Victor Davis Hanson: Anchor Babies the Defy Logic and Spirit of 14th Amendment

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But also, Kier Starmer has come out to say that for Britain, he's talking about, this is not our war. We will not be drawn into the conflict. Nearly 50 years ago, Ronald Reagan could have said when Margaret Thatcher said that she wanted to go halfway across the world and take back the Falklands Islands that were very close to the Argentine coast. And people on the left said it was a neocolonial maneuver or it was a post-colonial embarrassment. And everybody in England got for probably the last time enthused with patriotism. And they came to us and Alexander Haig was secretary of state. And he said, well, we're trying to reach out Monroe Dockman like to our South American Spanish speaking friends, because we're worried about Castro and Honduras. And we have a growing Hispanic voter population. And they're all for Argentina. And Reagan said, I don't care. This is a NATO ally. It's one of our oldest allies. Give them what they got. We gave them everything they wanted. What if he had said what Sturmer said? Sorry, this isn't our war. And our cover is out for the counter-revolution, the fall and rise of Donald Trump and the mega movement. It's a nice cover. There was a mistake on one of the sites that said the rise and fall. I got a lot of letters that Victor, have you gone full Tucker? Rise and fall. And I said, no, it was just a typo. I've heard and I've just heard this sort of out there. So I don't know exactly the source, but that the Iranians were requiring basically what would be bribes to get through the streets of it. So they were making a lot of money off of ships and cargo. So he was basically saying, you appeased them. And now I didn't appease them. And I exposed them and I saved you guys from being blackmailed by nuclear tip missiles, which would have happened this year. Hadn't I done it? If you don't want to pay the bribes anymore and you want this straight open, or you can pay the bribes up to you, but I'm not going to play your game any, which then raises a more existential question. Why does NATO do this? Hello and welcome to Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. This is our Saturday edition, where we do something a little bit different in the middle. And today, Victor is going to be talking about two Greek gods, Aphrodite and Aries, the God of love and the goddess of love and the God of war. So stay with us for that. But first we'll look at some news stories. Trump has just given an address to the nation on the state of the war in Iran. And we'll look at that first and some of the follow up from that. Stay with us and we'll be right back. Welcome back. Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. Victor is the Martin and Nellie Anderson senior fellow in military history and classics at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Buske Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College. So Victor Trump gave a relatively short address last night, but very concise in defending where he is in his war in Iran and in fact comparing it with other administrations and other wars that he is well within any sort of evaluation of a short war here. So that's a good thing. And there's two things about this though. I would like your reflections on his talk, but also Kier Starmer has come out to say that this quote for Britain he's talking about, this is not our war. We will not be drawn into the conflict. And then he is also calling together 35 nations to talk about the security across the Gulf. He says today in fact, I think he is in its Thursday. So your thoughts on either of those. Well, nearly 50 years ago, Ronald Reagan could have said when Margaret Thatcher said to him that she wanted to go halfway across the world and take back the Falklands Islands that were very close to the Argentine coast. And people on the left said it was a neo-colonial maneuver or it was a post-colonial embarrassment. And everybody in England got for probably the last time enthused with patriotism. And they came to us and Alexander Hegg was Secretary of State. And he said, well, we're trying to reach out Monroe Doctrine like to our South American Spanish speaking friends because we've got, we're worried about Castro and Honduras. And I know there's a dictatorship there and we have a growing Hispanic voter population and they're all for Argentina. And Reagan said, I don't care. This is a NATO ally. It's one of our oldest allies. Give them what they got. So they came to the U.S. military and they said, this is a long way. We have no ability to provide gas for an invasion. Can you give us 2 million gallons, 2 million of gasoline? Yep. If we exhaust our Tomahawks, because we're going to need them, can you give us Tomahawks? Can you give us information where the Argentine fleet is? Can you give us satellite reconnaissance? Can you give us logistic backup? And Reagan said, well, not only give you logistic backup, but if you lose your carrier, we'll get a marine carrier, 30,000 tons, and we'll have it ready for you. We gave them everything they wanted. What if he had said what Sturmer said? Sorry, this isn't our war. Everybody would have been infuriated. So the speech last night was only 19 minutes and he did a couple of things. He tried to say, I'm getting to, the subtext was people on the left and now the hard, hard, hard MAGA minority right are saying this is an endless war and I didn't, let me just give you two examples of why you're wrong. Let's compare it with other wars. So he compared it with the first Gulf War, 42 days longer now, and we lost about 300. Then he looked at Iraq and Afghanistan, 7,000 dead, 20 years for Afghanistan, 10 years for Iraq. And then he mentioned that we went and help them in Ukraine. He could have mentioned Chad that we for 40 years have supplied the French. He could have mentioned Serbia. I think we went in on the initiative of the Europeans and said, we have genocide in our own territory. Can you help us? And we flew the vast majority of missions to take out Milosevic. That took 72 days. And then there was the Libyan misadventure where the French and the English went to Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State, Samantha Power, UN rep, special deputy national security, Susan, oh, would you please help us? This is the NATO coalition of the willing. We don't have the logistical support, the fuel ability and the skilled pilot and they bombed for seven months. Even though, and we were there. They all forget that. So what he was trying to say was we are not in a long engagement as in past presidencies. This is very short. It is more like what I have done in my first and second term. And then he enumerated. Took out Soleim, 80, Baghdadi, could have mentioned the Wagner group. And we bombed Isis into oblivion. And we took out Maduro in one day. And this is the same time. It's tragic. We lost 13. He was very poignant, mentioning the dead. But the subtext again was you don't destroy the war making ability of the bully of the Middle East, who's terrified seven presidents with 93 million people and do it in four weeks, which he has done at the cost of 13 tragic lives. So that was the framework. And then he didn't say it was getting out of NATO, but he like Rubio said some things. And basically, the story was we were there in Ukraine. Ukraine is not a NATO member. There's no Article 5. You guys came to us and you said they're going to take over Ukraine. You got to send aid. You got to send high march. You got to send patriots. You got to send reconnaissance, satellite them. We said, okay. And then he said, but this is highly ironic. You're Mr. Pure Green spiritually, moral, condescending, postmodern, green fanatics. And you look down at us why I'm pumping more oil and gas, but you're buying