Stephen Colletti and Trey Phillips (of MTV’s Laguna Beach)

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We became friends with cool kids who drove cool SUVs and had cool names like LC, Lowe, Kristen, Talon, and my two teen beat guests today, who 20 years later are now reuniting with their season one cast for a special premiering on Roku April 10th. As someone whose entire childhood was seen by millions, I usually chat with my guests about their untellavized upbringings. But today I find out what happens when your actual teenage years were chronicled and analyzed by viewers like John Madden breaking down a tight end corner root on Monday night football. What's it like when your personal life during your most awkward years becomes water cooler gossip for an entire MTV generation? I look at it like this. We gave you our childhoods. The least we can do is talk about it. Welcome to Teen Beat. Two guys who are as synonymous with Orange County is the South Coast Plaza Food Court, Steven Coletti and Trey Phillips. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much. Here we are, guys. Twenty years after you said yes to a weird TV experiment looking back on it all. Did you ever imagine people would be still so interested in your high school experience? Absolutely not. We have a funny story where we were in our car and we were just we looked at him and I thought, what are they going to? We thought that we were getting away like bandits. Like there was nothing in our lives that was worth capturing. Yeah. Like what are they doing here? Do they do they realize that they're wasting a ton of money on us? And I go like the location's nice. But like, I mean, we're bored here anyway. It's what we're looking to get out of this town. So, yeah, we knew obviously, you know, MTV was what it was at the time. And so we were really just like taking it back that they were there. But we were interested in at least engaging with them, but not expecting the show to actually air. What went into the decision to say yes? And was it then easy to convince your parents that this was a good idea? Well, I mean, when they had you sign up for it, you had to fill out this 19 page profile thing and you would like, you know, they needed the name of your dog. You know, it was like everything. So all of a sudden when they said, do you want to be on the show? It felt like, oh, my gosh, it's so real. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what's funny is it was kind of at that time where second semester of senior year, you're ready to get out of there. Oh, yeah. You've done the whole like, all right, there's the clicks in high school. You've gone to the parties. You've had the relationships as you guys have seen with the show. Yeah. Gone sideways here and there and you're ready to go meet some new people and have new experiences. And if that show came around when we were sophomores or freshmen, I would have been, you know, very scared, but absolutely not. We've been social suicides. Yeah. But at that point, it was kind of like, I'm ready for a new experience. So why not? And it was actually the, it seemed like the girls were more into it. Yeah. Like, oh, this will be fun. They're wiser. They're like, there's a good opportunity here. And the guys are like, screw MTV. Like whatever happened to music, television, like that's lame. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that's lame. And then in between classes, let's go grab a packet and go for it. Cause I was interested in working with MTV or something. So I think that that having that timing of second semester, being ready for new experiences was a big thing for me. And then as far as our parents are concerned, they were definitely, you know, they wanted to know as much as possible. And you got to give a lot of credit to the producers. Selling is the documentary about kids in high school. It's beautiful town. Like, you know, what are they up to? Like we're going to, we're going to keep it casual. There's no conversations about going to Cabba early on in the sign up. Right, right. Exactly. They didn't mention that part. What were freshman year Stephen and Trey like? Oh, man. What were we doing? I mean, like growing up, I lived just up the street from him. And I mean, my mom would just be like, all right, get out of the house, go down to Trey's, lock me out. And I would just, I just zip over to his house and say, hey, do you want to do exactly what we did yesterday? Should we go to the beach? And he's like, yeah, let's go to the beach. Yeah. We spend all day at the beach, come back as parents are always gracious enough to host me in their home and have dinners and take me to movies and stuff. So it's a pretty like standard beach routine. We're such little beach rats, you know, that was guys. We spent all of our time and playing some sports. Yeah. Right. I think it was the first time we started throwing parties to, you know, like just like freshman