Episode 651: Bob Lazar & Area 51

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The guy missed about this time period is going back to the world of art bell going back to bill Cooper, Bob Lazar. These real like real old heads know how awesome it used to be. But the one thing that keeps coming up and all of my research is what? A missed opportunity. The Mexican community didn't take during 2012. If they had just on December 21st, oh, he is one guy covered in LED lights dressed in a quetzic quaddle like uniform. I'm saying Mexico is different. I'm saying the world's different. You think so? If they leaned into their mayonnaise, if they leaned into how to just take the calendar. The calendar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you take the power back. We're like, no, it's Mexican time now. Now, now y'all are on Mexican time. They're going to done so much stuff with that. But they just don't capitalize on that kind of like world bending conspiracy. Yeah, if they want to just war a bunch of lights and convince us all that we were dead. That's all they had to do. Welcome to last podcast on the left ladies and gentlemen. We're here. We're here. We're here. Solving the world's crises. My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with a man with questionable opinion, Senator Zabowski from 1992 to 2012. All they talked about was 2012. Yes. And how did you know why to Kayla? I forgot. I'm sorry. It was mostly why to K. And then they switched to 2012 somewhere around 2009. Yeah, because they had to it was easy to switch the bumper stickers. There was so much banking on 2012. Yeah, for all of these theories. There really was. Yeah. I mean, I remember we were very excited. Yeah. I got my pack of cigarettes because I had already quit. And I get my pack of cigarettes. It was so ready to smoke my fucking into the world cigarettes. Yeah. And if I remember correctly, the day came and passed, I did not even notice it because I was too busy working on an episode. Yeah. Yeah. Completely shame. Shame. Shame. Shame on me. And shame on Ed Larson for coming in 10 seconds into the show and already ripping this dickhead to pieces. There's no reason for it. I am a little bit skeptical. But I will say after we want to contact in the desert twice, I believe it a little more only because I know that there's no money in this. Right. I know that they're all completely broke. That really is the thing that unlocks UFO knowledge. There's always this idea that all these people are doing it for the money. They're doing it to get some kind of life. There's nothing. There's nothing you should have tried the salmon. I mean, man, there is awful. Literally no friends, no job, no, no hiring prospects, bad, bad psychological reviews. Everybody hates you with the DMV. Eucology, cores you out and leaves you for dead. Yeah. The only person is your friend as a guy, no galactic uniform on an oxygen tank. Even he should be like, you know, I actually don't know if I'm going to get to the Saturn Recon 2025 this year. I'm going to say I have some form of advance to Berkulosis. They don't know how it came back. You hear this thing about the Jews? They poisoned me from the government. And the reason why we're talking about move farm, we're talking about contacting the deserts because today we are finally getting around to talking about one of one of the modern fathers of ufology, ufology, as it were, definitely conspiracy theory and weirdo thought. We're going to be talking about a man named Bob Lazar. Well, Bob Lazar is more or less the guy who brought the concept of area 51 into the larger global consciousness. Before Bob came forward in 1989 as a so called whistleblower claiming that he'd worked with alien tech on a top secret military base in Nevada, area 51 was mostly something that only hardcore UFO conspiracy theorists knew about. But after Bob did a series of interviews with UFO mainstay George nap best known today for his work on skim walk a ranch and being a fucking awesome ass dude. Fuck yeah, being a bro. Yeah, fucking new dad. Peace, take, please take me George. He looks such a great hair. God, wit made shave me. Did you get a chance to smell him? I didn't know. Oh, he's got to stick up behind him. He smells like newspapers. Oh, I bet newspapers in sandalwood. I didn't get that to his, I think close was neck. Well, after Bob Lazar did a series of interviews with George nap area 51 became a large part of the world's collective knowledge about UFOs. Just as the Montauk project morphed into stranger things area 51 went for being a place that only the most ardent uphologist knew about to a cultural touchstone. Less, do you forget area 51 was the site of the independent state speech in independent state. It was the central location of the most successful alien invasion movie of all time. Independence day was 96 97. Bob Lazar's interview was 1989. It was very fast. Well, actually, I didn't even put that together. It's already fast after. Yeah, roll an emerald who fucking did independence day also 2012. Oh my fucking god. I thought I was going to need you. With us the damn Mexicans win here. By that same turn though, area 51 also quickly came to represent the totality of what the government isn't telling us. Yeah, it is a physical symbol of distrust towards authority. Some that anyone can go and see for themselves if they're willing to take the drive out to the Nevada desert. But that's all to say that the increased visibility of area 51 was due to a brilliant amateur rocket enthusiast and former brothel owner named Bob Lazar. This makes Bob whether he's telling the truth or not an incredibly important figure when it comes to the people who have shaped American culture over the last few decades. I'm going to say this just as a fellow podcaster, but Joe Rogan really dropped the ball when it came to Bob Lazar. If you really want to know the real fucking shit and get to know Bob get past his very, very cool veneer. Oh yeah, you need to go to Art Bell. And what we lost when we lost Art Bell is one of the I now think about it. Art Bell died side story started. Art Bell had the amazing ability to both hold. I'm making fun of you and I'm listening to you. I know he knew how to do the wink. The wonder he knew how to do it all. And it's a thing that we just desperately need and don't have anymore. It's an interview to me was like so much more informative than the entire documentary that I saw. But unfortunately yes, Art knows how to do it and he did it fucking right. And I listened to all five and a half hours of every single interview he did with Bob. You know my problem with UFO docs is I've watched a bunch for you now. And I have like you've watched a bunch for your job. Man, not right. I do get paid. I've seen a set of more still had to go look at ghosts. Man, listen to Ray Stance. But my problem with all of them is it's like not that much information. It's just like dudes walking through the desert with ethereal music and nothing happens. It's why they talk so slowly because if you have to fill the full 90 minutes. Exactly. If UFO documentaries talk to the normal speed, the whole thing would be like, no, half an hour. They're afraid of getting to the full Lord because they're afraid of scoop. I feel like a lot of times they're just afraid to scare people away. Sure. I can't handle the fucking heat. Now, Bob Lazar is unlike any other UFO whistleblower or witness that we've covered over the years. While most witnesses are either buttoned up military men like Charles Hall, the man who interacted with the tall whites or straight laced family types like, you know, Betty and Dresden. Remember she had the hallucinatory Christian experience. Bob Lazar has a bit of salt and pepper in his background. He's definitely not a bad guy by any stretch. But Bob does have a background that one could call little shady. It's one of those great ingredients for an disinformation officer. Yeah, possibly. You said he owned a brothel. We just kind of moved past that like you didn't say that. We're going to get into it. And we're also going to get into whether he owned the brothel or whether he was merely an investor in the brothel. I would say investor because if you own a brothel, you change your name to Bob Lazar. Yeah. Bob Lazar is also let's just straight up say of all the people involved in the UFO community. The only one who's seen more vaginas than one that is a professional gynecologist on the side. You know, Bob Lazar got more bush than any other ufologist in reality. San Friedman, he was hawking that white. I love this wife. A sweet lady. She was taking that fucking Stanley Friedman to conquer his whole fucking life. I know Nick Pope ain't swimming in it. We met him. His wife seemed to be sweet, but she's complicated. Bob, Bob didn't have that problem at all. No, no, no. No, Bob's life was full of complicated women. We're going to get into that. Even though Bob presents himself and looks like a nerd's nerd, he's skinny. He's got glasses, the size of satellites. Bob is sort of the bad boy of the UFO world. He's a man. You're not the bad boy of the UFO world. You're not the bad boy of the UFO world. No, look at me. I'm starting to get my game. I'm in a game. Yeah, look at me in the area. Yeah, he does look like a penetrated, nerd flander. Try to take my fucking chicken tenders. Well, Bob Lazar is a man who marries dangerous women. He's got a record for Pimpen and he's so enthusiastic about speed that he put a fucking jet engine on his Honda Civic. Bob is himself a fascinating character. His claim to fame is that he allegedly worked on alien tech for the US government at Area 51 for just a few months in 1989. His job, he claims, was the reverse engineering of propulsion systems from UFO craft that the government had obtained one way or another. So to see how this bad boy of the nerd world made his way into what is supposedly the world's largest repository of alien tech, let's spend today's episode telling the life story of Bob Lazar. For sources, we used his 2019 autobiography Dreamland, although our research team did do quite a bit of digging on their own in an attempt to discover what the real story behind Bob Lazar's claims actually is. The code for the research team don't believe anything that he says. We had a long time. Maybe that might make my husband to be true. They do believe a couple of things he said the tech car definitely exists. See, I, I, but well, as we cover this, just know we know this story has been on one hand. It's been debunked up to the fucking moon, the other hand with you know, there's a lot of like interesting tidbits. But I think in the very end, there is stories in this that make a lot of sense. And there's there's stuff in this. There's stuff in this. Yeah. That's real fucking remember orbits the gun. The soda. What happened? I'm a soda. I remember the orbits. I'm a, that's still very pop. So what was that one with the soda had all the gunk in it? Surge. No, that was clean. No, I've ever balls. The one with that you, the energy drink that had the grippers on it. That was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. This episode is like a can of orbits. It is orbit. Thank you. All right. It's a floating stuff in it. Some people have seen it, but no one believes that it exists. Exactly. It's a regional delight. Yeah, it's a chunky episode. Very chunky. So Bob was born in Florida in 1959 to parents unknown. But was soon, yeah, but was soon adopted by the Lazar family, Albert and Phyllis. Bob claims that he was not interested in UFOs or aliens as a child, but was rather more fascinated with science, propulsion and explosions. See, Bob is very much a DIY man in every way. He's a guy who's spent his childhood building rockets and explosives. In fact, if you could compare Bob to anyone, I'd put him in the same ballpark as everyone's favorite rocket building occultist, Jack Parsons. But the same league, but you know, they're playing the same sport. It really is true. They seem to be like almost spiritual counterparts, except Jack Parsons was a libertarian poet magician. Yeah. And Bob Lazar is a hardcore hot rod and pussy lady, lady selling fucking whistleblower. Yeah. I mean, if you maybe to put it in a perspective, you could say that like, you know, Jack Parsons is like, you know, Ozzy Osborne and Bob Lazar is like the best guitarist in your local bar band. Yeah. Okay. They're in the same ballpark. Yeah. They're doing the same sport, but there's right right here. He's a tippers man. Yeah. On tippers, tap tippers, dude. On Wednesday fucking nights, man. That guy is my fucking Jimmy Page. Yeah. And sometimes that's where you got to stay. If Steve, you're a Vaughan would have stayed in the Blues clubs. You would have never fucking gotten the helicopter crash. Yeah. That's true. You would have turned black. That was his goal. That's all he ever wanted, man. Well, like Jack Parsons, Bob was a guy who just liked the big boom. It didn't really matter whether that boom was blown something up or propelling an object forward. And it also didn't really matter if the boom was also quite dangerous. Bob Lazar is a man who does not mind danger in any way whatsoever. Now, as far as Bob's academic career goes, he graduated from high school in Long Island in 1976 and claims that he attended Caltech the next year. This unfortunately is where Bob's claims run into a wall because there's no record of Bob Lazar attending Caltech. Now, Bob of course claims that the government erased his past in an effort to discredit and or intimidate him, but the facts point towards an explanation that is both far simpler and far more human. See, Bob graduated high school in the bottom third of his class, which makes acceptance into a prestigious school like Caltech unlikely. This also means that while Bob is brilliant, he was not a good student. Yeah. Bottom third in Long Island. That's a low bottom third. Yeah, I mean, I just thought funds, he finds new way to make blue curacao not taste like anything. But we did grow up around a lot of tall whites. This is true. Furthermore, Bob also claimed that he studied at Caltech under a physics professor named William Duxler. Now William Duxler existed and he did confirm that Bob took one of his classes, but not at Caltech. Rather, Duxler was a professor at Pierce Community College here in Los Angeles, which very much does have records of Bob taking classes from 1976 until 1979. Lazar also claimed to have a master's degree from MIT, but there's no record of that either. Now one might use all of this as a way to discredit everything Bob said that it shows a pattern of lying, but this is exactly why I wanted to bring it up as soon as possible. I think it is important to acknowledge that Bob Lazar is not truthful in everything he says, but I also don't think that he's a habitual liar. Instead, I think it speaks more towards Bob's insecurities. I think that Bob believed that if he gave himself