Spittin' Chiclets Episode 602: Featuring Luc Robitaille

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Get Body Armor Flash IV at your local 7-Eleven. Whoa, we're buzzing right now. Welcome everyone to episode 602 of the Spit and Chickle's podcast. We are back a day early, ready to roll with Luke Robotyte. What a legend. But first, at Bumble, we're all about helping you find someone who vibes with the real you. This year, meet real people on Bumble who actually want you for you. Whether you're looking for big, soul-shaking love or fun, casual dates on Bumble, clear and honest intentions lead to better matches. When you say what you're looking for up front, you get more in line in meaningful connections. With features like photo and ID verification, you feel more confident the person you're talking to is real. Start your year off with real connections on Bumble. Download Bumble today. What? Read. Yeah, guys. I can read. I can read. I can read sometimes. What's going on? Bizz, you've been an excellent reader lately. That's true. Usually when I'm reading about dick pills, I just all of a sudden turn into a reading savant. No way. That makes total sense. You're a dick guy. No, I do the row ads. Have I done any other ads than the row ads? I don't know. You're addicted to those. The ads are the pills. Or just dick. Or your own. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Pause. Pause. So we have we have 95 minutes with Luke Robotai. I know I know we're pumping this up, but just please, everyone, we even wanted to drop this episode Thursday because it gives you a little extra time to listen in before we're back at back with you on Monday, a comedian, a Hall of Famer, a legendary career and an awesome storyteller. We got R.A.'s world. Apparently R.A. is very fired up to talk about your There Will Be Blood video. I got a kick out of that. It was I saw it was six minutes and I was like, I didn't want it to end. I just wanted you to keep going. I tweeted, you may be a movie critic when it all is said and done. Well, I mean, the fact that we've been talking about There Will Be Blood, that's the only movie I watch and I've probably seen it 75 times. And then Quentin Tarantino. Most of you who are listening right now have probably been online and see what the uproar is. I think it was the most viral thing that happened. On Wednesday, no, Tuesday, because you're going to be listening to this two days separated. What was it? So he came out with his very rude, very rude top 20 list of movies of the 21st century. It was a very odd list. Like kind of like all over the place in a sense of genres and what his favorites were. I thought he said Toy Story at four. It was actually he had Toy Story three as his second favorite movie of the 21st century. So you think a guy like Quentin Tarantino would be maybe a little bit like he directed Toy Story. Oh, no. Okay. Well, that makes a lot of sense. He had his number one is Black Hawk down now. I saw it and I saw it one time and all I remember from it is like it was very intense and loud the entire time. Like there was never a break from just like gunshots and choppers. There was like, oh my God, there was though, because it's one of my favorite scenes in Black Hawk down. He's coming at you. No, no, no, but it was a long movie. So it was just a lot of noise for the full, I think it was well over two hours, right? But the biggest that was that was the list right there. So if you're watching online, you could see the full list and he still put there will be blood at five. And the comments were that if there will be blood, wouldn't have had Paul Dano as the priest that it probably would have been ranked first in the 21st century. And he went at Paul Dano saying how he was like, it was a brutal performance. He overacted. He was quote unquote weak sauce in that it ruined essentially ruined the movie where a little fun fact for those for those of you don't know, Paul Dano, he wasn't even scheduled to play the priest. And they were filming the movie for three weeks. And then I don't know who was playing the priest, but they were like, ah, this ain't this ain't it. And the same the guy. So Paul Dano had two days notice and then stepped in in that role where I thought he was excellent. Like call him above average, but it definitely didn't ruin the movie. So I just thought it felt like a personal attack, not only a Paul Dano, but my favorite movie. So I went exactly I went right at Quentin Tarantino saying that he was hitting the crack pipe. And I'm interested to hear what our race thoughts because he's the movie guy. Now you saw the movie. What did you think of Paul Dano in it? I thought he was great. The worst part of the quotes was I think he he at the end said he's the worst actor in the SAG, which is I think screen actors guild. Yeah, so I guess you call just it seems like there's something personal between those two going on. Somebody a bunch of tweets were legit like somebody must he must have plowed his mom or something. Yes, or or or or his wife or something something personal. Quentin Tarantino has known to have a foot fetish. So people were saying maybe he didn't show him his feet when he asked for a picture or to see them live in the flesh. I don't know what his personal vendetta is against him. But definitely an off the cuff comment that I didn't appreciate. Yeah, I thought that kid was good in that movie. He's like one of those actors that like you think like, Oh my God, is he this weird? Like is this just how he is? Like was he in a he was in Batman, right? Yeah, he was the riddler. He was the riddler. Yeah, yeah. Like just like you think that that's him. So I thought he did a good job in that movie. Yes, he played. But so one of the other things was is Tarantino said that it should have been a two hander was the comment where that's a movie like we talked about the other day heat where you have two main guys going at it and they and they both dominate the screen. But that to me wasn't what he was supposed to provide. He was this kind of this. Basically Daniel Day Lewis and Daniel Plainview, the oil tycoon. He was his bitch. And he was this naive priest trying to be like basically be a poser where he would give these sermons where he would just be like, oh, you know, like like screaming like you see in these clips online of these priests who have bent leaves who are trying to praise the like to spread your wealth, right? So 400 million. Yeah. Yeah, they're selling out the Dallas Cowboys Stadium the fucking. Yeah. Who's the who's the one guy where they had all the floods in Texas. And he built this big mega church and he didn't want anybody staying in it while they were out of their homes and stuff. It's like that's literally what the money's for, buddy. So I don't know. I just thought it was a it was a bizarre way to start the week. And it just so happened. It's my favorite movie all time. And Quinn Tarantino went below the belt on me. There's two things in two things in this life that you don't come after. It's Houston's and it's fucking there will be blood and whoever's in the way is going to get these hands. So for the rest of you out there, anything else is on like me and Whit have chirped you up and down since we've known you. Those are two things we know not to bring up and I will never ever bring those up. I mentioned it, although it is crazy that Houston's didn't give a salad named after you. I still will stand by that salad. But that yeah, the toss salad exactly with extra extra mayo on it. But it's a it that's Cisco and Beesburg right there. That's just like you. That's that's just you just ripping up movies and ripping on directors who come at you know your movie that that's a good call by Keith. I still said though I believe that Quinn Tarantino, even if you're you're a you're a big time movie head, he's probably in the top 10 all time as far as directors with his catalog of movies, the uniqueness of them and the and the plots and just the way that he's able to to get all the best actors in them. And then but I would even personally have him in my Mount Rushmore. So it's nothing against him personally. It's just more of his ignorant comments towards Paul Dannell. Our is probably trying to rip through his computer screen to get on this zoom right now. Maybe he agrees with Terran. Well, we'll get into that later. Our is world. You know, that's what whatever he wants to talk about. We're living in his world. That's right in that segment. So tonight, everyone, us three will be in studio together with Andy Petrillo and we'll be going coast to coast big time bummer for Keith and I that this isn't in the States. I understand, you know, TV rights, all that Amazon's just in Canada right now. But for anyone in Canada listening, tune in Amazon Prime tonight. I went through last night. We got a hell of a slate. You know, blues Bruins, Rangers centers, big game pens, lightning, predators, Panthers, avalanche Islanders, Schaefer versus Macar, Maple Leafs, Hurricanes, Leafs are kind of going right now. Wings, Bluejack, it's wild flames, Kraken Oilers, goddamn Edmonton and that wall step fucking guy is just killing me. But and then four shutouts. What is he at four shutouts now in his last six games? Oh, and two in his last 10 games. The wild are a complete wagon. It kind of brings us into to last a Tuesday night's games. A great slate. Also, I think the big takeaway at the end, you know, you wake up in the morning, what were the big things that happened? That Badaard goal? I mean, which one? I know, the one that actually counts in the stats. The shootout one might have been even dirtier. And apparently skating by the Vegas bench after guys were like, that was unreal, because like somebody saw him say thanks to the bench. Yeah, sometimes just get your cap there, fine son. Good job. You just opened up the wickets and slid it right through the five full, but the shot man, and it was on shade theodore. This is a world class defenseman, a guy who could skate almost as well as any D man in the league. He gets him to pivot cuts back in and that release and the way he shoots the puck bar down from that far out. It was it was a thing of beauty. I couldn't stay up for that game. I passed out after midway through the second and then I get up. I see that. I'm like, are you kidding me? This guy and his skill level and what he's doing within all the noise about the Olympics, it's not just not slowing him down. It's actually making him elevate his game. So incredible goal from there. I didn't know if there was anything from Tuesday nights games that stood out to you, but is personally well, I mean, the league, I'm obviously the Leafs winning itself, Florida was huge. Congrats. They beat the Charlotte checkers. No. Hey, listen, man, wins a win. Fucking Leafs needed bad. Probably the trolling from Marshawn, which it felt like trolling. Unless did you guys send some sincerity in his voice? I only read it. Did you see the video of it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I felt like he kind of had a few smirks in there, kind of like when you do when your lip starts quivering and drives me up the fucking wall. I don't know. I mean, I the lip quiver sometimes just because I'm like so excited listening to the next point that's going to come out of your mouth. It's it's not necessarily trolling. It's just like, Oh my God, like we have a legit movie critic on the pod talking about hockey. This is a gift from God. So you're a fucking asshole. What? I'm serious. I love it. Oh, wait, are you being as sincere as Brad Marshawn right now? I'm being more sincere. If you're saying he's trolling, there's no troll in me right now. I feel like I feel like he's trolling and trying to stir things up. But going back to the Badaard, like I feel like like coming into the year, I don't think any of us had him on the Olympic team. Right. Would you would you agree? No, right? Yep. And with every gain that's going on, like it's just more and more confidence where you feel like, Okay, wow, we're seeing the best of it. Oh my God, he's got another. Oh my God, he's got another level. And he's just he's just clawing at that confidence. And with every game I see him play, I'm like, Damn, I think that he's going to be starting the tournament on the wing with, you know, Crosby or McDavid at this point. Like you can't you really can't deny his skill and the way that he's moving out there. And I know what's weird to say. Like some people might be fucking screaming at their at their radios or at their YouTube channel right now at the fact that I have, like, do you have him playing starting the tournament on the wing now at this point? I think he went from penciled in in the beginning of the year. And now it's set in stone. He's on the team. Like what he's doing this year, like you said, with the pressure, with the pressure being a young guy trying to make the team going to be the next face of the, you know, Canada hockey movement, I guess him in Macklin Celebrini, but I think 100% it's not even a question anymore whether you think he's going to be on the team or not. It's what you said. What line is he going to be on? Yeah, I just I can't see him starting as like a third or fourth line center. Can you? Well, look at the line. So you got the top four guaranteed of the top six forwards. We got McKinnon Crosby, McDavid, Reinhardt, right? After that, like I actually think Crosby, Reinhardt, Marchand is just such a sick line. And Marchand is the one guy on Florida. Well, Reinhardt as well, but like he he's locked in like what he's done last year in the cup final last year in that tournament, like he's there. Then I mean, if you're looking at McDavid and McKinnon playing with Celebrini and Badard or figuring out one of the guys fitting in there, it makes sense. It really does. Now, I think there's some serious question marks. They're like good question marks for Canada. You're so deep. You have so many options. But I wonder if we're going to be surprised that the amount of guys that aren't playing a big role in February in Italy that were in February in Boston last year. You mean in North America? I know. Apparently, there's like legit rumors that this might happen. And you said it, Biss. You're like the new Murals. It's your idea. You thought of it. Just bring this thing over here. We'll sell out every Barney, play it in. So I guess we'll dive a little deeper into this. So we've heard rumblings that they went over there to check out the rink and it's just not in good shape. We talked about it even last podcast, but the rink is getting put down today. Yeah. But keep in mind, it's four feet shorter as far as length. So they fucked up the length. I don't know how you do. So they're going to take away the neutral zone. So just the neutral zone, be sure that it's the same as was it. Who did Nashville, Pittsburgh? You won't even notice it. Like they did it in that Nashville, Pittsburgh game. It just shortens the neutral zone a little bit. So it does. I don't think that's a big issue. The thing that would suck for the players is they don't get the experience of the Olympics and to be in the Olympic Village and take all that in. I think for the integrity of the sport and the game, and also given how much North America and how much the growth of hockey is happening in the States right now, I think that it would be a blessing in disguise that they ended up moving the hockey component of the Olympics over to North America. Worry about growing it over here. And obviously, I don't know what's going to happen with the money. I would assume that the gate has to end up going to the IOC because they're like fucking as corrupt as they come and they're not going to be able to take the criticism of fucking this whole thing up. And the fact that this rink wasn't built because they're taking four hour express so breaks in the afternoon. But I just think that it would be sick to see it over here. And then it's in our time zone where we're going at normal times, whether it's afternoon games or at night, snap it around to Boston, Minnesota. I think that color because you got to think of rinks that wouldn't be occupied in advance like knowing in advance because I would imagine like MSG like that's for sure got to be booked up, maybe even in Boston like Minnesota not sure I feel like that's a place that deserves to watch Olympic hockey Edmonton Toronto Montreal. I just think that they should seriously consider thinking about shifting it over here and I know it would suck for the players to not get that true experience. But in fact, minus all the travel and all the bullshit, they might want that. What do you guys think about doing it over here? Do you think it takes away from the Olympics? No, I mean, you don't get to go to the opening or closing ceremonies anyway. Yeah, you missed the village, but the village sounds like it's a Section 8 housing dump. And you don't even really get to go to like other events. You're not really, I mean, maybe we got to see like a little bit here or there, but I just think at this point, the guys wouldn't even care saving the travel over saving the time change saving all that you're in North America. And in terms of the gate like IOC, yeah, they definitely get something, but how many seats are in this arena that's still being built anyways, there's no way that's the other thing. So it's like the atmosphere would be even better. And G was chiming in in the group text about Lugano. That's in Switzerland, right? Yes. So I heard that's a definite no. Okay, so just even hearing that, like what are the other options? So this is becoming more and more of a serious issue. We'll get as much information behind the scenes and bring it to you guys as far as what we can. But that's probably at the top of the list of concerns right now for the NHL and trying to grow the game because this was, this is the first time they're back and I don't know how many years the first time that McDavid is going to be playing best on best. Same with McCarr, right? To I don't think McCarr has either. Like, but this will be 12 years. It was 2014 Russia. And then here we go. We're having a fucking rink issue. So I heard, I heard, I think the biggest issue too is like they're gonna supposedly have the ice down January 5th, I think, and get some skating on it, whatever. But the biggest issue I think could be if, you know, those days that you have three games on like that first day where there's three games on that same sheet with, you know, these big massive guys skating on it, like it takes the tear on it. So you could be looking at like a sheet of ice, like remember playing an afternoon game and the HL after or a late game after a NBA game and there's like cones on the ice to not skate by. So I think that would be something to worry about. So even having to pivot halfway through the tournament because the ice is so shitty, it's like, why not just start it over here? Yeah, it's like, you can't even truly test it to what it's going to be going through during the Olympics. I agree with the Yans. I don't even think they should risk it. I think they should think of an alternative plan right now. And some people might say, well, keep it at least closer. Like maybe they can go to Sweden or Finland or somewhere overseas. I just think, what do you think 80 to 85% of the players that are going to be playing in the Olympics are playing in the National Hockey League. Yeah, maybe it's more because of you're saying because of Switzerland. Yeah, there's some countries where it's like half, if not more than more than half the players on the team. She's saying Turin where they had the 06 games that Sweden won the gold. It's an hour and a half from Milan. So that makes a lot of sense to me. Now, if this rink they're building right now, like, do we bring over, does the NHL bring over the ice crew? No. Is it like Mario and Luigi out there on the Zamboni that they've done it for like a couple months? Like, because that honestly, it's the same people that did the rink in Torino, but it's not NHL guys. It's not because, I mean, think of those, the outdoor games they put up in what, a couple months, two months? Even quicker, I think. Quicker. I mean, obviously that's different. They probably have the compression stuff underneath, but why not bring those guys over? Because what I heard is that where it is in Italy right now, there was like, they didn't have water, they didn't have power. It was like a brand new site. Like they just said, okay, let's put a rink here. And then they had to build the infrastructure. So it's FIFA and the Olympic committee is mafia. Those are absolute clown shows. They're mega yachts. Clown. Yeah. They're very similar to Joel Austin and the rest of that Catholic Christian group with the monster houses and the Goddies. G wrote it up there. Joel Austin. Yeah. Here's a church that I make 45 million a year and built this church, but as this hurricane is ravaging through our town, nobody's allowed in here, but make sure you come back to church and donate in three weeks when you get back into your houses. So the Olympic committee and FIFA are just scam artists. That's what it is. Upsetting for the NHL. I'm sure that Gary Bettman's sitting in his office fuming that we're back. It's finally back. And it was a lot of headaches to get back, right? The disagreements with the owners and the players and the league and all this. All right, let's do it. This is great for the game. And now this is the noise coming out. Now granted, if it all turns out okay, once the game starts, that's all we're talking about. That's all we care about. But as of right now, this should not be the storyline. It should be going through the top six of Canada, US, Sweden, and, and then not talking about a rink that's like the bricks are still being put up and they're putting the cutter on the back of the Zamboni like three, three hours before the face off of the first game. It's gonna get the done. It's gonna get the done. They need guys to go over there and help out. We should just go. Like if they need bodies, let's go and do it. We're here to build the game too. We're gonna end up drinking wine, Italian food. I used to, I used to help lay brick. Oh, I know you lay brick. I'd never change that. It didn't stop. It's tough. I used to build houses in Wellin. I used to bring them wider to the guys laying the brick. Really? Is the mix help mix it in the mixer and then, and then put it put in the pales, dump it in the wheelbarrow and then wheelbarrow all the way up to the house. And then they could. I'd love to see what those houses are in. I think back then I was making $10 cash an hour. Right to arrow, Pistol, grab a t-shirt resell it a few years later. Right to right to fucking. To Malkin. Yeah, right to Aldo for my new dress shoe. So I can get up now has it. It's been passed around Russian since biz bought it. I'd love to see if those