I had a dream about Kobe. That's how you know it was a dream. We're having a shooting contest, but Billy Crystal was hosting it. So, you know, I'm dreaming. You know what I'm saying? He looked back at me and said, hello. The afterlife is not what people make it up to be. What's up, guys? Mystic Zach here. Welcome back to episode 15 of Double Coverage. Today I'm joined by LA Legend. Nah, nah, that's too much. Two-time champion. That's a fact. Former NBA Sixth Man of the Year. That's a fact. My guy. What's up, bro? Mr. Lamar Odom. Hello. How you doing, bro? What's good? I'm chilling, man. LA Legend's fair. I've walked around with you in LA. Everyone recognizes you pretty much. I don't know if that'd make you a legend. You play with Kobe. I did play with Kobe. You helped get him two championships, you know? Yeah, to the best of my ability. Yeah. Anyone who... I learned a lot from Duke, bro. Definitely learned a lot from Duke. If you were in the trenches with Cope, I think you're a legend. I hear that. I get that. Bill Jackson, the whole nine yards. Yeah. Yeah, I got the whole zen in me. Yeah. The whole lesson. I learned how to manifest and meditate. you know if you got 12 or 15 young men meditating towards the same goal you've seen the results meditation is like a form of prayer right so definitely learned a lot from Phil and Embiid we were talking about it earlier but you got thrown into the spotlight for national basketball at such a young age you were there the first game played. We're literally right by Staples Center, now Crypto Arena. I was 19. Yeah, 99. As a matter of fact, my number one boost at UNLV, he was friends with a guy that was in the steel business. And this was 1997. And he says, look, Lamar, I want to show you this blueprint I got for this building I'm about to build. they want to call it staple center. And I wound up, you know, having a good game in my first game. I don't know if we won or lost, but I lost a lot of games with the Clippers. Yeah. And, yeah, I lost a lot of games with the Clippers, and I was always, like, looking over, thinking about how I would be playing on the other side. And then, you know, I played one year with Miami, and then my agent gave me a call. I had to okay the trade to come here back to L.A., but that was an easy choice for me because I got an actual signing bonus and I knew I was going to be playing with Bean Bryant, who I've known before the NBA. And I was going to be able to ride his coattail a little bit and play basketball at the highest level. You know, compete against the best and try to bust their ass. Because, you know, everybody, you know, the Lakers are purple and gold and our jerseys are popular and we've got probably the best city in the NBA according to what you want to do and how you want to go out. And it was a ride that I'll never forget. Absolutely. The only thing people, I think, really come back to, those old Clippers teams is Donald Sterling. He was a nut. Yeah. He was a nut. Yeah, I pray for people who have that mindset. The mentality. I think he got in trouble for using the N-word. Yeah, to sell the team. Yeah. That's too bad. He got way too much money to think like that. If you go down, Wilshire Boulevard, all you see is Donald Sterling buildings, Donald Sterling this, Donald Sterling that. You had a really strong season with Miami. That was a pretty blockbuster trade. I mean, you're involved, Shaq. Yeah, me and the two other players, Karam Butler and Brian Graham. You were the centerpiece, at least for what the Lakers were acquiring. Is that a compliment that you're involved in a trade for Shaq? I think so, if you're looking at it like a, you know, but I mean that Shaq, he was dominant. Yeah, that's Diesel. in his time. But, I mean, you could consider it. You know, sometimes I wonder, you know, what if I would have got three or four more years with Dwayne Wade? What could happen in that beautiful city? But, you know, you never know what's going to happen in life. All we could do is make the best of it. And, you know, L.A. always had open arms for me and treated me well because of the way I performed with the Clippers. But even in my greatest times with the Clippers, sometimes I feel a little regret to the people in L.A. because I was cutting them short. I couldn't be myself if I was running home. So I think about all the plays I could have made or should have made. You know, but, you know, that time has passed, and it's time for me to move on and move forward and live my best life now as we speak. You had that point forward, Bill, that we see all over the NBA today, 6'9", with a handle, can pass, can shoot. Yeah, I think, you know, that was a blessing from God to be able to be my height and still maintain his guard attributes. It's always the way I play