more credibility, then his story would gain credibility as well. In other words, I think he believed that nobody would believe the self-educated weirdo, but everyone would believe a guy with a degree from MIT. And to me retroactively, it makes more sense. Is that when you look back and you're trying to explain whenever one's saying like, well, how the fuck were you there working on this UFL? He's like, oh, well, I needed. I had to have all these sort of accreditations. We don't realize in the world of the intelligence services in the world, in this world, they do it for the fuck they want. Yeah. And some of the stuff they like is people that don't have a whole bunch of shitty, dumbass, liberal education dropped into their fucking brains because guess what, they're not good at making big bombs to blow up fucking innocent, so people in other countries, they're just get super buttered about it because they literally literally classes, they learn that people cry, then they can do they cry in Europe. Right, you're like, they're taught, he thinks it is mine. Bobble's art is like, let me blow Europe up. Yeah. That's who you want. Just because he didn't get a degree there, it doesn't mean anything to go to classes. I mean, when I went to community college, I used to just like go to like some of the film classes and stuff in FSU and I'll just like hang out and watch with, I would fall sleep. I was like, I had it in papers right? I didn't show up and sit there. I remember you from this time period and you were frightened. I was like, I was like, I think you were so frightened. When you just walked into community class, I looked and learned, sat there and just like, just let him stay. I mean, he's a bear. We definitely had guys at Texas Tech that would do the same thing. Would they just walk into a classroom and just be like, I don't even go to college here. You ain't got to tell them, buddy. Like, not dude. Fucking hang out. He's like, good. I just like it. Cool. Fucking hey, man. Keep going. I'll see you next week. And then they just one day just suddenly disappear. Yeah. Never know what happened to him. Too much education. But then they go back to their weed cell. Yeah. That's what I had to do. Yeah, I always go to Holden's film class and fall asleep and answer questions. It's great. I don't want to start girls in the mud. I guess he was not a serious point. Well, you know, with Bob Azar and his education, like, I think there are a lot of things in his personality that would make him very bad for education and make him, but would make him very good for the type of work he ended up doing. He's an extraordinarily independent person. He has huge problems with authority. He's a self starter. He's a self starter. But I do think that, you know, he does have that insecurity of like, I have to give some sort of credence to myself. When in reality, the people who do run these things, like, we all like to pretend like these sorts of things that, you know, that you have to have a degree and so on and so that these are like laws or something. They're not. Jeffrey Epstein was hired to that very, very high end by that boarding school where he first started everything because the guy liked him. Yeah. That's why he fucking hired him. It was not because he had any experience or anything else because he looked at Jeffrey Epstein and he's like, I like this slime ball. And I'm just going to, I'm going to do it because I can. Yeah. Now while Bob Lazar was attending Community College in Los Angeles, he also got a job at a company called Fair Child Electronics, which is where he was first introduced into the world of high technology, Fair Child Electronics manufactured equipment that utilized something called bubble memory. It's really fun to say bubble memory. Bubble memory. Bubble memory sounds like one of those fake things they do to show you. You choose to make them cost more. With bubble memory technology. And as far as our researchers can tell, bubble memory was a technology that peaked in the early 80s and was used most effectively, empowering arcade games like Gradius. Bob however, did make enough money at Fair Child to buy his own home in Woodland Hills, California in 1977. And he also made enough money to begin experimenting with attaching jet engines to vehicles. Specifically, Lazar got a hold of a glue-hareff pulse jet engine, which was a simple mechanism with no moving parts designed by a Russian American who wanted the public to have the ability to make their own lightweight single passenger helicopters. All of this is 100% true. You know, and we're doing so good with cars. Yeah. I think that we definitely need to add the fourth dimension to our travel. I gotta say, I also orphaned from Florida. I'm very inspired by this. It was a nice one. It's a dream you could've had. Well, the glue-hareff engine used propane and it's simple design meant that it could be built at home and attached to almost any vehicle. And so, Bob was art did just that and actually attached a small jet engine to his bicycle in 1977. How would that work? You'd have to get rid of the pedals. Yeah, you just rip your legs up. Exactly. Yeah. I think he just needed something with wheels. Yeah. Of course, it's due to the inherent danger of working with explosives. But as it was with Jack Parsons, Bob Lazar certainly spent his life associating with people that society might consider, let's say, disreputable. Even though Bob always presented himself as the nerds nerd. Case in point with Bob was his first wife, Carol Nadine Asher, who married Bob in the summer of 1980. Now, Carol was 17 years older than Bob, which all but guaranteed Bob a salty experience. Oh, yeah. But Carol also had a sorted history prior to meeting Bob that involved bikers and fetamines, kidnapping and straight up murder. Yeah. You could say that about the Rolling Stones. Honestly, man. Yeah, you can. She just sounds fucking hot. You know what I mean? That's hot as hell, dude. You know, that kind of fucking problem, dude. I'm looking her to she's cute. Yeah. She was fucking cute, too. Wow. Pull it over. I can't see enough. We try to put it up here. I can't. I'm fat. It's right here. What? No, is that one? Is that her? Oh, that's a bad picture of her. Oh, that's a bad picture. I can still see. I can see what she's talking about. She's cute. She's cute. She's cute. Well, I'm too. Yeah. She's cute in the Lori Ballot. That is true. Well, on June 12, 1974, Carol broke into the Oakland home of a man named Dennis Pissaro with a hell's angel named Gary Burkett and Gary's wife. All three of them then engaged in activities that would result in Dennis's murder. And Dennis, the victim and Gary, the hell's angel, had gotten into some arguments and some physical altercations in the weeks prior to this home invasion. And it seems like Gary was hell bent on revenge. Oh, no. The best TV of the six years was Joni and Touchy. I know. The best God-dive series out of celebration with Joni and Touchy. I liked mod. Oh, no. No, damn, you fucking go. I'd like to put in a vote for Morgan Mindy. And I may that's a fine. That's fine. Hello, how are you? But this is a, I mean, Gary, an Oakland hell's angel. That's a rough fucking hell's angel. Oh, yeah, it is. So after Gary, his wife and the future Carol Lazar, broken to Dennis's home, brandishing pistols, Carol held Dennis's friend Eugene Day at gunpoint in one room while the hell's angel and his wife fatally stabbed and shot Dennis elsewhere in the house. Once Dennis was dead, his friend Eugene was handcuffed to a shelf. He was handed a syringe and told to inject himself with it. But Eugene was clever. He did inject a small amount of the mysterious liquid into his arm, but he squirted the rest onto the floor when his captors weren't looking. When the time was right, Eugene said about him was going, oh, yeah, oh, I'm dying. When the time was right, Eugene threw a wooden placket Carol, which enabled him to escape the house, run to a neighbor and call 911. Eugene did survive, but surgery was needed to repair the damage done to his arm by this unknown caustic solution in the syringe. Might have been fucking drain all day. No, whatever got tossed on Ilya, no, Marley, all the day. It was, it was, it was, it was honestly, and she went right to punch him in the fucking face. It was kind of cool. Yeah. Carol was picked up sleeping in her car after she got it stuck in a riverbed outside of you, Baciddy, California, the next day. Also had a fair amount of speed in her possession, but Carol did have a lifelong speed habit. Love the methamphetamine. And her compatriots were soon arrested as well. And after pleading guilty to second degree murder, conspiracy and false imprisonment, Carol was sentenced to five years in prison in 1975. And while we don't know how long she served, we do know that she was married to Bob Lazar by 1980. And besides stories, LPL, gmail.com, tell me when you first wed your ex felon when you're, you're spout. So wherever it is, when you first, first thing you guys hooked up ever, you got a jail. Awesome was that. Yeah. We do conjugal. Yeah, no, I think it's not the same. We got to say yeah, because everyone's watching. Yeah, almost feel like a conjugal is like hotter because everyone's watching. We're weird. Yeah. Now they got to conjugal to trailers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I guess there's no way they're not watching. They're probably watching. Yeah. That is true. But Bob, I wanted to know how I don't know. We couldn't find out like how Bob and Carol actually met because he didn't meet her until after she was out of prison. It just sound like that the whole, there was no prison date.com back then. You know, we kind of talked about when we covered the toy box killer when we did a revamp and we were talking about this idea that there was like many freaky communities. Yeah. Freaky communities everywhere and then there are freaky communities that go super dark. Yeah. And then there are freaky communities that just kind of like peter out at seams. I think it's mostly just like whenever everybody gets bored or whatever when the kids get annoying. Yeah. But it's a seams that they had. He was in a freaky location. Yeah. But I think it's just he was in an area of like I think once you get into the world of explosives and once you get into the and the other people who like that sort of danger and like that sort of thing are going to people who kind of live on the edge of life a little bit. Yeah. And Carol's going to show up to that party eventually. And I picture is Carol gets out of prison and she's got her bike that's been fucking collecting dust. She's like, I got to get this thing fucking souped up. Maybe I tossed a jet engine on it. It was like, I know a guy who puts jet engines on bikes. And he goes, he goes, he goes to my buddy Bob. Bob is the last name laser holy shit. Man, I'm the last name of Christ. Hey, names Bob just got out, huh? Yeah, I've been out for a little while. My name's Carol. Yeah, I got to say Carol, whatever they did to you and Jilly must have done it right. Yeah, they did. Yeah, yeah, I got a new hole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I like making new holes. Wow. Bob claims that he spent the years after he got married to Carol obtaining a master's degree in physics from MIT. But we know that isn't true. What we do know is that Bob and Carol moved from California to Los Alamos, New Mexico in 1982. So you had all of the explosives that Bob loved in this world. None were more fascinating than nuclear blasts. And as we all know, Los Alamos was where Robert Oppenheimer and the rest of the Manhattan project constructed the world's first atomic bomb. So while Bob may not have earned degree from MIT, he did, in fact, get a job at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico in 1982. He is on record for having worked there for eight months. And we know that that means he had some form of clearance. So that already being done, the fact that you got some form of top secret clearance allows other levels of top secret clearance to be easier to get. Well, I don't know. Did he get top secret clearance because not all of these places require top secret clearance? Well, there's certain things that you were like, but then you find out certain things are you just, you get like a certain level of clearance, just to sort of be in there, right? Civilian clearance. There's certain things you have to do. There's certain, well, obviously, it goes all the way up to the top. And I think the way it works is just like you start on the very bottom level, which is where he's described, he does describe it accurately. You hang out with a janitor. Yeah. Well, he was working on, like apparently he was working on particle accelerators. He was doing the stuff that he said he was doing. He was working in propulsion and that style of stuff. Okay. But it would be, it would be secret. Yeah. Now Bob claimed that he didn't like working for the federal government because they wasted money and supplies. But ironically, his idea of protesting against this waste was indeed quite wasteful. Bob said that he was a bit of a prankster at Los Alamos. So one day when he was bored, he asked a custodian for several large trash bags. Bob inflated those trash bags with excess helium discharged from a particle accelerator, then tied them off with tape used to seal hazardous materials, the tape red danger radiation in big scary letters. Bob then released the helium filled bags from the top of the hill that the laboratory was on and watched as the bags floated towards the town of Los Alamos below. The town that was not surprisingly quite vigilant when it came to radiation. I bet super nodded to pranks about night. It is objectively fucking. It's objectively a good, but it's a good prank because eventually the bags landed and deflated in the parking lot of McDonald's, which caused quite a stir. Police recalled and Los Alamos was questioned. But while Bob didn't get into any trouble, I think he may have proved with this story while he only lasted eight months at Los Alamos National Laboratory. Doesn't seem like a place that appreciates a prankster. Yeah, I would also like to place attention upon the idea of Bob Lazar as prankster. And that prankster doesn't necessarily mean liar. No, it means somebody that likes to have fun at other people's expense. And Bob Lazar is at the very core of him, a prankster. Yeah, like, you know, I view this as a, it's a gas bag. He's a guy that likes to fuck with people. And so this is a, it's a part of his personality. Yeah, he's the ufology's community's Ashton Kutcher. Yeah, now. Yeah, now. Yeah, now. Yeah, now. Now. But when those bags landed in McDonald's, that's when they got the idea for Grimmis. Oh, cute. Oh, I thought Grimmis was a blob of old blood. Not radiated trash. Oh, no. The last alamos was out in the desert, which only gave Bob more room to test his further experiments and attaching