Russian gas and Russian oil. And that's empowering the regime that you're asking me to fight because of your green chasing your green unicorn. And they laughed at him. They laughed at him. They looked across the table and they basically said, and he said, well, if you don't buy Nord Stream pipeline gas from Russia, then you can cut off. So he had all of that in the background. And then he said, basically, that he was negotiating. Everybody laughs at that because they say they're aliens. He's got a very strategic plan. He has picked out members of that regime that he thinks resemble the Venezuela people. That is, they're no different than Maduro, but they want to live. Or they want, they don't want to be in chains. So he dealt with that Venezuelan and he gave them some ultimatum. You got to open the oil to the world market. You got to quit your Chinese relationship. You got to give it to the people. You can sell it to us. We'll find it. We find it, but we're going to put it in a trust account for the people. And you've got to let out all your dissidents and you've got to schedule it. And so that's what he did. So now he's saying to the Iranians, well, you can make fun of the speaker of the house or the president or whoever I'm trying to talk to, but I pick who I want to talk to. This isn't 1950s CIA where I'm trying to install a government or I'm assassinating DM or something in Vietnam. These are your people and I want to talk to these people. Now, not that they're angelic, they're no damn excuse me, no darn good, but they're realist. They don't want to lose their country. You radical people I don't want to talk to. Now, you keep making fun of me. I'm interpolating what the message was, but you're all going to be dead because every time you announce that you're a spiritual follower of Khamenei and you're the head of the Republican, the revolutionary guard corps, you're going to die or that you're going to take over the Navy. You're going to die. So I'm going to deal with two or three people. And that's a way of empowering them because the people look at that and they think, well, he's dealing with the more moderate people and they're killing the people who don't want to deal. And so that's a very successful strategy. So what was the in game? In two or three weeks, he's taken out most of the military assets. Now they're taking out the military infrastructure and they're starting to take around the industrial military complex, the factories, the military communicate without trying to touch. They took out a bridge today. They're starting to do things that they're getting really close to affecting the civilian infrastructure. I don't know if they'll continue. Finally, the NATO problem. So what got him angry and what got Ruby on, we discussed this last time, as we said, the Spanish won't let us use the bases or the airspace. The French won't let us use the airspace. The Italians won't let us use the bomber strip in Sicily. The German president said it was kind of an unjust or illegal war. Sturmer wouldn't let us use Diego Garcia. Now he's distancing. So he's going to have a conference of 30 countries to go open the street. I think that's great. They each have one ship. Go ahead and do it and keep us out of it because that's, it's more important to you. We did the hard work for you. And the only reason he said that Europeans said, well, the street was open before Trump started bartering. Yeah, it's because you appease him that every time they kill people and slaughtered people or sick Hamas and Hezbollah and all those people that killed Jews on October 7th. And afterwards, you thought you didn't say a word because they had you hostage. You needed their oil. You needed the streets open. So you didn't say a word about their nuclear proliferation. You didn't say a word about their ballistic missiles, even though they had you in their sights, because they could have hit you. Had we not taken out the missiles that could have reached Europe. Can I ask just a question? It seems, I've heard and I've just heard this sort of out there. So I don't know exactly the source, but that the Iranians were requiring basically what would be bribes to get through the streets of it. So they were making a lot of money off of ships and cargo. Yeah, even before. So the Europe's, so he was basically saying, you appease them and now I didn't appease them and I exposed them and I saved you guys from being blackmailed by nuclear tip missiles, which would have happened this year. Hadn't I done it? So if you don't want to pay the bribes anymore and you want the straight open, or you can pay the bribes up to you, but I'm not going to play your game anymore, which then raises a more existential question. Why does NATO do this? Why do the Spanish who, you know, basically after World War II, they were fascist under Franco and everybody in the coalition, the Soviets and the British wanted to get rid of them. And we said, no, no, no, no, maybe they'll be anti-communist, maybe they'll, and we allowed them to have Franco into the 70s. Why do the French do it? We put up with, De Gaulle got out of NATO and all of this. Why do the Italians do it? I thought Maloney was our friends. Why do the Germans, and I can tell you why they do it? Because they're weak. Now, are they weak because of their population? No, they have 450 million people in the NATO European membership. 450 million, that's 100 million more than we have. Are they poor? No, they have $23 trillion in GDP, EU and NATO European members. 10 times bigger than Russia, almost the third in the world, close to China. So they have the money. But the reason that they're weak is they adopted a series of policies that ensured that they will not only be weak, but appeasing an anti-American. The first was they went whole green power. France has nuclear power, but they won't drill for oil. Natural gas is in France. It's off the shore still of Britain. They can get a lot of natural gas. They don't want to do it. They don't want to get their hands dirty. And they don't want to look for oil. And so they're completely dependent on foreign sources of fossil fuels and their wind and solar doesn't work in Northern Europe. I mean, you go to Germany, you see those solar panels and it's shady every day. You go to England, it's rainy. You go to the coast of France, it's rainy. So my point is that they put themselves in a situation where they're either dependent on Russian cheap gas or they've so priced themselves out of the market, the price of electricity and power for their industries are no longer competitive. So they don't have that robustness that would allow them to be a muscular power. Then you go to their populations. Now under Joe Biden, he almost committed American suicide by letting in 12 million people. That's going to take a generation to find them all, especially the criminal. But the majority of them were not Muslim. So they let in under Merkel, million, million and a half illegals, the rest of them across the Mediterranean through Eastern Europe. And what did they end up with? 16% of the population of Germany is foreign born, about 12, I think of France. Italy is about 10. The only country that woke up was Greece. They really did. They said no more and we're going to partner with the United States. And they're right now in Suda Bay and Crete, they're working on the Gerald Ford. They're an ideal ally. They punch way above their weight. But so what I'm getting at is when Sturmer acts like this or Macron, they have a socialist architecture they can't afford. They've got Muslim populations that are absolutely critical for their coalitions under parliamentary democracy where splinter small parties have much more clout. Here in the United States, the third party has no clout. So they panor the Muslims and they have no energy efficiency. So they're not competitive anymore