Mike Vrabel and Dianna Russini Allegations // Will Mike Vrabel Take a Hit from This? // Caller Reaction - 4/8 (Hour 2)
47 min
•Apr 8, 20269 days agoSummary
Felger & Massarotti discuss breaking news of New England Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel and Athletic NFL reporter Diana Russini being photographed together at a luxury resort in Sedona, Arizona. Both deny romantic involvement, claiming they were vacationing with separate groups of friends. The hosts analyze the credibility of their statements, examine the implications for Vrabel's reputation and the Patriots organization, and discuss broader issues of journalist-source relationships in NFL media.
Insights
- Professional photographer equipment was used to capture the photos, suggesting deliberate surveillance rather than paparazzi chance encounter, raising questions about who orchestrated the story
- Vrabel and Russini's denials lack credibility due to specific incriminating details (hand-holding, hot tub, rooftop dancing) that cannot be easily explained away by group vacation claims
- The incident reflects broader NFL media ecosystem issues where journalist-source relationships create bias in reporting and undermine editorial independence
- Vrabel's public positioning around family values and organizational culture makes this scandal more damaging than it would be for coaches without such messaging
- Female journalists face disproportionate scrutiny and reputational damage compared to male reporters engaging in similar source-building practices
Trends
Increasing scrutiny of NFL reporter-source relationships and potential conflicts of interest in player/coach coverageUse of professional surveillance and paparazzi tactics to expose high-profile infidelity in sports industryDouble standards in media ethics enforcement between male and female journalistsSocial media-driven accountability for public figures' personal conduct regardless of professional performanceTension between traditional journalism ethics and modern source cultivation practices in sports mediaDivorce/infidelity as leverage point in high-stakes professional negotiations and blackmail scenariosReputational risk for organizations that emphasize family values while employing individuals engaged in extramarital conduct
Topics
Mike Vrabel infidelity allegationsDiana Russini journalist ethicsNFL reporter-source conflicts of interestSports media bias and favoritismProfessional surveillance and paparazzi photographyJournalist credibility and independenceOrganizational reputation managementExtramarital affairs in professional sportsGender double standards in mediaNew England Patriots organizational cultureNFL ownership and competition committeeSource protection and journalistic integritySocial media accountabilityDivorce proceedings and infidelity evidence
Companies
New York Post
Published exclusive photos and broke the story of Vrabel and Russini at the Sedona resort
The Athletic
Employer of Diana Russini; issued statement defending her as premier NFL journalist
Page Six
Obtained and published exclusive photos with detailed reporting on the incident
New England Patriots
Vrabel's employer; organization's family-values messaging undermined by the scandal
Shake Shack
Kevin Goldschmidt, Russini's husband, is an executive at the company
Arizona State University
Location where Vrabel attended scouting event in Tempe before traveling to Sedona
NBC Sports Boston
Employer of Felger & Massarotti; Robbie Buckets is producer who alerted them to the story
People
Mike Vrabel
Subject of infidelity allegations; photographed with Russini at Sedona resort; denies romantic involvement
Diana Russini
Photographed with Vrabel; claims photos lack context; defended by employer as premier journalist
Kevin Goldschmidt
Russini's husband; father of her two children; potentially affected by infidelity allegations
Jared Stillman
Previously hinted at Vrabel-Russini relationship; took victory lap after photos surfaced
Steven Ginsburg
Issued statement defending Russini and characterizing photos as misleading and lacking context
Felger
Co-host analyzing the Vrabel-Russini scandal and its implications for Patriots and NFL media
Massarotti
Co-host discussing journalist ethics, source relationships, and organizational reputation damage
Robbie Buckets
Alerted Massarotti to the Page Six story about Vrabel and Russini
Ian Rapaport
Referenced as example of reporter with potential conflicts of interest in NFL coverage
Adam Schefter
Referenced as example of reporter potentially biased toward NFL owners
Jay Glazer
Referenced as example of reporter known for close relationships with players and teams
Mike Florio
Referenced in discussion of media conflicts of interest; had dispute with Adam Schefter
Bill Belichick
Compared to Vrabel; noted he never claimed to be squeaky clean, unlike Vrabel's family-values messaging
Jennifer Vrabel
Vrabel's wife; married 26 years; potentially affected by infidelity allegations
Quotes
"these photos show a completely innocent interaction and any suggestion otherwise is laughable this doesn't deserve any further response"
Mike Vrabel•Statement to Page Six
"the photos don't represent the group of six people who were hanging out during the day like most journalists in the nfl reporters interact with sources away from stadiums and other venues"
Diana Russini•Statement to Page Six
"you don't drive four hours round trip to hang out with your crew"
Massarotti•Mid-episode analysis
"holding hands that's a relationship move that's that's an intimate move how how on earth could either of them say like oh well"
Felger•Photo analysis
"if you're gonna lie then you just sort of made your own bed"
Massarotti•Ethics discussion
Full Transcript