jet engines to normal objects. I assure you, by the way, that all of this is true and is backed by multiple newspaper articles that were written long before Bob became the area 51 guy. See, while Bob had been living in Southern California, he had installed a full custom-made micro turbojet engine onto his Honda Civic hatchback. I've seen pictures and it seriously looks like he took one of the funnels from the bottom of a rocket and loaded it into the back of his tiny car. It looks insane. It's dope. It's awesome. Yeah. He even got vanity plates. See, they said, uh, jet you bet. That's cool. He needs it. That's not cringey when it's on that. It will. And also in California, the very common here, I'm trying to get a vanity plate man. What are you going to, what's yours going to say? Probably something like big dick. Thank you. Oh, no, no, it doesn't want me to be found. You know, everybody's fine trying to find me. Oh, yeah. Everyone really cares for you. I have to have my mind when everyone finds you and then does doesn't care. Where do I know you from? You know, no one make a really good vanity license plate for you. Booger boy. Oh, I was going to maybe do something. I mean, I got a couple ideas. Well, since this was a literal jet secret idea, come suckers. And come suckers. They take it. Well, since this is a literal jet engine attached to a Honda Civic, it was, of course, incredibly and obnoxiously loud going off of a 2021 study that measured the sound of an engine comparable to the one Bob a custom made. The jet that Bob affixed to his Honda Civic would have produced at least 120 decibels, which is right around the level that causes physical pain to humans. Oh, yeah, man. So what was easy top at, man? 28. Yeah. Yeah. The weirds are fucking their hair, man. Local cops, however, thought that the car was neat. So Bob never got a ticket for noise or for speed. This thing truly worked. Bob had installed fiberglass air scoops on the top and the sides of his Honda Civic to keep it on the ground when he activated the jet engine. That's how powerful it was. It would have lifted itself off the ground. He would have lost total control. It ran on propane and kerosene and only ran for 30 seconds to a minute at a time. But when Bob took it out to the dry lake beds and got that Honda Civic up to 90 miles an hour, he'd flip the jet engine switch and take it to 200 miles per hour. Yeah. Honda's are just built different. They are. They are. This is why the CRB is a far superior automobile. They don't have four. It could suck out collective penises. Okay. It's not a good car. A Toyota. If you want to send your car into the center of the US government, get a Toyota. That's going to fucking get that thing. Well, you could drive that through so many banks, so many fucking walls. Really good. Because since the car was so loud and unique, I really can't stress enough that it was just a fucking massive conical jet engine shoved into a hatchback. The local newspaper, the Los Alamos monitor ran a story on Bob Lazar in his jet car in June of 1982 where all of this shit was witnessed and verified when asked why he made the jet car. Bob said simply, quote, there's no real reason except for going fast and while the car did go incredibly fast, I think that this jet car really does show that while Bob might not have earned a degree from MIT, he was still a genius who had the chops to work on mysterious technology. You know, you say that, but I don't think a genius puts a jet engine in a car. Geniuses act as remember geniuses are all about could have not showed up. Yeah. That's so what else to drive it. The jet car is central to this story, not just because it shows that Bob Lazar has provable scientific bonafight. This is actually the point in the story when we finally begin to turn slightly towards UFOs. See, the day after the article about Bob's car was published, Bob Lazar intended to talk at the Los Alamos facility hosted by Dr. Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb. According to Bob, he was walking the lecture when he happened to bump into Dr. Teller. Bob began gushing about Dr. Teller's contributions towards creating one of the most destructive bombs in existence. But Dr. Teller suddenly broke in and said, quote, you're a man with the jet car. I know you. Man with the jet car. Also, you don't know. He's Hungarian. He actually, he wouldn't be more like, you should say man, if he's a jet car. He's based the character, Dr. Strangelove is based on teller. Yes. Wow. And also the Edward Teller is the guy that came up with the concept of we would use nuclear bombs against hurricanes. Wow. Yes. He could be a fucking alien himself, man. Why else do you think his initials are ET? Fuck you. I don't know. Did you know there was a legit plan to this is a real plan that Edward Teller was to was spearheading and it almost happened in 1958. They were trying to create new ways to bring goods and services, new import and exports into Alaska. So he had this proposed idea to use six hydrogen bombs to carve out a harbor in Alaska. Just blow a hole in Alaska. It's all coastline already. Yeah. And they were just going to blow it in. They were going to blow in a harbor. And then what they decided is that they did listen to obviously everyone was there all the people that were living there. We're all like, good. This is our home. This is where our ancestors are and blah, blah, blah. And they didn't care, right? Because there were like no one's going to be here anymore. And then they said, but it was the money ran out. So the money ran out in 1962. They worked on it for four years and it almost happened. Wow. They totally would have just like gotten rid of the polarized caps. What did you do? I was stuck. Dude, imagine, but do imagine fucking radioactive grisly's. That would be our heads fucking off. It's very cool. It's very cool. No, I mean, they are technically in the follow games. They're called Yao Gui. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mean fuckers. Well, back at Los Alamos, Dr. Teller had read the article about Bob Lizar. And after Bob and Dr. Teller chatted for a few minutes about Bob's personal experiments, the two men went their separate ways for the time being. Now I think that Bob left an impression on Dr. Teller as being a man who could not only think laterally, but who was also the type who could shake up a bunch of Ivy League eggheads if they needed shaking up. He was sick of Ivy League eggheads. He's been dealing them for a long time. And guess what? They always told him, Marcus, you're fired. You're all, yeah. You always said, no. Oppenheimer said, oh, you're too concerned with the warmth and destruction of humankind. And he said no to him. And then he wanted to blow up Alaska. You see what his bombs could do? And they said no to him. Bob's never going to say no. Bob's going to say, let's do it. How big do is the whole go? Yeah. Well, I'm sure Dr. Teller asked Bob about his education as men like him are want to do. Did you study? And I would imagine Bob wasn't yet lying about his credentials. That of course made his accomplishments all the more impressive. It's very impressive that he learned how to do all this shit from just a few years at a community college where he may or may not have even paid attention. He's essentially self taught. Yeah. I think if it is indeed true is what made Bob Lazar the perfect person to invite to Area 51 to possibly reverse engineer what could have been alien tech. But as we'll see, while Bob's personality made him a DIY genius, his personal life is what held him back. Bob Lazar would have quite the checkered life before he finally landed at Area 51. His timeline is vague. But after his eight months at Los Alamos, Bob left to found a company called Lazar Energy Systems, which was set up to quote design, develop and repair alpha radiation detection systems. Allegedly, Bob got in a government contract to work on this in conjunction with the Los Alamos lab because Los Alamos dealt with a lot of plutonium and plutonium gives off alpha radiation. But Lazar Energy Systems did not pay the bills fully. The Bob and his wife Carol also opened up a photo developing business with a storefront in Los Alamos in a more private location, if you know what I mean, operating out of their second home in Las Vegas. Throw them big, gaper pictures. Oh, you really spread them open. Bob's big ol' zone. Yeah, it's Bob, but the oh, it's just an anus. And it's the wife. It's beautiful. The reason why I say the reason, I mean, this isn't known, of course. And this is me speculating, but the reason why I think that they may have been developing private pictures in a more private location is because somewhere during all this frenzied business founding, Bob and Carol also financially invested in a brothel in Reno called the Honey Suckle Ranch. The Honey Suckle's tagline, perhaps the best in the business was more honey for the money. That's why my dad loves Reno. Yeah. Bob was our chance. There's no need in shelving yet. The Honey Suckle Ranch might have been assaulted to them. Yeah, where they could put all the loobey. Right? You know, I do believe that the photo developing very alien friendly. It is, but also photo developing is one of those. You know, we joke about, we always said about how Polaroid cameras have seen more murder and rape than any single soldier ever. Yeah. That's kind of in my mind. Like photo developing is like a side project for anybody involved in the most twisted shit. Well, I mean, it's, Bob was our could. If he isn't involved with like some shady people, like it does pay to have a guy. Of course. You know, I got a guy like I'm not can never get these photos, photos developed. Like I got a guy. He'll do it for you. I mean, I'm just girly papers that used to get right because they used to like kind of what you'd see in Twin Peaks. Yeah, plus world. Yeah, there's something that within that girl pictures in there. So I imagine if you are working, if you're a girls manager, that's what that's a nice way to say, Pimp, if you're her manager, what you do is you'd probably want to get some good eight by 10s. You'd probably want to get her in some lingerie and then you're going to want to do that all on your own, right? I don't know that from experience. You worked in a photo lab. I did. Yeah, you worked in a photo lab for like years, right? I did. Yeah. I did. Well, we've talked about this many times. We've talked about the old lady in the red hat on the toilet. We've talked about it. But my favorite was the lady that had her open vagina and she wrote all around it. Wish you were here for her boyfriend and. Was she the one that handed it to you? Yeah, just a big smile. Yeah. I'm taking out his hat. Yeah. One for yourself. Yeah. That was just like, no, thank you. This has been advanced for me. Now, the honeysuckle ranch had already been open for 30 years by the time Bob and Carol got involved. Bob claimed that he bought it outright for $1 million and left Carol in charge of the day-to-day operation. Definitely. It does. However, seeing like the more likely scenario was that Bob and Carol were merely investors in the honeysuckle ranch and they used the honeysuckle as passive income. There were angel donators. Yes. But cells angel donators. Yeah. Yeah. Sadly though, Bob hit a big rough patch in 1986. His wife, Carol, who was, as I said, 17 years older than Bob, she'd been hiding a pancreatic cancer diagnosis from Bob for months. So rather than wait for the cancer to take her, Carol took matters into her own hands in April of 1986. While Bob was out running errands one day, Carol pulled their car into the garage of their lost alamos home, closed the door, and slowly died from carbon monoxide poisoning. The story, however, is a little more complicated than Bob makes it out to be when you compare all the government records surrounding it. See Bob implies that Carol knew that she was going to die and therefore propped up an employee at their lost alamos photo processing lab named Tracy Merck as Bob's new wife. Oh wow, that's so nice of her. Yeah. You see it all the time in Grayson Addyme. You know, like someone's a wife is dying and they're setting up like, oh, don't. I want you to promise me that you're not going to live alone. You're probably going to be your fight love again. I'm just like, when I'm dying, Natalie ain't touching anybody. Yeah. I'm just touching anybody. No one finds love again. Yeah. My last act in the low life is just going to be adopting like 20 dogs. Yeah. You're going to be stuck in a fight love. Bob claimed that after Carol died, he allowed some time to pass before he did indeed marry Tracy Merck. There is however, a married certificate between Bob Lazar and Tracy Ann Merck recorded at the, we've only just begun wedding chapel in Las Vegas. That marriage certificate is dated April 19, 1986. Carol's death certificate, meanwhile, dates her death three days after Bob's wedding to Tracy, which means that this might have been an embarrassing or admittedly, extremely complicated chapter of Bob's life that he might have wanted to paper over a little bit. Jerky waters indeed. Carol's are honestly. That's a fucking real man. Right there. Huh? Carol Lazar is a real fucking dude. What are you talking about? Kill the hell's angel. Robbed a bunch of people. But she killed with a hell's angel. And a brothel. Yeah. Teacter life, fuck for her life, right? Then fucking like a real man, gutted cancer, didn't tell God damn soul. And then off to herself. That's fucking awesome. It's what dudes do, man. Hard. It's hard for a person. Sure. I mean, having that shit didn't happen. Bet you. You took cancer. And she's like, yeah. Yeah. I'm a cancer. Sick of me. Does anyone think that Bob killed her. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. what's so ever under Bob? Like there's nothing crazy here. There's, it's just, it just seems like the story was probably very, very complicated. And it was very, very complicated. Yes, it's more like did she commit suicide and then he ran off with this chick or was he already sort of while his life was sick? Was he setting up a cheating thing with another woman and then did he marry her like kind of like, oh, you know, I thought we were separated and then she came to the suicide we don't know. Yeah, we really don't know. It's just the, yeah, the days between the suicide and the marriage are, they don't line up with what Bob says they are. I can't copy. I could say if she found wedding certificate, that might lead her to doing something harsh. Is she really angry? I just probably shouldn't kill him. He was lucky. She didn't shoot him in the fucking hand. Well, if that's indeed how it happened, there might also have been some sort of agreement between all of them. They, there might have been some of the girls like go, go be happy, go do it. You know, I'm not going to last too much longer anyway. We don't know. Did Joe Rogan ask? Literally, he's the worst interviewer who's ever fucking lived. Jesus fucking Christ. Not to be anything. I know. I'll be fucking everything. Like, what the fuck? Well, how did this happen? I don't know. How did this happen? You just got to sit, just we work, we've always worked too hard. I'm just always the work who art. No, interestingly, while Tracy Mark was not a criminal on Carol's level, she was still indeed a convicted criminal. Bob it seems had a type. As for Tracy's crimes, she'd been working at the Los Alamos National Bank when one of her co-workers turned her on to a scam where they'd forge withdrawal slips to steal money from wealthy clients who didn't pay close attention to their accounts. Cause to think about rich people, they never look at their money. No, never, never, never. Cloakster then you could ever, that is, never listened to a teller tell you that, ever. But Tracy then brought in two friends to help, a guy named Perry Handy and another gentleman who is known only by the name of Zoom. What this little forgery ring didn't know, however, was that the bank employee who'd introduced Tracy to the scam was actually an undercover agent investigating theft at the bank. Is that a trap man? Yeah, but they do it anyway. They do it all the time. They do it. They did it. That so many guys, she wouldn't have committed the crime if they didn't present it to her. Hey, fucking tell it to 9-11. Like this so many guys. Hey, not like that. Yeah. Yeah, I saw what you did. You ran? No, they were going to pick it and play and then fly. You will come. Nothing. Yeah. I know, aren't you thankful for the oil? We have four cups. Oh my god, it's so funny. Everyone is like, gas is cheaper lately. They say, yeah, we just stole so much weight. We're cheaper. We're fucking criminals. We're a country of fucking criminals. You did this to us. What I mean to say is that after 9-11, the FBI and the CIA entrapped so many guys who never would have even come close to planning anything, they convinced guys to involve themselves in plots just so they can get more of us. Yeah, one of my big conspiracy theories is that that left wing, whatever terror attack, they quote unquote, stop the Los Angeles was exactly that. They had propped them up. Oh, the terrible, terrible island. Yes, they had propped them. They had set them up. They had propped them up. They arrested them just to say, look, left wing guys are doing it too. Sure. Well, Tracy was, of course, fired and arrested for forgery in December of 1985, but Perry Handy, apparently new Bob and Carol Lazar before Carol died. Carol, you see, it never quite kicked the speed. So her life always had a bit of shade to it as a result. Since Bob and Carol were very much second chance types, they gave Tracy Merck a job at Lazar's photo lab within just four months. Carol was dead and Bob and Tracy were married, although I, as I said, I don't believe that anything the various went down. Rather, I think that these are all just the inner workings of the personal lives of shady people who all live their lives like their side characters in a James crumbly white trash no arm novel. It's fucking insanely interesting, but it is filthy. Mercky lasers indeed. Stop it. Drop to me. It's me. Zoom. Do it slow talking. Where you going with the withdraws. Say, Perry, Hey, think we're gonna get busted. It's me. Slow talking. An early 1989, Bob Lazar apparently decided it was time to get back into the super science game. He became involved with the defense contractor with the typically innocuous name of EGNG. EGNG actually had a long history of working on various nuclear weapons projects, but by the late 80s, they had a contract with the Atomic Energy Commission for various weapons development projects taking place in Nevada. Now, this is just speculation, but it seems like Bob's encounter with Dr. Teller concerning Bob's jet car a few years earlier seems like that's a part of what got Bob's application picked up when Bob began sending resumes around various contractors in the late 80s. And so Bob had his first interview with EGNG in January of 1989, where he met a military official named Dennis Mariani. Dennis would go on to act as a kind of government shaperone and intermediary for Bob as Bob navigated the world of extraterrestrial technology and everything that supposedly came with it. Now, Bob thought that the first interview did not go well, but when they brought him back for a second time, EGNG allegedly told him that he was actually overqualified for the position for which he deployed. That's amazing. Yeah. I've always been holding off for management. Instead, EGNG thought that Bob would be a good fit as a senior physicist in what they called the special projects division. Now, Bob of course jumped at the chance, because in his words, EGNG had a long and successful track record working with the biggest of bangs, nuclear weapons. So Bob took the job and was eventually told to show up at Macaron Airport in Las Vegas, where a plane would take him to EGNG's Nevada test site. This flight to Nevada is what's known as a Janet flight, which is the unofficial name for classified and unmarked passenger aircraft operating for the US Air Force. As near EGNG's Nevada test site, joke that Janet stood for just another non-existent terminal, J-A-N-E-T, because the government routinely denied that the site even existed, even though planes were constantly landing and taking off. And if you're flying in and out of Vegas, you know that this does exist and you see them. They are planes, they're white planes with no numbers on them. They have an orange line traced around their middle and they don't have any demarcations on them. Normally, it's kind of amazing. If you land early enough in Vegas and you see them loading those planes, it's like the maids and the people working at the commissary and so these people. So you see this line of little old ladies lining up to go up onto these flights to take them into all of these top secret fucking areas where they're the janitors and the people that work at the food court and the people that do all the stuff that are, that is not, they have to have top secret clearance, but they don't see any of the stuff. I just had an epiphany. This is why Henry likes Vegas. Yeah, it's because of all the stupid aliens shit that's happening all around it. I love that Vegas. Everything has its price. I love that they don't lie about it. And when Bob arrived to Macaron Airport for that first Janet flight, he was met by Dennis Mariani, who told Bob they were going to be landing at a location that has been known by many names over the years. They've called it the skunk works, watertown, paradise, ranch, dream land and groom lake. But to the public, this location will always be known as area 51. But guess what man? I still think the princess was in another castle. Whoa. You don't think there was the UFOs there? You know, you lost Alamos. You think the UFOs are where they all the radiation was. Yeah. It was a horrible idea. It was only built if you see it. Most Alamos makes sense. All these people because it was a literal city built to hide secrets. So it actually kind of makes sense that you could hide bigger objects inside of Los Alamos. But doesn't area 51 go down like half a mile? We don't know. I thought we do know. We don't know. Not really. No, you're just thinking of Independence Day. Oh, okay. That's what you see. That's what it does. That's what the Independence Day does is that it takes that like that idea of area 51. And now in your mind, that's what area 51 is. Steven Spielberg was a plant. Well, I mean, Steven Spielberg had nothing to do with Independence Day, Roland Emmerich, who should be on a list. That man has blown up the White House more times than our current president. We like it. That's a country we like it. The area 51 was a known quantity in the 1980s to certain types of enthusiasts like Bob Lazar because Bob did naturally have an interest in UFOs. The guy was a fucking Star Trek nerd who built his own rockets. Of course he knew about area 51. Bob did, however, say that he sort of spoiled Dennis's fun by acting unsurprised when Dennis told Bob where they were going that day because Dennis was apparently expecting Bob to freak out a little bit when he said, Hey, we're going to area 51. Yeah, of course. If they take saying like your kids were going to Disneyland. Yeah, yeah, he thought it was the beginning of Jurassic Park. Yeah, no one gave a fuck. I got I've seen dinosaurs. He's like, you can't wait. You have to fuck yeah. Which one's got to be the big as zoo? Which one makes a kill? But to give you a brief history of how area 51 came to be what it is today, the site was built in 1955 as opposed to the permanently top secret facility it's often built as the construction of area 51 was fully announced by the Atomic Energy Commission. They even sent up press releases. Publicly the government in the Air Force claimed the area 51 was the site of a bunch of high altitude weather tests. It's sort of their go to the real purpose of area 51, however, was the most classified program of the era. This was where the military built the U2 spy plane, which was one of the most effective tools the United States had to spy on the Ruskies during the Cold War. My uncle actually flew U2s in the 80s and 90s and had quite a bit of fun playing with my emotions throughout the 1990s after I found out that the U2 was developed at area 51. I asked him about it and he would say all will be revealed in March. See these guys are all like this. Yeah, they're all like that. They all do that. Yeah, you fucking he would play with me. I imagine he would have said I still haven't found what I'm looking for. That's what we have found looking for. He would actually that's more of a statement leading towards us finding practical sort of empirical evidence of UFOs and that way Bono was correct. Yes, we still have not found what we're looking for, but it will be a bloody Sunday when we do. But concerning Bob Lazar, the U2 angle actually supports his story. It makes sense that EG&G had business at area 51. EG&G was the company that hired Bob Lazar. EG&G had in fact supported the development of stealth technologies for Lockheed Martin. They're in the business. And I will have a little bit of a tale for you toward the end of the episode that will also point why it actually kind of makes sense that he would be at area 51. I also heard like people like, you know, you know, obviously, you know, I don't know what to believe, but I've heard a lot of people say that Lockheed Martin's got a fucking craft. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Believe nothing and everything. That's fucking cool. Yeah. It's all ice. Yeah. Well, in the UFO world, area 51 became a part of the narrative in the 1970s when UFO researchers obtained documents that may or may not have been a part of a massive disinformation campaign. These were known as the majestic 12 documents. And they supposedly detailed the inner workings of an organization that recovered crashed alien crafts back in the day. They believe that there was the most secret of secret clearances you could get was called majestic. I went all the way up to grid was a George B.H. Bush's seniors grandfather, Vanervor, Vanervor Bush, Vanervor Bush, Vanervor, Oh, three. Yeah. Pre-pressed in these guys were a part of these guys of the this idea that president Eisenhower knew that we were having we were going to have this sort of essentially agreement with aliens where we're going to give them a certain amount of human beings so they could experiment on in exchange for technology. And the majestic were the people that were sort of dealing with the alien slash as a part of a super secret crash retrieval program, which is then some people are saying that majestic actually never went after crashed UFOs that those UFOs were actually given by alien like entities and alien intelligences for them to work with and Stanton Friedman, our favorite big bellied you fall just right to the rest in peace. This was sort of his sort of like his war. This is what he brought out, but it really seems that it was a bunch of disimhermation. And now we know that what they did was it's not really discredit. I'm starting to find out other things too. It's more like muddle in the water muddy in the waters, Markean. You know what I also say? I'm certainly realized too. It's not just to confuse. It is to see where information goes from point A to Z. Sure. That is very helpful to know. They put markers in the information. So what they'll do is say something there are specific words. So like the majestic papers were probably a series of planted pieces of information to see how far they'd go out. Who basically see how secure are we? And to also see like how does fringe information spread? Who does it? Who does it spread through? How fast does it spread? They gain it effect. What does it effect? Like does it make them? Does it make people go crazy? Yeah. And then there's two reasons why they do this is it because it's all true. And they're trying to make trying to see how we'll react, right? When we find out that there's an alien race that can control our whole reality and it can go in its way past us, right? Or just the other way of how can we use extremize to change people's brains? Yeah. Because if it's a lie, it doesn't matter if it really spreads because it's not true. Exactly. Yeah. But what does matter is studying how it spreads, how far it spreads. And who fucking yeah? Who was the leak? Yeah. Yeah. Who gets it out? Yeah. So there's a lot of different explanations for what majestic 12 might actually be. And it's definitely not real. It's just it's not real in this way. And that's what I will always contact well. Come back to you and I'll do this at the end of the episode. Yeah. Have a whole run now. Yeah. Let's just say the majestic 12 documents do not tell the truth. We'll say that. Now even though majestic 12 is probably disinformation, it is a fact that the Air Force seized 90,000 acres of land around Groom Lake in 1984, expanding area 51. And guards began patrolling area 51 around the same time. And local ranchers were told to stay out or risk being shot and killed. This allegedly was the environment Bob arrived into when his first Janet flight landed at area 51 in 1989. So much fun. Now I don't want to use the word allegedly dozens of times here. So from here on out, I'm just going to tell the story as Bob tells allegedly. Just put it. Put it. Put it. And allegedly over this episode. Yeah. Yeah. When he and Dennis landed at area 51, they were loaded into a Navy blue school bus that took them to an office complex tucked into a mountain. This complex Bob would later learn was known as area S4. And it would be here at S4 that Bob would claim to work on alien technology. Now Bob pedantically maintains that he technically didn't work at area 51 because while S4 is within the area 51 