year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was so like when you threw your first party, I remember we like we like opened up my gates and back the car into the house to like pull out the pony keg and like just. Oh my gosh. Sorry, mom. Yeah. There might have been some forties that were some Mickey's back before the football game on Friday nights. Yeah. Speaking of which, then when the show comes around your senior year, were there ever things that you were? I mean, obviously you two would never smoke pot, but I'm sure some people did, right? Like were there ever times you were conscious of what you were doing, thinking about the fact that cameras were there? Yeah, I was sometimes I was more conscious, especially down in Colombo, for example. But yeah, you know, early on they really told us like just try to act like the cameras were not there. And I think that we still at that age, you're still so scared of getting in trouble by your parents. So we're trying to keep everything on the DL. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's it's one of those things where we also didn't really think about it. You know, you kind of got used to them setting up camera 30 feet away and zooming in and you it allowed you to be a bit more normal. But I think there was I think it was tougher for the second season because they were aware of all that could happen, all that could be captured. And he sort of maybe lost a little bit of that innocence. Right. Yeah. Innocence and spontaneity that you had that first year where everything just felt like who knows what this is going to be. Yeah, we're so naive at that point. Yeah. Yeah. Trey, you were really portrayed as the creative one helping Lauren with the charity fashion show and wearing artsy trucker hats. Do you feel like that was a fair representation of you? You know, it's so funny because I just went back and I looked at all these old hats that I've done. And when I had gone to college, I went to fashion school in New York and, you know, I look back at those hats when I was in that age and I thought they were a little silly. And now I go back and I look at them and I'm like, that was the beginning. You know, this was like it was that little seed that kind of made way for me to go on and have 15 years in a fashion experience. And like, you know, I can like look back at it and there's like a show that captures it. And I think it's so funny. I used to be a little embarrassed when I'd see myself wearing these crazy trucker hats. But now I think it's so cool. Yeah, you know, with enough time and space from who we were as children, it's like it's like trends that you come all the way around. You start off being like embarrassed by yourself and then eventually you come around being like, I love me. Look how cute. Like I was great. Yeah, I feel like as time's gone on, like who you were back then was probably more was closer to anybody else on the show as far as the way that they captured you. And I think they was speaking to how unique you were at that time. And just talking about the trends, of course, a lot of people are trying to fit in and they don't want to, you know, stand out too much as, you know, in fear of being judged a certain way. You didn't really have that. And I think that always admired that about you. And I think that's also the show gravitated towards you. And all these years later, it's the time you could see like back then you were just wise beyond your years and making decisions that were were pretty bad ass. Oh, I didn't just I was just like anybody else. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. Yeah. Do you think it was like this kind of like a chicken or egg question? I know that for me, I was on a show that was scripted. But Danielle, definitely in my later years, became more like Topanga or did Topanga become more like Danielle? Do you think the show helped lead you to fashion? Or do you think you would have always gone that route? You know, it's a good question. I originally went to school in upstate New York to do human rights. And it was an amazing school, an amazing experience. But there was just something about not making something with my hands that I really ended up having to change lanes, go to fashion. It was like there was something in me that just loved being able to create something from nothing and be able to look at it. It just didn't hold the same weight turning in a paper that you spent 12 hours on. Right. This is looking at a piece that you did. Right. So it seems like it was in you. Yeah, I think there was creative spark. Experience. It's knowing when something is worth waiting for and when it isn't. 