Colin Cowherd Podcast - Rory REPEATS At The Masters, A Tradition Like No Other, Vrabel/Russini Controversy, NFL Draft Preview

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I mean, there were chances even on 18. You're like, Oh, brother. But yeah, I mean, the reality is this is what happened with John Elway and your O'Tonnie's and your Shax. You know, you have that this this prodigy talent, right? And you can struggle, struggle, struggle. And you get the first one in its remarkable. We had Alan Shipknock on. He said, you know, Thursday, Friday, this is going to be, you know, as as much fun as Rory's ever had playing golf and it was. And I just, I thought his ability in his confidence when he got into trouble. Today, all stems from last year, which is fairly obvious. Yeah. I mean, when you have a he went into this week with no pressure, right? He's a defending champ. Just come in, have a good time. But then he has a six shot lead after two days. You're like, well, you kind of, you can't blow it now. And then yesterday was a roller coaster. I do think having that championship, you know, winning it last year, Freddie couple said after the dinner, his first thought was, Rory might never lose again here because the he's clearly the most talented guy, him and Sheffler. Yeah. But Rory battles the difference between Tiger, who would just suffocate you. Rory to me is like Phil on steroids. He is a rollercoaster. He is a great theater. CBS has to love this. I mean, you are just on the edge of your seat over the weekend. At any moment, he could have a 10 foot eagle putt or be hitting out of the trees and hold on for dear life for Bogey. And clearly today, like. He could have a hole. You're like, he's going to lose this. And then he birdie back to back holes. And then you'd have another shot where he'd rip it way left. He'd rip it way right. Even on 18. Yeah. You're like, Rory, just hit a five iron down the middle of the hole. Just play conservatively. And you can tell he was like, should I do that? He handed me the driver and he pumps it into the trees. Even CBS cameras couldn't find the ball when he hit it over the trees. Like, what did he just do? Yeah. But he has a chance. You know, he's still in the prime of his career mid 30s in great shape. He's going to win this tournament again. You know, he's going to be one of those guys that wins the master's three or four times. He rattles off a couple other majors, probably never catching Tiger. But he's now tight fill. He's past Kepka. I mean, you're looking at a guy that's probably going to end. He's got a pretty good chance to have double digit majors and be clearly, I don't know, be considered a top five golfer of all time behind Tiger. Jack Arnold, like in that in that class, clearly. Yeah, I thought I thought today was about recovery shots. That I really, if you had to, you know, repeat and recovery from Rory just recovered constantly. So Jack won six masters, Tiger five, Palmer four. And then there's a bunch of guys at three and now Rory's at two. You know, it's interesting you talk Tiger. My producer, Ryan sent me a text. He's like, you know, Tiger in his prime was a little like Brady, almost robotic. I mean, if he went into a Sunday with a lead, he's just going to extend it. He didn't give you any chance. Whereas Rory, to your point, it's more disciplined than Phil, but he's got a little Mahomes where he's going to add a little bit. He's got flair. I mean, they're all like Mickelson in his prime, especially Tiger and Rory are are incredible off the tee. But I I find. They there was there was something about all of them, the aspirational sort of nature of Tiger, the wildness of Phil. But I I think like Rory is a balance for me. I find him more likeable than Tiger. I think he's more disciplined than Phil. And I don't know. I just when I when I he gets me to a television set and I don't leave. I mean, I didn't I watched it an hour and a half before it started. I didn't miss a shot today. It was great. This tournament is great. And this tournament, when you have one of the all time greats in the mix or have a great chance, is to me, as good of a theater, non football as we have in this country. And I think the thing that Rory has, people forget this, you know, Tiger came up in an era where the equipment what you sprayed the ball around. So if you watch some of the Tiger highlights, it's hitting shots over trees from 200 yards to 10 feet. Phil was, you know, that was his game. Right. I mean, one of the great short games of all time because he was way right, right? So he had to hit a crazy flop shot. Rory has this element to his game that is just you never know what's coming. Like on any given shot, right, he could hit it into the water or hit it into the trees. Kepke when he was rolling and one of the majors, fairway, green, two putt, fairway, green, two putt, occasional birdies, no screw ups. That was Kepke, right? No. He was five under. He was five under this weekend. So a good, a good weekend for him. He was playing well. Yeah. And he saw Scott today can get rolling. Scott, he's just fairway hitting it