houses are still standing, man. You don't think I take pride in my, my, my helping with brick laying work. You don't think so. They're all singing Christmas carols. The roof collapses. They're like, pissing at. I wasn't the one putting the brick on the house. I was just helping mix the moiter. I know, but that might be more important than the actual laying of the brick is the, the, what built, what is making the brick? I look Italian and I'm half decent at mixing moiter. I'll, I'll see you over there. I will see the other thing I was going to bring up too. I don't know what the expectations were coming into the year. I think a lot of people thought that Washington was going to drop off in that car, Barry and crew, man. I'll tell you, like, even when they came back on the lease, when they were down those two goals, I don't know if you guys caught the video in the locker room and they have all, they always have these, these locker room videos come out and just like every time car, Barry says something, the way that the players light up and they have their inside jokes and yeah, like, like always like, oh yeah. Like, and everybody's like in unison. Like it's unreal to watch. Like that to me is the embodiment of what a team should be like and, and the chemistry they have and the love for one another. And you know, it's a bunch of and think of how many like castaways they ended up picking up like chicken, you know, he gets shipped out of Arizona, ends up going to Ottawa, couldn't settle in there. He ends up having a career year last year, gets the big ticket. And then now I'm pretty sure he's a name that got added to that list of players that could be representing Canada for the Olympics. So who would have thought a few years ago after getting, I don't want to say, isn't he American? No, he's not American. It might be dual. His father was playing. I want to see from Florida. Yeah, his father's, his father's Canadian. He won a Stanley Cup, I believe with the penguins played in Philadelphia. And now they reside in is a Boca Raton. Yep. Florida. So I believe he does have Canadian citizens citizenship and he would represent Canada if he did go to the Olympics, which I mean, if his plays speak it for itself, I think if he deserves a very strong consideration, Dylan Strom, another guy who was a castaway who ended up going over to Chicago, they didn't want them. I don't even think they qualified them. And I mean, the list goes on of, I mean, Logan Thompson, who should be another guy who's on the fucking Olympic team. So it's remarkable what Carberry and crew has done there. And I think they deserve a lot of praise for the last few years, people saying, eh, you know, they rode the OV goal wave last year and getting playoffs and doing damage. And this year, I think that a lot of people would have thought they would have dropped off, especially with the rumors of it being OV's last year and assuming that he would then drop off, but they are all systems go five wins in a row. And where do they sit right now in the standings? I believe they're in the top their second place in the metropolitan tide. Actually, they're tied. Carolina's got a few games in hand on them, but tied with 34 points. So remarkable what Carberry's done. And we didn't bring up that with the with the four feet shorter for the Olympic ice for the ice at the Olympics. Is is there a person in the league as a defenseman, Keith, that you would not want to give four more feet on the four check to then Tom Wilson, Tom Wilson, home. So okay. And I think it might have been, was it the bore saying, or was it maybe Nick Kiprios on his show? Like, yeah, so it's shorter. So you have less room to get away from four checkers. And now we're talking Tom Wilson, just killing someone. Now, granted, if you breathe on someone the wrong way in international hockey, you can get like a tournament disqualification and you're just immediately banned. But he will throw a hit over there if he's on that team, which I think he should be that just basically knocks a guy out of the rest of the NHL season and sends Canada buzzing up and down the ice the rest of the game, chanting on their like warrior savage four checker on four feet less of ice. So Tom Wilson, I see him on the team. I see him 100%. But wait, I think it'll be some poor kid from Denmark who I know, I know, I know, just doesn't understand that you got to have your head up no matter what. And there is 0% chance Tom Wilson finishes that tournament. No, that might be a worry. But he's been smarter. He also has 16 goals. It's like this guy's turned into a legit offensive weapon. He's got a five or six game point streak right now. Yeah, it's crazy. Ovi at two apples to Tuesday night. I didn't believe in him last year. And then this year I was like, all right, I think the magic of the Ovi goal chase will end. And I thought I was right. And they've just completely flipped things around. They look awesome. In terms of Olympic news that leads into our Olympic roster questions that leads into current NHL questions, goaltending and Jordan Bennington. He got pulled the other night. I don't know if you saw the little exchange. He was not happy with getting pulled and he's coming off. He's got his helmet on so you can't read any lips. I didn't see a view of Monty talking back to him, but he was drawn at him. Monty was funny. He was asked about it. So he told me that he loves me and I told him I love you, Jordan. But I don't really know why he was that upset. He got pulled both goals were pretty weak. They went at one went like far side on him from near the boards. And the other one was just like an awkward looking kind of off angle. St. Louis has nothing going on and Monty pulls it, pulls them out of the game. And I don't think that's something that lingers. Now, if he gets pulled quickly again, you could see him like hand-to-hand attack his own coach, maybe. But I was surprised to see when the team's doing that bad, that's probably part of it. The emotions are crazy. Everyone's down in the dumps. Now we're down again in this game at home. I think it was. And he's drawn at his coach. Not good if you're a Blues fan. I think this puts a little bit more oxygen in the fact that he might get dealt. I think that Monty handled that perfectly though. Like that was comedy when he, like I read those quotes and oh man, that's a seasoned vet as a head coach just completely defusing his situation and getting all the reporters laughing. But buddy, this team has struggled. They've been dealing with injuries. They've just haven't played well. You think that you thought that they would ride that magic after the second half of last season and they look like a shell of themselves. Not as physical, just playing with no confidence. So I don't know. I'm not the goal-tending expert. I don't think it's has been his best start to the year. Do I think that it's affected his Olympic bid probably? But I would imagine if you're Candle, you still just bring them even if it's that third, just to have them. You got a guy who's comfortable in that room and with the boys and they have confidence in him. So I don't really know what else to say, but have you been hearing any rumors, more amplification on a potential trade? The only things I've been hearing is the Edmonton stuff. But I honestly think when it comes down to it, St. Louis could be trading a lot more guys than just Jordan Bennington. Like you said, Whit, they look like a shell of themselves. They bring nothing. I love Robbie Thomas. I think Kyru is a nice player too, but the rest of the day, they got to step it up there. I would not trade Thomas, Broberg, Holloway, and Neighbors. That's it. And I was one earlier that's what? Snuggerood. I'm sorry, Snuggler. He's out-entered too. It wasn't on my head. Or I'm just making an excuse that I forgot about. Good excuse. I was on the thing like why would you trade Kyru? But I guess at this point, like maybe you could get a lot back for him and maybe there's parts of his game that Doug Armstrong is not a fan of. I don't know. I'm just kind of thinking here that the fact he's been in the news as a possible trade target, that there might be something there. So those five names, those are my safe list. But after that, yeah, let's try to figure this thing out and try to set Alexander Steen up with something to go with once he takes over as GM. Yeah, you just don't want to panic trade too, right? Because Kyru is such a valuable asset at $8 million for how many more years to come. But then again, it kind of reminds me of maybe a Sabres trade where they ended up trading cousins to Ottawa for like a Josh Norris, right? Where you're just trying to get something. You're trying to spark the team in some sort of way. And usually when a big move like that goes down, it's kind of like an eyebrow raise like, oh, fuck, maybe nobody's safe around here. And it gets everybody playing to the top of their ability, which I don't know if you guys saw Norris's first game back with Buffalo. He looked great. And now they got their full roster. So maybe they start getting going here. This is a big, we actually got them on TNT tonight against the Flyers who have been playing way above their expectations so far this year, getting great goal timing, Zegers having a career year. But now is normally the stretch of time where Buffalo takes a dump and they put themselves behind the eight ball and in really no possibility of making playoffs. So I'm really interested with a healthy roster. And a lot of questions around that core group in Buffalo, what can they do in this next 10, 15 game stretch here before, or I guess they probably have about 20 before Olympic break. I think the biggest haul you'd get just to go back to St. Louis would be Perreco. Like, imagine, imagine. And I didn't say Shen, but and Shen, dude, that guy's a warrior, standing cup champ. Like, but at the, he's, you know, he's on the back nine of his career, I'd say. And I think a cup contending team would give up a boatload for him. Right. Like, that is a guy like, all right, we slide this guy in our third line. Like our team just got so much better. Yeah. That's not that reeks of like a Florida grabbing him and all of a sudden, you know, what? I don't, I don't want to hear like Florida. I know you're right though. You're right. But and Buffalo, I had a DM from a Buffalo fan. He's like, I don't even want, what did he say? Something like teams just want to, you know, make the playoffs that haven't been in the playoffs for so long. I'm not even thinking that. And I'm not even thinking being in the race in March, when March starts, like, if you're still in the race, March 1st, like, all right, we got, we got a fantastic final 20, 25 games here. He's like, just February, when February starts, can we still be in it? So that's where the savers, they just want to February 1st. Right now, they're five points out of the last wildcard spot. I would consider where they're at now, February 1st, still in the race. Now, when you have to leapfrog seven teams, it's a little fake when you see five points considering all the teams above you. But this poor guy, he doesn't even want playoffs. He doesn't even want being in the mix in March, just February. So just a battle game to get into a wildcard spot at home with the goat jerseys on. That's all he wants. That, that would be special. Like a February 28th afternoon game in Buffalo. Everyone's crippled because they haven't even been to sleep because there's such drunks there and they show up. And if they win this game, their second seed wildcard February 28th, the place to be buzzing. Yeah, wait, look, some snacks just show up. Blue Diamond Omens and more shows out omens, cashews and pistachios in bold flavors like honey roasted, smokehouse and roasted sea salt, freshness guaranteed and clutch in crunch time. Every bite. Try Blue Diamond Omens and more, the flavorful nuts. Because I know that they've looked better. I know that they've won three of four. A lot of questions around Matthews right now, I think he scored the nice goal in Pittsburgh. What are you seeing? Like, are you, are you as wary as some Leafs fans are? Because a lot of them, at least on Twitter, like, where did the magic go? Like what is going on? I saw one Bedard Stolt Matthews release from him. I'm curious if you're like, all right, something's off here. Yeah, there's been a few moments where he has looked more like himself recently. I think people are concerned about the injuries piling up and what type of shape his body's in. There was a few clips even from the game against Florida where you could see where he's got a perfect opportunity where if you're Austin Matthews, like that is your scoring zone. Like every time, especially in the year where he scored 69 goals, Gigady, he was fucking firing that thing. No questions asked where he seems to have more of a past first mentality, which I don't like. They put him on the point on the power play. And yeah, Yann's is shaking his head right now. Like I think first of all, they end up giving up that shorthanded goal when they're up to nothing in that game. And I think as far as what Baru based postgame comments were is I think that experiment's over. But just weird, like you're up to you're on the road, it's a building where you've given up a two goal lead before to lose complete control of a fucking playoff series less than a year prior. But yeah, I would say that I'm just like the more that people watch him and worry about his body, I guess it gets me in my own head about about how his back's feeling and where he feels that physically. I mean, he's loved a lot of miles over the first part of his career. I don't know, man, like I think that right now, don't put them there. Let them just focus on his position and worrying about that and then delegate the playing defense to fucking defense on the power play, despite if your power play might be even struggling a little bit. But yeah, I could see why people are trying to kick up dust on that. Like what I saw that clip. I saw the clip you're talking about where he wheels like high above the circles and comes down to the slot and whoever made the video was a random person. I saw making a video like this is your area. This is your trekkie behind the net and he dishes it over to no one. And the guy that it's obviously a Leafs fan. He's like, what is this? That was the one you're talking about, I think. Yes. Yeah, that's kind of the main clip where I think people are seeing a little bit too much past first mentality where it's like, nah, man, you need to be selfish. You have one of the nastiest releases the league's ever seen. So that's why the injury question mark comes in as to why maybe he's not getting the same velocity or maybe that torque and the way that he shoots it is putting more strain on his body. But I don't know. I think that the team overall just needs to worry about defending better. Pasha sent me the under the hood stats the other day where basically there were second, last or last in every statistical category as far as them letting goals in their own net and their D zone coverage. So the more that that improves and the more that, you know, wool and Stolar's play to their capability, the better they're going to get because them putting the puck in the back of the net hasn't been the issue so far this year. And as far as more Leafs concern, Dakota Joshua got, I would say, a fairly deserved PP whack. It's like, hey, man, 20 games in here. I think we've been patient enough. Let's see more of that bulldog mentality and you using your size and being a fucking factor out there. And then he ended up having one in one last game. Scott Lawton coming back huge for the penalty kill. And he's a dog and then he ended up getting his first the other night. So things are starting to turn around. Regardless of Brad Marchand was trolling or not. I do think that they are going to end up in a playoff spot and that the rebuild quotes in the fucking trade this guy, trade that guy. Let's bash Morgan Riley here. Let's bash this guy there. That's just going to stop. Let's simmer down here. 30 games into the year. Let's just get the ship righted and fucking and get ourselves inside the playoffs. I mean, let's throw it over to Yann's like how about fucking Florida here? That's what I was just, I was just going there. The last place in the Easter conference, Keith. And you could say we got no Kachak. We got no Barkov, a bunch of injuries, but you're not worried in the least. No, last time I saw that Matthew is skating. I saw that last night on the broad. I thought it was on the broadcast, but if he's skating and he's back soon would be unbelievable. Because obviously when you're missing guys like him and Barky, it affects everybody else. You're not seeing the same Reinhardt that you usually see. You're not seeing the same Bennett that you usually see just because those guys are so good at driving lines and getting everybody in the mix. And even like Benny, when Benny's at his best, he's running around killing people. But Matthew's doing the same shit. He feeds off of that type of energy. Obviously, the goal scoring and stuff like her, it's not having them out there. But I honestly think I expected a little more from the younger guys like the Samuskevich. I thought he was going to come in. I don't know if these guys are just a little bit more comfy, not fighting for a job because their slots are set for the season because they have so many injuries. But if I was on that team, I'd be putting a little blame on the younger guys needing to step up. But Marchy, he's been incredible. He lost Luster Reinhardt, one of his linemates. He's not even playing right now too. What he's done, if there was any questions in the beginning of the year, if he was too old to be on the Olympic teams, he's going to be there like you said earlier with Bob too. Bob hasn't been great. He hasn't been himself. You notice things from playing with him. When he's tracking Pox, there's little things that I can see in his game where it's like, okay, I think I said it to you one warm-ups with when we were at the game. You're screwed. Yeah, you're screwed. The way that he feels the puck and sees it, I'm like, okay, this guy's feeling it. And I haven't seen that this year so far from him. He's given up a couple. It seems like a weak goal or a couple of weak goals every game. But honestly, it's one of those things. You can't judge them yet till Barkey and Matthew are back. I think the Kulakov injury too is a huge miss for them too. People aren't talking about that. He steadies that blue line. He plays his role. He doesn't ask for more. He doesn't ask for less. Does everything the right way? It's just one of those things right now. The injuries are brutal to even judge them on. But if I was on that team, I'd be wanting a little more from the younger guys who are given these minutes right now. Because at the end of the day, when those guys come back, you're not getting those minutes. Yeah, and I think right now, they might be, they're not ready for those minutes. They're playing in a role that they're not ready for, maybe will never be ready for. I don't know. But it is at some point, like three straight cup finals, dude, for a lot of those guys, like they are gassed. They're injured. I even couldn't believe Tuesday night, there was a loose puck race. And now Nick Robertson can motor, but he beat Forstling, outmuscled Forstling, and it ended up being Lawton's first goal of the year. It was like seeing Duncan Keith, like lose a race to a loose puck and then kind of get outmossed. You just never see it out of Forstling. So he's probably playing even more than they want him to even being the best in shape, a VO2 guy in the world. It's like, it's just wearing down on guys. So at some point, yeah, there's a lot of hockey left, but that much hockey in the past three years and this, this amount of injuries, like if they went on to miss the playoffs, it's not it. After what I've seen so far, it wouldn't be like that shocking. And this is from a group of guys who said they're just going to win it again this year. They're decimated right now. Actually, you see the, the, they posted to their social accounts. One of their workers was asking them on the way out to the ice about six, seven. And Brad Marsh, yeah, Brad Marsh, Sean said, if you say that in his household, you get grounded. