Remember the UCLA handicap pass? I mean, parking tickets on campus is like, I got so many parking tickets. It's embarrassing. Yeah, because there's nowhere to go. Then I got a moped my senior year, and then I was able to get around it. Did you have the helmet on? What do you mean? You had to wear a helmet. Oh, you did? Okay. Okay, so you had a moped. I thought you would have been a little too far for a helmet, man. A little bit. So you had a moped. you had a helmet I had like a dirt bike that makes it more funny no no no no no I'm not talking like a little like like a little mushroom top helmet let's just flush it out you had a dirt bike you had a helmet no there was a guy at Carolina that he bought like 50 mopeds and then he rented them out to like athletes and stuff and then I was like trying to make this story cool like I had a moped fucking I was just like I was like this is a great way to do it me and Sean May was on mopeds together and all that stuff Sean May You're trying to make it cool. What color was the helmet? The helmet was, no, it wasn't blue. It was just like, it was a dirt bike helmet, so it was like, I think it was blue. We had like black and orange stripes and shit like that because I feel like that's a blue helmet on. The moped was red. I got to find a picture. Okay, but when you find a picture of the moped, because I know you have it. Find a picture of the moped. Oh, I know you thought you were flying, though, man. You had that moped. You probably got to get parking tickets, man. I was living the money. I know it. I know it. I don't have any money. Tay, they had those little gloves that cut off right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you're talking about it, man. That cut off right at the knuckle. Tay, they had those gloves on. I had like a mongoose helmet. You know what I mean? Like a dirt bike helmet. You take that helmet, the gloves, the whole nine. Girl, call it Tay, I'll be there in seven minutes. No, you can get everywhere. Did you have a basket on it? No. What? Okay. You guys are thinking. I think you guys are not thinking of mopeds. Okay, so in 1999, a major scandal erupted at UCLA when 19 current and former. That's you right there. Send that picture to Frius. Oh, let me see it. Send that picture to Frius so we can put that up on the theme. 19 current and former players, including notable players like Cade McNown and Skip Hicks, were found to be using forged, stolen, or illegally obtained disabled parking placards to park free on campus. That was a deal. They fabricated injuries and knee injuries so they could do this. Y'all remember this? Y'all remember Cade McDowell being involved? I don't remember this. Who else is in there? Skip Hicks? Who else? Yes, they had Skip Hicks, Cade McDowell. Those were like the notable ones, but that was the UCLA parking scandal that went on back in the day. It was a big deal. It's a lot of parking problems on campus for everybody. Not for you. Well, not my senior year. I mean, I probably lost. I mean, I don't even know. I mean, $60 a ticket at intramural games, class, everything. You just refused to park where you were supposed to park. There's nowhere to park, Joel. You just had to, you know. Tate, don't get mad at me, man. I'm sorry. Tate got mad at someone. Hold on for a second. Tate, Tate, Tate. Whoa. Okay. No way to park. My God, bro. Like, just please, can we just see the picture of you on the moped? So then here it is right here. Y'all have to see this. Okay, so take the girl out of it. By the way, Tate, not bad. Y'all go Tate, man. Look how happy Tate is. On the real tape, not bad. She does have a Nazi helmet on. But we're going to look past that. Look at this helmet. That's the helmet that I thought you guys were saying I was wearing. No. All the helmets that you could have. I want you all to go back and think about World War II. Yeah. The helmets that they were wearing, the combat helmets that they were wearing. I don't know what's going on. That could be the essence. Where do you even get that helmet? Where do you get that helmet? That's the helmet that came. That's what came with the moped. And then I had a buddy who had a dirt bike. And then he was like, I'll give you my old helmet. I was like, all right. So, Tate, this is not a moped. This is a moped. This is not what I would think of when you said moped. This is not a moped. That's what I was saying. I was like, you guys aren't hearing me. You know what I mean? Tate, I'm going to be real with you. Billy says she inherited that. Hold on for a second. You got to put the picture up. Tate, this is not a moped. We know what a moped is. A moped has the thing up. It's like the U in the middle. Yeah. We know what a moped is, right? This is not a moped. Tate, you thought you was in Sons of Anarchy in this bitch. This is why. This is why. You got this helmet, the dirt bike helmet that you got. This is a little bit of an edgy little bike that you was riding around on. It's a real piece of equipment. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that thing can fly. It can go like 45. I believe it. Yeah. So this was your transportation around campus? My senior year in college. It was easier to park with this than a car? You could park at the bike rack. So, like, I could pull up right to the front of the building and park it at the bike racks. It was incredible. And then you put a chain on that bitch or no? No chain? Yeah, locked it in. Yeah, got that. Locked it in because they'll jack your shit. This shit's too fly for that. You really don't have a basket on this hole, man. That's crazy. It's on the back. It's on the back. Okay. So, she's got in the picture, she's got her backpack on, okay? If she wasn't on the back of the moped, you would wear your backpack on it. You wouldn't hang it from anywhere? I think I was just dropping her off at class. She needed a ride to class, so I came to pick her up. You dropped something off, all right. That's how much the moped was a powerful thing, though, because then people would be like, can you give me a ride to class? You know what I mean? Then you just go pick the moped. Oh, you was pipping on the motherfucking moped. You need a ride? I got you. I got you? Yeah. For certain demographics, I got him a ride. The moped picture is both way better and also exactly what I thought it was. Yes, it's just so cool. It's like, it's like. It is. I'm not going to lie. This is the thing about Tate, man. Tate got the cold white boy swag. Tate, you almost want to. Tate makes it work. So, you know, Tate got two Christmas trees. They got North Carolina Santas. And you want to be able to kind of like. But you can't. Like, Tate is too comfortable. This picture right here for a lot of other people will look crazy. But I'm looking at this. I'm like, this is probably somebody that people wanted to fuck with on campus. Tate had – I mean, I can just look at this picture and tell Tate has had a good life, man. Yeah. Can't she? You know, you're just like, oh, man. How much was the moped? The moped was only like $600 a semester, so like $1,200 for the year. You might have to let Riley be in – this be in your obituary, dog, when they're putting it together. someday because they're going to have a collection of pictures on the back because i'm sure y'all be able to afford a nice a nice one that picture has to go in there now if she has to take her out but it just shows that take what are you talking about what the fuck are you talking about you one day are going to want to be able to say to your kids man dad used to have some fun man look at this that's what you're gonna say you are gonna say it i wasn't expecting that and it can't be their mom You know, it'd be like some other random shit. Like, why are we talking about that? In Joel's defense, Tate found this picture real quick. I was going to Facebook, you know what I mean? A lot of lore. I remember this was like a profile picture at one point, you know what I mean? This nigga Tate crazy. Wow. You was, Tate, be real. You was proud of the moped. Yeah. I like the moped. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's hyping it up right now. I had a great time. Y'all got to watch the show so you can see the picture of the moped. I'm not bullshitting with you. This is one of the most American pictures I've ever seen before. Besides the Nazi helmet that she got on? Western civilization right there. Those enthusiasts, they'd be like, this is what I'm talking about. They would see that, and they'd be like, things are going to be all right, fellas. Did you have the girlfriend pre-moped? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how long after you got rid of the moped, was she out of the picture? we we did the whole thing came to la we broke up in la we broke up like five years after oh my god so this is recent shit this is fucking this is no damn no one that got away maybe yeah what you no i i like uh it was like first love college love then i had four years of uh single great times and then i found real love you know what i'm saying yeah no man yeah bro So y'all moved out to LA together And then which person went Hey man it's too much Too much action out here for us to be together Yeah who cheated Was it you that went it's too much going on Or was it her that she get with somebody that was on Arrow Or something like that Well we did long distance for two years And then you know as we were doing long distance Like I was in LA And you know I was like I was like, we got a, I was like, I'm, you know. There's some mopeds out here, too. There's a lot of mopeds. I mean, I got to give more rides to more people. That's not a moped. That's what I was going to say. We can move on. That's not a moped. It's a minibike. I don't know what that will be. I'm going to call it a minibike. That's like a go-kart. I'm calling that a minibike. All right. Minibike. Minibike. Minibike. That's a minibike. That's not a moped. That's not a moped. That's not a moped. That's a minibike. and Tate, Sons of Anarchy, UNC chapter. Yeah, man. Look, bro, I'm happy for you, man. That's exactly what I would have thought Tate's college experience would be like, man. Just that, right there. I'm fucking with it, Tate. There's nothing that can happen. I appreciate it, guys. It looks better than it sounds, I guess, is what I would say. Last thing I would get to, football-related. Overreaction of the week, Kirk Herbstreet said that, talking about the future of college football, We need to break away, he said. He said that the Power Four conferences need to break away, form their own situation. This has obviously been a take that has been pitched around. He said this at Radio Row at the Super Bowl, which is why I'm bringing it up here. We're keeping it Super Bowl-centric. So do you believe that Kirk Herbstreit is right, Van, when you hear this? Or is this just the take? You know what I mean? He's just throwing it out to the wild. I want to hear more intellectualism behind it. I think a lot of people are talking about what college football should do and how college football should address, and really college sports