#384 - Most Powerful Secret Society & The Blackmail Playbook Running America | Kris Millegan

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This was like in the, oh, about 65, something like that. And I gave him a flip little teenage answer. I said, you got a sack of hand grenades and some rice patties, and you go throw the hand grenades to win it for the good guys wearing the white hats. I mean, I'd been raised on John Wayne in World War II. All my uncles and my dad was in World War II. So he said, we have to have a talk. And I said, okay. And just went on with my life. And then about the day before my 20th birthday, we came to the house. I figured, you know, we're going to have a, you know, some cake and ice cream and stuff like that. And I get there and my dad says it's time to have that talk. And I kind of remembered what he was saying. And then he had a friend of his from Vanderbilt there, Dr. D.F. Fleming. And they took me into my little brother's room and sat me down and dad looked at me and said, the Vietnam War is about drugs. There's these secret societies behind it. And I'm thinking, okay, dad's talking about the mafia. This was like 1969. And then he said, and communism's all a sham. These same secret societies are behind it. It's all a big game. And at that point in time, I thought my daddy was nuts. Okay, because the, you know, I'd been stuffed under the desk as the Ruskies were going to bomb us. And so it just, you know, it didn't compute. And so, and then they started talking, they started telling me all about my dad's intelligence career. Who's that? Who's start telling you? My dad and this professor from Vanderbilt. And which had never really been mentioned in the house before. I mean, the only time I remember I was like eight years old and we were living in Nashville. And my older brother and older sister, we were standing up talking outside the living room in this hallway. And my older brother says, I think dad works for the CIA. And, you know, I was eight years old. I was into baseball, you know, didn't didn't really mean much to that. He said, that's how come we went overseas. And I said, huh, you know, and so this was the first time that because it had never been mentioned in the house. Okay. And so they tell me all about his intelligence career, which he had started as an 18 year old kid. He'd been an exchange student to China in 1936. Okay. And at that point in time, it was the State Department just told him casually to, you know, keep your eyes and ears open, especially about what the Japanese are doing. And then he left Shanghai a week before the Japanese bombed it 1937 and went across, went up to Vladivostok and went across the Trans-Siberian Railway to Vienna and went to Switzerland and ended up in Berlin. And then to London, where he was at the World Council of Churches with the Dulles Brothers. And they had a big conference there. And then dad came back to school and he graduated in 1939. And he was accepted at a school in Switzerland for international relations. And but there was something going on in 39 and in Europe and there was a war going on. And so he didn't get there. He got as far as the basement of the Library of Congress under Archibald McLeish and they gave him a desk and they said, we want you to become an expert on the Philippines. And so dad started, you know, studying the Philippines. He used to tell a story about how the dad, the guy right next to him, and he helped him with starting what is now known as the CI World Fact Book. And they started on eight by five and the bigger cards, creating this, you know, list of facts about all the countries in the world. And then Donovan walked in and he started an organization called Coordination of Information, COI. And then COI morphed into the OSS and dad was there working for the OSS. And then he got drafted and OSS said, great, you're going to, you're still going to be working for us, but we're going to put you into military intelligence G2 and we're going to put you on MacArthur staff and we want you to report back because we don't trust MacArthur and Willoughby. And then dad was put on as a personal and private secretary to a Dr. Hayden. And then Dr. Hayden came to the United States and to talk to FDR and he died here. And then they took my dad out of theater to go get those, the papers that he had to carry him back to the Philippines. And then dad started working with the gorillas a whole bunch. And because, you know, the Japanese had taken over the Philippines and he landed on Leyte and then they started working with the gorillas. And he went into Manila, away before the government troops with these gorillas and was helping them set up their diplomatic mission and their government. And they put the collaborators in jail. And MacArthur had been raised in the Philippines. And so when he finally gets to Manila, a bunch of his childhood friends are in jail. And they wanted to find out who did that. And my dad was the highest guy responsible. And so MacArthur said, get rid of the melligan. And they moved my dad to be head of research and analysis for the invasion of Japan. And they brought a gentleman in by the name of Ed Lansdale, who had also been in G2 and OSS at the same time to take my dad's place. And I don't know if you know much about conspiracy literature, but Lansdale is figures quite prominently in it. There's a very good book called Gold Warriors by Sterling Seagrave that I mean, Sterling Seagrave was the son of the Burma surgeon. He was raised in Southeast Asia. All of his books were book the month club and New York Times bestsellers until he wrote Gold Warriors. And he had to publish it himself. And he got so many death threats that he moved to the south of France. And it's an amazing book. And then dad told me he went through a couple of alphas and then ended up in the CIA as branch chief head of all of East Asia Analysis Office. And he was there for several years. And then 1951, they wanted somebody to talk to Sikarno in Indonesia. And my dad wasn't your typical Ivy League CIA guy. He'd been born in Montana and raised in the Northwest. So, um, what's that mean? Is he a knuckle-drager? No, no, it just means that he wasn't, uh, oh, I don't know, slick or something like that. I mean, he wasn't, he wasn't an Eastern establishment. He was just a kid. Sure. Okay. And so, um, I went with him as a little kid. One and a half years old, I learned Dutch and Maley before I learned English. Wow. And, you know, and I was a CIA front as a little kid. And then we were there for a couple of years and dad got ill and we went back to Fairfax outside D.C. I was born in D.C. And dad just did strange odd jobs. He had a research little place that he did research in and had a TV show at one time, just did different things. And then 1956, we were, he told us, he said, he was going to write a book about the church in Southeast Asia. And, uh, we got taken off to our grandparents' house in Oregon and, and mom and dad went off to the Far East. And then things really changed. We'd been living on this 10-acre farm outside Fairfax on this, along this gravel road that's now a four-lane highway. And, uh, all of a sudden the farm was put up for sale. We were going to be moving to Rochester. That didn't happen. We moved to another little house in Fairfax. And then all of a sudden, dad was made vice president of a college in Nashville. And, you know, again, I'm just a little kid, you know, I'm just following the family. And then we were in Nashville for like two years. And in the middle of the school year, the president of the college quit. They asked my dad to be president. He said no, sold the house for $15 over its contract and moved the whole family out to Oregon. And this was in 1959. And then in this thing in 1969, when they were telling me all about my dad's intelligence career, he said that the thing that he had, paper he had signed said he couldn't talk for 10 years. And so that's why he was talking to me then in 1969, because he said he left him, he left the agency soft and 57 and hard and 59. Okay. And then he, they saw, can you explain what that means soft and hard? What's the difference between soft and hard leaving the agency? Soft was, okay, I'm leaving you guys, but I'm still going to work with you. Yeah. At, as a vice president of this college, he was in charge with a bunch of international students and stuff like that. Right. But then they were, you know, asking him to do something that he just wouldn't, he wouldn't do. I mean, he, when he first left him in, in 56, it was because of the drug running, he would not, he was in a position where he had knowledge about it. And he would not go along with it. And they offered him a life changing bribe. They offered him parts of seven corners and Tyson's quarters up in, up around the DC area. So he wasn't the typical CIA pure sociopath that they like to have. This was early days. Yeah. He, he didn't take the money. I'll put it that way. He could have taken the money and just turned a blind eye, but as most do, yeah, it wasn't my dad. So I was, I was very proud when that's good. So when you say he left hard in 69, 59, oh, 59, how do you go? I didn't know anyone actually left quote unquote hard from the CIA. I thought once you're in, you're always in. Well, no, I mean, unless you go to jail for like, blowing the whistle. It's a bureaucracy like any, any, any bureaucracy. And no, he, he didn't have anything to do with him after that. I mean, I saw some of his employment records. And he did a big thing because he used to, they get these little blue forms every six month and he had duplicates on them. And one of them, he was a GS number. And the other one, he was a higher GS number. And he had to go through all that to get his social security and stuff like that. But no, he, he didn't have anything. He didn't want to have anything to do with him. Yeah. He, he made a statement that was in the newspaper a little bit before he died that said, because he, his last job was, he was a church administrator. He said, working for the church is much more nicer than working for the CIA. When you're working for the CIA, the ends justify the means. And that just wasn't, wasn't my dad. CIA ran churches, didn't they? Well, I, that I don't know. I know that they have used religious organizations. Yeah, they sure have. Did your dad ever tell you who really ran the world? Well, you know, he said this thing about secret societies after, after the thing about, you know, tell me about the Vietnam war, about drugs. The next thing out of his mouth was in, in communism's all a sham. These same secret societies are behind it. It's all a big game. Right. Right. Okay. So he, you know, and, and how old were you when he told you this? 19. You're 19. Okay. I'm 19. I'm married, got a six month old kid. Okay. Started a record, started early. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Started a record store and was putting on rock and roll dances, you know, so I was having a good time. So I, I really didn't, you know, I mean this, in after, after they told me all about my dad's intelligence career, the next thing they started telling, talking to me about, you were in, and when you were doing the rock and roll stuff with the rock and roll band, that was what, what decade, roughly? Oh, in the 60s and 70, I mean, I played music up, tell about a couple of years ago. Okay. I played, played a lot of music, but you ever make your way to the hate Ashbury clinic? Never been to the clinic. There. No. No. I was at Monterey though. Oh, were you really? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you ever run shoulders with any, any cult leaders down there in California? Well, I, I, I knew Keezy pretty well. Really? Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I live in Springfield, Oregon. He lived in Pleasant Hill, Oregon. It's real close, close by. And, you know, he was an interesting guy. I mean, I, I put on Grateful Dead dances in the, in the, you know, I think first one was 67, 68, 68 and whatnot. And no, I mean, I'm a hippie. I mean, I don't know if he had butts about that. You ever ran into Charles Manson? No, never ran into Charles Manson and, and, and whatnot. But I, you know, I went back after my dad talked about, you know, had this talk with me. And, you know, most of it just, it was overload. I mean, my dad, they, after they told me about they were playing out a loose scenario in Vietnam, which didn't compute with me at all. Okay. Because at the same time they were trying to draft me to take me over there to shoot people, you know, but I had to kill them with rules. And so it just didn't make any sense. And so, and then my dad all in the middle of a sentence just stopped talking because he could see that he was talking, he was seeing about propaganda and, and, and psychological warfare. And then he started talking about sway pieces. And I just, he could see that I had no idea sway pieces, sway pieces. Yeah. Talking about like news propaganda. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that I had no idea what they were talking about. So, so, you know, I just, you know, went on home and next time I saw the only question I really had, because one of the things he told me was that for OSS, one of the things that they had to do was to get nine copies of everything that was printed. Okay. And like, to me, that seemed like a daunting task. And so the next time I saw him, I said, gee, dad, how did you do that? And he said, well, the biggest thing and, you know, to print something, you had to have a big building and a big machine and a lot of supplies and a bunch of people. He said he would compromise some people and get, get his, his copies. Okay. And so, because it just didn't make any sense to me at all. And, and so I was reading a girlie magazine, I believe it was gallery, reading a story about the JFK assassination. And there was, you know, in there, they were saying, well, people talk about, you know, the involvement of the mafia and the involvement of the CIA. And some people talk about secret societies. And that brought back this whole conversation that I'd had with my dad. And I started thinking, well, gee, what was dad telling me there? You know? And so I started to do research. And the way I do research is to read books. And so I started, you know, first thing I really started to dig into was intelligence. How does intelligence work? What do intelligence officers do and blah, blah, blah? What's the protocol and all of that type of stuff. And also about the drug trade. And the hardest things for me to find was information about secret societies. And then finally, you know, and during all this time, I mean, I had a record store, I was doing band, you know, I was a busy guy and I had kids and stuff like that. And so finally, in 1988, I run across Anthony Sutton's book, America's Secret Establishment and Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones. And I read that book and in there, you know, he talks about skull and bones, you know, being involved with the Russian Revolution and all of that type of stuff. And so I read that and I said, well, gee, maybe my daddy's not nuts after all. About a year ago, I got hit with a text about an unpaid toll. And when I finally paid it, it turned out to be a scam. 