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. People are coming at me. They're showing the meme of like Sandler's buddy, like, how you doing kids with the backwards hat? Like me being an old guy enjoying six, seven. Sorry for enjoying something. Sorry for enjoying something guys. Sorry for laughing my way through life. You've motherfucking miserable pricks. Fuck you six. Six. Six. Oh, you're fucking loser. You're an old man. Act your age. Shut up. I fucking do a podcast where a hoodie and a hat every day, you bitch. Fuck you. Talking about injuries. I was going to mention, oh God, Tyler Sagan sucks. Yeah, he's out for a long period of time here. ACL. Just like the injuries just keep piling up. The other one too, we talked about a thousandth game, Brendan Dillon. I don't know if you guys caught this situation when he played in this thousandth game against Columbus. There was a net front battle between him and Varanke off a big guy, big, big boy. Most and you know, Dylan just trying to protect the net front. It looked like he kind of threw one with his glove on. And I think Varanke off took that as a signal like, Oh, I might be going. And then Varanke off, you know, sometimes at the end of your shift too, things are happening a lot faster and a lot more intense than they might actually be. And he drops the mitts and then he just starts swinging it. And what a guy with that much length and size gets a great hold of you. Oh, we got Pasha popping on here. Was he coming to talk about that Brendan Dillon thing? What are you doing there? Pasha? I got to show I got, I got something to say to Pasha. Oh, I don't just throw him in there. But since when do you come on unannounced? Yeah, I don't know. I just popped me in on its own. Yeah. Well, anyway, so then Varanke off got that good grip. And then the minute he starts throwing then people had an issue with the way that he threw him down to the ice. I just think this is like a tough result to what Varanke off thought was going to be a fight Dylan's just playing hard in the net front. And from a guy with experience, like when you're in those net front battles at the end of your shift, sometimes it's just like you, you're fucking drop them and you figure that out. And then you ask questions later rather than eating one on the jaw. So sucks to see Dylan in a thousandth game go down the tunnel. He came back to try to finish, but then didn't end up coming back out for the third. So just wanted to mention that one. And he's had neck surgery. Ugh. Biz and all the, all the fans listening, if you're wondering if a guy on your team that you root for, if his teammates like him, go and watch that at what happened after Dylan got hit. Because everybody on that team, you can just tell that they love that guy. Every guy was running someone, everyone was trying to fight someone. I absolutely, and I, I saw some quotes from Sheldon Keefe too. He was pissed the fuck off. Like that's how you know if your teammates love you when they act like that after, and I loved every second of out of your New Jersey Devils, Pasha. Not to drag the shit bag Rangers into the bus, but did you see what Mike Rupp posted after that? Basically being like, where was this with the Rangers when Fox got hit and hurt? He goes, we saw no pulse out of them. They need to show a response like the Devils did. So I digress. You're unbelievable. That's where you went. Now they play again. And then you want to chirp JT Miller ball Posh? Did you see his defensive play last night? All right, get this guy out of here. They beat one of the best teams in the league. They're playing. It was a tie game with three minutes, four, eight minutes left, and he had one of the worst turnovers I've seen and then didn't. Well, a turnover is not offensive play. Play a haters ball. This jacket's made from your mother's pubic hair. You said you had a question for me. What? Silky Johnson. What's nasty? So there was a tweet out that said, I bet you Matthew Olivier cannot wait until December 15th or whatever they play again. Columbus, New Jersey, 31st, New Year's Eve, New Year's Eve. And I can't. I bet you he can't wait for this rematch. Hopefully he's healthy enough to be back and Olivier liked it. You know, that's just a subtle sign, but it's like I'm seeing what you're right now. There I'm watching this hockey game. I see what the Devils are doing to my blue jackets and I don't think they'd be doing it if I was in the lineup. So hopefully he's back December 31st. And I think you're going to see a little bit of a different Devils toughness with that guy. Oh, no, they'll be right. They might get the dermat back. And Danico is playing. He already announced it. Oh, no shit. Yeah. Dylan will beat the fucking wheels off Ron Cobb with a fair start or beat the wheels off Olivier. I welcome it. I can't wait to see it. Well, you think Dylan could beat up Olivier? I don't know if he can beat up Olivier. I think you got to bring somebody up. You bring up a kill someone out of the federal no, you trade back for a bit. Hey, you get McDermid back a little, little, little swap for the night. No, thank you. The other thing I wanted to bring up was Ozzy Wiseblatt ended up scoring his first NHL goal and right afterward points up to the sky for his on behalf of his brother who tragically passed in a car accident not too long ago. So just thought that that was a very special moment and that family's been through so much. And yeah, just, just really happy to see them have a moment like that. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Awesome. Awesome stuff there for the wiseblatt family. And I think it's time for Luke robotized. So everyone sit back, grab a drink, grab a pink Whitney and just enjoy this right now because you're going to love it. It's tournament season and every game feels like an upset waiting to happen. But there's a clear number one seed in the snack bracket, blue diamond, almonds and more. This ain't no play in nut mix. It's almonds, cashews and pistachios in top tier blue diamond flavors like honey roasted smokehouse and roasted sea salt. Freshness guaranteed. Five grams of protein per serving. No filler. No weak links. The official snack of the big 10 is a dominant mix from tip off to the final whistle. Upgrade your snack game with blue diamond, almonds and more. The flavorful nut mix in sports. Winning takes more than talent. 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But they added a game to get a bigger crowd. I don't know the way that standing was. So Robbie Brown, I think Hitch team won, but they played Wednesday, Thursday. We had to play them Friday night. So they played those poor guys played three and three nights. We were supposed to play Thursday and then the finals was Saturday 11. But we so we crushed them on Friday night because it was three and three nights. But then our excuse was we had to play 11 o'clock the next morning against Windsor, which was Gary Roberts. Oh, chase on C chase. So you don't, you don't even get the 24 hours rest. You're right into that was our excuse. So you lost. You lost in the final. I think it was four or two or something. And that was your last year of junior. We were looking at the hockey DB. So Pat Brisson, the agent was on your junior team. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. He was a front and net guy. Well, you're also not mentioning you had 191 points that year. That's a little that's a little ridiculous. And then Keith, you said, let me click on this, the whole Olympics. Another guy had 191 points. Yeah, you were low. Never even played. Now he was in 91 goals. Luke. Yeah, he was he's the best goal scorer I've ever seen. Probably even better. Pure like like Gary Curry was a pure goal scorer. This guy was a whole other level. Really? He just never played. He got he went he signed with Montreal. Then one with the Islanders farm team got MVP of the playoffs. And his story was when he signed with the other dad, Padre Lafontaine, and they said he said all signed. He was kind of a stubborn guy, you know, he said all signed. But I want to have one preseason game next year. They said, yeah, you know, you signed a minor league deal. It's like with the assistant GM. So he went to the final from Europe and got MVP of the play of day one. Next year, he showed up at camp at our Arbor was a coach. And he cut him after three. He said, listen, you had a really good camp. You did really good. If you go down there, you know, and you do well, we'll call you back because he was he was small. And he looked at him in his broken frame goes, no. And now I'm because no, he goes, no, you guys told me you would give me a game. So he says, well, I can't you know, you got all the guys and he said, okay, he went home. Never played again. He went to Europe and in Switzerland, he's one of the leading scorer. He played it up over there. He passed over to a man of his word where he was he was awesome. He didn't he didn't say so he said them, you got to give me the season game you promised me probably just because he just like, I want to show you what I could do. Oh, he believed him. He would have, but I do remember him saying before he died, he goes, I kind of screwed that was all I ever I go, you're not getting. He was awesome. I love you. He he's the one that taught me how to shoot. Actually, we didn't do one timers every day for a year. He was the best one time I'd ever seen. And we practice it every day. We're just talking about us during your team. I'm going home out. Okay. That is so far in a preseason game. Well, you grew up in Montreal. Obviously, you're kind of the hockey's ingrained in the culture there. So like, what was your your your upbringing like? Was it hockey in skates at like two, three years old? Like, I think I was four. You know, we we that's how we just started. We didn't have any money. So we went to hockey school and then started playing. And then I just kept playing. And I think I got made doubly with Vinny Danfuss was like a young guy Ben Wahog. He played in the honor. They were they were playing around and probably start making double A and Pee Wee. That's when it kind of took up. But I was always the guy that, you know, he can't skate. He's not going to make the team. And you'd be hearing that you forget the NHL. You'd been hearing that when you were 10 and 11. Yeah. Yeah. They would say the same. Yeah. That's crazy. I remember asking my then, you know, you got someone like, it might really slow you go. All I know if the puck is loose, you seem to get there first. I go, all right. Hey, okay. So it wasn't pretty, but you got the job done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't pretty at all. Did you did you try to improve it after all the criticism? Would you go to like power skating? Every, every single year I did power skating because I knew that was the one thing I had to prove. And I didn't make, I didn't make midget triple A my first year. Then it got sent down and they said, I didn't make the double A. So they sent me why it's not I didn't make double. They just sent me right to double B in those days. So I started there and I finished the year in double A and then the next year I made triple A. That was probably the moment that changed my career because I love Gretzky then. So I would play center and I get to this triple A team and Vinny Danfoo is going to make the team Ben Wahoe. You know, they were ahead of me. And so the coach at the end, he goes, he goes, you had a really good camp. He goes, he says, I don't have room at center. He goes, would you play left wing? I'm like, yeah, play goalie to play triple A. You know, like, so he kept me on the fourth line at to start the year and triple A. But we had a coach, his name was Claude Tarian. He coached in junior major. He's just motivated. No, no, no system, nothing. And so we were just killing team because he was so good at motivating us. And because we're always leading four, five, one, or so far, the fourth line was playing. So you know, when you're up in the fourth beer. So after like three, four weekend, they put the leading score and Vinny Danfoo was there Ben Wahoe. But I was like, let's say six in the league. So then the next week, the left wing on the first line got hurt. And then moved up. Wow, that's what happened. Wow. Then I got drafted junior. That's how it kind of happened. At that age was like Vinny so advanced where like all of a sudden you find yourself in this new position was you saying, Hey, go here, do this. Like was he one of the guys? Well, Vinny was like a year younger. You know, so he was like a first year. So he was just really humble, but he was really good. He was really, really good. Okay. He was already big. He was almost the size of the NHL. Did you step in right away and you were kind of lighting it up as a first liner? Like that was pretty seamless. I ended up leading a team and scoring at the end of year. And I can't remember. I think I got whatever, a hundred points or something like that. Well, and that's when you're like, Whoa, maybe I can make something of this. Like what was the what like, what no agents talked to me, you know, and no, no. So I remember I went to the draft and drew. I didn't know one team had called me. So it was like the first pick was this guy's Jose Charbonneau played in Van Coo. The second was Stefan Richer, I think. And then there was a third one. Then I went to the bathroom thinking like, you know, I don't know when it's going to come out of the bathroom. I was fourth. Really? They picked me to go to hall. What a spot to man, though. They had a rich history even then, right? No, they were they were they were real. They had been bad. They never passed the first round when I got there. And the only guy they had that was a really high end player was Sylvain Terzion. Yeah, up to that point, Hall never had much history. So you guys were I guess the first ones on because I remember like Max Talbot, they won they won them. Max was after. So we were the first team that kind of changed the course. Padbury was our coach. Oh, he was, right? Yeah. Was he like a cop there? First year, he was an assistant coach. He had the big, big beard. And at one point he grew his hair for a couple months. And then he left for about two. He was doing undercover. I think for the in he was inside the Hells Angels. We were like, we were so scared of him, even though he was the assistant coach. And the next year, he became the head coach. But we did, you know, he's your coach. He was mean. He was tough. And he just made us play hard. But I remember after a game, he go, okay, it was only two bars in Hall. He goes, with bar you're going and be or going there. He goes, don't go to that one. And we'd be like, because he was only 29, you know, he was going out as much as us. So we couldn't go to his bar. And you guys were all like, I guess 18 is the drinking age there, right? You guys were all boozing after. That was kind of a culture then too. Yeah, it was. Yeah, that's what it was. We would play Tuesday night and Sunday night. Wasn't a lot of people in the bars. You can't play guilty if you're only playing the Sunday game. Yeah, maybe Friday though. Friday night, if we didn't play on the road, you could go to a couple bars. It was Burnsey, an Exynos guy too, or is he a motivator as well? Just motivated. Just like Burnsey would just like, you know, you went tonight, we're going out. We're going out. That was just a big motivation. So you're two coaches before that. So you had to learn on the fly pretty much. We had to learn to fly and Burnsey would come in. He would talk to a lot of code before that. Like you got to give him credit. He was always talking to the NHL guys and he was reaching out to learn and he'd come in and try a new system with us. But looking back, it was just, you got to go. If you didn't play, for Burnsey, you just didn't play. It feels like a mighty duck script. I feel like we should make a movie out of Pat Burns' life. The fact that he's an undercover cop, he somehow weasels his way into the Hell's Angels. Would they think he's one of them? Yeah, I think that's what it was. And then like, so after that, like was there was never any trouble or weird instances when he was your coach of like any of that past? No with us, but we knew he knew everyone in town. You know, it's a small town and all. So we knew we couldn't do anything. He knew everything. You know, it was so he was my coach, my last two years in junior. So the last year we went to the finals and then he was one more year than he went to Montreal. It wasn't long for him. It was like three years, coach junior. That's it. But you're your draft too. I'm looking at like that was Mario's years. You grew up and and he was around like you always knew about him. Were you playing against him when you were younger? No, because he we're the same age, but he was born in September. So he was a year ahead, you know, always for the hockey berth. Yeah. So like he made junior. So at 16, he played in Laval and I lived next year. So every Monday night, I went to see Mario, my dad. And it was that was that incredible. That was unreal. Like the smoke in the building, you know, people saying the staff, it was marries. People just hacking darts. You mean? Yeah, yeah, just everyone's smoking. It's go back. And then and then the next year when he was 17, Pat Lafontaine came, he was in Verdun. So Patty's game were Sunday night and Mario Monday. So midget triple, he was Sunday afternoon. Then I go see Patty on Monday on Sunday, then Mario on Monday. And those two guys, they were, you know, toe to toe on their leading score. And then the next year, Mario had to come back. That was my first year, junior. That was so you played against him the year he had like 260 points. It was eating even try until in the third most games. I remember we played in in the hall. That was our we had a terrible team my first year. And Mario was coming. I was our biggest crowd and we were like, pump, you know, we're a bunch of kids and yeah. And he he comes in. And after the first, I think we're up one nothing. And in the second, we're up to one and we're like, we got them the crowds going nuts. And Mario was that maybe at 60 games with a point every game. And he had a record to beat. So he was a little nervous. I mean, Maryl, no, no, no, I'm you nervous. It's hard to see, but he looked like he was thinking a little bit. And next I'll never forget he chips it out of his own and his winger just goes all the way down and scores. And Mario showed a little motion and kind of step back. Oh, no, he ended up with like two and two. We lost seven to two. It was over. I mean, it was like unbelievable. Like, then many go, okay, I'm back. Yeah. And then and then the story about that years we all laughed because we all felt he would only play in the third like that year because he was bored. But the last game of the year, he needed a certain record of goals and points to be Gila Fleur. We were talking about that. And he got 11 points that game. And if you go back, the opening face, I'll be put through the guys legs, split the deans, I think roofed it. And we said, that's the only game he played 60 minutes that year. He got 11 points. 11. That's crazy. So that's the most dominant you've ever seen someone on any one service. Anyway, it's not even close. Well, one of the questions I was going to ask you is like growing up there, I feel like these like famous hockey guys are revered as like gods, right? Yeah. So who like, were you hockey obsessed growing up to the point where you were watching them on TV and like the, you know, all of them, the Rocket Richard, all this. Well, come on, too young for the rocket. No, we thought we thought we thought it was normal in Montreal. Like, you know, I was like 10 years old and they won four years in a row. I thought I was just normal. They just won every year. Like we know the Bruins are the bad guys, but Montreal when we we thought it was normal. Like, you know, you didn't realize it. But then I do remember seeing Gretzky my first time 79, I think he was 18. When I saw Gretzky, it just was so different. That was unbelievable. Because Gila floor was end to end, you know, and for me to see Gretz, anybody had had a chance to see Gretz in Edmonton. I was like, just like thinking the game. And he was he was working so much harder. He looked like he was working harder than everyone else because he was always moving. No one had ever played that way. So and then you like, you know, being a late bloomer a little bit, you're saying like five years later, you'd be drafted the first time you see him and then you're playing with him years later. It's like, you must pinch yourself. He bought my junior or junior team the last year. Yeah, hall. That's the hall. He was owner of our last my last year, junior. He bought the team and I remember he came in the room and he should you know, that's how I heard the Pat Bernstoy where he's like, Oh, yeah, he was a cop that used to hang out in the concourse and he would, you know, all the guys who talk shop up there, like he just, you know, word spread that all this guy kind of knows what he's talking about. And like, and then Gretz was the owner of the team. Why would he what made him buy that? So I don't know. He was an Edmonton and his dad knew this guy, Charlie Henry. I don't know if you guys ever heard of him. He was well known in hockey in Ontario and around Ottawa. And Charlie was best friends with Walter and when Gretz bought the team, Charlie was our GM. Oh, that's that's that's how this came about. And and and then we switched the jersey colors to the the the Raiders colors because Gretz loved the Raiders. The Kings colors. We used to be blue and gold and then we were like, we're the Gretzky boys. That's we dad has the Gretzky boys that year. Oh, actually. Yeah. Was he around at all? Maybe he came around or like in during the training camp, I think like, you know, your debate season for them, he came to see a game we all shook his hand in the room with and then the next night he got us all tickets to go see the game in Montreal. It was a preseason game. We were like, and he said back then he goes, fuck, I wasn't getting those games off. Like I would be playing 12, you know, 10, 12 preseason. Oh, he was on the give one to the guy on the island. Give one to Guy. It was a kind of like when we we saw McDavid come on the scene where it just he looked, you said it just looked like he was working that much harder. Was he also faster than everyone? He was quicker. Like he like people forget like Gretz was really quick. Like, you know, it's skating. It was different because he would stop like he would stop up. Everybody knew he was going to stop up on the you had the hash one, but he would step three step back towards the blue line. So like he was the only guy that's ever done that in those days. So the deal would stop and he'd be away and then you doubt he was the first guy to find guys coming behind, you know, I mean, I know cough was fast and all that, but he found everybody. It was unbelievable. So when he stopped up, he would work back to open up that passing lane again where defense were just normally it's like they would just stop and that guy stopped and they put their stick there and they would just try to make the play. He would just like get back, slosh it back over and his stop was always like a turn almost like a stop turn, but he was always moving against the green. I was like, even when it came in LA, I remember watching him like I was something like, Oh, I can't do this. I can't do this. I can't do any number. I could maybe do this one thing that he's doing because you're trying to learn, you know, but he was to me that was sick. What about the behind the net stuff where you guys marveling at like, Oh, like we've never really seen somebody utilize the back of the net that way. Yeah. No one had ever seen it. No one knew how to handle it. I remember my first two years we played against Gretzky and the coach would say, don't chase him. If you don't chase him, he's just got to pick apart at any time. He might as well chase him and the hope like Jacques Le Maire. We always knew whenever we play against Jacques Le Maire, Jacques Le Maire had the rule. Don't chase Gretzky. Gretz for sure got three points against Jacques Le Maire. Even though he was the best defensive coach in the game. Yeah. The Gretz for sure picked him up. There's a clip. I think Jacques was the coach, but Montreal never chased him behind the net and I knew that and we were in overtime. It was a Jacques Le Maire, but he didn't chase him. And if you see me, I think I was with the Rangers with Gretz. I literally go to Gretz, wait. I'm in front of, I go all the way outside the zone because you know, if you go outside and I come right down the middle and he feeds me and I put it in and it was game over. I remember I put my hand up to tell him the way. So the D mattered basically like near the goal line and they're just staying there. Looking at each other. He's going to wait forever because he was going to pick apart the guy. He's finding a passing lead. In the 80s, I think when he was in Edmonton, like it's unbelievable where no one knew what to do with him. And it's also the, I feel like the tape studying wasn't really there, right? So it's almost like you would hear about like how other teams, they would be like through the grapevine, like