Last Call for Giannis Trades, Plus an NFL Round 3 Deep Dive With Chris Ryan, Joe House, and Peter Schrager

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It's always interesting to just see the length of the pod compared to the running time of the movie. Right. I think we're going. I think we're going. I think we're going to go in over the 157. Yes. I think great shot Gordo might take a full 45 minutes. Yeah. We have fantasy too. So he's going to, I don't know. He's going to go full. What's his outfit going to be? Take away a break. He's got his full time necklace. Yeah. We're talking basketball. We're talking, Yannis. It feels like we hit rock bottom last night with the bucks. And I've done Yannis trade segments before, but now we have more information with the season. I would normally throw this at house, but CR, this is in your willhouse. You love hyperbole. You love things that might not happen. Your team might be involved in one of my fake trades. But what would your two weeks left for the deadline? Is there any chance Yannis is on the bucks in two weeks? I always think that the January that the midseason trade deadline is a little bit overrated as like a fireworks display, but this seems untenable. This really does seem like I don't really know. They have tried so many different band aids and fixes for this and their atom moves and he seems to be out of patience. What do you think, House? I mean, they play OKC yesterday, which is the worst case scenario in nightmare situation for a team like the bucks. The quotes after the game and I said this in Tuesday's pod, just like just ask for a trade. The bucks fans will get over it. They'll under deep down they're going to understand you won the title for them in 21. Like it's time. Just do it. What do you think, House? So that was going to be my first question back to you. I was going to answer your question with the question. What do you think bucks fans want? They want to keep Yannis. They want to get through this season and not trade Yannis. I think they love Yannis. They want him to retire with the team and I totally get it. But for him, he won the title there, though. That's the part like New Itzki never won the title in Dallas until 2011. And there's some other guys who never won the title. Yeah. In this case, he delivered them the title. So if he asks, he's like, all right, it's time for me now to go. I don't think they can get mad at him, right? Oh, no. I'm just wondering if I was a fan of the bucks, what would I want? Now it's very, very difficult for me to put myself in the shoes of a franchise. That's one title in the last 45, 50 years. That has a top 100 player. It's a top. We have two top 100 players now. Who is that? God damn it. Who the youngest top 100 in Alex Sarr is a top 100 player. I thought I was just talking about the capitals. Yeah. The capitals. I was, yeah, two top 100 players house. Two top 100 players. Wow. Only three away. I can only, as a reference point, consider the purgatory of winning 39 to 46 games every God damn season and not being relevant come playoff time. Yeah. Relevant is fine, but it takes these extraordinary superhuman efforts by Yannis. We literally watched this in the first round of the just completed a year ago playoffs where I actually thought the bucks matched up quite well with the pastures and the pastures ran them the fuck off the floor, ran them out of the gym. It was not close. Yeah. In any way, shape or form, even with the most extraordinary efforts by Yannis. So if I'm a fan of the bucks, I understand the sentimentality and the loyalty of wanting that Yannis thing, but I think it's time to move on. Yeah, it's tough because they weren't even that close last year and they feel less close this year. And as of CR, I think the league has changed. We have to vote for this ringer 100. We got that email today, the 100 best players. And that list is just so much deeper and better than it would have been 20 years ago. You could have gotten away with this weird Yannis bucks team in 2006. Right? They probably would have made the second round had a puncture chance to beat anybody in the east, even with the depleted supporting cast. Now, just feels like everybody's too deep. I don't see. Media ecosystems totally different now too. While we're doing like five pods a week about trade deadline in mid-January. So it's like the pressure that's on these teams and on these players. I mean, just look what's happening to Nix. You know, they got a get right game against Brooklyn, but like we did so much nix and crisis cat, cat trade, Mike Brown on the hot seat stuff. That's like a finals favorite. Like they're like a, they're like a pretty good team. There's still third in the eastern conference. So the amount of pressure and the amount of scrutiny that these guys are under now. And also the kind of weird state of the NBA where we've got a bunch of quote unquote faces of the league that are kind of mired on mediocre teams while these juggernaut teams are kind of like going about their business. It's really a fascinating inflection point for the league. And it's taking a lot of time, energy and attention away from the joe and bead renaissance right now. I know that you're being sarcastic, but they're playing the rockets toe to toe right now. And I just heard the rockets broadcast say even though he can't move like he used to, you have to pay attention to joe and bead. I think that's an accurate scouting report. He's looking at his points. He can't move at all. He's still can get his points. All right. Well, I sent you a list of Yannis trades and I intentionally left a couple off. Did you answer what you wanted? Do you want him to be? Do you think it's best for everybody if he moves on or do you think that there's like a path back? I think when somebody is as good as him to put him on a team like this for the rest of his prime to be is unacceptable. And I think they've exhausted every single possibility to try to fix that, including the really, really aggressive Dame Miles Turner thing, which I did not agree with. But they've had a combination of bad luck and they traded a lot for Drew Holiday. But this is the thing that seems to happen over and over again with the league now where these teams make these trades where they give up all these future assets. And then three years pass and everybody gets amnesia. It's like, we don't have anything to trade. What do we, it's like, yeah, because you traded all that stuff for Drew Holiday. That's why you can't trade your picks now. And that won you the title. So it worked out. It worked out. But yeah, I wonder if going back in retrospect, it's like they would have just been comfortable running that title team back more or less into the ground. You know, like would you obviously hindsight 20, 20 with Dame, but I don't think they would have done the middle 10 trade again if they had to redo that one. But it's, it's a hard, I said this to Mahoney on Tuesday house that these trades now where you get $1,220 to $1,130 on the dollar for your, for your guy because somebody else feels like they have this short window and they have the assets and they want to do it. The history of those trades is really good for the team getting all the assets, you know? Like even if you look, I think the Davis New Orleans trade probably worked out as bad as it could have gone for New Orleans just because of the actual picks. They got in the spots in the draft and then ever really got lucky with one of the lottery picks. You know, but that's how it goes, but they had a lot of bolts in the holster, which I think is what you want with those trades. I'm sure I'm sure Memphis loves the Bane trade, even though I think Baines becoming a poor guy in Orlando. I'm sure the nets are happy with the bridges trade, you know? So I wonder like, is there a version of that that you could get $120 for somebody like Yannis? I think there is, right? I agree. And, you know, the thing that the fan base has to be reminded of is patients, like even the Pelicans, it's a failure because Zion turned out to not be capable of playing complete seasons. Like, they made many good moves. They made, they drafted good guys in the draft. And Zion was a let down, but some of the other moves were great. Yeah. It's tough because here's the big variable that we have to mention before we talk about these Yannis trades. And people have heard these on the other 450 MBA podcasts that have done this, but we just have to mention them at the top. Look at this claimer. They get the worst version of their pick or New Orleans pick. The best version of that used to be with New Orleans, but New Orleans traded it to Atlanta for House's Guide, Derek Queen, DMV, DMV AU All Star. So Milwaukee is still getting one of those two picks. And the worst they get, it's not as bad as you would have thought normally because the New Orleans pick, New Orleans is also not doing well. New Orleans, by the way, might be the best 10 and 36 team in the history of the league. Every single one of their games, it's a two point game with five minutes left. So it actually is in Milwaukee's interest to become worse this year if they make a trade. And I think that makes this really hard because there's some trades that we'll go through where they're getting good guys back, but you're treading water and that's not necessarily where you want to be. All right. So before you get started, can I ask a question? Yeah. Do you not think that they are now officially competing with Golden State for this pool of assets that are out there? Well, the Golden State thing's different, right? Because I just think it's over. So it's just over. I think it's also over from Milwaukee, but they have a better asset to trade. Golden State's never trading curry. Did you see, see, are you see the Golden State box for the first game of the upbother? I saw a coningo did quite well, right? Yeah, but you look at it. It's like curry. I watched 14 other guys. Yeah, I made so much money on Toronto in that game. Thank God. They have a bunch of ninth man and curry. And Drake has that same guy. It's like, curry's too old to do a like, oh, I have a phantom back injury. You know what I mean? Like they're he's moving into the Kobe from 2012 to 16 thing where it's like, we can't trade you. You're an icon. Our fans love you. But our team's also not going to be good. So maybe this is just this is now we're making equalizer for and equalizer five with you. We'll give you a budget. It'll be solid. It's you and a bunch of talent. Yeah. There'll be nobody else you can recognize in the cast and see. I don't get a blueprint from this. It's the the sixers did it last year to great effect to to to to great outcomes. I mean, the only reason we're talking about this sixers team in any way, shape, perform being relevant is because VJ Edgecom is fucking awesome. Right. He came in and immediately injected life into the team, the franchise, everybody who plays on the floor likes playing with him. I I continue to resent that he doesn't get more shine in terms of the rookie of your conversation. Like we have him firmly in third place. All right. Stop fucking up sixes. I mean, nowhere's built without him. Huh? Stop sucking up here. So you you have him over a con Nippel and con Nippel and a flag. I have him over flag and I think he's at least equal to a con Nippel. Now that this shooting by Knipple is amazing. Knipple that though Hornets kind of shit the bed last night. I was excited for that. Legs was I was doing the game. I was excited for a for a big thing from them. I obviously think VJ Edge comes to for Keatier. It's like, but I'm basically like a cult member now. Yeah, between him and Maxi. Yeah, this is great. We that's where I'm holding on to my Philadelphia real estate. Let's just put it that way. You're prepared for the Maxi injury that's coming, right? No, no, no. No, he's playing 41 minutes a game. Talking about he's playing too many minutes. Let him let him live. No, you got to tone that back. See our insane. He should be at the 36th. He really needs to chill for a second though. Yeah, he does. Over under on how many weeks he's going to miss. Well, the other weird thing is that McCain is now, Jeremy, we're doing six or Jeremy McCain is now in the jeeling, which is just like, I don't understand the rotational stuff for what happened with Jeremy. We still like, I think is an interesting. I would have already traded for him if I was one of the other teams. All right, I can rail this. I'm sorry. From least realistic to most realistic, but all trades that I'm sure the teams, the other team probably least had a meeting, least realistic to trade. So I sent most of these to you. Harris, Tobias Harris, expiring, Jade Nibbri, Isaiah Stewart, who's been awesome for them. That's a tough piece to give up. And also there's like crazy defensive rim protection numbers within this year, which the eye test backs up. He had an incredible block of Cata and the Celtics pistons getting there. Cata was just going in for a two-in-dunk and he just went up and like fucking swatted him. So Harris, I have Easteward and as many picks and swaps as it takes into trade, we're going to make a real run at this. We're already in first place. I would not do this if I was them. But we can hit it if I was the person. So I would not. I make the case for it. Yeah. You're in the midst of an Eastern conference where the Nickster in a swoon, the calves look like they don't, that this nucleus is not going to be able to put it together and reach the heights that they were at. Yeah. You're getting off years and off eras from Miami and Philly and a couple other teams. Like this is, this is your year. So on top of it, if you get Janice, you now have two of the best 10 players in the week. You could even get a little bit. You might want to shrink that number a little bit. Right. Yeah. And oh, how's your thoughts? I don't know. I thought C.R. I was still going to say. No, I'm just saying this is, this is the moment you're never going to get a guy like Janice to be like, I'm signing with Detroit. So this is, this is the shot you have. Totally agree with all of that. And on top of it, it's a lot of pressure on Cade. And I don't mean like, you know, the psychological, whatever. No, it's the game. It's the game for the game. The game. It's the same as Maxi. Like I want both those guys to take a little all star trip to Boca, trip to Cabo, whatever they need. Get those guys away from basketball for a little while. They're going to go to the all star, both Maxi and Cade are both starting. And I know for sure, Maxi is starting, right? Bronson starting. Oh, okay. Well, whatever. Fine. I think that's what I'm going to be starting. I thought Maxi and Cade were starting. And Jaylen Brown and Bronson, isn't that what those guys really need are breaks from basketball so they can get ready for the playoff run. And that's why Janice to Detroit makes an enormous amount of sense. It immediately changes the impact. It turns, it takes this version of Cade, which is like a 9.875 out of 10 into, you know, north of 10 potentially. And Janice will absolutely love it. I just, there's nothing in this that's interesting to me if I'm Milwaukee. Yeah. I mean, not one piece of this interest me. If you're Detroit and you end up with Janice, with Cade, with Dern, with Thompson, with a couple shooters, you're feeling great. Would anyone ever score again on that team? Well, and