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And then all the bad PR from that PTA was like, get these people off campus. We don't want MTV at our school. So they made a decision. We're like, all right, we're not going to shoot them at school anymore, but we've already met everybody. We're still green lit. Let's go ahead and do this thing. So we did not shoot, of course, not on campus, but 24 seven nearly at all. I mean, it was like I felt like every other week we would have some sort of schedule between Thursday and Sunday. OK. And you might shoot on a Thursday, Saturday, like two days a week. It was it was pretty relaxed. OK. Yeah, it wasn't asking a lot of us at that age. And they were cautious of how much time that they use it. Thus knowing that, you know, we still had school to go to and stuff. But it was also second semester senior year. Yeah, exactly. You're done. You're already you're either committed somewhere or you're not. Yeah. Stephen, I know at the reunion you touched on at least one instance from the show that you regret now. But I think if my real senior year was on TV, I would be cringing a time. I cringe just watching myself on Boy Meets World and that was scripted. So honestly, I have a lot of respect for you guys. If you two could magically change any aspect of your behavior on the show now, would you or now that we're here 20 years later, do you just see it all as being part of the process? Yeah, it's a great question, because, you know, I obviously do look back at some of those moments, especially down in Cabo, where, you know, I'm learning a life lesson there. There's a lot to to take in and I'm I'm clearly not able to process emotion at that age in a respectful way. So, you know, of course, I wish I could have a little bit of a do over there, but it's moments like those you learn you grow from. And I know who I am when you're not 10 shots of tequila down and Mexico is a 17 year old. Yes. And I'm confident in that. So while, of course, you wish things played out differently. Look, it's it's my story. It's a part of who I am and I've learned from it. And so I think for that, you know, it's it's it's kind of mixed back. Like, sure, we should go back and do it over. But it's it's OK. I don't it doesn't sit with me in such a negative way where it's like, man, like, I can't quite grasp that this happened. It's just something you look back like, man, when you have to give yourself grace. Sure. But you know, but that was look, it was there. You know, irresponsibility that I was I was doing in that moment between being on a show, you know, you don't realize at the time you're representing your family as well. I was so selfish and just focused on myself and my ego at that time. But again, you're 17. There's no other way to be at 17. And so that's why you give yourself a little bit of grace. You realize you're a kid and that's what kids do at that age. You know, we're we're learning a lot. So yeah. Did you guys watch the show when it aired and did your families watch the show then when it aired? Were there ever any awkward moments? Well, I was up at that university in the middle of nowhere. And like, I think I had a very specific experience different from everybody else because they would send you the VHS's ahead of time. And I trusted very few people that I would let let in to watch these VHS's. And, you know, and nobody watched it up there. So like for then the first four episodes, I was like, this shows bombing. Yeah, nobody even knows the show exists. Like I'm getting away with it. And then my parents were in New York City at the time. And so I took the train down and I got into Grand Central Station. And it was crazy. It was the most bizarre experience having people recognize who I was walking through like a whole family at one point surrounded me and asked me questions about it. And I was like, is this a dream? Like this is wild. I remember first getting those those tapes. So we would get it sometimes it arrived after the show. And maybe that was on purpose. It just aired didn't quite get the overnight in time. But it would be about a day before and pop it in and watch it. And really, we had no idea how they were going to edit it together. And really what they were going to focus on primarily. And so, you know, there's there's a shock at first. And it was a OK, the first episode, they're kind of focused. They've like built up this love triangle and second. OK, and like you watch the episode. OK, go back in the thing and like back in a drawer. See you later. Can I watch it ever again? I think actually over winter break, like 15 years later, you know, trades parents always gracious hosts. And we always meet up over the holidays. And I think I was just, you know, I was just coming in town to meet you. And I walked in and your folks were watching an episode. They were like, we popped it on just for shits and giggles. And I was like, oh, my God, I was like, what are you doing? Sorry, I'm so sorry. Yeah, do you want to leave? But yeah, now, you know, and Chris and I were doing the podcast again after about, you know, 20 years go by and you're older now and much more mature. I was like, OK, I can watch this. And so just watching it just recently. It was