is Breaking news the New York Post spots Patriots coach Mike Vrabel and the athletics NFL insider Diana Rossini getting cozy together in Arizona today the New York Post posted photos of the Patriots head coach along with the athletics NFL insider getting cozy at a boutique resort together in Arizona now Vrabel and Rossini both told the New York Post that while it may look like something they actually were both their vacationing with their own set of friends that they had other friends who just weren't in the picture sure as you might expect Jared Stillman went in pretty strong with it a little too strong for my taste so you can go watch it on your own on YouTube or wherever you've where we pulled that from it was very entertaining when this story broke last night he was the first person I thought of because we've talked to him a lot he's hinted at this you know over the years to us especially like be sure you follow Diana Rossini if Diana Rossini has it trust me she has it if she has anything on the Patriots you know okay so he's given us that over the years well definitely look and I don't think it even took him to say it I think that there were it's clear that there was some sort of you know I say open chain or line of communication between those two for a long time just based on her reporting yeah definitely and the way he responds to her I think I mean I'm just going by stuff that's been out on the web in the past I you know you know put it this way there's been enough there to speculate is what I would say so like most of us I'm there in front of all my tv and screens last night Bruin Celtics so Red Sox bro you know I'm watching all of it and then I get a note from Robbie Buckets our producer at NBC Sports Boston go check out the post page six and what's the first thing I think mass oh that we said something what did I say yeah well I could and not that I'm like but they've picked up stuff before I mean superstar anything but they are like they're just really prolific aggregators and even if we say something a little out of turn they pick it up the next you know there's a headline so the first thing I think of is what did I say how did I say what no I don't want to even look and then I look I'm like oh oh Vince Rabel and Racini cool all right awesome much better headline New England Patriots Mike Vrable and top NY Times NFL reporter Diana Racini hold hands and hug at luxury hotel by Oli Coleman exclusive photos obtained by page six appear to show Vrable and the New York Times top NFL reporter holding hands and hugging at a luxurious hotel Vrable and Racini were spotted two weekends ago at the ambiente ambiente yeah ambiente which stands for which it means what mass amb ambiente I guess they're just trying to fancy up the word ambience yeah ambiente in Sedona Arizona a boutique resort set against the breathtaking Brins Mesa mountain range Murray you visited the website of this hotel how would you categorize this particular establishment this is a douan hotel you go to this ambiente if this is how you say it website they quite literally keep track on the bottom of the website how many birthdays they've hosted how many anniversaries how many proposals how many baby moons and how many honeymoons when you're keeping track like that the only thing that's missing from that list would be trists or cheating like this is a this is a straight up douan hotel we've all been to them with our significant others the standard in new york is a douan hotel I went there with my wife a few years ago that's a douan hotel one look at this website this is a douan hotel a page six spy tells us that the pair both married to other people had breakfast on the patio of the hotel restaurant around 10 30 a.m. on saturday march 20th before spending a leisurely hour or so together at the pool and lounging side by side in a hot tub man's you hot tub with all of your working sources correct john henry and I do it all the time where are these extra bubbles coming from usually yeah usually after burrito our spy spotted rabel and russini again that evening on the private rooftop of one of the hotel's bungalows which features glass walls offering panoramic views of the state's famed red rock formations roofs are only accessible from the two person bungalows which costs up to 2100 a night murray your thoughts again this is these are these are douan rooms is what it is and I think the most incriminating of these photos you can't explain away any of these I mean if you want to be in a hot tub you need to have other friends or another at least another dude in the picture with you same with the pool lying by the pool to me the one that I went oh boy is the holding hands one I think you could pull 100 women and 100 women would come back and say that that's the one that's the worst because holding hands that's a relationship move that's that's an intimate move how how on earth could either of them say like oh well and what you're teaching each other to dance or tango or that's the one you're buried there's no talking yourselves out of that one the holding hands one that's the one photo is like oh boy oh yeah good luck to the both of you I'm with Murray on that one do you hold hands with your female friends on the roof of a bungalow I can't remember the last time I did no me neither photos show the two hugging at sunset and weaving their fingers together as they stand face to face the spy said they saw the pair briefly dance together both Rossini and rabel insist that they were with friends and say they simply weren't visible in the pictures uh-huh a source closer Rossini says she was staying at the hotel during a hiking trip with two female pals one of rabels friends told page six that they and the coach drove up to Sedona for the day with another pal and that they all drove back to their own hotel some two hours away after hanging out with Rossini and her gang yeah this is one that reeks of high hell to me so the owners meetings are in Phoenix the Sedona place is two hours away correct I've been there yeah to Sedona not to the ambiente do you want to paint do two hours that is a pain in the ass drive do you know what you do a two hour drive for to go get done wait a minute Murray you don't drive four hours round trip to hang out with your buddies girls not but hang out with your some friends of a girl you know because nothing gets my nothing makes me more interested then hanging out then hanging out with my girlfriends friends my girlfriends friends yeah yeah rabel just wanted to chum around with Rossini's hiking pals so he drove four hours round trip no shot to hang out with the gals at the pool and a what place a rummy cube like what are we talking to hang out with her pals I'm gonna drive two hours there two hours back to hang out with your crew if there's anything that would get me on the Artemis mission to the moon is come hang out with my