overall. The litany of structural issues that seem to be making themselves plain with how fast the sport is changing, like how you catch up, how you continue to empower the athlete, but also at the same time kind of maintain the integrity of the sport if that's possible or just make the sport as competitively balanced amongst you know the teams and places that are going to have a say in that as possible but i want to hear like actual stuff this is what needs to happen this is the money that's going to be surrounding it This is how you're going to control teams, include teams and control powerful programs. This is how you're going to institute a system of checks and balances that don't allow for these huge power imbalances that exist in the sport right now. And then, really, somebody to make the case about why this is all necessary. because I think there's, you know, Joel is one of them. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just being for real. Don't think that there's anything wrong with what's going on right now. Thinks that this is the natural evolution of the game. So if there needs to be change and there are going to be conversations, it's not going to come in hot takes. It's going to come in serious discussion about, like, what's wrong, how you fix it, and what the future of the sport is. I like that answer. Joel, you agree. you're not in your head oh yeah i definitely agree with van on this like it would be nice to describe the world that you'd like to see right like it's easy to campaign against what you don't like what is you know what many people millions of fans and other people have pointed out or you know dynamics about the game that they don't appreciate okay tell us the world that you would like to exist in college football and let's see if it if it's possible right uh also it's just I mean, this is sort of far afield, but I have to say it. It's just what I hear Kirk Herbstreet and people talk like this. I just kind of know how, like, I guess this is what segregationists sound like. I don't know. There's no way Tulane could ever beat an SEC team. There's no way. No. No way Appalachian State could ever beat a Michigan in a fair and square football game. So we have got, I am done supporting that taker class. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they all think they're John Gulp. You know what I'm saying? I just, it's just, they don't want to, they don't, they don't want to play the games. And so in that way, I'm like, fine, fuck it, please. Can we, so you all will shut up. Let's break all the teams up. Like people who compete according to the level of resource they have. I don't want to hear. I'm so sick of this complaint. This is, I'm just tired of this and the top four pro, the top four conferences and the, only the top 30 teams among those four should be playing in one league that's similar to the NFL and everybody else should be forced to fend for themselves and get their puny little TV contracts. It's just like, alright, bro. Great. Shut the fuck up. Let's do it. Let's break up. Please. Create the world you want because I'm just tired of it. You're tired of the veiled threat. Yeah, you're tired of beating around the bush with it. Have you had any thoughts? Do we have any thoughts on the podcast? We should come back with thoughts about what we would do. Like, yeah, let's let's start that conversation. I don't think it started here. I think a lot of people have had great ideas, but let's continue that conversation here on our podcast and talk about what we would do to fix college sports and fix college football. because right now I do feel like there's a certain internet currency and just complaining over and over again and coming with the hot takes, but there doesn't seem to be as much currency with actual movement on what you do to address some of the issues in the sport. Yeah. Now, I will say that is Josh Page thing is the commissioner of football. I've heard him actually. He's got great ideas. He has some ideas for how things. I don't agree with all of them, but I agree with some of them. But I'm like, at least he's trying, you know. I just I'm just so tired of having to give money to the to the lowlights like Southern Mississippi and Utah. They should have to earn their own keep. We've helped. We've carried them for far too long. It is their time. Like I just like, yeah, I just like, man, I totally get how like we have segregation. It's whenever you hear people talk like that, it just makes a lot of sense. So, Joe, do you feel like it's completely consistent that you don't believe in I'm asked? Actually, let me not form a question in a confrontational way. You believe in a dog-eat-dog world as it relates to the players, meaning a 27-year-old man dunking on a 17-year-old. You have no problem with that? I don't have a problem with that. Just wait a second. Just wait a second. I don't have a problem with that. Like, you have no issue with that, which is interesting. I really do think that that's an interesting take. but when it comes to the programs it seems like you're a little bit more egalitarian in the way that you think things should should play out no i mean i just want to know what what i should be excited about and what i should be rooting for like if tcu is going to be in this breakaway top four top four conference league great if they're not going to be and they're going to compete with the likes of SMU, Baylor, you know, Wake Forest, North Dakota State, then let's just do that. But I'm just, I guess I'm just kind of tired of the