close. Rory has those holes clearly, but he also has holes. Rory, what are you doing here? I actually think these last couple of years for non niche golf fans, he's become much, you know, forever. Tiger was the, you know, probably the 2000s as famous as anyone on the planet, right? And it was making at golf, 90 million dollars a year. Remember, Phil was like 60, 70 and these two guys and he and Phil kind of drafted off Tiger. Yeah. Rory, it to me has vaulted himself and just everyone, like my wife's talking about him, my mom. So he's just a polarizing individual because it's like, is this guy true? Because the one thing with Phil, I've always, I was always a Phil fan. But is he authentic? Is the authentic Tiger? Sometimes it's too robotic, too big of an a hole. Rory's pretty genuine, you know, just all of his press conferences this week was just like, you know, this is awesome, but I got to close step by step, keep swinging hard. Like he kind of embraced it, clearly less pressure than the elephant. You know, the monkey that was on his back about that clearly freed him up. Like I don't know if he blows the six shot lead yesterday. If he hadn't won the master, that's right. He's able to win today. Exactly. And that you have that confidence because I had confidence in him today. I just didn't know if like Justin Rose was going to birdie, you know, eight holes coming down the stretch. Yeah. But I didn't think Rory was going to quote unquote choke like he almost did last year. It was he was going to make enough birdies. I thought he made some big shots today. He birdie when it was kind of falling apart, he birdie seven and eight. Yeah. He missed a close one on nine. Like he started playing well when it got really shaky. And I don't know if he settles the ship because historically he didn't. And I think last year, you know, I think this opens the gates for I think you're looking at a guy that's going to win four or five more majors over the course of the next three or four years. Where do we put, you know, just thinking about Mikkelson. So Mikkelson was never rated number one, although he was number two for 270 weeks. I don't know why that's embedded in my head, but it is. It's like asking Peyton Manning, why aren't you the best quarterback ever? You're like, I play with Tom. I play against Tom. Well, but Phil won three masters. Phil also he was never number one. Phil didn't win a U.S. Open, although again, I think he finished second six times. Probably should have won about three. Yep. Some of that is own undoing. I think. I think Rory to me is just the perfect combination of Tiger and his prime and Phil. He's just a wild card enough to make him fascinating and vulnerable. You know, Scotty Shepter is a bit robotic. He had a shot today toward the end where I thought to myself, oh, here he comes. Here he comes. And that's why I the ball went back off the green roll back. And I thought, oh, that's a rare for him. That's an incredible rare miss. But I don't know. I look at is Rory better than Phil Mikkelson all time? I think I would put him ahead. Yeah, to me, it's close to a coin flip. I mean, Phil truly is one of the great players of all time. I mean, if Tiger doesn't come around, it's kind of like Peyton Manning. I mean, we're probably considering this guy a little differently. And we already consider them very highly. You know, I mean, there's a chance Tiger doesn't come around. Phil has 12 majors, right? Just because there was an intimidation factor for a long time. Phil didn't win his first major till his mid 30s. You know, Rory just had that drought, right? Rory banged off like four early and then he missed 10 years. I think the thing that Rory has going for him is it feels like he's entering the prime of his career. Boy, he's in impeccable shape. In impeccable shape. His mental fortitude and toughness now has been on display these last couple of years. So he's think think about the reps he has. I mean, he's been playing this tournament since 2019 when he was 20 years old. Did you watch the Amazon Prime doc on Rory? No, I just finished the book. Yeah, the book I listened to was ship. No, I didn't quite realize that the doc does a pretty good job. It basically goes over last year's masters. But a lot of look back to when he was a kid. He was, I don't want to say Tiger, you know, on TV at three years old, but he was he was over there. Oh, no question. And this is a guy the reps this guy has and the talent this guy has was pretty well established by like 12 years old. And, you know, there's the kind of pressure, especially over there. Golf is a really big deal. He carries the weight, you know, of a nation of the European golfers. And I think, you know, I think he struggles with the vulnerability. Now he's, you know, they just you and ship. Talked about at the live thing for a couple of years. He's pretty freed up now. You know, his parents are healthy and happy and live by him. He gets to play with his dad all the time. He's got the young daughter that he takes to school. I think there's a chance that now he didn't play that great at times. The last couple of days. I