Summary
The Cinephobe Top 5 Artists episode ranks the best artistic characters from poorly-rated movies, debating what qualifies as 'art' versus 'science.' The hosts discuss characters ranging from mechanics and sculptors to con artists and killers, with recurring jokes about Rocky Jr.'s drawing skills and various character interpretations across films like Man on Fire, Cobra, and Encino Man.
Insights
- The definition of 'artist' is subjective and context-dependent—the hosts debate whether mechanics, engineers, and killers can be considered artists based on skill and execution rather than traditional mediums
- Character development and comedic potential matter more than plot consistency when evaluating poorly-rated films; hosts value memorable moments over narrative coherence
- Nostalgia-driven filmmaking that relies heavily on references and licensed music is becoming a lazy storytelling trend that audiences find off-putting
- Physical comedy and visual gags (like Rocky Jr.'s drawings) resonate more strongly with audiences than sophisticated plot mechanics in cult films
- The podcast format allows for subjective ranking and debate, encouraging listeners to form their own opinions rather than accepting critical consensus
Trends
Increased reliance on nostalgic references and licensed music in modern films as a substitute for original storytellingGrowing appreciation for 'so-bad-it's-good' cinema and poorly-rated films as sources of entertainment and cultural commentaryPodcast-driven culture enabling niche communities to reframe and celebrate dismissed or underrated mediaCharacter-driven analysis replacing plot-based film criticism in casual viewing communitiesExpansion of podcast monetization through Patreon and exclusive content models for dedicated audiences
Topics
Film criticism and poorly-rated moviesCharacter analysis and artistic interpretationNostalgia in modern filmmakingPodcast ranking formats and subjective criticismComedy and physical humor in cinemaCharacter development in B-moviesDefinition of art and artistic expressionCult film appreciationListener engagement and community buildingPatreon-exclusive content models
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People
Ashley Johnson
Co-host of Weird Kids podcast discussing childhood as working actors in shows like Growing Pains
Taliesin Jaffe
Co-host of Weird Kids podcast, former child actor in Mr. Mom and other productions
Zach
Co-host of Cinephobe and CT5 (Cinephobe Top 5) podcast ranking films and characters
Maze
Co-host of Cinephobe and CT5 podcast, participates in character and film rankings
Amin
Co-host of Cinephobe and CT5 podcast, frequently references Ben Stiller characters
Jason Concepcion
Host of Wait a Second podcast about conspiracy theories, mentioned as recommended listening
Quotes
"Art can come in many different forms, right? So you could just think like, oh, this is a regular old job and actually someone is an artist."
Zach•Mid-episode
"Creasey's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece."
Amin•Near end of rankings
"Someone who takes common ingredients that we all have available to us and uses it to paint a tapestry. Figuratively speaking, there has never been anyone more adept at using what's available to paint the most beautiful picture imaginable."
Amin•Number one artist explanation
"That's what podcasts are for folks. You listen to it and then when you're around your friends, you bring up this as if it were your own observation."
Host•Mid-episode
"True art keeps you guessing."
Zach•Final rankings discussion
Full Transcript
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What happens when two people who grew up in a very strange corner of Los Angeles look back and realize just how bizarre their upbringings really were? They start a podcast, of course. I'm Ashley Johnson. And I'm Taliesin Jaffe. Before we became the internet people we are today, we spent our childhoods as working actors, appearing in shows like Growing Pains and films like Mr. Mom. In our podcast Weird Kids, we're diving deep into our unique upbringings, our friendship with each other, and all the delightfully odd interests we still carry with us today. In each episode we get to share stories of our youth, the things that bring us joy, the problems that we face, and occasionally the friends we've collected along the way. If you're a misfit, an outcast, or just a weirdo who loves all things nostalgic and unconventional, come take a seat at our table. Each week we'll be releasing previously members-only episodes on YouTube and all major podcast platforms, with new episodes dropping exclusively and ad-free on beacon.tv. I think probably Flowrida doing it is a big part of why I don't like it. You don't like Flowrida. No, I got down with... Put them together. It's a pretty clever name, honestly. Because he rides Flows. And he's from Florida. Yeah. And I liked... And he knows the lady from Progressive. The right round song with Kesha from The Hangover. Great song. Great song. I fooled with that song. He has a couple of ones that I like, but by that point in his career... What is the... So why not this song? I think it's because he himself as an artist was played out to me by the time that song came out. And also, that was like the sixth time they did that type of just direct ripoff of what could be construed as like a obscure kind of Euro trash song. But to me, the I'm Blue song... No, that's a hit for me. Obscure. Oh, this is the problem is you thought that it was like the fucking... It's friend. I was in fifth grade. Yeah. I was playing... I had the CD probably. You know what I always associate that song with? Always always the opening scene from Iron Man 3. Like that. I always think of that because it's just it's so well done. I don't remember any of that movement. It's... Really? Iron Man 3 is good, man. I'm trying to think... No, I remember thinking like, oh, this is pretty good. Yeah. It starts... So in Iron Man, he's locked in a dungeon