then a rejuvenated Janice too on top of it. I think has made the key point. There's too much on Cade in these games. I think it's, I'm not that scared of them in a playoff series. Like you normally would be with a one seed because I think there's a sameness to how they play that I think is going to be trouble for them if you're seeing it for set in straight games, you know, over the course of two weeks. It's like, oh, you're going to do the thing where just Cade has to come up with something again. Like at some point, you need more than that. I don't think they need Malik Beasley, who was on their team. But they were about to resign. Goodness gracious. Speaking of the next, this would be the trade. I don't think either team should do the next would do this, but Townsend and Oby to Milwaukee, Janice with Portis and Kuzma, who would be the honest trade tax, who's got a deal for this year next year. And that actually works under the cap. And that would be the lateral move trade for the bucks. I have no idea whether they would do that. I would just keep you on us at that point. I would reject that. I think you guys agree. Yes. I mean, it would have been an interesting hypothetical world to live in if they had lost a Brooklyn yesterday. I was like full panic. It would be more interesting if they had like three first round picks. They could throw into a framework like all the bridges picks, basically. Right. Right. Before we keep going, I want to mention something. It's a point I made a month ago. And it was near the end of the podcast. I thought I was a really important point. And I'm going to, I'm going to basically karaoke it. Do we think let's say, Janice as an all time guy. And he seems really available right now. And everybody is like, eh, like Philly would be like, no, we're not Max. He's off the table. No, thanks. I just wonder like I made the point that in, you know, the mid 2000s, if Duncan, like when KG became available, every team in the league was trying to figure out how to get KG. When if Duncan was never available, if Duncan had been available, every team in the league would have been like, what do you want? Max, he done. Let's call it in right now. I think about Janice and how particular his offensive game is. And I don't know, and maybe his age, but it's, I don't know if his trade value is as high as maybe I think it is in my head. So what do you think of that house? Not only do I vehemently disagree, I vehemently disagree. I think it's impossible in the collective bargaining agreement world that we live in now with aprons and every other sort of all of these nonsensical efforts at a hard cap in basketball to measure a era against era. This is a one of one. And we still haven't really yet gotten to the full effect of the ramifications, the barriers to the school way of doing trades and stuff. And only thing that teams are looking at, this is my sense, is what's our flexibility? Our flexibility is the thing, cap space. There's nothing more valuable in the NBA than cap space and flexibility. And so that now becomes the part that that's much more important than how much Janice is going to help your basketball team this season and next season. I just also a referendum on, he's now, it's been an unhappy situation for several years now. So it's, we've got equal amount of years of not necessarily him being unhappy, but the bucks not firing on all cylinders or having a postseason, you know, combustion because, you know, he gets injured or something like that. So I wonder whether or not people are like, I'm going to keep my powder dry or I like my team, you know, we're going to go through a couple of other teams. And I do think Zach and Kirk were talking on Zach show the other day about, there is just a popcorn butts in seats ratings and jerseys element to getting Janice and getting one of the like most recognizable names in the sport that I think most owners in this league would probably be like, yeah, I want that. But I don't think it's any kind of like referendum on his ability or his legacy or all time standing. I just hard for me to believe the three best teams in the league are like, yeah, we're good. And Janice is basically on Amazon right now in a lightning deal. It's like, if you buy one battle on 4K, you get you know, do you see the Kurt Russell movie breakdown was lightning deal or was like 50% off. And I was like, that's how they get you. I was like, Oh, it's a pretty good price for breakdown. I really like that movie. I get the tree and crash and four K. All right. Next one. We're starting to move a little more realistic, but I still don't like this either. It's Miami. And there's a lot of variations where you could go with this. And I actually brought in a third team the one I sent to you where Miami has to give up Bam and the trade in my opinion. When we're doing this two months ago, it was clear where it was hero and picks. And I just don't think that's going to do it. And also, Bam's maybe his trade value is dipped a little bit with how he's looked off pencil with this year. So anyway, the trade would be Miami gets Janice and Portis Atlanta gets Bam. Milwaukee gets the Rozier contract which I'm just trading until Adam Silver tells me not to because it's still waiting on a ruling for him. The porzinga is expiring. Reese's Shay, three Miami picks and they get their New Orleans or Milwaukee picked back. They get all of that and they give up. You honest. And now we're in the neighborhood of there's a lot of assets there that you'd have to think about. So as you look at that, what makes the least sense out of those three CR? Which team makes it? Does it make the least sense? Yeah, which team is probably like, eh. I would probably say Atlanta, I guess, why would Atlanta get help people out here? But if you could get, if you could basically trade Reese's Shay and that, you get Bam. You get Bam. I see. And you get Bam. I got to see when you did this, I put together my like starting lineup for the heat. And I was like, that's, that's nerve racking. That would be like the newly constructed heat would be nerve racking. I don't know. If you, if you're throwing in all those picks, I think this is the best deal you, you send us, honestly. Wow. What do you think, House? CR, beat me to it. I quite like this trade. And I don't know why you have it in the lesser realistic kind of place. It feels very realistic to me. It probably because it was like, Bam was like off off the table for a long time. And now it's like, okay, what are we talking about here? Like, if you could do where and, yeah, honest in a front court. I mean, I guess the hard part is, anytime there's a three team or that's why I make it less realistic. I think the three teams hard. Atlanta would have to decide to reach a say pick and the chance to move into the top three with that New Orleans or Milwaukee pick. You're just cashing in with Bam right now. And I don't know if they would do that. I don't, not maybe Reese's Shay is just not in the trade. Maybe it's just that pick only and they get Bam. But the Celtics fan side of me is looking at it going, fuck, if Miami could somehow just turn Bam and expiring and picks into Yannis and Portis who would be the most heke I since Haslum, like that would, I'd be a little nervous about that. They basically, like, they could not get a single injury to their starting five. No, but they would be terrifying in a playoff series. Next one. All right. So we marked that one down. We like that one the most. A straight one with the Lakers. It's just Luca and Cleba's expiring for Yannis. And what did you just say? I didn't put that one on my list of you guys. I wanted the reaction. It's just the Lakers saying, fuck it and turn and Luca and Yannis paying leaves, keeping LeBron. Bill is, is Rich Paul in the room with you? No, I'm just, I want to talk it out. The part that makes no sense is Luca going to Milwaukee. But if you're Milwaukee, you do this now and you have two weeks to trade Luca. It's a Luca auction. Remember when all the teams were mad last year? Oh, man. Yeah. Remember when I was here when I, like Utah, they were like, we have 17 picks. We would have traded all of them for Luca if we knew it was available. It's like, all right, Milwaukee is now acquired Luca. Here's the auction. Let's go. You guys got two weeks to make us your bet and then they basically just shop. So is the idea here that Yannis would fix the Lakers defensive problems. And then it's Reeves and LeBron and that's the team. Yeah. Boy. It's not bad. It's a terrible trade. It's not bad. It's not bad. No, it's not going to happen. It would be one of those, I do feel like out of all the things in this list. Were you moving towards realistic? You had that. Why did you drop that one in the ear now? You thought I should have started with that one? Yeah, maybe. Far the least realistic. Is it? Fear the leg of trading Luca again. Yeah. Why? For what? Under what circumstance? I don't know. I'm starting it in there. Starting shit. Haven't you done enough? Yeah. We'll take a break and then we'll keep going. The Bill Simmons podcast is brought to you by Fandall. We're in the second to last weekend. Three games left to this weekend. A trip to Super Bowl LX60 online. Fandall's turning on playoff mode. Right now all customers get a profit boost pack during the conference championship round AKA round three. That means you'll find a pack loaded with multiple profit boost waiting for you in the app. More boost means more ways to level up your playoff bets. 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It's a no. I want to move on. I want to I want to I want to live in the world where VJ and Maxi are the back court and I don't want to watch and beat and Yana's occupy the same areas of the four. So CR is telling us that VJ Edgecom has a higher trade value. No, I'm just saying that there's like a coup. I'm just I'm trying to get this straight. There's a five to 10 year future of this team that doesn't exist the way you just set it up. And I want to cheer for like a fun young back court. It's been a while since like I got to do that. So if you're just asking me as a fan, I'm cool, I'm cool standing Pat. You know what I mean? It's a fun team to watch on a night to night basis, a little bit maddening generational divide sometimes on the court. But I don't I don't think so. This goes right to the heart of what I was trying to articulate, maybe not so artfully, a short bit ago in terms of how do you properly assess Yana's trade value. It doesn't make any sense for him to go to Philly. Would Yana said in B. Would you would you say there were favorites in the Eastern Conference? You know what's I wouldn't. The reason we do this as a long time Darrell's been in my life for 20 years now. Darrell has always been one of those. If I have three of the best guys and I come in the title, I'm going to move the math my way. And this trade would end up giving them Yana's and Maxi in the same team with the imbued wild card. And you could say, wow, if we can get imbued somewhat healthy in April, May, June, and I also have Yana's and Maxi who are two all-star starters in an apprita conference. I can make the finals. That would be the conversation you would have. I don't think they would do it either. That was Yana's. Yana. Yes. I'm sexy, R.I.D. Yana's is 31. He was in the 2013 draft. You know, you're like you take the phone call and you go have the coffee. It's like, let's get the coffee. Let's walk around the block a couple of times. But I don't see this is like Zodiac where I'm Jake Gyllenhaal. They're rough below. And I'm like, Arthur Lee Allen live 50 yards away. I don't know. I don't know. It's not him. Hand-write example said no. I know. I think you're right. I think they probably would not do this because they'd be afraid of how mad the fan base would be because the fan bases are already decided. This is great. Maxi and BJ sign us up. We're good. House is laughing. He loves this. Well, I do think it makes sense. It's bananas for the sixers to just sit tight. They should move off of Paul George by any means necessary. But he's two years left after this one. So you could say you're getting off Paul George and using the Edgecomb thing to do that. God, do you have no idea how fun I'm just watching play? He's such a fun player too. No. So if I do trade value again, forget about all the reasons for it. I do think BJ Edgecomb might have a higher trade value than Yannis. It's crazy. It's that sounds on a rookie deal. 40 games into the season. And it's like, we can't trade him. He might be fucking Dwayne Wade. Like for real, this might be mid-2000s Dwayne Wade again. We're not trading him. I love him, man. I don't know how contagious that is for everybody else in the national scheme of things watching him. But it would be really tough to watch him go away. And also like, so what's Yannis's current deal? How many years is he at? Like two years left. So you'd have to worry about that. Okay, so do you, but do you wind up going right back into Will Yannis Stair? Will he go? And is Yannis happy? And is Yannis like Nick Nerson? Does Yannis like playing with Joe and Bied and does Yannis like the apartment that he got in Philly or whatever? You know what I mean? I don't, I just, I'm just really, really enjoying the page turning that's happening for the Sixers. He was like Andrew McCarthy and San almost fire. He's like, I love her, man. I just love Maxing Man. Roll it as I, all right. We're moving on to the next one. I did not come up with this idea. It did come from a male baggy male, her name will Jason Taden for Yannis straight up. I'm glad you're doing some self reflection here. He wrote, I don't want to do this. But this Celtics team is the Yannis team that he's always needed. And JB is the exact teammate that Yannis needs. This team and what they have going this season, this team, Yannis needs. I don't want to do it. Taden is going to be awesome. But would you have to have a meeting about it? I wouldn't do it. Would you have the meeting? I would, I just, I think Carmo has. No, I love Taden. I think he has a chance to have a curry type of career. It is amazing how logical a basketball trade it is because for Milwaukee, it's an official tank, right? They'll tell Taden come back in October and then Boston just turns Taden and Yannis basically. So basketball has makes sense, but I don't think Boston would ever do that. Would Danny Inge do it? Danny Inge would have done it already. He, he already Taden would already be. You already did it. Well, Jason Taden was on the crowd. He would have done it as Taden was working out of Monday. It would have been done. I don't think anyone else that is affiliated with this team would do it though. But it is a really interesting basketball trade. All right. The only, so there's three teams plus this next one. And this is the last like semi-enrealistic one, even though you guys like Miami trade. But there's a gold state scenario where it could be Yannis and Kuzma, Kuzma is the Yannis tax. Milwaukee gets Butler's contract, which she's not playing this year and maybe comes back trade dead on next year. You could either trade on whatever. Caminga, Podzemsky, and then just all of the picks and swaps you can possibly get from Golden State. You're like, I'll take all of them. You just go for the broke. Yeah. I'll take all of them. Give me the next seven years of stuff you have. And in whatever order you want to do, I'll take everything you have. And you're basically betting on shorting the Warriors. And if you're the Warriors, you're like, with this generational curry thing going on that where you still might have three, four years left, we're adding Yannis. We can build around this. Who cares about the picks? It's mildly interesting. It becomes more interesting now that Butler's hurt because it helps Milwaukee this year. But would you think of this house? I need to know more about what the picks are. Do they have their own first round picks for the foreseeable future at Golden State? Yeah. They have a, I have it here. I have a whole document. They have their, basically all their own first round picks. And then they have this weird 2030 situation with Washington where... Not weird. Washington got that for Jordan Poole. Yeah. But it's like, they still, they still keep it under a lot of different scenarios. Right. So that's that. I don't think this trade will happen. I think Golden State would be nuts to mortgage their entire future for a curry Yannis and nothing else. Well, I mean, it's like, it's almost like, it's too late. You know, like they could have mortgaged their future a year or two ago. Well, they did. Kind of. Yeah. That was Jimmy Butler acquisition. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Three teams left. Three teams left. Three of the big, here's the big three. We got to talk about the rockets. I did every machination. The one I sent you guys was just Yannis being bleeds in it. Shengoon, the 27 Phoenix first and an unprotected 2031 Houston first. Maybe one more pick needs to be announced. But you're basically turning Yannis in a Shengoon, $20 million less year in a couple picks. And it seems like a pretty fair trade. I think that if I was Milwaukee, this would probably be the most excited I would be. You get a young center who's on a really good contract who might even be. I mean, at least like analytically or statistically would probably even pop more in a world where there wasn't so much sharing going on. Right. Even though he's a great passer, but yeah, I think this would get me the most piped up. House, would you rather pursue him or on top center if you had a choice? Ooh, that's a great. Which, where do you like more as a building block for the next 10 years? I might be higher than is rational on Shengoon. I think now, Amin Thompson is going to be incredible. He already is incredible. But I feel like it's just the direction the league is in right now, having somebody around the rim who's as effective as he is. That's an asset. That's an outside asset in this day and age of my life. I have no doubt that Amin's going to become like what we all think he's going to become, but it's just like, I feel like you can build around Shengoon and you can run a system based on him and Amin seems more complimentary. Both of those Thompson kids, like the South of the K, my Monday night, they weren't even guarding the Detroit Thompson at the end of the game. Yeah, they were just like, do whatever you want, man. So he was kind of roaming around like a free safety on offense. But I got to say, I wouldn't do this about Houston. It's weird because the Durant timeline kind of confuses them. It feels like then they should have urgency because the age is half, but that wouldn't make me want to. I still feel like Shengoon and Thompson. I care about that with Jabari and with Reed and I feel like that's my team and that's my team from the next seven years. And KD can help us with the ceiling of it, but I'm not making trades because I have KD. I think is where I've landed and I wouldn't do it. I would keep Shengoon, especially 20 million less. So it sounds like we all agree. This next one's more interesting. So I sent you Yannis, the Kuzmataks and a small contract coffee for the cell, Olinix expiring, Barnes is expiring, and Dylan Harper. Under the old adage, if you're going to get something, you got to give up something. So it's like, you want Yannis? Give us Dylan Harper. Like pony up. I don't think the spurs would do this. I don't need them. It's a realistic basketball trade though. It's a really good, really good basketball trade. It's exactly the kind of trade of the bucks are going to trade Yannis. And they're like, where'd you get back? We got a guy who could be in all NBA guard in four years. Have you seen him? I mean, if anything, he's fallen off a little for San Antonio because they're too good. Like they, he actually is a little bit on the lap and down, but house, your thoughts? Yeah. So I'm looking at it and I'm like, well, where are the picks? Because if I'm a walkie, I want some picks, but the answer is, well, the pick is, we have a pick. You have a pick is Dylan Harper. They're sending you a franchise, potential franchise guy. And guess what? You don't have to go into a draft and take a swing. This guy can play. We've seen him. He can play in the NBA. He can be impactful and the ceiling ready to be more than what he is now even like. That's the only age. Yeah. If this is kind of similar to the Philadelphia conversation, but if you're San Antonio, aren't you thinking these guys are on Wendy's timeline? We like our team. We've worked really hard to get this. We got really lucky with Castle and Harper. Yeah. We have Fox. We're very excited about this guard rotation. Like why disrupt it? That's how I would. That's why I would land if I was San Antonio. I would not do this trade. I would be trying to get a better like you're insane. If you have a chance to get Yannis, you do anything you can. I guess the question is, if I'm trading for Yannis, I need to feel like I'm actually going to win the title. Like when the Celtics traded for KG and that what they gave up ended up not being maybe as potent as it seemed in the deal. But it was like, we're getting this and we now are the favorites in the East with this trade and have a chance. I don't know if San Antonio did this. If I would feel like they were the favorites in the West, I would still think it's okay see. So how would they play together? That's part of the thing. Well, that's the other thing. Wendy and Yannis together, I'm not even positive. I like it. I think they should trade for trade Murphy and actually overpay for him. That would be fine. I talked about that on Tuesday. All right. I'm off. Well, this last thing, this is the deal that made the most sense to me by far. It made the most sense six weeks ago. It makes the most sense now. It's especially now that CJ McCollum's an expiring contract and you can put him and pour Zingas together to expiring 60 million. Reese's Shay, that New Orleans or Milwaukee pick. They also have the worst version of the boxer New Orleans pick in 27. Give that back. Maybe even give them another one and just give it Lanny Yannis. So now if I'm Atlanta, I have Yannis, I have Jaylen Johnson, Daniels and I can patch together everything else and I'm relevant in a way that I just even though they've had good teams, they had a 60 win team once. It's different. This would be the biggest, the biggest star they've ever had on the Hawks since like Bob Pettit. And I love Dominic Wilkins, but it's just the fact. The honest would be the biggest star they've had. Oh, Pettit. Everybody's worth. I wonder if that, if Yannis, I mean, I don't know. I don't know how much Yannis obviously hasn't officially requested a trade. I don't know how much influence he's going to have over a prospective destination, but I wonder if he wants to stay in these turn hovers just to stay out of the blood bath in the West. So you stay in the East. It's a soft East. This is why I was excited about this for Detroit even. Yeah. It's like you just have an easier path to the finals this way, I think. House. Yeah, I agree with that. The thing I wonder about to the point, you know, the observation around what the what would Yannis want. Don't doesn't he want to go to a team that he feels like he can take over the hump? That's the problem with this trade. If I'm Yannis, I'm like, well, the Hawks have three more wins than the team I'm on now. Right. Yeah. That would be the issue. That's why my Amy trade is kind of fun because it's basically the same trade except you're just putting him in the bam spot with Portis. And now you can now I have the spulster as my coach and I have a bunch of shooters and maybe I have more of a chance. Yeah, my body fat content is already heat, heat level. You know, I don't have to worry about that. The thing I don't know yet because nobody knows is how loyal they would be to a Yannis trade request where he's like, I've decided I'd like to be traded. And I'd like to go to Houston, you know, or wherever he says where he's just like, I want to go to that team. What is the responsibility of them to them? Make a deal with that team when you basically don't have the leverage. We saw this with allegedly with Durant with Phoenix and Brooklyn when they basically just figured out that whole trade and didn't involve other teams. We've seen teams do this. But that's a pretty tough spot to be in if you're the Bucks for somebody's like, I don't get to be in one spot. Like how so you get the impression that like once Yannis disappears, if Yannis leaves is off the Bucks, like, I don't feel like there's a lot of guys working at the Bucks who are going to be there next year. Right. So like they're not incentivized to be like, Oh, yeah, and then we'll work on this five year rebuild. You know, like they're probably like there goes my job with this. So I think that changes things a little bit. Well, you would have to have so much confidence around the picks that come back. Yeah. For with that. And the problem with Houston is we all think Houston's going to be good for at least the next three years. Probably longer. I like you. At least in next three. Yeah. I think when they have, when they have, well, now Adams is a shirt. But when they had their two centers with everybody else, I'm like, this team, I would not want to see this team in a series ever. As soon as one of those guys is missing and feels different, but I thought the size that they have is really unlike anything anyone else has. All right. Well, I don't even know where we landed. No crazy wild card team. No. I looked. I tried. Well, to me, it was the Lakers and you guys laughed me out of the room. Yeah. You said, you said, you're going to start shit. Why did you say Luca? I'm sorry. I'm giving watch. My butt cheeks together. I listed 10 teams. Yeah. Yeah. I listed 10 teams. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, if they traded Yannis for Luca, I think that would be the biggest pound for pound NBA trade ever. I was trying to think like from an actual like the town of the two guys and the stature. Because like, remember when the kid Marbury trade was just a straight up and we were like, wow, that would have cool trade. Like a slightly younger, awesome point guard for in his prime point guard. These never happened. Tradesite, the one for ones never happened like that. And why again, wouldn't Tatum for Yannis make sense? Tell me again. It would make sense. I just don't think Boston would trade Tatum. Why? I just don't. He's going to be back by Valentine's Day. I'm telling him Boston must be. He's coming off of a 20 killies. Why wouldn't Boston trade Jason Tatum? He delivered them a freaking title. He made them relevant competitive for the entirety of the career. They were on an accelerated timeline because of him. They made the Eastern Conference final about years. Gladly. Gladly. I would have, but I'm not in the business of trying to take money out of a good hardware working people from Bethesda in Northern Virginia. Just come on down here and watch this team flame out in the first round of the playoffs over here. That's not my business. It's none of my business, which you trade Jaden Daniels? No. I would not. Yeah. Tatum is pretty beloved. I don't see him. We'll see. I think out of the actual wild cards, I would say Philly is the wild card. Not just because CRs here, just because I think I think Darrell's like Danny. I don't think he gives a shit. When you talk about the Adam Gives a shit GM's Danny and Utah, he's not in this discussion because they're never getting him. I don't think Polinka cares. I think he'll do. He'll slice somebody's hamstrings if he has to. If it's going to make team 10% better, I don't think Boston's wired like that right now. And then maybe Riley used to be wired like that, I guess. Well, the Riley thing would be the last great work, right? That would be like, I'll finally paint my masterpiece after like 60 years. Or being in hot and heavy rumors for any given available star and missing out on Dame and Durant and everybody. I mean, where does Janice's brothers want to go? Yeah. I forgot to put them in the trades. Miami's got to be up there. Somehow I think they'll make their way to wherever he is. By the way, I was reading that Laker story that Baxter did. And Baxter was on Zack's pod today for people who's been this one about all the bus family drama. But got really contentious. Wouldn't the fuck you move have been to just trade, Bronnie? I think if we were like, we're really starting, we're really, we're tired of this guy. We're really in FU mode with LeBron. Like you just like trade him to Sacramento for with the Sacram pick. Just like a dump, just like a just to basically do this. It would have been an amazing trade. I don't think it's that bad. I don't, I don't think it's great, but I don't think it's acrimonious like that. I don't think genies like that unless it's a big family, a small family business stuff more than it was about with Bronn. Pretty fascinating. I got an email from somebody that asked me what family was more fucked up, the bus family or the Roy's. It's close. It's close. It really does feel like the bus family matched that last season of the Roy kids just ready to fuck each other over for the throne, no matter what it took, right? I had no idea how many brothers were employed by the Lakers in different jobs and were pulling them. And then there's another one that was like that. I didn't even know about Sean Bus. That was the mother's kid. It wasn't even, I didn't understand that one. Yeah, that's really something. This worked out great for the Lakers. The Dodger's owner who spent a congillian dollars and doesn't seem to care about money. I would say it was probably a win for them. See how it goes. See who's your football picks this weekend? See Hawks and Patriots. All right. Well, we're going to send you, send you packing. I'll see you tomorrow for our three hour Zodiac session. I'm just going to start drinking hot water and lemon right now. House, house is staying. We're going to do some football right after this. So playoff mode has turned on and Fandall has it all. Same game parlay as Quickbets for Jumping in Live offers to boost your winnings every game day. I'm going to stay away from the Patriots. Here's a same game parlay. I like on the other side in the Seahawks Ram. Seahawks money line. Rashid Shaheed, five plus yards rushing. So five, five yard run. He's got it. Cooper cup, 30 plus yards, that is plus 420 on Fandall. You can use your 30% SGP profit boost token as well. You can't even hire payout. Wow. Look at that. If you're on bed on another game, the possibilities are endless during playoff mode with Fandall. All right. Peter Schrager is here. You can see him on ESPN. Sometimes I'm shows with three or four people. Sometimes I'm shows with six. Like I saw today. It was a six person studio show. I always admire ESPN's pursuance persistence. Persuance works, man. Persuance, I don't even know. Insistence. Yeah. Before you popped on, you asked us, what was the first conference championship game you remember watching? House has no long-term memory. So it's tough for question, Prem. You and I have that brain where like I remember exactly where I was when I was watching it, who I was with. And I just posed it because you guys are sports junkies. I want to hear your answers. Well, I thought I had that brain until I forgot the Seahawks won the Super Bowl on Sunday's part. That's on sale. Come on. That was this week. Terrible. Amazing. I genuinely think the first one I remember watching was the Drew Pearson game. Was that conference championship? The Hail Mary? Yeah. Wasn't that a conference championship game? Yeah. It's a 77? No, that was like 75. I remember watching that game though. Okay. And then I probably somewhere in the 75, 76 range. Because you used to have a column and I used to love it. And this is probably when you was probably 15, 20 years ago, where one time you just wrote out every Super Bowl, the winner, the loser, and the MVP. Oh, and I remember the game. Yeah. And this guy shares my brain. Mine is 1990, Candlestick Park, Leonard Marshall, Sacking Joe Montana, Gary Reasons on the fake pond. And then, you know, Lawrence Taylor recovering the Roger Craig and then at Barquets to feel go, I know exactly where I was in my living room as a kid with my father and my brother. And I was eight years old. But that's the earliest conference championship game memory I have. How's what about you? Oh, so I don't, that was before the conference championship, my pick. That was the Ralph or playoff game. Yeah. I don't remember the 75 ones. I do remember Vikings Rams in 79. 