mean, he's branded all over the map. You know what I bet he says in his brother? Listen, how the thing about this, think how many putts he missed on the front nine today. You know, if you were going up against like Greg Maddox or Pedro or Nolan Ryan and they're probably like, you know, I had my C-Sup today. You know, you just went eight and struck out nine because they could have their C-Sup or you know, Tom Brady, I didn't play that one. Well, you led four touchdown drives because they could just find a way to figure it out. It happens with basketball players all the time. To me, Rory, I'd say he had his B minus C plus game over the aggregate of this weekend and still won. I guess he technically won by one shot, but he was up six shots and you know, had a three shot lead on back nine today. Through four, he missed two birdie putts. So it was his putting was a little erratic and his driver. The last two days on Friday shot, I think seven under, he was hitting out of the trees on. He didn't hit a par five fairway, but he made birdie on every hole. And people were talking about it, the cover of the sport of like, he really knows now this course. The one thing that's unique about this course, remember a couple of years ago, Phil finished second, Justin Rose is 45, you know, and finishing top five every single year, it feels like it's the only course of the majors where you come back every year and it's so unique. I truly believe he's got a chance to win this tournament. Like Freddie said, I don't know every year, but like wouldn't shock me if he wins two of the next four. You know, it's it's, you know, there's I'm not really steeped in tradition, although I make an exception for the masters. I mean, Sergio slamming his club, Robert McIntyre's flipping something off. And they didn't like that. No, I that. Well, but last year, the Spanish golfer peed in the creek. He was like, you know, he's a college kid, didn't know the rules. Said he had to go. So and I think, you know, I'm not banning anybody. You get to life. The Sergio's won before. But I do think there's something to be said is, you know, I'm not somebody that, again, is is a traditionalist in sports. I kind of like new stuff, but I feel differently about the masters. Like I like it bothered me that Sergio did that. I wouldn't ban him, but I don't like it. And I just I think this is one of the great events. I mean, John, one of the reasons I supported live, I didn't know what live was going to be, but my takeaway is I watch golf for golfers. I don't watch it for the course or for the brand of PGA, except Augusta. Now, I do like the open at Pebble Beach and the British is great, St. Andrews, but it's different at Augusta. I mean, it's different from the merch, the prices, you know, on men corner. I do feel like you have to sit down with like a Sergio or a McIntyre and have strict warnings. Do you are you kind of in that same space? I've always thought the unique part about golf is the most expensive country club where I live in North Scottsdale. It costs over half a million dollars to join. Roms, a member there, Michael Phelps is they have no rules. You could wear no shoes. You could wear rom plays in a t-shirt all the time. You can wear basketball shorts to the club. And there are other clubs down the street where you if you were caught with a cell phone on the putting green on a phone, they don't care. If you're Jeff Bezos, they're going to ask you to leave. And they have specific rules. You go into Olympic Club. You go into these places in Monterey and in LA and Chicago. You take your hat off inside. Just like if I enter your home and you say, John, we don't wear shoes in this home, I take my shoes off. Your home is no different to golf course. That's the golf course, the membership of that crew. And they have certain rules and people say Augusta's stiffer than most. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. And that's that's their rules. Just if you don't like it, there are super nice courses all over America that are really expensive, but have no rules. And to me, the thing in Augusta is the reverence that every single golfer has for it that would gladly follow the rules. I don't even think they're that hard. Right. Don't you got to wear pants. Right. You can't the being in the creek. To me, that was more funny. But I would have they have very strict rules about cell phones on property. And the you can argue they're a little archaic and I agree. I mean, you and I were talking about last week on TV, like a lot of people run businesses, you get phone calls, you got to, you know, you, I don't know. You got things going on in life. Like it is what it is, but it doesn't feel like any of these are changing. The Masters is the one place where it feels like everyone just embraces it. Yeah. I mean, think about this. When you and I were at live and most PGA events are like this, if you go to a driving range and most guys, when these golfers talk, they say, we had a great week. I owe it to my team. When they see their team, they're not just that's not the caddie. That's their physio. That's their