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Okay, so much so that in the 1820s, we had an anti-masonic party. It was the first political party to have a national convention. And then they elected some people to Congress and different things. And then... What do you mean when you say anti-masonic scare? I don't understand what that means. Well, there was a lot of that, that the masons were quote unquote, evil, bad, you know, something, you know, I mean, it was just... I see your sign. Okay. It was a thing that happened here and there was speeches and different things. So we had an anti-masonic party. Like a satanic panic, but for the masons. Kind of like that. Yeah. You could say that. And then so it became very not nice, okay, to be a member of secret society. Okay. And I feel like secret societies is a very loaded term. Yeah, it is. When you say the word secret societies, people... I feel like most people automatically think of like some crazy fringe thing on like the edge of reality. Might be true, might be witchcraft, might be, you know, science fiction, who knows? But like, if you could distill what you mean by a secret society into basic terms, what actually is it? Well, a secret society is basically a group of people that are working in secrecy to accomplish a goal. Okay. And basically I see them, you know, these secret societies are using secrecy to lie, cheat and steal. So by that term, could like Scientology be a secret society? Oh, kind of, I guess, you know, I mean, is there a membership list of Scientology? Yes. Okay, well, then, you know, then you know who the members are. I mean, yeah. Or like, yeah, I don't know. Any sort of secret club could be a secret society. It doesn't have to be like some nefarious thing where they suck the blood of children, right? No, it doesn't have to be. I mean, secret societies have developed, you know, through time for different reasons. Okay, I mean, you at one point in time, you had the Catholic Church as the main power, right? And if you didn't do what they did, you could get yourself in trouble. Okay. So some people banded together in secret societies to, you know, to deal with the Catholic Church. And I mean, that's one thing I find is that, you know, there's different secret societies that have developed over time. And, and at one point, you know, they, they become aware of each other and they might even been fighting each other. But then they say, wait a minute, why are we fighting each other when our common enemy is the people? Okay, so how many secret societies do we have basically? We got the Freemasons, we got the Illuminati. Can you, can you like name like the top big players in secret societies? Well, you know, you've got the mafia. Okay, yeah, we got the mafia. That's a good secret society. Secret society. You've got Shabbat. Shabbat. I want to talk about Shabbat. I'm interested in that. Okay. Now, see, see, so we also have the Illuminati and we also have the Masons, right? Well, see Phi Beta Kappa, okay, Phi Beta Kappa. Is this Skull and Bones? This is, this is the organization that Phi Beta Kappa, some of it morphed into Skull and Bones. Okay. Okay. Because see Phi Beta Kappa started December 5th, 1776. Okay. Okay. And the Illuminati started May 1st, 1776. Okay. And there's a lot of- So these are the first ones? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, no, no, there's- That were modern times. Yeah. Yeah. And, and so Phi Beta Kappa was December 5th, 1776 at the College of William and Mary. Two shoots went off. One went to Yale. One went to Harvard. Then you had the American Revolution. And so College of William and Mary was shut down, but the two shoots at Yale and Harvard kept going. And there are Masonic scholars that say that Phi Beta Kappa was the Illuminati come to America. Okay. There's some that say, well, there wasn't enough time for the ships to get, get back here, but there's plenty. Because see, the Illuminati, you know, started by Y Shop there in Bavaria was very much Greek. Okay. And before that, all the college, you know, little clubs had generally been Latin. Okay. So Phi Beta was one of the first ones to do Greek. And then so in the 1820s, it became very, you know, not Gosher, whatever, you didn't want to be a member of a secret society. So the Phi Beta Kappa first at Harvard went, went open, became an open society. Okay. And then the Phi Beta Kappa in 1832, two members of Phi Beta Kappa, George, Huntington Russell and Alfonso Tapp, then formed the order of Skull and Bones. And William Huntington Russell had been in, in, in Germany, going to school before then. And this, the Skull and Bones is an outgrowth of a German secret society of the Thule society. And what's their goal? Their goal, you know, I don't know, I'm not a member, they don't, they don't, they don't tell me. But it seems that their goal is to control things. Okay, control our future and control our kids future. Control our future and control our kids future. Okay. Yeah. I mean, one of the first things that Skull and Bones did was to take over the education system. Okay. They brought over the Prussian education system. Okay. The Prussians were very upset when Napoleon beat them. Okay. So they took the actual kids, okay, by bayonet point, and, and, you know, had compulsory education. And instead of teaching how to think, they teach you what to think. Okay. And, and so William Huntington Russell was a, the sign of Russell and Company, okay, which was the third largest opium smuggling concern in the world. Okay. And opium creates a huge amount of money. Okay. They say that, you know, now, you know, fentanyl is taken over over a lot of that market. But they were saying that there was a million to a million to junkies in the United States. I think there's a few more. Okay. And a million to a million to that takes a ton a day. Okay. That needs to be passed around to people. Okay. Now there's some people that can, you know, maybe get a month's supply. There's some people get a week's supply. Some people get a three day supply. Most people are daily opium intake. Okay. So, and, and, you know, you look at Russia, Russia is 5% of their population is daily opium intake. China still has the largest amount of people that are daily opium intake. Iran has the largest percentage 10% of their population is daily opium intake. Okay. It creates huge amounts of money, which then allows these people to corrupt things. I mean, how how Skull and Bones got its real big hooks into the United States of America and the United States government was through the Spanish American War. And that was because of drugs. Because you see, opium, after the Second Opium War, opium became legal. Okay. They don't like that, do they? And you gotta make that shit illegal. I don't know. It should be legal. No, I know, but they can make more money if it's illegal. Right. Right. Right. Right. So, so after it got made legal, you know, I was tracking these people because I was really, you know, digging into the drug trade. And you can see where they after they lost their cash cow before the, for the cash cow, they had 85% of the emerging steel infrastructure in the Far East, the railroads and the steamship lines. Okay. So they, you can see where they start selling it off. It gets down about 15%. And they sell their, these are like all kids. Look at this. Look at these skull, this is the Skull and Bones yearbook photo. Yeah. Yeah. Well, every year, I mean, those guys, these kids look like teenagers. Well, they're juniors in college. That's wild. They're juniors in college. So what's the initiation for Skull and Bones? Is it like some like weird fucking, like what were those dudes? Who are the Templars? What they had to do? They had to like kiss the taint of like the leader or something gay like that. They had to do anything like that with the Skull and Bones. You know, I don't know. I'm not a member. I mean, there's all kinds of stories, you know, there is, they had a night where they have to tell everybody about all their sexual adventures and all this type of stuff. Yeah. That's a, they probably had to blackmail each other, right? So they didn't have to rat, they didn't get any rats. Well, you know, I mean, there's some secret societies where you have to give them blackmail material before you join. I think that's what, I think that's how you have to get into American politics is you have to give them blackmail. Well, you know, I think, I think you have to like, there has to be some sick shit that you've done in order for you to run, run society. 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And now we can kind of see the shapes and the colors and the way all this stuff moves in this other dimension. Right? There's some dimension that's above us. So like before it was just completely opaque. We couldn't see anything through it. And now that we have these little drips of emails and stuff and this Epstein evidence and this testimony, you know, people like Les Wexner giving up Ellie Derroth Child and all this stuff. And it's like, whoa, it's like, all this shit. This might be real. Maybe this is all just an allegory. Maybe we're living in a fake fucking reality. No, no. And like, it kind of is flipping. Like a lot of people are getting their worldviews completely turned upside down, realizing that some of this shit, you know, maybe this is the way the world fucking works. Well, that's what happened with my dad telling me that story. Okay. And it took me 20 years just to understand, you know, a lot of it. And by the time I finally understood it, to ask him questions, he was real sick and soon died. So I didn't really get to talk to him about it, but I got to go through his papers and understand some of it. But again, a lot of it has to do with the drug trade. And then you want to know how the secret side is run the world? Yes. Okay. Well, it's a leviathan of three levels. And each level has three parts. Who's the top level? The top level is mining, metal and money. Okay. And you think about it, it makes sense. If you control the mining that the metal comes from, that the money's based on, you're in a really good position. I mean, I had an author that could affect that position. And he first came at me with a book about gold mining, but it was like, I don't know, a thousand pages. And it was just when I first got started publishing. And I didn't, you know, I says, I know nothing about gold mining. And so he finally got it published someplace and pulled them. And then he came at me later with a thinner book. And he had the support of a professor from Stanford on it. And it was called Calling All Angels. And I said about the death of his great aunt, Jane Stanford. And I says, okay, well, I'll publish this book for you. Steven Rekwa. And we got it out and he was dead in seven days. Okay, he got hit by a, run over by a hit and run lorry in London. I mean, this guy, you know, he was a mining engineer. His daddy was a mining engineer. His granddaddy was a mining engineer. His great granddaddy was a mining engineer. And one of the 49ers, part of the Comstock load and president of the Central Pacific. Okay, so this, you know, and so mining, metal and money is the top level. Right. Okay. The next level is a very active level, drugs, guns and oil. This is the Epstein level. Well, because he was doing a lot of arms trafficking. Right. And oil, you see, it was actually a member of Skull and Bones Dr. Benjamin Solomon, Jr. Okay. Who was given a vial of rock oil from Cornell and by Mr. Bissell. And he wrote him a letter and he said, gee gentlemen, you have some products here. Richard Bissell. Yeah. You have some products here that with very inexpensive processes, you have some very valuable products. And so they were the piece, it was Skull and Bones that sent Drake to Pennsylvania to do the first oil well. Okay. And the only reason we go to the oil stores because they own it. Okay. There's other ways of making energy. Okay. Yeah, but we, you see the file Epstein killed Pons. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah. Well, we did a book about, about, He killed coal fusion. And it's a book about the energy fusion from a Italian, top Italian scientist and a top Italian investigative reporter that talked about how, they're already using cold fusion and they're using it to make quote unquote, many nukes and. What? Yeah. Yeah. It's a book called, Secret of Three Bullets. And we had to do it as fiction and they, I call, they said, why do we have to do this in fiction? Then I read it and I said, oh, I understand. And, but, going back to. They have cold fusion, many nukes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. In Italy? No, they were using them during the first golf war there. You know, they were saying that they would find these tanks, you know, and they would be all irradiated and stuff like that. And they were saying it was from, spent uranium in the, in the armor or something like that. It was actually these mini nukes. You know, I'm not an expert on it. And I, you know, I published the book, but it was like 15 years ago. Yeah. I remember a whole lot. You know, I hear all these crazy stories. I've been hearing them for so long about how the US has the best top secret kind of weaponry, black budget stuff that looks like magic. But we go into this Iran war and it's like, it seems like we haven't progressed at all in centuries. Well. We're using the same old shit. Again, the secret societal, you know, they really, the United States of America has been, you know, one of their focuses of having us dissolve. Okay. Because they do not like government of and buying for the people. Okay. So again, drugs, guns and oil. Okay. And. Oh yeah. I got you off track. It's okay. We're doing this. Yeah. It starts with mining, metal and money. The layer below that is drugs, guns and oil. Right. And, and the, you know, the drug trade, like I said, the Spanish-American war after opium became legal. Okay. They lost their cash cow. And so what did they do? Well, they foment the Spanish-American war. Okay. Through false flag and yellow journalism. I mean, the main, right? Remember the main. What kind of journalism did you say? Yellow journalism. What does that mean? Oh, that means like her saying, you know, you give me, I'll make the war. I mean, they, they, they, they created propaganda, you know, false propaganda to get the American people up yellow. That was a term at the time. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. And so they, you had Teddy Roosevelt. Okay. Teddy Roosevelt was under secretary of Navy. Okay. And the secretary of Navy had gout. Secretary of Navy went home early one day. Teddy went up to the desk and sent off a bunch of missives. Secretary of Navy came back and said, Teddy, what did you do? And he never left early again. Okay. And well, we declared war on, on Spain, but we didn't go to Cuba right away. Teddy got to quit his job and go get a bunch of his friends and get together, but we took the Philippines right away. Okay. That's what Teddy had done. He'd sent off message to Perry says, get down there to Manila. Okay. So we took, why did we take over the Philippines? Okay. Because Manila is the oldest western port in the far East. Okay. It's a spain. The Spain were sending, you know, galleons from there. So, and, and these guys were, you know, opium smugglers, but, you know, they didn't really cop to it when they were doing it. They were, you know, China traders. Right. They always had a back office in Manila. So they sent out Arthur MacArthur as the first military governor, okay, in the Philippines. And then they sent out William Howard Taft as the first civilian governor. Okay. And he was a member of the Order of Skull and Bones, son of the founder Alfonso Taft. Okay. So McKinley asked William Howard, you know, do you want to be on the Supreme Court? And William Howard looked, you know, he was a big guy. He looked good in black robes. And he's, matter of fact, the only guy who's both president of the United States and Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. And so, but William Howard said no. And finally McKinley was shot. Okay. And Teddy was president. And see the Roosevelt's were heavily involved with the drug trade. Okay. They were ship captains and owned ships. And matter of fact, Delano, Warren Delano, Franklin's grandfather was the chief factor for Russell and Company for 20 years in Canton. Matter of fact, he came back to the United States, lost all of his money in a panic, and went back and made another fortune. Okay. So then finally Teddy asked William Howard, well, you want to be Secretary of War? William Howard said, sure, I'll be Secretary of War. His dad had been Secretary of War. So he leaves the Philippines. Well, if you look at the historical record, what did William Howard do before he left the Philippines? He made opium illegal for the first time in modern Asia. Perfect. Okay. So if it's illegal, you need them smugglers. That's right. Okay. And then, and then what did William Howard do? He started the Hague and the Shanghai Convention, which gave us the prohibition on cannabis and the prohibition on coca and the prohibition on opium. And what that does is it allows these people to get primitives to grow these plants for pennies. Okay. And then process them and sell them for big bucks. Okay. Which gives them the money, then to corrupt everything. Oh, here, here, here, here, here. Because I mean, it's a huge pile of money. Right. Right. What do you know about the trilateral commission? Well, the trilateral commission was something set up by, wasn't it? Rockfeller. Rockfeller, yeah, David Rockfeller, Jimmy Carter was a member of it. And they had Asian, mostly Japan people in it. And I mean, it's a quasi-secret society. I mean, it's really not secret. You've got, you can get a list of members. Bill Gates was on there, right? Or no? I don't know. Find out, is there a list of who was on the trilateral commission, Steve? See if you can find that. I have a friend who is a former CIA agent for like 20, over 20 years. And he was telling me he has a very close former friend who is NCIA, who went to one of the trilateral commission meetings and she said it was all about arms deals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, it's a place where people can sit around a table and talk to each other, you know? And get business done, whatnot, you know? And so drugs, guns and oil, okay. It's just crazy. Yeah. You know, it's crazy, all these people. Right. So where does this meet the road? Okay, media. They got to control the narrative, right? You know, okay. Podcasts, is it the control and podcasts? I don't know. Well, you know, they're trying to get some of the secret society though. It's minimal, you know what I mean? And it always breaks through. You know, the people are stiff neck. And then music slash movies, okay? They got to control the culture or the cultural vitamin in the body. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, that used to work. Doesn't work so much anymore. Gates was not on the trilateral. Gates was never on the trilateral? No. So these are the guys. Wow, look at this. So these people all represent different countries. I mean, it's basically a business meeting. You know, it's similar to the Bilderberg meeting. Jason, yeah, similar to the Bilderbergs. South Africa. Where, who else we got here? Russia. Iran. Look at that Iran lady. We got Russia, Istanbul, Middle East center, Beirut and Moscow. Okay, so is the basic purpose of the trilateral commission for like all the countries to get together and say this is what we're gonna do? Like this is our plan. This is how we're gonna run the world. Well, maybe to a certain extent. And then also try to make some money with farm fields. To a certain extent. You know, I mean, they've got meetings, you know, all different times around, you know, they got the WEF, you know, they got lots of places. And why would they invite Jeffrey Epstein to the trilateral commission? Well, because he has contacts. When he's in his 20s or 30 years old, maybe. You know. Seems like he was getting groomed. Among other things, among other things, you know, I mean, again, I'm not a member of these. I'm, you know, outside looking in, trying to figure out, you know, what they're doing. What is your take on it though, you know? What do you think? Why would they invite him at such a young age to be on the fucking trilateral commission? Because he had contacts. He had something that they wanted. They had something that they wanted, something that he could do, you know? I mean, it's about, you know, getting people together. Okay, what can you do? What can you do? You know, okay, let's do it together. Oh, maybe we can make some money on this too. I mean, you know, I mean, these are government people and business people and stuff like that. So it's, you know, it's a meeting. So it's media, movie slash music, and then quote unquote magic. You know, okay, their ability to hoodwink us to make us think something else is happening. And then their preponderance on doing mass trauma rituals to keep us in line. Okay, because at its core, the JFK assassination is a mass trauma ritual. Okay, I mean, they killed the president, right? In public. You killed the president. That's what I've heard. Yeah, yeah. And then 9-11 also at its core was a mass trauma ritual. These guys are- There's Charlie Kirk thing too, it was pretty brutal. Well, they perform what is known as death magic. Okay. Death magic. Death magic, yes. By killing people, you get power. That's some of their belief. And they don't have to get everybody to believe that. How do you get power from killing people? I don't know. That's their belief, you know? I mean, it's like, you know, the JFK assassination, if you look very hard at JFK assassination in 9-11, both of their grounds, okay, the killing plaza of Dealey Plaza. Yeah. And the place where those buildings were built. They all started in the 30s. They all started those operations in the 30s. Okay, so this has been a longstanding plan of using psychological warfare, okay? Because you see- Don't tell me it was built in 1933. What? Oh. Dealey Plaza. Well, you know- On the 33rd latitude. It is on the 33rd. I know, that's crazy. And Elm Street there is the only street around there that runs at 33rd degrees. I mean, we've been doing these round tables for quite a while. And one of these round tables, we've had this one gentleman who's can show how every major city in the United States and most in the world are set up on a particular grid, a Masonic type of thing. Is it also true that the first Nuke ever tested was on the 33rd? Yeah, yeah, the Trinity. And Jerusalem's on the 33rd degree. Yeah. Yeah. The End Times prophecy, Chris. Well, End Times prophecy. I mean, you know, there's been so many End Times prophecies over and over again, you know, people sell all their house, move up, get up on the top of the hill and wait for the world to end. Lord have mercy, it don't end, you know? I mean, it's a, it's a, that's a, again, it's a control mechanism. Yeah. You know, you have, you have a particular group of people, the priests, okay? I mean, the priests learned out a long time ago, okay? I can make some smoke come out of that little hole over there. You know, the people bring me food, they'll bring me their kids, they'll bring me most anything, okay? And so the priests learned how to, you know, do things so that they could get things from the population and control them, okay? Another group out there is the pirates. Pirates? Pirates, sure. If you're a seafaring civilization and you come across a bunch of land lovers, okay? Your knowledge is so superior to those land lovers that then you're able to, you know, use techniques to get what you want out of them. So you basically have, you know, through time these groups and this corruption has grown up. It's grown up? Yeah, yeah, it's rather sophisticated. I mean, right, you know, you were saying that, you know, people started thinking about secret societies. I mean, I started thinking about them, you know, after my daddy told me and it didn't. No, I was, I think, I don't, I think people have always been thinking about secret societies. I just think it was these people, these types of people who take them seriously have always been brushed off. Oh yeah. Until now. Yeah, I've been brushed off for years, you know. And now it's impossible to ignore, even though there's people that go to the end of the earth try to ignore it still. Right, well, you know, it's, again, and you know, when I would first start talking about this, you know, and people would come up to me and say, oh no, they're just a bunch of greedy people. They just want money. And I'd say, they've already got a lot of money. It's not about money, it's about control. It's about control of the narrative and control of the future, okay? And which leads to control of your children, okay? Because, you know, we have as, oh, all of us together have failed safe devices. So we, as a humanity, just don't go all jumping off the cliff. The first fail safe device is the dialectic, okay? And I say some things that I know are true about drug running, intelligence agencies, and secret societies, okay? Then I find somebody that I know is a spook, okay, that says stuff just a little bit more outrageous. He put some lies in there, okay? Because by controlling the extremes, you control the middle, okay? And so this fail safe device can be manipulated, okay? The next fail safe device we have is the cycle of generations. There's a very good book called Generations, A History of America's Future, okay? And you have an idealistic group, okay? Then you have a reactive group, then you have a civics group, and then you have an adaptive group. And then they start all over again, propelling us in the future too, okay? So the powers that be, the kids that were teens and pre-teens in the 1860s, they didn't cohere as a generation, okay? Some of them joined the generation after, some of them joined the generation before, some of them just went out in the woods and did weird stuff. Okay? So what that does is it makes us a four cycle engine, but we're only running on three cycles. You're talking about like the fourth turning type thing. Right, these are the same people that wrote the fourth turning. Okay. This is their earlier book called Generations, okay? So the, so in this book they talk about, okay, why did the kids that were teens and pre-teens in the 1860s, why didn't they cohere as a generation? Well, it was because of the assassination of a president, war, and then opium, okay? And so what that, and because we were only a, you know, a four cycle only running, it allowed these people to really get their claws into our country during the Spanish-American war and all of that, okay? Because we weren't as strong, okay? Because we're only a four cycle engine running on three cycles. So they attempted to do that again, okay? To us, the people that were teens and pre-teens in the 1960s, the boomers, okay? Right. And to do this, they had to have in place by 1950, three things, okay? They had to have the modern education system, okay? And this was brought to us in a very open campaign by the Masons, okay? And then they had to have television, okay? But not just television, but television that runs at 60 cycles, so it has a little flicker in there. You read any book about hypnosis, it'll tell you that 60 cycle flicker puts you into a trance, okay? I mean, the patterns- I heard, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Somebody told me the other day that the education system, what was Kurt saying? He was saying kindergarten was specifically designed to get kids away from their parents. I read that too, and there's, you know, I'm sure there's some truth to that. And the, because the television, the patents go back to the 1920s, okay? As this guy was sitting there watching a wheat field blowing in the wind, he says, gosh, I could make pictures on a cathode ray tube, okay? And so they got television in place, and, you know, I was right there in DC, we had TV early. And in innocent drug culture, okay? So they needed those three things in place by 1950s, okay? You had the beatniks, right? So they, it didn't happen. We weren't supposed to go here, but as boomers did go here, we cohere it as hippies around a joint being smoked around a circle with a little bit of LSD thrown in. Mm, okay, because see with LSD, you can distract, you can make people wear white sheets, okay? But you can't control people like you can with opium and heroin. I mean, heroin's got a very simple dynamic. Here, kid, you want some? Oh, you want some more? Oh, how about your friends? Okay, I mean, that's a basic dynamic with that, okay? And because see, what my dad said about the Vietnam War about drugs, it's absolutely right, because see, what they were doing, they were sending American boys and girls, Canadian boys and girls, Australian boys and girls, Korean boys and girls, and a couple other boys and girls to Vietnam, okay? But like in World War II, you signed up, you didn't know when you was coming home, okay? But Vietnam War, you coming home after one year, okay? So a bunch of these kids got addicted to the heroin that was being proffered to them by anybody who was 12 years and up in Vietnam. And an interesting thing about that is, a lot of the people just dropped it cold turkey, but a bunch of them didn't, and then, and they're spread all around the country, all around the world, and what does a junkie do? A junkie sells junk, okay? So, the, you know, because you know, there's this whole big thing about, you know, the hippies and everything, it's just a CIA project and all that type of stuff, right? And I look at it as, well, maybe they tried, okay? But it's more like the mad scientist and the experiment got way out of his hands, way out of control, okay? And so, but so, us hippies, we cohere it as a generation, okay? And, oh, they did, History Channel did a big two-hour special on the hippies, okay? And they said, what came out of the hippies? They said, the personal computer and the internet, okay? And see, those are the tools that we're using to fight the corruption of people using secrecy to lie, cheat, and steal, okay? Because see, the personal computer allows me, allows me to be a publisher, allows you to be a podcast, okay? And then the internet allows us to tell people about it and talk about it, okay? And so, how are we gonna get rid of this corruption if we don't know about it, okay? We're gonna get rid of it if we don't know about it. And if we start to understand it, okay? Then we can get rid of this corruption because again, these people ain't gods, they're just people, okay? And they're using their secrecy to lie, cheat, and steal, okay? And, you know, destroy the United States of America. I mean, what our founders went through, okay? To create this country of government, of and by and for the people, you know? We aren't taking our orders from no king, we aren't taking our orders from any pope or whatnot, you know, we're taking our orders from the people. 