79. That was 76. Because I love Sammy White as a kid. He was the only non-patreon. I liked. Remember Sammy Whitehouse? Of course. I love Sammy White. So I remember watching that game. So what was yours, House? The 1982, 83 Washington Redskins. Because that was like, you know, at an age where, oh, I shouldn't say this out loud. So I could be a lusty fan. I was going to make a head something. I was going to talk about it like the stage of my own development. I, you know, as the pre-present's and the pew, all of that. I was, I, it was Washington against Dallas in the conference championship. 1982 for the chance to go to the Super Bowl. And I was with, you know, my cohort. And we were all, but I go on crazy for it. You know, you're watching just Mark Mosley bang field goals and you're bangin'. Okay, okay. Okay. This is something I've been- We're big Dallas's ass. That's the key. This is something I've been thinking about in the last couple weeks. I started falling that Kevin Gallagher guy who just posted a football. That's a good question. But I had never been following him until December. And he was posting these games. And I was realizing that, first of all, I've been watching football now since, you know, 74 or 75 range, right? And all these huge games. And I cared about all of them. And I watched them and I thought about them. And then when I was writing a column, I was writing extensively about them, podcasting about them. But there's almost been too many. So I started this document two weeks ago and I was just writing down all the games. Just with the scores to like refresh my memory. And I wrote down all the conference championship games. What I realized, you think about it, there's two games a year. And how's the night? We've, we've got back to 1974 or 75 range. That's over 50 conference title games in each conference. So now that's just 100 games out of those. 100 plus in your brain plus like 52 to 54 super balls. So these are 160 of the most important games that I watched that I kind of have to jog my memory to remember what happened. It's not like baseball house. Basketball I can still remember all the stuff. See, I can tell you about. I can tell you about it for me. Steelers, cults and, you know, hardball playing Pittsburgh in 95. I remember all of these games and I think NBA, I would be a little shaker. But like I go backwards with NBA with NFL. I'm always like moving forward like today that somebody was talking about the on Twitter. Was talking about Marino's last chance in 95, the Chargers game. Yeah. It's still a serachovic. So I miss it. So I'm a miss the 48 yarder. I was like, think I bet on this game. And I think I, I think I covered and I just went on YouTube and I watched the last five minutes of it. And it was fucking awesome. The Chargers. The Chargers went down. They scored with like 30 seconds left. Then Marino got a pass in her parents and I was like, this is great. I was like, it's almost like we have football in Indonesia. I didn't remember any of the details. I was like, I might just spend the off-season just watching one football game a day until the point I'll do. And I think you'll appreciate this. There's, there's a, there's like one that's called like Giants VHS tapes to Twitter feed. They'll show the intros to the games. So it's like, you know, some are all in Madden 92. You know, it's Cowboys versus Cowboys versus Niners. You know, I was just like, you get chills. And then you get the ads, the ads are great. I really, how's that really mystic, Ember? That was one of the things like watching a couple of days. It was a lot, right? Yeah, there would be a Berlin for a while. And I was, I thought he was like lights out. I really like Charlie Jones was great. But, but yeah, so you think in one of the recurring themes when you see these old games, is how important weather was. It's just this fucking crazy bearable that football has where like the chargers don't win one year because they go to Cincinnati and it's like freezing rain and Cincinnati outdoors. And they just, it's a week after Kellen Winslow game. They got a Cincinnati and it's ice cold and it's the coldest game. They're not playing. But yeah, the weather and last week I felt like, I thought the bears outplayed the Rams. But I don't know how much of it was rather weather related that made the Rams look that way. I don't know what do you take from that game? So, but anyway, it's it's going to be my off season project house. I love it. I'm diving through. I'm jogging my memory because I like was writing columns about these games. I barely remember half of them. Do you ever go back and watch or think about any of the bills AFC championship games? Oh my god. 90s. Wow. They, they would kick the shit out of these teams. Like I think they beat the Raiders like 53 to three. I just huge blowouts four years in a row. And then obviously we know what happened in this room. But like conference championship week to me has like a real special place. Like and even this week they were interviewing McVeigh and McDonnell and Peyton and variable. And there's like an NFC NFC championship logo in like the background of and like that. Even that I get like tingles like it's very, I don't know. It's very historic and very reminiscent and nostalgic to like these classic weekends as a kid. I love it all. Yeah, I think my favorite non-patriots one was. Oh, maybe that wasn't the conference. What was the one where Emmett had the spring had the separated shoulder? I was regular. What was the one when it gets a giant? But then in the playoffs, but he wasn't right. And then the playoffs and just kind of threw the cowboys on his back. Anyway, I just, I just love that whole Emmett run was really enjoyable. The Niners when the Montana got knocked out was an amazing game too. There was, there were so many good ones. We're going to talk about two games, which one do you want to start with? Or do you want to do offseason stuff first? No, you choose one. Now give us so before we do the game, give us your number one coaching subplot this week with all the other. I want all the other. Let me get one around. Coaching subplot. That's interesting. Something like McDonnell picking the Chargers job. Yeah. Did he? So he couldn't get ahead coaching job. What happened? He could have he could have been in the running in Cleveland. And he said, I'm going to pull my name. Jim Harbaugh said we'd love to have you. Basically he knew he wasn't getting the Baltimore job. So he told them he's in his wife is from Southern California. And he and Harbaugh hit it off. Now, can you imagine the conversations that the two of those guys are going to have? Two of the most enigmatic personalities of the league. Harbaugh and McDaniel, but they're going together. And then he withdrew his name from the Cleveland interview process, which so did Jesse Minter. But we knew that the reason Minter was withdrawing his name from Cleveland is because he was getting the Baltimore head coaching job today. So I don't blame McDaniel for that because he just lived in a world where he'd entrust his quarterback. And now you go to Cleveland and you're in the same situation with worse weather. Why would I do that? You do you go to the Chargers, you resuscitate her her, but maybe even try to get him to win a playoff game before his career ends. And then you're the hot candidate a year from now. If it goes well, I think it's smart. You like it? The Buffalo Buffalo is the one that's we could really dive into. Well, let's do it. But I want to be doing your whole Davis web 30 years old. Can you hire your best friend as the coach? What do you think? I don't know. I don't know if I'd hire houses. My head NFL coach, if I was the quarterback, what happens if we disagree on something? So for the so he, McDermick gets fired. We have the fiery press conference. Everyone, you know, is crying for Keon Coleman for a full day. And then the next day, it's like, all right, they have to hire a coach. So today, they interviewed Luanna Rimo and Dave, we're doing this on Thursday. They have Yudinski, who's the 30 year old kid from Jacksonville interviewing Sunday. Anthony Weaver is interviewing this weekend. There will be a couple others. The wild card is Davis Webb, who 30 years old was Josh Allen's backup for three years. Also, his best friend was a, I believe, a groom'sman in the wedding. And his final year with the bills as a backup quarterback was like running the quarterback room, went to the giants for a year with Dave. And then Sean Payton, the second he met him was like, you are going to be a coach. You're retiring today. You're going to be a coach. He's been on Payton's hip for the last three years. All this happens. Josh Allen, I'm told, is going to have a voice in the head coaching process. And that led to this conversation, which I guess we could open it up. Do you let the quarterback have a say first of all, then be this is such like player empowerment era that we see in the NBA. But if he really was to push hard and be like, I want Davis Webb as the coach, are we okay with that considering their relationship off the field as blood brothers, whatever it is? What do you think, guys? Fuck no. I mean, what are you talking about? It is insane. The quarterback is going to say who the what's though? No, no, no, but he might prefer that. The answer. Well, I mean, I'm not going to sort of take too much time on Webb. Webb, yet could be a good answer. It's not the answer to. It's not the same question, really. Right. That's really pushing it. And the and his best attribute is he was under the two relish of of a patent. That's a good attribute. What's the what's the experience in terms of like being leader of men? Like we just went through this. We have a lot of failures, more failures than not. They both the right answer. Bring Webb in as a you know, whatever. Like the quarterback's coach or whatever. Let him be there in waiting. As you guys were talking, I looked up the Emmett ears. It was the 92 one, but it was the year. It was I think it was the year before he heard his shoulder. But that so 92. They beat the lion. No, it was Dallas winning in San Francisco in candlestick January 93. And Emmett was 24 for 114. Seven catches for 59. We're just fucking awesome. I love them. So good. Just they beat in the wild card that year. They be Eagles. Yeah, Eagles. And then they killed the bills. But the Niners, that was like, it felt like such a big game. Like those Niners Cowboys and then when the Redskins were in there for a couple of years, like giants were in there. It just was like those four teams altogether. It was great. I want to get back to that. All right. So if it's not if it's not 30 year old Davis Webb, who isn't them? Could it be 30 year old Judinski? You wouldn't want that either Joe Joe House. No, Joe. I want that to you. That it would what happened. I'm 12 hours behind the cycle. Where's Flores? I know Flores signed an extension with Minnesota, but he has the possibility of if he gets a head coaching job at one or two places, he can leave. He interviewed in Pitzburg. He interviewed in Pittsburgh. He hasn't interviewed in Buffalo yet. Okay. Well, both of those are good. Perfectly fine answers. Both of those would be well great, great answers to me. You know, we could give Pittsburgh some some 14 to 12 type of games. Brian Flores, you interested in a 15 to 13 final? Yeah. Don't need a quarterback. I'll just have it awesome defense. That'd be fun. I, uh, I'm excited that Buffalo overreacted, even though I think it was probably the right reaction. The press conference was a disaster. It was a complete opposite of that Ravens press conference. It got people feeling bad for Ken Coleman, who by all accounts was a schmuck this season. Had to be benched even though they needed receivers. Like, oh, feel bad for Ken Coleman. Like, how about just show them for work every day and be reliable? I don't feel bad for him. Um, but it just feels like a mess. It's so funny. I felt like they had the AFC East unlock for 15 years. Here's just flipping on them. Two things can be true, right? Like, it's amazing. For the first eight years, that local fan base and that media was pretty harsh on McDermott. Yeah. When he gets fired, but being doesn't suddenly McDermott is this like night and shining armor. Look, could they have fired both of them sure? The other eyesight of it is should the GM be allowed to pick his coach one time. Usually in the NFL, the GM will get that opportunity. McDermott's defense is playoff games gave up 31 and a half points per game. That's tough when you're defensive coach. Yeah. It's like, what's what is your number one thing you're bringing to the table? If you're a head coach, if it's like, yeah, it's not really offense. It's obviously not really defensive there because over and over again, we saw that team knock at stops. And then it's like, well, is your game management awesome? And does your team good? It wouldn't really matter. 