and they're vulnerable. And the third leg of this disastrous chair to use it weird metaphor, they don't believe in reproduction. We thought AOC was bad. I don't want to have a child because of global warming. I can't bring them into the world. They all believe that. So their fertility rate is 1.3. It's going to shrink by 50 million people in 20 years. So the population is expensive. It's older. It's risk averse. It's quiet and youthful, robust, dynamic people are not to be found. So you have infertility, energy suicide, a lot of green power, unassimilated, non-culturated and non-integrated Muslim populations. And they can't ever get the wherewithal or the intestinal fortitude to save the United States. Hey, Iran has missiles. We know our reconnaissance shows our satellite that they have 2,500 mile range. All of our capitals of Western Europe are in range. And we're not sure that you got all of the nuclear facility stored. We got to do something. They can't do that. It's more like, well, let's see what we'll do. We'll talk privately to the United States and praise them. Oh, the Finnish prime minister, oh, I play golf with Donald Trump. The NATO guy, hi, daddy. Sturmer, the Anglo-American is a rock of our foreign policy. Oh, there's Schultz. The United States is doing the dirty work. Ha-ha. And then they do nothing. And then they turn around to their rallies and their parliaments and they say, this is not our war. This is the United States. They're imperialists and they trashes and they won't help. And then they say, you can't use any of our bases, but we want you to come into Ukraine. We want you to come in Serbia. If we want one of our unilateral little expeditions into Chad or Falklands, you better help us. And people are sick of it. And then we have all of these transatlantic globalists who give us these stern lectures. Many of them I know and like, but they say, oh, Trump is disrupting NATO. He went on to a unilateral expedition and he asked, what would you expect from NATO? No, no, no. He was unilateral in the sense that he and Israel, who has more, as I said, combat aircraft than any individual NATO country, including 80 million person Germany. But he didn't ask them to do anything. He said, you don't have to bomb. You don't have to bring your ships in here. If you know, all we want to do is when we're flying to the United States to eliminate this collective threat to Western civilization and particularly are you, because you're closer to it than we are, would you just let us land and we'll take off? And they said, no. So the point is, as Rubio said, what good are they? Yeah, exactly. I have a question on that in just a second, but I want to welcome back a sponsor, Silent, and that's spelled S-L-N-T. Everything we carry today is broadcasting a signal. Your phone, your laptop, even your car key fob. Most people don't realize it, but these devices are constantly sharing location data identifiers and wireless handshakes with the networks all around you. That signal can be traced, collected or intercepted, making you and your data vulnerable. That's just the reality of the world we live in now. That's why you should start using Silent. Again, it's spelled S-L-N-T. 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So Victor, I would just like to ask you sort of playing the devil's advocate, what your perception then is of the value of NATO to us? Because on the left, everybody who's complaining about what Trump says and does is saying, oh, it's just so valuable, you can never break that alliance. And as Rubio kind of intimated, well, we could reconsider how valuable it is. But how valuable do you think it is? Well, the argument for NATO, this is why they're committing suicide, the argument for NATO and our participant. Yes, if you look at the total cost, not just the money, but the total cost, it's about 60%, one member of 32 nations. Spain just says, I'm not going to pay the 2%. So does Canada. Every time I see Carney, the prime minister, start lecturing us so that he's going to help Denmark defend itself against us. And how wonderful China is. And the US order is over, I say to myself, your country couldn't even spend 2% of their GDP. And you promised you would. Why didn't you? Because you were next to the United States that protects you. And you are so on graces. You want to trade surplus with us. You don't carry your weight militarily. You triangulate with the Chinese. And there's things that are bothering us about Canada. You have a euthanasia policy that's amoral, utterly amoral. And you have certain socialist practices that are antithetical to us. So it's really upset. But the argument for NATO for us was, well, we have to go to the Azores. And we have a base there and Portugal's a NATO member. And it's been very good, by the way. Let us use it. But Spain is right near Gibraltar. And it's right in the Mediterranean. We can stop there. Sicily is another stepping stone. There's always five. Since classical Greece and Rome, there's been five stepping stones, key places that were fought over forever. One was Malta. One was Sicily. One was Crete. One was Cyprus. And one was, I think you could call it Gibraltar. And those are all in hands of Europeans. And no surprise, they all have big bases that sometimes we can use. And then in the northern part, we can use bases in Britain. We have submarine bases. We have nuclear facilities. We have air bases. And we have Ramstein air base in Germany. And I think it's the biggest hospital outside the United States. It's American. But the point is, with that hundreds of billions of dollars, and we paid for all that stuff for NATO, they're absolutely critical. But if you can't use them, what good are they? Or if you have to fight over them all the time, when you really need them. So next time there's a existential threat, you don't know whether they're going to say no or yes, depending on how scared they are. So the point is, what would you replace NATO with? You would replace NATO by a coalition of the willing. You would go to Portugal. Look, we're not asking you to turn on your EU brothers. But do you want to have a relationship with us or not? We will guarantee your security as a country. And we'll use your big base. You go to Italy and you say, we want to know. You've got a coalition. Maybe you don't want to do it. But if you want us to use Sicily, we will protect you and we will come to your aid. And just pick and choose and tell all the rest of them, go to France and let them have nuclear weapons. They're already talking about a European NATO. They always do that when Vance kind of dressed down Zelensky. I did a couple of shows with Europeans. They were really like fighting cocks. There was one British guy was on with him. This is good because we had the biggest fleet in World War II and we're going to, this is a chance for us to man up. Sturmers talking about 10,000 more special forces didn't happen. Most analysts that I've talked to thinks the cheap to tank is better than the Abram. Not if you don't have any and they're not running. And then the Germans people were saying the same thing and nothing, nothing. They didn't do anything. Now they're trying to rearm. They say they're never going to rearm. They're socialist. They've got big Muslim populations. They have no, their energy is out of sight and they don't believe in reproduction. And they're traumatized. They're traumatized from World War II, World War I. The French are traumatized that they've folded in eight weeks in World War II. The children of the Battle of the Somme and Verdun that were so gallant and the Germans are traumatized still, I guess, that they were the cause of two catastrophic World Wars. The British were traumatized because these wars cost them their beautiful empire. And here are these rowdy illiterate Yahoo Americans are running things. And you