compound area S4 is actually 15 miles south of what would be officially considered official real area 51. You're not helping. It does make it sound more real though. It does. But even so, area S4 was suitably creepy, completely devoid of any signs of human life. Like plants or photos on desks, Bob said that the only decoration in the entire S4 office was a picture of a saucer UFO with a caption ominously saying they're here. I imagine it was over a doorway and they all kind of slapped it as they went by. These guys are all just so it's like, it's like God knows what's real and what's not. God knows. Yeah. Now Bob's first day at S4 was spent doing paperwork for his hopeful security clearance. Majestic, which you mentioned, Majestic clearance was 22 levels higher than what any civilian was supposed to be able to get. That's Q clearance. But Bob was still annoyed at the whole process. He called it a pain in the ass and felt that the people in the room who were giving him these insane privileges were too self-important and arrogant. He said he made jokes during the process to knock him down a peg and amuse himself. But he only gave one example of one of his jokes. He said that when Dennis took his photo for his ID card, Bob said, quote, what no say cheese. You're fired. You know what ever knew you were here? Well Bob's just like he refused to react. He's like, no, he didn't refuse to react. It's an extreme serious. You're not taking this seriously. Yeah. And jokes. That's great. It's a bad joke. And Bob's inability to take any of this seriously might be part of the reason why he never actually received Majestic security clearance. If Majestic security clearance is even a fucking thing. We don't think he did, however, earn himself quite a bit of surveillance because apparently one does have to prove themselves just a bit if they want to be included on projects of this magnitude. Doesn't matter if it is alien tech or not, you're still in one of the most secure locations in the world. Yeah. You're still like on a job that literally some of the biggest geniuses on the face of the planet would kill to be it. And you are just given this. You can have a big mouth and be a cop. Yeah. You know, like much less working on alien technology. It's hard. Even though Bob says he never got Majestic clearance, he was still taken to a small office shortly after being hired so he could read through a stack of files. Dennis wanted Bob to get caught up as quickly as possible on his assignment. That assignment was Project Galileo. From what Bob said, Project Galileo was tasked with reverse engineering a propulsion system from an extraterrestrial craft and the hopes that they could duplicate the technology using materials found on Earth. Bob believed they'd been trying to do this for a while and that Bob was brought in as a pair of fresh eyes. Bob also came across a recent file that contained a vague description of an accidental explosion that had occurred while scientists have been trying to dismantle an extraterrestrial propulsion system. Bob believed that someone had tried cutting through one of the alien reactors with a plasma cutter and had died in the process. Bob also suspected that he had been hired to replace the person who had been killed in this accident. Yeah, there was like an outline of a man fried on the wall. Like this is your seat. Yeah. This is a little war. He I that's kind of like one of those things that makes. Intercents though, like of course, and you'd use it nobody to replace the guy that you just killed. You can't be wasting all these officially accredited scientists that people would be looking for. They'd be like, Oh, so they stole this like the most powerful. You remember we talked about it. It shows it. It's in when we did the whole when we did Oppenheimer. You see, when the Manhattan Project, remember that was a part of the issue was that they were having problems with the Nazis understanding that people were leaving certain educational positions to go work at Los Alamos. And so you could kind of using reverse counter espionage. You can kind of see, Oh, they're working on something. If there's a brain drain from all these big places. So it's great. Yeah, use this fucking local loser. Let him explode. Yeah. I mean, you don't want to use the guy who might actually like come up with the weapon that could win the Cold War like the guy who's working on like the Star Wars defensive system, which is that's what Bob always wanted to work on. He always wanted to work on Star Wars. I know he was a head storytellers thing. Yeah, but Bob, but that's the things that you're going to have. You're Yale guys, you're Princeton guys working on that. Bob was are the the guy who's working on the project in which he might blow up at any second. That's you send the jet car guy. Yeah, Bob's an auto mechanic. He's not a designer. Yeah. Bob was not explicitly told that he was working on alien tech. He did note the use of the term extra terrestrial while perusing the files, but Bob presumed that it simply referred to something beyond his security clearance. That opinion, however, changed when Bob learned about the compartmentalized divisions working on the alien tech. While Bob been assigned propulsion, he learned that there were other teams working on other aspects of the technology. Although these teams were not allowed to work together, share information, or even communicate with one another. As far as the other divisions went, project looking glass was tasked with dealing with the materials the alien craft was made of while project sidekick was looking into the weaponry. Well, project looking glass is also the that was what brought us the chronometer at some point, not the the chrono visor. Oh, really? Yeah, project looking glass. That was one of the big things. So that means that the big results of the chrono visor. Okay. And Bernie and Bernie von Braun were also involved in project looking glass. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They were charged and then project looking glass. The problems that they were looking into the future and all the elites, but they would discover is that they couldn't control the future, but they could use this looking glass technology to test what would happen depending on certain choices in the future. And eventually the elites were getting frustrated because they couldn't get passed how emotionally evolved we all would come in 2012. Yeah, you remember that. Like every in 2012 when we all became emotionally involved and everything like got better. Yeah, in the world, we became a utopia. Yeah, just kept getting better and better every year after that. I mean, I was so I was such a better person back then. No, I'm saying no, you remember the utopia right now, the free energy world of rent. The elites got so frustrated that they couldn't stop us from going woke. Yeah, they canceled the project. We looking glass also figured out that brandy was a fine girl. Yeah, but a good wife, she would be. Unfortunately, Project looking glass was married to the sea. Yes. And she only had just brandy. I just realized that whole song she's about a big ol' whore. Hey, no, it's not, no, it's not. No, no. She's friendly. What's wrong with you? Jesus. My God. Oh God, you spurt you. Yeah. It's the biggest map set as people got what I wanted to put Finn Wolfhard on my death pool. You did? You did. Yeah, but I chose the other guy. I chose the Pope. And this is far more upsetting. Brandy is a fine. She's fine. I'm joking. I'm joking. She's a beautiful woman. I'm certain she was fine. What blew the lid open for Balbozar was when he was looking through the stack of folders and came upon one simply titled Biology. I love cock pictures. I love him. I'm too. How many licks to get to the set? I mean. I won. I just took the one. The book fully acknowledges that he had not met the clearance requirements at all to see the materials contained within the biology folder. And if this folder did indeed exist, it might have been given to Bob by accident. The only way it could have gotten there. See within this folder, allegedly, we're two, I know I wasn't going to say it, but I think it's important here to say allegedly. Legically. We're two black and white photos of a humanoid torso with the head and limbs cropped out of the frame. The torso had a t-shaped incision, like one might see in autopsy, and the gray white skin of the creature was pulled back to display a quote, undifferentiated mass of tissue that did not resemble human organs. Bob also claimed that there were handwritten notes on the photos in which previous viewers had expressed astonishment at how the mass of fleshy materials had served as this being's innards. Wow. The cow are we going to fuck it? I'm the pussy in this Johnson. Wow. How will it eat tockies? I don't know how we'll ship it, New Doritos. We will have to find a way for it to eat food. Wow. The kicker though was a further note saying that the alien craft that had brought these beings to Earth had originated from a planet in the Zeta, reticuli star system, some 39 light years from Earth. That guy, I mean, this story got very clear over the years. The moment that he's at the moment, the words, I know Zeta, reticuli exists. It is a star system that does exist. But the moment you bring up the words, Zeta, reticuli, there is a massive segment of the population that they're gone. They're done. They're done. They're done as soon as they hear the words, Zeta, reticuli. What if this was him getting a part of the majestic 12? What if this was the misinformation handed to him to see if he would give it out to other people? That's the thing. That's the thing that you're starting to get it at word. Woo. You're starting to get it. Well, think about this, right? Imagine again, we're always going to say that from the world of this is totally real. You have a UFO and a hanger, you don't know what it is, right? Let's say what you've done now is that's mysterious and just easy enough as it is. But just saying we have some mysterious new craft. That's a way that could be flipped a bunch of different ways. So you zino them, you zino them, motherfucker, you hand them a bunch of fake information and say, now what do you do? Now like, okay, so we told you all about it's all aliens. Yep, there's all aliens. Definitely not stuff we've made. Definitely nothing we stole from Russia. It's all aliens. Yeah. Now once Bob was done reading the files, he was introduced to his lab partner, Barry Castillo. Batting fourth. For the most out of most potry. I am the Dr. Lutney. I am absorbed Lutney, the real to be here. I'm a real 51. I'm a man who the people that manage to add an area 51 to my small country allow me to play. And I want to say hello to all of my friends is so off. Barry Castillo, more or less told Bob that yeah, you're here to replace the guy who got killed fucking around with the alien reactor. But in the end, Bob says that he and Barry bonded because, wow, I didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're standing on the shoulders of San Francisco. He and Barry bonded because neither one of them were military. Once introductions were made, Barry showed Bob the technology that they were supposed to reverse engineer. They threw him in the deep end day one. Basically, the mechanism that they were working on had two parts and a mirror and a reactor. The emitter was a puter colored cylinder about the size of a garbage can totally smooth with no seams or bolts. The object they called the reactor was also puter colored, but it was more of a half sphere about the size of a basket ball sitting on a plate. Sitting on top of that sphere was a smaller sphere that could be removed like a cap. And to demonstrate what the object could do, Barry removed the cap and placed a small copper colored triangle shaped disc under the smaller sphere, then put the cap back on. Barry then turned on the reactor and told Bob to try to walk towards it. Bob was surprised to find that he couldn't even approach the object because an unseen force was pushing him away as if he and the reactor were two magnets of the same pole. This Barry explained was the whole function of the reactor. Basically the reactor produced anti-gravity. It pushed itself away from any object that approached it. This technology could be harnessed to produce a gravity well in which a spaceship uses the power of gravity to pull itself through space rather than how we do it, which is pushing the craft forward with rockets. The analogy he used was if you have a bunch of billiard balls on a bed and then you throw a bowling ball in the center of it, all the billiard balls will go towards the bowling ball. I'm the bowling ball. You're the bowling ball. But he's a billiard ball. Oh my God. Pissed on the bed. I know. The idea is that you create a hole in gravity. It's like falling. You're creating an artificial scenario where the UFO is falling at the speed of gravity. But then because gravity is an entirely different force, it also creates a sort of or reality bending kind of atmosphere around the object that bends light, which means why you can't see it half the time. And also why it has that weird wobble is because you're like looking at a thing that's kind of like we can't literally we can't see it. Light is not getting through the thing around it. Well, basically the idea with the bowling ball is that, you know, if you drop a bowling ball on a mattress and you push on another point in the mattress, then the bowling ball is going to go towards that point. And the point that you're pushing down, that's the gravity well itself. You know, so basically the gravity well, like you create a point in which the object is constantly being pulled towards it at incredible speeds, which that's how supposedly how this technology, this alien technology worked. That is how the gravity is essentially fuel. Yes. Exactly. Now Bob claims that on his second night at area S4, his military handler, Dennis, took him to a hanger to get Bob a better idea of how all this fit together. In that hanger, Bob saw several cylindrical UFOs, but these all had American flags on the fuselages. You know, we thought that's how game of throne should have ended. Yeah. Or to fucking flying saucers with American flags. Yeah. When it comes out when fucking AR 15. Oh, fucking god. Exactly. Exactly. I think it's like all of that. It's like Ted Cruz with all these. Oh, my God. Soldiers. Like, sorry guys. I just broke. Hey, to West. You got better here. Yeah, but my daughter loves butter. Oh, the way there's bad. I got to get on. When Bob walked close enough to the cylindrical UFOs to touch them, a security guard yelled at him to step away. Now, even though Bob's access was limited, this was groundbreaking stuff if they could figure out how to make it work. And it was Bob's job to figure out how both the emitter and the reactor function so a different team could replicate it for the American military. Reportedly, they were racing against the reds who were trying to do the same thing with the UFOs that they had supposedly recovered. How many times were always in competition with others? Patients in yourself. It's not the American way, not in the 20th century, my friend. I know. We're in the 21st century. Fine. Wow. I'm going to be in the 21st century. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, man, I love the future. Old as fuck. Yeah, you are. No. You're sick too. You're fine. Look at that. I can tell. Well, start the project. Bob and Barry figured they'd first try to figure out what the triangles shaped disks were made of because those were obviously the reactor's fuel source. If you figure out what fuels these things, and that's your first step towards reverse engineer. Now, Bob took some scrapings from the triangle, but could not identify the material as any known Earth element. He even sent a city senate to Los Alamos Labs. They couldn't identify it either. So Bob named it element 115 because at the time, there were only 113 elements on the periodic table. Since the 1980s, elements 1.14 through 1.18 have been synthesized using particle accelerators. Element 115 is now known as Moscovium. Bob, however, is pretty attached to referring to his element, the one taken from the disk, as element 115. So he more or less ignores the existence of Moscovium altogether. I looked up Moscovium because I never heard of it and it said it's useless. So I agree with Bob. We don't know what it's supposed to. It's just there because we can construct it. The periodic table is elements that can hold together stably. So certain areas of like certain like very, very base elements can do it. Like we know that we can make it sort of for like parts of a second, it can hold together. And it's extraordinarily radioactive. And what he's trying to say, which is there's no scientific basic for basis four, is that there's something specifically special about element 115 that when it breaks down into element 116, it admits a gravity like aura, which no other thing does. Yeah. Now, after two months at area S4, Bob and his lab partner Barry have made no progress whatsoever on their assignment. So they talked to Dennis to see if they could get some information on the other projects, like looking glass or sidekick. And Dennis did not fulfill their request, but he did take Bob and Barry to investigate an actual flying saucer held in an area 51 hanger a few days later, which is arguably far better than what they asked for. Now, according to Bob, the craft they were allowed to inspect was plain and smooth all over as if it was made from a mold. Bob was even allowed inside, but he said that the ceiling was too low for him to stand up straight. And the chairs were obviously made for beings that were much smaller than the average human. Bob also didn't see any seatbelts, restraints, switches, dials or displays. But Bob also said that he was only allowed to see two of the craft's three levels. All I know is if the aliens were tiny and hairless and in these things, you know, I think I'm looking at Ariana Grande, Cynthia Riva. Yeah. What is tiny and what is hairless? There are aliens. Yes. It's a two of them. It's the two of them. They scared me. No problem too. I'm not putting a past him. No. Downward and men and black territory. Yeah. Now, Bob was of course not allowed to share the nature of his work with his wife Tracy. During the three to four months, the Bob was working at area 51, but because Bob could not talk about it, tensions began building in their marriage and Bob was experiencing tensions of his own. Because Bob still hadn't gotten majestic clearance, he was never promoted from part time to full time at area S4. So he still had to run the photo lab with Tracy the whole time he was working on this project. This again is a very human detail that I think gives the story more credence. It is true. A lot of these guys, they don't make a lot of money. Yeah. But adding to the stress was the fact that a few weeks after Bob started working at area S4, Tracy began complaining that there was a couple of men parking their car just a few hundred feet from their house. And they were obviously surveilling Bob and his property. And to add even more stress, Bob claims that his military contact Dennis handed him a 22 pistol one day out of nowhere and told him that a new directive have been issued for all employees to carry guns when they're off site. Now I don't believe that that part actually happened. He's your juicer. I think Bob's insecurities aren't just in the academic realm. I think Bob likes to present himself as a bit of a tough guy and he definitely likes his story to have a certain espionage flavor. I would pick a 22. Yeah. It's a spy gun. It's small. It's compact. That's cool. And we should have gotten a bag of head with it. Things around him. It's head. It's a special spring. Michael. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. No, no. Well, I think it is like that's the thing. At times, his choices are kind of hacky, especially when you get to the like the Dennis stuff that as we're going to get into later, like there's some stuff that is like I said, like it rings so true that it reminds me of like a great novelist. Yes. And then there are other times when it is the hackiest fucking shit that I have ever heard in my life that is obviously Bob making something up. Now because Bob was supposedly told that he needed to carry a gun, he said he refused the 22 because he already owned a 44 Magnum in a newsie. What? It's fine. And make it all legal. Bob said that he contacted a friend of his about getting his gun registered for work. And that's how a man named Gene Huff comes into the story. Oh, Gene Huff, man. Yeah. That's a guy. That's a name that eats pussy. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I think he let Bob do the pussy in for. We were talking about this. We took a break and I was saying the Bob Lazar does have like classic pussy eaten mouth. He does. This is sexy guy. Yeah. Well, Gene Huff was a real estate appraiser who'd known Bob since 1984 when the two met after Bob started developing photos of homes for Gene. Eventually, the two men discovered that they both loved explosions and pyro techniques. In fact, Bob had actually put together a gathering of explosives enthusiasts in the Nevada desert in 1987 and called the whole thing desert blast. Cool. And Gene Huff had obviously participated. Now, through Gene Huff, Bob was introduced to another UFO legend completely by coincidence. See, Gene Huff was acting as an appraiser for the son of the guy who had founded Lear Jet. And this heir to the Lear Jet fortune was UFO mainstay John Lear. Oh, the inventor of the spy tractor. Well, he was seeding. Yeah. See, he was this. Very funny. Yeah. He was the son of the guy that did the Lear Jet, right? He was the magnet. The guy that ran the Lear Jet. This guy, John Lear is another one of those. Very difficult to pin down whistleblowers. He is the guy that is the whistleblower for the US government has a tacit agreement with aliens. He used the one that said President Eisenhower, but did a fake dentist appointment in Florida to have a group of have a meeting with alien grays in order to carve up society. Right. And then he also is the guy that says like John Lear very deep into majestic 12. Is it called the Gata Treaty? Yeah, the Gata Treaty. He also was a he's just a but the thing about him is that another weird spook guy. He was a full CIA pilot for a long time. So he was full deep in the intelligent services. And then he came out of it all being like, I've seen aliens. I've worked with aliens and I did all this stuff. And then who I mean, he's just another super cryptic weirdo deep inside of all this and we have no idea what because if you connect him to Richard Odie and Paul Benowitz, Paul Benowitz ended up going into a mental asylum because of disinformation, literally disinformation destroys lives. It's a guy. It gets real muddy in there also Truman Air Force Base, Key West. Yes, there's Key West, great place to hide shit. No one's down there. There's two scats. Lots of toes on those cats. How are they have so many toes? Maybe they're from Zeta, Ritokoli. Ritokoli. I don't believe you anymore. Now I don't believe you've lost me. I don't believe you. He's lost you, but he's found me. Wow. So a little bit of a cover. That was before. And nothing has been asking us to do a little market research on all listening for cats. Bests. We were. No, no, no. No. Now since Gene Huff was a UFO enthusiast, John Lear negotiated an exchange of UFO videos and quote unquote other materials for Gene's real estate appraisal services in lieu of actual payment and lieu of cash. And so Bob, Gene and John formed a bit of a UFO group. Although Bob says that John Lear quote did not have a bullshit detector, meaning that John would believe anything. The increased surveillance was starting to get to Bob after a few months working on and off at Area S4. And so he was still just part time. Bob only came in when he was called, but it seems like the surveillance was nonstop. After being followed around for months, Bob said he came out of the gym one day to find that while the doors on his dots in 280 Z were fully open. And those are the doors to go up. Yeah. The doors to go up. Yeah. Yeah. His possessions were still in his car. Bob believe that this was a show of power that they. We all know in they were proving that they could do anything they wanted, but simply chose not to. I don't disagree necessarily. Maybe they just didn't want the 38 special. Because that's it. We need all the pictures of Carol's Bush development. We need all the various pictures of him and Gene of Eiffel Towering some weird sex worker. But John Lear was in the back on. You know, I did. I'll need any of that. You're like, this is gross. I think God, I can't make it through Wednesday morning without hang on loosely. I can't make it through. I can't make it through. I'm so fucking stupid. They took my fucking credence. And so Bob started thinking that because of what he knew and what he had seen, that it was very possible that he could wind up in the Nevada desert with a bullet in his head and a fabricated suicide note left at home if he wasn't careful. He then, of course, spent the next few weeks being incredibly reckless. So after a few months, Bob got the feeling that his time at S4 was coming to an end. He wasn't getting called in anymore. He only received one paycheck the whole time he'd been there for a little under a thousand dollars, which also rings true. Contractors out there of people who work with contractors and people who are freelancers, you know how hard it is to get paid. Yes. I mean, you know, you know, you know, you kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind Wednesday night at around 8 p.m. out in the Nevada desert. Bob began bringing his wife Tracy and his UFO buddies Jean Huff and John Lear out to a location called the box. Yeah, which is very much just a black mailbox on a stretcher road that is now cheekily called the extraterrestrial highway. The box is actually just a mailbox. It belongs to a rancher named Steve who does not believe in aliens at all. Oh, yes. Damn tired of your top foolery and your bullshit. I don't like him from space. I don't like him from Guadalajara. Hello, friend. I got a higher shot from different. I hate different old stuff. Don't even like Irish. What kind of what? Well, Steve eventually had to reinforce the mailbox with bulletproof metal and padlocks because UFO enthusiasts kept stealing his mail. Yeah. And he has since added a second mailbox for tourists, simply labeled alien. Oh, he's getting a certain break. He's saying, he says people put money in it. Yeah, like they're trying to just give money to aliens. Like, here's $20. Thank you. Thank you. You're a very, very good mailbox. I leave it 20 times. But after Bob met his crew at the box, they would all head just north of area 51 in John Lear's Winnebago. And once they got to a good view in spot, they'd open up their beer cooler, drink a few brews and watch the alleged UFOs do their thing. See, this is the part that I can get by. Oh, yeah. It's a blast. Yeah. I fully believe this. Yeah. Well, you saw the footage. The footage is actually really interesting. Yeah. Say what you will about Bob. But there's, as you said, footage in every single person, the Bob named in these viewing sessions maintains that they did indeed see some incredible and some seemingly impossible things with Bob was are. They went saw, for example, a bright orange light moving incredibly fast across the horizon in a staircase maneuver. It appeared at one height. Then it went up and over, up and over and up and over like a staircase. It accelerated an estimated 700 miles per hour and stopped instantaneously, which of course should be impossible. We've got nothing on earth that can do that, especially not anything that doesn't use doesn't affect isn't affected by inertia. Yeah. You said this video to us. We did watch the three of them in Tracy. They were all out there. And like I really like there was like a dot for sure, but like I could. Oh, fuck. No, I just need some my computer. It's hard. It is hard. You could see the thing you could see they will they're watching a thing. Yeah. Right. They're all sitting there watching the thing zip around in the sky. You just don't quite know what it is. Yeah. And it's also you're watching a VHS from 40 years ago. It's not going to be great. I mean, how is the best quality? We talk about Marcus. That is like how it's supposed to be seen. It is supposed to be seen from a ripped VHS tape. Sure. In the dark at the lowest quality possible. That's the only way it's cool. That's why iPhones don't catch the UFOs, man. It's the tape that you need because they didn't figure it out how to stop the tape from recording them. Fuck yeah, bro. Yeah, did. Yeah. Tricks for phenomenon. The fun, however, all came to an end on the third trip out to drink beer and watch UFOs. Well, they were watching these flights. The cop showed up to hassle Bob's crew. But after taking everyone's licenses and checking them out, the cop came back and said, quote, I guess they know who you are down there. You're all free to go. They checked out Bob. And even though Bob's crew escaped consequences that night, Bob got an earful from his military liaison, Dennis, the next day. Oh, Dennis. Supposedly, Dennis asked Bob how he could have possibly gotten it twisted in his mind that it was okay to tell his friends about this highly classified project. Bob defended himself by asking what's the harm everyone in Las Vegas already knows about these strange lights that are constantly flying around area 51 who gives a shit. What about what about what about what about and Bob? Yeah, and Bob wouldn't even be called in to work at area S4 anymore. Anyway, we all see was