02-05-26 Part One - A Desperate Search

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You know, when you think about it, the abduction of kidnapping of Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy, you know, it's so when you think about it, it is so rare in this, you know, this time in history to have a kidnapping of kidnapping abduction of a, you know, a member of a celebrity's family. Right. You just don't see. Right. You know, kidnapping and the story continues to just create more questions. You know, you and I were talking about, you know, how all the media is using the word purported, you know, ransom letter. Right. Or the e-mails, I guess, that they actually what they are. Right. Yeah. And it's like, okay, you read one story, it says the sheriff has it, well, then it's not purported. Well, it's the question would be, is it, did it come from someone who's trying to pull a prank that's aware of the disappearance? Is it actually from the people who are responsible? And that, I guess, is why you're used, they're using in the media that language. It's the only thing I can figure is, is that, and the sheriff did say that they have shared the note with the family. And then the question would make, you know, okay, then the question from there would be, right, if you're sharing that with the family, does any of this information make sense? Is there anything in this note that rings true to you? Or is there, can you think of anybody who might want to do this? Because I think the thing they have to figure out about the note is, is it real? Is it from the people who are responsible or person responsible for her disappearance? Because, you know, at first, when we first heard, well, we're treating the home like a crime scene, it was, well, wait a minute, hold on a second. Now, quite often when they, if there's a missing persons, any missing persons report, you show up at a place and if things don't look right, then you have to preserve everything. And you treat it as a crime scene for that preservation purpose. You don't want to change anything about that scene at all to disturb any possible evidence in the event that a crime was committed. And then you got into the notes being sent to KOLD, TV, a local news station, and to TMZ. And according to the reports, it mentioned Bitcoin, it mentioned some details. But the sheriff said that the details, they will not share whether the details are actually accurate. And so you're like, okay, okay, because that's the one thing you look at for any of these things. You say, what's the motivation behind it? The motivation for kidnapping is always to gain some wealth because of it. Right, you're trying to get, you're trying to get something, you know, the ransom would be the point. And we all know that, you know, first thing I thought when I saw the whole, the Bitcoin thing was, is this a hoax? Right, yeah. Now, is this a hoax letter just sent by somebody who was aware of the disappearance? Right. Yeah. And then you treat it as if it's real for now, and you keep the details close to the vest because that communication with the person, if it turns out to be, the ransom notice from the person or person's responsible for the disappearance, you don't want to release the details because you need that communication for verification. You need those details to be part of the verification. If there's going to be any contact between authorities or the family and the kidnappers. And so you, we likely won't see anything else until this, until there's some kind of development. You know, we can only hope and pray she's brought home safely. The president posting just hours ago that he's going to make every resource available for local authorities to help find her and bring her home safely. He did call Savannah Guthrie and, and this was right after he had done an interview with NBC, but he called her personally to share his thoughts and support. And so now it's, you know, as you point out, this is extremely rare. And you, you don't, especially here in the US, it's rare that you see this. Ransoms happened in foreign countries where there is, you know, kidnappings of important people, known people, executives can happen in other countries when groups, criminal groups believe that they can get money. It does happen in other parts of the world, but happening here in the United States is extremely rare. And so it just makes you wonder, again, what's going on here. And, you know, one of the things is, is that Ms Guthrie featured her mom that happens with personalities on television. They will on Mother's Day or maybe a personal story to share that quite often happens. They share information about their family members. And so is this somebody who was aware of that? Is it somebody who didn't know her at all? But if it's somebody who's wanting a ransom, do they believe because of the house that she lived in or lives in? Do they believe, you know, again, it has to be a wealthy person. Do they have any idea she is who she is? And then if it's not a kidnapping, then what is it? Because if it's not a kidnapping, then you're looking at people who knew her and knew what her schedule was. And then you start looking at if you believe it was not a kidnapping, it was an abduction or a murder and then getting rid of the body, which then members of the family become persons of interest. Right. By the way, this is all hypothetical. Right. And generally speaking, I mean, in your talking about, I don't know, it was roughly a 12 hour period. She was dropped off Saturday night at 9.30 by your son-in-law and didn't show up for church the next morning. And the, you know, again, the question is, you know, who would want to do something like this? Did they know who she was? Did they know she was part of a wealthy family? Or did they maybe assume that because, again, of the house she lives in? And I just, you know, you look at crimes in general. And the question that always comes to my mind is how do people think they're going to get away with these things? In other countries where they pull off crime on a regular basis, it almost becomes a way of life. In the U.S., we have the most sophisticated law enforcement network combined on every level. If you think about it, and