13 seconds. Yeah. Over and over again, that's been bad. So I don't know. I felt like I actually thought what the owner said was the right answer, which is like, we took this as far as we could go. We needed a new voice. I was like, I actually agree with you. Yeah. I think the NBA is a better comparison than the NFL. But like, Mark Jackson took the Warriors to a certain point. Steve Kerr got him over the top. Doug Collins got the bulls to a certain point. Obviously Phil Jackson over top. Tibito got the next one. They hope Mike Brown, like we see this in the NBA a lot. These teams that fire coaches despite great playoff appearances. The NFL, we don't see it quite as much. Yeah, you kind of know. And especially now in this era where the coaches seem to have a shorter shelf life. I mean, I'm going to whisper this, but you could argue, maybe that should have been Andy Reed's last year or last year. Oh, well, why hasn't that been a topic? Like who was more disheveled and weird and seemingly rudderless than the chiefs last year? And what did they really do to fix it, shrinks? They brought back Eric Bianne me. Oh, my goodness. Oh, from the 2018 to 2022 was the offensive coordinator when they were humming. And the hope is if Andy isn't necessarily the, was the term the Red Ass that that people wanted, you know, at times Eric Bianne me is that guy. And the hope is that his voice coming back spark something new. But Andy's going to be able to, you know, say when his time is up. And he's going to be able to. I think he said it with his coaching job last year. It's been pretty right. Like we watched that happen with Bella check with the the past. When some of the game management stuff started slipping. It's pretty alarming, but they did. They just didn't seem prepared to me. I that they weren't fixing issues they had. I don't know if the locker room was that great behind the scenes. No, there was a lot going on there. It didn't seem like a happy team to me. There were a lot of voices on my network and others that were throwing Bella checks name in for Buffalo and the premise being the roster's built already. There one win away. Like can Bella check give you one or two years to get this team over the, could you see it or what do you think has? Of course you can you see it? Yes, yes, yes. I can see it. I mean, he doesn't you don't let him anywhere near the player personnel room. You like don't even say, oh, we are. That room has its own set of keys. We don't know. Nobody has it. Like, you know, he, as long as it's just come in and coach up that defense and get some, you know, the pressures on me. That's really interesting. So that's just like talk show stuff. That's there's no actual smoke to that. No, there's none at all. And I know guys at Buffalo and I would tell you that that they segregated. Fuck that. That name has not come up. But I saw it. We did it on get up for like a throwaway segment. And then I saw someone else talking about it. And when you think about it just on paper, like the roster's built. We got the same guys. We have playoff experience. We just need to get over the hump. Right. Like, can is there someone who can just win us a game or two more? And I don't know if anyone can win you a game that's really good. That's a good get up segment. That's like the coffee hasn't hit in yet. And then somebody's throwing that out like, whoa. It's like having like throwing a shot of espresso in there. I so he would. Well, it's a move point because you said it's not happening. But if he wasn't involved with any sort of picking the players. Well, then the other question would be he wasn't exactly awesome at hiring coordinators and coaches the last few years. No. The better question is, as a Patriots fan, would you be more worried about him or would you be more worried about Davis Webb being hired? I'd be more worried about Bell Check. That's telling. I would. House agrees. Of course, House agrees. What are you talking about? Yeah, I'm going to get worried. This might happen. Like, I mean, it's fun. As a pass fan, I hope the hire a third-year-old coach. That would be the dream. How old was McVeigh? McVeigh was 30. He's the youngest ever. And then this you do. McVeigh is a fucking unicorn. So if you're thinking about matching that one again, good luck. McVeigh was hired after and House, you remember this season. They lost the Giants, Washington in week 17. To a Giants team that already clinched, they lost 19 to 10. McVeigh was the play call. They're only one year. And I remember talking to him. He's like, I just pissed down my leg. I have no shot at being a head coach. Like, it's never going to happen now. And he got interviews with San Francisco and the Rams. And he won the Rams job despite being on a team that didn't make the playoffs, being 30. And despite, you know, falling on his face in week 17, like, that is such a swing. I don't know if the bills or the browns are willing to take a swing on. You didn't ski who's 30 or Davis Webb who's 30. Like, I love being aggressive. But not when you have Josh and the prime of his career. House, what would be that you can't say huge act center of people like that? What would be the funniest coaching hire for the bills? Is it Mike McCarthy? Where it's like, it's just you can talk yourself into it. But I kind of could talk myself. Yeah, yeah. But it's not a funny word. You're just going sideways from Trump and turn it to Mike McCarthy. No, Tony Dungee would be funnier to me. Like, grabbing some of the, Jason Garrett would be the funniest. Jason Garrett would be the funniest. But he got an interview in Tennessee, which literally amazing. He did not get to say my favorite stories. So. And then you're guy, you're guy, nine kids, Salah got the Tennessee got the job. Got the job. Nine kids. They're going to be moving from San Francisco to Nashville. His third place in three years packed the kids. Let's go. That's great. I mean, perfect place to live. Get a nice house like 20 minutes away from the city. We get like a nine bedroom house. Live in that. We're in Franklin. Yeah. Great job. All right. I wish I went somebody in his life to say, you know, the jets to the Titans isn't like the line. Like you just went through chaos and chaos was it. And you saw how much it sabotaged you. Because I actually think that Salah's a, Bobby's a, I think it's got a, there's a coach in there, a good coach in there somewhere. And what he did with that defense, like, hey, that's San Francisco defense. But going to the Titans with the key. The trust. Well, you know, quarterback. The key is the quarterback. And I think this pod and the three of us last week were very positive on cam ward and I got text from people being like, whoa, you house and Simmons sure love cam ward. I'm like, he showed great flashes. And that's why that was an attractive job. There's also a new stadium coming next year. And there's a lot of salary cap space in their new GM. Mike Borgon, he's a smart dude. Boston guy. Okay. Smart guy. That's it. All right. The offensive coordinator position is what matters. Because Salah doesn't call the offense. So you hire Salah. And now we're two days later. Cliff hasn't committed anywhere yet. He might go to Baltimore or Nashville or maybe Vegas. And then who else are you talking to? You think in day bowl maybe if he doesn't get the job in Buffalo? Like, but that's going to be the most important hire there. Because Salah's got nothing to do with, you know, cam ward and third and sixth. What are we calling? You know, I thought it was interesting what happened in the jet defense after he left. Where it became clear the jet defense was overachieving when he was there and you could see it. Just do this right after. So they bought a Buffalo is probably the most. That would be the second most nervous I'd be. As a Pat's fan. Because he knows he knows the city. He gets it. He's worked with Al. He's from there too. He's been really good. I think you could argue that giant thing. He just said bad luck left and right for years and years and years. And maybe he learned some stuff. He was the defensive coordinator though. That's the, I need to know the answer to that before I have an opinion. New Anna Ruma maybe he's bouncing around. Could be. Uh, last one, Vegas. That's not terrible. The Vegas one as you know, I love that job. And Mendoza, I think, has stocks even higher than it was two weeks ago. And I think they have talent on the roster. Like I don't mind the job. So who gets that one? I was there on Monday night at the couch football playoffs. And I'm on the sideline before the game. Just doing my usual walk around like a, whatever. A nebish and I'm watching Brady, Mark Davis, John Spytech, Egon Durbin, the other owner, before them. Just staring at Mendoza. Just like every. Oh, like, like, like, like, like, a bar staring morning, checking out a check. I was going to say staring at a boil of danger. A red spedlet danger staring at Alex Earl. Um, just, just watching how everything he did. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I do when I go to basketball games. I love watching the guys in the warm-ups. I like watching them during timeouts. Like you could learn so much from that stuff. And, and like, he played amazing. And he was awesome. And on fourth down, it makes the play that's everything you'd think Brady would ever want. Just give up your body and just dive and flip and do the helicopter, whatever it is. So I would think he's their quarterback. I would think not knowing anything. And I think I said this last week, like, Brady's going to make that decision. And if Brady isn't a Phantom in Dose Up, that won't be the quarterback. So anything I say or Danny Kelly says or field yates or Mel Kuiper, Daniel Jeremiah says, means nothing. It's whether Brady thinks he's the guy. But I think Brady was probably impressed by that. The, the coaching position is fascinating, though, because I had been hearing mintter as a popular choice for Vegas. And then Davis Webb's name keeps coming up there also. So you've got not Cliff defensive coach. Yep. Or Cliff has an interview there. They haven't given Cliff an interview. So Vegas to me, who's going to be best with Mendoza? Do you? That's it, right? That's the answer to that. If you take Mendoza, then you then you need a coach that is going to help that kid, like, you know, become the best version of himself. Do you have to hire? Is there like a time limit tiring I had coach? Has anybody ever dragged this along until like March? Just be like, yeah, we still don't know. Well, the Colts were left at the altar when Josh McDaniel's left and they hired. Who do they end up hiring that year instead? I'm going blank. Was it Chuck Pagano? No. Yeah. No. Not some of our, we're between, whoever's between Pagano and Shane Stagen. I'm so embarrassed right now. Frank Reich. That's who it was. Frank Reich. How's the last year? How's the time, man? If we made money on Frank's last year. Frank was the go-to. And then last year, Kellyn Moore wasn't officially hired until after the Eagles won the Super Bowl. They can't meet with any coaches in person and they can't interview them in any sort of way if the team is still alive in the playoffs. So if Shula or Shulhouse or Davis Webb or Vance Joseph or Clint Kubiak, you go down the list of all these guys. I don't think there's anyone in New England who's interviewing for head coaching jobs, but any of those coordinators win another week. Well, that only pushes it back even more. And I don't know if these teams are looking to wait. I was worried about our, our precociously young defensive coordinator at the suburb. Now, I was worried he's like 20 or because our, he's our defense has been really well coached and has gotten better week by week, month by month to like it's noticeable. It's way different than it was. And now I think he has to get credit for that. Yeah, well, Ter Williams, you know, felt ill early on in the season. And then this guy has been calling the plays, but it's maybe the most underappreciated gem of this entire. He's been great. Patriots run. Like everybody like inside linebackers coach. Him and Mac Collins, the two unappreciated gems of the 2025 path season. All right, we'll do the games. I just want to say beyond the record, I think Kubiak would be amazing in Vegas. I think Kubiak and Mendoza would be really because what Kubiak did with taking what every single one of us at least, I don't, I won't put you in our box, Shreger, forecasting how the Seahawks was going to do. The bit that we were most concerned about was that offensive line. Yeah. Somehow that offensive line turned out to be absolutely perfectly. Sam Darnold was back there thriving over these last six weeks. They established a run game. A two-headed monster. Kubiak has really just excelled. I think this is a good act. And I looked at Vince Joseph's Broncos thing because I remember not feeling great about him as a coach, but not feeling terrible. But then you look back at the teams that he had. He had no quarterback at all. So I was like Oswiler. Yeah, it was a mess. He's an extra linch. I think when you, when you're, these guys that have failed, but they failed specifically because they had no quarterback whatsoever. That's, you know, that was how Atlanta jumped on Stofanski right away, because you could excuse the last couple of years. Now, whether it's valid or not, you find out when he's in the next spot. One team that's interesting is Arizona. There's very little reporting on it. The team does not announce when they interview coaches, which is so refreshing and fun. You know, these teams like put out the social media. I don't get that at all. I don't either. Let the reporters do the job. Like go find out who reported. I will say this. Right, he Morris interviewed very well. He could find his way back into the head coach. Can you just fire like a game management assistant? They won their last four games after being eliminated. There's something to be said for that in Atlanta. I think it would be awesome as a defensive coordinator of the bills. They ball and Rahim Morris would be that now. That would be something. I've made this point multiple times. I thought Atlanta was like easily the best under 10 wins, team in the league. Like if there was like a play in tournament of all the non-playoff teams, I think they would have been favored. They were one of the best teams the past played. They should have won that game. We talked about that misdicture point, but I was there when they beat the Rams. I was there when they beat the box like they win. I said they beat the bill. One day three kicks away from being 11 and six basically. That's what I was. It was like a mispieti, the coup field goal and one other one. All right, which game do you want to hit first house? You pick Broncos or C-Hox Rams? No, let's do C-Hox Rams first because the Broncos and Pat's is just so hard to put arms around. I feel like C-Hox. The more straightforward one is just this rubber match. C-Hox minus two and a half. That's the lineup, Fandall. Threaten to be three for a while. Settled there. Big question is what we're getting from Sam Darnal. So Shrakes is going to tell us right now. How healthy is Sam Darnal? Because I was worried about him last week. I ended up hedging some bets and felt stupid because he was fine. He threw a pass across his body in the back of the end zone to Jackson, Smith and Jigbo that I'll put up against any pass that was thrown this entire NFL season. As far as just beautiful precision, I would say his oblique is going to be fine. That's now eight days, nine days removed. I have, we went on the pod, you and I bill. House you aren't with us. It was the one day you were out and I filled in and it was after Seattle Rams part two. That game was unbelievable. I have gone back and watched the first two times these teams played. If you were to do a prize fight, which we love talking boxing, and you were to say, each quarter counts as a round. Chris Shula's Rams defense