it was fun. It was funny to be so removed from those years and be able to laugh at yourself. Totally. That's a great feeling as someone who has a podcast now, looking back 30 years ago on myself, being able to laugh at that space in distance is so necessary. Yeah, it sounds like your first moment of realizing the show was blowing up was maybe in Grand Central Station. Yeah, well, was there a moment for both of you that maybe isn't just being recognized, but like your first moment of being like, oh, we're famous. Like when's the first time you realized you were famous? What's your guess? You know what? That's that's a great question. I think there's a lot of pinch me moments. You know, it was like we found ourselves going to the VMAs. Yeah. And we are just months removed from high school, months removed from actually filming the show, months removed from still thinking this is nothing, but I'm to be wanted us to show up at the VMAs. And then I think that first year was still kind of weird, but no one's really watching it. I think going into season two, yeah, and I guess the pickups there, the people that wanted to talk about the show, like, OK, this is actually, you know, this is in the zeitgeist a bit and people are really curious about season two. And then going to the VMAs that second time, I remember there were a couple of people coming up to me. I mean, Queen Latifah came up to me. Oh, my gosh. I'm looking at her because I was like, man, so I was like, wow, she's such a badass. And, you know, I've seen her watching for all these years. And I was like, she's looking at me. She's kind of giving me one of these. And then she approaches me. And she goes, is it is it weird that I kind of know your life? I was like, is it weird that you're Queen Latifah and you're talking to me? Because that's so that was a moment where I was like, wow, OK, this is actually something that's that's reaching households. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Queen Latifah is being your moment of being like, you know who I am. Yeah. That's so fun. Is there one for you, Trey? I don't know. I see Steven was the real hardthroat. He is the one that everybody knew. I kind of just slid under the radar. I might have had an intro. I mean, you were stated at Barrett Barrett College. Yeah, you were. Yeah. You were hiding. That's pretty nice, actually, to have that little bit of, again, removal from the chaos of the world and have like a normal college experience. I think so. In 2006, there was a virtual Laguna Beach game online. It allowed players to socialize, shop and explore in a virtual version of your hometown, including the surf and sport you actually worked at. Did either of you know this existed? And did the amount of meta involved in this show ever break your brains? Did you know that? I, you know, I think I did. Now that you say it, I do recall something like that. But it was that wasn't the only thing. It was like there were several things that would come out and you just be like, they just followed us in high school. You know, like, how are they making a video game about this? It was. Yeah. So it was like some sort of version of Sims. And yes, no idea. Back in 2006. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad I didn't know back then. I mean, yes, there was already a lot of overwhelming you know, experiences coming our way. So knowing that was the virtual world. It's glad that we missed that. Yeah, there's there's a few things that you're like, you know what, I'm glad I didn't know that. That feels better. Once you graduated, you ventured into the city and you frequented the cool Hollywood bars so much so that it spawned a spin off for some of your cast members. Were you surprised at that point? Maybe after Queen Latifah, the answer is no. But were you surprised that these celebrities had been watching your life and are now your peers and you're hanging out with them? Yeah, you know, man, that look back on that time, it was such a thing. Hollywood and and going out to clubs and stuff, you know, it seemed like a whole other planet at first when we were kids in high school. But then, you know, people are inviting you and all of a sudden it's and they're every day of the week, there's something going on. And when you're 18, 19 years old, they're like, yeah, sure, sure, we'll show up. So it felt always. It was not deserved. It was it was awkward if I was like, yeah, we are with these, you know, true entertainers at this point, at this point, these people that have worked their lives to get to this point and, you know, be famous, if you will. And people are treating us in a similar way because they see us on this TV show and MTV, but we have worked. We've done nothing to contribute to this. Yeah, we just lived our lives. And so the imposter syndrome was was definitely real. It was it was a full twilight zone. Like, how is this happening? But like, yeah, I'll go. I'll show you. Right. Yes, I'll