when they're all working together, you're likely not going to get away with anything, especially something high profile like this. And that's, you know, that's one of the things that I think we all look at. We say a kidnapping. Yeah. Wow. Okay. You think you're going to be able to get away, you know, with the kidnapping because there's so many variables when you do something like that. Right. And the other thing I thought of was when the family came out with their plea yesterday. Yeah. You know, talking if somebody has her. Right. Does that mean that they've discounted the purported, you use what the media is using, ransom note for Bitcoin? That that's not legitimate because now they're reaching out. So now they don't know it's a kidnapping, so they're just reaching out. Basically, if you have my mother, please, you know, release her, let us, you know, whatever. Well, they said something to the effect of we're ready to talk. Right. And so. Do you mean you haven't been contacted yet by? The question would be, is there anything in the note that says we will be contacting you or, you know, I mean, you're not going to be contacting you. You know, I mean, you would think if it were a ransom note that there would be some kind of instruction or directive in that ransom note that would give you an idea of when you would be contacted. But we're now going into Thursday. And she went missing sometimes Saturday night, Sunday morning. And the time is limited because she does have a medication. And it is something that is critical. It's a critical medication, so she needs that every day. And she's also not mobile. You know, this is she has limited mobility. So the question is, again. You know, was there a directive? Are they are they still unsure or maybe not putting much confidence into this. Email they received the ransom email, you know, I'm just, you know, looking, looking at, you know, well publicized kidnappings. And I'm just looking at the list here going back really the last, you know, major one that got so much here in the United States. There's there's more that happened outside the United States was Elizabeth smart in 2002. Yeah, just watch the documentary featuring Elizabeth smart in that documentary. She talked about everything. She talked about everything she went through. What an amazing person she is. And as a child was able to eventually, you know, and she's an adult now, but as a child, she was able to remember all of the important details. Who that eventually led to the conviction. And then the person's responsible. Then the most bizarre probably kidnapping of my life, which was, you know, looking back was Patty Hurst. Yeah, abducted by the Simony's Liberation Army back in 1974. Right. And then join them was arrested and then eventually pardoned. Right. That was most bizarre. And you look at a family member, you know, when you look at a family member of a celebrity for money. Yeah. You have to go, you know, really way back Frank Sinatra, Jr. back in 1963 held for $240,000 in ransom. Right. And was released after the payment. Right. So, I mean, that's how rare, you know, the, the, the kidnapping is and with, as I've always said, whenever I, whenever I have to travel, I go to the airport. I say to myself, well, I'm never going to commit a crime because I'm everywhere, you know, and this is going to the airport. And when you, you know, get to the gate and, you know, read your toll tag and says, hello Gary McNamara. And it's like, wow, with cameras and everything else, they can follow you in. And these things have didn't happen with the, with the alleged shooter of the healthcare executive. Didn't they follow Luigi? Yeah. Didn't they? Yeah. Luigi, didn't they follow him through, through cameras? Yeah, I think some of the, the, the, the public cameras that were, yeah. And the, you know, I think, I think about that when I'm leaving for work late at night, coming home early in the morning, I'm thinking, man, my name, my, all my neighbors doorbells camera doorbell cameras are all going off with me pulling up, you know, this time of day and everything else. And there, you know, it is the technology. You know, that often leads to the, the arrest of the people responsible, you know, the Elizabeth smart case. There were things in this new documentary on Netflix and, and she was being actually at some point, they were taking her caters were actually taking her to places right there in Salt Lake City. And she was in disguise. They put this cloak and this outfit over her, even a police officer approached them and said, I need you to lift the veil off of that young person's face to see if it's the girl we're looking for. And the captors actually convinced that police officer. No, because it's against our religion. You can't, we can't do that. And the officer back down. And, and that would have been the two people, the Mitchell and his wife, Brian Mitchell and then his wife. And, and the family actually wanted to put out information that they had gotten to the public and there was a sketch that was done. They wanted to put information out. They had a name. They had a nickname of the person they thought might be responsible. And the police at the time, the local police at the time said no, because then it could make the captors angry and the family got tired of waiting and they said, we're going to do it. And they went public with it and they had their own press conference and that eventually led to them finding her. But these cases, I mean, there's there's no telling the motivation. You know, when you mentioned cameras, I didn't even know that my neighbor put a camera that monitors, you know, the space in between our houses. Yeah. And the camera can see me coming out my front door. Yeah. And so when I started about a year ago, a lot of times I'll get up on a Saturday morning or Sunday morning at when it's dark out at 4am and ride my bike. Yeah. Well, I've got that the huge front light on it. Yeah. And I turned it on to my porch and when my neighbors woke up, they were like, there was somebody with the flag Gary, was that you? They messaged me. I said, Oh, wow. I said, I'm sorry. That's my headlight from my bicycle. A guy took a picture, by the way of Elizabeth Smart with her captor when they had gone into a bar. The captor wanted a beer, I guess. And but she had her veil on. So there's a picture of her standing with her captor while she's being held captive that whole time. I mean, it's it's wild. We are right. I radio brought to you by hotshot secret. Hi, I'm Jen Loomis, a transport safety expert at JJC. At a roadside inspection, inspectors may ask to see supporting documents. These documents can include bills of lighting, itineraries, schedules or equivalent documents that indicate the origin and destination of each trip. They can also include dispatch or trip records, expense receipts related to on duty slash not driving periods, electronic mobile communication transmitted through a fleet management system and payroll records, settlement sheets or equivalent documents that indicate payment to a driver. Drivers using paper logs must also keep toll receipts. 