know, it's going to get worse because two things are happening that no one talks. There's a divergence. Europe is adopting policies like Obama and Biden that weaken a country. And it's going to get weaker and weaker. Trump with an open economy and he's got the tech barons working with sophisticated weaponry and the Pentagon and no DEI, the United States is going to get more and more powerful. And they're going to get weaker and weaker and it's going to get even worse. And there's countries in the world that we're looking at that want to be allies of ours. Look at Israel, tiny Israel, 11 million people. What doesn't matter what its population is, if they have 300 of the best pilots and the best aircraft and the best intelligence in the world, one Israel is worth six European countries in this type of situation. And now you've got the whole Gulf Cooperation Council, all six of those Gulf countries begging us to finish the job, although they are, if I must say, a little bit duplicitous. They told everybody, they told Iran, hey Iran, we're going to make a public statement on the eve of the war. We don't believe that this is a necessary war. Let's just have peace. War happens. And they tell Trump, you make sure you destroy them. And then they say, let's get it, let's get it into this peacefully. And then Trump says, well, I can see the end of insight. And then they whisper, no, no, it's not, you got to completely demolish them. It's very funny because we have all these people on the right who are saying, Israel is running everything, the Jews. And you, I've been doing a little experiment. I run, I look at Al Jazeera coming out of the guitar, then I read the Israeli, the Israel Times and the Jerusalem Post. In Israel, people are terrified that Trump has a different agenda and he won't finish the job. And we're far away and we're strong and they're close by and vulnerable. And they're thinking, oh my God, he's taken this bear and cut off both of his legs, but he still has claws on his paws and we're right there. So we have to keep, and then you read Al Jazeera and it says, Arabs in the Gulf are exercising an enormous amount of influence with the United States. Trump and people of the Trump family, and they're very close, Kushner and the rest of them. So I like to see my friend Tucker, who am I like, but why doesn't he have about 70% of his shows are on the Jews in Israel? Why doesn't he have a show saying, I want to talk about the people who are behind the throne, the people who are really running this war. And it's all for the Gulf monarchies because they're going to come out of it with no competitor in Iran and they're going to probably have much more diversified delivery systems. They're going to build a pipeline across the desert, probably to Haifa. They're going to go beef up the one of the Red Sea, the Gulf of Oman. They won't even need the straight, but they'll be able to be so strong, they can deny it to Iran unless they're compliant. They just run things the Arabs do. They give money to our universities. They have endowed chairs everywhere. Whole cities in the United States are full of, he could easily do that. I wouldn't necessarily agree with it, but it would be much more logical than blaming the Jews. I think Trump's getting a little fed up with Tucker. He just posted a Charles Murray article explaining Tucker's anti-Israel, anti-Semitic pro-terrorists. The Charles Murray, I can't believe that. He's in the sort of a realist Neil Mershamer person for a while. Yeah. Although he wrote a recent book about religion. It was very good. Yeah. He's very smart. That's for sure. I think Marjorie, it's funny about apostates. They have a zeal. So when you read what Candace Owens is saying or Tucker or Marjorie Taylor Green or they're more critical than the left. They really are. Marjorie Taylor Green, she blew up her career. She was becoming a very powerful member of the house. And apparently she believed that the Epstein files had all of this lurid stuff about all these Republicans and that's why Trump didn't release it. And he didn't, there were some people in there, but when he released it, it was all Democrats. It was far more damning to the Democratic people. Marjorie, some Harvard president. It was the Reed Hoffman, the big billionaire lefty. It was it was a royal family. It was, I don't know, but they blew it. I don't know why she did that. There was nothing, there was nothing there. And now if there is any files that are there, there's Swalwell files because we have Fang Fang. And then we find out that he was broke and he was using all this money and he's not going to go anywhere as governor. Yeah. I don't think that's winning campaign in California. Swalwell for governor, Swalwell for nothing. Isn't that scary? You know what's really scary is that they put up Swalwell as their leading candidate for governor and their two leading presidential candidates or Camilla Harris who can't finish this sentence without that chuckling and hackle or whatever you want to call it. And then Gavin Newsom, he's got restless arm syndrome, restless wrist syndrome, lest his fingers syndrome. And he's, and he cries now and he's got this idea that he's basically saying, oh my gosh, I can't deal with a high speed rail. He's on tape now. They got all these tapes where he said it was a disaster 10 years ago. Don't do it. It'll never work. And he was right. But now he's weighted into it as Mr. Green and it's a disaster and the fires were a disaster and LA 50,000 people left and the palisades mess and the taxes are the highest in the country and the state's broke. Now he's looking at a multi, multi, multi billion dollar, much bigger than Minnesota, hospice fraud, Medi-Cal fraud, COVID money fraud, could have been a quarter of that, could have been people are talking that it's, it might be $250 billion. As someone who pays a lot of California state taxes, the amount of fraud is just staggering, but he can't deal with any of that. So he goes on TV every day and he, you know, he, I'm going to hit Trump in the mouth or that reporter is a pedophile or the Europeans need their knee pads or I was dyslexic and catruse made fun of me or I was lonely or now I'm weird. Yeah. He's weird and he's crying. He's crying. That's his lip-sync. You know what the part of my guy said to Cromwell, I mean, and during the Cromwell, it was a very famous statement, be gone, be done with you, get out, just leave, no more, get out, Gavin, you and your wife, gosh, his wife, she, she, that was the worst she said. She gave this little interview like she took her children, she claims, I don't know if she actually did it on a zoo tour, but the zoo animals were Alabamans in Georgia and I wanted them to see what, who, red state, basically racist and sex, she didn't quite say that, but I wanted them to see what this country was about and how they could counteract that. So I took, can you imagine getting in their BMW SUV and driving through Mobile and rolling down the, there's one. Is that a giraffe? No, that's a white rhinoceros. And then let's go to Mississippi. I hear there's a really weird breed there of white red neck who's horrible and we can look down on and you know, they can't, they can't hide it. You know, when you had Jimmy Kimmel making fun of Mark Wayne, the Senator, Mullin and saying he's a plumber, a plumber, these people are so weird because they all pose as the champion of the underclass and the working, they hate the working class, they hate the middle class, they hate the DEI people, they just, but and they, they create this facade of caring to square the circle that they're guilty because they're not comfortable with people like, unlike them. They don't like people of different class, a different race, a different zip code. They're, they're such a weird group of people that run the Democratic Party. Yeah, it's a big cover of. I agree. Yes. Well, Victor, let's go to some ads and then come back and talk about Artemis, sorry, Aphrodite and Aries. And actually, you might want to say a couple of things about Artemis because we just had a spacecraft takeoff from NASA to Circle the Moon and it's named Artemis too. 