crew please oh god please it's a complete load of crap and the other thing is the way it's worded hang out with your crew said it said she was in that area with her friends hiking is that what it said yes yeah okay and then they went home two days ago and she's staying waited for rabel like even if it's true it's a half truth wait a minute he's gonna drive four hours rang round trip to hang out with her crew no to see her I mean give me a break with that one you do that fellas oh my god you drive out four hours to hang out with your wife's crew or any any crew that aren't like uh Hawaiian tropic models like that I get if there was a pot of gold waiting for me I don't think I want to drive two hours for anything hang out with a bunch of girls I go for the pot of gold I take that back I got one I would do your crew I have to hang out with your crew car car car car car car car car oh my god Jesus shoot a nightmare shoot me to the moon I'm not driving four hours to hang out with your crew right be like hanging with the magpies car car let's drink may like let's drink may like how long you been a coach do you those things you could play oh my god there's like there's my that's like my personal hell come hang out with my crew no I'm with you no but now drive four hours and hang out with my crew okay Mike yeah you drove four hours round trip into the effing desert to hang out with the crew the coach the coach told page six on Tuesday quote those photos uh these photos show a completely innocent interaction and any suggestion otherwise is laughable this doesn't deserve any further response and quote everything you saw was a lie and Racini told us quote the photos don't represent the group of six people who are hanging out during the day like most journalists in the nfl reporters interact with sources away from stadiums and other venues that's a great line no no yeah that's right so what's the bigger pile of horse manure that rabble drove four hours round trip to hang out with her crew or Racini want you to believe that this is standard interactions between journalists and the subjects that they cover poolside hot tubbing the roof of the two person bungalow dancing at sunset that so yeah there's I mean we all have seen the famous photo of Bert Breer and Sean McVeig with their fingers and hands locked about to dance I was just gonna say rabble and bada and in Vegas like that's really that what that's what she's trying to pawn off that and then the group of six wasn't visible so five other people just decided to go downstairs at that same time that those photos were all taken that's a crock like most journalists in the nfl reporters interact with sources away from stadiums and other venues yes yes yes they have coffee or a steak lunch right right the rooftop of the two person bungalow at sunset holding hands and the hot tub are you serious with that crap handy reading shifter one two I wouldn't sit in a hot tub with you I want to drive four hours I can't drive fours to hang out with your crew that to me is the one that I still I just cannot get over that one I want to hang out with your crew if they're in the next room please can I get out of here now I'm gonna drive four hours round trip to hang out with the crew this one was good too like I couldn't believe this one Steven Ginsburg the executive director of the athletic was quoted these photos are misleading and lack essential context these were public interactions in front of many people Diana is a premier journalist covering the nfl and we're proud to have her at the athletic I thought that was good that they meaning she has you know this guy backing her publicly already like that's good news for her however and I I I sort of those quotes were lower in the story I brought them up because so I want to make sure we got to them however three other eyewitnesses told us meaning the post that they did not see anyone else with Vrabel and Racini asked if the Pats coach visited the hotel with a group of friends one eyewitness said no he was with a girl and our sequence of photographs taken at various points during the day show only Vrabel and Racini uh Vrabel attended a scouting event at Arizona State University in Temple in Tempe on Friday the 27th is that when he was yeah the hard video yeah so he does the hard-o video and then does some more hands-on work with the reporters there's an easy joke there but I mean he likes to get his hands on the prospects mask he's a very hands-eye he's a handsy coach he likes to work out and get a feel he wants to get a feel for those who are going to be on his team maybe those covering his team right you gotta get your hands dirty hands on you got it as Reese told us it's how you determine their core strength correct and you get you get your hands on the prospects yep so he went right from the one with um can't remember the handature whatever yeah I can't pronounce it either that guy before traveling 125 miles to ambiente and I will add here parenthetically to hang out with her crew yeah a couple of mimosas I love hanging with your friends all day at the pool I can't wait please bring in more addition with the girls at the pool the adults only ambiente prides itself on being a romantic getaway or Murray as you said a doing hotel boasting on its website about 158 proposals that took place and the thousands of anniversaries and honeymoon that have been celebrated at the hotel after being seen with russini rabel headed to the biltmore hotel in phoenix for a meeting of the nfl competition committee and the nfo owners meetings so it was all within this you know so he made a little junket of it got his hands on some prospects got his hands on some prospects went down to the owners meetings etc etc so russini is married to shake shack executive kevin goldschmidt this poor guy they have two children never mind uh rabel has also been married to i think it's jen uh since i think they met at Ohio state yes yeah things got two kids etc etc these poor people then i say that all seriousness uh so that's the story what does it mean we'll pick it up on the other side with your calls right after this mike rabel and diana russini are sharing their side of the story hours after photos surfaced of the new england patriots head coach and the athletics nfl reporter visiting an