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Doesn't give a specific name, but says, you know, unprecedented, again, cooperation, which infuriates them. But I don't think right now they know how to respond to them. I believe they will. And it will be vicious as everything always is. I don't think it's going to stick though. We're shaping what America will be in the future. We're going to bring the righteous media, five eyes, independence, integrity, information, inspiration and impact. Join the movement, independent Americans from believe. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. And he is here crawling on Gary McNamara. Welcome and good morning. Download our red eye radio app today and you can listen when and where you choose. All right. This this ad I saw on X yesterday and I was thinking to myself, the Republicans should be spending tons of money running this ad. Yeah. And here it is. All right. Democrats on common sense immigration. All right. Here we go. I'm going to play the ad. All right. Democrats used to believe that border security and immigration enforcement were just common sense ideas. Don't believe it. Take their word for it. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked. We've had 5 million undocumented workers come over the borders. It has become an extraordinary problem. All Americans, not only in the state's most heavily affected, but in every place in this country are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. And we must do more to stop it. Yes or no? Would you allow the cities to ignore the federal law? No. Any city should listen to the Department of Homeland Security. The city made a mistake not to deport someone that the federal government strongly felt should be deported. Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay. We do not think the comprehensive health care benefits should be extended to those who are undocumented workers and illegal aliens. We do not want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration. People say, well, why can't you stop illegal immigrants from coming here? And the number one answer we give is when they come here they can get jobs, get benefits against the law because of fraud. Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Open borders. You're doing away with the concept of a nation state. Our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable. For decades, these weren't controversial or radical ideas. The only thing that changed is them. Yeah, there you go. That should be played over and over again. Yep. You know, we've often said this, it boggles our minds that we've said this for a significant period of time. How long, I just, I don't know, whether it's a decade or 15 years, 20 years. But each and every year it gets easier to defend conservative principles. And every year it seems as if the Republicans get worse at it. Yeah, you know, it's so frustrating because you and I over the years have watched them have a, just a massive door open for them that they could drive a truck through and not take advantage of it. And then miss every opportunity on very simple communication. I, I don't know, I don't know how you, I don't know how you force them to do that. I don't, I don't know what motivates them. What are you afraid of? It should be every day, all day, the communication, just like what you just heard. Remember the late Harry Reid, I don't know if he was in there in that, in one of those clips. No. The late Harry Reid, Senator in Nevada. And so, I mean, he was, I think it was as late as 2015. He was saying, we need stronger barriers on the border. He was promoting a wall. Those are the things that are very easy because the internet exists. And now with AI, you can just go to your phone and say, Hey, AI, find all the clips of Democrats. Being anti illegal immigration. They'll put the AI will put the ad together for you. It couldn't be easier. And yet they don't do it. The messaging right now is pretty clear on affordability. That's an uphill game for the Republicans. There's, there's, there's some issues. On everything else, including the border, you win all day long. And somehow they just don't do it for whatever reason they don't. And it's frustrating. You know, you've got to go to, you know, other conservative interest groups to do your homework for you. Why, why is that the case? Why does that also seem to be that, you know, the, the, the Republicans or the right will just latch onto a group that, that seems to be doing well. I mean, you know, Charlie Kirk's turning point. If you think of turning point, you know, it's like the Republicans woke up to issues and Charlie was out there doing it every day on campuses. Every day debating young people every day. And then it's like they woke up to it going, Oh yeah, well, we need to be a part of it. Why aren't you doing it? The ideas are every, anybody can understand the ideas. You don't need to follow anybody's lead. Turning point can do it and you can do it, but they don't. And, and I don't get it. I really don't get it. There, there doesn't seem to be an effort from the Republicans. And maybe there is, we don't, we don't see it. That's the point we're trying to make, but an effort to market the things that they believe that have landslide numbers with the American public and pound it over and over again. Think