was up seven to nothing on Clint Kubiak's city hawks offense. That included all those interceptions from Darnal, seven interceptions, all that. But then the fourth quarter and over time of that second game. They started doing play action. They started doing trick plays. There was all sorts and Sam Tharnald came alive. It's like seven to one in as far as the rounds go, but the rounds that mattered. Seattle at the end there just like any issue of like, oh, the Rams defense is dominated Seattle. Like I throw it out the window because they cracked some sort of code there in the fourth quarter and over time. I think they're going to be okay as far as an offense goes. They showed flashes there in that second game. So the two questions I have on that note, how impactful do you think the Charbonne losses and are we a thousand percent confident that Charles Cross is a hundred percent ready to go no issue whatsoever, not diminished. Don't know the latter. The former I will say this because I couldn't tell you the exes and I was of it. I was talking to Orlov ski today who you see on ESPN all day every day. He's just an energizer bunny. But I was with him today and I said, tell me like Charbonne says that thing that no one will know is or that no one talks about to often. He's like, I watch all the tape. Kenneth Walker is not a great past blocker. And that's why Charbonne is in as much as he is an infantasy football. You want to bang your head into the wall if you're Kenneth Walker owner, you're like, why is he ever out? So that might be what they're missing more than just interior runs. I thought Charbonne from an actual running standpoint was pretty grim. And he was I think a very frustrating Seahawk for the fans, but the past protection stuff is worrisome. Gambley Manifesto. But where have they looked a little too good? The previous round team is just pulsating Seahawks. Like you can't have a better game than that. And it was actually a little too good of a game. There's some gambling stats about like if you blow somebody out like that and a playoff round, what happens next round. The aware of all dome or warm weather teams playing outdoors and cold weather. I don't think it's going to be cold, right? It would be okay. Decent. It's not going to be like in the. Yeah, I go. Yeah. Agent Q being cold weather, we don't have to worry about that. The only other one that really stood out to me, because even the coaches one is out. We have four really good coaches. Rule number 13, don't dismiss the nerd evidence if the nerd evidence is absolutely overwhelming. I just feel like the Ram Special teams has to come back and haunt them in one of these games. Is there a third road game? Third road game in a row. And a road game where you end up in the worst spot in the league for a road game, Seattle. It's the furthest, you know, anywhere. So you're flying where they go. Carolina, they're on the southeast, come back. Then they go to Chicago, come back. Now they're going on the Pacific Northwest, which from LA is in six hours. But I don't, the three road games in a row really worries me. And then the bigger things, Shriggs, I just didn't think that Rams looked that good the last couple of games. It was almost like that, that Ram, especially that Rams game, though, those Ramsey Hawks week 16, as they lost steam in that game, they never got the steam back. That Carolina could have beaten them. They weren't better, but they could have. And I just thought the Bears were better and should have won the game. Though I went back and I watched the fourth quarter in the OT. The Bears had it. They're in big fields. They fucking had the ball. They had momentum. They had everything. How about McVeigh not, not letting Stafford throw the ball. And over time first drive three runs in a row. How about two minutes? Two minutes. Everybody. Two minutes eight seconds left. And they decide to run the ball. Yeah, and I use the mouth for the two minute warning. Sean, Sean, open, I talked to him afterwards. He opened. They was like mortified with the way he called that game. And he's like the players bailed me out. Like Mevis bailed me out. And Cam Curle, former Washington commander, bailed me out. Incredible. Don't think that was lost on me. How so are the Forbes? How so far? Sure, the Rams defense is that good? No, because the advanced metrics, like a lot more than my eye test is like that dating back to that week 16 game. It feels like teams are now just going up and down the field on them. Fucking pricey on was doing it. So we have all these, we have the advanced stats and it's like a four month sample size. I feel like there are a team that's running out of steam a little bit. When you need it most on a third down McVeigh calls timeout, he talks to staffer. They see the hot route. No, I'm talking about defense on offense. I know. I'm saying when you need it most though, their defense came up with the interception. Yeah. And then it was a terrible miscommunication play. And a play that I'm not sure why you're trying to get to the 20 yard line. When you need to get to the 38. And they weren't being stopped on and Cam Caleb Williams, he says legs got two first downs legs. Throw to the tight end for five yards. Do a design scramble. Files the Bears fan. That game is the as the weeks pass. How so let me throw this at you. The Rams who have been an awesome offense. They little slow to you. Like a great defense like the Seahawks. And I think that at home, I think we can give them the great tag. Not like 2000 Ravens great, but really, really up there. And I don't think they really have any way they defend the run. It's great. They don't have any weaknesses. And the Rams the way they do it. It's methodically you go down the field and then, you know, and then hope or hope Puka can break and play. They don't really, they're not getting the long plays like they used to. And I don't really know who their speed guy is. Well, it's too too at will and he didn't dress last game. Right. And then Puka, like you look at the gaming, he was like five for 50 last week. Their biggest play that anyone made was Parkinson on a little tight end route. And I just wonder are the Seahawks going to move everybody up and basically dare the Rams to go over the top and attack and hit Puka and just kind of keep everybody in front of them and just make it a game where it's going to have to be 12 play drives to go down the field of them. So I thought where you were going with this when you started and I actually quite like it as I'm thinking about it is are we waiting on the Rams to go up tempo? Like this methodical bit that you're talking about. I don't think you can do that in Seattle. But they did it in overtime. That's true. Yeah, true, true. Yeah. And it worked tough for three hours and tough and that crowd. Tough and that cold. Let me know for another thing you. Stafford does look 100% healthy to me at this point. And I think I had a couple of really hard games there. Adams, we know is at 100% and Puka has taken more hits this year than anyone us in the league and now has to go against the Seattle defense and Forbes went down with the hamstring. He'll play. Yeah, but that's that's real. I think that there's a lot of miles that have added up on this Rams team that makes me really nervous about them on the road. I think the line should be three. What do you think the line should be house? Let's yeah, I'm listening. I'm listening. I'll give you another little Shrigger side note fact anecdote type deal. Shrater side notes. That's good. That's it. Not notes. Not for Pete's sake. Not for Pete's sake. Not this one. Very difficult conversations they had internally after the season. And they were like, it's time to move on from Cooper Cup, who is a beloved Ram triple crown winner, Super Bowl MVP. And they basically told Cooper like, we're not going to pay you what you were making and you're free to go explore. He was a free agent for quite a bit. A couple days, sorts, there were no real takers. The Seahawks paid him a lot of money. And they're like, well, we got a spot for you. Meanwhile, the Rams used all that money and paid Devonte Adams. It looked great for the Rams all season long. Cooper Cups, the competitor. Keep that in mind. Ernest Jones, Super Bowl hero from the Rams. They said, this isn't working here. They moved on from him. He had a nice little couple of years, whatever in Tennessee. Then he'd become like the Seahawks best linebacker. And he is a vocal player and he is a super spirited guy. I love revenge stuff. I love all that. You know, I know. Cooper Cups, Ernest Jones, just put those two out there. You're Ernest Jones cost me so much money. Because when the Rams moved away from him, I was like, oh, so the Rams are tanking. The Rams are getting ready for whoever the next quarterback is going to be. I just didn't like the quarterback class was. They wrote with dope the shit out of it. I lost because that defense was was a no name defense. They had two incredible draft picks. Then they immediately fortified the front again. Kobe Tarrin, Byron Young. Yeah. And versus been incredible. God, it's okay. I mean, the money's gone. I lost it. Fair and square. But that's part of why I have to give McVeigh credit. They retooled. They did not rebuild in any way, shape or form. They pull the defense together like that. I think, you know, the argument for the Rams is that they're not going to be scared to go in a Seattle. They've won there for years. The game is always scary. And it's just he's a he's a fucking unbelievable coach. And and he he's had a bad game last week and they survived. He's not going to have a bad game two weeks in a row. Case for Seattle. Other than what we've already talked about, they've only lost one six week five. They've won eight straight. In the last few weeks, they beat the Rams and they beat the Niners twice. Now the Rams game is goofy, obviously. The revenge stuff you mentioned. They seem pretty healthy, other than the sharpening thing, their home. Rams special teams scares the living shit out of me. And I just did not like what I saw from the Rams the last two weeks. I don't know how you can feel good about it. And I think playing three road games in a row in the playoffs is fucking meaningful. I don't think you can skip over that. Like you're talking about. You're talking about the first team in the Super Bowl era to not cover the spread in the first two games. They have arrived at the conference championship without covering in either of the two previous weeks. Really, really hard and one of one. And they also have a rest disadvantage. And there's a nice action network. Teams with the rest of the 21s and 7s straight up at home. Seattle at home with that with the extra day. Have you guys been to a game up there in Seattle before? I have. I'm dying to go. It's so cool. And I did Monday Night Football this year against the Texans, but I've been I was at the playoff game where they played the, you know, the Michael Crabtree Aaron Andrews game. That one I was at the Sherman game. When it gets like like last week when Shaheed returns the kick camera. Trumbulley. Yeah. Yes. And it's like an avalanche. Yeah. It's like you just you can't stop it. It's just too much to momentum. They don't lose many playoff games at home. The one that I remember was against the Rams. But it was during COVID and it was a weird year. And it was Jared golf with nine fingers, Beat Russell Wilson off and golf came and off the bench. But like, I they don't lose many games at home. And when that crowd gets going, especially in a night game, like it's it's very hard to win there. Well, one other thing I like about this, it feels like every week they've gotten a little bit better using Shaheed. And kind of figuring out what kind of weapon that is. But him on special teams, I think, should be terrifying for the Rams with how bad they've been. But then they can just get him involved a couple times in different ways. And I think I think they can throw on them. Now there's a chance, Donald could just shit the bet again. Can't be ruled out. But he's thrown seven interceptions in two games against this team. Not great. Might McDonald's first conference championship game as a head coach. Just want to say that look. Second, he was a coordinator for Baltimore. Yeah. And ultimately chiefs. Yeah. Cause I like the two and a half to and that's where I'm leaning. Unless you want to try to be fair number. No, it's so it's super fair. One and a half, you know, whatever it was three weeks, go two and a half now. And, you know, I think the extra point, half of that extra point for the incredible home field advantage in the playoffs and extra half a point for how good that defense looked last week. Shaheed Shaheed to score a touchdown in the first half. 18 to one. I was saying, I like cup. I think they're going to get him score the first touchdown. 18 first touchdown. Yeah. I think comes to the day time score cup anytime. Four or two plus two. Get him. They want to get him in there. Trust me. I got to make a note of this. Hold on. I like. I like the, um, I like to see Hawks minus two and a half. And I like Stafford Interception minus one 14 that Stafford will throw one pick. I would like to. So for Ringer 107, we have, we had to pick both games straight up and you can parlay them or go straight up and then props or unders for the other two. And I would like to suggest as a possible prop house Stafford Interception minus one 14. Did you have, go ahead Pete. Did you see the whole thing with the Pope and the sea hawks? Have you seen that? What's that one? Oh, this is up your alley. In 2005, yeah, we got a new Pope and the sea hawks went to the Super Bowl. Okay. In 2013, we got a new Pope and the sea hawks went to the Super Bowl. In 2025, we got a new Pope to the sea hawks. It sounds like a half-soup at the gambling manifesto if it happens. Don't bet against the sea hawks in the year of a new Pope. It's a really nice social clip, will you? Well, I was thinking the flip side of this. Patriots 2001, Brady's first Super Bowl, they upset the Rams. It all comes full circle in 2018. Brady's last Super Bowl. They beat the Rams. Now we're starting the Drake May era. Could it be Drake May trying to beat the Rams for his first Super Bowl and we're basically just book ending. I like your Pope thing more though. All right. So it sounds like shrigs kind of understands why we're going sea hawks minus two and a half, but doesn't really want to say I don't think the Rams are the Rams. I'm not saying a pick. I'm just, I laid out some things and I'm not. Donald against the Rams doesn't, you know, you could make arguments to the contrary. Patriots Broncos. By the way, did you you read Kosterman's book, right? Yes. Do you have any knowledge of that bloody Sunday that he wrote about the Super Bowl 10 Cowboys versus Steelers and the line started off at two and a half, but nobody was betting it. Then I kept on going. The Jack is Smith. Yeah, that was the Jackie Smith game. That's the most famous story. I had never heard the famous standing story. They moved the line around and basically the books lost on every version of every bet. You got smoked with the middle, right? That was like the first famous gambling story I think I ever knew. I had never heard that. And basically, if you haven't heard of it, Chuck writes about it. I just ripped through that book in like three days. It was two and a