arizona hotel together the pair spoke out against claims that their encounter was romantic and the photos obtained by page six mike and diana shared a hug and appeared to dance with their fingers interlocked while on a roof at the hotel other pictures show the pair lounging in their swimsuits by the pool and sitting in the hot tub together mike who celebrated his 26th anniversary with his wife jen verable last year said in an april 7th statement to page six quote these photos show a completely innocent interaction and any suggestion otherwise is laughable this doesn't deserve any further response for her part diana who's mom to two kids with shake shack executive kevin goldschmidt noted that the pictures did not include everyone that she and the nfl coach were on vacation with she told the outlet quote the photos don't represent the group of six people who were hanging out during the day like most journalists in the nfl reporters interact with sources away from stadiums and other venues he news has reached out to reps for mike and diana for comment and has not yet heard back it's where you've landed here patrots fans uh your thoughts dave in connecticut go dave good afternoon guys thanks for taking my call um listening to you talking about uh verable makes me go back in time um weight bugs and margo adam you know what not bad tears oh yeah good one we've done that i think what yeah you know there was some far of it yeah what do we call it what was it i don't remember but we can come on let's do it again no sure i'm all care i don't remember it yeah drifts something along side pieces like come on no like consignor madonna sex handles arata madonna what do we do no we didn't yes we know we didn't no we're gonna do them anyway but we'll do them again we did them it doesn't mean we can't do them again we definitely did how do we call what do we call it i don't know let me look it up sport celebrity side piece do it do those do and do us i don't know video let us do the graphic we're gonna come up with that but that's gotta be tears doing do us alan in hall go ahead alan what do you think if all of a sudden he starts a press conference says instead of caron okay diana you start first i mean it's just hard not to look at their interactions are her reporting of course august 28th 2025 mas's tears most notable athletes celebrity relationships okay that sounds we can reword that's too clean yeah that's we had brazi brady giselle no no no do and do oh do and do oh side pieces yeah so like a scandal like brady and now what's her name url alex url sure better okay bella check jordan yeah rabel russini yeah yeah good bogs margo adams yeah okay i mean yeah we're in heads tomorrow naz's tears uh bob and need him go ahead bob tiger woods and thank you you guys uh try to say your resume's the tmc to replace abby lever would i don't care about what he doesn't have off uh it is off ours he's he says you know he's a man he's what it is oh okay so wait bob so then every it's okay for every guy to cheat on his wife no it isn't but it happens so i don't know the circumstances of his relationship he might be separated already who knows so you don't care because he's the coach of the patriots and you like the no no it's not a great thing that he's doing if he is if his wife has no idea about it that's one thing but i mean i but i wouldn't spend a half an hour on the talk so talking about it i know it's a great topic we're not going to spend a half hour aren't we're spending like an hour and a half on it yeah 90 minutes so half hour please we're just getting started i just had that that one i is going to make me go into orbit yeah i don't care if okay well then don't call if it were uh shan pain all people be having a field day with it who was canoodling with diana russini in the hot tub in sedona do you think we'd be allowed to talk about it yes okay something tells me your appetite for it would be pretty high correct okay so yeah didn't he have the thing in west virginia to payton with the pills and some trawler too i remember that huh come on uh so that's kids table stuff of course you care uh but the second thing if he was separated why didn't you just put that in the statement like why why would he and russini have such strong denials you know what i mean yeah no right now i mean if if he had an open relationship or it was cool with his wife okay so the open relationship thing gets a gets a little grayer because some people really look down on that and there is a judgment that will be made i see i'm not telling you i do i'm just saying a lot of people don't understand it so like i could see them wanting to hide that to me the thing that i i just that i do judge is lying i just if you have an open relationship or you make mistakes or whatever i mean that this is all we're all human i just the one thing i just don't countenance is the line so if you're gonna lie then you just sort of made your own bed correct and so like that's to me i mean that's where i am on it i mean why we judge because we judge everything and you'd be happy to judge the jets coach so please keep it real the thing the wife how does the wife feel if if if you clicked on page six and found Natalie that that was Natalie or that was my wife or whatever would that be kosher at all no there's only one way it would be kosher one way if there's other people around no no no if it's an open relationship and they knew about it well that but let me give you another one let me give you a scenario i'm saying you can talk those you can excuse those photos if there's a group of people around you you're like about to dance or something like that uh not for me the only way would be kosher is if they told me beforehand listen if Diana Rossini said this to her husband listen Dave this variable he's been trying to get my pants for like six years and he tells me stuff he's good for business so i'm gonna meet him at this hotel and it's just part of the job and don't read anything and do it but this is where i'm going and this is what i'm doing and it's part of it and he says cool yeah do what you gotta do work it any way you gotta work it Diana and it's all above board okay anything short of that if i'm this poor along along with getting into your bikini and getting in the hot tub yeah i don't was