about, you know, right, you know, right there, what we played. You know, you and I haven't really, you know, I look at it on any major issue. The only thing that where I've evolved over the years, and that's just from witnessing how government works. The federal government works is I've become more libertarian. I believe that the federal government should be involved in fewer things and more should go back to the states. That's really about it though, but on, on the, on where I stand on the issues, I don't think I've changed since I articulated in my mind when I first got into talk radio, which I have to do, which would have been in my, my, my 30s. That when I, you know, when I articulated what's always been in my head, but I never articulated publicly, I haven't changed really at all on any of those issues at all none. And you see what the Democrats are doing. And so you should be throwing it out there every day, marketing it every single day. You know, the Republicans right now a lot in the fundraising have a, you know, have a huge advantage. But donors, if they saw that their money was being used effectively and they knew you were winning on your message with your ads, they would continue to do it. And you could continue that lead over the Democrats in fundraising. Yeah. But, well, okay, give us money to do this. Why? How are you going to use it? Right. You know what? I need, I need to make sure it's effective, you know, before you do it. That ad is effective. Because you're seeing all these people were when these things were the, those audio cuts were taken were well into their 40s and 50s. They didn't change their mind. They still believe the same thing. Yeah. They didn't change their, you know, it's like Obama never changed his mind on gay marriage. He was always for gay marriage. Right. He didn't grapple. He lied to the American public on what he thought about gay marriage because of the politics of it. And the same thing here with immigration, illegal immigration issues. They believe that they shouldn't be here, but politically they want to do everything they possibly can to have a legal's vote. Yeah. That's absolutely clear now. Oh, yeah. If there's anything that's come out of the last two weeks, because if you said that even six months ago, you're a conspiracy theorist. You know, you know, you're putting out conspiracy theories. It's wrong. It's reprehensible. It's racist to say that. And then who wasn't what Democrat came out a couple of weeks ago and basically said the same. Oh, what Democrat came out and talked about. It was a senator, I think came out and talked about ice and election, you know, polling places and the Democrats are still out there screaming about it. The average person says, why would that be a problem? Well, it might keep people from voting. Not American citizens. Right. What's your point? So all these radical points that they have, my God, I mean, listen to them talk about over the last couple of days. Voter, voter ID, photo voter ID. Jim Crow 2.0 and Eric pointed out, oh, that was Georgia. This has to be 3.0. That's right. But they've been pounding that for 30 years. Yeah. And the polling has gone in the opposite direction. I actually looked at the polling. I actually did that yesterday. Look at the polling. It was like 76%, 78%, 79%. Now it's 83%. As much as they've been screaming racism, racism, racism, it doesn't work. And it's up to the Republicans to explain all of these issues and continue to do it in a very, you know, these issues aren't complicated. You're here illegally. You shouldn't vote. Right. It's not like trying to figure out what you want in a Fed chair for the average person. And if you're going to vote, you need to have a photo ID. Yeah. Pretty simple. So, so there's not fraud. No, no. Why not? Because it's racist. No landslide number of minorities believe photo ID is a good thing. Look, you've already got 83% on your side. You're only trying to, you're only work is 17% of the people. And you're not going to get them. Nope. You continue to market it to keep what that, then again, for everything that's happened and the fact that Trump backs it and it's gone just from a few years ago, 76% to 83%. It's moving the opposite way. Democrats aren't buying what Democrats are trying to sell. No, they're not minorities that have traditionally voted more Democrat over the last few years. Over the last 50, 60 years, you're not convincing them. They're moving in the opposite direction. They don't buy what you're saying. They look at it and say, sorry, you know, you're, this is self-evident. One of those issues is self-evident. Voter ID ensures there's no fraud. I want my vote to count. Well, the issues right now are so basic, are so easy to make the point on. You don't, there's not a lot of math there, there just isn't. You don't have to go out of your way and break it down into long form discussions. It's very simple. And there's only one reason the Democrats would be against it. They're okay with fraud. They want fraud. They want fraud in elections. There is no other reason. By process of elimination, as we went through yesterday, why are you doing this? It makes no sense. Politically, it doesn't make any sense. Why are you doing it? Because you're desperate for votes and you want illegal immigrants to vote. Because there's no other reason. Nobody buys that it's racist. Nobody buys that it's Jim Crow. No one. Not even the radical left that claims it's racist. They know it's not racist. They just want illegals to vote. By process of elimination, there is no other reason. Right. And they're the ones screaming foreign influence on elections. We are Red Eye Radio. We'll be right back with more Red Eye Radio with Eric Carly and Gary McNamara. We are Red Eye Radio. He is here. Carly and I'm Gary McNamara. Did you see the story of the Minneapolis City Council delays of liquor license renewal for two downtown hotels housing ICE agents? Yeah. See, this is the problem with, you know, when you look at government and how they will liberal the far left, and this is what you're dealing with now. How you are doing something that's completely lawful. Completely lawful. And they wish to punish you for it. Right. Yep. They don't like what you're doing. So, okay, it's a, it's a, not a right. It's a privilege. And therefore we will revoke that privilege from you. Mm-hmm. Top of the hour news is brought to you by How's Products. Visit Howproducts.com. This is Red Eye Radio on Westwood One. Whether you're off to the big match, enjoying a trip to the coast to catch up with friends, or exploring some incredible history with your family. Oh, what is it? With up to a third off most rail travel, a rail card can help you save on train journeys all around Great Britain. 