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Well, meaning it wasn't an accidental thing that just happened with some innovative geniuses in Silicon Valley. Well, I mean, everything happens, for some reason or another. Do I think that there's a master plan back there? Yeah, exactly. Like the internet we know was created by DARPA. The DARPA net. And Jock Valle, I think had a huge, or no, Jock Valle was GPS, I think. The guy in Switzerland, but see, what happened with DARPA, okay? Again, with the internet, the people drove it into something that nobody had any idea. I mean, I've read a lot of science fiction. I was big reading in science fiction as a kid and all of that, all the Heinlein, all that stuff. And there's nothing out there that shows exactly, I mean, maybe the closest thing is Moon is a harsh mistress. But, no, basically, in the Bay area there, somebody in Berkeley says, wait a minute, I can sell my Volvo to this guy over here in Stanford. It grew up into something that nobody had any idea that it would be. I mean, it wedded itself so fast to the financial markets and all kinds of things. So, no, I do not think that what the internet has become was some sort of, some guy in DARPA many years ago said, oh yeah, yeah, that's what it's gonna be. You don't think it was some big, broad-spanning overall control plan by the elites to like, look, we're gonna create this thing called the internet. It's gonna secretly spy on everyone around the world. You know, similar to how the creation of Google happened with Sergey Brin getting groomed and visited by the people from CIA and NSA. Yeah, yeah, well, that was, you know, yes, I mean, there's that aspect to it, but they can't control everything and they can't control every person, you know? No, certainly not. And people are driving things way beyond what their control mechanism, I mean, that's how come the corruption is so much in our face these days. You know, I mean, it's quite in our face, the corruption. It is, and I wonder what that's doing. It's, on one hand, I feel like it's getting out of their control because it is so blatant in our face. And on the other hand, I feel like, is it really out of their control? Can they just let it out and drive people crazy enough to where nobody knows where the line between illusion and reality is? And people are just gonna be stuck in this mass psychosis and fighting each other over everything. Well, you know, we've done some AI and we're looking on doing another AI book. And one of the things that that gentleman talks about is that it's easier for them to control a divided society than it is, you know, so it might behoove them, you know, to divide people. And yeah, I mean, it's an old standard thing, divide and conquer, you know. And it seems like with this Epstein stuff, that the old media establishment is doing their best to use the most bipartisan story of my lifetime, which is Jeffrey Epstein, to divide or distract from it and to make it more partisan. And to make it, and to even just to push it aside, you know, things like calling it a Democrat hoax and all this other stuff. When I feel like that this Epstein story is the biggest bridge between both sides of the political spectrum I've ever seen. And it seems like, like it baffles my mind how you can have all of these social justice riots over things like the George Floyd thing and other things where you see people getting, you know, streets getting burned and all this other stuff. And then Jeffrey Epstein, no one does a thing about it. No one seems to care. And it's like, you have way more people being abused and victimized and murdered over this. Why do you think, why do you think that is? Have you thought about that? Well, just from my experience, okay, in the 60s and 70s in anti-war, okay, you could follow the anti-war up to their leaders and you would end up with a bunch of commie CIA people, okay? Because, you know, it was behooping them to, you know, to have it under control, okay? And, you know, and the whole thing about, you see the Spanish-American war, one thing that that did, we then started having a war like every 20 years. Yeah. Okay? What did your daddy do in the war? What did your daddy do in the war? You know, so it creates that mentality. Okay, so one of the things that they were trying to create there too, because they wanted this division, it was to, you know, have this anti-war and, you know, well, they're, you know, dirty evil people and blah, blah, blah, blah, because, you know, one of the things that, when I first started talking to people in the 70s a little bit about what my daddy said and my little bit of research, somebody looked at me and said, you're a conspiracy theorist. And I said, what's a conspiracy theorist? You know, so I took it on as an intellectual discipline. Okay, and one of the, again, I like books. So I went into every bookstore I could find, okay? And I said, take me to your conspiracy section. And all of them had at least one book. Oh, okay, so I took these books and, you know, started reading them after a while. I said, wait a minute. You know, because I got a book that, you know, blames it on the Mormons. I got a book that blames it on the Roman Catholics. Okay, I got a book that blames it on the Masons. I got a book that blames it on the Jews. I got a book that blames it on the secular humanists. Okay, so I said, these are like formula books, okay? You know, I don't like you. You don't like me, you know? Let's throw stones back and forth, okay? So again, you know, by controlling the extremes, you control the middle, okay? That's why you have all the, you know, the weird stuff on the hard right and the weird stuff on the hard left, okay? Because by, again, by controlling the extremes, you control the middle, okay? So, that's interesting. It's definitely a wild world. I mean, you know, we did this book called The Nebula by a Belgian writer, and it was based on a Belgian state police report, okay? And they, you know, what do police do? Well, we'll put an undercover guy in, right? You know, he rises up and up and up in these things. He gets to the top and he founds that there's a whole bunch of groups all called the order, okay? But they're different flavors, okay? You might have a gay one, an Islam one, a Jewish one, you know, whatever. Different order for each flavor society. Right, and then, you know, you say, well, now, what are these people gonna do, you know? This one, they don't trust this one over here, so what are they gonna do? scapegoats. Well, they're gonna say, hey, have a couple of your people join my circle and we'll have a couple of your people join my circle, okay? And so you have these interlocking circles and then you have a council type thing. But, and the other thing that the secret societies have is they've been keeping records for, you know, hundreds of years, okay? And so they have it like a column, horoscope column, economic column, you know, different things so that they can keep track of things and then also if they see a similar situation, they say, well, hey, well, this is what happened back then. You know, maybe we can look at that, but what we have going on now is, you know, like that fourth turning, we have a major paradigm shift happening. Yeah. Okay. And what those guys show is that every time you have a major paradigm shift, no matter who you are, okay, things are gonna change big time, you know, okay? So during a time like this, the quote unquote powers that be, or, you know, gonna try and pull out all stops so that as the shifting happens, they land on their feet, right? So, and I'm very hopeful for the future again. I truly think that by, you know, continuing to expose this corruption, okay, we can hopefully, you know, come to a situation where we can deal with it. Yeah, where do you think all of this goes? How do you think, like, do you think there'll be a massive restructuring of the government or how government works? Or, like, my opinion is, you know how they throw those big tents over the houses to fumigate it of all of the termites? That's what they need to do to the United States government. Well, you know, I go along with something like that, you know, I mean, there was a huge restructuring after Watergate, okay? There was a huge restructuring after Watergate. There was a lot of, you know, lawyers put into different places to make sure that people just couldn't, you know, go off the rails like some of that they did. And, you know, like Nixon, I mean, how did Nixon get his job? That's a good question, I don't know. He blackmailed the Dulles brothers. Really? Yeah, yeah. He was a lawyer running around New York City, wrapping up some of the contracts, okay? And the Dulles's were in constant a mansion out in Long Island, okay? And they were bringing in not one or two or 10, but thousands of Nazis against direct written orders from Harry Truman, okay? The Dulles brothers were. The Dulles brothers were. For what? Well. This was pre-paperclip? This is pre-paperclip, post-paperclip, and part of paperclip. Okay. Okay. And because they were their friends, I mean, Dulles did Operation Sunrise. He, you know, did a piece of paper, you know, with General Wolfe before the real surrender. And then he brought over Richard Galen, okay, to run the Galen organization. I don't know who Richard Galen is. Richard Galen ran the Intelligence for the Nazis, mostly in Eastern Europe. Okay. And he was in constant a, set up the Galen organization. So you said Nixon got blackmail on the Dulles brothers. And that's how he got into the power. That's fucking crazy. And Nixon also was the head of some sort of commission, like 15-0, something commission. Well, Operation 40 basically. Yeah, Operation 40. Yeah, there was a, yeah, there was some sort of 15-12, I wanna say it was or something like that. 54-01. That sounds right. Yeah. And he was working with that billionaire dude who had the ship that recovered the submarine. Hughes. Howard Hughes. Hughes. Well, you know, basically after Dulles, they sent Prescott Bush to take care of Richard Nixon. And, you know, he introduced him to a bunch of the gangsters in LA and whatnot. I turned the mob down twice. You turned the mob down? Mm-hmm. For what? What were they offering? Well, I was a salesman selling a prerecorded video. And... What kind of video? Well, I was sound of music, you know, whatever, you know, at the very beginning there, there was, you know, we had one sheet of paper, we had both VHS and Beta on it there. And I was at the CES show, Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago. Yeah. And I was a typical salesman. I ain't making enough money. And they said, go meet Guido up at the top of the stairs. And I go up there and he's up there and he sees I'm a hippie. And so he offers me Cheech and Chong movies that aren't even in the theater. Because at this point in time, you could get, you know, easy hundred bucks for Superman or Star Wars and stuff because they weren't out officially. And, but I just, I don't know, I didn't like them. Yeah. I said, no. And then later on, they wanted to set up a used warehouse in Portland. And I knew it'd be used, but there'd also be a bunch of black market stuff there. And they made sure that I knew that the lounge where they did the thing, right, was to meet their boss that he owned it. And I get there and he brings three picture books. His picture book of his mansion, his picture book of his horses, his picture book of his cars. And, but you only tell those guys yes once. And I'd been around the block enough to know that. So I told them no. Yeah. That's a good move. So, yeah, Nixon and Howard Hughes went through the mafia to try to whack Castro, right? Well, you had Ed Landstil, the guy that replaced my dad. He used to come over to the family house to, he was head of operation Mongoose, okay, which was the thing that brought the mob and CIA together to kill Castro. For my money, Landstil wrote the script for the JFK assassination. I mean, there's- You think he wrote the, Landstil wrote the script? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had Pegasus. Pegasus was set up by Truman, okay, when he signed the CIA into operation. And it was to, it was mostly enable intelligence people, but a couple other people. And they were to go off reservation and to look in and see what was going on. And if anything, Hinky was all going on, they were supposed to tell the president. And there's a guy by the name of Trent Parker, and he had a tap on Hoover's phone, okay? And before the assassination, they got a conversation with Hoover and Johnson, okay? They're so blackmailable, they're in your pocket. Yeah, those guys are fucks, sick fucks. And then you had Alan Dulles, okay? He's a consigliore, okay? And then you had George H.W. Bush on this conversation. And he brings Skull and Bones, the whole Skull and Bones people, April Herrerman and whatnot, and Prescott. And then you had David Rockefeller, excuse me, Nelson Rockefeller. Yeah. And he brings David in. And that's your basic crew, okay? And then you see, I mean, when you have a conspiracy, I mean, hey, you wanna go kill the president with me? You don't do that. What you do is you hold it very tight and then you lie. You lie to those people to get them into the position that you want them to be in when the action happens. Have you heard of John Newman? Oh, yeah. He's got a great grip on all the moving parts in the JFK story. John's okay, but no, I've been at conferences where he said, hey, I was wrong, okay? That's a good thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I mean, he used to put in that James Jesus Angleton was a big part of it. And James Jesus Angleton again, got his job by blackmailing the Dulles brothers, okay? Because Alan came to him and said, you know, there's a bunch. How do you do that? How do you get your get a job by black? It seems like... He didn't do the background checks on a bunch of Dulles's friends. He was out of counterintelligence. I know that. I'm just saying, how do you present that? It seems like a dangerous way to get a job to use the blackmail. And it's funny, you know, if you read about blackmailers, one thing that blackmailers tend to do is they tend to get paranoid. Okay, and James Jesus and Richard were both rather paranoid, you know? And why would you bring James Jesus in? You know, there's no reason to bring James Jesus in. You just do the deed and then you let James twist in the wind and create mud for you. Yeah. Okay. So Newman's whole take on JFK was it was the military coup. He said it was Lemitzer and the Joint Chiefs of Staff that wanted the all out nuclear war with China and Russia. And basically Kennedy was getting in the way of that, trying to stop it. So... Well, then why didn't they do it after that? And why didn't they do it after Kennedy died? Because he has a good answer for that. And I don't remember what that answer is. But basically the point was at that point in time, the spring before his death was when the U.S. had the most nukes and Russia had the least nukes. And we figured they actually, I think this was documented. They said that we would lose something like 60 million people, but they would lose 150. So it was like... Insane. It was... That's insane. Yeah. That's insane. Okay, no, no. It wasn't the military. It wasn't a military. I mean, you had to lay the military off yet and tell them particular lies and different things like that. But the object of it was the American people. I mean, you kill the president in broad daylight, okay? With a story that a five-year-old can see through. Mm-hmm. Okay? Well, I mean, that tells the American people, well, hell, you ain't charging your government, okay? Yeah, this is another thing that there's a million different flavors of