putting coach, their shipping coach, their swing coach, their manager, their agent, these guys all, I mean, they're these guys are 15, 20, minimum million dollar a year of business. Some of them like Rory, probably a hundred million dollars a year of business. And at Augusta, you're allowed one person, non-caddie, to come with you when you're hitting balls. One person. It's not like that at any of these other tournaments, any of the other majors. So they're those are their rules. And you know what? Every single person to a man that I always see these pro golfers, they can't wait for this event. It's why you notice like early on when guys are struggling, you build yourself up so much for it. You know, Bryce, you just implode, you can feel it on his body language. Like I, you got to wait another year to come back here. And like you get these opportunities and they just lose it, especially on Friday. When you see a guy that's going to miss the cut, their body language to me is different than any other tournament because of the gravity and the importance of this event. I actually think this event's popularity feels like it's grown. Maybe it's just the way we consume sports now. I agree. It feels really, I mean, I was just at a family event. I'm back home. We had, I had aunts, uncles. I mean, everyone's watching it, talking Rory, Rory, Rory just blocked in on the course. So I don't know if that's happening non-tiger five or 10 years ago. I mean, even the WN, WNBA, even the WNBA, is on like six networks. I mean, it's everywhere, all the screen. Everything's getting broader and wider. And there's very few things that I know are always going to be there. NFL games at 10 a.m. Pacific and in one p.m. Pacific and the Masters on CBS on Saturday and Sunday. There's very few things that aren't up for grabs. Everything else is, I mean, even second tier leagues, the WNBA is certainly not wildly profitable. Pre-Katelyn Clark, it wasn't. It's on it's got all multiple platforms. It's on everything spread around everywhere. I thought Amazon did a pretty good job on coverage. But overall, it's, you know, I'm just really I find myself. I. I remember. The Masters were special players, one, you know, the Rory's the Tigers last win was really super emotional when he was out of his prime. Phil winning three. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. What a year they have had. Florida Sportsbook springs in the air. That only means one thing. Baseball's back, baby, in full swing. Hard Rock Bet makes it easy to bet on America's pastime. It's just a couple of easy taps. It's not just picking winners. You can bet on home run, strikeouts, whether there's a run scored in the first inning, quick, fast paced action right out of the gate. 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Call 1-800-Gambler, Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. So I one of the things I want to pivot to and I'm not going to. I don't know how much one of the great things about being on a podcast, I can talk about what I want and I don't have time restrictions. But one of the things I've noticed about the Mike Vrable, Diana Roussini story. Is and I haven't discussed it yet. And I think sometimes consumers are like, well, why is it mainstream media discussing it? Well, it's interesting because. In my world, there's moral and then there's ethical, morals, personal. You know, if you lie to me or I lie to you about something or you lie to your wife about something I lied to my kids about something. That's a moral. That's a personal issue. Ethical is about it's on the outside. It's standards. Fox and I heart have standards. The New York Times has ethical standards. I've never had a moral clause. I've had 15 contra I've never had a moral clause. Why have one in the volume? I didn't check the contract. No, you do not. I don't think you have an ethical one at the volume either. And football coaches don't have ethical clauses. Journalists have ethical clauses. Broadcasters have ethical clauses. People tend to think some people think moral ethical is the same. Ethical is is is external. You know, it's a company. It's a code of conduct. Morals, personal football coaches don't. You know, if you're winning in the NFL as a football coach and very able to the team of the Super Bowl who had no business, that had no business being the Super Bowl. If these allegations, all we have is pictures. I have two subjects. I don't have two sources. And the more serious the story is, I need two sources, just pictures. Right. So it's just a moral issue. If the allegations are true with Diana, it's moral and ethical because she has in her contract, there are standards and procedures from the New York Times. I mean, they fired. Jason Blair was a reporter. I remember that 15, 20 years ago, whenever that was. So I think the audience is like, well, why don't you? Why don't you talk about? I don't talk about moral stuff. I've said this for 33 years on the end. I'm not a moralist. What you do in your personal life is when people come up to me, I'm not a Christian. I'm more agnostic. Your morals aren't mine. By the way, my