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Oh, Mark Mitchell from Rashmussen polling had an op-ed piece of the New York Post. Really interesting because it mirrors a lot of what we have said about the failures of this administration. Mark Mitchell, a Trump fan. Would you agree? Yeah. It's interesting because he put out the op-ed piece on a day when Trump hid his lowest number, tied for his lowest number in Rashmussen polling, which is a Republican pollster basically, at 43%. So we will get to that here in just a little bit. But we do want to play, I say I because I pushed the button, but Eric wants it too. I don't care if we play it. Just part of the press conference. Play it or not. Yesterday the Tom Holman held in Minneapolis and I'm playing it because Eric doesn't want to hear it. I don't care. Here we go. During my press conference last week, I reported I had productive discussions with various state and local officials, including Governor, Attorney General, Mayor Frye, and law enforcement officials about increasing coordination in a lawful way between the county jails and ICE to avoid public safety threats being released back in the community. While we had our differences, one thing was clear. We all committed to public safety for all who live in the Twin Cities. We have made significant progress under the direction of President Trump, working with state and local officials here in Minnesota, and I expect that to increase in the coming weeks. We continue to have discussions. I'll have discussions this afternoon. We currently have an unprecedented number of counties communicating with us now and allowing ICE to take custody of illegal aliens before they hit the streets. Unprecedented cooperation. Now say it again. This is efficient. It requires only one or two officers to assume custody of a criminal alien target rather than eight or ten officers going into the community and arresting that public safety threat. This frees up more officers to arrest or remove criminal aliens. More officers taking custody of criminal aliens directly from the jails means less officers on the street doing criminal operations. This is smart law enforcement, not less law enforcement. It's safer for the community, safer for the officers, and safer for the alien. This coordination also makes it far more safe for the Twin Cities. Arresting a public safety threat in the safety and security of a jail is the safest thing we could do. Further less public safety risks are being released back into the communities reduces recidivism. The local law enforcement can direct their limited resources to other public safety matters in the community. This is another priority of President Trump. The state prisons already cooperated with ICE on this coordinated transfer of custody and we thank them for that partnership and we plan to do more with them. I also want to reiterate and emphasize we are not requiring jails to hold people past their normal release time for immigration purposes. We're not asking anyone to be an immigration officer. We are not asking any state or local official to do immigration enforcement activity. We are not by merely notifying us before they release them. They don't hold them one minute past they normally would. Given this increase in unprecedented collaboration and as a result of the need for less law enforcement officers to do this work in a safer environment, I have announced effective immediately we will draw down 700 people affected today. 700 law enforcement personnel. We have also fully integrated CBP personnel into the ICRO team structure under one unified chain of command. Not two chains of command. There will be one chain of command here. Any large enforcement operation I have ever been involved with, there is one chain of command and that's where we are moving forward. During my press conference last week I announced that moving forward ICE will be conducting targeted immigration enforcement operations. Like ICE has traditionally done for decades. Based on reasonable suspicion to question and detain. ICE will conduct these operations and transnational criminal organization investigations with a focus on national security and public safety. I want to be clear. Just because you prioritize public safety threats don't mean we forget about everybody else. We will continue to enforce the immigration laws in this country. To help execute this we have developed and implemented a multi agency search task force within an operational framework that clarifies lines of effort. Integrated enforcement. Investigate them and special response efforts. A unified joint operations center has been established to manage all operations and ensure efforts aligned with priorities of the mission. This reorganization also enables ICE to leverage joint intelligence capabilities to effectively target threats as well as to reduce overall personal footprint. And enhance public safety and confidence in the agencies capabilities and presence here. So he really covered everything there. And he said again later on he said just because you're not a criminal if you're here illegally it doesn't mean you're off the hook. Right. So he covered everything. I think somebody on MSNBC I think I saw something yesterday where they took off on him and tried to call him Hitler or whatever. But you think about it everything that he has said there. Where he wins is when he says we have had unprecedented cooperation from counties now in Minnesota. And we've got cooperation from the state. And we're improving the cooperation in the city. Everything that he said there and this every time like when he was talking yesterday and I'm watching this I'm thinking to myself. I really believe that the White