basketball, through the eyes of a point guard, no matter what position I play. I was really blessed to pick up on the game and understand it and have a high IQ. I basically know the responsibility for every position on the court because I played them and I played hard. And it was all a learning experience. But being from New York City, you know, if you don't handle the ball, if you don't got no shakes in your game, then... And I remember I went to high school. I started high school, I was 6'3". And my sophomore season, I was 6'7". So, yeah, I mean, a lot of people would have probably changed their game because of that, but the strength of my game was my height and my handle, as they call it, and my ability to make a play. But my ability to make a play for others, you know, and that started in the park, you know, to get on the court. I was 10, I was 5'10". And I was playing 15 and under. How old were you? 10. Yeah, I was 5'10 when I was 10 years old. And I remember going to the park and, you know, lying about my age, telling everybody I was 12. That was just to get on the court. But, you know, once I got on the court, I earned respect. Now, I think it was because I understood the science of basketball. It's not rocket science, but there's a science to it. And that's what I was trying to perfect or be the best at, having an all-around game. I think when we talk about handling, especially being a big man in the NBA, I think I probably had to be, if you consider me a big man, probably at the end I probably was the, I don't want to toot my own horn, but I don't know a big man that was using his. No. shaking ability to make his defender move so he can go straight. So I guess you could probably say I'm going to have the big man and have the best handle probably ever in the NBA. Like you said, I see a lot of 6'9", 6'10 guys, and they give them the ball and let them do their thing now. And I can say I see myself in all of those guys just a little bit. Yeah, positionless basketball today. I mean, there's one guy who's 7'5". You look at Wimmy Wama, right? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he probably took some Lamar Odom on his book. Yeah. But he's special. I mean, if he stays healthy, is there anything stopping him from just being the best ever? Well, if there's one person that I would pay to watch right now is him. When his games come on, I notice I always find the TV. So I would say because how he plays and who he plays for. San Antonio, they're going to play the right way. Even though I think he's floating a little bit out to the three-point line a little bit. But, you know, that's the Steph Curry curse. His greatness, you know, hurt the game. But it's not his fault. But I know if I get a kid right now, 10 years old, eight years old, nine years old, from wherever, and I give him a basketball and we go to the park, he's probably going to shoot the ball from the furthest part of the court. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, that's due to Steph Curry's greatness. He was amazing. He's amazing still. And I hope kids, you know, just not learning from him, you know, shooting, I hope they watch how he moves without the basketball. That's what he said the other day. Like, if you're a kid playing basketball and you're calling for the ball, like, that's whack. Yeah. I hope that he learns, you know, they learn that part of the game. That's another science part of the game. And how he takes care of his body and just the conditioning it takes. He's 37 years old running around the court all game. I mean, no one does more than him. Nah. I mean, the NBA is really kind of hard for me to watch. Like a random game, everybody play the same way. Yeah. I'm tired of seeing a dribble handoff to a pick and roll. No format. But, you know, that's the way the game is. It's got to change with the times, right? Yeah, I think it's got to change with the times. But, I mean, triangle offense won 10 NBA championships. What made Phil so special? Was it the system, the triangle offense? Was it his ability to manage personalities? Well, I think, you know, every coach, I think, to be successful, that's one of the things that you have to, you know, learn the most, you know, have the most common sense of. You got, you know, 12 or 15 guys on your team in the locker room and managing personality is very important. You know, Phil used to give us a book, you know, books before the season. He expected you to read it. And his mental approach. Like I was telling you before, we meditated together as a team. Meditation is a form of prayer. It's really strong. It definitely brought us together. It was something that a lot of us heard, but we didn't really expect it until we got in it. Yeah. And it made a lot of sense when you think about it, though. And