morals aren't yours. But we both live by the same ethical standards if we work in a journalism, you know, the times. And so and I've just never I've made it a practice in my life is I don't talk about the moral stuff. I mean, by the way, TMZ, which which covers a much broader spectrum of stories than I do, they don't do. They will tell you they don't do marriage policing. They stay out of affairs. They just stay. And that's that's TMZ. That's Hollywood because everybody's having them, so they stay out of them. So I guess what I'm trying to tell people is don't confuse moral and ethical. Diana is in a space where it's moral and ethical. Mikes is moral. If and again, these are allegations. That's the other reason I don't talk about it. But I do want to create or provide clarity on that when you say, well, why doesn't the mainstream? I don't think mainstream broadcasters, writers talk about moral stuff. If it becomes ethical, if a reporter gets fired for this, then you that means the New York Times discovered ethical breaches. Therefore, the mainstream media comes in to discuss they have evidence, therefore, of an ethical lapse. So I'm supporting the mainstream media. That's one thing if you're a podcaster with, you know, a small following blogger, you know, your latitude on this stuff, you talk about what you want, when you want, but for the main for the major media players, mostly we wait for an ethical breach, which is confirmed by an employer to discuss. Well, I would say by this point, every single person agrees. The pictures that we saw once you figure out the resort, I've never, I've lived in Arizona now five years, never been to Sedona. It is a place that resort, honeymoon, baby moons, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a couple's. It looks bad. You're holding hands. I everyone assumes, especially if you show that to your wife, I show that to my wife. My wife wouldn't have been able to point Diane or seen you out of a lineup. If I say, hey, this is the Patriot coach and I show her the pictures. So they're probably sleeping together on a date or whatever. Yeah, we all agree there. One thing I get a lot and I get a lot of DMs of like, you know, and you see this on the internet, I got one today like, well, he's not being covered like Sharon Moore. Well, Sharon Moore was having sex with an employee that worked for him. This they don't work together. But you just see all these different takes of why aren't this right. Mike Vrabel's job. Robert Kraft went into a massage parlor the day of the AFC championship game in Palm Beach and had to fly to Kansas City and got caught. Yeah, the Patriot look at Belichick's off the field. And they do not care. His job is to win games. If he didn't need to be fired, if he does, he keeps his job. Her job, like you said, is more, you know, tied around to getting these sources. And if you're sleeping with a source, I'm not a journalist. I don't know the rules, but clearly the New York Times feels like she's going to get fired now, right? OK, well, and also the Boston Celtics fired a coach because of lapses, moral slash ethical with somebody, a partner in the building. So that's that's that's that's that's that's like the Michigan situation that that that's what got the Celtics coach fired. The it's not if you come into it with a clear mind and without an agenda because even my wife asked, why does he get a pass and why doesn't she? And I said, well, there are standards and practices, ethically, that you in your contract as a journalist, football coaches, you win. There's there's no it's a moral issue and there's no moral clause in contracts. Well, I know the other thing I always say this about relationships in the older I've gotten, you know, I've had friends get divorced. I see friends in relationships. I my marriage, like most people, we have unwritten rules like baseball. You kind of know what's allowed, you know, what's not allowed. But I've been in your you've been around longer than me and seen different relationships. There are a lot of people in relationships that would not fly in my home. I never assume other people are in whatever their marriage is. What's not allowed and allowed to do. You never know. And I and I I don't care and I don't want to know and it's none of my business. And I just I'm not into that stuff. Like I just I've always been one of those guys. There's I don't talk about media much. Some hosts and podcasters do. I don't I think that some people specialize in it. I don't. I also don't talk about moral obligations. I don't talk about that either. I think there is, you know, I and if people want to do it, go for it. But I I'm just I got pictures. I don't have sourcing on this. Why I think why? And I don't know. I was at a family event trying to watch the Masters. I did see something come across like pop up on my phone. Mike Vrable, because every coach or GM, a lot of teams have the coach in GM. The NFL is great about this, right? They make a speak at the combine. They make a speak at the owners meetings. Then your mandatory to speak again before the draft and then during the draft