the William Wallace, like I heard he's seven feet tall and like this is how you're supposed to defend it. Like you guys weren't watching video, were you? It's funny you say that because my first year we make the playoffs and I think we won nine games at home. The Kings here was 21-T. It was easy to make the playoffs then and we're playing the Orleurs and it's in those days, it was back to back in Edmonton and back to back in LA. So I think it was Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday. So we go there on Wednesday and we win the game somehow. And then so you wake up in the morning, there's no skates because we're playing again. I remember the headline, the Orleurs are, this is the 87, they won the cup that year. They had lost the year before. They're choking, they're just ripping them. I'm like, oh, we're all like, this is going to be bad. So we go that night and we got cream 13-2. I think Red's got eight points. I remember in the third, what about 12 minutes left, the glass broke and Mike Murphy was our coach and we're skating around the glass and the referee goes, it's going to take a few minutes and Mike Murphy goes, can you just let the clock run? The best one was Mark Hardy. It's like 12-2 at the time and we're just kind of skating because it's taken so long. And Mark Hardy, we had Bob Bourne with won four cups with the Orleurs, who's playing with us now at the end of his career. He's like, he's down 12-2, the poor guy, he's just skating on the ice, going slow. Mark Hardy goes to him, dead serious, he goes, hey, Bobby, on the third goal, did you, what happened? Like, he's dead serious. Oh, yeah. We got one win. You know what? We're happy. What were you thinking on that pitch on the third goal? That's when he goes over the broken glass, puts one foot over, walks on the clock. Of course, he never sees it. He never sees it again. That is so fucking funny. Oh my God. Anyway, we lost in five. We got the fly back to Endman. Oh, no. Commercial. That's what's stuck. That is so good. So actually, Jans brought this up in the car. You lived with Marcel Diongue the first year with LA. Wow. That must have been crazy. It was pretty wild because what happened, it was Jimmy Carson, Steve Deshae, myself. We all made a team at the same time. So in those days, we came to LA and then they put the rookies at, there was an old hotel right next to the forum. It's called the Airport Park Hotel. And it was the race track where that's where SoFi is now. And we got there and they said, listen, don't go out at night. I'm from Quebec. We don't know anything. We're just barely speaking English. Still does, but. And so we're in the hotel. We don't know anything. And it's a bad hotel. And we're staying there. And they said, don't go out at night. We're like, really? Like why then? You know, if I'm, I've never seen grills on the storefront and stuff like that. So we're kind of scared. We don't go anywhere. So after two days, Marcel went, I think we played a preseason game at home. Marcel went to Rogi or GM and he said, hey, these kids gonna, gonna make the team because we were scoring goals in preseason. It was like, I think we had 11 games or the last two were in LA. So I think we had played the Canucks like five or six times because we had, we had kept in Victoria. So to save money, we played the Canucks in Victoria, one game in Duncan, one game in Nanaimo, one game in Vancouver. We took the Bosa as four, then we played them in Seattle. And you know, when you're rookie, no one knows you. And you know, I was trying to make the team. So you were like scoring every game. I remember by game three Garth Butcher like had me lined up. This kid's not, I wasn't surprising him already. So we played them five times. But anyway, so we get in LA and Marcel went to them and he says, if he's going to make the team, I'll all find a place. So Jimmy Carson lived across the street with a neighbor that he knew I live at Marcel. And then Steve Descheris was about a mile away. He took care of us. That was awesome. That was an Inglewood, right? Where you guys understand? We were in Inglewood. That's where we're staying. But Marcel lived in Palos Verdes. So we're all three of us went to PV Palos Verdes. And the deal was Marcel wanted me to help teach his kids to speak French. But they were helping me speak English. I never learned to speak French to poor kids. I feel like not enough people know about how great he was, right? He was out in LA and it was the beginning of hockey out here. But what was his game like? Like if you describe him now? In those days, like at 35 seems so old and he was still doing that thing where he showed up at camp to get in shape. His pants, he had a little belly and his pants were really loose. And it was kind of it took three weeks to get him going. But he was really, really good. So Jimmy Carson played with Dave Taylor. And I play with Marcel. So they made two lines. And I remember Marcel telling me, just go to net. I'm going to put it at the goalies pads, you'll get a rebound every time. And he never met you had 45 goals that year. He was really, really good. Like as a small player, if you look back at the Kings, for them trading probably butch goring to the Islanders when Marcel the end butch goring were there, if they would have kept butch goring and number one, number two center, they might have been really good in the next few years. Oh, he was awesome. Mars for you when you came like a, you're a seventh rounder, right? Like, doesn't even exist anymore. Like, was there, did you believe in yourself to even make that team? Like going into that camp or did you have an idea that you could maybe even make the team? Well, when I got drafted, I'm like, my name's on the list. They got to look at me. That's kind of the way I looked at it. I was like, God, now it's up to me. So the first camp I went in those days, he used to do, you know, if you guys are too young, but in those days, it was like, we'd do like aerobic in the morning and then practice and a scrimmage or two scrimmages. There were three teams. So the first day, I think I got like three goals in two games. I'm like, I'm gonna make the team. I didn't know where I'm like, I'm gonna make this team. Next day, I got a couple goals, a couple of sets. I'm like, I'm making a team. So the third day, they cut me no preseason, nothing. I'm like, what happened? I didn't know, you know, like everything is made up before. So so it was Pacquem was my coach, the coach and Rogi. So they're sitting in a room, they go, you had a really good camp, look at you on the kind of to be your story. And Pat Quinn says, I'd like you to improve your skating. And he says, I'd like you to be, you know, back, you got a cigar, I don't think it was lit up then, but it's like, I'd like you to be a little tougher. Okay. So I go back to junior and we had a couple tough guy, I go, you guys got to teach me, you know, I got to fight, you know, they they're asking me so we had a guy his name is Mario Wallette. And I think Sergio Robert remember him like, I remember the name still there. So no way they they go, listen, look, here's what we'll do a favor. He goes, just just grab the arm, squeeze a jersey, swing a little and hug the guy, make it look good. He goes, well, we're all going to jump on the bench. I'm all right. He probably did that like seven, eight times in junior and it looked all right. You know, I just like picked my spots and I always loved it. So the next year I come to camp in LA in Victoria, I get on it and for some reason I was playing with Bernie Nichols and Bernie was like, just kept feeding me. So I one time a couple, I got two goals and I'm coming I'm like, and then and then I'm thinking, they asked me to be tougher. I got to show them I'm tougher. There's no one standing except the scouts. I'm like, so this guy hits me and you know, in hockey, you know, when the guy's a little late, it's not right. So this guy hits me a little late and he's bigger than me. And so I slash him and I look at him and I go, fuck you, fuck you. And he and he looks at me and he goes, no kid, and he skates away. Now I'm like, I'm more embarrassed because I'm like, this fucking total embarrassment. But I'm thinking I might as well pick the biggest guy. If I lose, they'll say he's got guts and if I win, I'm going to shock him. So couple shift later, I keep watching me. I think he was a right handed player and he hits me not not as late, but this time I swung my stick as hard as I could at him. He turns around. So I drop my gloves and I do exactly what I did. Junior mistake number one, probably didn't do that. As I reach forward to grab him. And and just as I grab his home, it was he was a lefty bang bang, cut me here, cut me here. And I remember I heard Bernie jump go, stop, you're going to kill him. That's all I remember. And I'm on the eyes of trainer come they drag me blood history. His name was Dan Brennan. He was a tough guy in the minors. I don't think he's ever played in the NHL beat up the wrong guy. Pat Quinn's like, yeah, so then the next day, I go in the room, they're going to cut me again. And I go in the room, not even a preseason game, nothing. And I come in the room, my eyes, it was 25 was 13 and 12. And it's like, he got me really good. I come in and and they're opening the book, they go to my page and roug it. We just want you to keep improving your skating. Dave Taylor said, I taught him a lesson. And then Dan, and then Dave Taylor said, Dan Brennan retired after that. He was scared to hurt more guys. So good. You were told about the skating so often you had to be like, I'm producing though, right? Like, yeah, I think bringing it up, but I didn't look at it. I just kept trying to improve. That's awesome. I remember being at camp even in LA. And you know, in those days, it was all the guys and you know, you go blue line to blue line to all the way the end and back. And when everybody would kind of slow down the block, I would fucking sprint to the end. So you did good in those finish first. Like I didn't give it. I was like, I'm making this team. You know, I didn't care. I kept trying to finish first all the time. You mentioned about how it was, Dion who said, just go to the net. I'll find it. Right? Were you always a good net front guy? Like, were you able to take the punishment there? No. So I'll tell you how I ended up being a front. So my first year in the NHL because in junior, I love grats. So I was a playmaker. Like even though I scored goals, it's the Quebec thing. Everybody scored goals. No, but he rolled my my center got 90. I got like 130 assists. Like because I played with him. I kept feeding him. So I was a past first guy. And then when I got to the NHL, even though Marcel told me to go to the net, I said, okay. And but he was right handed. And then Jimmy Carson was right. So I really played the half wall on the PP my first and second year. Then grats comes. So they say, okay, grats is on the first power play. So so I would take grats on a change. Oh, no. Well, the score is the bet is 200 points a year. The odds are he's scoring every power play first. And if he's not scoring a partly staying two minutes, when Gretzky should, you know, so I basically would jump the last 20 seconds or whatever. So later, I think it was the next year because Tom Webster was our coach, maybe the first eight, 10 games I didn't have. Maybe I had a couple goals. So Rogi Vashon calls me in his office because I was still the youngest guy because we had John Tennelli, Larry Robinson. When we got grats, we kept trying to get guys to to help us win. So Rogi goes, he goes, you know, I know you're having a tough time, but you're young. He's trying to give me a pet dog. Just keep working hard. Go to net. You'll be okay. And he he goes, I get it. You're not playing on a power play. He goes, it's kind of hard. You're taking grats. He goes, I wish you were from the net guy. You see, you know, and I look at him and I fucking lied like everything. I go, I go, I could play the front and he goes, you can you go. I go, yeah, I go, I played junior my whole career to front and net. He goes, you did. I go, yeah. My whole career. He goes, okay, I get I get on the ice like for practice like an hour later and Tom Webster skates by, he goes, you played the front and then junior I go, yeah. He goes, all right, we'll put you in front and I fucking rest of my career. But I just want to get on the ice with grads. You make it. Really? I'm like, the practice suck in front of the net, but in the game, it was awesome. That's, that's literally, I swear to God, that's how I ended up for my career. You should have been your own angel. There's no video of junior. I didn't go check it out. Just on the spot when you were on the spot. I'm like, I gotta go on that bar. So he's not tipping anything. Did you start working on your tips up in practice? But I didn't know when I was bored as a kid, I would play tennis with a hockey stick against a wall, you know, so I would just try to hit a hundred times. So I was pretty good at tipping, but I would, I started like I put guys at the blue line, just shoot and just, I would never try to tip him in front of it. I would try to stop him in practice because I figured if I could stop in practice, I'm going to somehow hit it. So, but I, it was every day I had to work at it. And back then I feel like the D men, they would legit keep their shots along the ice most of the time. No, more so than now. Or am I crazy? Yeah, but, but what made it easy is the deep played behind us. Like the D would cross check to you. Yeah. Now they're behind. Now they front you like a program. Mechanics were the first two that started playing in front. They would start blocking. That changed everything. In those days they were blind. So if you time that right, you're always able to get some room in front. If you tip that you took the cross check after right away, but if I timed that right, I was able to get there, tip it, then take the beating. Unreal. What was the excitement level like when Gretz came? Like it was so crazy and the interviewing Wayne about it. It's really cool to hear how it went down, but for you and the guys here, it's like, Oh my God, like we couldn't in Gretz does. I don't think Gretz knows that, but in February of that year, like Gretz won the cup in Edmonton. February that year, Bruce, we know we had the all-star game in St. Louis and I was coming back and my dad was on the plane and he said, I think I got a chance to get in Gretz ski and we're like, just like, we're going to LA and we're looking at things and then right around that time, he was going to change the King's colors and it was going to be, if you look at this jersey and it's in black, everything was the same, but it was dark blue. Bruce McNall's color of his company was a very dark blue. I'm trying to see like really cool, like really dark though, but all the same. So I look at it and I'm like, Oh, that's really cool. And he's like, wait, and it was, I think, I know I'm not sure it was that logo. I think it was just a crown. And I said, Oh, that's really cool, Mr. McNall. But I said, you should see my junior team. I said, we had the same, but it was black. And I said, that was Gretzki changing because he liked the Raiders. I just said that in like January, not thinking anything. Cause you knew and then when I went the All Star game, they saw, somehow there was a film of a junior and Bruce saw it, but he was trying to get Gretz. I don't think Gretz knows that, but I think Bruce was like, if Gretzki designed those Jersey in junior, it's the same Jersey we had in junior, different logo, that one year only, like that one year, like before that, we were another color. Right. He's like, why the hell you want the house? So he says, he said, we're going to get Gretzki. I'm like, yeah, sure. And then July comes in and he had said to me and Jimmy Carson, I think he had not do, but I think he had told Jimmy and myself, we're never trading you. You know, like we were really young though, but you would have to ask Jimmy a hundred percent. But I remember, I think at some point, Jimmy went to Bruce when he, when it was, there was a buzz internally for us that Gretz had a chance. And I think Jimmy went to, to Bruce and said, if Wayne comes, maybe I should get traded because really, well, we had Bernie too. So he would have been a third line center. I think Jimmy, Jimmy Carson was really smart, cerebral smart, you know, he was, he was investing in stock at 18. I was like, what is that computer? And, you know, you knew about Microsoft. I'm like, what is that? You know, so, and I think Jimmy said it might be better for his career to be moved at the time. You know, so, so then when, I mean, it was, when we got Gretz, it was freaking out. The crowd immediately. Super stuff. Right away. Everything. It was, but, but McNall was so good at promoting, like he made sure there was celebrities and I think they had dinner before the game. Then Bruce would take him in our room before warm up or many times between warm up in the game. Because if he knew the celebrity weren't staying after he'd take him before. And then if they were there, there was always someone after the game. So I mean, it was a hero. It was even before though, you guys were like before all the time. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah. He would bring him in. Yeah. It was awesome. Like I remember he brought Stallone and he's like, I brought Rocky to pump you up and he's high fiving everyone. That's pretty sick. Because he leaves the room. We're all like, he's really small, you know, you're a dumb Canadian. That's all you. Wasn't there a club in that arena that there was a farm club? So Bruce had a, had an area like he had dinner with everyone. And but we, everybody was coming. It was on the end of just like that. Hey, like before it wasn't really like that even. No, there were a couple of people that were celeb like that. I think Glenn fried the Eagles were hockey fan. They knew Marcel a few, but when it was grass, it was we were like the Lakers. Wow. Like the Lakers were starting to slide a little bit. Like they weren't doing as good. I can't remember it was. And all these people like the Lakers. We were like the greatest hockey player to ever live. Yeah. It was like, and then Bruce had like Rose on the, on the glass and Ronald Reagan was coming. I mean, we, he had everyone come in. It was all about grass. And then we, we would do tour. So the first year we go, we go back to Victor and Gretz is like, what are we doing here? Let's go to Vegas. So then we, we ended up going to, uh, we went to hall to have training camp one year. And then we would do a tour. So they would, they would try to schedule the Rangers or Pittsburgh with Mario and we would play Tampa Bay, Florida. We played like Cincinnati, other like Houston, Dallas, we would do. So we would play like seven or eight games on the road. Sell them all out. It was all to, it was sellouts. It was always supposed to be Mary and Wayne. They never really played against each other in preseason, but it was, and then funny enough, all these new franchise came out of it. So I always say Wayne had everything to do with those. Probably would have happened, but it happened so fast after Wayne, like Anaheim, San Jose, Dallas, Phoenix, Miami. We played all those arenas like with Wayne. When they didn't have team. There was no one who played, you know, the baseball stadium. That was the biggest crowd at the time for a preseason game though. We go to Miami against the Rangers. They told her, we took Kelly Rudy off the net because the, the ice was melting the gold crease. So they told the, I can't remember who our second going to say, you got to play outside the crease in the third. And then Bruce comes in, we're just going to do a continuous time. So they, they kept the clock going and Gretz did blend the third. Yeah. Yeah. We don't want to fire the pony. That's for sure. We couldn't believe looking at things on the way down that I would have thought it was like the second year Gretz was in LA was the run to the final, but it was his fifth year. So like there was times where I'm sure you guys are like, Wayne's coming. We're going to win a cup and then one year, two years, three years, some frustration probably grew. I think it was, it was probably slowly building in the right direction. When we got grass, like, like, like Gretz due to what it took to win, he had won four by the time. So he made sure you got like Mike Kruszylniewski and he got Marty. Yeah. You know, and, and Charlie Hutty, we signed Charlie Hutty to from, from the, so right away we were, and then we signed Larry Robinson, John Tinelli, Steve Casper from the Bruins. So we were a good team, but I think we were probably missing something. So the first year we were down three, one against the Oilers and came back and beat them in game seven. And then I think the next year, I can't remember, we beat maybe Vancouver, then we lost against the Oilers in sixth game, but Gretz was hurt. I think he got a shot on his ears. And then the, the Oilers won the cup that year. Right. Then the third year, or I think the second year, my first year, Gretz was, Calgary was really good. They won the cup, you know, or they had just won the cup or whatever. Right. All around that time. I can't remember who we lost. We might have lost against the Oilers again the third year. And wow, it feels like this organization here has a lot to bring up the last four years. No, I know. Thanks. But, but you're right. And in the year we went to the finals, there was, we thought Gretz might never play again. He got hurt. I think first day of camp, I mean, you guys got to ask Gretz when you see him because this is the year we had camp in Lake Arrowhead and Gretz was working out with Janet. And he was, and he comes to camp in this first year he says he's in shape because he, these guys always showed up to camp to get in shape. She said, I worked out all summer and and then in those days we used to do a push-up test and it was like as many push-up with your thing. And I think they would stop you at 50 or 75. So I think Gretz did like 20 and he was like, that's sad. He used to do like two. Right. And then the setup test was like, he did stop you at 75 and I think Gretz did 50 or so. He did a lot and he comes, that's it. I'm in shape. The next day blue is back. And I remember him saying, that's the last time I'm working out. And then a helicopter came and because it was in the mountain and then we heard like, he might never play again. Apparently it was back. He didn't play till January. He didn't come back till January. Wow. That year that you lost to Montreal. That was that year. Yeah. So that year Barry Meadows was a coach and and and what people that knows, we had Alex Zittnick as an 18 year old, Daryl Sidor and Rob Blake as a 21-22. And those three young kids were