busier. Maybe if I was like had some hours, wherever, that fucking wouldn't be out there. I mean, I'm super fucking bored and I got nothing to do out here. Mm hmm. But Dennis and a suitably dramatic scene told Bob that this project was far more important than any one single person, more important than your life, more important than mine. It's bigger than a sunny gym. Bigger thing you've ever worked on. You're all little life. All right. You get out there. You show me them orbs. Finally though, when Bob kept protesting that he and his friends were just looking at a few lights in the sky, Dennis got paranoid, accused Bob of sabotage in the project. Demand and I know who you're working for Bob. I barely work it for myself. Yeah. If you have any photos to develop, I could work for you. They wouldn't be kind of nice. Actually, I am looking for you extra hours. I want to get you dick sucked and re-know. I know just the I know just the lucky lady. All right. Here's my card. All right. I'm what you'd call a woman Somalia. Bob's life, however, was about to fall apart in more ways than one. After Bob and Dennis argued that day for some time, Dennis decided to twist the knife as fully as he could twist it. Near the end of the fight, Dennis allegedly said, Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. Your wife has been having an affair with her flight instructor Tony since February. You fucking idiot. You ruined him. I knew they weren't flying at midnight. Wow. You did the flight. Didn't take off from the bud records. Dennis then handed Bob transcripts of every call between Tony and Tracy. Take a look. Is there that? Yeah. And it became apparent that Tony and Tracy had been meeting every time Bob was working out an area as for your manager. And not only Sean, but I've been I've been living alive. I'm just a cuckled. I'm just a cuckled. And there he stared. The book was, of course, bummed about the affair, but he was almost more bond that his wife's affair was most likely in his estimation why he never got majestic clearance and therefore why he never got a full time position at area S4. That actually is true. They do hold your family against you. They go in the researcher family. If you work in the intelligence services, they go in researcher family and if you have two wild card of a family, you won't get certain declarances. Yeah. Of course not. Yeah. But that's the thing. You won't get the clearance, but Jimmy Carter can still become president with Billy as his brother. It's amazing. He's got to be president. That's the things. You've got to be, that's what our wise president learned. You got it. You just got to be the president. Then you could do whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what Bob could have had a hundred Biden in his life. No. Wow. No. Please don't. Well, as Bob put it, a man whose wife is cheating on him is likely to find out at some point. And he's likely to be emotionally unstable as a result. And so Bob went home that day after talking with Dennis and he confronted Tracy. Tracy justified her affair by saying that he'd been ignoring her ever since he'd gotten his mysterious job with EG and G. Bob then left and with nowhere else to go, he went where every man in the UFO game eventually ends up one way or another. He went to stay in his buddy jeans, doomsday bunker until things worked themselves out. It's very comfortable couch down there. There's, there's light. I have some rations. There's, there we have this map of what the United States will look like after Civil War. Yeah. I got a towel, but I don't have a washcloth. So you're going to, you're on your own there. Yeah, it's okay. Don't worry. I wash it by hand. I'm one of those barred, so bar, diff scry, to skin guys. Right? I can see that with bubbles. Yeah. No, no, no, Lufa. No, no, Lufa at all. Yeah. Just the soap. All right. Remember we're in a bunker. So if it's yellow, let it mellow. Brown, choke it down. You're going to eat that right? We're going to have a subject day. Unfortunately though, things were permanently severed with Tracy and Bob and Tracy separated in May of 1989. So no matter what actually happened at area S4, area 51, Tracy was fucking Tony. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was true. That was true. That was not a conspiracy. Yeah. That was a very much reality. Yeah. And you know, if you go to contact in the desert, you could know that everyone there who has a wife is currently, that wife is getting laid happily at home. No, no, no, no, no, no, baby. You need to go. You need to go. This is your weekend. This is your thing. I know it's so important to you. I need you to go. You know, I mean, I mean, you need to go. You need you to go to this thing. I had this dream last night that you went. You have to go. Could you get me a crystal this year? Can you get me a white man's African outfit? I love white wakandas the best. According to Bob, life got dangerous around the time that he and his wife split up. In early May, in 1989, Bob claims someone driving in a car next to him, shot out one of the tires on his Datsun 280Z. Bob believes that this was a warning from the government because only a professional could have shot a tire from a moving vehicle. I don't know. Those guys out there shooting rattlesnakes from fucking 20 yards away. I think it's kind of the funnest thing they do is shoot tires at a moving vehicle. Yeah. My dad can, he can actually hit a bird sitting on a, was it a telephone wire from a moving car while he's driving. Yeah. There's multiple movies about it. Break down wrong turn. You. Is this all story falling apart right now? Bob claims that this incident is what convinced him to go public with what he knew about what was happening at area S4 and area 51 at large. See Bob's friend John Lear had already done a TV interview outlining everything he knew about UFOs with everyone's favorite Nevada news anchor George Nat. Yeah. I'm not even going to see you. George. That guy. That motherfucker. Y'all know George Nath. He doesn't work. That's a real investigate reporter. You can't say Jack dick about George. George. Nath is an actual journalist. And so John Lear put Bob's R in contact with George. George. Nath agreed to do an interview with Bob on the local news that kept Bob's interview hidden. A George and Bob did not fuck around because Bob's first appearance was May 15, 1989, just a couple weeks after the alleged shooting incident. It was also, however, not too long after Bob found out about his wife's affair. And one could definitely draw a few conclusions from that timeline. But even so, I do believe that George Nath has a very good sense of people. And George believed that follows are was telling the truth. We definitely believed that there were he was going to go and dig up what he could. Yeah. And I think that he liked Bob. At the very least, I believe that he thought that there was some truth to George's story. Well, I do and to Bob story and I do believe that they're Bob story. And I do believe that they're I do think that there is too, but we'll get into it. Now, to be the slightest bit cheeky, Bob appeared in his interview with George as a shadowy figure in a car using the name Dennis. There's a little nod to his military contact. A bit of a fuck you. Hey, that's the car that I shot at. Yeah. He appeared in his extraordinarily rare dots in 280Z. No one else is going to know. I was going to recognize the car with the doors that go up. Well, you'd think this would be a local story that would come and go local nutball says something weird about the desert, the Dennis interview, as it's come to be known, immediately received international attention. It was huge. Portions were broadcast across not just America, but in six European countries and in a nationally televised TV special in Japan in very short order. Area 51 went from being a fringe belief to a central part of the world's collective knowledge about UFOs. I guess that this is May of 1989. Independence day is 1996, 1997. The fucking area 51 video game. Remember the shooter one of the art games. It's so fucking amazing. It's so awesome. I said, played a recently. It's great. 95, you know, 94, like area 51 was just boom. It was there because also it's great name. You know, it's it's fun to say. It's utterly mysterious. We've no idea what happens there. They do have those like giant like carved into the mountain, like like that's real. That is. Yeah. And it's like one of those things when I first heard of area 51, I felt like I had heard about it my whole life. Of course. Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah. Especially after the Manhattan project, it makes a lot of fucking sense. But this broadcast was not without its supposed threats. After the interview aired, Bob claims that Dennis called him up and asked, quote, Bab, do you have any idea what we're going to do to you now? Bob said no. But then Dennis just hung out. Didn't say anything. That was with her but all. Come down there. I'm gonna kiss him. I kiss you. He'd be right before he hung up. He heard say, Hey, yeah, it's good. He doesn't know. Yeah. Apparently wasn't paying attention during that part of the briefing. So yeah, just go ahead and start warming up the machine. Turn it on. Turn it on. No, because you know it takes a while for it to climb. It was obvious that George had a hit here. So two days after the May 15th broadcast, George Natt called up Bob Lazar to do more interviews. Bob claims that he agreed reluctantly. But he also insisted that if he was going to do it, he needed to reveal his identity on camera to give his story more credibility. This is the paradox of Bob Lazar constantly saying that he just not like attention while also drawing incredible amounts of attention to himself. I have a reason why I'm going to the end. But after the second interview was taped in which Bob revealed his identity. Bob panicked and told George Natt that he didn't want the interview to air. See, George had told Bob the Bob could back out at any point. Of course. To the second the interview was aired. Yeah, you got to. And Bob was indeed trying to back out. This part, I also believe apparently this conversation was happening as George Natt was walking towards the studio to hand over the videotape containing Bob's interview. And when George told Bob, hey, you're just getting cold feet. This interview needs to be aired. Bob full on, tackle George and took him to the floor in an attempt to grab the tape. Yeah, George was like, I could see him standing like a pugilist. I was like, doing that like the Bob Barker punch. Oh, they were rolling around on the floor. I'm George is holding the tape just out of Bob's reach. I'm stronger than you, Bob. You'll fuck with me, Bob. I'm stronger than you. He said, we're doing the right thing here. We're doing the right thing. Just calm down, Bob. Just calm down. Just calm feet, Bob. Listen, break it. Everybody's gonna be upset. Okay. And eventually George won. And as George handed over the tape to be aired, Bob reportedly just sat on the floor with his head in his hands. But in the end, George was right. He had put together a five part series for K L A S TV called UFOs, the best evidence. And he wisely waited until part five to fully reveal Bob Lazar's identity. This is a showman. Now they did discuss the fact that none of the schools or workplaces that Bob claimed to have attended or worked out. They did discuss that there was no record of Bob anywhere. But interestingly, this is a part that is that is that this is where you can't get in like, these are the things that are true. Although the Los Alamos National Lab initially denied that Bob had worked there, they did eventually admit that Bob had been employed there for a time through a contractor. It's fascinating that they tried to deny it, right? Yeah. They like, it's kind of interesting that they were like, they didn't just kind of like explain more. They were like, yeah, I'm fine. And so you're telling me the Alamos didn't remember. It's not their job. We have to remember them. Furthermore, you know, area S4, it's a real place. It ended up coming out that it was a real place. It did exist. An FBI agent, the Bob new by name guy named Mike Thigpin. He also confirmed that he worked on Bob security clearance. Bob's friends also, as I said, they confirmed that they went out to the Nevada desert on three consecutive Wednesdays where they saw strange lights that they could not explain. So there is some stuff here. It's not like it's not like Montauk project where it's fucking nothing. It's just entirely fake. And it's just a fun story. Like, with Bob's are, there's shit here. Like, there is a little bit of substance. Yes. And then we'll find out later too. He was rated by the FBI. All these things did happen to him. Yeah. Now, after the interviews aired, Bob claimed that he continued to be monitored. And Gene Huff reported that he was being tailed as well. It did not, however, appear that the government was willing to kill Bob. So Bob's life just sort of continued. It did, however, continue in a relatively shady manner. See, Bob doesn't discuss this at all in his book. But about a year after his interviews with George Naff, Bob was arrested for pandering, which is the act of promoting, facilitating, or profiting from immoral or unlawful activities. In other words, Bob was arrested for penthon without a license. He was being a manager. Yeah. You should have a license. If it is going to be something that's allowed, there should be like, you know, some kind of regulation. I believe, like, Sam, I think it should all be legal. 