say yes. Party on a Tuesday and drink for free and hang out with people. Yeah, that was that's what you wanted to do at that age. I was thinking about this today and it was it's just this idea is like, why were we so famous? You know, like, well, when we look at our lives in the moment, we're from our perspective. It doesn't make sense. But I think it really we were just this representation of high school. Yeah. That I think a lot of people identified with. So that's why we were famous. It wasn't necessarily any one of us that had done something so special. Yeah. It was just they captured it in such a way that a lot of people could identify with. And we just got to be the beneficiaries of that. Well, there's also to your credit, there's a real bravery that people feel when they watch you, that's like, this is brave, you know, performers. We we have to be brave to have fake vulnerability. You were brave enough to say, I'll show you all my real vulnerability. You'll get to see what we really do. Party like and hang out and what we talk like and the mistakes that we make. Like there's there was a when that was all new when reality TV was new. There was a real sense of like, oh, I could never look at what they're able to do. And and then the relatability of that. Like, wow, they have the same life I do. Just maybe in a prettier location and they're better looking. Maybe you're giving us too much credit there. Because it was like, it's honestly the bravery. It was it was more just down the lock, not knowing that it was right. Not knowing that it was like, OK, again, this is not something that's actually going to be seen. Yeah, no one will even know this exists. So now with the reunion, 20 years later, was there anything you were most nervous about coming back for this? I think, you know, you some people haven't seen in 20 years. And it was just I remember when we first walked on to the set, it was sort of it really felt like. Like there was that moment where you weren't really sure of how people's lives had gone, how, you know, what they've done and everything. And and all of a sudden, you know, by the end of the time we finished shooting, it was like we were old friends again. You know, so you were able to kind of there was a bit of that nervous of seeing these people from your past. And then you just realized that they're kind of the same person together. Yeah, you might be different people in different places in your life, but you kind of were able to revert and just be friends and know each other and that you've spent so much time together. Yeah, that shared history doesn't go away. Yeah, you know, I think I was really excited to spend time with everybody. And Chris and I had done the podcast and the one thing that felt like was missing was everyone together in the same spot and in a place like Laguna that was a character in the show. And that's actually where my biggest fear of the whole thing was, was actually shooting in Laguna and how the town might receive it. Because back then MTV portrayed this town as as filled with spoiled, rich kids that like, like, look at, you know, the beautiful environment they're in. And and they're just, you know, they're like at all the silliness that they're up to. So I think that was not a good, a nice representation of the town. And Laguna is this artsy community. It's a beautiful seaside escape, if you will, for folks. And and that charm, you know, was it was under threat with MTV being there at that time in the way that they wanted to capture the show. So I think these years later, we of course want to be respectful of the town and just hoping that people would, you know, see that, you know, people are were grateful for having grown up there and have a lot of respect for where we come from there. So it was important to show the the town in a good light and yeah. In a more mature light. Yeah. Now that 20 years can pass and you can see it in a different way. Did the anniversary special make you closer to anybody? Did it? Is there a group chat? Can I be in it? Like no one will notice, you know? Like did did you reconnect with people in a way that now you are actually closer than before? I mean, we've always like we've got a lot of us are still really good friends. Yeah, we can act quite a bit, but we don't get to see talent too often. No, he's out in Nebraska and he was a great below. So we didn't really get to hang out in too much. We get to hang out more here and he's a fun guy to be around. So yeah, you have this shared history, but also you're you're getting to know somebody through from the experience they've already had in life. And now they're adults and you get to see how they matured, how they become a man or a woman. And that's a special connection there. And so, yeah, I think with with everybody, I would pick up a call of phone and call any of them. I might not all the time, but it's like that. Yeah, that's really nice. I have a similar thing