it a one piece or was it bikini well i don't know i well this is important to me i said was it a bikini or was it a one piece i think it was a one piece yeah you can't really tell you don't have to look at it i'm just telling you that that i didn't look if you're comfortable with that like who am i to judge right well so then but i would tell you that most married couples would be like uh uh no yeah well so i'm just telling you like that's the only way it might be okay this is i'm going and i'm meeting them and it's gonna be at the pool and i'm working a story and he's helping me out and yep like so if you know like but if you click on that as the spouse without without knowing without knowing beforehand oh no you're instantly oh yeah that's a given see you out that's a given life's too short yeah now it's clandestine now it's deceitful for me to wait around with this so uh yeah and which is why if this was above board i i don't think they would have been protesting like they protested yeah i don't you know look obviously they didn't think they were going to get photographed so to me if they did why not just meet in a really public place joes and waymouth hi joe hey guys just got a quick question when you were both beat reporters if you ran into a situation like this would teams reach out to you and say whether on the record or off hey you can ask about this you can't ask about that or did you just kind of rely on your own like i don't know instinct about how far you can go and ask people about this i'd say all the above but why like like what do you mean specific i don't understand what you're asking exactly like for example a cc team is reaching out to any patched beat reporter in state don't you dare ask about this in any sort of press conference yeah oh yeah yeah yeah what's this you just kind of leave it alone yeah i mean you don't have to you don't have to follow along no you're right you're they they can ask you don't have to do it and i also think that often unless you're a seldox writer then you just do whatever the team tells you to do and oftentimes if they're for wash if they're really smart they issue a statement ahead of time and they say we know you're asking here's our response uh you know we're not going to address it beyond this and then you can still ask it in a press conference i mean this is probably a bigger media story as it relates to russini than it is a patriot story as it relates to rabel yeah in a lot of ways yes but i would also say given the popularity and the job rabel did this year and the perception of him in the public eye it's a story yeah he takes a hit i mean bellichick never claimed to be like a nice guy squeaky clean guy rabel since he's come in here again is preach family and this whole thing well he takes a hit from this i said this just to set up i don't know what to call her if he was driving at this like they're both gonna have to address it like you can't like russini before she goes back to work even i think i don't think she can write another thing on the nfl regardless of the support of her boss there she's gonna have to uh address it and i don't know if rabel will exactly but at some point he's gonna have to be asked about it i mean so like when i say this is a bigger media story a big undercurrent in the nfl and nfl reporting is relationships of these big information guys and girls and who cover the league i mean we talk about it all the time dan or lofsky has a mvp vote he's super tight with matt stafford so he gets certain he gets the vote from at stafford and we hear certain commentary from or lofsky because he's really tight with matthew stafford or or lofsky's agent represents um the kid from alabama versus the kid from indiana and all of a sudden or lofsky is telling me that the kid in alabama is better than the kid in indiana i'm from mendos and bring all the names now but you know what i mean like we talk about this all the time uh ian rapaport i think is kind of in the bag of the owners adam schepter i think he's the florio just called him out for uh just doing drew rosin house's bidding jay glazer is known as a guy that really glad hands these players and parties with them and blah blah blah blah like all these we have all these storylines with these guys well what the hell is this they're playing footsie in the hot tub with one of the guys that you cover in a league it's a horrible look for her and i must imagine female journalists are pissed about it oh definitely definitely the ones who try to observe a line or keep some sort of distance between you know how they do their jobs and what they report and you know and the people they cover absolutely go into orbit about this i'm sure you've had discussions with women about it in the business it's they look at it as a major transgression that takes down all of this is the thing that they like i think fear the most yes you know and so i'm sure a lot of them on that side of her pissed definitely so that's a big story that like that's a big media story uh it just is i mean never mind this is like her second run and she has a tight end all sorts of crap with the washington commanders and all of this you can go read it on it you can go look it up and read it she's in the middle but that stuff is kind of similar so it's like not her first run in with this stuff and so it's uh she's like she's gonna have to dig her way out of it and i don't know how much digging brable is gonna have to do but uh it's gonna have to be something i figure either way we continue with your thoughts on this after big jim rick gets up to it why can tony have a definite chemistry are they 100% are they yes 100 did i do i study do you consider them the periodic table of sport star put that in pipe and smoke sorry we need to blow a gas no no blow it baby blow it belgur and maz does this uh does the brable thing reflect on the patrits at all can i answer my answer be no yes yeah they're a bunch of cheaters you know what i mean a bunch of frauds family patrits did i become any different than any other organization no i i wonder i don't know because i don't follow other organizations as much as they do but they sure do lay on the patriot way and family and values and they do okay that's something different and rable certainly lays on the family thing pretty