the Kennedy death. There's people say it's everything. There are people say it's Israel, it's aliens, it's nukes, it's whatever. Yeah, no, it was a psychological. I think it was an intentional psychological trauma experiment on the public. It wasn't an experiment. They knew what they were doing. I mean, mind control, let's talk about mind control. Yeah, let's do it. Actually, let me take a quick break. I gotta take a peek real quick. Okay. All right, we'll be right back. Mind control, we're gonna jump right back into. Tell me about mind control. Well, mind control, you've got a couple of factors to mind control. First one is trance, okay? And everybody takes trance differently. Some people go deep really fast. Some people, it'll last long, but everybody affects trance differently. Then you have role playing, okay? If you would, would you do something, not as yourself, but would you do it if you were a total of the dog, okay? And then you have trauma, okay? And ritual, okay? And those are the basic things of mind control. Now, they call it Operation Bluebird. Why did they call it Operation Bluebird? Okay, Metrolinx Play, okay? Because in Metrolinx Play, there's like five pages of characters. I mean, there's like milk, water, the luxury of being a slave, the luxury of being rich. I mean, there's just all kinds of off-the-wall characters in it, okay? So where was Metrolinx Play first put on? 1906 in Moscow, same place you had Pavlov and his dogs. Okay, see, mind control, they move it around too, because if you keep it in one place too long, people start looking at it and seeing it there. It's the mob learned that too. I mean, if you have a house ill-repute, okay? You have the same girls there all the time. The revenue on that house goes down, okay? So they had to move the girls around, okay? And because like, you know, if you look at the Thule Society, okay, where Hitler came out of, okay? You've got a lot of mind control, different things coming out of there. And so, it gets down to a very technical level, again, too. The flicker and the TV, okay? And different things like that. But just like you can do mind control to a single person, a single body, you can do mind control to a nation, to a community, to anything that's a unital value. You smash that unital value, okay? You create altars. Right, right. The two political parties are based, that's a version of mind control. So we're to keep people in check and control them and fit them into different ideologies, right? Well, it has aspects of it and can be used that way. It's a very high level, broad version of mind control. I mean, the deepest, most sinister aspects of mind control go back to the Cold War, days with like MKUltra and the Finders. Those Finders aren't, well, you're Cold War, okay. Yeah. What was the, can you explain the Finders? Well, basically they came across these people in a park in Florida, if I remember correctly. And then they traced them back to a place outside of Maryland. And again, it's about getting kids, okay, and start doing dastardly things to them to create altars. And then it- To create like Manchurian candidates, is that kind of thing? Right, well, you know, there's mind control survivor conferences. I strongly recommend go to one now then, okay. And I went to one and I went to one and we got, this is good 20 years ago, and there was like, the women, there's at that point in time, one of the biggest, because they've got to experiment, they've got to figure out how it works, okay. And the number one, one that they work on is women that work for the federal government, okay. And so we got about, it wasn't quite 20, it was maybe about 18 of these ladies in a row and by their ages, okay. And we started talking and asking them questions. And you could see where the ones, the older ones, they were basically trying shotgun approaches, trying to figure out, okay, what do I have to do to the brain to make certain things happen? Where you got down to the end, they were just using stun guns. And they had the different Delta and different aspects that they groom people for, either spies, assassins, sex, and different things like that. And you have people there that have been used in Masonic ceremonies as little kids, because they're this innocent type thing in their rituals. And it's really quite insidious, but again, just like you can do it to one person, you can do it to a country. And because it shatters the mind. And then, and they're always after people that need a strong father figure, okay. And like Lee Harvey Oswald. And now, do you know who Michael Rupert is? I know the name, you can remind me who he is. He wrote a book from the wilderness, okay. And I met him through the CIA drugs crowd. And he was a gentleman that went through mind control as a kid, okay. And because like the JFK community, that's a large community looking into it. CIA drugs, very, very small community, okay. And we were making some inroads. And so they sent a Deutsch, the CIA director to LA, and Rupert gets up there and confronts him. Oh yes, I know this, that video is incredible. Right, and then he becomes a quote unquote, a leader in the CIA drugs thing. Well, I was putting on CIA drug symposiums. And he started throwing his weight around and stuff. Hopsecker was the first person that says, there's something hinky there going on. And he tried to, he did make me not have one person there at one of the symposiums. And which I was very sad because he was soon run over by a truck and he was a DIA. He was? No, not Rupert. This gentleman by the name of Brian Quig, who was a DIA agent and was adding quite a bit to the discussion. And then all of a sudden, 9-11 happened. And the CIA drugs email list, we were very much into deconstructing government lies and everything. So as soon as 9-11 happened, the first thing that was said was, okay, everybody turn on your VCRs, okay, and start recording everything. And, and you know, the powers that be hit that little email list to the sent somebody in there. Well, the first thing, you know, 9-11 was you had the boing-boying.com, okay? The what? Boing-boying, okay, which there was no planes in DC. No plane hit the Pentagon. Well, if you've been to DC, the Pentagon is surrounded by freeways, okay? There was plenty of people in DC who saw that plane hit, okay, but if you start the meme out there that, oh, there's no planes in DC, it makes, you know, the people in Congress that could actually do something, think that we're all nuts, okay? And then there was a lady by the name of Webfairy, okay? And she started the thing about, oh, there's no planes in New York either, they're all what's it, UFOs, they're hall grams. Yeah, yeah, and that kind of stuff. And then you had the kicker come in where this other guy came in, Sean McBride, he comes in and says, oh, the Jews did it all, okay? Which is a way to, you know, shut down any conspiracy thing, you just, you know, say the Jews did it all. And, and, and we've come to find out that Sean McBride wasn't Sean McBride, he was John Foster Berlay, okay? He was a spook who started, you know, doing dirty and even before the internet on bulletin boards. And, you know, they tried to take that over. And then, and then Rupert became very big in 9-11 and helped him do that. And he, you know, before we had the first big 9-11 conference in San Francisco, all of a sudden, Mike goes to Russia for two weeks for an economic conference. And then he comes back and says, well, you know, 9-11, oh, we're just reshuffling the chairs and the Titanic. I'm gonna do the old conspiracy two-step tango and take you to peak oil. That's really the big conspiracy that's going on and the big bad thing that's happening, which was complete bullshit. Okay, excuse my language. And because, you know, he went through the mind control as a kid and he brought another person into CIA drugs who openly talked about going through the mind control training as a kid, Catherine Austin Fitz. Okay, she does- Oh, I know her. Yeah, I know her. Yeah, she's a very smart, very nice lady. I like her a whole lot. She doesn't like to talk about that now, but- What, would tell me what happened to her? She went through mind control as a kid. You know, that's how she got on to be on Dylan Reed. Okay, it used to be- How do you know she went through mind control as a kid? She told me, she talked about it. Oh, publicly? Yeah, yeah, she didn't like to, well, we were- How did this happen? We were private conversations, but yeah. How did this happen to her? I don't know, you know? She just, that's all she said. I went through mind control as a kid. Well, she went through more, but I mean, this was good 20-some years ago. You know, I'm 70-some. I don't remember everything, Lord have mercy. And it's like, you know, Gerald Ford went through mind control training. You know, he went through the football program, okay? Along with Ted Gunderson, okay? Who was a special agent in charge of FBI and LA, okay? Because you see, you can follow the mind control training, you know, a lot of it came over from Europe, okay? Went into the Army, okay? And then when the Air Force went out of the Army, most of it went to the Air Force, okay? And there's, when you look at mind control for a long time, you find what I call them wells. In other words, they're places where there's been a lot of activity for a long period of time, okay? And where did Gerald Ford come from? What's Gerald Ford's real name? Jerry? Leslie King, Jr. Leslie King, Jr.? King. King. Jr., yeah. Yeah. How do you get Gerald Ford out of Leslie King? Well, his mom remarried, but there are always after kids that need a, you know, good, good, need a father figure. And so you can see where this mind control was in, in, in academia for a while, okay? And his academia said, okay, I've got one person here and I can, I can have him work with me. But, you know, I'd like to see if I could get two people together. And if I can, you know, get them to work together, okay? And they decided football was the place to do that, okay? And Alonzo Stag, a member of the Order of Skull and Bones is considered the father of American football. Alonzo Stag? Stag, yes. He created American football. S-T-A-G-G. And so you look at Gerald Ford, where was he as a football player? He started off in Omaha, okay? A big well, okay? And then, and then where did he go from Omaha? He went to Michigan, okay? They liked Michigan. They could give, give people drugs and take them to Mackinac Island and think that, hey, you took them back a hundred years. You're a powerful person, okay? And then where did he go after Michigan? He went to Quantico and then he went to Yale, okay? And that's where he got his law degree and he was an assistant football coach there, okay? And, you know, he came in real handy, didn't he? Okay, during the Watergate and all of that. I mean, and then, the, oh, what's his name? The LA guy. Ted Gunderson, okay? I mean, you know, he's been at my house, you know, I spent a couple nights there and, you know, I talked to him about it directly. He told him, I said, Ted, you're being used and abused, okay? Ted was out of the football program too, okay? Where did he play his college, his high school football? Colorado Springs, any Air Force around there, okay? Then where did he go from Colorado Springs? He went to Omaha and then where did he go from Omaha? He went to Quantico and then Yale, okay? So it's a, they, the powers that be have affected our history a lot with us not even knowing it. So the NFL was created by the CIA. I didn't say NFL, I said. American football. American football, longs host tag, yeah. I mean. That's pretty crazy. 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You said earlier, or a couple of minutes ago when we were talking about 9-11, you said there was less of evidence and eyewitnesses that there was a plane that hit the Pentagon? Yeah, yeah. What is your overall take on 9-11? What do you think that was? Again, it was a mass trauma hit against the American people. So it was intentional and the American government was complicit on it? Well, the secret societal part of the American government was complicit with it. I mean, not the whole American government was complicit in it, no. There is this, I saw this video on X, someone sent me this video of this group of students doing this crazy art project in one of the Twin Towers and it took up an entire floor, was basically shut down for months, right before 9-11. Are you familiar with this? I gotta find this real quick, I'll send this to you, Steve. Yeah, there was, I think I might have sent that, that's it, that's it, you found it. No, no, the guy on the right, that interview on the right. Check this out, we got headphones right here, if you put these on you can hear the audio. All right, press play. Good evening, you're watching the Artist Forum, my name is Ellie Fordeis and I will be your host for this segment. This evening I'm very, very happy to be up at Worldviews, which is a wonderful art exhibit and presentation that the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council has been putting on here at the World Trade Center, number one, Building World Trade Center. And I have with us tonight, Mukhtar Kokash. And Mukhtar, can you tell us something about this program and your involvement with it? Sure, this is actually an artist residency program. Artists apply and are selected by a jury to be in residence on the 91st floor for a period of approximately six months. And it's a raw space, it's a shared studio experience for approximately 20 artists. And they get to work in this environment, some people paint the views, some people work on issues of corporate culture, some people are interested in issues of scale, others meditate and do very ephemeral works because as you can imagine, the views are very inspiring and the light is very beautiful. This program was actually started as it is, is three years ago. However, approximately four years ago, an experiment to have artists in the World Trade Center was initiated by an artist called Kar Scorza and who approached the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council about the desire to paint from the World Trade Center during the winter because it was convenient and the World Trade Center would offer. So go back to the very first frame of that video, it shows like a wide angle of some of the art all over the floor and the walls. Just refresh it and see if it restarts it. I want you to just see, so right there, let's pause that. You see how it says exit on the back wall and on the floor? And then if you play it, it shows like a different area where it says that they have the word exit everywhere. It's just so strange because there was, right, yeah, look at that. Freaky. Because there are descriptions of people talking about crazy, like floors being shut down months before that and like construction and crazy jackhammering going on on one of the shut down floors. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that there was, there had to be some pre-planning on the whole thing to get it to happen, but. And then in Epstein files, you have that whole shadow commission thing where they're emailing Gey Lane asking her if she wants to be a part of the 9-11 shadow commission. And then there's that whole missing tronch of emails between like 1999 and 2001. What are they trying to hide? I mean, I don't know, I'm just a kid looking at this from the outside trying to figure out what's going on. And I mean, it's quite obvious that, you know, there's all kinds of occult things about 9-11. We did a book called the most dangerous book in the world where, you know, the guy deconstructs all the different occult lines to the act. And then have you ever talked to Richard Grove at tragedyandhope.com? No. I strongly recommend that. Richard is supposed to be dead. He was supposed to be in 9-11 that day, but he had a car that had just got done and he picked it up from his, the garage and he didn't get to work on time that day. And so he's done a lot of incredible work on that. And he's quite, erudite around about the whole thing. Interesting. I strongly recommend you talking to him too. Yeah, well, I'll check him out. You know, another interesting character tied into all this stuff and the Epstein stuff is Howard Lutnik, who is still employed by Trump's White House after all of this shit. You know, he was on a podcast six months before the Epstein files came out, absolutely lying through his face hole about how he met him one time and then made a dying vow with his wife to never ever be in touch with that despicable human being ever again. And he lives what, nine steps away from it? Yeah. Yep. 11 E 71st Street and Epstein was like 90 71st Street. Right, right, right. And so they shared a wall between their two houses. And there's tons of, I don't know how many, but there was a bunch of emails between them where they were going to, like all the things in that podcast interview, he said that he vowed never to be a part of with Epstein, fundraisers, this, that, whatever. He was literally at all those exact types of events with Epstein. Not to mention he was literally going to his island with a boatload of people and there's photos of them together hanging out. Like the fact that this guy still has a job is insane. And he was one of the ones who famously made those crazy bets on the airlines right before the 9-11 happened. He was. Oh, wow, wow. Yeah, no, I mean, it's crazy. I mean, the whole Epstein story, you know, we did One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb. And that was built on, you know, a bunch of other books that we did, like the Franklin scandal. Mm-hmm. Okay. And, you know, I mean, I'd been, because of, you know, Franklin cover up and all of that, I'd been talking to people in Omaha. And one day I get a call from these people in Omaha and tell me, well, there's this guy from Rolling Stone. He's going to break the whole story open. Oh, Nick Bryant. Yeah. And I said, I heard that and I said, sounds to me like a vacuum cleaner operation. Okay, basically where they send in somebody to find out who knows what and all kinds of stuff like that. Right. And, but I finally, I got ahold of Nick and we talked and he said, well, you know, he was a member of this group that was in Greenwich Village and he knew everybody in New York City. And so he was, the book was going to come out from New York and I gave him a couple of books and said, okay, well, remember I'm here and a couple of years later he came back and says, yeah, New York isn't going to touch this. And so we did Franklin scandal. And, you know, and then I saw Whitney, well, somewhere on, you know, on my computer screen. I said, hmm, he seemed like an interesting gal. And I got ahold of her and I says, you must have a book in you. And she says, yeah, I think I do. And, you know, it took a little while because she got pregnant and COVID and whatnot. And so by the time she delivered it to me, it was, you know, 900,000 pages or something. And I says, people aren't gonna. 900,000 pages. No, 900 or 1000. I was gonna say Jesus. And, and so I says, you know, people don't, don't like those bigger books to read, you know. Right. And, and she says, well, it's kind of two books. So we broke it apart. And, you know, it just, I mean, it really nails it. It shows how, you know, it gives a history of, of honey traps. Okay. And to do a honey trap. Okay. Basically, first off, you need a room, you need a building, you know, and then you need some little boys and girls. Okay. And then you got to get the whole place wired, you know, for video and sound. Okay. And then you're going to need a manager and the manager is going to want security. You know, okay. So it's, it's a costly operation. It's a big operation. And she showed how that in the second book that, well, you know, we don't need to do a honey trap in the room anymore. All we need to do is be able to hack into somebody's cell phone and we know all about them and whatnot. So, you know, how does this world really work? Okay. It works through deceit and secrecy and a lot of blackmail and stuff like that. And, you know, I really think that, you know, now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country. Okay. And, and we can, you know, stand up if it takes going in the streets, takes going in the streets, but we need to have government of and buying for the people and not government buy. Yeah. Well, it seems that ship sailed. Well, so what are you, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? You just going to, just going to live with it and say, hey, that ship sale. No, you know, don't, don't, don't you want to have, I mean, you know, I mean, you know, I, I, the boomers and you know, right around there, you know, I mean, we're basically a bridge between the analog and the digital. Okay. I mean, when, you know, we grew up, I mean, there was, you're lucky you've got three TV stations. Okay. And, you know, and, you know, it's a much different world today. And that's generally how, how history goes. But, you know, I think that, you know, all the, you know, the constitution is still there. Okay. And a lot of our institutions are here. Okay. And a bunch of them have been corrupted, but there's no reason why we can't take them back and have government of and buying for the people. How do you, how would we do that? How would that happen? Well, through voting, through, through, through elections. I think people have already lost faith in voting and elections. Well, they have, but what do you, you know, I just, I don't know, you've got to, you got to stand, we got to stand up for our country. We got it, we have to. What was the famous Thomas Jefferson quote? Every certain amount of time, you have to spill the blood of the tyrants on the tree of liberty. Well, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. Okay. But, you know, I think it can be done around a table. Every 200 years, I think it was. Yeah. And, and through, through information, I truly do. I think, I think it can be done. So, you know, maybe I'm, maybe I'm just, you know, silly hippie, but I truly think that our country is worth spending time and energy to restore. Mm-hmm. You know? I mean, it's, it's, we're people just like, you know, the people that, that were in the founding, you know, the founders and, you know, they stood up and I think that, I think it can be done. And, you know, it has to be done through voting. And yeah, you know, we had more people not vote than people that voted for either party last time. Really? Yeah. You know, because yeah, people have lost faith in a lot of things. Yeah. You can't really blame them. Well, I understand that, but what, you know, again, what, what are you, what are you gonna do? You just gonna give up and get drifted. Have your, have your country get drifted away? No, you can't give up. I don't know what it is. Is it, is it, is it because it seems like it's a problem that's too big to fix, you know? Why do people take so much more action over other trivial, not trivial, but other much smaller scale problems in our society? Because maybe it affects them more directly. Maybe this doesn't affect them as directly. They think so. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, like I said, this Epstein, this Epstein thing, I would, I would expect like full on anarchy in the streets over something like this. Speaking of Epstein, what, there was a woman who was a victim of him, who you were working on a book. Well, she, she wasn't a victim, but she knew four different victims in, in South Africa. And she was a South African lady. What was her connection to Epstein? Which did she have any connection or she just knew the victims? No, no, she just, she had gone to some of these victims in South Africa had gone to the same girl's school that she had gone to. Okay. Okay. And so she, this one called her up and started talking to her before she talked to her mom. And she had been trafficked four times, got to playing four times from South Africa to go to New York. First time she goes to New York, she barely even gets to New York and they take her directly to the island. And, you know, she gets, didn't, and she gets taken to Paris. And then the last time she got taken to Zorro Ranch. And Epstein didn't answer there. He, she said that he gave her a, what she felt like was a pelvic exam. And then this survivor woke up in the middle of a, on a, on a medical table with, you know, medical instruments up above her. And this lady said, it's okay, just, just go back to sleep. And when she got back to South Africa, she had a wound here in her, in her belly. And it seemed that they were looking at, at particular blood lines and particular blood types and harvesting eggs and, you know, doing eugenics and transhumanism and baby farming and stuff like that. And this, this lady connected a whole bunch of these links. And then a little bit after she signed a contract with us, she started to get harassed. Her place got broken too. She got followed. And they got the, the electronic harassment got to be so much that her boyfriend went into jail with, I mean, jail, went to hospital with auditory problems. And she finally had enough and just walked away from five years worth of work. Okay. What kind of auditory problems? That's all I heard. Okay. I was told was, was, you know, auditory. And, and, and this was a book that was going to, you know, it was going to sell well. It was going to do good for her. Because basically she was focusing on the scientist instead of the sex part of it all. And because, you know, The science of it. Yeah. Because Epstein, you know, wasn't just getting girls and young women. He was getting, you know, all these scientists to pay and paying money to have them to get together and paying money to Harvard for their brain stuff. And this is very similar to the MK ultra type stuff. Because like I said, you know, they move, they, it gets moved around. And like one thing that she brought up in the book is how every girl, when they come into the Epstein's place, they're brought into the kitchen first and they're given a bottle of water. Okay. And there's all kinds of things that you can put in water like scopalamine, I can't say the word very well. And, and, and different things. So, and, and, and then again, you have these girls and you can, you know, give them one thing and see what happens, give them another thing. So it's continuation of these, you know, MK ultra type experiments there too. So. Yeah. And there's those emails with him and Peggy Siegel. Peggy Siegel is like the famous New York PR lady, Hollywood lady, where he's emailing her saying, I need you to help me find my next baby mama, where he's clearly trying to have children. Right. And she's advising him on how to do it. She's like, oh, you gotta find some, you know, you gotta find a girl who isn't gonna get entitled or isn't gonna get emotionally attached and all this stuff, just sick. Well, the whole thing is, is, is, is rather sick. Don't you think? And, you know, to go back to your question how did they, you know, Epstein, well, you know, his, his dad, well, no, that was, that was Barr's dad, wasn't it? Yeah, that was, that was Donald Barr. Yeah, Donald Barr. Yeah. Yeah. Roughly 5,000 emails between Peggy Siegel and Epstein sent between 2009 and 2019. Can you imagine having 5,000 emails with one person? I don't know if you do. I mean, I don't have 1,000 emails with one person, I don't think. Yeah, she represented Spielberg, Weinstein, Barry Levinson. Siegel opened up about what she gained from her association with Epstein who died by suicide in 2019. Sure. Epstein's still alive, you know that, right? Well, you know, I hear people tell me that, you know, I mean, we did a thing in LA with Sherry Seymour and Hop Sicker and at the end, somebody came in and said Kurt Cobain's still alive and all these people are all alive and whatnot. I mean, again, it sets up dissonance, you know, and stuff. I mean, it's again, it's part and parcel of dividing and conquering and, you know, and creating dissonance. Because they don't want to all be on the same page and understand their corruption. It's a distraction, right? Whether he's alive or not, it doesn't change the fact that we know the truth about him, right? It's just you want to create a story, that makes sense. But it is just crazy that the prostate email, the email with the doctor about going over his blood work and his medications and all that. And he's like, because the doctor's like, in the email, you don't have a prostate, right? And Jeff's response, correct. And in his official autopsy report, they inspected his prostate and it was impeccable. Call my wife. Calling UK wildlife. Voice assistance, not working for you. BlackRock Investment Trust has a lot working for you. Get to know them at blackrock.com. Capital at risk, marketing material. BlackRock Investment Management UK Limited, authorized and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Hey, call my wife. Calling UK wildlife. No, call my wife. Here's a cheese knife, Leicester. Voice assistance, not working for you. With BlackRock Investment Trust's hands-on investing, long-term approach to growth and regular dividends, you have a lot working for you. I live in Kent. Get to know blackrockinvestmenttrusts at blackrock.com. You have a lot working for you. Capital at risk, marketing material. BlackRock Investment Management UK Limited, authorized and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Well, you don't, I mean... Is that some sort of weird limited hangout or is that just, is that insane evidence that he's still alive? That's fucking bonkers. You know, I mean, I don't know and really can't know, okay? And again, it creates dissonance and creates it so that we're fighting, well, is Epstein alive or not? Not what he did and what all happened to us. Yeah, and the Zoro Ranch thing, I think they just started to investigate that, right? Right, right. That's the one that was kind of been on the back burner. No one ever paid attention to that one. Yeah, yeah, no, the FBI told them, don't look into it. Told, you know, the people in New Mexico were gonna look into it and they told them not to. Yeah. And I mean, and there's underground things there. Well, the new owner's turning it into a church. He's gonna bring, that's where Jesus is gonna come back when he returns to Zoro Ranch. Oh boy, oh boy. Well, I hope we get pictures, you know? Yeah. But yeah, no, the thing around the Zoro Ranch, I mean, it's got underground facilities to it. It's got, you know, some very strong communication links there, you know, and then it's in between, you know, the Trinity site and all these, what they say are dums down there and the aliens and all that crap, you know? So I mean, how many rabbit holes you wanna go down? Yeah, are you into the alien rabbit hole or no? Are you, check that on that one? Well. I'm kinda over that one. I, you know, I do think that, you know, there's a big universe and there's a good chance that there's other people out there, okay? But I- You think we got them