with our, you know, the cast of Boy Meets World. We've known each other now for 35 years. And no matter what, if anybody needed anything, we would all be there. And, you know, sometimes even years go by without talking. But then when you do reconnect, that shared history comes right back. And it's like you pick up every little talk. Give a shout out to Lee Norris, who I love so much. He is I love Lee. I try to go with him very well. Lovely. He is wonderful. His whole family is just incredible. He's human on this earth. Really? He's spoken very highly of you. Yeah, I love him so much. And his parents came recently. We did a pod meets world live tour and Lee was a part of it. And his parents came. So I got to reconnect with them. It was just wonderful. Yes. OK, I will. I'm going to text him the minute we're down. And I'm going to tell him that I'm here with you. Can either of you imagine a 40th anniversary special? Where do you see yourselves for that? What do you think? Oh, I have any chance to hang out with you guys. I don't know. We're going to do that already. Do we need the cameras all around? This this feels like to me, it does feel like kind of the the bow on the whole thing. You know, it's our first time actually all getting together and speaking on it. We've all spoken here and there. And people came on the podcast. But to have everyone together at one time, it feels like that is going to be unique in itself. And maybe it'll it'll just live by itself there. That's fine. And we need to do it again 20 years later. I don't think so. But you know, you never say never. Yeah, I think you're right. It does feel like a nice ribbon on the top. Twenty years is the perfect amount of time to wrap it up. Well, I want to play a little game of rapid fire here. 2004 edition. Very simple. I'm going to ask you a question. You quickly respond. Not a lot of deliberation here. I want immediate answers. OK. Do boys like feta cheese? Yes. Yeah. OK. Great. Who got the best Laguna Beach edit? Trey. Oh, I was very lucky. They didn't involve his relationships. Yeah, he had his relationships, but they were not on the show. I know. Yeah. I mean, they could make anybody look like anything. So they could have killed me if they wanted to. But right. Thank you. But they did not. Yeah. Who got the worst Laguna Beach edit? Go ahead. Point. Point. My boy here. Wasn't fair. Seeing you wish never aired. I mean, Kaba. Yeah. I still wish it never aired. It happened. I never wish it never aired. OK. Which, by the way, there were a few things that happened with other cast members that I found out they got axed. So you were like, did you just not ask? You did again. Anything that you wish didn't air. You really liked your edit. No, no, no. I mean, like I just think when you watch the show, you'd like when you talk, it's like hearing your voice on an answering machine. Oh, yeah. You're just like, oh, can I just make a complete sentence? So I would love to complete every sentence that I just stopped halfway or like you could mumble my way through. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a most embarrassing outfit you wore on camera? Oh, my God, I'm the one here. A t-shirt with one sleeve cut off and an armband like skating down the street thinking I'm like, I've got it. I'm it. No, I don't got it. OK. Yeah. That was unique. Oh, man. There's a lot of scenes where they had to blur my my ass crack because it was I was, you know, you're a kid on the beach. So you go from trunks to shorts and there's underwear doesn't make it in that situation. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you're shirtless and they're blurring your butt crack, that's not exactly that's not your favorite. That's not your favorite look. Something you said too much in 2004. Like. Oh, yeah. Definitely a lot of likes. Yeah. Probably gnarly. Gnarly. He's said gnarly a lot. I still use dude all the time. So yeah. Dude is a hard one for anybody who grew up near the beach. We all say dude. Dunzo was was so many rolled out quite a bit back then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which cast member took things too seriously? Hmm. I mean, I think I was. I was serious. You were pretty serious, but that's that was the intrigue. So you do not give yourself any brief. For that. Yeah. iPod or burned CDs? Oh, burn CDs. Back then. Burn CDs. Yeah. I mean, the binder in the car and they're just all over the ground. Like a passenger. Binder in the car and then all the different thing now that you have them on the windshield. You know, the visor. That was proof. Mix. Yeah. Yes. I do remember five having five disc CD players in the car. Oh, yeah. And which CDs held those positions? Especially before going on like a road trip or yeah, very crucial. Very crucial to take the vine. Yeah. Totally. Teddy's or Joseph's? Teddy's. Yeah. Teddy's. OK. A. I. M. or texting? Back then, A. I. M. was well, texting was getting hot. Texting was like, I