half. No one was betting on the underdog, which was the Cowboys. Then thought it was three and a half. Was it three and a half? Yeah. And it moved between three and a half and four and a half. It bounced back and forth. And every time the line moved, it ended up winning. And then it ends up being a four point game. All the betters who came in early and all the betters who came in late all won. Right. And I'm like, this is incredible. And then the push is, which is the worst case scenario for the books. Not creating either. How started us off with Broncos, Pats? Well, the starting point is whether what your perspective is on the amount of line movement because where is it sitting right now? It's four and a half. It's four and a half. It's bounced between five and a half and four and a half. I personally think it should be three and a half, but fine. So that's the, you know, you have to first get yourself comfortable with the math problem, which is in the absence, if Nick's was playing, I think Denver would be favored by one and a half. Do you agree with that or no? Yeah. Denver at home. That's all we're saying. This is the problem with this line. And I said this Sunday night, I don't think going from next to stitum should be where six points. I thought it was going to be worth three. That's the story. I was way off. I picked Pats by one and a half and the line opened at five and a half because I think there's ways for them to win the game without having to rely on stitum too much. I just thought it was an overreaction. If it was Josh Allen, I get it. But not Bo Nix. You hear from that trace week. I get it. And game plan wise. That's seven points better. Here's the thing. The way that the Broncos decided to scheme offense last week against the bills, they threw the ball 51 times. The strength of the Buffalo's bills defense was supposed to be defending the past. Now the way that that Denver played all season long, one of the, I think they were either the second lowest or lowest air yards, right? They don't they don't go down the field. Everything is around the line of scrimmage in terms of how the ball comes out. That's something where they have such an implicit trust in Nix. This is that they're going to have success with that. And so if you want to say, can they replicate that with stitum? Is that are they going to be comfortable doing that with stitum? Is that can they run that? You love that. They're variable because the Pats run defense. People are finally starting to realize this is really, really good. And they're going to have to throw the ball on us to beat us. Denver can't run the ball. I tried that last week. I bet there's our job in there. Dobbins might come back. Yeah. They just take my money and set it on fire. Yeah. Broncos are not going to try and the, the JK Dobbins thing, what's the current state of affairs? Do we think that he's going to play? They're going to really make, he's going to come back. I don't know where and his foot's going to, I don't know. I'd be surprised. The practice window is open. We'll see, you know? It's good to know. That might that could change. Shakes. Let me read you. Let me read you. Let me read you. Okay. Okay. Not sure if it was covered on get up might have been might have greenie might have been on this past 50 years playoff home dogs of four plus points or nine and oh against spread true No QB has ever made his first start of the year in round three It's never happened stall back did it in 72, but it was the second round Round three it's never happened It was the NFC championship game, but yes, there's only two rounds go on. Sorry Yeah, true He's the seventh QB since 1950 to make his first start of the season the playoffs and I'm going to talk about the other six One of whom was near and dear to house is hard Taylor Hanneking 2020 with the Washington commanders Covered covered they lost Tampa's favorite by 10 they went by eight Hannekey throws 306 with touchdown played well Next one was Farah Connor cook for the Raiders. I don't even remember this game. I'll tell you that was against the Texans Here's what happened it was Derek Carr got hurt late and then Matt McGloen was supposed to play and he got hurt in week 18 And they had to start Conor Cook well they lost by 13 and he threw one touchdown and three picks I do remember this next game Joe Webb On the 2012 Vikings Packers favored by 10 Saturday afternoon game Christian ponder's wrist I believe was what the issue was the morning of Joe Webb threw 30 passes. How many do the complete house? Oh I remember this Money unless less than 12. Yeah, it was 11 There was a Saturday day game and then the night game was that crazy Arizona green Bay game when Rogers hit two hellmarious Oh, right 1992 the only win out of all these first time starting all year playoff guys. Can I guess it Frank right Frank right Great call so here's how it's a little different and this has happened in a couple times Frank right there was a he played a bunch the week before he at least got a got his feet wet and then Because I think Kelly got hurt Buffalo was favored by two at home over the Euler's they fell down 35 to three Stage the biggest comeback in the history of football. Just an amazing moment I definitely gambled on the game, but I don't remember who I had But I was definitely gambling at that point and had one of the two sides maybe I must have had the Euler's because I think I have blacked out So that's the only win This one is a great one 1983 The Detroit Lions are playing Montana and the Niners in San Francisco They win this game right they do not win this game. They do cover because the Niners were seven and a half They lose by danielson who are danielson 23 24 they lose And they lost on like a misfugal or extra point that was like a chippy Well, that's one of the reasons they lost they also lost because Gary danielson threw five interceptions that The full the low He did a full the low on us. I don't know if any of them were six before the low and then the last one was With the Dallas got killed in washington so 1972 so six quarterbacks they go one and five straight up three and three against the spread the only thing that's different is that Buffalo was the only one that was home and that was frank rake who won So I don't know what we learned house I'll give you I mean Just he hasn't thrown a pass in a game in over 730 days It's a lot and All right, so we had him in the wingo Yeah, you went in the bag. I got what patents told me if you want to be to give you the rally and cry behind it Well, here's the thing he when Brady left he was supposed to be the starter the next year and he got hurt And he heard his back and he missed the whole year they don't do in the cam Newton thing and You know Brian Hoyer and but it was supposed to be stedoms job and they liked stedoms The Macdonalds went to denber and was like I need stedoms Vegas, I mean Vegas and took him with him. He was like I'm taking stedoms. That's my guy and then Peyton was like I like him Brought him to denber So he's been a pretty fairly paid backup. I think he's one of the highest paid backups in the league and I think coaches have liked him and think think he's at least competent Coaches and players. So his nickname is stitty. Yeah, he's got a ton of like charisma and swag and Jason McCordy was on those Patriots teams and was telling me like a stitty thinks he's you know He's the number one quarterback in the NFL and he acts that way and you almost love it because he's on the scout team that whole season And he's talking shit to all the defensive players. He was beloved in New England the very first day of I let him go because I think they got Mac Jones. I think that was all the reasons they they were like okay good luck Studies so McDaniel's brings them with them. Obviously they bench Derek cards great controversy Derek cars You know his brother talks on and if on that workout, you know, have this all everything And then stitum comes in against the number one defense in the entire league the 49ers and stitum throws for 350 yards and lights up the 9ers as a raider free agency comes Sean Payton's first year of a Denver has a big board in his office And he's listing out his priorities now. He's already got Russell Wilson who's there on the hook for for about a billion dollars and the first name on the list is Jared Stitum And they paid him as high a salary as any backup quarterback in the league And they brought him in and then you'd say okay, well Russell didn't work out. Why would they draft nicks? Well they fell in love with nicks They took nicks. He's been there all along On Payton's it on Davis website on Jolombardy's hip and like when I tell you Talking of Payton in the summer like tell me stories about Stitie like they love the love stood him so Well, did you buy anything when he came out and did the press conference immediately that's a master Like what was the cuz I saw one of the shows they were like He wanted the Patriots to know he was fine with going to war with Jared Stitum the next week Yes, it's also for the Broncos to know that so it's instead of Shepard coming out with a tweet during the second half of the Seahawks game Payton gets in the news runs to the podium. There's never ever been a second Coaches press conference. They assemble the meeting. He's like yep. Yeah, nicks is hurt. We got stedom We feel great with stedoms. Did he's good You know look I'm gonna give you a quick Sean Payton history lesson here You know that he won a Super Bowl and you know that he got suspended for a leak the from for a year from the leak That's the two big Things in his career that everyone knows him for Gut wrenching horrible all time Playoff losses you're talking about Minneapolis miracle You're talking about Alex Smith's to Vernon Davis And Candle stick at the last second to be true breeze you're talking about the Nicole Roby Coleman play Um where they didn't call the pass interference. They were home and lost an NFC championship game You're talking about that wild game against the Buccaneers in the playoffs where they were the home You know favored team and Tom Brady lights up the Buccaneer it likes up the Saints and wins in the division round and then the Beastquake where they're 11 and five and they got to go to Seattle so like He had horrendous Sean Payton. I said horrendous playoff losses And it's almost like well, I mean the worst one ever was that Rams one that said probably the worst call the quarter century, right? How so that's the one worst call? Non-call it was such a bad non-call that they brought in a brand new rule that they never used one time I just a little review passage here So fear of saying how they messed that up. It was one of the most blatant pass center appearances Probably the most blatant pass center interference that wasn't called that I can remember Now the Rams fan will tell you this because I've often said that and the Rams fans were tort is The Saints were up 13 nothing at home And lost that playoff game. I know they also got the ball at overtime. Yeah, I can true breeze through a tear I remember making that point in the podcast. They did get the ball and overtime. It was still a bad call So anyway Payton said all these horrible losses It's like he's always got like some crazy way to lose Is this the year with stitum that they get over the hump and he gets back to the Subaru crazy stat Note seven coaches have coached two different super balls with two different teams. No coaches ever won Super Bowl two different teams Peyton would be the first House give us your Jared Stitum thoughts because I'll just tell you right now. He's violates at least three three rules and then a festo How can I have many juries and try to cover this like please don't talk yourself in a Jared Stitum as they manifest those staple It's a scheme Concept you you just have to believe in in what the Broncos are doing scheme-wise They do have one of the what top three offensive lines and an all football that will be a difference for the Patriots The Patriots had the luxury of playing at home against two of the worst offensive lines And now they're going up against by by many measures a top three offensive line Will you you know these gonna be comfortable at home? You know that he's gonna be comfortable with the rhythm that they want to play at It's just execution. I have no f-ing idea. Well, then how can you get to cap that? You've figured there's some kitchens think kitchen sink stuff in this game With the Broncos right Every trick you can imagine they're gonna be fake point of all the stops. Yeah, whatever um And prostitum stuff other than that we know Peyton like some There's a really gruesome Patriots and Denver playoff history. So have you guys ever wanted to know? Not in the playoffs own forum bad losses. Rulan Jones is a legendary loss Denver altitude not great Denver Is not gonna be able to run the ball and I think Denver's gonna know that and sit him. It's not gonna be like Hey, sometimes you I think they're just like dude You're gonna have to chuck it in this game or we're not gonna win which I think might be good or might be terrible if you go and anti If he starts out slow and a couple bad things happen the crowd's gonna die Yeah, and the team morale's gonna go it'll just we've seen this where it's just like it gets dark And then I think McDaniel's really knows him Does so he's gonna know yes Josh McDaniel's might be his second biggest supporter in the world I mean so much so that they had him as the guy and put that in New England till the injury and He brought him to Vegas with him. He knows everything he can do and not to Um pro-pat stuff Beyond the run the Mac Collins coming back as huge. I'm just telling you like he really is gonna help them run the ball and he's Kind of drinks twice a game guy and like a third and eight I feel like may as do for a good start to finish game Maybe it's just maybe it's just too young in his career But he has this habit of just starting slow for an hour and then it kicks in But Denver's defense not as good as Houston or the chargers I don't think and I think Denver's defenses had some games where they look pretty shaky Um, and then the Sean Peyton thing talking about They're gonna have plenty of rest the fans gotta be loud. They're gonna be plenty rest in two weeks Vrable's gonna fucking jump all over that all we can and you can't do that with Vrable He's gonna bring that up all the time. So those have been my big ones house any other uh Be going pro-pats anything else you're looking at Uh, no, I was thinking more I wanted to hear whether there's any indication that student can run Because next ran 12 times last week now is only for about 30 yards or so, but that you build it at the quarterback It scares you enough at least to yeah, yeah, yeah, Kate does he have that do we think he's got it But it's not it's not like we've seen it. I mean he's got that in his game apparently he can move I asked the same thing and yeah, he's got some mobility, but he's not bow bow nicks can run. Yeah. Yeah Definitely can I don't I don't like this line at all Wait bill A couple thoughts on the Patriots for you and I want to hear your thoughts first thing Drake may six fumbles and two playoff games that great To will Campbell He might start in a super bowl at left tackle. I'm not sure this guy is your franchise left tackle He might be an amazing left guard. I don't I don't understand Cleal Mac and