unbelievable and Dean Kelly Rudin and we had Charlie Hutt, Ian Mark Hardy. We had a good D and Marty obviously and and we did, we came out of the game really good and then kind of went down and Gretz came back and you know, you get one key on a good team. Yeah. We had a lot of speed, but but it's amazing. Like we thought he might not come back. We were told that. They weren't sure. Unreal. And then I think he had like 45 points in the playoffs. That's ridiculous. On half a back. So like what ended up happening towards the end of your first time here? Like you ended up going over to Pittsburgh and you were there for one year. Unfortunately, you don't get to play with Mario because he's out right at the time. So like what happened? Was it a trade? Was it an offseason signing? Like I broke my ankle the year before. I think it January, I think it January favorite. I hit the wall and my foot turned this way. But there were no X-rays or anything. So I think you're okay. And they froze it a little bit. And like, you know, the docs that keep your foot. I kind of nuts. I kept my foot. I so there was no swelling. So I missed a couple games and then they shot it. We taped it and I jump it. I jump on the ice on the band. Like, Oh, shit, that hurts. But I got to the slot. I get a pass and I one time they goes in. So then everything's good that the coach thinks you're great. Everything's okay. And kept playing. It kept getting worse and worse. And but we kept shooting it and then it healed wrong. And then I found out in the summer was it was cracked. So I got better. But it didn't get better of surgery. And then I got traded to Pittsburgh. And then it was a lockout, though. You know what? I screwed up though. It's like Mary was smart. He didn't do training camp. So he got paid. I did camp and I had a bad ankle. And then I was dumb. I should have just said no. Because if you that that was yeah, it was a few guys that were like, I'm heard. And I was like, years I was really dumb. I want to say a couple games. Wait, if you didn't do a camp, yeah, because for instance, we did the full camp. Marion Hossa got hurt from that hit from Rafi Torres. And I believe that he was still like in concussion protocol when that quote unquote season would have started the following year when the lockout was. So you're still collecting your full salary. Yes. That was a huge advantage to guys who had off season surgery. The big boy, the big boy wasn't playing. He wasn't paid. Yeah. And I'm sure if you're he was an owner, he probably wasn't an owner then later, because they owed him. So what was like, what was your time like there? You got to play with Yager that much? I was a but we didn't play till January when we came in. It was like 48 games in like 90 days. And that's really Yag's first year where he was the guy. That's his first, like he was really good. They had won the cup, but he was the kid that year. It was like, it was a lot of money. Ronnie Francis was on the team. Kevin Stevens got hurt. It was a really good team. We had Tommy Barasso. That was he was crazy. I heard it wasn't he a silly guy. I heard he was crazy. I think he got mean sometimes. He was really mean. But but I didn't know he was all he was all right with me. But he got hurt. We had Ken Reagan and net was just the greatest guy. And then Tommy comes back and I had heard stories like so you couldn't raise the puck and practice and not anything. And so we never practiced. So he was going to do the morning skates and and the warm up. Okay. So we get in the morning skates and one guy hit him here and he just skated off the ice. This was his first practice. I'm like, Oh, what's going on here? And then we get in a warm up in the game. You know, the second goal everybody tries top shelf. You fucking Ken Reagan is our goal. He moved in when we had a good team. Guys are trying Ken Reagan top shelf and then Tommy gets in that as the second goal. And I everybody's literally shooting on the ice. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. No, let me feel back at Tommy. I think he then he got hurt again. Can you get was our goalie but it was funny. Like it was funny to be honest to you. That was a whole different thing. So he was in the locker room. Like he would snap like there was some no he was he just didn't say anything. Guys were scared of this and talked to him. The only guy that would kind of was on him is all Samuelson. Oh, Samuelson was not in care. Alfie would be all over him, play cards with him and rip him. He didn't care. But like was Barasso a tough guy? Was he tough? No, how would he just how would he just intimidate you by being an asshole? Golly. Yeah, he was just playing your stick. Yeah, he was just a swinger stick and it was just like, there was a lot of non-negotiable. They had won the cup so he could do anything he wants or he wanted to. So he just did it. Like we go there and they were still in the Mary era where no helmet in the morning skates and no shoulder pads. I was playing with Mario with Yags and Ron Francis. And then we go, okay, three on one, you know, you go three on three on one and three on two. And I remember we'd be going on the three on one. If the the gold and go in, Yags would stay and still play some run. And I would go three on two on one. And then we turn around the three on three and Yags would come back and run. Ron would give him a long pad going to break with a bit of a drill. And he'd have a sock on his head. It's just like Eddie Johnson was our coach. Oh, it was awesome. Because I played with Yags later on, but they'd be a drill going down one end and he would just be doing his own thing. His line mates would be looking for him. He'd be like, yeah, no, somebody else jumped in. He beat to his own. He worked hard though. He'd stay and do three on three after practice for an hour. He didn't care. He'd do weights on his legs all the time, but it was interesting. It was so fun. But it was the Mary. We all, I don't, you guys weren't playing that, but we would go every day that went to Pittsburgh, we'd wash their morse. Whoa, this is so cool. Mary would come in 10 minutes late, take a couple of one time. Everybody was so relaxed. Then you go and lose seven sex. It was awesome. They didn't turn it on. They were always just a different team. Bizz, weren't you at training camp with them? And like the coach was like, all right, we're bag skating. Mario was like, no, I think Eddie old Chuck, it was his first year. He was coach and they'd played together and, you know, and, and I was in his group and I remember he was like, Hey, you know, great day. You had the scrimmage. You did the practice. We're going to do a skate. And he was just like, not good. I was like, big, big more. The coach were not skating after a great day. We're out of this game. This is fucking ridiculous. But like, I was so young and naive. Like I just like didn't even know how big of a deal that was. Like he was just, I was so nervous. I came around the net one drill. I passed to him and I must have missed his tape. My 15 feet start to drill over on my go. That was my, and then I asked him to go to lunch. He's like, what the fuck is he talking right now? Yeah, no, I was a bit of a donkey or a lot of a donkey. But so that was short lived. You were only there for that one year. And then it was off to New York for two. So like, I mean, you played in some fucking awesome spots. What was that like? For me, going to New York was great. It was because the lockout, like Howard Baldwin, there's like Tom Rich, I had the same agent as Mario. So they knew there was financial trouble. And Howard Baldwin was really cool. Like I had an arbitration case. In those days, we all had an option year. So when the after the lockout, you had the choice as a player to not take the option option year and just end your contract or take it. And because I had eight years in a row with 40 goals, I had the best arbitration case. So Bob Gooden, I was like, you know, he didn't tell me, but with my agency, you should take the arbitration case. So we file for arbitration. And then Pittsburgh, Mary was coming back. So now I think the insurance was in kicking in. So it was kind of a bit of money thing. So Howard was great. Like he was going to trade me to the right to a good team. I remember that he told me that it was the Rangers. He promised that I'm not going to send you. The team, the three teams I had heard from there was Anaheim, Chicago and Rangers. And ended up being the Ranger, which I love New York. So it was you signed a two year deal there. No. So then I was a, so I filed for arbitration. So I was going without a contract that summer. And I think I was 29. I was going to become a free agent. I was at 31 or 32. So they kept trying to sign me for four years. And so we said, no, we'll just sign for two, you know, and then they, that was the battle. It wasn't. So then the last one said, well, fuck it. We just, we asked for six. And they said, well, and those, no one signed for six years. So I got a six year deal with the Rangers. Wow. And then after two years, I didn't understand. You know, when no one talks to you, I didn't understand my role with the team. Colin Campbell was a coach and we got Gretz the next year, but I still never knew how to play. I was like, I don't want to be on the first line, but can I play more than me? Let's say I was playing 13, 14 minutes. Can I get to 16 and let's say in LA before that was 18, 19 as a winger. So I was never going to play. So actually, Neil Smith sat down with me. And I remember telling me, I said, Neil, I love it. I love Lee Chi mess. They were great. I said, I just need to play a little bit more. I said, I'm not asking for a lot, just a little bit more because we had Gravy, one of the best teammates ever, you know, and, and he came, he called me back in the summer, he goes, listen, he says, I talked to Cole, he's not going to play you more. So, so this day I ripped Cole Campbell, by the way. But so anyway, he came to me goes, but I know LA wants you back. He goes, I think I could make a trade there. And Kevin Steven was there. We were two wingers, kind of the same stat score. So it was a one for one. And so that's how I got back to LA. No, sure. Wow. So you, and once he told you that, you're like, Oh, I'll go back there. Yeah, I was okay with that. I wouldn't have had a choice, but I, but I, it was respectful that we did that. Like so, so people, I felt they treated me good. Coming out of Pittsburgh, same thing coming out of New York. So you finished, finished that deal in LA six years. Like, is it rude to ask you at that time? Was it like a, like a revolutionary deal, not only in turn, but like all the guys were dying in the Rangers, they were a Nick Kiprios was dying. He was six years, because in those days, it was all two, three or four year deal was very long in those days. And, and like, what was the AAV back? It was, it was, uh, it was three, two. That was a lot. Over 18 million or not. Yeah. 18, whatever. That must have been one of the biggest contracts that the league had ever seen then. Total dollars. Like Gretz had died, like Gretz had died. They got big deal. Like, you know, outside of big deal. Signed a six year deal of three point no one, no one signed for it for it. But, but guys were starting to sign for big money, you know, and though, like, you know, that three, four million like Holly was at four, I think in those days and guys were, it was starting to come on. So good for you though. Like you came up at a time where like, if you were 10 years prior, like you, they were different. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of making peanuts. So you finally got, that must have been all that's and then by the end of that, I was the same. You know, I, you go back to when a guy was making 300 grand in the 70, most people were making 50, you know? So there's a difference though. He got higher between normal people and, but it's the same today. There's guys that are bitter and I'm like, well, don't be bitter. Like we were lucky. We were treated good. But today's guys, it's you pay the way. It's another level. I could tell you that. I tell some of our kids, I go, you know, if you just hit the net all the time, you become a 30 gold score and said 20, you're going to make a hundred million. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred million dollars. You know, I mean, it's ridiculous. Think about that. I'm like, you know, if you just hit the net, you get the 30 and you do that to three, you'll make a hundred million. I never really thought of them that way. Oh, I just got it. It's happy getting 20. So then that deal finally expires and then like was Detroit on your list of teams to go to? No, I thought I was resigning in LA and I didn't know then, now that I'm on the other side and I get the business, they had internal budgets and I thought I was signing in LA and I ended up not signing. I got an offer the day before and, you know, I was 34, 33 at the time or 34 maybe. But I led the team in scoring and we'd beaten Detroit in the playoffs. So I thought I was going to sign a two or three year deal and let's say I was at three to I thought I was going to get four, you know, like a two or three year deal and Dave Taylor was our gym and I think he told me they'd offered me a little bit of a pay cut and all in a one year deal. So my pride and my ego, you know, I was like, fuck that. Like, you know, I think I should, I wasn't asking for a lot. But so that was the day before free agency. So then I was like, okay, Dave, it was more I thought they didn't want me, but I didn't know there's budget. You got to be accountable for someone. So I remember I said, I'm gone. And then I talked to Dave and I told him, I go, Dave, this matter at this point, if you don't know what I'm worth, I'm gone. You're insulted a little bit. Yeah, you know. But so the next day, I remember like my kids were enrolled at school, they were getting older. So I started talking to Pat Bresson, my agent, and I think Tom Rich was still alive in those days. Yeah. And I was looking to not live too far. So San Jose was coming up and I thought I had a chance there. And then Dallas was pretty good. And then but they signed Adam Graves in San Jose. And then Pierre Turgeon, I think Donald Odette, or someone else signed in Dallas. So then that day, Dominic Hassett got traded to Detroit. And I'm kind of on the phone. And I was at my father-in-law and my wife says to me, she goes, she goes, why are you looking to say I go, well, because it's close. If you we thought the first year she wasn't going to come with me. So I said, it's close. It'll be easier for you. So she said, well, who do you think is going to have the best team next year? So I said to her without thinking, I go, Detroit, she'll boy, you guys just be I go, yeah, but they got Dominic Hassett now, they'll have the best team. She goes, well, why don't you try to go to Detroit? That literally, and I go, really? But as far as she goes, it doesn't matter if four hours or an hour or two hours is the same. So we call pack call Detroit and I think they were trying to get Salani or someone else. And within an hour, I was there. No, that's a crazy story. It was a two-year deal. Yeah. I was there and then Holly went like maybe a month later because I was looking at your career, right? Like I would have guessed it was all right. Like I've I came to Pittsburgh after they won. I came to New York after they won. I won a cup, but you you were more like, hey, I was willing to stay in LA and it's your wife who said, hey, they're gonna be good. I thought we were really good. When we'd be Detroit, we had Stumpo Center. And I remember I met with our president, Tim, like, he said, what do you think we did? I said, we need one more center. And JR was up that year. And I thought we were going to go get JR. I didn't know we were going to cut the budget. Beyond. We had Adam Denmark. We had Poffy. You know, we had the cat pod van in net. Like he was a great goalie butterfly. But we were really good on D with Manny Nordstrom. Like we traded Blakey. But it was a tough trade for all of us because he was our leader. But you get what's his name Miller from Colorado? Kevin Miller. Kevin Miller. He's like, no, not Kip Miller. No, the defenseman, he was really good. He's going to be mad at me. Ozilunch? No, it was Miller. It was a defenseman, right handed defenseman. Like a stay at home defense and an Adam Denmark. And we got a first pick for Rob Blake. So you get Denmark's and really good for defenseman. You're never replacing Rob. No, you had to diversify a little bit. Tough trade. So so I thought we were really good. Harry Miller. Sorry, Aaron. But I was and I thought if we could get a second line center, we had Ian Leperier and our team was lap. He was tough, understood his role. We're a lot of good role players. Don't feel bad. I called the Nick Luke today. We did one of our guys here. Sometimes my brain just makes out making a money being crazy. That was the year hashiq had if they won the cup, you had a million dollar bonus. And I remember this. Everyone's like, this is insane. You guys, you guys wanted it was discussed like a million bucks. We were joking last year up to a few years ago. That team salary was like 85 million. That was the cap two years ago. There were teams at 20. So they had no problem paying either. So you got your number and your two years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Steven, Shani at some point can call them the they deferred some money to help the budget. Yeah. I think Shani, Stevie, I think these guys did. I think I remember hearing I met you that year in the cup finals because we had the draft prospects come to the game. And the thing I remember most was Iserman, he could not pregame skate. He was limping. We he was getting treatment when we got to meet him. And then like guys were saying like it's the guys from the NHL or bring us on like it's insane. He's playing. He didn't practice from the Olympics on. And then he would they would freeze him and he would get in a warm up. It was funny because he was all taped up and he could barely move around. And then when the tape loosened up and the way they froze at me, but it would only kick in that game time. So in the warm up, guys on the other team would be looking like if he go to stretch, he couldn't get up. He'd have to put his stick down and then try to get out because he was taped up. So it was like he's skating like Robotye. What the hell's going on? I was blowing by him. I wasn't even closing the warm up. So he did this for a half season basically. Yeah. From the Olympics on, it was Steve was unbelievable. Yeah. Just to see that in the walk room, guys must have been like, we've got to win this for fucking cap and doing that. Yeah. He was awesome though. He like mass great lay obviously grass and Stevie was was he didn't speak a lot. He did one for me that I remember he did one to I think it was only two speeches. So you guys are gonna like it. So I got to tell you a couple Scotty Bowman store. Oh, I mean LA were like Scotty Bowman. I'm from Montreal. My dad loves Scotty Bowman. So so I get I get to to Detroit and I'm like Scotty Bowman. So he sees me in the hallway goes, Hey, look, hey, look, hey, look, you like it? You like it here? You like to play golf? You like to play golf? I'm like, that's really weird. That's how Scotty talks off the ice. You know, he's like, you like I go, I go, yeah, he goes, I just have good good tracks. You got to go with camp in Traverse City. So that's it. Never says another word. He never comes on the ice the first week of camp. At one point he comes by the board and he goes he used to abuse Barry Smith. And he goes, Barry, Barry, come here and we would only do the veterans on the ice. And he goes, I don't want to see anybody get hurt here. He goes, if you're doing he's yelling at the coach word there. If I see anybody get hurt, it's your fault. You're out of here to Barry Smith. So he said, no stopping. So every skating drill we weren't allowed to stop at camp. We're all laughing and Holly's just dying. Just laughing, you know, like we had Chelly and these guys and we're just ripping Barry Smith. We're not stopping anywhere. It's awesome. But, but, but I do recall him saying, because we're going to play till June. So right away, he said that in September. So I'm like, oh, that's his message. You know, so then we start the year and he says, he doesn't explain it, but we read in the paper that we're going to do a new system. They used to play the left wing lock Detroit. Everybody knew that, but they were really, really good at it. So it was going to be like a V and we're all joking. It's going to be the mighty ducks like a flying V and, but no one can understand it because it's, it was like a one, two, two in the offensive zone, but we, we can't figure it out. So as the game would go and the puck would, when it ended up on, on our right side and the left side, we were supposed to do a V and cut the ice, but fucking would end up on the left side and there'd be a breakaway. So we give up two, three breakaways a game, but we had Dominic Hasak. So he'd stop him and we, we'd win a few and lose a few. And next thing you know, I think Holly and Stevie and some of the run, they said, listen, we can't keep, we don't even know what we're doing. And they were like, we're not a pressure. They kept wanting us to chip it in. And Holly like, we're not going to chip it in. He goes, here's Wild Wilder. Let's play that trap like in Dallas. He goes, we'll just get the puck. We'll never give it back. That's how he did it. So Stevie and Barry Smith and I don't know how they did it, but somehow they came in one day and said, okay, we're going to play the trap. When we get the puck, we're just not going to give it back. That was our system basically. So we go to Edmonton and it's one of those Eastern, Western trip. So we go to Edmonton and we're there, there are lists that we're practicing and Scott, he's down in the eyes and the guys are like, look at Scottie. I'm a look up. He's got the newspaper. He's not watching. They're like, he hates the trap. He hates, it's not his idea. So he hates the trap. So, so, so we're practicing. They're all laughing and we're doing the trap and he go, he hates the fuck. So then we win, let's say for one next day, we're in Calgary, we're practicing the game is after not on the ice. Got the newspapers not looking. So we went like five in the row and then he comes on the ice, you know, because now the trap works. But guys, that's how we started with the trap. He didn't want to be associated with the trap. He hated the trap because it was like every team did it, you know, but they worked. So the guys came up with that in the locker room. It was the guys there. Maybe with Barry Smith, Dave Lewis, but I don't know how it happened, but we started playing the