he used to bring a specialist, a mindful specialist, to come teach us manifestation and meditation right around playoff time. His name was George Mumford. I think he got some books out, too. So if you want to get a good book, try to exercise your brain, exercise your mind. You know, he was a good guy. And it showed. We won game seven being long-time rivals right across the street. And that was a beautiful night Because it I mean first he manages Rodman Pippen Jordan all together Then he goes to LA Bright Lights Artest Yeah I mean Those are strong personalities There crazy stuff going on too. Like you're filming a reality show later on. Yeah. I mean. Kobe's Kobe. Yeah. I'm probably the only person, the sports figure that was able to film a successful reality show while in season. That was the year I won six minutes a year. And some people be thinking things are, you know, unattainable or that you can't do them, but with the support of the Lakers and Jeannie and Dr. Buss, God bless the dead, they okayed it, and I was able to pull that off. The cameras was always rolling. from timeless wake up to practice to I'm ending my night. It was worthwhile. I think my connection with that family still gives me some... What's the word I'm looking for? Some social notability. You know, even to this day. And that was a blessing as well. Absolutely. Do you think it maybe motivated you a little bit more? I think so. Just because people thought that I couldn't do it or people probably were expecting me to, you know, to fail, for me to fall off a little bit on the court. So it kind of kept a fire lit under my ass. Yeah. And, you know, the fire that I always had to play basketball, I knew, and especially in L.A., there was strong media, almost as strong as New York. And I didn't want to get ripped, you know, looking up the paper every day, like, oh, I'm trying to, you know, get off the show or whatever people may say. It definitely acted as if I had another coach, basically. It definitely pushed me in the right way. But no matter what the coaching style is or who's coaching, I think because how I was raised, I'm able to adapt. I like to listen. I love to learn. And I'm not going to be disrespectful, especially when somebody's trying to make me or his team better. I hear a lot of the generation now, they got the bad reputation for being uncoachable. I can say to all those young guys, you're probably good, but my generation, I can say Kobe Bryant was probably the best generational player of my generation. You know. I mean, so he had 81 points. You know. Nine game wins one season. Walk off. Three, two, one. We win. We had nine of them in one season. And I remember this ninth one. We were in Milwaukee. and I remember him being on the back of the bus sitting right next to me and Derek Fisher. And you know how sometimes after a game, your adrenaline is still running, still flowing. And he was just mumbling, I'm better than Mike. I'm better than Mike. I was looking at him like, you're bugging. But, you know, that's how competitive he was. Because a lot of players, that was a race that they wouldn't want to run, even with a head start. And, you know, from playing with them and being in the trenches with them, like you said, you know, he made that a goal. And so a lot of people say he even came close to it. and I think you've seen it in this play. I think the world's seen it in this play. I was talking to my friend about this the other day. The on-the-court responsibility. I'm playing in L.A. and I could say showing up every night. Every night. No matter what, he gave these people their money's worth. I mean, even his last game. Yeah, 60. Even when he hurt himself and couldn't play no more. Hit the free throws. He had an Achilles tendon injury. You know, and wherever he's at, he's not too far away. I think his sneaker might be the most worn sneaker in the NBA. Yeah. and we know we all know how popular jordan sneakers were so i could imagine uh what would be going on if he was still here what was your relationship like with him off the court amazing it was cool i was like uh you know there was one book that um that i was reading and uh was it i think it was his book might have been his book and he called me the glue on the team. I don't think that was the glue on the court. I think it was more like the glue, like the locker room. You know what I mean? Making sure everybody was laughing and in a good mood. Me just being myself seemed to ease people because he was always at 9.30 in the morning before. I don't know if you've ever seen this clip, but we about to jump ball and practice, and he just elbowed Joshua Vujicic in the chest like his own. And I think we all kind of adapted to that mentality a little bit. And he was the guy who always expected