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So I thought this week are Aphrodite and Aries, God of love, God of war, what are the manifestations that we have of them? And then if you have anything about Artemis to say? Well, I mean, if you're on the sea coast of the Ismus and you're at Isthmia, then obviously Poseidon is going to be a very important God. So you so you have a cult of Poseidon at Isthmia. If you're in Olympia and you're supposedly the home of ecumenical Greeks, Pan-Hellenism, then you're going to have Zeus. So there's a big temple of Olympian Zeus. So that there's a regional component. And remember what these again, just remind everybody, these 12 Olympian gods reflect mores of the Greek people. And so if Aries, for example, commits adultery and gets caught with Aphrodite and the Iliad, rather than banish him, the other gods get to look and laugh. And then he say, Oh, I made a fool of himself. I sure wish I was him given what Aphrodite looks like that reflects the mores. Zeus is a big philander and he has all these illegitimate kids. But there's so they're valuable as they reflect the moral code, but they also reflect the good part of it. Zeus is the protector of justice and order. So when you look at, you would think that two given Greece is such a romantic place and sex was so openly discussed, you would think that two important gods were the Aphrodite and Aries. And Aries is a son of Zeus. Aphrodite has a very strange genealogy. The myth says that she, when they cast off Kronos, the father of Zeus and the Olympians took over and he was castrated, the blood near Cyprus hit the ocean and she came out of that. And again, linguistically, etymologically, there's an argument that the Greek word aphros is what Aphrodite means. She's the god of the foam. And she's always, if you look in vase paintings and literature or statuary, she's often associated with shells. You see that famous one, Botticelli. Yeah, Botticelli has that. So Aries, you would think that he would be a very important and noble god. And he is. There's a Areopagus, the hill of Aries where Paul preached. And there's a temple of Aries. There's an argument whether it was Aries or, there was a fourth temple. There was the temple of Hephaistus and the temple at Ramnus and the temple at Sunium. They were all the same type by one architect. And there was a temple of Aries. So he was very important and he was important in the Peloponnes and he's the son of Zeus. And we hear a lot about him in the Iliad. He's kind of a rascal. He goes, he's kind of a trader. He goes and helps the Trojans and he helps the Greeks. He, Porophysus is crippled and kind of ugly. The Greek version of Vulcan, the god of the Smith, ironworking steel fabrication and kind of typical Greek were young women, often married older people. He's married to the most beautiful woman, goddess Aphrodite. And he's the ugliest. And he's the son of Zeus. And she commits adultery with Aries. So Aries is kind of a rascal, but he doesn't, he's not the god of treaties. He's not the god of diplomacy. He's not the god of messi, you know, like Hermes, the messenger. He's the raw, savage god. And I think in the Iliad at one point, Zeus reprimands him and says, you are the most hateful of all the gods, because all you bring is discord and hatred and killing. So he's the one that you sacrifice, not when you discuss about whether to go to war, but right before you're on the battlefield, if you take a lamb or pig and cut their throat and see how the blood comes out, or you take the livers really quickly and put them on a little tray and burn them and see how they move and stuff. And are you see that scent going up? Two types of divination, Ancient Greek. One was predicatives. You wanted to know what the gods thought. And one was honorary to pay them and give them the scent of meat that they loved, apparently. That's how they ate along with Ambrosia and other things. So anyway, right before two armies met, they wanted to either see if it was a good thing to fight. And it was kind of rigged. If they got on the battlefield, they were going to fight. So often they rigged that and said, Aries says we should go, but they often wanted to pay him homage. And they had a war cry, some place, you know, they all yaya yai, yu, yu, yu. They did kind of like the rebel yell. And some of them were yells to Aries, but he's a violent god. And remember that the mythology reflects the history. So these names of these 12 Olympians and others were on Mycenaean tablets, and they have all Eastern Hittite and Egyptians contact. And so when that very sophisticated society, which we know from the linear B text and the physical remains at Mycenae, Tirind, etc., when that was destroyed, that was captured in mythology as the death of the earlier generation of Kronos. And then the Olympians that came were new. And they grew up during, they were in the Mycenaean period. And they were, those myths were magnified with the destruction of culture. The population declined in Greece, say from 1150 BC to 800 by 90%. Agriculture was retarded. It went backwards. People had flocks. You can see that economy in the Iliad. Moses Finley, you know, wrote The World of Odysseus, and he talked about all of the sheep and guest friendship of a dark age society, he thought. So in that period, when these dark age people were looking at these huge monolithic Mycenaean palaces or these huge, you know, you'd be plowing your field and all of a sudden it would cave and you'd drop 50 feet into this big tomb, or you'd be a shepherd out somewhere and after rain, you'd see all these clay tablets with writing on it. You didn't know what it was. You had no idea. Because that was lost, but you kept that memory of the Mycenaean expedition to Troy, let's say, or to Asia. And then you magnified it. And the new way of magnifying it was, well, whatever those guys were, they're gone. And there were new Olympians. And then when the city state, the rebirth of West, and the beginning of Western sit popped up, sprouted around 800 to 700, population suddenly started. Agriculture returned in a very sophisticated manner. Cities, buildings, those gods were even more reinterpreted as wise gods, gods that knew how to make things like Hephaistus, because people were working in iron, or Athena, gods of wisdom, because people were beginning to write again, or that she was Zeus. Now he was not just the thunder god or the light god, he was the god of justice, because these city states now had constitutions. And all of those myths over 400 years of the Dark Ages and the exaggeration then were codified when writing reappeared, a new type of writing, not linear B Greek, but a Phoenician adopted like Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, etc. And so the Olympians then became the gods of the city states. And by the fifth century, the actual ecstatic belief in them was waning, but they were more like kind of a traditional religion that you, a state religion, you had temples for, you had theaters for, but the actual number of Greeks who actually believed in them was waning. And then of course they're going to be reinvigorated by the Romans, who will take the Olympians. Once the Greek city states of Southern Italy and Sicily were absorbed by the Latin speaking Romans, then they appropriated. Hephaecists became Vulcan, Zeus became Jupiter, Hera became Juno, Aphrodite became Venus. It's kind of ironic, the best statue that we have of Aphrodite is now called the Venus de Milo, the Venus statue from the island of Milo, but it was actually a