and after the draft, keep that cycle going. He is not going to speak. I think they're going to put Elliott Wolfe. Typically, I would imagine Mike and Elliott would both speak before the draft. Clearly, they're not putting him out there in this situation because no one would ask them what they're going to do with the thirty first pick in the draft. He would just get inundated. And Elliott Wolfe is going to get asked about this question. Right. Yeah. It's going to be a story. It's not going to go away, especially if, you know, by all accounts, she's been sidelined. And listen, I said this on my podcast because I like this stuff probably more than you do, but also like, listen, she's always been cool to me. I like her like, I don't know. It's not like I listen. I don't know of Rable, but it's all I think we all agree what we're seeing, what's going down probably. But like you said, like what they're not what's the outcome of this? OK, they're cheating on their husbands and wives. OK, what what what what what you want to do, right? Yeah, yeah. But in she's breaking stories that what that he's going to cut some guy. That story comes out anyway. Either the trust has been on this forever. These newsbreakers, this news exists no matter whether they exist or not. Right. If I trade tomorrow, Patrick Mahomes and I break the story or nobody breaks the story in the Kansas City Post, we just trade. The events happening no matter what. So a lot of stuff that these insiders now get, you know, do beside the news is, well, they're weighing these off to be then it becomes newsworthy. But it's not actually it's just kind of getting leaked to see. Yeah, I always think that's kind of stupid. You know, when teams use the media to do stuff and put stuff out there. And we talked about this with the Jets with David Bailey. It's like you're either going to get it right or wrong. And that's where you're going to be judged on playing the media game. You know, who doesn't do that? Sean McVay, Andy Reed, Kyle Shanahan. They don't waste time on that. So I think we make a big deal of it. But I just think her role, like I get where women are like, what the hell? You make if I'm doing it the right way. She is doing this would be pissed off. Right. But this notion that Mike Vrabel, Mike Vrabel's job is look at the guy. He is I guess he technically didn't replace Belichick, but he kind of did. Yeah. Moral ethically, Belichick, no standards. His job was to win and win big. And that's all that matters in the end. That's what they're employed to do. And people could say, well, what about Spygate? That's an ethical lapse. There are standards and procedures that you can't take. Deflategate, ethical, not moral. Moral is personal. Ethical is. Bounty gate with Sean Payton. Ethical, right? That's ethical. So in, well, they're the same. They're not the same. I stay out of I'm not. I don't do moral morality polices. It's and you can criticize me for that. And I I have two things on the top of my head right now that I know morally about high profile people. They're not elected officials. No, I just consider it none of my business. And I just I'm not going to talk about it. I'll go to my grade with it. I don't care. I'm not real nosy that way. I don't care. So there you go. All right. So the NFL draft were about 10, 11 days out. Pretty crazy. It came up fast. It did. The big question in the draft is what do the jets do with number two? I think they're far more interesting things because it doesn't matter who the jets are going to draft. They're going to be awful. I'm fascinated to see if the Raiders trade up to get Omar Cooper at the top of the second, or does he fall to them? Because if I was the Raiders and I could get Omar Cooper, the Hoosier wide receiver, the favorite target of Fernando Mendoza, that would be my pick. Quarterback wide receiver. That would be my pick. Quarterback wide receiver. Very this is this is what like a McVay does or, you know, I mean, when Shanahan gets Brock Purdy, they do everything they can to add more offensive elements. I think they overdraft wide receivers, but they're doing it for a point. Let's let's help. Let's help our young quarterback, Ben Johnson. Let's get Drew Dalman. Let's get Jonah Jackson. Let's get Joe Tooney. Let's draft Luther Burton. That's the way to do it. And so I think John Spitek, the GM and Clint Kubiak. My take is they're going to go get a tackle. They need a right tackle. They drafted a kid a couple of years ago, third round. He can play in or out. He's OK. I my take is I would just go quarterback, receiver, tackle. Then if you have defensive needs, go for it. Just make sure you get the quarterback right. That's fascinating. I think I think what the Dolphins have with four third round picks, do they move up in the first round, give up a third round pick? Because a lot of teams want to move down, John. I could see the Dolphins saying, hey, man, we got, you know, if Jeremiah loves available at the sixth pick and they're like, well, OK, we don't need to running back. Let's say, let's say, you know, they have a defensive coach, Jeff Haffley, and they're