term. We're like, what's going to give it to Nick? Nick Lesstrom, you'll find out. You'll find out. No shit. No shit. That's like, that was Datsooke was like for fine, right? Datsooke was our fourth line player and we were like, holy shit. He's got, oh my God, it wasn't even close. We never seen, he would do shit on the ice. We never seen. I remember he's a rookie. Maybe that's his fifth game. The puck is that for some reason, the puck is at the red line at center ice, but it's standing up and the D's come in to just poke it and the kid's standing still. He chops it and the guy stick goes over, he fucking flips it down and goes three on two and Holly goes, I want to play with this guy. The magic man. At one point, they put a line, Stevie, Holly and me. So we were all had 600 goals. Everybody's laughing. So we go on the run. We win eight in a row. I get eight goals in a row, but Holly's only got a couple goals. He's got a bunch of assists because I keep picking up his rebounds and Stevie, like, we just get so like game seven, Holly gets on a man goes, fucking Stevie can't pass the puck. Everything is like this. And he's telling me that. Then he looks at me, go, why the fuck am I telling you that for? You never even thought of passing the puck. And I'm like, I think the lunch pretty good. He hated a set. He was great. Oh my God. What a team that must defend. He was the, he kind of reminds you of Phil Kessel from the stories you hear about him, like the perfect guy where maybe not the leader, but just crack the jokes, get the job done. He was so easy. Yeah. Yeah. He was gonna score. So anyway, so, so Stevie's story was we're opening night in San Jose. We haven't seen Scotty and we go to San Jose and the year before Detroit lost a bunch of leads. We beat them and applauded. They lost leads that we were up. They were up three nothing. We so we're up three nothing against San Jose and San Jose. They were not really good. And we, we tied it. No, we're up. They tied in the third. So now it's the buzzer and we're going to overtime and Scotty goes, Hey, Stevie, bring, bring everybody here. I'm like, Oh, this is it. This is the first speech from Scotty Bowman. And Scotty goes, Stevie, we're gonna miss the fucking curfew. We're gonna miss the fucking members. What are you guys doing? We're gonna miss the fucking curfew. Barry, Barry, what I'm gonna make the curfew. We're just after 9 11 to we got all the security. This is the way all the security, we're not gonna make a curfew. Then we go, we go, we're going overtime. We win for three. So now we tap and we go in the room and and guys are getting undressed. We kind of know we have to hurry and and Stevie goes, Hey guys, stop a second. And so we all stop. He goes, Listen, this is all we lost last year. We can't blow leads anymore from now on. If we're up, it's over. If we're up in the third, we got to fucking all dig in. It's or and all you can hear in the hallways, San Jose, you know, they were like, you can hear a meeting, a fucking meeting, a fucking meeting. We're gonna miss the curfew. And Steve go, he just won an honor. He wouldn't. He wouldn't face Stevie though. He's like, I'm the other, but he's yelling. So we and we're all laughing while Stevie is trying to talk to us. So you guys coached that team? Yeah, he did though. Scotty's the best coach bench coach I've ever, ever. Yeah, dive into that. Because we've had guys talk about it before. He just like knew who to how to manipulate whatever they were doing or like he didn't talk to guys. He only talked to dad. So we didn't speak English that year. So it was the funniest thing because he on purpose you'd be coming off the ice and after practice, he'd be so you like it here. We'd all laugh. We'd walk by and guys like talking to one guy doesn't speak English. You know, he wouldn't talk to anybody. It was awesome. That seems like why what is going on right now, but it was kind of funny. And Stevie's saying he's talked to my kids more than me. He had been there for 15 years or whatever. Licky, all the guys had these stories, but he he just knew how to give you a role without talking. You know, some code will say that's your role. But with Scott, people will say, well, I was a great team. But he still he didn't do like like I'll give you I remember there was a game where where drapes Chris Draper that year he had 20 goals, but he was the grind line. It was you know, and he never put him on the power play. And you were going to say, well, you got all the great players, you know, so he had to figure out and but he made sure everybody got enough ice time to feel important on the team. And you all felt you had your role. But I do remember there was a game where up, let's say five, two, and drapes got two goals that were there's a commercial. Remember it was those days that commercial we're starting to like, so there's five minutes left, we have a power play. And he's on the ice. He's drinking. We're like, drapes, you got to go get your hat trick. And Scott, he's like, we're going like this. And then it's time to go back and we're like, Stevie, the guys, we want drapes to go get his hat trick. Scott, he goes, get the fuck off the you're on the PK. That's it. So it was like his message. Like, no, you never get on a power play. This team, it's Hall, it's Shannon, like those are my part. And he like basically, it's best to four or five to I'm not putting fucking robot on the PK, right? You know, it was kind of interesting to me because that was the first time I'd ever seen that it was like, okay, that's not your role. I'll never be your role for me to win the cup. Yeah. And poor drapes were not we're all laughing. It was like Rudy handing him the chair. We wanted him to get his hat trick, but never got it. Never went out there. That was awesome. Um, uh, like, what were you even intimidated by Iserman just because he was so stoic? Like, no, it's Stevie's funny. I don't know if you, you know, we don't know. He's got a great sense of humor. He's got great one liners. And so I sat next to him in the room. He's awesome. Once the game was over and you're on the bus and like you won that he was able to then like, well, even during the game, he would make fun of himself. He didn't speak loud in the room, but when he got up or he said something, it was, he was like, that was his team. It wasn't even close. He was the leader, but he's really funny. He was really, he's got, he's like most hockey players, but he's got a great little one liners. We'd love to get him on at some point. He's too serious now. Now is really serious though. Yeah. We try to joke. I got to listen to him. I try to listen up on TNT a little bit. Doesn't like that. No, no. We never really talked about like your relationship with mess when you played in New York. Like you, you're so good at describing these, these legends. Like he, he must have been a fun guy to be around. Always like to go out after games, right? And yeah, he's probably one of the best leaders. Like I use him like, you know, you think of corporation, something leader, like he what surprised me though, he was never mad. You know, like he was the most positive guy I've ever seen in a room. Like he was, he was awesome. Like, because I live in the city. So I would drive with him or Kevin Lohan. These guys were not, they just, they want to win everything. Like even in the car, they would race. Like they were nuts. And so, but, but mess, like he, he was the king of New York. I mean, he said we're going to win and he won. And, but I remember in the room, you either were part of mess's team or you were out. So if you didn't complain, you know, there's guys like wines on the bench or so. As long as you played hard, you were part of his team. But if you complain, you cheated the game or something, you, you didn't say it. You didn't do anything about it. But the way he treated people, you, you were like, this guy's not on the team. You could tell, you could tell next thing you know, it was traded or something. It was out. But you felt, if you worked hard, you were honest, you weren't mess's team. And it was, it was unreal. But he just was always positive. The only thing I was hard is he changed skates every period. So you couldn't get your skate sharpened. You ever hear the stories? Yeah, I heard he would change the rivets. He would change the blades on his skate. Like he really was the greatest skater in the game. So he would, he would take his skates off after warm up, and he would line them up and he would make a mark on the front and he'd go to training. He'd have to take the whole blade out, drill new holes and reset his blades. And he did that almost every game. And in those days, it was the only guy I'd ever seen I would wear a new pair every day, you know, right out of the box, right out of the box in 1999. This is like 9695. It was unbelievable. But he was so positive. Like in the room, you were, if you were in his group, you weren't as good like any, there was an aura about him, he just believe into winning. It was fucking, but then he was a little bit older then, but you kind of knew he was going to pay any price to win. I do remember a story where I was in the room and we're down, I think to nothing, we're playing really good. He goes, we got them boys, we got them boys. And he goes, I got one. And you're like, Oh, fuck, you just said I got one. You knew he was going to get a goal. He's Mark Messier. And then he fucking reached her where he goes, Lucky, you got one? You got one? I'm like, yeah, I got one. Crap in my pants. I got one there. Mark Messier, I knew he was going to get a goal. I was a fucking raised shot. Everything I could, I did that. I actually passed it from the corner. He hit a stick and went in. I'm like, I got one. No, I got the other one. I got one. Wait, where are you? I'm standing. I got fucking pressure. I'm like, Messier tells you I got one. You're like, he's getting one. I was never felt that much pressure in my life. I'll get a goal. I had yours too. I didn't even say it. I was like, never. Stoli was just telling me out there about your goal scoring. He's like, he didn't have the hardest shot. You would tell him, like, I just tried to get it off my stick as quick as possible and hit the net. That's all I did. I just shot as quick as I could. Everything. Most goals, you miss your shot or hit something. Because the guy that gave me a little bit of thought, he would line up 100 pucks in the corner and just, he wouldn't snap and he would just, they kept coming. You had no time to set and we'd practice. You had to aim. We'd split the net in half. That half or that half, but you can't miss the net or you had to do 10 push ups, 100 pucks. No way. That was hard. And just hit the net. We did that every day, but you split it in half, but you couldn't miss the net. So if you never miss the net, it's like, Brett says, you put yourself a chance, you know? Yeah, percentage. So then when I got in the NHL, every one timer was just as quick as I like, I never sat on my stick. I was just going to say, because the goalies are so good. If they see it, they're going to save it. Especially, yeah, they come from, but a lot of times you see a guy even, they kind of take it and just that time, the goalie is there. Yeah, it's maybe they want to have it on their stick a little longer, you know? Yeah. Take a look at me. Well, guys shoot different today with the sticks. Yeah. We kind of went back to talk about mess, but winning that Stanley Cup, like that run, like, I mean, what sticks out the most? Like the celebration? Like what was it? What was your? Did you have relief that you got a cup? Yeah. Yeah. What was cool is like, we knew we were the best team. So when it started, I started collecting shit right away from day one. I'd never done that in my career, but every round, every time I could get something, I would collect it. So I was hoping it was going, but then we were down to nothing against Vancouver in the first series. Clutier. That's right. That's right. And then people threw a Dominic Hasick jersey on the ice. And I remember we go, that was Stevie's second speech was we were down to nothing and Stevie was on the plane. No, I was in Vancouver. He said, Hey guys, you let's let's just calm down. He goes, we know what it takes to win. We're just going to go out there, play our game. We'll win tonight. And then we're going to move on. I think that's what he said. So then that, that's the game Clutier led. It was a, it was a one one game in the third, right? It was a second. Okay. And we made two one and we won two one that game. Oh, and then the next game, I think it was five, two or something. And then we won in four. The next series against St. Louis. It wasn't close. Then it was Colorado. That's one. No, those two teams. Did you guys go to game seven with them that year? Yeah. It was seven zero or seven one seven one or seven. Yeah. Well, I went to pick up that puck. I'll never forget. That was game seven six. I thought that was game seven. No, no, no. So, so we were down three, two and the game six was in Colorado. That's that's Stevie's third speech. He said, that's what he said before the game. We were stretching you and he goes, let's just take it easy. We're not here to to win. He says, we're just going to play tonight. We're going to win tonight. He goes, we're not going to celebrate. Well, win game seven. We're just going to move on and we'll go. We're here to win the cup. That's what he said. But I'm six, but he said in the calming way that you just knew he was right. And that's the game that in the morning skate. I think Bob Hartley asked for Dominic Hasak stick or you ask that sometime he asked for a Dominic Hasak stick and his blade was too thick. And, but you know, you kind of measure you didn't really know, but they knew he had given him a stick. So they shaved his blade to be legal and they called Dominic Hasak stick that game. But Dominic gave it for his kid. He said for his kid. So they try to act like, Hey, give me a stick. I really want one of your stick, but really they were trying to see it. That's fucking bullshit. So early. But you got a you guys got ahead of it. Yeah. So, so, but I remember Dom was like, Hey, fucking Bayes. He's so happy. He knows we got him. And we got a one thing asked for the check. Yeah. They say, you fucking see, almost threw it at them. He was so happy, but he fucking was pissed. That's fucking bullshit. If you guys are on that power play, I think so. It's not too long after that. Patrick went like this and the fuck went in and Sergei put it in. Yeah. And then I think we won three, two. And then game seven, we were up for one in the first. It was over or four nothing. Yeah. You think you guys won that one? I was I remember being so hyped for that game. Me too. At that time, I think that that the Lemieux situation with like all the KS, that Lemieux stuff was was over because it was nine. That was 96. But, but if you were to go back and watch that, that series, that's probably some of the best. That's what I mean. I think just because of the history of it, it was this like new school rivalry where it was a game seven between these two teams and it was such a dud. Yep. I remember the same thing. Well, it wasn't a dud. We played that year in Detroit against Colorado. We won four, one of four, two. And I remember seeing Blakey after and Blakey's laughing. We even touched the puck today. Like my right. We always had the puck. He was like, we couldn't believe it. We never touched the whole game. Crazy though, because even that team, one of the greatest teams ever, 10 Hall of Famer still down to 0 in the first round. Down three, two, West to Colorado. It's never easy. Yeah. It's never good that team. And then against Carolina, we knew we were the better team, but we still lost game one and we went triple OT in one game. That was the game. I was at Laryonov goal. Yeah. So you ended up your last year was the year after the lockout though. Yeah. So like, I feel like maybe a decent amount of guys your age, then they didn't come back for that next year. And you knew I'm not done yet. Yeah. It's kind of funny. When I, that, that year that we had the lockout, a couple of years prior, my back was bad. So my back got better. Yes. I'm not playing. You know, not playing. And I felt pretty good. I'm like, I think I could play one more year to be fun. You know, then I, I didn't know it. There was no plan. Yeah. And then I played that year and it was fun. You know, and it was kind of a good time. Not knowing I had no plan. Then towards the end of the year, you're like, you're starting to say I'm like, ah, and, and then I was joking because I was playing with George Peril's that he ended my career. I told George, you ended it. I drew, I, George goes, yeah, you knew your career was over once you were playing with me, but we had fun on the bench though. Yeah. Then as I got near the end, I, I, I started knowing like maybe January, I started thinking about it, but then it was funny because then everything was fun. You know, in the road, you know, when you're playing, you know, when you're a player, there's shit going on. You're not sure, but then everything was fun till the end of the year. You're appreciating everything. Cause you know, cause I'm like, oh, this is going to be it. I'm, I'll never get this. That was my question. So you knew the last game of the year that year, that was your last game. Yeah. And then the crowd got to know. Yeah. A week prior, I'm like, we weren't going to make the playoffs. I said, it'll be my last game. So because then I knew I would fly my parents and, you know, and everybody was around. So, yeah. Yeah. I have to say, this has been one of my favorite interviews of all. I believe this was like a hell of a story. We were such a funny storyteller, Luke. Let's do a rollback. Yeah. I was the rollback last question when you got the call for the hall of fame and you want to do the funny. Sorry. What funny what? Or the whole rollback thing. Sorry. I thought you were taking it over in sports. Winning takes more than talent. It takes strength, reliability and the drive to go to the distance sound familiar. That's the same DNA you'll find in a Chevy Silverado as capable and dependable as a winning team. Chevy Silverado shows up against the job done. It won't flinch when the pressure's on. It doesn't take plays off. When it comes to trucks, Chevy Silverado's football guy approved to learn more about Silverado. Visit Chevy.com. No, I was good. Yeah. I did a funny job with that. The hall of fame. Tell about the call. Who called you? Like, I think it's a who does the calls now? Lanny McDonald, I believe. Was that who it was for you? No, for me, I was working in the Kings and I wasn't sure how it works because they don't tell you. No one calls you and say, if you get a name, we'll call you. I didn't know. So I look at my phone and it said 416. I'm like, oh, and I picked up and it was cool because it was Pat Quinn. Now it's my original coach. Wow. So that was really good. You got your punch in the eye that time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He didn't ask me to get. But I was. So that was him. But the hall of fame was really cool. But for me, I think the greatest honor in my career. And I remember I called my dad is Pat Quinn called me back a few years later and asked me to be on the selection committee. Oh, wow. And I told my dad, I go, dad, I just want to play hockey. Now I get to pick who gets in the hall of fame. That's so cool. That's the greatest thing ever. You know, that was for some reason. Now it was like the coolest thing. Wow. Are you still doing that now? Yeah. Wow. So you guys get together once a year and you go over all the names and boom. Yeah. Is it a vote secret vote? Bobby Clark was on the committee the first time. My dad loved Bobby Clark. Bobby Clark. I sat right next to him. Hey, Bobby. Who we vote for? Bobby Clark just doesn't care. Oh yeah. I was totally beacon because I remember in your speech, you said, talking about the LA Kings, I can't wait to win a Stanley Cup with the Kings and I did it. What, two years later? Two years later. That must have been incredible. It was amazing. It's cool. When you win as a player, it's the trainers. It's your family. Obviously the player because you know it. It is like it's a it is really people. It's the hardest trophy. There's no doubt. You know, when you watch the playoffs, it's amazing. But one, when I won the other side, what I never realized is when your player like, if we win, they'll show up. They'll be there. You don't realize how much work and passions behind. So I got to appreciate that. And then the other thing that never thought or come to my mind is like, there's people that had been buying season tickets is like 1968, paying five grand and don't make a lot of money every year they're buying. So then when you see them and they're crying and you're like, oh, shit, they mean a lot to them. So that was cool to understand that part for me. It had been a long time here. Yeah. And they get another one two years later. Yeah. That was unreal. Incredible. Thank you so much. So many good career. You guys are great for our game. I love what you guys are doing. Like I do. Like, you know, sometimes I can't get away with some of the stuff you get away with. No one can. No one can. No one can. Charles Barkley. No. Hey, so we got Blakey coming up here. We're going to joke around. I remember when I signed here my last year with Ontario, like I was trying to negotiate. Like I said, no, I tried to negotiate like five more grand on my contract. So the shit that you guys put up with while I was here. Great. Did he give it to you? Yeah. He did. He was like, I went from 130 to 135. How about 10? He's like, never call me on a long weekend again, you asshole. I'm going to get my number. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Oh, could this vintage store be any cuter? Right. And the best part? They accept discover. Accept discover? In a little place like this? I don't think so, Jennifer. Oh, yeah. Discover's accepted where I like to shop. Come on, baby. Get with the times. Right. So we shouldn't get the parachute pants? These are making a comeback. I think. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. Based on the February 2025 Nielsen report. Thank you so much to Lucky Luke. A legend gave us so much of his time. Awesome, awesome interview. We appreciate it very much. And if there's one thing I could take away from that interview, it's just, you know, lie to your coaches so you can get power play time. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Just lie to them, lie to their face, tell them that you played the half wall. Tell them you played behind the net. Tell them you played net front and you'll get out there with the best players and you'll pad the stats and you'll make a shitload of money. And the only other thing I wanted to bring up before we throw it to our race world boys is this battle between Michael Buble and Frank Saravalli is top notch entertainment right now. They got a fight. They are. I'm wondering though. So for anyone who doesn't know Michael Buble, we got to get him back on. I like to interview with him. Huge Canucks fan. He went at Frank. I don't know what show he was on saying that if Frank Saravalli is a Canucks insider, the 40 year old virgin is about a porn star. I might have been messing up that quote a little bit, but that was it was a shot. Bass, you're muted, buddy. You're muted. So it was a shot at Frank Saravalli saying he doesn't know anything about the Canucks. Shot at Steve Corral too. I know. I know. Seriously. The back with the chest waxing scene all time. And then Saravalli came back, apparently did some research and said this is coming from a guy who named one of his children. Now, when I'm reading his response, I'm like, he's bringing his kids into this before I even finished it. I'm like, what's going on here? Who named one of his children after the old one of the most overpaid players in the league. So then I'm wondering, all right, I didn't even think it was Patterson because he's been pretty good this year. I wasn't thinking EP 40, but apparently Buble's son is named Elias. Do we have that correct? Is that now? And I guess Buble fired back because he's been following Elias Patterson since he played in Sweden and he's been a huge fan of him. So that's why he named his kid that. So that's what I was wondering. So people came out originally and said, oh, nice try, Frank. His son was born the year before Patterson was even drafted. So I was like, oh, maybe he got it wrong. But then Buble did write like things that made it sound like he did name him after him. Is that true? Maybe he was just trolling them back. I don't know, but I think that hopefully at some point we're able to get to the bottom of it. Maybe we get them both on to have a hash it out. We kind of got the Bloods and the Crips with the bandana's tide and holding it. Yeah. Yeah. Just, you know, we've resolved our issues, but just like that would be the last battle I would have considered going into the holidays, especially with the holiday album. Or you and Tarantino. Me and Tarantino's up there. So I just wanted to bring that one up and hopefully those guys can resolve it because we want to get Buble on singing those Christmas albums. Yeah, seriously. Bring us RA. Hello, everybody. Welcome to RA's World here in the Spit and Chicklets podcast. What's going on boys? How's that? Thanks. It's the last time we saw each other. Thanks. What's up, RA? Not much, not much higher. We heard your engine. Yeah. Yeah. Syatica's had me on the DL the last couple of weeks, been acting up a little bit. Plus I got arthritis. That's when you know you're getting old. I get in the middle age double whammy right now. You know? You got to get the bands out, RA. Like the band work to activate your glutes. I think you start with, are you walking, RA? Well, I usually do, but it's tough right now because I got to walk like Yoda. I got to like walk hunched over and then that like tightens up the top part of my back. It's just kind of, you know, you got to get some rest. Do you have a full molar, RA? I do not. But I got to get a foam roller. You got to get a little bit of a ball. He had one. He made it into a bong. You're like, oh, that's not what that's for. So he's like, no, but smoking the Styrofoam makes you more high. Extra buzz. You just mentioned that Ozzy Wiseblatt that was actually the fifth time that two predators got their first NHL career goal in the same game. Pretty wild stat. Yeah. The last time, buddy, Colin Blackwell and Peccarini back in on January of 2020, interest a little stuff. Peccarini scored a goal in the same game. His first NHL goal, the same game as another guy. Yeah, it's Colin Blackwell. Yeah. No, no, no, no. It's hilarious. Absolutely, bud. Absolutely. Yeah. How was you? How was you guys? I know you made a disgust a little while ago. Anything exciting? I flew the TNT. I didn't do fuck all for for Thanksgiving. Did they give you Turkey on the plane at least? Biz? No. No, I had meatballs with ricotta cheese. Not bad. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Actually, I want to talk about the Bruins. I haven't really gone off on them since I've been doing the salaries world, but I want to talk about my cast. Like, man, this guy has been an absolute stud. I know people thought he was the throwing back of the lead us all mocked there when they picked up Corpus Salad. But this guy, man, 58.3% of the face off circle. I mean, third, fourth line, whatever line he's on. That's pretty damn good for a bottom six guy. Four goals, four assists, but he plays Bruins hockey, man. I know they're outside the playoffs last right now. They lost to Detroit. They went from second in the Atlantic to 11th in the conference. That's how tight the Atlantic conference is right now. Sorry, the Eastern Conference. Pretty wild, but I don't know. I just like the way he plays his game. He'll stick up for his teammates, chips out the odd goal. But like I said, that face off percentage, he just personifies what the B's have been doing. I know we've talked about the door off as well, but they're just kind of treading waterbiz. I just couldn't hope they can just like stay there and not fall too far behind missing pasta, missing McAvoy. You know, it's tough to keep winning games. Are you missing a stupid stuff like that? He said that he could see him falling off a cliff here. And then they scored two goals to make it three. They was three nothing. G said, I mean, they're going to fall off a cliff. They got two goals and then he's like, I'm a complete fucking mush. But they ended up losing that game five four to a division rival in the red wing. I don't know. I don't see them being able to sustain what they've done so far this year. But like you said, Araya, at least like you fans have something to cheer for in a sense of they're bringing it every night. They're playing physical. They're playing Bruins hockey and, and they're, you know, they're setting the tone for, for hopefully, you know, to eventually give back and to, to dominate situation. Now Fraser Mitten's been playing pretty solid for them. They got to be crazy happy with that trade and what they've been able to turn over Karlo for. But yeah, I think that they have between Zadorov, Genot and Castilek, one of the tougher teams in the league where, I mean, we talk about the lack of toughness that some teams have. They could definitely use one of those guys. And Swamin's been on rail. I know he kind of got dumbed a little bit last night, but in November, 10 stats in November when eight and two, two, oh, six goals against with a nine, three, five, safe percentage. He's been playing out of his mind. I mean, he's a huge reason why they are, you know, in the play. Well, just outside the playoffs right now, hopefully they just can rope it, dope and hang in there and get a spot. But that fight, Castilek and Cider, I was surprised. Cider jumped and jumped in there with him. But man, he ended up fucking getting fed a few punches, man. He had no say. He, I think he said after like, I didn't even really have an option at that point. Like his glove was on for a while. And then, you know, that I give Cider credit to, but that's not. We talked RA on Monday's show about Detroit. Can't love seeing that. Like if Detroit could have one of Castilek or Genot, not at the contraction, knows on, I don't think, but one of those guys that could just at least toughen their team up a little bit, maybe Cider doesn't have to go there. But also, I forgot to say Monday, like if Cider is going to be a true one, which I think he's well on his way to being, that's what Chris Pronger did. That's what Scott Stevens did. That's what that's what some of these animals actually were willing to do. And I don't think Rob Blake was as dirty or fought like Chris Pronger, but he was willing to stand in there with guys. So, you know what? It just shows your team in your fan base. Like I am not just one of these new offensive number ones. Like I'm a true penalty kill power play in your face, prick in front of the net. Number one, well rounded defense. Yeah, like Kill McCarr and Quinn Hughes don't have to do that, but they're also not laying the massive hits in them. Like watch Mo Cider, he's cross checking guys in front of the net. Yeah. All game long. Like those other guys aren't doing that as much. And they're getting 100 points. They're very true. He's stuck in that 45 point bracket there. Right. I think he can be 50 to 60, 25 minutes. PKPP last minute down a goal, last minute up a goal. Yeah. I was just trying to say it's a different type of number one defenseman that they have. And I like you said, I love the fact that he answered the bell there and fought because you know, it's not going to be the last time he's going to have to do it, especially the way you play. I don't think Petrol fought much, but I see him as a Petrangelo. That to me is what he could be. An unreal stick shut down guy. He's long. He's nasty. I mean, was a Petrol a few years back where he ended up fucking giving it to dry saddle or was it the other way around? He like legit wants Soto swung at his wrist. Yeah. One game suspension. Yeah. Just being an absolute piece of shit out there. But I think that if Cider is going to be stuck in that 45 50 point range as a demon and plays the way it plays, we talked about a last pod, get some boxing lessons, keep fight fight, fight five, six, seven times a year. Just to let everybody know, hey, if you want to fucking, if you want to drop them, I'm right here waiting for you, motherfucker. And even if like he, he should be able to fight a guy like Castle at toe to toe. He should be. I know, but just such a bad trade off. Like, yeah, I know it's a bad trade off, but he should be able to like that's for his size. Yes. Yeah, should be able to go toe to toe with him. If, especially if you want to play the way that he plays, right? Yep. Yeah. You guys just mentioned beef between play coach Marty and Bennington. Pretty funny stuff, but I want to go back to Saravalli and Buble. Yeah. Basically, Buble said if he's a conox inside of a 40 year old, Virgil's a point stop. But before that, when he did say like, oh, he's probably a good guy. He didn't like, he didn't really like talk too much shit about him. And then Frank said, I found a very odd, I guess in the end, I would expect nothing less of someone who was named one of his children after perhaps the NHL's most overpaid player, which is kind of weird. Like a ricochet shot at Patterson, who had nothing to do with anything. And that wasn't even true because Buble, he, one of the Instagram comments he wrote, I got to give Frank his due. It's the first time he's been right about anything connects. And then he said, Frank's right. I was a fan of PD before he got drafted, used to watch him play while he's in Sweden, was thrilled when the connects drafted him. So I don't know if he was being a wise actually that seems like he just named him Elias. And it just so happens that he ended up coming to play there. Is that what you're saying? No, I was going to say it seems like he already was watching him. Yes, that's what I said earlier. I just thought maybe like, because we don't know, we don't know like the the actual deep groups, deep groups of what's going on. Maybe he was just being condescending as if though you actually think I named my kid after him. Hey, or Merrill's is actually Michael Buble. He's been watching all these young Swedes. No shit. You're right. Merrill's invented singing, so it's fair. And we know sarcasm in the internet like oil and water. You can't really tell when someone's being sarcastic. That's the problem. But it reminded me of some other media versus talent. P5 here in Boston, I went with Will McDonough. He was a great football already passed away a few years ago. Yeah, he was he had an argument with one of the Patriots, Raymond Claiborne in the room and like the Patriot bumped into him and he's like, hey, he's like, what are you doing? Like they started having words and Will McDonough hit him a boom, boom, boom with like three shots. He knocked out one of the fucking Patriots like with three punches in the locker room like 40 years ago. You ever had story Yendo about one? No, yeah. It's incredible. Sean McDonough's father, he was a great football reporter, really pioneer reporter. Yeah, he ended up punching out a fucking one of the Patriots in the locker room, which is pretty wild. And then what you probably remember this one, Jim Everett and Jim Roem on that the show we had on ESPN. Call me Chris one more time. Yeah, people thought that that was rehearsed too. I mean, yeah, call them Chris, his name Jim Everett. Chris Everett, of course, is the tennis player. And I mean, he pissed him off. He didn't really like punch him. He just kind of ragged all of them a little bit. He flipped the table on him. Yeah. On that show. What was that name of that show back back on the day? Jim Roem is burning. He still, yeah, he's still doing it. So while out in California, he's got like a show every day. But because I want to ask you, are the Jets, are they going to be able to hold serve until Halibut gets back? I know he's due back relatively soon, but I've lost five or six only school at 13 goals, seven points back a mini, two back from the wild card. He's not going to make a move for goal. I don't think they really need to. But I don't know. It seems like they've lost lost a huge obviously it's a huge thing. When you lose a goal with that caliber, but you think they're going to slip too far with it, they're not going to be able to get back on the race. I don't know. It's looking that way right now. It's crazy when you're so used to the tendencies of playing with a guy in that, like the way, like, you know, the way he plays the puck, the what angles you give up when you're when you're penalty killing and just the fact that look at his fucking numbers throughout the regular season since he's been healthy and he's also the guy who gets the net, you know, 65 times a year. So I don't know. I it's it's not good right now. The offense has went a little bit dry. But yeah, it's it's it's that's such guys with the central division. You can't go you can't go cold for too long or you're going to find yourself outside the playoffs looking in the fans are Jets fans are pretty pissed off. Like they need a second line center in the worst way. They lost E-Lers. And then I think like Taves look good, but now they're like he's playing like above where he should be playing. Some people are saying like our windows kind of like already done. It feels like so. Yeah. All right. Scary times for the Jets right now. Tough year for Taves to come back to with this, you know, the cram schedule before Olympics, like he hasn't played in how many years. Like obviously the break will help him out. But yeah, they they need to figure it out. But it's not even figuring it out. Right. It's just waiting till your goalie gets back and trying to win some games. Interesting stat too. They've had a goal fewer per game over the last 12 games compared to their first 12. So in other words, you know, that's a that's a huge drop off and you can't win on a goalie too. You know what I mean? That's not that's not a box fall. Yeah. Just 13 goals over the last six games. So another thing to the helmets helmets have been a big talk this week. Kind of unusual this time of year. Bill Daly said the league was going to be sending out a memo to remind teams that helmets are mandatory in warm-ups for all players who entered the NHL beginning with the 2019-20 season or later because the Sens, they were the first ones to do it. They were in Vegas. I guess they had lost their last six times out there. They wrote team dinner. They decided to go without the buckets of warm-ups. They ended up winning 4-3 in a shootout. And San Jose did the same thing. Five straight losses. They were in Vegas. And Will Smith said there was no particular motivation. It was just a team decision at a dinner Saturday night in Vegas. So I think the guys were pretty pretty set to do it. They went out. They didn't end up winning the game. But and then the next game, the Devils, they were the hats for Dilley's 1,000. We just mentioned that a few minutes ago. So I think the fine is I think I asked Wyshchitzky. He said 5,000 per play and 25 per team. Does that sound right, Keith? Do they just eat the fines like knowing that when they do it, that they're going to each have to pay that much money? I would hope that if you get the win, like like already said, if the team's on a skid and then you go out and get the win and it changed the juju, the owner should just drop off a check and say, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. It all started when I was on the Oilers when Corey Potter stepped on Halsey's face. Oh, yeah. The picture that I've showed you guys is Frankenstein. The worst thing. Like it was scary as shit. I think you got 40 stitches down his forehead. And that was kind of the beginning of the discussion. Like maybe we need helmets, helmets in warmups. But God, was it cool to have no helmet on a warmup? What a feeling. Talk about feeling like you're at the top of your profession. NHL hockey, buzzing around, winding your hair. My hair is still not moving. I damn. I missed those days. Also, congrats to David Perron, his 1200th game Tuesday of Montreal, make it even more special. It was in Montreal. He's a Quebec guy. So congrats to David Perron, man. He's a hell of a player. Been doing it for a long time. But boys, I want to ask you 800th point two, right? In that game or recently or something like that. But I was that that's an amazing career. Oh, yeah, he's a gamer. Yeah, can be a piece of shit. I could be wrong. Not good at the Internet. Yeah, just like how many guys are undrafted and end up playing a thousand games. How about one of them's coonets? Yeah. Are you sent me ever heard of this guy? Just a picture of Adam Oates. During the show, yeah, that was hilarious. Perron has 797 points. So he's going to get 800. Plus 110 playoff games. I mean, sorry, Keith, I want to go to you for this one. What do you think is more impressive? This actually gave my buddy PK Crosby, Mashaan, Malak and Ovi averaging a point per game at their age or Celebrini, Bedad, Collison and Smith averaging a point per game at their age. Which more impressive do you think? Well, that's a great question. Probably I'd say the old guys, just the fact that they've done it this long. If it was the end of the season and all those young guys still were a point of the game, then maybe I might switch my answer. But I think when the old guys who have been doing it for, you know, 20 years, almost 20 years with Marchie, like that's so impressive to me. Just the commitment that they put in in the summer times and, you know, obviously every day to their craft. So probably the older guys. You just said, all right, quickly, you just said, I forgot to bring this up. You said PK, maybe take a PK 2-Band who put out a picture having dinner with Andre Markov. Markov, yeah. Dude, I had like forgot about Andre Markov. He was so disgusting. Nasty. That guy was the nat. I thought he was so nasty playing against him. His stick skills, his shot, his passing on the power play. Like just a name you kind of forget about. Oh my God. I, I, Canadians fans all know that guy was sick. Wasn't he ripping darts in the locker room too? Possibly. And then somebody said like they didn't want to pay him at the time. I think army was saying like, no, I sent, I sent the text to a breakdown. I'm going to pull it up right now. Just the fact that at the time, um, Bergeron or Bergeron, Mark Bergeron was the GM. And they were having contract battles. And I guess that he represented himself. So he didn't have an agent and he didn't feel like they were offering on what he was worth and they were battling. And then me just hung them up. And here's the, here's the right here. This was from, um, Habs on Reddit. Back in, uh, 2017, the Habs GM, Mark Bergeron, uh, decided to play hardball with Andre Markov during contract negotiations. I didn't even know this is how it all ended. Bergeron then proceeded to, well, this is kind of a shot at Alsner. Bergeron then proceeded to sign Carl Alsner for five years times, uh, 20, uh, five year, $23 million deal. Markov would go on to end his 17 year NHL career at 990 games. So never got a thousand, all of them with the Habs. He would have become the first Canadians player to reach the illustrious 1000 game milestone, all with the franchises, all with the franchise since Larry Robinson, uh, 1986 and Bob Ganey 1987. So that just, and he, and also he was one point away from becoming second all time points among defensemen and Habs history behind Larry Robinson. He was sick. Yeah. He had years, uh, 46 points, 49 points, 58 points, 64 points. And then like he was injured 2010, 11, I guess, 11, 12. And then he went back 30 and 48 games, 43, 50 points. And then he went, I didn't even realize he went to the KHL and they won it all, um, his first year out of Montreal. So that guy, I just, a guy I forgot about. 