think we were we were ditching A. I. M. at that point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Do you remember any of your A. I. M. away messages? Beach. At the beach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You and actually you my first screen name you created. But it was actually through AOL. Yeah. Because you used to call me Steph Colette. And I remember you put you put it on a you had one of those label makers. And you gave it to me. You put it on my tennis racket. Very cute. I was Steph Colette. So I mean, the creative that he is when I was trying to think of a name for my first account, I was like, well, it's really close. Me Steph Colette. That's kind of cool. So we want that. That's cute. I love that you had a label maker. You're like, let me just type this up real quick on my label maker. This is your tennis racket. Sidekick or Razor Phone? Oh, he had the first Razor. And I was so jealous. That was cool when I was. Yeah, it was sick. That was one of those perks from MTV before the Razor came out. A producer gave me a phone. And then I realized now that I think they had some sort of deal going with one of the companies because it was in the show. And and yeah, but I was. Yeah, the Razor was that was that flip phone. Yeah, but Dieter had a sidekick and he would just how he would use it was so funny. Just the flip. The flip. Just flip it to flip it open. Uh huh. Open, close, open, close. Yeah, Uggs or Rainbow Flip Flops? Rainbow Rainbow Flip Flops. The best. Yeah. Although I will say these days I've recently gotten into some Uggs. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, let's. Yeah, you can. Slides or boots. What do you think? Boots. Very cool. I want you to have some slippers in some boots. Very cool. So yeah, now it's both. But back then. Yeah, it was all day. I'm not against it. Yeah, I like it. You know, who was the one because. Exactly. Trucker hats or bleach tips? Trucker hats. Why not both? Exactly. No, feels like you need both, honestly. Laguna Beach House Party or Bonfire? Oh. I love a house party. I know. Love a house party. Are you still in the same house? Is your family in the same house? My folks are. Yeah. Yeah, very blessed. Yeah. So great. I really is. That's like such a comforting feeling, you know? I mean, oh my gosh, every time I come home, I feel so lucky. Yeah, that's really great. Very special. It was special to see too. So, Steven, finally, I know you are expecting your first child. Congratulations. Appreciate that. Now, this is for both of you. Your 17 year old comes home one day. And says a TV producer has approached them and wants them for a reality show about their high school. Do you let them? I think I feel like this is one of those things where you should in advance create an impossible test that you say, if you pass this test, you can do it. Right, right. So smart. Yeah, I think I would be very hesitant. I would want to know what trajectory do they think that they're on? Because if they've got a plan and it's not anything related to maybe being in the entertainment industry, it's like, let's not take this side quest. Yeah. You're probably going to find a lot of the moments very cringe later on in life. So just continue to grow off camera. But look, if they really wanted to do it and they have a plan of why and they feel passionate about it, it's like I can't necessarily say, nope, you can't. One thing that's a little different now than was back then is that now, is there much life off camera? That's what I always say. It's like, if you have a public profile, you've been on a reality show. Yeah. And so those mistakes that you guys made on national TV for everybody, people are making just on Instagram and that lives, you know, the internet lives forever, TikTok. And so it's almost like, listen, you're going to make these mistakes anyway. If you have the opportunity to make some money, have a nest egg. I feel like if I show my kid the show, I'm never doing one. Never. You're immediately not cool. Right, right. So maybe that's the game plan. Statutically, as a kid until like 16, sit down, we've got a viewing party. I'll tell you, it does work. When my kids were saying six, seven and bra, and the minute I start saying it, they're like, all right. No more. So it does work. Just show them that you've already done it. I'm not going to step on you then. Thank you both so much for letting me talk to you today. And I'm very excited about the special. Everybody can check it out on April 10th on Roku. Thank you. Thank you so much. This was lovely. Thank you. Really fun. Teen Beat is an I Heart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel, executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman, executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara Subaksh. The theme song is by Mark Hoppus. Yes, that, Mark Hoppus. Follow us on Instagram at teambeatpod. 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