thick i thought you meant today like you know i see what your point is go ahead yeah looks like i said in the prior segment i mean lea bellachek never claimed to be squeaky clean or anything like that right like he didn't come in with heirs of well now we're going to be about family and we want guys are going to be good to all the staff all the way down to the lowest level that kind of thing and now this like the brable takes a hit i think a little bit yeah so i i think it's got more to do with individuals than it does with the organization because you know these are individual choices that people can make and if you're asking me is there like an organ to organizations go around there and saying it's okay if you cheat on your wife no but do they tolerate it yeah and i think they all do uh yeah all i'm saying is just another patriot headline of i mean i think it reflects on them that a high-profile employee has done it another high-ranking patriots employee and exposed as a liar or a cheater it's like how many like oh so from that standpoint sure and the organization that you know with quality people and family and all of this it's like you're just stuff it guys you know just spare me that stuff yeah better okay so that's but that's the issue yeah right yeah that's right somehow that's right they they paint themselves to be you know more chased and purer than other organizations you can blow that out of your ears like that's garbage that is complete garbage and there's other organizations man i said you know certainly where like i mean the raiders like you know the the raiders for 30 years true have stood for trash in our trash they don't pretend to you know that's just a glaring example but i i i think there's other organizations that are just a little more realistic with the way they portray themselves publicly or aren't so bent on putting their morals in your their values in your or their fake morals and fake values in your face so that part that part i agree yeah the bangles don't pretend to be anything other than cheap scum here we are selling the tv's off the the walls of the building like somehow this place is different or special or you have stand for something that could stop it stop oh yeah that's that's complete total bull crap and like i don't know the other thing is you know if you are somebody high ranking over there can you possibly open your mouth about some of the stuff that vraybel you know i say some of the stuff about this whole incident with vraybel when you might have your own what are you referring to i'm just saying in general just from 10 000 feet of general statement there yeah you know listen he who has uh the nuts in cast the first stone or whatever it is if you but depending on what you believe this in is so it it's just another thing uh that you know i mean you would use it against another team you would use it against another fan base totally it's just another thing someone can use against you that's all uh chris in uh on the fairy go ahead chris i mean i know you have to do a radio show but i i also know you don't actually believe the garbage you're spilling you who gives a rat ass you brought a four-win football team to the super bowl if he wants to play hanky panky at a pool with the reporter i don't give a crap it doesn't matter stop it you really you got uh you listened held online for 20 minutes and got on the air to say that so you must care at a certain level exposed yourself yeah these people just don't want you know something off the grid to get in the way of their 13 and 14 and 14 and 3 whatever it was chris on the ferry it's okay that you care how about i start following you around with a camera felga you may uh you're gonna be bored out of your boobs be the most boring follow you're ever gonna have so that's another question though is how the photos came to be ah i want to get to that billy in the car go ahead billy mary yes hello you're a smart guy you're a smart guy my and i'm surprised you haven't asked the question what's the guy doing in the desert taking pictures of a hotel and nobody would uh these two like who set them up like what what what how did these pictures come to be go ahead guys well the one thing i have a buddy who's a photographer and he said in no way shape and form was this taken with an iphone any type of phone that was a high powered lens that took that photo are really particularly the rooftop one really i would say yeah it was a professional lens how do you know you you guys again i'm going on the word high quality of the image like cameras have much higher pixel rates than your cell phone camera my buddy said that it's it's not so much them that it was the tell to him it's that the background is so detailed he said this is a high powered lens this is not taken with an iphone android device and i think like that this was a this was someone that had real camera equipment look there were a couple of the photos in that story that you say well that could be someone sitting in a lounge chair by the pool holding their phone up down definitely yeah they work right by him yeah absolutely there were a couple that the one to me was the one on the rooftop and the hot tub and the hot tub one was even fuzzy go ahead okay no it's the rooftop one is my buddy same thing yeah if you try to take a photo of two people sit on a rooftop let's call out how many yards away 100 yards maybe more i have no idea i can't tell by that picture but at a distance and you try to zoom it on your phone and see who they are no way it's fuzzy yeah it's not that detailed no way nope doesn't work and so now look i you know i mean i dabble in pictures like everyone else does i have a bigger lens on a camera use my wife takes pictures of birds all the time and at a distance you can get a much clearer photo with a high powered lens of course apmas has all the no my wife takes the pictures thank you the gadgets but but on a phone no way not a million years so as the story says the jets who set him up a spy six a page six spy tells us that the pair both married other people had breakfast on the patio of the hotel restaurant around 10 30 on saturday march the 28th before spending a leisurely hour or so together at the pool and lounging side by side in a hot tub those photos you're right could have