the best out of his teammates, didn't accept anything less. That's the mama mentality. Yeah. Because that's how he was living, for real. and he put it out all the time. Playing with him, you go into an arena, you're confident just because he's with you. Yeah. And that definitely made us all better and alert and bonded us. Probably those championship teams probably bonded us forever. We got a bond that's looking to be broken. shout out to anybody that was on my team at those times. We don't really see each other much, but they're always in my heart and my prayers and my mind. Absolutely. He ever get in your case about the candy or anything? Nah. Nah. We never really bumped heads about anything. After we bumped heads, it was about a play. You know what I mean? Maybe I wasn't paying attention or I wasn't there or I didn't execute. But, nah. Nah, everybody know that was my thing. No, that was like the thing. When you first run the Kardashians, I remember they would show the cutaways where you with all your candies. Yeah, my ex-wife, I had a whole, I had a whole, my own man cave, and it was full of candy. And I love candy to this day. But, you know, I learned something from my rehab stint. I'm like five points away from being diabetic. and I got to watch my Pop-Tart intake. What Pop-Tart flavor you go for? Every one of them. They got a new one called Banana Bread. It's really good. What was your peak candy intake like? How much were you eating? Oh, man, I can't even really, man. My man Mac, who was to take care of me, he was like my man. Shout out to Mac. Anthony McNair, another New York City basketball legend. I mean, I just bags everything. Because you can never have enough candy at that point in my life. But I got to watch that now. I don't want anybody chopping my foot off. You're not burning as many calories. Yeah, because I want to eat candy. That don't make no sense. No, definitely not. You talk about it. We also talk about wanting to move past that, the what ifs. The what could I have done different, but knowing that the only thing you can do is continue to move forward. Yeah. Did that take a while? Well, it's like if you're an addict and you practice sobriety, it's day to day. Yeah. Right? So I guess that's like my outlook in life. Anything that I want to do. It's really in God's plans, right, in his time. some things that we might want. There's been millionaires because of social media and everything. They're making millions of dollars a year. But you can still keep to the same plan, but God might say you have to make 10 years or 20 years. But I think as long as you stay focused and keep the creator first, anything is possible. you said it's tough for you to watch some basketball games but what else are you watching at home? any other sports, TV shows, movies talked about Moses yeah and it's funny because I was watching Netflix the other day I'm like damn like there's so much to pick from yeah and you know like even if I'm watching TV I like to watch something that maybe I'm going to learn from a little bit. I still don't know how to cook. I don't know. I just try to watch stuff that I can learn from. I love the ID channel too, but even though I'm not trying to learn how to kill nobody or anything like that, but yeah, I like the ID channel as well too. I don't know. I like TV. Of course, I like sports. Baseball season is about to run back around. I can't wait to watch. You want to hit a Dodgers game? Of course. We got our guy, Dave Roberts. Who's Dave Roberts? The manager? Okay. Yeah, yeah, he's dope. Yeah, yeah, he's dope. He's the man, yeah. He is dope. But that, I don't know, where's Otani from? Japan. Yeah. He's Japanese too, the manager, you know that? I didn't know that. He's half Japanese, half black, half Japanese. Okay, I can see that part. So that's why they get all the. Yeah, I can see that part. It's kind of crazy. But Otani is a. Oof. a beast. He's one of the best to watch. He can control the game from the mound, and then you're going to hit three, four runs like he did this past season. He's definitely inspiring watching him play baseball. He plays hard, too. He's in the great market. They pay him well. He's inspiring and probably to a lot of me, I'm an adult. And watching him is playing is inspiration. So I can imagine being a little leaguer, you know, watching him play. And players like that don't really come around a lot. And I just hope that everybody's soaking it in. One in 10 billion. It's number 17, right? Yeah. I hope everybody's soaking it in and buying Otani jerseys, buying number 17 jerseys. I know he's getting a lot of love in L.A. Yeah, but he's definitely inspirational. You believe that it was his translator gambling, or do you think it was him? I don't know. That's another thing with sports