steady build, which has also created the ridiculous conferences we see, right? Because they're already positioning for this future, right? Like you can see it happening by breaking away and creating, you know, like making the poor Pac-12 what it is today, right? So they're already trying to create that future and I just want it to happen already. Like, it's just like, We don't need an incremental, like, you're just saying, like, we're kind of, like, slowly going to the edge of the cliff. You're just like, let's just get off of it and figure it out. Come up with somebody, like, bro, like, pay the players. Like, let's just, like, make them employees, fight for them to be employees, create a CPA with them, and let's do it that way. Like, let's just stop the incremental shit. Let's just do what we know that is going to be inevitable anyway. And create a new, I mean, the NCAA, maybe that's not the company or whatever that is in charge of that new model. You know what I mean? Maybe there's a new organization that's created that is in charge of all this sort of stuff, whether it's, you know, whatever name you want to call it. So that's the other part of it. A couple quick hitters, and then Van, if you've got a big Van on campus, we can turn to you to get some thoughts. NCAA is denied Ole Miss QB Trinidad Chambliss waiver for appeal for sixth season of eligibility. Pretty big deal, right? That's kind of groundbreaking. I thought this would happen. I thought for sure he would win. These fights are rarely lost. Why do you guys think that they decide to put their foot down here? That's a great question. I don't know. Especially because it's bad for business. Yeah, it's terrible for business. It could only help, right? But I think they really were caught up on the documentation around the reason he couldn't play one of those years at Ferris State, like the medical reason. Apparently, 97 pages wasn't enough, which, I mean, I will say 97 pages sounds like a lot, but when you're dealing with, like, medical forms or whatever, it could go on forever and ever. So maybe that actually is not a lot of information. But, yeah, I'm surprised that they were willing to take a stand there because it's only good for college football. As you all will acknowledge, having older, better players in your game can't hurt it. It depends on who you look at. No, actually, I was rooting for him to get another year. Me too. I think his story is so interesting coming from Ferris State, him having the one year is him being able to do what he did I thought that he had played his way into the conversation of being able to have a more a lengthier career at the top level of college football in the SEC and I wanted to see what really I was very curious at what Ole Miss would look like with him back as the QB I think they're probably going to be able to find somebody to Deuce Knight I'm saying but if Deuce Knight is in fact the starter, they're going to be able to find that type of production. Not similar to Chambliss, but they'll be able to find somebody to come in there and make plays for him. But he, in the playoff, just looked. He looked like one of the best five quarterbacks in the country. He looked like a guy who could really, really, really be a big player next year in college football and also in the draft. So I wonder where he goes now, though. I wonder what happens now. I wonder if he's done enough and put enough on tape after he's evaluated that he can kind of play himself up into, you know, the top of the draft. He was number three on my big board, right? So, you know, he does have that. I mean, that's the other thing. That costed this man a lot of money, bro. He could make $6 million this year, potentially, plus whatever, you know, endorsement types. It just, I mean, I hope they can reconsider. I doubt that this case is over, but I did hear Todd McShane say. Where would he go? What would be the other, what would be the recourse that they would have? Appeal. Appeal court. Yeah, appeal. I thought this was the appeal. The impression I got from whoever one of the followers, one of the people that represents him, was that they were pursuing another avenue, that this isn't necessarily a settled matter. But, I mean, it doesn't look good, I will say that. And that's why I heard Todd McShay saying it's just unfortunate because if he's going to be an NFL prospect, he needs to be working on that right now, right? He's losing time. He's losing time right now in the most important part of the year. Yeah. Before we get off this, actually, my big fan on campus is I want to have a conversation with Tate. I'm serious. I'm serious, guys. Tate is college basketball possibly squandering with all of the chaos going on in the sport right now One of the best freshman classes that we seen in a long time is all of the talk around the off the court stuff surrounding college basketball Even the fact that Darren Peterson, the conversation is now about how sporadically he plays. is college basketball fumbling a really golden opportunity with all of the talent all of the diverse dynamic people that they have right now playing is this is this a situation where the the players are a little bit ahead of the NCAA or the NCAA is a little bit behind the eight ball here it seems like I'm hearing about everything other than how great Elijah Arenas is or how great Booser is, how great Peterson is, how great – what's the boy from BYU? EJ DeVanza. EJ DeVanza, like how great all of these different players are. Like there's not a lot of talk about them. There's a lot