been made by anyone at the pool with their iphone our spy spotted rabel and russini again that evening on a private rooftop of one of the hotel's bungalows which feature glass walls offering panoramic views of the state's famed red rock formations roofs are only accessible from the two persons so that was now sunset so they had breakfast 10 30 someone could snap them they're now they're on the roof at sunset and someone is scoping them out with a professional telephobic whatever kind of right and they say our spy and they said obtained the photos and the initial story that they put out yesterday obtained right i think they said one second one second i'm going by what i saw last night at about eight o'clock our spy spotted rabel and russini again that evening uh photos show the two hugging at sunset and weaving their fingers together as they stand face to face the spy said they saw the pair briefly dance together uh the very first uh you know again exclusive photos obtained by page six okay there you go okay the first line of the story exclusive photos obtained by page six appear to show rabel and russini holding hands and hugging so obtained so like i mean yeah this is usually how it goes they buy them off of paparazzi or whatever but so what do you think so play out your conspiracy theory i don't know if so someone knew of this relationship that had been going on perhaps between these two for a while and they had an opportunity to finally get some photos incriminating photos and then sell those photos so they've been fought with someone had been following for a while they you know the likes of tmz something like that if you want to go deeper down the rabbit hole perhaps it's a team perhaps someone like the eagles uh that don't really want to trade a j brown for what ends up being like a low second high third round pick uh they're trying to get as much as possible so uh you know let's make the there was a blackmail attempt perhaps yes perhaps something like i mean there there's all kinds of wacky stuff on these internet streets we want 31 overall or yeah everyone's gonna see the photos of you canoodling with russini there at the ambiente yeah that most of these tables said go palm sand and next thing you know here are the photos most of these real crazy ones i'm reading tongue in cheek i don't think people are serious but who knows it is the internet there's a lot of wack jobs on there well look there's one easy theory that i think anyone would throw out there and that is the spouse of one of the people involved maybe they're having some sort of difficulty they're in a separation or about potential divorce and someone's trying to prove infidelity so i look i don't know all the divorce laws i don't pretend to i'm just telling you you don't have to go public with that there's kids involved on russini's side there's two little kids yeah well there's a lot of clips the other thing that i mean that that is real there's clips that are now all over social media over the last day of her not speaking too highly of this shake shack husband of hers really yeah and she's saying it in a joking manner but if i heard my wife talk about me this way on national television i'd be like listen you get a dial this back and if we have a real issue here let's talk about it and so if there's been an issue there and that's been bubbling maybe he hired someone i always say never look past the spouse that's what you always say yeah when it comes to stuff like this that old famous mass saying sucks and blows and it's one of the father of mass check the husband i just think it's the easy place to go oh if this were the jets coaches would be so much fun wouldn't it guys if this were the bills coach or the dolphins coach you'd be having a grand yeah well unfortunately it's you again long commercial resignment comes i always say check the spouse thoughts calls emails oh yeah i i get my child he's on i do i'm not a good person go ahead felger and manz 98 five the sports hub when's the last time you got yelled at by a coach or player mike rabble uh it was actually the it was it was pretty it was a genuine yell um it was the year he was out and i was at the senior bowl and i'd had two back-to-back dinners with general managers so it was like a double booked but i had to make it work and i had the same conversation with both these gms and they were asking me why do i think that mike rabble didn't have a job like why isn't he a head coach right now and i said i don't know i was like i covered him a lot in tennessee i thought he was collaborative he's a leader players love him i don't know and they both offered up that they thought that he was too physically intimidating so the new york post sees this or excuse me i go on a podcast the new york post hears it and it went from an intimidating figure that is perhaps um scaring owners to like mike rabble's too fat to get so he calls me he's like why would you ever report that that's ridiculous that's not even true i'm like are you asking me if i think you're fat you know so uh so that was that was not fun uh because i just think you know he didn't for the record you weren't calling him no no diana russini on with dam patrick just a couple months ago at the super bowl so i'm sure a lot of people are doing that murray you're on those internet streets yeah are people piecing together like things she's reported on the patrots and drawn any lines or any conclusions yeah in that well yeah i mean while he was on the street and before he ended up taking that i think was a line back or offensive line coach or whatever the hell it was with the cleveland browns jobby cleveland yeah i mean the only one really reporting on mike rabble at that time and people are finding these tweets and now repurposing them was tying to russini so at the very least there is a and this is some of the jarred stillman we played that clip earlier has alluded to before that she's kind of been the mouthpiece for mike rabble in recent years and definitely was for a time down there in tennessee so you remember like i'm asking the question i don't i don't remember but when it was reported that rabble was meeting with the jets who reported that like because that would have benefited rabble yeah right the theory was that he wanted to come to new england and