47 points back then too was like 80 now, maybe 75. That's 47 points, 47 points adjusted for inflation as far as 57 points in 0506. I'm, I'm giving you 58 now. Yeah. Oh, really? I would have said you 12 more. Yeah. Okay. That definitely an unusual way for a guy to leave the NHL, but wait, going back to that question, what's more impressive? Do you think it's harder for old guys because of the wear and tear or is it tougher for the young guys given the inexperience in the league? I don't even think that question is close. I think it's the old guys, old guys, especially with the speed of the NHL. I would say that the progression of how fast the league is over the last 15 years has accelerated faster than any point in the history of the game. Like that's every single person you talk to and you're like, oh, what's the, what's the biggest difference? Like skating, skating, skating. These guys are fucking zipping up and down the ice. And the fact that Sid and some of these older guys are still key, like Sid's like not only keeping up, he's dominating. What do you get on pace for 50 goals? Yeah. You got his 18th, the other night, just remarkably at his classic knee drop snipe, um, it's still, he's so good at going to the right hard areas and like just touch it, like little tip here, little tip there, open the blade there. Boom. So he just has so much arsenal in his bag. What is he got? Five goals in three games with playing with Hazy. I know. Hazy on his way. Hazy get hot. Don't let Hazy, boy. How about that? Don't let Hazy play with Sid. So I didn't excite him there. That was the other night. That was nice. Yeah, that was nice. Right to the backhand. What did they call him? Not the great one. The don't they call don't they call him something? Not the best one. The best one. The best one. But Sid, Sid had two against Philly. Like that guy has been torturing Philly for 20 fucking seasons. And I remember a rookie year, like they would boo him every time he touched the puck. That was the game. He got his teeth knocked out, scored the OT winner. And then it's just never stopped. He had one night. He had six points against him, if not seven at home. Like he's just owned that city. Hey, how about this one? I saw a stat that in that building there. And now it used to be called the Wells Fargo. I don't know what it's called now. It was, I think. Or I think Kovia. Maybe they changed it to a Kovia that he has the like, I think he's like around the 35th to 30 most points in that building. No way. Yes, buddy. Like guys unreal stat. That is fucking insane. But I don't know. He's ahead of, he's ahead of like Wayne Simmons or someone like that's insane. Yeah. I would imagine Hartnell's up there, but I mean, what does he play four times a year there? And then he's had a bunch of playoff series, but owns that organization, which is owns them, owns them. I feel like a geno's getting kind of overlooked a little bit because there are all these guys at a point per game, but he's got, you know, 26 points in 25 games as well, man. He's been playing at a ridiculously high level. I feel like I'll come on too. I feel like when you know what you're last year, like you just, he wants to, he wants to leave his mark, right? He wants to leave it all on the table and empty the tank. So I heard he had a huge off season training and, and I mean, no surprise that he's coming in doing what he's doing. And it would be awesome to see that Pittsburgh group make playoffs. I would be so fired up to see him in there. And the type of group where you got Sid leading your man, you never know with how tight that that is. Goal he gets harder than a nun's cunt. So it's not like the, you know, we ain't out. You know, Oh, good. No, I'm done. Jinx, buy me some coke. Today in NHL history, 1968, Gordy how became the first player to score 700 goals. Seven players have done it since then. Marcel Dion, Brett Hall, Mike Godin, Ovechkin, Esposito, Jagger and Gretzky. How is also the first to 800 goals and just two guys have joined them. And that rarefied essence. Ovechkin, Ovechkin and Gretzky. And also on this date in NHL history in 1909, the oldest and most historic franchise in the NHL, the Montreal Canadiens was founded. They were a charter member of the National Hockey Association, which was the precursor to the NHL. That lasted for eight seasons. They won a Stanley Cup there, but there was only three teams in the league when they won it. It originally started with four, the Montreal Wanderers of the other team and the arena burned down like six games in the season. So that the team had to be suspended. So it was that Ottawa senators, the OG senators, the Toronto arenas and the Canadians. And I saw they only had three teams. And then 1924, the NHL started. So that was like the precursor to the NHL. So a shout out to the Canadians, man. They should have had that Italian construction crew come over. They would have rebuilt that rink in a week. They would have just finished it now. Hundred years later, the Laval Canadians, they'd be playing out of fucking Laval. Damn it. Now, the main lecture at hand, there will be blood. Quentin Tarantino, Paul Dano. Weird thing. I don't know why he took such a shot at Paul Dano. I mean, the guy's a great actor. He hasn't been nominated for an Academy Award, but he's done some stellar work. Little Miss Sunshine, Lupa, Prisoners, 12 years of slave, loving mercy. He was actually in the Sopranos, too. Back in one of the early seasons. He was one of Meadows friends. Yeah, he had that stupid haircut in the glasses. Yeah. He's an OG Sopranos guy. Well, he's always got a stupid haircut. But yeah, I guess that's true. What did you make of it, RA? Like, like, where do you put Tarantino as far as directors to all time? Yeah, I mean, if I don't, Mount Rushmore, things played out. But yeah, he's definitely up there on my list. I got him. Oh, easily. Top five. Yeah. Top five. I mean, you know, Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Jackie Brown, the Killbills. Once upon a time. Yeah. Once upon a time at Hollywood. I mean, he's done some stellar work, man. Yeah, he's a little bit of a weirdo. He says some funny things. Oh, Biz, did you watch that clip I sent you last night when he was doing the interview? He was the only white guy there. And when he's around black people, he starts talking like thinks he's black. It's like wicked, cringy, like even Sam Jackson looked like he was going to do the home of Simpson, like fade into the bush thing. He was his wicked cringy man. I he's just I'll take a look at it after this. I didn't I didn't see that. Yeah. You know what movie he was in RA? Have you ever seen Taking Lives with Angelina Jolie? No, I remember it's like old, early 2000s, but it was pretty good. It was creepy as shit. Paul Dano was. Oh, he was creepy, dude. Yeah, he plays a good creep. He does play a good creep. He was the Batman tool played the Riddler in that one as well. But yeah, this got Tarantino, the Cohen brothers, Oscar says he those those come out, come to mind right away. No doubt about that. I found it odd, too, that a director would take a shot at an actor like that. Just like that is something that's that's such a full pond. Yeah, yeah, it's not not something you usually see, but he says some some wacky stuff. And he's he's been on this like, oh, I'm only going to make 10 movies. Supposedly he's going to make one more movie. I don't know why you would let me yourself to make just 10 movies. But I don't see what happens. But his best movies of the 21st century, I was surprised. They had Black Hawk down as his number one. I mean, it's a great movie. I believe really Scott directed it like, you know, technically done. I mean, it's tough to do all that shit with all the helicopters and film all those war scenes. But I was really surprised. You find it so noisy and loud. I think I went to the theaters to watch it, actually. And I just remember being like, oh, my, I have a fucking headache and PTSD leaving here, which I'm sure was the point of bringing you in the action. But it was just so much noise the entire time. Yeah, definitely loud and definitely seen that in the theater. But yeah, I don't didn't didn't see that as his number one. But as far as his list, Midnight in Paris, that was a Woody Allen movie. Sean and the Dead, a great like horror comedy. I don't know if I'd have it my top 10 Mad Max Fury Road. The one out a few years ago. That was awesome. Good. Unstoppable. Unstoppable. Do you see that one, Keith? The one with the who's it? The the pine. What's the name? Pine and Denzel. I think it's Denzel. They're on that train that literally. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They can't stop the train. But I got surprised that was there. So I think I only watched it because Denzel was in it. It was fine. Yeah, it's a good little action movie. Zodiac. There will be blood done. Kirk lost in translation, which I like Toy Story 3 Black Hawk down. But yeah, he's a he's a bit of an odd duck, but also a fellow movie star guy. He worked on a video stuff like 15 years too. So so yeah, I was just a little weird shot. Who knows? I'm sure there's a backstory. There's always a backstory with that type of stuff. But talking about some TV shows, this is the best stuff I watched this year. What I know you mentioned a few weeks back, Task with Mac Ruffalo on HBO. I don't know if you saw a mayor of Easttown, the same writer who did that with that with Kate Winslet. Terrific show. Task was unbelievable. First couple episodes, they rope you right in. You know who the Rob is right away and you kind of watching to see if they figure it out. But I thought in the middle, what did you think? I was like, all right, maybe there's a little too much going on here. But then they kind of pulled it all together to the end. Yeah, the first episode was a little slow. Then I enjoyed it the rest of the way. I don't really remember disliking the middle. It was a great show. I'm on. There's an eight episode series. I finished five of The Beast in me. Claire Danes on it. It's phenomenal. The nominal show. Yeah, I've been hearing about that. I haven't started out that way. I just finished All Her Fault. Have you seen that? No, who's in that? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's the girl from Secession. And what's her name? Dakota Fanning's in it. There's somebody else that it's fucking incredible. It is that same type of things. Oh, it's like a lot going on and they tie it all in like towards the end. But amazing watch. We're not what's on Netflix? No, Amazon Prime. Yeah, Amazon Prime, I think. And what was Wildtruel? The three cops that Mac Ruffalo work with. What the black girls from Africa. The guy was from England and the other white cops. He was from Ireland and they all nailed that Philly accent. That Delco accent. I think that's as tough to nail as like a Boston accent. When you know, you when you're doing some act to work, but that's the one. I had no idea. The one Rone can do perfectly when he's doing his like Eagles fans impressions. They're bags. Yeah, it's good. From Philadelphia. Rone is. Yeah. Yeah. Does he naturally have that accent? I don't really hear it, but he can like put on an Eagles die hard. Yeah, I know. I've seen them do that accent because like when he normally talks, I can't really distinguish what it is. Me neither. Here's one for you. All right. Since you're the movie guy that there's rumors circulating that Dua Lipa's husband, or maybe it's a fiance, they're not quite married yet, is cast to be the new James Bond. So that K Kailam Turner. So imagine being named. What? He's a stud. That Oh, stud. I read on the internet that they met on a flight and it just so happens that they were reading the exact same book. I think you remembered we talked about this on the pod. Oh, we did. OK, all right. No, I didn't remember that. Smokemore. We turtle. I'm not familiar with this game, but that's probably a good idea going with the relative unknown for blind because you don't want you don't want too big of a name because I think that could overshadow the role. Whoa, whoa, whoa, was was were they on was Daniel Craig and unknown? Was Sean Connery and unknown? Did I do correct on an unknown? I don't he wasn't obvious. I don't know if he was the A list that he became. Connery Pierce Brosnan and unknown. I think I just crushed that argument. You did go on and it was all and then old Timothy Dalton, he was probably the worst one. But yeah, I don't think it's the worst idea, sort of like what they did with Superman. But I don't see what happens. Are you a big one guy, Keith? You know, I don't I don't want to watch those. I like the older ones. Boomers love fucking James. I like the old one. I like the Pierce Brosnan ones. Really? Yeah. Did you did you hear the story about Daniel Craig when they got a little break in filming? He like bought these like gloves that he loved wearing. And he's like, I want to wear them in the scene. And the director's like, oh, fuck, like, and I guess he was being a pain in the ass. So he ended up wearing them in the scene and that the earlier in the movie and they'd already filmed it. The gun that he was using, it was all fingerprint based. So they had to like go back and CGI to make it look like it was just his hand without the gloves on. They tried to get them all back to like refilm the scenes. But the amount of time and money it was going to cost them. It was just ridiculous. So that was something that I heard that had happened. Once again, that could be a completely false story. But I don't remember talking about the them meeting on a flight with. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. How long ago? Was they were reading the same book or something? I'm going to say they're on the same page. It was the Monday show. It was Monday. No, it wasn't that. No, no, no, it was a while ago. No, I mean, yeah, it was probably it could have been September, October. But OK, but I would go to fish to get. Like a sit down interview with an actor, like a famous actor. Actually, this is going to be famous. Somebody's done a bunch of movies who has stories of director and actor beefs throughout filming. Well, there was just one that was pretty public, the Francis Coppola and Shia LaBeouf. And I think it was Coppola's last documentary. Avery talked about it, I think. Oh, yeah. OK. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Megalopolis. I haven't I haven't seen that. But I heard about that. I say what want to get an actor? We have a that's our guy. But I'm talking like somebody who's been in the business for a while. And that he just got some good ones. Yeah. So you just talked about a mistake. They try to see G.O. Going back to Tarantino and Paul Fischer. There's actually a pretty glaring error in that movie. A lot of people don't notice when the other dude comes out of the bathroom with the gun and tries to shoot somebody. He misses them right, right, you know, from close range. The bullet holes are actually in the wall already when I've been spent, Vagrant Jules is standing there. If you look before the guy shoots, those bullet holes are already in the wall. If I if you notice that out, the Starbuck's Cup and Game of Thrones. Yeah. And one of the Bond movies, they he wanted to wear these gloves and. I got one more. This is this is probably the best show I probably watched. So yeah, it's called the pit. It was on HBO. It's a drop in January. I've never been like a huge medical drama guy. I mean, I even watch one. It's probably frigging mash back on the day. This this show is unbelievable. It's I think was at 15 episodes and each episode is one hour set in real time. It's one shift at an emergency room. And Noah Wiley, he was on E.R. back on the day. He's like sort of the the main doctor who runs the show. Unbelievable. And it's John Hato. He was an outside Providence. Back on the day he was in a two just the act and so good, the right and so good. Again, I'm not like medical drama, not really my bag, but I pissed through this three nights in a row. I did five episodes each night, stayed up late. And in so that acted, I know people think it's like, oh, big deal. Tough to do it. It is. It's tough to memorize all that shit. But when you have to memorize all that medical jogging and like say that over over, that's like a high degree of difficulty, man. That's like a tough thing to do to memorize all that. All that type of lingo. But anyways, Brian Crane, you know, Brian Krantz, the Famaa, break in bed, his daughter's actually on it. Have any of you guys seen any of it? The pit? No. They've never been heard of it. Yeah. Yeah. It's again, I come out back in January, dude. Unbelievable show seasons. Who's coming out in January? Just, yeah, I mean, it's a roller coaster of emotions. One minute you're laughing your ass off and five minutes, lady, you're balling your eyes out. So definitely recommend that. I thought it was real good. One last one to a Netflix limited series called Death by Lightning. I was about the assassination of President James Gaffield and the guy who off some I knew nothing about this. History is not my biggest thing. But it was it was dynamite for episodes that cast unbelievable Michael Shannon, Matthew McFade, and I don't think I'm saying his name right. The dude from Succession, Nick Hoffman, Brad Whitford, Shay Wiggum and Betty Gilpin. Dynamite show, you know, sounds like a boring topic, but you put it on. I bet you guys have finished it. Just a pretty cool story, a little slice of history of, you know, how this like loser basically ends up shooting the President's of the United States. So I checked that shit out. Biz, the haughtiest show of the year, The Hunting Wise. Have you heard about this at all? No. Yeah, it's it's it's wicked cheesy. It's set in Texas. I was like, I'll throw this on probably fall asleep. It's called Hunting Wives. The Hunting Wives. Yeah, Matt and Malin Aikerman. She's buck. She's naked as a J-Bur like five minutes in the show. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, sign me up. Yeah, it's like a little campy, little cheesy, but it's it's definitely the funniest show in the world that I watch this year. So right up your alley. Is it another one? All right. The chair, have you heard of the chair company? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tell us this is something I've watched one episode. This could be. He's a he's a character. Oh, this guy, Tim Robinson, you could this this is totally like if you told me, I hate that show, I would get it. But basically, the premise is this guy, he gets a raise. He becomes like the big dog at the company. And this is early on in the first episode. And then he's addressing the company as the new leader. And he goes to sit down in this chair and the chair breaks. And this dude cannot get over the chair breaking. And it turns into an obsession of finding the company that made the chair and he can't find the company and he goes to the warehouse and it's an empty warehouse. And I'm only one episode in, but I was laughing my ass off. Like the guy is completely insane. He plays him perfectly and he can't get over that this chair broke. It basically like ruined his life. So I'm going to keep going on that one. What's the show where he did the cigar and the hat on the window? I haven't seen any other of his shows, but I had seen his face out there. I think you should leave. I watched some of his clips on Instagram from his shows. And fuck, there's one where he goes back and forth with a guy like constantly where they just he wants them to leave and they just keep insulting each other back and forth. So his brain works on a different level than a lot of people. Yeah, he had that Netflix show. I think you should leave. And then that movie Friendship come out earlier this year. Him and Paul Red, sort of like a modern day cable guy. Yes, that's where I saw. That's where I watched that. Yeah, pretty funny shit. And one of my followers on Twitter, I asked me what were all the shows that I had recommended to Coop over the years. So I went back through all my text and these are all the shows I sent to Coop just for anybody wants to watch them. I gave him bookie, Murder in Boston, Men of a Certain Age, six feet under, Boardwalk, Empire, Deadwood, Succession, Industry, The Penguin, American Primeval and the Red Riding Trilogy. So any of those things I gave him, Coop seems to like, you know, to appreciate when I send him when he wants to kill. When is the penguin coming back? So many games. I think sometime next year, I think the penguin, the ending of the first season. Oh, my God, I need another season of that. Chris had Billy Hardy, too. She was dynamite. That the little gangsta girl there. Let's see. Oh, my classic recommendation for the week. It was the 50th anniversary last week. One of just three movies to sweep the big five at the Oscars, picture director, actor, actress and writing. One floor over the Cuckoo's Nest with Jack Nicholson. It was my Halloween costume a couple of years ago. Probably I'm sure I'd stream it at the usual places. Just a fantastic movie was based on a book from the 60s. And this is the movie, like I said before, that took like, Nickerson was already a star. This put him into the stratosphere, made him a superstar. You know, it's a movie about authority and rebellion and all that stuff that was going on during the 60s and 70s. But and they filmed it at a real nut house. I want to say in Oregon, but one of my favorite movies that if you've never seen it, check it out. As you've seen it, have you know, well, the Cuckoo's Nest. All right, that's your assignment for this week. I think I've seen parts of it. Where when it's on TV, all the ratchet. Yeah, there's ratchet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. One of the meanest fucking characters all time. Yeah, what's her name? Oh, I forget. She won the award too, as well. They'll ask it for that. OK, I don't have an NFL pick yet. I didn't really like anything. But NHL picks tonight. If Minnesota, if Wallstatt is starting again, this kid's got four shutouts in his last six games. He has 10, 10.5 percent of all the shutouts in the NHL this season and just his last six games. That's pretty wild. One dude has all that. So if Minnesota, if Wallstatt start tonight, they're only minus one fifteen in Calgary, seems like too low of a line, but I'm going to jump on them. Again, if Wallstatt starting and one last thing. If you're in Boston this weekend, you're around Sunday, I will be behind the bench at TD Garden, coaching team Shoresy versus the Bruins alumni. It's a charity game. The Shoresy boys will be in town this weekend. So if you need something to do, Sunday three o'clock, come on over to TD Garden. All night behind the bench. Yeah, I'm pretty excited, man. Yeah, you know, I did it last year over again, Serena, but to be behind the bench at TD Garden, man, I'm pretty fired up. I didn't something I never thought was going to happen. So I'm pretty ripped up. I need this fucking right. The last thing last thing last night was the final episode, episode three. We peek we peeking. We peeking. Everyone, go support our guy, biz. Go support the guy that's given you all these laughs. All these takes over the years and check out his series because it's excellent. I love the double. You know, that felt genuine. That was 1000 percent. He was hiding my smirk. My takes. Yeah, I love that. The clever title to biz peeking, not just the peak of the mountain, but, you know, if you take a little something when you're on the mountain. Oh, baby. Oh, baby. And yeah, go support the amputees as well. What what David Vibora is doing in Texas is awesome. So all the information you need to find is on that video and a credit to those guys for getting all the way to the top. So yeah, check it out. He can baby. Thanks to Wonton and the boys. We will be back and tonight. If you're in Canada, if you have Amazon Prime, throw us on. We're going around the league. We're going around the league for hours and hours and hours, covering all the action. Biz, myself and Yance. All right. Thank you once again for an Array's world. Thank you so much for the amount of merch that you guys bought from Black Friday to Cyber Monday. Shout out to people creating our merch. Shout out everyone out there who is willing to spend a couple of hard earned dollars on a hat or a T-shirt or a hoodie. 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