worried about Caleb Downs. I can see them saying it like number nine. We're going to get the best safety in the draft move. I don't know if you move up for a safety. Is there a team in particular that you that really interest you on draft day? I think the chiefs, because all these teams with two first round picks are bad teams, right? The Browns are not going to win any games next year. The Jets are going to be bad. The Dolphins are literally trying to reset this thing. And ideally, like they would sign up right now to be the number one pick next year, even though they might like this quarterback is being Malik Willis. I think the chiefs could do a lot of different things. I think if they love sunny styles, they could trade on or, you know, pick a player that they like is not going to be here at nine, but we could move up the Giants. Hey, you need a lot, John. You want to keep, you know, build around your own guys. You want to go from five to nine. We'll throw in a second round pick. We got two first, right? Or whatever it would cost. And they are a team that if they come out of the first round, like there's a decent chance to me, they could stick at nine, trade up from twenty nine. Because like you said, a lot of teams want to go back, but not a lot of teams want to come up. But how many teams like the chiefs are kind of truly every year kind of put all their chips in the middle of the table right now, because Coach Reed's getting older. Like to me, you get from twenty nine into the teams. Because all these teams would love to come down. You know, this draft is pretty polarizing in the sense that it's not viewed as great. Right. There are a lot of players like running back. The best wide receiver. It's not exactly Jamar Chase. No, it's like like running back a tight end. It's weak. It's a weak draft. Someone told me it's the worst. They've been in the league almost 18, 20 years. The worst running back glass they've ever seen. Yeah, by far. And they say centers and guards now are very hit or miss. Because all these guys are transferring that centers and guards when I was gotten football, even I remember in high school, recruiting, you could find those guys develop them in the NFL. You'd be like, well, just wait till the fourth, fifth, sixth round. We'll draft a guard in the center. And one of those two guys will eventually become a pro bowler. Now you're terrified to get to the third day. You're like, there's not even a guy on our board that we think is draft worthy. So I think the thing has the NIL has reshaped college football. I think for the better, it's made it more interesting. It's really impacted the depth of draft, you know, because top end guys, if I'm on the fence, right, it's like, I could be a first rounder. Well, sometimes those guys, as the combine happens, as the draft pro day and pre draft workouts, that guy goes from pick 32 to 15. Right. He kind of rises. Well, that guy stayed at Ohio State. That guy stayed at Oregon for a lot of money. Dante Moore, 10 years ago, it's like, you quit. You can't pass being the second overall pick. You might get injured. Now it's like, well, just go back to school for five, six million dollars. I've made five, six million dollars the last couple of years. I'm having a blast. Like, I don't need to come out. So there's been this huge trick, you know, kind of domino effect from the first round to me through the third day. And I think all these teams are still kind of, there's a feeling out process of how do we handle big picture next year? Like, are some of the top players getting pushed back next year? But can you ever rely on that? Because our guy's going to keep going back to school. I think teams are still, there's like these last couple of years that they're really feeling out the NIL landscape. The good part for them is I know how the guy handles money. Because if you tell me, right, yeah, this guy was just making, you know, the last two years he made about two million dollars total. Didn't miss a workout. First guy there treats everyone exactly the same as when we met him in high school. You're like, that's a high character. You feel good about it. Or the number one question I remember when I got in the NFL and up through like the last four or five years, like, how will this guy handle money? Because it's one thing to get a bag with 10 K cash in it. It's another thing to get direct deposits every two weeks at enormous numbers when you're just like the starting right tackle, you know, like, yeah, I make 900 grand. You know, the money these football players, I mean, the roster, I think some fans, you're telling me this roster is 40 million dollars. Like, yeah, this roster is 40 million. This is Ohio State. They are paying 22 stars. They say some of these backups because they're five stars. Germain Smith, the wide receiver next year at Ohio State. I saw a story over the weekend. Is he going to get 10 million dollars? Now, I Ohio State's got so much depth at that position, I'd never pay a wide receiver over like three. Like I thought three was the number, the big number that a couple top receivers could