House and I use Stephen Miller as the point person because he's the one that probably was in the media the most. I believe that they thought that the confrontations in the street would actually move Americans to their side. I don't believe that Holman has ever thought that. And I say that because Holman has been doing this for decades. As we all know he was he was highly decorated under the Obama administration. And there is nobody out there that can look on the right and say, Oh this guy's wimping out. Right. Yeah. And I really I you and I have said this change that happens so quickly we believe is pole driven inside polls in the Republican Party and in the White House. That they looked at it and said it can happen and behind the scenes. I wonder how much Holman was not in agreement with how they were doing it. Well, we know that he wasn't running the show for sure. Right. He didn't have the influence that he has now. And now he's running the show. And so that that leads me to believe that they they didn't see eye to eye on the way it was going before. The way that he said he reports directly to the president. Yeah. Means that no Mazada loop and Miller's out of the loop. Right. Not that Miller had any authority. Right. Yeah. But the fact is they want that marketed that he alone is responsible for what's going on in Minnesota and he reports directly to the president. Right. And the way that he's talking about it is that he's not only talking about what the borders are that's that's going to be it. But you know you think about his experience but also his approach. What you just heard in terms of his approach was the language of law enforcement. You and I have talked about this. On many occasions. About how. Other people don't speak that language apparently. James Comey comes to mind. And he was. Holman always has been clear and direct. And it's all about the job. The job at hand. Clearing out those 700 agents in in one day. That still leaves according to some counts 2300 agents in in that city. Right. But. But he also followed up with was all under one command. There won't be any. That's the way it should be. There shouldn't be any mixed messages. There should be one command. Then when you've got a large and that's a pretty large presence still. After the 700 leaving still a large presence. You have to have one command. Because there has to be the one approach. And that's what you're seeing here. I don't know what's happened. But something has happened and it's likely internals that are coming back. I don't know who got the president's ear over the last week. But somebody did. And it's it's it's clear on a number of fronts on this one. It is. But on a number of issues. There has been a very different tone. And. If the internals are coming back, you know, the question is, okay, do you believe the internals? Or that's they they live and die by the internals. Traditionally, the question would be specifically does this particular president believe internals and how much weight does he put into him? Or is it somebody? Susie Wiles or somebody else that is that has his ears on a number of issues. It's not just what's going on with ice. But there are a number of issues here where the tone has changed. And it's been very clear. And. Look, you're you're in you're into February now. You're well into the midterm season. And there has to be focus on on November. You're you're going to need your party to get your agenda done in the second half of your second term. And that's what it comes down to. And. Affordability not withstanding you win on on most every other issue. Here's Jonathan Turley. Here's what he wrote. I love Tom Homan. He consistently thanking Governor Wals and other Democratic leaders for their unprecedented cooperation in helping seize targets in their jails for protesters opposing any cooperation. It is the equivalent of getting kissed by Marlon Brando. And then he has a clip from the movie, The Freshman with Matthew Broderick and Marlon Brando. And then he writes, the last thing that Wals Ellison and Fry want is a BFF best friend forever shout out from the borders are next step actual BFF rings. And then he has a link where you go to Amazon to get a BFF ring. That's funny. And that's that's the beauty of it. Where do you go? Right. You're saying we have the cooperation. Right. And that's why right now is a perfect time to be pounding, pounding that ad that we played earlier, showing Schumer and Clinton and Obama and absolutely no, there's no exceptions. Illegal immigrants cannot be here. Right. They cannot be here. Right. And you take the combination of both. One of the things that Democrats have done successfully is make up stuff and repeat it over and over and over again. Yeah. Yeah. Hitler fascist, you know, fascist, all that. They repeat it. It's completely untrue, but they repeat it over and over and over and over and over again. Now it doesn't necessarily work. It's not working on photo ID. Right. And so you just keep talking in regular language to the people in simple terms. This is what we're doing. And we're getting unprecedented cooperate because when you do that. Well, he's telling the truth. They are getting it. Yeah. And then what do the protesters do? Who are they angry at? Holman? Are they angry at the state of Minnesota and the counties now cooperating in unprecedented fashion? And Holman can say that because he was a part of the Obama administration too. They gave him an award. Yeah. Yeah. That's when he was at the executive level. He got an award from Obama. Obama loved Tom Holman. Yep. 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Well, it's, it was apparent. And one of the things you have to consider that you have to remember is that the person doesn't have to be in a high profile position within any department or whatever. There are activists that are everywhere. I mean, we've seen the stories on a couple of nurses here recently that decided they were going to take their activism to their jobs. My gosh. And so then, you know, you have to think within the government. Well, of course there are activists out there. And it was clear when it came to some of the ice raids that some leaks were happening. It even helps you make sense of risk and return. Monzo, the bank that gets your money moving. You could get back less than you invest. Monzo current account required UK residents 18 plus T's and C's apply. This is your latest project. It's heavy with information, data and exactly 36 pages of waffle. 