right now. I try not to follow that because I don think sports gambling was as big when I was playing No And you know even for a guy that has a million contract you know, you're putting it in his face like that. He can make an extra, you know, but sports gambling really don't stop. There's no peak on how hard you can go. Yeah. And I just hope that all the leagues have that under control. Doesn't seem like they do. I mean, you can't really control it. You got NBA coaches getting arrested, players. You give it to the people. Yeah, the mafia's involved. So much. Well, everybody knows the mafia has something to do with gambling. And then you add the sports. I just hope it don't carry over to a guy's performance. You never got an offer to throw a game, even high school, nothing? No. Honestly, I can say no. That's good. And I always play at a high level and kind of respect the game too much to even entertain anything like that. But, you know, some of these dudes, you know, they train their hardest and give their heart to a game, put all in a game, all their heart into a game. and I would hope to see the game get stained by a player making a bad decision to fatten his pockets a little bit. Yeah. I hope the league, they should try to do something about that. All the leagues. The Lakers are real rocky right now. They don't play no defense. They don't play no defense. I don't know if they have to make a move. I don't know if it's coaching. I don't know if it's the players, but the effort and the energy is not there every night. And, you know, everybody can score the ball, but nobody wants to defend it. Nobody wants to put that effort and energy in the defense and defensive rebounding. Defense is a team game in every sport, especially football and basketball. Shit, baseball even too. If your team don't grip up then you could expect to lose any game. You should expect to lose. In NBA you got all these great shooters. Day to day I love the game. I think I'd rather watch college basketball right now. Yeah, well, the Lakers are soft. Yeah. There's a lot of whining. They're tough to watch. They really are. I mean, well, the game is softer. Yeah, just being objective, like Luka, one of the greatest offensive players ever, but he cries every single possession. Well, he's probably spoiled. Yeah, it's really tough to watch. He's been an NBA, he's been a pro since he was 13 years old. Yeah. Or 14 or 15. and I don't think they probably ever even asked him to get three stops in a row. No. And just because. And he's got the size and ability. If he really wanted to, he could do it. He's the first person on the basketball field, a point guard. Yeah, yeah. So I think that energy translates with him and then the coaching too. It's like you have to push him to play defense and you have to let your team know, like, yo, you know, We have a weak defensive player, so we have to come around with schemes and cutting the floor off, especially when his man has the ball and is being aggressive. But I love watching him. I was a 6'7", 6'8", point guard one time in my career. Obviously, he's one of the best players in the NBA. Oh, yeah. He's an all-time great. In the NBA, they got this thing called what makes me sick to a two-way player. Like, yeah, you know, when you have the ball, you're on offense. When you don't have it, you're on defense. I think a two-way player should be anybody's mentality who's playing the NBA. Yeah, no, none of them really have that mentality. I would hate to be called a two-way player. What do you mean I'm a two-way player? I'm playing basketball, you know. So, I think that starts a lot with these, with the coaches. You know, the coaches kind of fall into how the game is being played and not the way it should be played. Then the Lakers, I don't know, they got the big center kid, you know. But they knew his game before they got him. with Aiton? Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's complaining a lot. He was always more of a finesse, score first type of center. Yeah. I was reading one article, and he said, they're trying to turn me into a Clint Compella? He said that. Clint Compella's a great player. He's a rim protector. I think the Lakers probably needed more. Probably better than him. Yeah, I think the Lakers needed more of somebody with that type of mentality. Yeah. And, you know, that type of mentality spreads. Yeah. You know, then everybody's going to want to get stops and take charges and do the nitty-gritty things that it takes to win consistently. Yeah. And I don't know how the Lakers got away from the triangle. Yeah. Like. It worked pretty good. I'm the only one to win the championships. And like, you know, we're all around still. I'm pretty sure if they ask me, Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol, and the triangle is a small fraternity of us that know it. Yeah. And, you know, within that small fraternity, all of us have won consistent championships, have been able to follow up a championship with a championship. Yeah. They got the formula. You know, I spoke to Palenka, and he said the kids don't want to run it. Mm. Out of his mouth. I'm like, are we representing the back of the jersey or the front of the jersey? Yeah. Because, you know, all bullshit aside, to have a lot of Laker pride. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Everybody who's ever been around me knows that. I always want and expect them to do well. And when they don't, or not on a consistent basis, I mean, and then you're in L.A., bro. This is the home of the winters. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at that place, you know, right down from us, it should be called Kobe's Crib. Literally. Just because how he put out every night for this town. And, you know, I hope they'll get it together. They'll get it together, hopefully, in the playoffs. Think so? Try to get some stops. You got a time to take it back to, like, practice. Yeah. I don't think this, like, core can all work together because Davis was so perfect because he played, you know, great defense and cleaned everything up. I don't think it was a bad trade. Oh, for the future, it's the best trade. But the current, it's tough. You have to just adapt. You've got to start over a little bit, I think. In life, you've got to adapt on the fly. Yeah, yeah. If you don't, things will go past you and get past you. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to stand for two or three more seasons. If I don't, the nation, the nation. Well, I think LeBron's gone. after this. Yeah, age I think is caught up to him. Finally. Only took 22 years. But that's, you know, every athlete. He had the great, he had LeBron, love him or hate him, greatest longevity in the history of sports. I don't even, if somebody says they hate LeBron and then. You're always going to have critics, so people hate on Kobe too. You're called, what do you call it, a player hater. Player hater, yeah. You know, because he was getting, you know, shit in his career. but he always played the right way. 22 years finally took like a step back. If the guy's open, then you should pass it. Yeah. You know, if not, then, you know, you're good enough to take the shot. But I've been in love with his game and how he played it. And, you know, obviously he takes care of his body. Yeah. And that's a job in itself. If you want to play. Well, he said he spends a million dollars a year on it. I'm not surprised if he want to play on the highest level at this level. I have nothing but respect for LeBron James and how he commended himself on the court, how he attacks the court. I mean, you know, I think every father, all the fathers that are my age, and we love LeBron James because he did what all the CEOs do to have sons. They bring them right along with them. Yeah. Which player, I don't know no player that would turn down that opportunity. No. They say no, they're lying. To be on the same team as your baby boy? Yeah. You know, I mean, if he only did that and he have no championships, he's a champion in my eyes just for that. I mean, gosh, Lee. You think about, you know, him being a number one pick at 18. That 18-year-old boy, you probably couldn't convince him that his brawny was going to be on the same team with him one day. No. It was like the ultimate CEO corporate move. You know, the NBA is the player's league. And obviously he has a lot of power to make that happen because there were probably some dudes that didn't get picked. But shit, I would have did the same thing. For sure. One last thing I want to touch on. I want to get a little bit more in depth about the Netflix doc. and in the trailer you say the afterlife is different than they say it's not often you see someone alive that knows what it's like to be dead that was um I had a dream about Kobe um when I was um I was shooting a reality show I don't know if you ever heard of it it's called Big Brother but um that's probably one of the toughest things I've ever had to do. And, you know, my man came to me in a dream. And that's how you know it was a dream because we were having a three-point shootout. We were having a shooting contest, but Billy Crystal was hosting it. So, you know, I'm dreaming. You know what I'm saying? I don't even know how you host a three-point shootout. Yeah, a shooting contest. But, you know, Kobe was so great at his shot making because I'm left-handed. So when I step into my shot, I step right, left. You right-handed. So when you step into your shot, you step left, right. Well, he was so ambidextrous with his footwork that it didn't matter which