of talk about everything else that's structurally wrong with the sport. Yeah, I think the college basketball media is always fumbling. I think that's part of their problem in general. As a group, I think that, you know, it's either super in-depth analytics where they know the eighth man of the St. Louis team and they don't let you enjoy the conversation. Or it's people that just want to talk about the bigger story off the court, which Betty Iacco, the NCAA, finally just won a case, right, against a TRO. That was done to get him out of the G League into college basketball. Now the NCAA finally wins a case. That's a big deal because now the precedent has been set that that's not going to be allowed. James Nagy, who was the big story going to Baylor, he's horrible. I mean, Baylor's having a more season. Horrible. He is. I can't believe he was the 31st pick. That's embarrassing. Goes to show you the evaluations at the NBA level, not so high level. So the fact that he went where he went and he's playing at Baylor and can barely contribute, I mean, that's not good for anybody that he's a story. But you're right. I mean, how are we not talking about the fact that Kansas, with six players, just beat an undefeated Arizona team who has two future lottery picks in Co-Apete and Braden Burries. And Flory Badunga is one of the great stories from Kokomo, Indiana, and has an incredible block late in that game. And then North Carolina Duke ending on a buzzer beater. They let for four-tenths of a second on that last shot from Seth Trimble. An incredible story. So I just feel like, honestly, the media around college basketball is either too deep in the weeds or in the wrong weeds. And I think the basketball ends up being secondary. Same with the NBA, honestly. For whatever reason, we talk less about the game than ever. And I love basketball. I love the sport itself and the game itself. And I feel like the more that we talk about the game, which is why I love what Peacock has been doing, NBC and Prime with the NBA. I think they've done a really good job of like showing you this Iverson cut and showing you this play that they ran that baited them into this. You know what I mean? It's like when it gets back to the basketball, I'm happy. And college basketball needs to get back to the basketball. Because if you look at the viewership, look at the ratings. Like they outrate NBA all day, every day. That's all they do is outrate the NBA. Yeah. All they do is outrate the NBA. That's all college basketball does. Oh, that's all they do. Where's that coverage? Where's Darren Revell to tweet that bullshit? You know what I mean? That's more of what it needs. You can watch Creighton any night. This is a long-running gag with me, but you can watch Creighton any fucking night on FSLunch. I promise you, it's a night, 7 o'clock, Creighton's playing somebody. They're playing Villanova or they're playing Seton Hall. Damn, man, every time I turn on, Creighton is playing. So I think it's a coverage problem, and I also feel like the way that your eyes are being led to different places is the problem. But the player, that freshman class, like you mentioned the names. I mean, my goodness. Like Mikel Brown Jr. just had 45 points last night for Louisville. Damn. He's a beast. I mean, you just keep going down the list of these guys. It's like Abuka, Corey at Stanford. How good compared to, yeah, like, I mean, we don't have to go all the way back to Jordan. But, like, post Jerry Stackhouse, like where does he rank? I mean, he's so raw, but then he does these things that are like, I mean, they're like flash points. I mean, he's the best freshman I've seen since Kobe White. but I think he's better than Kobe. And that's saying a lot because Kobe's incredible. And then, I mean, he's better than Harrison Barnes was, you know, and Harrison was the number one player in the class and was supposed to be. He's better than James Michael McAdoo, my guy, who was the number one player in his class, right? I mean, so, you know, you start putting him up against some of these other guys, it's hard to not really fall in love with him. I mean, he kind of reminds me more of like in the group of, I don't want to say his name, But, like, Rashad McCants' freshman year was incredible. Why don't you want to say his name? Because Rashad just, like, he takes everything to, you know, he's like, I'm in the same class as Michael Jordan. You're like, Rashad, a little too far, but I see what you got going on. That's actually a basketball player, though. Yeah, I mean, he was my favorite player on the 05 team until he lost his mind. I love Rashad McCants. He threw up the rock all the time. I mean, great times. Vince Carter, Antoine Jameson. I mean, he's, like, in that. I mean, I think he's, like, in the Vince Carter conversation. Okay, I was wondering if you were going to use that kind of name. Okay. That's where I feel like he is. And what he did against Duke was incredible. So, yeah, I love Caleb. He saved Hubie's job, man. For sure. Don't you think? Because if it wasn't for him, if he hadn't hit, like this is – Hubie may be gone already. Yeah, it would be over. But now he'll be fine. They're going to get Mingo is one of the best players in the class for next year. But, yeah, Caleb is also a clutch guy. He's a Rich Paul guy. so like Bill's already mentioning his name on podcasts and stuff and I'm like what are you saying? I see the clutch I need a propaganda arm Rich does work for Spotify I need the propaganda I'm like look if we're going to do propaganda for all these Duke guys it's about time Carolina gets in the game I didn't even see the Duke shit I got to the Duke shit Tate you're fucking ready for it bro you don't give a fuck I mean, that Duke UNC shit is real, man. I respect the propaganda. I get it in blood. I need it. I need it for Caleb. He deserves it. But UNC, they haven't had good basketball players lately. That's facts. Wow. That's facts. I mean, Caleb Love looks pretty good on Portland. Who was the dude who was like 23 years old? I mean, I feel like he averaged like 11 rebounds for three years. Who is that guy? He's in the G League right now. Armando Baycott. Armando Baycott. Yeah, man. I mean, he was good. No. I mean, those guys, like, they're good players, but, I mean, they were kind of holding back the fort. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was the same thing over and over again. What about that kid? Love Caleb Love. I mean, them letting Caleb Love go instead of some of the other people that were on that team was egregious, and I was very upset about that. Seventh Woods, man. Seventh Woods. Shut up. That's my guy. Hey, national champion, by the way, Seventh Woods. I don't ever hear people say that. That motherfucker. I mean, man, his sophomore high school basketball highlight tape is something, man. You have to pick up my figure of shit. Yeah, man. Yeah, beast. I will say this. I will say this. This is what I'll say. Uh-huh. The reality of the situation is this, is that if we look at the last X amount of years, Tate will understand this. like Duke is like far ahead of North Carolina though right? Oh man in what? Wait wait wait okay first of all Alabama's far ahead of LSU said it boom far ahead of LSU of course Duke though is far ahead of North Carolina in terms of what could they turn serious guys Duke is far ahead of North Carolina in terms of, like, relevance and, like, great players. Yeah, propaganda. Is that true? I mean, look, they made the Final Four last year, so I'll give them credit for that. But, like, of those two teams, who's the last one to win a national championship between Duke and Carolina? It was North Carolina, right? Yeah. Duh. Who's the last team to go to the national championship game? He hit you with motorbike tape. That was motorbike tape. Who's the last one to go to a championship game? That's the fuck I'm talking shit. I'm asking you. I mean, Billy's right, man. They did just win the ACC football champion right now. That's true. Shout out. I like Duke football. Shout out to them. What do you think about Boozer's kid, man? I think he's great. He's also like the nicest kid I've ever met. I'm a big fan of Cam Boozer. Yeah. Cam and Caleb I both like. So do you think that. I love Con Canimple, too. I mean, I'll be fair about the ones I do like. I'll just point out the bullshit, you know. Wow, okay. Is Zion bullshit, or did you love Zion? I mean, I love Zion. Okay. I still would. I mean, during all the trade stuff, I was like, can Zion go to the Warriors, you know? Like, can we trade Draymond for Zion? That would have been great. Okay. You're not a Hornets fan? I'm a huge Hornets fan. Okay, okay. We're up. Con Caniple. That's what I'm saying, man. And also, man, boy, they put Kobe White. They laid hands last night, man. Miles Bridges jumped out there. I'm not going to. I'm not going to. I don't want them to come after me. But like the Pistons are kind of fake tough guys. You know what I mean? So like they they really tried to get dirty last night. And Diabate answered the bell. And then Miles Bridges. I mean, he was really about it, too. He just started throwing punches out of nowhere. I was like, man, this is a I like to fight from the Hornets. They're good. Yeah, they're not a joke. You know, I'm saying they're real serious. the real series Moped Tate I mean yeah man I mean it's just funny how like in basketball you can't go the way internet culture is today you can't go from you know with Diabate and Jalen Duren getting into a fight to today I saw all these pictures of Beef Stew and his wife on the internet it's just funny how the internet works man cause it's like damn I mean, if Isaiah Stewart had set his ass on the bench, people wouldn't be talking about his wife on the Internet today. I mean, but he's the number one candidate to throw hands in the NBA. He's always ready to go, man. I give him that. I went to his draft workout. He was like the nicest guy. I was like, man, Isaiah Stewart's so nice. Like, I really root for him. But, yeah, he'll throw hands. Nothing to say. Okay, hold on real quick. No thoughts on it, man. No thoughts on it. man did y'all people van you're a very generous teammate man you know i'm saying you'll give an assist like you know you'll just he has you have a whole segment to yourself and you just decided to dish it off the tape there i know you did that was an assist i saw that you're real you're a real good teammate i really i really was interested in knowing because i think i actually think is fucking bullshit i think that there's this class i hear people talking about this class and they're talking about this class as it relates to fucking cooper flag and all of that shit like that nah man this class is a is a fucking special class and it just shows me that there's a little bit of motherfucking there's a little bit of dysfunction going on with the college football media that there's actually excitement behind these players players who have differing styles players who are dynamic and one-on-ones some players like blueser who are like just breathtaking all-around