third century pre-Roman statue to Aphrodite. Oh really? I didn't know that. Yeah. So Aries is, we'll get to Aphrodite next, but Aries was a, in the Dark Ages, as reflected in part by the Iliad, but even the earliest, he was kind of seeing a rogue, he destroys things, but you want to be good at war, so you worship him, but he's a reckless and unpredictable god, spoiled, capable of anything, great savagery. Did anybody like the Spartans, especially worship Aries? You think so, but when you go down to Sparta, I think there's actually, and I'm doing this by memory, there were more cults as I remember. I lived two and a half years in Greece, and we went everywhere with the American school of classical studies, because I remember there were more cults dedicated to Aries and Thebes than there was in Sparta. Sparta, they're, got to remember one thing about Sparta. When you're campaigning, when you have 10,000 Spartiates that are trained from the age of seven, and what they call the agogoi, the ritual making of a soldier, and they lived in group barracks, and you had helots and peri-oikoi, those were the people who were serfs, and they did all the farming and supplied the foods, so this select 10,000 could fight and train all year. Well, they were on patrol, mostly over the mountain of Taegetas patrolling the helots of Messinia that provided them food. They conquered a whole region and enslaved them, made them serfs, so the women were very powerful because they were in charge of things, why their men were away fighting, and we hear that they wrestle, they practice Olympic games, they could own property, they were not afraid of nudity, and it's no accident that Artemis, there's a lot of temples and cults in the Southern Peloponnese, in areas of Laconia that are dedicated to Artemis. It seemed to be their principal deity, Artemis Propolis, on behalf of the city. So now we have a space vessel up there by the name of Art. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know who named it Artemis, but I get the impression that they were trying to tell us that American dynamism and hunting for a new frontier like Star Trek could be, there could be a doublet, could have a dual use to champion the fact that we have women astronauts, and women are just as capable of men, so we'll call it after the God, the Huntress, the God of the Huntress, the God of the Wild, the God of, you know, Artemis will get to, she was the great archer and Huntress, and yet she's a woman, and I think that's why they picked it. The Romans called her Diane, right? Yes, Diana. Yeah. Well, Victor, we have a- In Italy today, you see a lot of people call Diana go to Greece and there's a lot called Artemis. Is that right? All right. 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First American born was from China and it was somebody who was coming here to abuse the 14th amendment. We have literally thousands of people coming from China flying over here using our facilities probably for free, having a baby, flying back with a baby and then saying that they can come anytime they want as guests of their child who's a US citizen who probably doesn't speak English and have any idea. Same thing happened when the border was open. I think I told you that, I mentioned this to our audience, I think it was around 1991 or two. I got a knock, I was fast asleep and I just had a rickety fence then and I went outside and it was raining and there was a pregnant woman there with a guy, neither one of them spoke English, but she had a piece of paper and it had a well-known Selma doctor, OBYGN and it had her address and phone number, but it had the address of the Selma and she wanted to know how to get to this before GPS, how to get to the Selma hospital and it had her name and her address in Oaxaca, Mexico and from the little Spanish, I used to be able to understand some and she said that she and her husband were from or her compatriot were had driven up for two whole days from Oaxaca and she would look like she was gonna, I thought she was sweating and she was in pain and she wanted to go to have this particular doctor, not just the Selma hospital, this particular who had delivered so many children from her larger extended family and friends in Oaxaca and where did all that come from? It came from the 14th amendment which was really addressing slavery, most of the elements of that amendment and it said that if a person has a child in the United States and is not subject to an allegion to a foreign country, that child should be a US citizen, but because of court decisions and custom and practice, we never really had this abuse of it like we've had. So the irony is that Mexico sends people to do that, China does it, Central America does it and none of those countries allow anybody to do it through them and I think of the 30 or 35, 40 European countries, there's only one or two that have half, you have to have, you can have one parent, not a citizen, in other words, but otherwise you have to have both parents as citizens before you're born. So the Trump administration is saying is this crazy because this anchor baby means that people are coming across the border with no affinity toward the United States at all, having that baby at enormous cost, $50,000, $100,000 and then either claiming that they have to stay here to take care of this American citizen or take them back, raise them until they get to a considerable age, 10, 12, and then they have a passport, apply for a passport and then they accompany them and they're giving preference on green cards and teresvias and then eventually that child will sponsor them as their anchor and it's, it defies the logic and the spirit of the 14th Amendment. So then when you looked at the arguments, Katanji Brown is getting a reputation as somebody who, I don't know how to put it, she's not able to reason logically, she just can't do it and she talks more than any other justice, they always time out much justice. She talks probably more than all of the conservative justice put together. Clarence Thomas has more sense in his little finger than she does, but he never says much because when he says something it's pretty good, but she talks and she made the most ridiculous argument. She said, well, if I go to Japan as a tourist and somebody steals my wallet, then I deal with it with the Japanese legal and criminal system. So I'm pledging my allegiance to them. Do I, and so I guess I, if I had a child and then she stopped and I thought, are you gonna put your head in the noose? Because what you're saying is if you had a child then you think that would be a Japanese citizen and of course it isn't. So how is that relevant here other than to show something would be no sane country in the world would do what we're doing and you think that anytime a person sets foot in another country and is visiting or that they have shown allegiance to that country, people come from Mexico as citizen, they are showing that allegiance to that country and if you don't believe me, go to a soccer stadium in any major city like LA Coliseum. Every time we've had an American team versus a Mexican team, the two million illegal aliens of LA County route for Mexico and when you saw the ICE demonstrations, we saw this bizarre disconnect of people burning the American flag of the country they want to stay in and proudly waving the Mexican flag and when I go to get groceries, I'd say one out of every six cars has a Mexican flag on the window decal and of course there's 50 Mexican consulates in the largest number of consulates of any foreign country and they're here for one reason for the 30 million illegal aliens, probably 20 million of which are from Mexico and so they have allegiance. You could, I think they still do it, there's a soccer field about a mile away from here next to a park and every once in a while when they have