though? You think we captured them? You think we did a deal with them? That's the question. Well, you know, what, when you start to, I mean, you know, I've been looking at conspiracy literature for a long time, okay? I know you have. So I, you know, I've got a whole bunch of UFO books and you know, read a lot of, and the funny thing is, is you end up with a lot of spooks, okay, when you go into theirs and then- Exactly. And then, you know, the crazy thing about, well, we got transistors from that thing and Roswell. Yeah. I mean, you can track that history down. That ain't true. Okay. And them saying that we got Velcro from that thing too, you can track that down and that's not true. That's not true that we got Velcro out of it. That was so, the two guys who wrote the book the day after Roswell, Corso, was that one of them? And then the other guy threw in the duct, not the duct tape, the Velcro shit, which allegedly was fake, right? There was no Velcro found there. How familiar are you with Jacques Valet? Oh, not a lot. He was basically one of the guys that they used for the close encounters of the third kind. He was there and he talks about, a lot of the UFOs could be psychotic type things. That's interesting, right? I've never heard that before until, I haven't read any of his books yet, but I had Peter LeVendon here recently and he was explaining to me, I was asking him, if you were the CIA and you wanted to figure out what UFO, what the phenomenon was, I'm like, how would you figure that out? And he was like, he goes, if I was in charge of the CIA and I wanted to figure out exactly what it was, I would go hunt down all of the experiencers or abductees and I would study and dissect their minds to the deepest possible way I could to figure out what it was. He thinks the secret to the phenomenon is buried in the human psyche or something like that. Well, it's been shown, I can't remember which one, but that they were, parts of mind control experiments, some of these have been shown to have been. And it's a, you know, I mean, let's look in the Bible, let me see, we got all kinds of beings in the Bible, can we, you know, cherubin, serifin, all these? This lady, Diana Pasolka, the religious studies expert who wrote that, she wrote a couple of recent books. Anyways, Jacques Vallée was one of her main sources for her first book. Which was, why is the name of that? American Cosmic was her first book. And she went to Jacques Vallée's home in San Francisco and she was looking through his library and they were talking and all this stuff. And he had this incredible personal library of books about archangels and demons and stuff like that. And he handed her this book and said, if you really want to understand the UFO phenomenon, you have to read this book. She took the book and it was called The History of Satan. And it had 666 pages and it was all French. And she actually sent it to me. We should show this, Steve. I'm gonna send you, because me and Kurt Metzger were looking for this the other day on the podcast. And Diana sent me a picture of it, of the actual book that we were searching for. This is the cover of it. And it was, I spent forever trying to find it. I just sent it to you on Air Drop, Steve. Your mind always makes up something that you, if you can't understand something, it'll show you something. It'll fill in the gaps. Yeah, this is the book. So if anybody out there watching or listening, has ever come across this book or if you ever come across this book, let us know. Cause we want to find it and we want to translate it into English. See if you can actually do some more research on that, Steve. See if we can find. So yeah, I mean, the Bible is full of crazy stories that sound like UFOs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, a wheel within a wheel and all that kind of stuff. Well, let me see. There's a bunch of people there on that mountain. A bunch of them go away. I found it. We would have to get AI to translate it for us. It's in French, right? $50 shipping and handling. Oh my gosh. It's worth it. Yeah, I believe it is in French. All of this is, yeah. Wait, can I translate? You know, whatever. Crazy stuff, man. Yeah. So, back to that woman who wrote the butterfly. Was that something about the butterfly that FCM laid in? Yeah, it was Sarah McCarthy. Sarah McCarthy. It was called Blue Butterfly based on the, Juliet Bryant was the survivor and she had a diary that had a blue butterfly on it that she had taken with her and she had allowed Sarah to copy it and read it. And so that was the title of the book in it. I found it interesting that Virginia Grafay and the butterflies kind of become a symbol for the Epstein survivors. And then earlier, you had, like the Monarch program here, supposedly. Yeah, is it called MK Monarch or something like that? Right, it's off of the puppet. It comes from a puppetry name kind of in German, yeah. Yeah, what is the background of that? Well, again, it's a program where they are getting children when they're very, very young, okay, and traumatizing them and creating altars. Yes. And then, you know, using that as a mechanism, as a control mechanism. And Springmeyer, Fritz Springmeyer, he wrote a lot about it. And I know Fritz, he's from Oregon too. And you've got to take Fritz's work with a grain of salt always because, and he even talks about there, he says, I just find this stuff and I throw it up in the air and see what happens because I was, I became friends with a person that Fritz said had been murdered and he wasn't murdered. So you have to be careful with Fritz's work, but there's a lot of good stuff in there. Yeah, was it Virginia Gouffre, who did the portrait of all the people in Epstein's life, the crazy portrait that was in the documentary that had Wexner was like the middle of it? There seems to be, there's another one of the survivors that has become a big painter. Yeah, what is the famous painting from the Epstein victim? I think it was Virginia. Virginia Roberts, maybe? No, I can't remember the name, sorry. See if you can find the painting, Steve. It's got Wexner's head in the middle of it, like a demon. But it was crazy because it was really interesting how Wexner was the center, the central figure and all of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There it is, on the top left, I believe. Yeah, that's it, he's the head of the snake. That's just a little piece of it, Steve. There's the big one. Yeah, it's Maria Farmer. Maria Farmer. Maria Farmer, right, right, right. You can only find a tiny photo of it, huh? Yeah, it's linked to a Facebook account. There's gotta be a better way to find it other than Facebook, bro. You're not gonna find it in the comments. Yeah, there you go. Oh, God. Anyways. So did we land on the moon? I don't think so. What do you think? You know, I don't know, I don't know. Look at that, there's a full panorama of it in its glory. So you got G. Lane Maxwell as a dinosaur and you have Leslie Wexner, he's like a peacock and his head is connected to the underworld where you got, it looks like Bezos there. I don't know who that guy is. I'm assuming these are all like political folks or billionaires. Is that Trump right there? It looks like. On TV? Or is that Clinton? That's Clinton on TV. Look at that. Oh my God, that's the face. Holy shit, that's the face of Clinton during, see if this was what year this was painted because that looks just like the face, facial expression Clinton made during the 2016 debate when Trump paraded all of those women to the press conference with all the women that accused Clinton of rape. You remember that during the 2016 debates? Yeah, Paula Jones. Yeah, and he literally said that on the debate stage with Hillary on national TV in front of probably the biggest audience on television history and it goes to Clinton's face when Trump says that. These are guys that used to be friends before that. They were friends leading up to this, right? And then Trump basically burns the bridge permanently forever during that debate, right? And now how strange is it that you have, now that these files come out, Trump is going, I really like Bill, I don't wanna see him get hurt in any of this stuff. I think he's innocent. And then you have Clinton during his deposition doing the same thing. I think Trump's innocent. Fucking crazy. And who is that up on top? Who are the angels? Oh my God. Go to the right. What a crazy photo. I would like to see an analysis, oh look at the owl. I would love to see an analysis of like who all the different people are in this. Anyways, yeah, the moon. Yeah, what do you think? You think we went to the moon? You know, I don't know. And my big, why I really wonder about it, okay, is supposedly there was this big alchemical operation, okay, to control the world, okay? And you know, first was to destroy primordial matter, okay? The killing of the king and then bringing the stars back to earth. You had to do those three things, okay? Destroying primordial matter was the atomic bomb at the Trinity site on the 33rd degree parallel, okay? The killing of the king is killing of Kennedy. King kill. Right next to the Trinity River, okay, 33rd degree. And then the bringing the stars back to earth was supposedly bringing the moon rocks back to Houston. Okay, so if they didn't go to the moon, okay, that last part, they didn't complete, okay? And they used, you know, subterfuge to say that we did, you know, so I mean, subterfuge, what do you mean? Lying. I'm a community college dropout, sorry. Okay, I didn't graduate, my college, myself, I started a record store. Subterfuge, you know, underhanded dealing, you know, basically trying to, you know, saying, hey, yeah, we did it, you know. So you gotta manipulate matter, you gotta bring a star back to earth and what else? Killing of the king. And kill the king. Right, right, those were the three things. Oh, that explains why there's a whole, I just learned a couple of weeks ago that there's a conspiracy theory out there that nukes aren't real, that they're fake. Oh yeah, yeah, that's- Are you familiar with that one? Oh yeah, that comes from an old, older book. And he basically, he's not saying that nukes aren't fake, he's saying that nukes only work at particular times. Is what it says. And it's a pretty crazy book, but- What is the basis of it? Why would they only work at certain times? You know, I don't remember, I read that book, Lord of Mercy, probably 30 years ago. What was it, you remember the title? No, no, I could find it out for you and get it back. And then, okay, so to kill the king, bring a star back and to manipulate matter, what happens if you do all that? You're supposed to be able to rule the world. You rule the world, according to who? This came out from James Shelby Downard, okay? And if you, James Shelby Downard was the first guy that came out with the whole King Kill 33 type thing. Yeah. Okay, and that was first printed in, Adam Purfe, Feral House, one of the Feral House books, Secret and Suppressed or something like that. And he's done a couple books out of it. He, see basically, James Shelby Downard was one of the little kids that was used in Masonic rituals. And where he started learning about that. Interesting. He's got some wild books out. He's since passed. Are you familiar with this whole Pax Judaica in times prophecy? No. It's a wild one. Basically, the theory is, I'm sure you've seen the recent news stories about how there were a bunch of people in the military about 14, I think it was 14 different branches of the military filed public complaints to the armor to another branch of the military, basically saying that their commanders in their military units were telling them and they all had the same stories and all these different complaints across the military that in for the Iran war, that their commanders said to them that Trump was anointed by Jesus to bring the return of Christ or something along these lines. This was like a biblical holy war that's commanded by the Bible or something like this. Yeah, well, yeah, I heard about that. I don't know a lot about it. I mean, it did sound something like he would, I mean, he just said that for Jesus you have to make the SAVE Act happen. I mean, I find it rather, I don't know if you wanna go as far as blasts for me, but it's pretty out there. Pretty crazy. Yeah, and I mean, if he's doing that to bring Christ back, where's the anti-Christ? So that's the thing. So that's the whole Pax Judaeca theory. So this Pax Judaeca conspiracy theory is basically that the Israeli government is trying to cause chaos around the world by doing this Iran war, creating this religious holy war between Muslims and Christians and the Jews. And by doing all this, they will bring back the anti-Christ by creating all this chaos, starting all these wars everywhere. And also intentionally stoking anti-Semitism at the same time, which is happening. You have different, if you go online, basically you can't escape it. That's people, there's low IQ, Jew hate, and there's actual legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. And the idea is if they are doing that intentionally, which it kind of seems like they are, they could encourage the diaspora to all move to Israel where they could be safe. And if they get the diaspora to go back to the holy land and at the same time bring back the anti-Christ, they will usher in the Messianic age somehow. And this is the whole Pax Judaic. I'm thinking I'm missing a couple of elements of it. Well, Hitler was gonna, there's gonna be a thousand year rike. And I mean, this is something that goes down through history, you have different things saying, well, we do this, the Lord's gonna bless us or whatnot or Messiah and different. I mean, I've got a writer, well, I mean, I don't have, he's published some of his books, Chris Bennett, okay. He mostly writes about- Did we just talk to Chris Bennett? Yeah, we interviewed him. Yeah, we talked to him. Yeah, about cannabis, but he's done a big, big, a lot of study about apocalypse and- Yeah, he's been looking into all this stuff. And the, you know, I mean, apocalypse means everything known and then Armageddon means, you know, a big, big massive war. I'd rather see apocalypse where everything is known rather than Armageddon myself. But again, you know, it comes down from choices, okay, that people made. Now, you know, you asked me earlier about secret societies and one of my mentioned was Chabad. Oh yes, Chabad, we never covered that. And you know, Chabad is basically a- Chabad Lubavitch or something? It's basically a sect that they all, comes back to a particular city and I think it's in Belarus, okay. And you have to be from that particular city to be a leader in it. And you find these, you know, these people all around Putin and you also find them all around Netanyahu. And so yeah, I do, I think that these people are using geopolitical games to play games with people. I mean, you know- They're religious ideologies. I mean, Netanyahu would be in jail if he wasn't president. Good chance that Trump would be in jail if he wasn't president too, you know. So- Why would Trump be in jail again? Well, let me see. He had this thing down here in Florida that they stopped about him having classified information. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And whatnot. And then I mean- Yeah, they tried to put him in jail. He is a adjudicated felon, you know, 34 felons, you know. You do go to jail for- What were the 34 felonies? Falsifying business records among- Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was the whole Russiagate thing was debunked though, that was all a political- It wasn't debunked. It was a Hillary Clinton scam. She was pulling off an operation. No, it wasn't. The first people to pay for that thing were actually Republicans. Okay. They dropped it, okay. And then Hillary started paying that again. But that's just, you know, that's opposition research and stuff. And it's really, I mean, I definitely think that there are people that have blackmailable stuff on Trump. One of them being Putin, and the other one's being Netanyahu. Oh, okay. How dare you say that? How dare I say? Well, it's quite in our face really. I know, but nobody wants to say it. Even the hardcore, the people that supported Trump the most during this recent election are criticizing the hell out of everything he's doing. But they'll walk right up to the line of saying that Trump himself is implicated in it. They won't fucking touch it, you know? Well- It's just like, well, wow, we have this country, the size of New Jersey in the Middle East that we'll bend over backwards for. And there's this invisible sort of something that exists. They have this invisible leverage that we cannot identify. What is it? Well, they've been giving a lot of money to people, you know? Yeah, but like still, like they can't control the president. You know, it's called One Nation Under Blackmail. Yes, exactly, you know? Exactly. And I mean, it really doesn't, you know, take a lot to understand the profidity that's going on. Okay. And I mean- The what? What was the word you used? Profidity. Profidity, okay. Okay. And the, so the whole vote thing, I mean, Hopsecker who used to live here in Florida did a thing, you know, about the voting machines and how, he was working in Louisiana. And I mean, and they showed, you know, well, you press here and you say you're voting for here, but actually the vote goes to here, okay, to the other person. So, I mean, there's been ways of stealing the vote here for quite a while. Yeah. Okay. Mob has been a lot behind it, okay? Because, you know, the mob is at the situation where, oh, let me see, this guy likes prostitutes. Oh, this guy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, I mean, they've been using the blackmail card for a long, long time. Okay. So- The oldest one in the book. So, there's no reason that we can't have honest elections. Okay. I mean, we have the digital capability right now, okay, of having honest elections and knowing who voted how, I mean, we could be doing, digital voting. We could be doing things like that. Yeah, but does that just open the door up for more fraud? Not if you put enough eyes on it. Not if you put enough eyes on it, okay? You can get, if you get, you know- Yeah, but what eyes? That's the whole thing. How do you know- People's eyes, you know? Have some of them, elected, have some of them just chosen, you know? Have it done by lottery, you know? Or different things. But if you get enough eyes, okay, we've got the ability to understand, I mean, how do they track these people down for child, all this stuff? It's not because they're walking around with a little sign that says, hey, I like child, right? They're able to, you know, look in their email box or something like that and figure things out. So I mean, there is the technology out to have a country that isn't, you know, susceptible to blackmail and susceptible to a lot of things. We could have an honest country. We really could. But we have to, you know, put up with- I don't know, man. I think that the people who are interested in leading people are inherently, they have some sort of something built into their psyche where they're just going to do whatever they can to serve their own personal interests. Pick the jobs by lottery. Sociopathy. Pick the jobs by lottery. Yeah, like the ancient Greeks did. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, we're doing this book called the Psychopathology of Totalitarianism. Uh-huh. Okay, you know, and what is, it's a sickness that these people bring to want to have, you know, absolute control and control over everybody. And, you know, that's not what this country was built upon. And, you know, there's people that, you know, want to say, oh, well, we can't have multiculturalism. We can't, well, you know, we've had multiculturalism in this country ever since it began. Mm-hmm. You know? And we ought to listen to the Indians too. The Indians have a lot of nice things. The American Indians and the Indian Indians have a lot of nice things to say. I mean, there's so much that we can learn from lots of different people. There's this old prophecy about how there's the five races and they come to a table and they each have something to bring to the table for us to learn how to be humanity. And I think that's true, you know? There's a lot that we can learn to make our country a better place, okay? And there's no reason that we have to put up with all this crap and BS. There really isn't, okay? Except these guys, you know, want to push it down. You know, I have these conversations with some, oh, lefties, I guess they are or whatnot. But because it's my contention, my posit, okay? Is that we have this secret societal system that's up here, okay? Your next solid level is sovereign countries, okay? And in between the secret societal level. So wait, so wait, Jeffrey Epstein's in the secret society level? Yeah, okay. Yeah, because in the secret societal level. Because I always thought there was a separate, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I always thought there was a distinction between the Jeffrey Epstein layer and then the Bankers layer, like the Rothschilds. Well, you've got the secret societal level. Your next solid level is the sovereign countries. And in between this, okay? You've got intelligence agencies, okay, religious organizations, paternal organizations, criminal organizations, okay? And then they're able to, you know, go down into the sovereign countries and they don't have to affect everybody in that, but just maybe one or two people and get it to go to the direction that they want. And then you have the situation where these secret societies are not bound to a country, okay? They'll trash their own country if it serves the goals of the secret societal system. Right. Okay, so it's a... So it's almost not like anarchy, right? It's not just nation states from them. Because the idea of all these nation states just competing for power is sort of like, it's sort of like anarchy at the highest level. But if it's true, what you're saying, that there are this globally governing order of secret societies that are manipulating the nation states, that's crazy. That's like a 4D level of fucking order. Well, you know, and I mean, they don't have as solid control in every country, but they have... Right, right, right. They just try to move the needle as much as they can. And then through the intelligence agencies and the criminal gangs, okay? That gives them a lot of power and a lot of insight, okay? As to, well, let me see, what person in this country do I want? Well, this guy, you know, he really likes to go to the prostitutes all the time, blah, blah, blah, you know? Yeah. And different things. So, but I have this conversation with these people because it's my posit that the secret societal system imposes itself upon the sovereign countries, which then imposes upon us people. Yes. Okay? And they're saying that the dynamic, that's not the dynamic, it's just class warfare. It's just, you know, us with pitchforks, okay? And the people up here trying to, you know, stay being the people up there, okay? But to me, it's a lot more organized than just people saying, oh, I wanna be the rich person. I wanna be the rich person. You know, it's, I mean, they're imposing their will, okay? And, you know, they'll use, you know, people like Trump because, I mean, he's an easy mark, okay? You know, you can, you can... Which level is he on, by the way? Because he seems to be, have his foot in both worlds, kind of. Well, again, would you, play a little game, I call it the cat bird seed. The cat bird seed. Okay. Okay, let's say that this does exist, this secret societal organization up there exists, okay? Let's say you're the guy running it. You're the cat bird, okay? What would you do? How would you run things? How would I run things? How would you, what would you do? Hmm. I would try to, like, yeah, I would try to make sure that my bloodline survives and that I have a way to escape the earth when apocalypse finally happens and make sure the world doesn't burn. Right, and you have all these rich people buying bunkers and everything, right? Yes. You do, don't you? Yes. You know, and, you know, I mean... This is one of the things that Catherine Fitz talks about. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, if you actually had a large scale nuclear exchange, okay, how long you gotta be in a bunker? Long time. Yeah, yeah, you know, so, but... The people that would survive the longest are the guys that are in the nuclear submarines, they would be there until they ran out of water or food. There a book about that? Probably, right? What book are you talking about? On the beach, something like that. I don't even know that book. I don't, okay. What's the name of it? On the beach. It's just called On the Beach. Yeah, yeah. And, but yeah, so, again, I just really see that, that's what we're up against is a secret societal system that is using those different levels, levers to screw with our sovereign countries that then screws with us, okay? So... What would you do if you were the one that ran the secret societies? Hide out them. Hide out them. How would you do that? Go on a podcast? Sure, put them on, put them on the internet. No one would believe you. Put everything out on the internet. Fucking believe you. Right, well, that's what I told my dad, okay? Because he told me, he says, I couldn't tell you for 10 years, and well, actually I didn't tell him that, but I thought about it later on. Because he told me, and I was his son, and I didn't believe him. So, because I got to thinking, I says, if dad had talked, it wouldn't have made any difference because nobody would have believed him anyway. And I mean, I've been talking about the secret societal system now for Lord have mercy, good 26 years, not longer, okay? And when I first started talking about it, there was very few people I could even talk to. And then I found that the people that I could talk to that we could have some understandings were people that had a wide view of something. And could see the different changes. But there's no reason why we the people cannot be in charge, okay? There's no reason to have these other folks in charge. I mean, our money, and it was one of the, after the Spanish-American war, and they got their hooks into us real deep, okay? That was one of the things that they did. They says, oh, well, let me see. Let's get an income tax, okay? Which isn't really, wasn't a tax on wages, okay? And then, oh, well, we'll get fake money, okay? The Federal Reserve, oh, well, once you got that in place, what do you do? Well, you get the people in debt, okay? World War I, okay? And then World War II. And in World War II, they did a thing, they says, oh, we gotta beat them Japs and Huns, you know, we gotta, and we're gonna have a victory tax, okay? And you know what? We aren't even gonna make you lick a stamp. We're gonna go directly to your employer and grab it, okay? That's where withholding started, okay? And what that did, because before then, about 20% of the American population paid income tax, because the income tax isn't on wages, okay? But they keep dumbing us down, they keep dumbing us down, okay? And so once they got withholding in, it was about 60% of the population was paying, so they got a lot more money there to fiddle with, okay? And so these taxes and war and all of this stuff, I mean, I do a thing, a round table with the Fitzgeralds. Paul and this Fitzgerald, and Paul is a Fitzgerald of related to Honey Fitz, JFK's grandfather. And one thing that we found in there, oh, Lord, I'm getting tired. That's all right, we're almost done. You wanna wrap it up? Oh, let me see if I can remember this. Oh, well, we've been doing, oh, it's been based around JFK's peace speech, and he gave it, I think it was June of 63 at American University. And we live on one planet. I mean, we've had people go up in space and take pictures of it so we can see it. Allegedly. No, those are quite real. They can, you can take a bank on that. And so we're all living on one planet, okay? So we need to learn to get along. And so the other thing that we discovered that there was a guy by the name of Henry George, okay? He was like the second biggest speaker behind Mark Twain in the late 1800s and early 1900s. And he did a thing about land rents, okay? And it's basically a taxing thing that kind of makes capitalism a little bit more friendly, a little bit more moral, okay? And they buried him. They buried him, you know. Land rents? Yeah, land rents. What was the basis of it? It's about taking the money from, you base the taxes on the land and its potential, okay? So when a landlord just sits there and lets the apartment house go to heck and stuff like that, it's no advantage to him. And they've done it in some cities in Pennsylvania where cities have gone from being, everything boarded up to a viable economy. They're starting to talk about it in Maryland. They set up the whole part of Chicago, University of Chicago by the Rockefellers economics to completely bury Henry George, okay? And the person does a Google, they'll find out about it, but it's just an incredible thing. And so onwards to a better future for our children. I agree. I hope we can do something like that. I love your optimistic outlook. Well, thank you. And thank you for doing this. My pleasure. Tell people where they can find you and find your publishing company, all the books that you publish and get ahold of you, all that jazz. Well, it's trinday.com, T-R-I-N-E, D-A-Y, dot com. We've got about 180 some books up there and been doing it for 26 years, can't get a Wikipedia page. People have set up Wikipedia pages and they get taken down. That's probably a good sign in the long run. That's what people tell me. And because it's been very interesting, the basic stance on our books is to ignore us. I mean, they tried, the second book I did, Expendable Elite, I had to go to a court in Charleston, South Carolina, because the Special Forces Association said I had to declare this book fiction. This is written by a Lieutenant Colonel, the only Lieutenant Colonel I know that didn't graduate from high school. And it was about the WAHAUS, which are a militant Buddhist sect in Vietnam. But my dad had been in Vietnam in 56, so I'd done a bunch of studies, so I knew the book was true. And so this hippie from Oregon and a Lieutenant Colonel from New York went to court in South Carolina and got a unanimous verdict. And so we got to publish a book as nonfiction. But it's been interesting. There's been lots of attempts to try and put us out of business, but I'm a stubborn SOB and my mama was a very nice lady. And you're still trucking, man. Amen. I love it. Well, thanks again for your time, man. This has been really fun. Well, thank you. And I hope I wasn't too confusing. No, you were great. We'll link all your stuff below. And that's it. Good night, folks. Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs. 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