100%. Yeah. But you know, they've been ain't easy. No, it's not. It's actually specifically difficult. Well, as one version of the story goes, Bob had paid a woman named Tony Bullock $100 for sex, then recruited her to do sex work out of his apartment, and then Nevada town of Paradise. Bob claimed that he was trying to modernize sex work with computers, which admittedly buried forward thinking in 1990. Super laser. But an examination of Bob's computers found only records of Tony's customers and further records showed that Bob had ridden the apartment in Paradise a week before he hired Tony Bullock. And it also showed records that Bob was taking 50% of what Tony was making, which is very generous. Cut. I mean, some pimps take more. I know. I know. I know. I know. And they take it with the hand, man. That's why I was a pimple. I just fucking, I was a pimple. I do it with positive validation. Sure. Yeah. And like, I like what you're doing. Loving your hustle, loving your work. Here's your hall. Here's a lollybob. Yeah. All right. I think this up. I see you pimping at the Taj Mahal. Yeah. But the Bob's credit, the prosecutor in Bob's case said that while Bob was trying to recruit other women from legal brothels for his local operation, his actions quote, and this is the words of the DA, they were not the type of involvement when one thinks of a pimple. Now normal, when we have some form of impulsity here, or possibly you're talking about Pimper in a chance. If I'm seeing some pimper going on, you know, he has to have his cup. You know, he has to have his frame in hand. You know, he wasn't even wearing a cape. Yeah. He can. He can now be pimping so casually. I look at this man. Shoes and I see no goldfish in this house. His pepination is nowhere near reaching the standards for Nevada law. Never take a look at your orthopedic ass. All right. You must get some heel. Some rise that Pimper name. He said, for example, there was no drugs involved. That's you might expect that with pants. There's no intimidation, no force, no, no, no, no, no, coercion, at all. Bob really was too nice. He was, no, he was trying to do DIY sex work. Yeah. He's just trying to help. Yeah. He's just trying to help. He's just he want he just want. He's like, and I had some experience in the brothel business. And he was apparently, I mean, there's a whole other side quest to this where, you know, Jorah were Gene Huff says that Bob was really depressed after the interview came out. And so he started going to sex workers and he started going to this one specific brothel where he became friends with the madam. And then Bob started fixing all the electronics and all the broken radios of the girls that worked there. And then the madam fell in love with Bob. And then Bob. And then she eventually told him that she was an FBI informant. She also worked for Las Vegas Metro. And then Bob eventually had to say like, no, no, no, I, she said that I'm in love with you. And Bob said, you can't be in love with me. I'm not in love with you. And then Bob started doing his own pimping business. The pimping is not really. Especially when you talk about all this. Yeah. I know. Now there's that sound fun. A lot of a lot of ins and outs. Yeah. Because you love it. Yeah. You got it. You really do got, well, I mean, there's some people who do it for the money. And that's to be honest empty. Yeah. Well, as George Natt put it, Bob was always trying to help someone out. And as usual, he got in trouble for it. And there are men that just happen to be people love sex workers. Sure. I think that Bob those are is one of those things where he's a genuine friend to sex workers. Truly so. And you know what? The world needs men like that. Of course. You got to have a nice guy who's going to help out. He's doing the computer work. He's doing all the fucking text though. Yeah. Someone's got to talk to these ladies. Well, I mean, that's actually that's what Bob was our says is that when he was hanging out at that brothel, he was trying to modernize the whole thing. He was trying to, you know, bring this brothel into the 21st century before the 20th century was even over. Yeah. Bob is great. And who better to try out lies on than a sex worker? Because she's heard. And then sex worker could be like, now that's a good line. Yeah. They know that's a real convincing lie, Bob. But there's no better liar in the world than a sex worker. And she's going to tell him what he wants to hear. Oh, God. So great. What a great way. Well, George and I actually wrote character testimony letters for Bob during Bob's trial for pandering. So Bob actually got out with a sentence of 150 hours of community service six months probation in an order to stay out of brothels. She did bed brought. He couldn't have created back pages.com. But he was kicked out of the game. He was so close though. And the final strange chapter in Bob's life came just a few years ago. See, in the years since the pandering arrest, Bob has founded a successful company called United Nuclear that sells chemicals, elements, lab equipment, and tons of area 51 merch. But in 2018, when Bob Lazar was working on a documentary with Jeremy Corbell, perhaps right around the time that Jeremy was weaponizing Bob's curiosity, the FBI rated Bob's company. Bob and Jeremy claimed that the day before the raid, they had been in Bob's office discussing the mysterious element that that had powered the UFOs, element 115. And Bob had admitted that he had stolen a sample of the stuff from area S4. The next day allegedly is when the FBI rated United Nuclear. But if this is indeed how it went down, it does seem to be a total fucking coincidence because the FBI's raid on Bob's office was actually tied to a murder case involving chemicals that may have been purchased from United Nuclear. Yeah. So that's why I think he made up the lie of that of the searching for the element in order to cover up for the fact that he was he was probably party to a murder. I actually think part of what Bob Lazar, part of his lies are a lot of like I have to get out of the trouble very quickly. Oh, so you're telling me that that entire scene at the beginning of that documentary in which Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbell are fiercely texting each other. You're telling me that was staged. That didn't that didn't happen exactly like that. The cameras weren't rolling. Yeah, I just feel that maybe Jeremy might have been very enthusiastic about being near Bob and that Bob had a new personal life. Jeremy had already weaponized my curiosity. He did. He did. You just you go on to put the blanks in. You know, when you put the blanks in your curiosity, you want to shoot them into the sand. So do they say the FBI took element one 15 from them? No, no, they still got it apparently. He's still got it. He boofed it. Yeah. And that's how you get rates. Well, in December of 2015, this is the story of how the FBI came to be on Bob Lazar's doorstep. In December of 2015, a Michigan woman named Janet Sturzel. Janet Sturzel. Oh, Jennifer. Interesting. And did you notice that Tony, the sex worker that Bob was working with when he got arrested had the same name as the man who was sleeping with his second wife? That's actually just weird. Yeah, that's fucking weird. That's sad. He started fucking a woman with the same name of the guy that cut him out. That's strange. Yeah. Well, subscribe to you. You got to be a couple of cut to be the cut. That's a good job. I'm a cock. I'm a mom. I'm a brother. I'm good. You're a double cock. The worst thing that happened to Vegas is when all the Tony's took over. That is true. Yep. To New York. Well, Janet Sturzel died after being exposed to an element called Thaliam in December of 2015. Thaliam is a rare element. It's used in the manufacture of electronics, glass, and pharmaceuticals. But it is known as the Poisoners Poison because it has no odor, no color, no taste, and it is hard to detect. Now, when Janet Sturzel was diagnosed with Thaliam poisoning, it was deduced that she had been intentionally dozed. And her death was therefore investigated as a homicide. United Nuclear, Bob Lazar's company, they did sell Thaliam. So the FBI raid was in service of trying to find evidence that Sturzel had bought the Thaliam herself or that someone who knew her had bought it and used it to kill her. Maybe she stole it to get it was value because she wasn't listening. And that's honestly, that's more of a lesson about being present. It had to, I mean, it was, it had to have been male order because like, that's the thing. You have to get it from overseas. Bob Lazar does male out these incredibly dangerous chemicals to anybody who wants them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, yeah, one of our research assistants asked a friend of theirs that is into all this stuff. And the friend was like, I can't believe what I can buy from this man. Yeah, you can buy crazy shit for insane what you can buy from them. Buzzmashit. I mean, it's not that way. I honestly, I actually went through a period of time when I was a child when my grandfather gave me an extremely old chemistry set. And I just remember the chemicals playing. I remember being so worried that I was going to poison the family. And then I had all these, I was playing with these chemicals. And then I remember fucking something up and then just assuming I was going to, I remember this one night where I fucked something up. And I was like, I'm going to kill the family. Yeah. Family's going to be poisoned because of me. And it went to dinner and I was scared. Dude, I almost off myself with a mop bucket one time, putting too many weird chemicals together because I wanted the floor to be clean. Yeah. Fucking Buffalo wild wings. It's crazy. Then you think we just don't, we just not educate. Yeah. I mean, my buddy did have a whole lot of fun with the copy of the anarchist cookbook that we printed off the internet in 1999, just hanging out in his barn, just mixing together a lot of things that we really shouldn't have. And we very lucky. We didn't die. Oh, yeah. But we did blow up a lot of shit. Oh, yeah, the two leader with the thing and the thing. Oh, yeah. I want to say what the things are because we're alive. Yeah. And you throw it and it blows up in the driveway. Lots of fun. Oh, yeah. Potato guns. Yeah. Now kids just said they don't even get to have fun making a little up. They just buy it fucking a R15 and kill themselves that way. You're not the fun way. There's no anarchist MacBook. No. No, no records of the FBI was looking for element 115. And Lazar was not in any way considered a suspect in Janet Sturzels death. That death, by the way, still unsolved. They still have no idea what happened to this woman who gave her the thalium. How she got a hold of it. Nothing. But if it all went down the way they said it did, the raid coinciding with the documentary was to say the least one hell of a coincidence. And that's if it did go down that way. And so while Bob Lazar may or may not be telling the truth when it comes to what went down in area 51, the man has still lived one hell of an interesting life. And it is still Bob Lazar that we have to think for bringing area 51 to the world's attention. Yeah. He's it is fascinating. This sole story is fascinating. And then I went on a new obviously very long rabbit hole. And I got going for 40 something years. And so I don't know why I don't like it that you describe the rabbit hole as long. Why a long hole. I like a long pinhole. And so let's say it's all real up to a point. Let's say he went to Los Alamos. Let's say it's true that he went in the message Dr. Teller. And then Dr. Teller got him in on the super secret new program that he was working on the special projects division. But let's say it's a different type of project at area 51 or Los Alamos at S4. So you go to S4. S4, history of building SB&O's technology. The main thing it came out of it was the U2. We know in real law or real UFO law, they say that Roswell was taken the UFO that crashed air was taken to Los Alamos. All of these things are right Patterson. Other places not S4. If you actually believe what I think actually happened, which is that he was hired to do a very specific low level project on what they called this. It's like using this thing called a Bragg Curve, which is a proton beam that they created. And a part of what it does is which I find even more interesting than UFOs themselves is that it makes an orb. They can zap it up into the sky and they can make an orb that can travel just like a UFO. And that's what they're looking at. And it looks like a UFO and it went up every Wednesday and he was so but hurt about the whole scenario. Hey, did John made fun of John Lear. Yeah, it was to make fun of him and pull him in right to see he'll believe anything. It was because Gene Hoff was his other fat face friend that he loved to fucking make fun of right. They had a big falling out. All of Bob is not being able. He's never been able to hold on to a friend. John, John, John Lear was a part of Bob's stories for a long time and then very suddenly John Lear just disappeared from all of Bob's stories. He's not mentioned, like he was mentioned in Art Bell, but not mentioned in Joe Rogan. Yeah, he's like, could have been cut out because John Lear is seen as an unstable person. And so what if the US government already was making technology that ate UFO movements versus having UFOs. So we've already mentioned there was a world where they already tried to retrofit the UFO technology and it didn't work. Sky holograms. Yes. So it's like a fucking, it's like they've got a laser pointer. Yes. They're pointing in the sky and we're all the cats. And we're the cats. And we're the cats. The goal is to scare the Russians. But then what happens is that he does talk about he shows everybody is extremely secret project, right? Because this idea is like because it's a double game. It's we're lying about UFOs. We're lying saying that we communicate with them and then we're harnessing their powers. So he then goes to save his own fucking skin when they bring them in, right? Because they're going to shoot him in the back of the fucking head, right? Or something. God knows what they're going to do to him. He starts this super outlandish story. And he goes out there and he begins to create this construct to create to cover up what he was doing. And then he sticks to it every single day for the rest of his life so that he knows that one day someone won't come and double tap him on the back of that. Oh, interesting. But now it wouldn't even matter. So I kind of now we're at this point. That was like now that technology's old news. Whatever it is the fucking we got now, God knows what it is. So technically, Bob Lizar has no reason to really hide anymore. Yeah. Let me for me the coolest thing about Bob Lizar is that he's just he's the reason why we know about Area 51. Yeah. It's like no matter whether Area 51 is full of UFOs or not, people believe that it is. You know, it is become a part of not just American culture, but world culture, world belief. You know, when people talk about the history of the 20th century, years and years from now, centuries from now, Area 51 is going to be a part of it. It's going to be a part of the conversation. And that's because of Bob Lizar. Whatever happened when everyone tried to storm Area 51, they told them very much so we will shoot you on mass. Well, actually, the storm area 51 thing better security than capital. Yeah. Yeah. The Area 51, the storm area 51, it's thought actually that it was a consequence of Bob Lizar's interview on Joe Rogan in 2018 because the storm area 51 was 2019. Yeah. I was started by some shithead on Facebook. And yeah, they did say like, yeah, if you try it, we will. We're fucking kill. We're like, we'll fucking kill you. Yeah, we're just not a joke. You're in the rudo run and shit. We will kill you, which is again, we probably should have done it outside of the White House as well. Yeah. But we didn't. And now we're here. Guys, what a wonderful episode. Good work, Marcus. Oh, thank you. Yeah. It's cool. It's a lot of fun. Here's a good news. Really thick. Go on to patreon.com, slash slash podcast on the left. 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