elections in Mexico, we get candidates that come here and they have a big nighttime rally and they try to whip it up and they vote so I think those peoples by any normal standard that are here illegally are legally as non-US citizens, their allegiance is not to the United States so when they have children here they should not be. Does that mean that the justices are going to agree with the Trump administration? No, the justice attitude will be this. Well, we did some controversial things. We left abortion up to the states. That was a very brave move and we knock the crazy guys like Judge Boadsburg and those crazy Judge Ferman and all those lower district court but this is a bridge too far. We've gone for 150 years with this stuff and we can't just, it's illogical, it doesn't make sense, it's contrary to US and national interests, it's costly but I don't want to be tarred and feather for overturning this. We'll get every DEA group, we'll get the La Raza caucus, we'll get the Black caucus, it's just and you know, that's what I know that China is abusing it and everything but you know it'll not be seen that way, it'll be seen as hurting people of Hispanic heritage so they won't do it. You think that they'll just allow it to keep on going? Yeah. Keep on keeping on. They know it's wrong, they know that no same nation in the globe does it. The Europeans who say how left they are and how far right are far more right-wing than we are on this. I'm sure Mexico doesn't even do it. Oh, Mexico doesn't do it. Well, Mexico has in their constitution and they've kind of changed the wording to tone it down but 20 years ago it said that immigration shall not change the ethnic composition of the Mexican people. Think about that. We don't want any gringos coming down here who are white and can don't speak Spanish because they would be a drag and they would destroy our ethnic essence. If the United States had copied the Mexican constitution until it was slightly euphemistically changed, everybody would say we were racist but Mexico's racist. The people who are coming here say they're economic refugees, many are from southern Mexico but the subtext of that is their economic refugees because Mexico is a racist country and sees them as indigenous Indians and treats them like dirt. The people in Spanish who claim that they're conquistadoris and their direct descendants from, you know, Hernán Cortés himself. But back to the birthright issue, do you think that the Supreme Court then is just going to pass it on and basically the implication will be Congress just needs to make a law about this particular issue. There was never a law though. No. It was just a court interpretation decades ago that said the situation wasn't like it is to now. It was a theoretical conjecture. Well, if you come here, you know, you can, it was for people who were freed slaves and there was never, they under the Constitution had been counted for as three-fifths of a citizen, not for racist from the north but from the south for purposes of getting legislative congressional districts. But nobody had ever said what the status of their children was. So after the Emancipation Proclamation, the end of the Civil War, 14th Amendment, who gave them other rights said, you know what, all they have to do is have a child and we'll send it to anybody. There'll be citizens. But they had no other allegiance to, but to the United States. And yeah, that makes sense. Well, Victor, I would like to go on with the other SCOTUS ruling, but maybe we'll talk about the ruling on conversion therapy at another time. I was wondering if you had some thoughts on Pam Bondi just step down today. It seems that... I think she's very good politically for Trump. She had experience as the Attorney General of Florida, but that was a hasty appointment after the disastrous, I don't be candid, I'm not trying to criticize the administration. That was a disastrous decision to put Matt Gates as Attorney General. The only logic I can think was they wanted to put somebody so egregious that would drive the left crazy that the left would expend all of their emotional energy on trashing gates to force them out. And then when they were taking a second breath, they would put in Pete Hexeth and other people that were more controversial and it worked. But she was the last minute and I don't think she really wanted to do the job as much. You needed for that type of job at this particular time and place and given the lawfare that was waged against Trump and given the fact that James Carville and Susan Rice, James Carville just the other day said, we're going to, when we take over the, we're going to jail all the Trump family members and their spouses. And Susan Rice goes, we want to warn all your corporations and law for anybody at work, we're going to go after you. So they mean business. And so I think they wanted a Attorney General who would pursue these conservative cases in court, but also say, I don't care who Latida James is. I don't care who Fannie Willis is. I don't care who John Brennan is. I don't care who Alvin Bragg is. I don't care if the New York Times goes crazy. If they broke the law, we're going to go after them. But I think it was a reaction to a complacency that we have this swamp and if you're James Comey or Robert Mueller or you've done something wrong, I think they have or Jack Smith, then they get immunity. Jack Smith got what, $150,000 of free legal. And they said, well, that's not, that's taxable. And I don't think he reported it as tax. If I'm paying my taxes right now and I'm going, I mean, I have a very good accountant and I can tell you that if he asked me, do you have other any other income? And I said, well, yeah, I've got this lawyer friend who's defending me for free. He said, I'm sorry, Victor, we have to report that. And I report every nickel and dime. But I think there's a sense that people, that he wants to shake up things. Yeah. And I get a sense just from all the talk out there. Nobody's saying this too loudly anyways, that maybe she wasn't moving things along quite as fast as he would have gotten. They say he fired people that disagree with him politically in the first term. He fired my friend, HR McMaster, he fired Jim Mattis, he fired Rex Tillerson, he fired John Bolton, they were fiery. He fired James Comey, he fired Scaramucci, right? But these are not firings. When he wanted to get rid of Christie Noam, he wanted to ease her out quietly because she was spending too much money on herself and these commercials. And then there was Corey and all that stuff. And I think, I don't know if he knew about the latest revelation about her husband. But he found another job for it. And the same thing with Pam Dhalmi. Everybody says, she fired, he fired, he did. And he just said, Pam, it's not working. What are we going to do? Take your pick of jobs and probably offered her a selection. Yeah. And I'm sure she's going to be paid a lot more in the private sector. So whatever. That's what the Obama administration did was basically, you remember there are EPA person who was, she had a fake name and she was going on the EPA website and bragging about how good she was. And it was her. I think she ended up at Apple or so. I mean, that was what the, the Obama, when they wanted to get rid of somebody or somebody was going to retire, they just called up Silicon Valley and they all ended up on million dollar year jobs doing nothing. Victor, we need to go to some ads and then come back. It is Easter Sunday or Easter weekend. And so I have a couple of stories for your comment on related to Christians and Christianity. And then we can wish everybody a happy Easter Sunday or any thoughts you have on that. But stay with us and we'll come right back after these messages. Since the founding of America 250 years ago, many things have changed, but some things never do. 