all of a sudden he was going to meet with the jets and see if i could find that one you know let let listen ever since stillman jared stillman down there in nashville told us over a year ago uh or more i can't remember when we first started talking to jared that he said you know if if russini reports it on the patriots pay attention trust me and that's all he would say but i was clear like i had a sense of what he was implying there uh and stillman's gone beyond implying in the last 24 hours he's kind of taken a victory lap but you know i think the implication was there so that i would pay attention to russini sort of reporting on the patriots and they're thinking and whatnot and i would think to myself oh well that's rabble and um so like i'm not totally surprised by this me neither right but uh that they have a good relationship at least and so uh yeah i don't know what the where i started with the question on that was but either way oh i think people just going to you know go back in and do a little little diagnostics on what's been reported from russini whether it was rabble with the titans or rabble here with the patriots and i'm telling you this is this is a bigger national media story and probably an important one i mean i say important in the context of covering the nfl because these national guys like it's shephard just went through a thing with mike florio did you read any of this or getting this with florio um what it what was it i did this is generally it if it's not exactly it it's close enough where shephard reported something from a prospect at the combine that put him in a good light like maybe he had a bad time doing this drill but he had a good time doing that drill and shephard just highlighted the drill that he did well versus the drill he struggled with something like that and this player was a rosin house client and florio wrote shephard is known to take care of rosin house and this is how the sausage gets gets made but just so you know as a consumer you don't always get the straight shot because shephard is taking care of drew rosin house something like that and shephard lost his mind and they had a thing and you know media beef and so i like this happens all the time and uh again or lofsky's another one there was a or lofsky was on with mac ify and mac ify called him out straight out because or lofsky was saying who's the kid from that tie simpson that tie simpson should be taken ahead of mendoza in the draft and he was the only one saying that well i think they dug up that or lofsky shares the same agent as simpson and it's like well are you doing that because of your agency are you doing that because that's really what the film shows so like there's always like these little brush fires that get called out right like yeah of course yeah what's your bias what's the story behind the story why are you giving me this information and not that information it gets called out all the time well i don't know how this doesn't fall into the same category oh it's been a lot of ways it might be worse i mean jesus well listen if adam him himmelbach is allowed to do to bill chism what he did the other day then the russini rabel stuff is the same just quick so i was able to find the first report the jets will interview former titans coach mike rabel for their head coaching job friday a source tells zack blatt oh where does zack blatt work the athletic sure it does so there's another way to it does another way to hide it i don't want to report it but here sure give it to someone else i've done i've done that at your place right exactly you have to you have to have one degree of separation so not everyone's calling you out on your sourcing yeah i've done that i can't write this but do it yeah and if you want to check it out on your own check it with this person sure yep so there's gonna be a lot of that uh getting done here look and this is unfair to women okay but there is always that perception of trading sex for a story okay and it's unfair because uh you know when a guy does it it's hey do me a solid on this and uh i'll get you into this show or whatever well let me tell you it doesn't come off as quite as sorted so you know and it ends up being you know it ends up being unfair in a lot of ways if not sex how about just florton like i think people are gonna go too far on russini in other words and i have joke about himmel'sbach i mean what what himmel'sbach did to build chism in that interview the other day was borderline servicing okay if you're if you're gonna prostitute yourself on that level so i'm gonna get i'm gonna come down and receive we're playing footsie with rabel and a hot tub to get the story i mean whatever it takes you know what i mean like i think it's it's and i don't go too far with that i'm gonna say like destroy marriages and take take people down but if the guys got a shine on you you know it's taking a shine to you and if just having a breakfast with them and getting a hot tub with them is gonna get you the story like i don't know is it really that much different than how uh other reporters prostitute themselves i mean to get someone to talk to well look at the end of the day probably not right probably not but people will see it differently i know they do it's unfair right people will see it differently so like in the case of the guy you just say well that's just you know someone taking a soft approach on the business side to get their own benefit out of the deal the other one becomes personal in nature and so and i'm not telling you it's fair because at the end of the day making a deal is making a deal but i mean where do you stop on that one with the way the media works doggy dog world oh i mean the type of bartering that goes on the guy likes me so i'll give him a little flirt yeah and i'll get the stories that really make her a bad person right whether it's whether it's entirely deliberate or not too or or and i say deliberate you know that understood in other words it's like do you come out and say hey i'll flirt with you if you give me this it's not like that it's just kind of you know you flirt or am i gonna go oh i'll go easy on you if you give me this story like i've never had that conversation but it inherently can happen that way 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