Will Anderson are unbelievable but like Every time they went back last week it was hold your breath at this nip bonito can Can run and can rush the quarterback. So that's something I would watch out for shrigs I'm aware Yeah, I'll tag I'm gonna float this at you are we sure will Campbell's healthy Fair he missed what three or four weeks. It's the end of the season He doesn't look like he is the same kind of side to side movement that he used to have Little worried about that Um, then I have a flip side kind of thing for you. Yeah, I've seen it's a lot A lot of hate on this Patriots run and that like we should discredit it based on the quarterbacks at or the teams that they've played in the easy schedule and all that as Someone who follows the NFL. I am here to tell you and I am not a Patriots fan by any means It is the most ludicrous thing To say that a team that's on the eve of a super bowl has had an easy path I think it's absurd that defense that they faced last week in Houston against Houston is one of the best defenses The NFL has seen in years and the Chargers defense Whether or not they play that way consistently all season was phenomenal against the Patriots that week 10 first good two, but like if I'm a Patriots fan do not apologize for anything. This has been an amazing run I've made that point on Sunday that chief said that first Super Bowl mahalms won when they played like they're freaking Texans and then telling the Titans and like Jimmy Garoppolo in the Super Bowl. Nobody was like, oh, who'd they play? um I uh, there's some stat Going around on one of my past texts or it's about The dva away of the defenses the Patriots have played this year is seventh and the Rams defenses is ninth It's like one of them mentioned that um I uh, I think the lines too high house But I certainly think the Patriots are gonna win Okay, so I'm really I just I think this is going to be a close game. I think it's really hard to like win a game convincingly in Denver with a team It's one thing if stedom came in in the second quarter and they're like oh shit We got to change everything they've had all we to figure out exactly how to do this They're gonna be able to throw on the on the Pats a little bit And then it's really gonna come down to is remind you're gonna be able to run the ball and his Drake not gonna turn the ball over And I don't know the answers. I think On the ball. I want to ask you that you need to run the ball I don't forgot say The question for me was can Drake may run the ball? Well that was asked for the fourth quarter finally They started running it was crazy a couple of beds that I like for the props Yes, Drake's longest run is 12 and a half yards. He did that in six of his last eight games Ramandra is Houston. No, Ramandra's longest reception Ten and a half yards is the over under he's done that in seven the last night is he a hundred percent healthy What's the deal with his eye he's fine. He got poked in the eye Um So I like that and then There's some stitum props like stitum basically to throw 20 completions or more as is 19 and a half is the completion number And I just don't think they're gonna be able to run the ball that well in the Pats and stitums gonna have to throw the ball They how many times they throw it last week 51 Yeah, I know plus he scrambled twelve six 46 46 passes and then stitum 199 plus yards I thought was interesting too because They're gonna get offense Triggs I know you love the tie first half My line second half game. I was texting you throughout the first half. I'm like I don't like this They're up 11. I don't like to throw up four that's 16 to one Do it and then There's Some money line stuff we can do house You can do Pats money line with the under of 15 and a half that fits ring or one or seven rows You can do Pats money Denver plus 14 and a half It's minus 108 so basically the Pats win between one and 14 points We could do that we could do Pats plus five and a half with Denver plus eight and a half that's minus 111 Basically saying it's going to be either the Pats will lose the close game or Denver is gonna lose by less than a touchdown um Those were probably the ones I was looking at the most but I had done Pats money line with the under 15 half There'd be 51 points in this game Seems pretty high If if we knew how many turnovers there would be then I would feel more comfortable with it But like we I just Let's just hope there's not a close call at the end because the NFL's got you know get it go We got to kick off afterwards Shrinks Broncos D gave up 29 to indie 32 the Giants 24 to Dallas 26 to Green Bay 26 to Washington and 30 to Buffalo last week Yeah, and yet they rushed the passer, which is what you have to be worried about with your quarterback. Yeah Can we just talk? I think they might have let the league in sacks. I could be actually throwing that number out They might not even be good at sex. Can we go big picture. Did you think Denver was that good this season? Cardiac kids type season like the Bears like just one amazing games But I don't know if they're that good to the number one seed though and they earned a home field advantage Which I think is huge there. I thought they were good How's I thought they were good. I think the same house I think it's good. They're fine Two two fine teams the championship play for the right to go to the Super Bowl fine So it's like we have to trust the manifesto What's the manifesto net out with we had a lot of different arguments there It says, but where are the nobody believes in us team for the Broncos that's scary um But where of any team that could use a notable off field distraction Major injury or tragedy as a gov and as in force they fit that one Never pick an underdog unless you genuinely believe that as a chance to win they hit that one as well Rule number 11 Don't talk yourself into a terrible QB ever for any reason It's tricky. We don't know if he's terrible and be super careful with first time playoff QBs Who are basically like 20 and 42 against straight up and Also terrible against the spread and then And then remember the law of lumbarity bad offensive lines don't travel that could be the patriots Yeah, that's the patriots and then Denver's offensive lines pretty good rule number 18 take one last look at the quarterbacks He's the fearless the fear of this is also the variable you talk yourself into the Broncos all week And then Jared's did him sucks and the reason he sucks is because he's been a backup QB his whole career And you're watching the game in your half hour and you're like What did I do? I just bet on the Broncos backup QB and the AFC title game. I'm an AD yeah Sean Payton loved him so so much That he drafted bonix in the first round with him on the roster right He loved them so much. He used the biggest draft capital PC had on a competitor that could take his job Here Here's what I envision and when you're talking about oh shit you start the game and you're like wait House is exactly right one of those wide receiver screens to like Marvin Mims or Cortland son and he throws a wobbly ball And it's a pick six to start the game and you're like all right here we go right House we taking the past minus far and a half I hate it. We're not You gotta take them The math says take Denver. There's no no From from the perspective of like just the basic math of it you have to play Denver you can't do it. I can't do it. They can't lay four and a half. It just doesn't there's no Basis for it doesn't make any sense all right So I'm gonna do Pat's money line with the under 15-half then okay you I'm not gonna argue with you Uh, I'm just you know And We haven't had great success tying things together Maybe this will be when it turns it could be we did go three in one last week We should know we talked ourselves into the stupid Niners. I know that was me. No, it was fair Very interesting nugget here. Maybe my most insightful stuff If it goes as you guys say We'll have two mics coaching against each other in the Super Bowl if it goes the opposite way it'll be two shones coaching against each other in the Super Bowl my work is done You Like so dumb as long as you don't like any under in the Seahawks right that's a stay away All right, we're in 107 is presented by fandall sportsbook That's where we get the lines from and our first game is going to be the Patriots Broncos We are going to take the Patriots money line parlayed With an under of 15-1-half So if this game goes to 51 points and up we lose We're scared of the line It's happened for Broncos plus four and a half at home There's no sign of history of this not covering which is a little worrisome There's also some bad bet we covered all of it in the pod that's one Second reminder Stevenson longest reception 10 and a half yards over Little bailout He did it seven of his last nine times that's our second best love this one Third bet Go and Seahawks minus two and a half Against the Rams Rams third straight road game I think the Seahawks are the best team in the league. We'll see if Donald's oblique can hold up Then last but not least We think Matthew Stafford for the interception minus 114 What is the cup anytime touchdown That we didn't we but we're doing ringer on a seven. We don't need to take like a risk Got it got it got it so we can do we can do Stafford You could do the Drake May longest year longest rush 12 and a half yards or we can do stitum plus 19 and a half completions Hmm What excites you in most house Stafford reception that I mean that was fun to root for you don't like that one Well, he didn't three he just doesn't throw a ton of picks like not his thing And he didn't throw it like uh, you know Whatever that was three weeks ago no interceptions shriggs is there a guy in the Seahawks Rams game you feel like could be heard from Could I give you You like the cup alt receiving I feel like they're gonna This is sounds absurd. I feel like they're gonna make up priority in an emphasis on getting cup involved against this a former team with Strip to the Super Bowl in the line cup 30 plus yards minus 114 fits our parameters. I like it That one house. That's my favorite of all the ones really you like that more than the my second favorite is stitum completion So think you so so you can tell we're both and a tie Well, I'll parlay it. I could also have you Rashid Shahid Five plus rushing yards at minus 108. It's one sweeper on the corner. They had that great sweep for a big swing time Little gimmick sweep. I love that one. Why did you wait so long to do that? No, I'll do that one my fake. That's a terrific. That's one run Rashid Shahid five plus yards minus 108 Today's ranger 107 was brought to you by fandall odd subject to change shriggs So you're on the Super Bowl Yeah And then what happened you had one of these games this weekend? I'm not be done. I'd work on Monday night football So there's no Monday Situation. I'll say this there's supposed to be this horrendous blizzard Joe house. I know you're a woman It's coming. I think The NFL is in kuhuts with the weather gods the ratings are gonna be absolutely insane No one's leaving the house for two days and we just have two football games on a can't wait There's even stuff in like Texas like Dallas is getting annihilated like they did at that Super Bowl Yeah, we were at that Super Bowl. We were nice bowl. That was my favorite Super Bowl We were the only ones there nobody else That one Yeah, that's my favorite one. I don't think we're air of shrinks at that. We had a great time I don't think we hung I think the first time I hung with Bill of Super Bowl was New Orleans when it was 49ers Ravens. Oh wow. I think Lewis Lewis K introduced us and I was like a kid in a candy shop I was there that was 2013. That was me against You there the last night and before the game in Dallas When we went to that party and nobody was at the party and they had like a A million things of booze Was that the party and it was outdoor and western koocher. Yes, we were all huddle under the heat lamps Yeah with Aaron Andrews named by the fucker. Yeah, it was there Lewis was there. We had a bunch of people but Lewis was there we were drinking and and freezing to death And I flew from there to New York and I got bronchitis. I was the sickest I've ever been I was I was in the ironically the Trump Plaza hotel in New York City for two days Like like having like fever dream like thinking I was gonna die level And miss multiple flights back is most sick I've ever been but I had a great time Thank you Dallas. Thank you Dallas. Thank you Dallas. Do you go to that nick and Steph's great stay cast down there Definitely did that well the nicken Tony's the funny is with Dallas. Sam's Dallas is set up where it's like they have no snowplow They have no ice the straight no salt for the no salt for the ice of the things they they just have no plan If there's ever bad weather. It's like sorry guys you're on your own So strange this thing we ever saw nobody could drive around No, the bus drivers didn't know how to do it. They're like karendolf the road if you remember there's like a nice man Yes, it's brutal honestly Dallas is Handling of bad weather would be the most inexplicable thing this sent you a Dallas that they hadn't tried to look at Don't judge for a bang up Anthony Davis That's the number one How about you suggesting Luca? How about you suggesting? What was it Lebron James for cat? All my nix fans texted me. This guy's No, everyone's you missed earlier in the podcast. We did we traded Luca for yada's He just tried that yeah, you tried to get rejected so quick shrinks real quick. Oh go Netflix they've had this whole thing Netflix is a joke. I'm seeing all these ads about Tim Dylan doing something and this one's doing something Can we get a Simmons and house May Netflix is a joke like a live event where you guys are doing something for Netflix. Can I go and attend that? I would love what I'm actually doing that because I'm doing something with the guys from tires Oh, it's a shame Yeah, well, I have to invite myself to be in that you can you and I will be backstage. Yeah, I feel Simmons shirts Where's the food? She'd be throwing out. Where is the shame? Uh, it's an L.A. Oh great. I think I'm gonna see Shane Gillis this weekend If the snow doesn't stop me. He's playing at the garden. I have friends that are going to that Okay happy for enjoyed Shragg's great. See you house. Thanks for sticking around for two hours and nine minutes How did it get off? I see that no you know how we do Right, thanks to Gihau and Eduardo as well. Don't forget new rewatch was coming Monday. We're first time on Netflix Uh, it is gonna be zodiac you can also get it on Spotify Spotify as well. We're taking a trip Could be three hours. Yeah me and fantasy and Chris Ryan um, and uh, and that's it. We have a bunch more pods going on Netflix as well Starting on Monday guys enjoy the weekend go pets. Let's go football I'm gonna see them I don't have Must be 21 plus in president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas star casino Or 18 plus in president DC can tuck your while man game problem call 100 gamble or visit rg-help.com Call 888-797-777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat commenticate or md gambling help.org in Maryland Hope is here visit gambling help line ma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24 seven support Massachusetts or call 877-8 hope and why or text hope and why in New York