players you know what I mean? And there's not a way to there's like fucking Tyler Hansborough got more shot. There's not a way to like make... Boozer actually plays like Hansborough funny enough. A little bit. A little bit and there's not a way for them to kind of build a narrative around the talent that they have right now. It's kind of interesting right now. Maybe people are going to turn around now. You know now that football's over maybe we got all of February going into March. Maybe people will finally tune in now. Especially that the conference titles are up for grabs and everything, you know? I mean, it's a top-down problem, though. Like, the NBA hates college basketball. I mean, ask any NBA writer what they think about college basketball. In fact, ask Howard Beck, because I did. He was like, I hate college basketball. I mean, like, they hate college basketball. Tate, you don't like that. Yeah, you think that's ridiculous. No, it actually pisses me off, but, you know, it's one of those things. I could tell. Like, I mean, I don't understand it, because, like, basketball is basketball to me. But, like, you know. Well, I mean, you got to admit, I mean, come on, Tate. I mean, be real. I mean, you know that the quality of the game wasn't really up to par. But, like, do I want them to make every open shot? Like, no, I like the humanity of college basketball. I also love when I see guys get better. Like, I love, like, watch Caleb Wilson in November and watch him now. It's like I already see the things clicking in his mind and getting better. I don't know. I find that fascinating. I guess, like, you know, I don't have a lot of free time, so I want to see good basketball. Like, I don't have time to watch you miss open jumpers. and not be able to finish around the basket. There's definitely levels to it. That's the part about college basketball that's most frustrating to me. And I've never been able to jump like that. I mean, I had hops, but I couldn't jump like that. And it's like, what? I'm not having advanced facial expressions. Yeah, but you just don't want people to, like, miss under the basket like that. And that was the thing that I always found funny. I was like, oh, man, just punch that. You know what I'm saying? But it's just in basketball, I feel like that's the thing. college basketball that I'm missing the most compared to pro balls. Like, oh, yeah, the explosiveness, all that stuff. There's so many good players this year, though. You just shit on Armando Baycott, one of the college legends. You know, motherfucker played in college for like six years and made a lot of money, NIL, whatever. I'm just talking about there's a different standard. I mean, yes, he's a good player. It's like Garrison Brooks. Yes, he's a good player. But, like, by Carolina standards, I mean, you know. Armando Baycott was an All-American last year, though, wasn't he? A couple years ago. I mean, bro, that's what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying? The difference in college basketball and pro basketball, Armando Bacot was one. I'm sorry. I don't know why I'm shitting. I'm not shitting on Armando Bacot. But I mean, look at like a Zach Eadie, right? Everybody was like, this guy can't play in the NBA. Now he's one of the franchise pieces for the Memphis Grizzlies. Let me see some Zach Eadie real quick. He's a valuable basketball player. You think he's a franchise piece for the Grizzlies? That's what they said. 14 and 11? For me, it's Cedric Coward. That's my guy. I love Cedric Coward. I'm like, that's – I watched him at Wazoo. I'm like, this is my favorite player, and somehow ends up being a lottery pick, you know. So a lot of good players in college basketball. I say so. Yeah, they're a lot better now. I mean, they should work to continue to add more good basketball players. Man, Seventh Woods is playing somewhere overseas right now, bro. Where is he, Korea? League – oh, man, damn. ecuador oh wow good for him i didn't know ecuador had a professor i could have guessed i guess but a lot of those leagues like they can only have one or two americans on the team so it actually like to make a team and get paid is is actually impressive playing basketball still as long as he's still dribbling the ball he has a chance to go wherever he wants to go play by that's right that's great man play back i mean just to get paid to play basketball for as long as you can do it because you have the rest of your life to sit at the desk you know what i mean Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And you got the network, you know, to reach back on. What if I want to live in Ecuador now, right? Yeah, maybe so. What if I want to come back to the States? Yeah. It's a good look. Anything else? Any parting shots, Van? Anything else before we get out of here? Hell nah, man. Shout out Raise the Roof. Yeah, let's raise it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's the offseason. It's the offseason. Joel, anything else before we get out of here? Anything else? Okay, I just want to make sure I'm going to be a good teammate. Is Billy going to come out? Did he have something to say? Did you finish your Super Bowl story? what was the story you were just there oh that's right you were gonna go get uh dinner or whatever with uh he wants to get back to the text thread yeah i wouldn't even i wouldn't even go in there but i was like they asked you about hey man so you were there when the um the octavia spencer shit went down huh like when that was all falling apart oh yeah i was there yeah we didn't even talk about tom segura we just knew we walked away from that shit we were like bro we ain't doing that again. We ain't getting up on Friday morning to have that happen. Did you feel bad for us, Billy? As you watched us squirm? You know, I did. It was very comfortable. There are solutions. Why did you even mention Tom Segura? No one knows that outside of this group of three people. You know what? I mean, real shit, I don't know who Tom Segura is. That's going to help us. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Are you intentionally self-destructive yeah like what are you like well is he a famous comedian he is a famous comedian yes he's very famous what was he what did he do what do you think he's gonna come on here for what did he do with like what would i hear maybe that's what you guys do when he comes on the show you guys figure out like is he that he's like he's for you should know who he is i should yeah you're a cultural critic like you should know who he is okay my bad it's not bad Tom Segura? We didn't bring that shit back up again. We just walked away from it. We did. Allison said we're going to try to get Octavia Spencer again. But nobody said we're going to try to get Tom Segura again. He's so famous. He's one of the most famous comedians ever. We should get him. You know what? I'm not going to get him now. I'm sorry. Don't bring him on the show. What's the point now? If you're just going to shit all over. I'm not going to shit. I will get up to speed. I'll get familiar with this. When he comes to the show, I'm definitely going to turn it over to Joel. Yeah, I will do my research. And Joel, when it happens, bro, do not cuck out. Keep the same energy. I mean, what do you think I'm going to do? I'm not going to be me. What do I know you from? No, no, no. Okay, hold on. Hold on, cuck out. I'm going to be a kind, polite person when he comes on here. Treat me. If you want me to say I wasn't familiar with your work before, brother, I'm sorry, but I watched your last few comedy specials and they were incredible. let me ask you about how you come up with a joke you know i could do that when he comes on nah there you go the same way you could do that but the same way you was just putting the wheel in his back that would be the same way see that's my thing no no you know your thing ain't no if i put the wheel the same way you was just putting the wheel in his back shit we didn't go back and do the put the wheel in the back the same way i respect him no i mean i don't know i mean i i'm not making up the fact that i did not know who he was but i but you all were talking to me like i I mean, this is Bill Bellamy in 1994 or something. In fairness, though. Do you think it's more famous, Bill Bellamy or Tom Segura? Hold on. This year? What in this year? I mean, you ask. Right now it's Tom. It's probably Segura, unfortunately. Really? Right now it's definitely Tom. 94 Bill Bellamy is something else. Yeah, definitely Bill Bellamy. But it's close. You think it's close? I don't know. Like, should we just do an Instagram follower? Yeah, do a search. Do a little accounting. Because I don't know, because Bill, you're never going to get me to Bill. Bill Bellamy does great stories, man. We should get Bill Bellamy on the fucking show. That's a good ass. I'll be excited about that. Yeah, me too. Can I just betray? Bill Bellamy is 60? Wow. I want to betray Joel for a second. Joel said he doesn't know who Tom Segura is. He also didn't know who Octavia Spencer was. Because when he said yes, he said in the chat, he goes, who is this? And then he's like, I thought it was a different Octavia. And he still hasn't told us who that Octavia was. No, stop it. I was just – I was getting her confused when you said that Octavia Spencer. He didn't say he'd never seen Hidden Figures. But I saw the help. I saw what else was she in, the help. She's been in a lot of good people. I'm not even trying to count. I'm just not – Dinner for schmucks. So Joel – so Bill Bellamy has 929,000 followers. Tom Segura has 2.7 million. Okay. there you go Joel and Joel you are following Tom Segura on Instagram you know what happened I followed him I followed him because we were going to talk to him and I was like well I need to get up to speed on who this guy is Joel doesn't follow him I was about to die I didn't know I don't be paying attention I'm going to follow him right now so we can end all doubt it's Tom Segura Instagram Segura Tom follow. I was going to say follow by Tate Frazier, Tom Shady 300, and 19 other people. Who's Tom Shady 300? Kyle. In the show, bro. Oh, yeah. Oh, my bad. Hey, Kyle, what's up, bro? I'm good with you. I like you. You said my bad. I don't have any problems with him. I don't have any problems with him at all. Just Tom Segura. That's the only one. I don't have a problem with Tom Segura. If he comes on the show, I'll be lovely to him. I promise you. All right. Well, we'll reach out to Bill Bellamy and see if we can get him on the show. Oh, yeah. Definitely do that. Billy, get Bill Bellamy, man. Yeah. No pressure, Billy. Yeah. Just do that. All right. I think that's all we got for today. I appreciate everybody tuning in to Ring Your Tailgate. Hope you have a wonderful week, and we will see you all next week. Must be 21 or older and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older and present in D.C., Kentucky, or Wyoming. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24-7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-AND-Y or text HOPEANDY in New York for Louisiana. Call 1-877-770-7867.