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You know, when you're in, when you think about it, for the most part, I mean, not over the last 20, 25 years and in a lot of smaller towns, you had second newspapers that were gone in the late 70s, early 80s. If they were two newspaper town, you saw, I mean, this is something that's been going on for almost half a century. Yeah. And it comes to it. The newspaper business is how long will how long will it last was pointed out yesterday with the actual, you know, facts of their their bottom line. The New York Times and the Washington Post. Excuse me. The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal making a profit. You have so many other newspapers that are not, I saw a lot of, it was interesting, but about the sports section being gone and a lot of older guys like me talking about how horrible it is that the sports section is gone. And I think that comes from the nostalgia that I had. You know how I really learned math? How I learned, you know, decimal points and percentages was from the sports page. When I was a kid, I didn't care about math class. But what's he batting? 333. What does that mean? Hmm. You know, all the statistics, all the percentages. And but when, when I was growing up again, growing up in, in Buffalo, there were two newspapers of Buffalo news and the courier express. I think the courier express went out of business in late 1982. And I knew somebody who, I remember somebody who got a job there who I knew from the neighborhood, Eric Brady, who then ended up at the USA today after the courier express went under and he had a long career. And then you might remember, I talked about him on the show because he was the one that wrote that hit piece on, on Kavanaugh. Remember the hit piece we talked about it that day and I said, look, I know this guy who did I know, I played Sam lot football with him. And he wrote a hit piece. Well, interestingly enough, I was at the Buffalo airport one day and I, and I wrote something and we were, we had been Facebook friends and this was probably six months after I criticized him and really went after him for what he did because it was a, it was a hit job. This is where he was saying that Kavanaugh shouldn't be, you know, because of the allegations should be thrown out of being, remember, I think he was a coach. Yeah, he was a coach somewhere. And, and I met the Buffalo airport getting ready to come back after, you know, visiting dad. And I forgot, I had posted something. I forgot what it was about. Next thing you know he messes with me and says, where are you, you know, and this is early in the morning goes where he said, where are you? I said, I'm at the airport. I'm flying back to Dallas and he said, well, since you're formerly from Buffalo, and he was writing for them, you know, I think he was living in Washington. He was writing as an independent columnist, whatever. He wasn't actually working for them. He was probably 1099 1099. And I said, yeah, if you want to, but we got to talk about something else and I brought it up to him, the hit piece is very quiet about it goes, well, that's for another time. And just wanted to interview me and then use me in the interview and wasn't, you know, was fair as to what I said, because normally I don't like doing those kind of interviews. But I actually said, I'll do the interview because I wanted to tell him what he did for about Kavanaugh was wrong. But I remember when he got hired by USA Today, but that was the beginning for me. And, and I remember, you know, the I can tell you the names of the sports writers that I grew up, you know, reading and it meant everything to me. I didn't care about the front page when I was a kid. All I cared about was the sports page and right to the sports page. And I think that's more nostalgia from we old guys. You're not going to return to that in newspapers. The internet has taken over, you know, people talk about the radio business overall, but the radio business compared to the listenership of 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago is still there. The problem with the radio industry was debt. People bought radio companies for way over what they were worth. Now, every business changes and formats change and taste change. And yes, for example, in, you know, for us, you know, we have radio audience, but you also podcasting as a part of it. You know, recording shows, playing them as podcast has become more popular because you want to have more of a reach. But radio listenership really is not down that much compared to what's happening in newspapers. It was really the debt load that heard radio in the United States. Well, and video didn't kill the radio star because no, those MTV VJs, the ones that survived are now doing radio. Yes, ironically, they are video. And so, but radio is an anomaly in the in the media that hasn't been affected as much by technology by, by, you know, the change in technology and the internet. In fact, it's become something. You can stream radio, you know, the same as you can, you know, listening to whether it's recorded or live. Right. And, and it's, it's portable. But as you look for the Washington Post, it was simple. They didn't. And the New York Times still, still is making a profit because the New York Times is delivering what the audience wants. And that's political activism. Yeah. And so when you had that going on at the post for such a long time, you had a, you know, a decreasing audience, but a much more loyal audience that wanted the leftist political activism. That's what they demanded. And when Bezos took over and said, you know, look, we're losing listen, we're losing readers all the time. We've got to change something up. And then when they refused to make the endorsement for Biden, well, then you lost a significant portion of your audience that was willing to pay for it. They were willing to pay for it because they were waiting for your political activism. Yeah. Now, what