get. But, um, yeah, an Ohio State recruits that position so well. I doubt they'd pay that. But, but even like this, this draft is a good example. The top tackles all played right tackle in college. Interviewers like solid players and they'd be starters. Historically, I think those guys grow in the 20s. But in this draft, it's like, I think Bane, well, I mean, it's probably on tape is the best pass rusher, but he's six one with short arms. Right. Just on tape. Like he was the most dominant guy. I know, John, I think I've talked about this, I think before another podcast. I don't think there's as much football talent in America. I think the quality of college football, because the teams are older is better. But the depth in terms of talent, I mean, we were talking about this during the CTE discussions. A lot of moms didn't want their sons to play football. I mean, I have a friend in LA, big football fan, his son played quarterback in, you know, West of the 405, as they say in LA. And like he said, everybody in my community is like, you like your kids play football. You know, you go, you go to some of these blue states and blue cities, like we don't let our kids play football. And I was like, really? And he's like, oh, yeah, he's like, you know, it's just you, you, you there. It's harder. Fewer kids are trying out for it. And it'll always be big in the South and Texas and parts of the country. But I do think I've noticed it this year is a great example. I talked about this four or five years ago. I noticed it in Southern California, the whole state of California. If you looked at high school football recruiting, the state of California would have like there's 38 million people. It would have two elite running backs, two, like four star guys. Sometimes you wouldn't have and there'd be a few other good backs, but like. I mean, wide receiver, you'd have 17 guys that were five or four star guy running back, you'd have like one, maybe two. Like in the state of California, if you went on three or rivals, you know, the recruiting sites and I was noticing this and the kids, they know where the money's at. Is it quarterback? It's at Starwide receiver? It's at Pass, Russia. It's at Great Corner. It's it's it's not at running back. So young people have always determined like trends and whether it's, you know, the revival of Puma, you know, you know, the shoe brand. And so kids like, you know, they're not dopes. They don't want to play running back. So I think it's a and increasingly in the NFL, you it's hard to get that second contract if you're running back. So it's a, you know, football is getting more three out and four out. And that's just the reality of the sport. Well, that's why I think, you know, in this draft, one guy that. Is just, you know, historically linebackers, middle linebackers were not viewed as left tackles, pass rushers, obviously, quarterbacks or even wide receivers. If you told me I could get Fred Warner on my feet or Brian Erlacher or Justin Jefferson, I think Justin Jefferson, you know, if your quarterback gets hurt, it's hard for him to get five touches a game. We saw it with JJ McCarthy. And even if he is humming, he's touching the ball 10 times a game, 11 times a game. You get a top linebacker in this league that's spread out its sideline to sideline and they cover the tight ends and the running backs. All the running backs now can catch and look how good most teams tight ends are. So the value of a middle linebacker is not just stuffing the A gap, making a tackle now. It's playing sideline to sideline and getting 15 plus tackles and covering sometimes the best weapon on the other team all the time in the bat. Like to me, if Sunny Styles hits, his impact is immense at, you know, stand up linebacker and the versatility that brings. And I think sometimes we don't value that position. And I think it's stupid in this day and age where everyone's running Kyle Shanahan's offense. Well, what's Kyle Shanahan's offense? You tell the running back to just run at the right or left tackle and then just pick a lane. Well, who's the guy figuring out how to tackle the middle linebacker? You know, he's the guy making all the tackles in the Shanahan against the Shanahan running scheme that literally it feels like 80% of the team run now. So I think Sunny Styles is a guy that six by four, four. He's only been playing the position now for a couple of years. He was just taught by an NFL coordinator. I think his impact could be just immense by whoever gets him and go down as like, damn, how did that guy fall to seven? You know, if he's the he could be the best player in the draft. All right, John. That's an easy one tonight. Easy lift. Forty minutes. Easy lift. We're going to give postmasters. We're going to give our crew an easy edit and have a great Sunday. I'm going to go watch some of the postmasters coverage and thanks, everybody. We'll talk soon. Shoot your shot. Get paid double only on Hard Rock Bet. Hard Rock Bet is Florida's only legal way to bet the NBA. Teams, players, points and more. He's your T scores. 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