foot he stepped into, he was able to make the shot, you know, with his right hand. So we're having a three-point. We're having a shooting contest. And I remember this vividly. I get to the top of the key, and it's a little too deep. And so I step left, right, and I'm copying him. So the next one I take, right, left. It was a little too deep. I missed it. And I took it again, and I made it. And then we got to the right side of it, and he just stopped. And he looked back at me and said hello The afterlife is not what people make it up to be And then I woke up shortly after that And it just made me think, like, what is he trying to say? You know, could be he missed everybody. You know. That can mean a multiple of things. Maybe he's still traveling. to wherever he has to go or have to get. I don't know where it meant. But I just take it as like live your best life now. Don't sell yourself short because I died and I can't tell you where we're going. You know what I mean? And yeah, it's just I think there's a lot in life that we all live for. Whether it's your friends, your family, your money. Whatever you fall in love with, you love it now. Because we've seen from his accident nobody's promised tomorrow. I think that's the biggest lesson that I learned from his life. because when he passed away when I got the news I was in Atlanta and I was with my man he passed away so yeah I was with my man and he was throwing up you know I'm his brother and for whatever the way the world spins and rotates, it felt like it started turning the other way. I remember coming back here from his funeral and I could like that Beanie Seagull or Phil Collins song, you feel it in the air? The gut punch, like it could breathe. And you know, no one knows. I don't know what my time is. My grandma, I got one grandmother's my mother's mother passed away on her 80th birthday June 29th and that's a special birthday for me because that's also the day that my son passed away from Sid's you know June 29th and that's when I wasn't living right sometimes I ask myself if I was home, because I was out all night, and I'm just trying to be present as much as possible. Now that I'm 46, I can't, I'm 46. But my grandmother, I got one grandmother, she's been in the same project apartment for 70 years. 70 years? Word. She's 99 years old. Oh my God. So I figure, you know, if I got one grandmother that lived in a project building for 70 years, and she's 99, I think, you know, because of, you know, my ability to take care of myself and get a gig or two. Yeah. I respect my, you know, I'm talking shit right now, but I think I could live. Moses lived there. He was, what, 120? I think I got a buck in me. All right. I like it. I'm going to need a lot of track outfits. or something easy, something that look good that's easy to put on. But, yeah, you know, I think I got a buck in me. If I keep my head on straight and love my fellow man and keep my soul right, then why not? My guy. Yeah. I want to see it. Well, I'm going to do it. you probably won't be here if I live to 100 you might be dead bro I'll be dead I'm insane if I live to 100 that's like I'm gonna be alive I'm gonna say you're gonna be alive I'm gonna put that I'll be 78 that's not that bad you know you're right you got a shot but it's just like it's just like sometimes Jewish we got good doctors sometimes I think about my grandmother like she ain't like we're the only friends think about that if you live till you're 99 all your buddies and all like no true they gone yeah they're gone you know what I'm saying like they're out of here yeah I would say my life I mean especially coming from a dude that died before you know um I got you know you know God put me here for a reason too I don't know to spread the word or sobriety or... I don't know, but once I get it down pat, there ain't going to be no stopping me. But he definitely spared me. Shit, I had 12 strokes and six heart attacks when I was in the coma. Yeah. Like, you know, when I woke up, I couldn't walk or talk. They said I wasn't going to ever walk or talk again. Yeah. Like, I'm having a conversation with you right now. I was getting my diaper changed and see the side now every three hours, bro. Yeah. I told you, but my mother, traumatic brain injury, I was 13. They said if she lives, she's not going to walk or talk. And she was in a wheelchair, and now she's perfect. That's crazy. God, yeah. God is good all the time. She's probably sharper than before that. It's nuts. it's crazy how the body works man how it protects itself through trauma yeah you know only he has answers for that because i'm like a medical miracle when my doctors tell me in the same like addictive type personality like like if we get like as a box of popsicles like i'll have one she'll have 12 yeah my mom what what what why would you have so many but it's just they pronounced me dead a couple there was a couple of times my family told me like the doctor said you know i I might want to see him this one last time. Yeah. You're definitely in life number two or three. Yeah, so for me to be able to beat that. You're like a cat. Yeah, I ain't get to nine yet. But I'm not. You were close. Yeah. Twelve strokes, six heart attacks. I don't even really want to, you know. If you party, then I leave the room. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no good. you know and this is a place where you can get anything anywhere. Oh LA is tough yeah you know me and my friends were like the only sober house in LA I don't know tell my man Marcel I said what's up. No we're going to tell Marcel I said what's up but um you know life is too good and it's too short One last thing today I think people were surprised that Chloe your ex-wife as one of the main people in the doc. How did that come about? I don't know. You would have to ask them. Oh, Netflix took care of it. Yeah, because my last time being around her, it was like, I can't, the only thing I compare it to is like being in detention with the principal. You know, one-on-one. but it takes time for us to heal because it seems like it just happened yesterday. Yeah. At least to me. And so you're dealing with a woman and you're doing it. Coming out or women coming out to the tabloids. Yeah. That's probably one of my worst, my biggest mistakes ever is that I told God that I was going to take care of this woman and be with her forever and stepped out on her. Like I lied to her in his face. And you know divorce could be like death. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm not in contact with even my brother Rob. who wasn't staged or wasn't part of the script for me and him to get along the way we did. Even in death, even when people pass on and they're longer here, you still have to live your life and move on. Try to turn shit and the sugar. It's painful. But that's something that I regret. Mentally, I'll be paying for it probably for the rest of my life. You can tell in the clip that the love is still there. I mean, shit. I mean, Honestly, you don't marry somebody in 30 days and then forget about them. Yeah. You know what I mean? I can't imagine that. Me either. I don't think most people can. Me either. And then for two people in the position that we were in, you know, she didn't need Odom and I didn't need to be the first black Kardashian. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? it just happened that way. Everything was, you know, genuine. And the love that they showed. We got some more after. Yeah, the love that they showed for me. Kanye. You know, you can't, you know. Did Kanye marry Kanye? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got, what, four kids? Yeah. Yeah, he was second. He was second. But, yeah, you know, That love was genuine. And I think that's why me and her show was so special too because it really wasn't scripted. We just went off of how we felt. And we were at it at the time. Yeah, I think about that life and that lifestyle. Just imagine a Lalehka married to a Kardashian. It's like the red carpet rolled out everywhere you go. Yeah. Oh, it's a movie script. Yeah, so it was an amazing time. It's probably worth the movie, I would say, but it's another story for another day. Another story for another day. Yeah. Appreciate you coming through it. I'm happy to see you sober and out of rehab and doing well. Oh, man, the best is yet to come, little brother. The best is yet to come. Um, it feel like, um, yeah, cause it just feel like my third life. Yeah. So. Third time's the charm. Yeah. I've never, you know, shit, I'm like, what, 35 days sober right now? Um, I feel good, you know. I try to look it. I gotta get used to wearing these glasses, like I told you. You look like you're about to drop a book or something. It's a good distinguished look. Yeah, but that's a front. That's why our people wear glasses. Yeah, a little bit. We're violent motherfuckers. But, you know what I'm saying? I needed them. Yeah, no, you dress. You know what I'm saying? I'd buy your book. Yeah, I'm at the screen. I'm squinting. So I was like, when I was in rehab, I made an eye appointment for a doctor. My father used to wear glasses. I'm not the style, but I'm going to change the style up a little bit. Make them more like the Joe Odom look. All right. As time comes. So next time I see you, I have a different pair of glasses on. You might need some buffs, you know, some diamonds in there. Some gazelle glasses or something like that. All right. Oh, man. Appreciate you for coming on. Any last words? Tell the fans. I love you for loving me. Take care of yourself We out