you do to save the Washington Post, I don't know. You know, you look at when you look at the two big monsters that are still making a profit, it's in the New York Times, which is delivering the far left political activism that their readers want. And the Wall Street Journal, which is making a, I think, yeah, I think they're all making a, the overall company who owns Wall Street Journal again, I forgot. I got mine. Oh, it's, what's the name of Murdoch? Murdoch. Yeah. Fox. And, and, you know, so, but the Wall Street Journal itself is actually making a profit. Yeah. I only, I only go through two paywalls that I've personally paid for. There's others we've been allowed in because we're in the media, but there's only two and that's I pay for the Wall Street Journal and I pay for National Review. And National Review is not close to being as massive as the Wall Street Journal, but they are the one place where conservatives meet. And it's the ideology of what's a conservative that's being talked about all the time. They cover the current events, but they debate each other, which is really, really healthy. And to me, that's worth as a radio talk show host having. And the Wall Street Journal, the reason I'm still there is because of their editorial page, not necessarily the news division, but you and I all the time because of the cost of having that even online is pretty expensive. The Wall Street Journal. Yeah. Yeah, I have to take out a loan every month. But when this goes back about two years ago, where my, when my father, when he was still reading newspapers, drop the Buffalo News because they wanted it delivered to the home and whatever was like $1,000 a year. Yeah, no. And they went, I'm done. Yeah. And I really thought because in my in my culture from first reading a newspaper, whatever age that was to being in my 60s, you know, probably 10 years ago, when the shift really happened to the Internet. And I remember thinking to myself, I'm not going to be able to, I don't know, it's going to be too much of a culture shock for me not to have those newspapers accessible to me every day. I was wrong. I have access to more information because of the Internet and what I choose to get that I've ever had before. Well, for me, these days, a paper newspaper, a print version would be just the next thing I'm looking to throw away. I mean, it's who made, oh, Mitch Hedberg. He said, a flyer. When somebody hands you a flyer, it's like they're telling you, hey, you throw this away. I think the same way of, of print newspapers these days. I don't have the patience. I wouldn't, if you gave me a, I can't remember the last time I held one in my hands. But if you gave me, oh, I do actually, we use some for my wife's garden. But if you gave me one to read, to go through, that would seem so tedious. And it used to be the opposite. It used to be that reading something online was tedious. And now my brain is just, I mean, in fact, everything is through my phone. I got out my laptop the other day at the office at home. And, and I had my laptop open and I was like, this seems archaic. We have, we have desktops and here in the studio, but still everything I do, 90% of my research I do is on my phone. Same with me. And everything that I'm reading is on my phone. You know, my wife is always, don't you need to take a break? Give your eyes a break. Give your eyes a break. I'm like, no, I can't take a break. I'm reading. I'm working. It is like a drug. I can almost say I'm addicted. There's so many, there's so many new sources out there that on one issue, I'll read 15, 20 different sources. Well, and we were asking the question, in fact, about the Savannah Guthrie's mom and in that case. And that's one example where the different sources have, if they have different information and they write it differently. I have 20 questions after reading each of those articles because of the way it was written or what they didn't include. And so I have to keep going. And that's kind of the addictive nature of it is that I'm looking. I've got a question in my mind about, okay, but what about this? They didn't include this. They're not saying this. And, but that happens with so many stories. But even between like the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post, which are very different publications. You know, if you're, if you're talking about the Epstein files, you know, Wall Street Journal, the accused, blah, blah, blah. If the New York Post agreed, the perv said, you know, but, but still there's also different information that you have to kind of extract from each source. So just think about this though. When TMZ has more credibility in breaking news and many in the mainstream media. And when the New York Post that, that many times writes, you and I bring the headlines or the stories to you, when that when, when the New York Post in their tabloid style is viewed as more credible, there's a change. Yeah, definitely. We are running radio. We'll be right back with more red eye radio with Eric Carly and Gary McNamara. We are running radio. He's Eric Carly and I'm Gary McNamara. So why did the Washington Post lay off a third of their employees? As National Review points out in 2025, the post print circulation fell below 100,000 for the first time in 55 years. It's digital traffic has recently collapsed relative to the paper's chief competitor, the New York Times, the paper lost 77 million in 2023 and 100 million in 2024. The companies that own the Times and the Wall Street Journal, meanwhile, are both earning record profits. There you go. Yeah, that's a that's a sinking ship. This is red eye radio on Westwood One. The Dan Boncino show. Damn, I missed you all. I've got so much content bottled up my head. I got a lot of stuff. This is the kind of stuff. It's real. May not view this anywhere else. Hard truth. There's a lot of stuff to talk about that you think is going to open a lot of eyes and a lot of ignoranuses are going to get shut down. In a bold perspective, no one else can offer. They are freaking out. It's the comeback everyone's been waiting for. Lovers, haters, friends, supporters, detractors, you're all welcome. I want to hear it all. The Dan Boncino Show. Follow and listen on your favorite platform.