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Rise and fall. And I said, no, it was just a typo that that site inverted it. It's the fall and that's where he was in the polls after January 6th and then his rise or recovery. So Victor, a couple of stories. One was I was surprised to see in USA Today a story about how there is an increase on Christian churches and Jewish attacks on Christian churches and Jewish synagogues. And I thought that that was interesting since the USA Today is kind of a very standard magazine that tends to lean left. But they concluded this, I thought it was even more interesting. They said in the article, I can remember a time when even one such incident, which is an attack on a church or Jewish synagogue, would have shocked the American conscience. Instead, these repeated incidents of hate, violence and bigotry on America's most sacred spaces are becoming a part of the background noise. Catholics as well as those of other persuasions cannot be complacent. This is a pattern of hate, targeting what we hold most sacred and dear. We have every right to our righteous anger. That was in USA Today. So I was surprised. There's two things going on. I don't want to use that term again, subtext, but there's two undercurrents that explain this attack on Judeo Christianity. One is more generic and one is specific. If you have a me generation that has taught generation X and the boomers of taught generation X and millennials and X, Y, all of them, and they're unhappy. There's always a sort of, so we and my generation said, you know, these uptight traditions said you couldn't have sex before marriage and women couldn't define their own sexuality as they wanted. And make, Timas D. Leary said, drop out, tune in and, you know, make love, not war. When I went to UC Santa Cruz, I would, you know what I mean? I went to a very traditional school, mostly Hispanic, very traditional, but people would say there's a scandal. We heard that Mary X and Billy Y, he said they had sex after the football game. That was what it was. When I went to UC Santa Cruz, you'd walk down the hallway and door, people would be fornicating with the door open. So that generation then, that activity was blamed on people. We were repressed. We had fake traditions. We were not plastic, but the ultimate cause of their anger was traditional religion that made them feel guilty. We're not guilty. We're not guilty. We don't play by your rules. There's nothing wrong, you know, the homosexual movement. We don't like the church's traditional roles of women. So some of it was understandable and perhaps necessary, but what I'm saying is ultimately 50 years of radical cultural and social change has identified Christianity and Judaism as the cause of their neuroses. Along with their parents. So we created a culture, a multi-generation culture that when you strike out at these places, you're kind of like Antifa or you're kind of like BLM or you're kind of like Code Pink. It's a social cultural resistance movement and it's okay. And the law enforcement, the judicial system who are part of that same generation sanctified, the other more immediate is Islam. And that means if they did this to a mosque, it would be all over every newspaper and you would have an F, the FBI would be under enormous pressure to find the culprits. But and that difference is attributed to fear. If you attack a mosque, two things happen. It's considered a DEI property. It's on the victim side of the ledger. Genocide in Palestine, neocolonialism, all of that stuff. And therefore, it's not to be done. It shouldn't be done. But if you do anything that is anti-Islam, you're on the oppressor, victimizer side of our binary. And second, it's dangerous because as we know in Europe, I mean, they're beating up people in Scotland that were walking their dog by a mosque or a little girl had to pull out a knife to protect herself from Islamic predators. So and they beheaded a French teacher and a French priest in France. You don't make fun and cartoons of me. So that's what it is that if you're, if you're very angry at organized religion, because you're unhappy and they have all these rules that you feel that you violated, I'm gay, I'm promiscuous, I have an illegitimate child and you feel there's condemnation from the church, then that is one of the motivations. And you also think that if it's a Judeo-Christian, it fits in with your leftist ideology or something that these are oppressors, whereas Islam is a victim, at least here in the United States, not historically, by any means. Well, the other story then is just, and I don't know if you have any comment on this, but the, you know, the shroud of Turin, which is the shroud that covered Jesus after he was brought down from the cross. They've done DNA testing on it and it shows animal, plant and human DNA everywhere as far as India, human DNA in fact, as far as India. So I thought that was very interesting. I mean, obviously it had been everywhere even before it had laid to rest. Yeah, I don't know if that was the materials that was made of or people who handled it, but the shroud, it's authenticity or lack of authenticity is always predicated by the latest technology. So it's radiocarbon dating or sophisticated CAT scans or PET scans or examination of fibers. So it changes all the time. It does seem to me that it, it does seem to me that the church's official exegesis, that this was the shroud, and because of the supernatural energy of the murdered Christ, it was emblazoned on this. That is as persuasive of any of the scientific that I've heard, because they always say it can't happen, the scientists do, and then they always find a new technology that give you parameters in which it could happen. Yeah, and they had some really good pictures. I've never seen it myself, but there is clearly a body on there. I've been deterrent and unfortunately it wasn't being. It wasn't there? It was while they were restoring. All right, and then we'd like to wish everybody happy Easter Sunday and Passover as well. Passover and Easter Sunday. Yeah, and I have some comments made, very quick ones. The first one is from LM Sullivan 1 and it says, Victor, President Trump posted this video on True Social. He is listening to you. So anything you can do to encourage him to continue to do right for we the people. What was the video? I don't know. I think it was yours and Jack's or or maybe probably more likely one of the shorter daily singles. That's good. Becky Tieg, 4407. Thank you, Jack and Victor. I love this show. Thank you for reminding us of where we came from and what our forefathers did. And then the last one is Jim Ray, 2281. Love hearing your thoughts, Victor. Still miss Rush and now Scott. We need your voice now more than ever. That was sweet. Yeah, I miss Rush. I keep saying that. Yeah. And then we lost Charlie Kirk and Rush earlier. Scott Adams. Scott Adams was very astute. They treated him so terribly to the council culture. He just, he said something that was explicit, but it wasn't necessarily actually correct. It's just the way that he was treated. I mean, he's talking about a high incident, I think of crime and he kind of went beyond that. And they, they, it was right during the transition of from me to to George Floyd and yeah, and they destroyed his life. Well, he didn't because he, he, we, we invented himself and he was very successful with his own platform. And he was very logical and analytical as was Rush. And then we lost people who they reinvented themselves like Tucker and to a lesser extent, Candice. I think she was where she always wanted to be, but Tucker, what he's saying now is very different than what he used to say on Fox. All right. Well, thank you for all your wisdom today. And thanks to our audience for choosing to join us on this Easter weekend. Thank you everybody. See you next time.