and there's that other scientist. Yeah. And a scientist says in Iron Man, we've met before at the conference in Bern. And Tony's like, I don't know who the fuck you are. So then Iron Man 3 starts with that conference in Bern and you see him meet the scientist and he's drunk off it out of his mind. I don't remember anything. That means blue? Well, the song is how it starts. It's like... It starts as... Yeah, here's our little... Don't know whatever the fuck that song starts with. Blue is house with a blue little window and a blue car event. You like that. That. That you're like fucking... Yeah, man. That's just... So long, Rydeck. I would be listening to my Eiffel 65 CD and then I might pop in D2 the Mighty Ducks for another rewatch and that's a hell of an afternoon. Zex puts on his boots. It's a couple of clap bombs down the hallway. Life is grand. Boom clap bomb. Boom clap bomb. The other song that I was thinking of and so it's sampling and interpolating. It's all of the above. The Live Your Life song with T.I. and Rihanna. Love that song. Oh yeah. That's a good song. Interpolates and samples Drago Stadinte which is an even more like random Euro trash song. Is it the... My, I'm that part. Is it the... I don't give a shit. By O's versus Better. I get it. We all watch the fat. We all watch the fat kids sing it on ebombs world or whatever. And like I get it. We all did. Yeah. All together in the same room. Yeah. Like in timeline. Get on the computer for the first time. That's what we did in New Orleans. We went... That was the after party. I still remember Zex telling us like his typical work day. Come back for lunch and get on the computer at work. Oh dog. Oh my god. Get the Johnny Rockets to go. Dude. Try to stretch that hour lunch into an hour. An hour fifteen. Oh my god. If it wasn't busy maybe you get a 120 out of it man. Like cause then you could always be like oh yeah I gotta fill out some like... I'm working on this. Can I do some busy work? Yeah. Still on lunch though. Yo so as we're going through this nostalgia it reminds me of... I watched this movie the other day. The Vince Vaughn one. Mike and Nick and Nick and whatever. Yeah. It's a new one. It's on Hulu. Yeah. Yeah. So it's okay. It's okay. Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice. Yeah. So I was like it's a type of movie that like in another time. Not really. Science fiction action comedy crime. Yeah. That's a wikipedia. Holy shit. I bet IMDb goes crazy. I'm gonna look at that one. It's just one long fucking... It's like Maze's background. Just fucking characters and shit. Code. Code. So the movie's okay. Right. It's the type of movie that in a different time would have had a modest box office and then would have sold the shits out of DVDs because there's a lot of like quick lines and jokes and shit like that. Right. But there was something about it like this is off and it reminds me of a lot of newer movies. Why am I turned off by a lot of newer movies? And I realized what it is. You know what they all do to way too much of? Reference. Reference. Well that was Playdate. Every... Every... Yes. Playdate. Every other... Playdate was lazy as fuck with it. It was just like drastic part. Hold on. Hold on. Shut up, Zach. Hold on. Shut the fuck up, Zach. He didn't do things as fatly as I thought he would. That's not what we're talking about. Well that's... But lazy would be fatly. We gotta break down the script writing. We're talking about script writing. That's... No, I'm not. I don't want to double script writing. You're trying to talk about fatly. I am. What's wrong with that? I mean we're talking about writing scripts and making them too reference heavy. That's AdLibs. It's not AdLibs. They're like plot points. If it spins on it's AdLibs. No, no. They're like the actual plot points. Oh, kind of like such and such movies. Such and such TV shows. Such and such. And it's just... And it's non-stop. Either that or songs. Like the licensed music is like... Fucking every single hit from like 1985 or whatever. Not to bring up the script writing, but is this like a... Not to bring up the script writing. Let's do it in a vlog. We got all the tools we need right here. We got a bell. We got a bad voice. Do you think it's an effort to make like... Like almost like a covert nostalgia. Like you feel nostalgia now. You like this movie more and everything. Yeah. Well, I think that's what Street Riftings did. That's absolutely Street Riftings. So that's why I discovered... I found this very interesting... What you're saying... But that's like... All this is like E.T. They're just riding bikes around this suburban neighborhood. Those kids suck. But this is what I forget though. But I hate those kids. The kids aren't... Once again. The kids aren't for you. You're just having your own conversation. Well, you went games with me and Amin with what we're talking about. I responded to what you said. I'm doing both. I'm doing both. I'm doing both. I hate the strange things kids. You guys, I didn't bring up stranger things. You want to talk stranger things. I hate those kids. Especially the one with the fucked up teeth. Who has like a mouthpiece or something. I know. I saw that shit come across my... Did you watch it? Or did you... No, fuck no. I didn't watch it. I hate that kid. You're Hulu? Next year? By the way, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice. Wikipedia dusted IMDB in terms of genres. Action crime comedy. That's all they got. Yeah. They left a lot out. He's a Gonzalez. And also, of course. Yeah, baby. I'm horny too. No, I didn't. And also the writer director of Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice is Ben David. That's B E N. Capital D. Avid. All one word. That's his first name. How we feel about that? I hate that. Watch it. Careful. What? I don't like that name. What? I have to be careful, but why? Careful. Why? What am I doing? I was certain names, man. You can't hate certain names. I can't hate Ben David. Yeah, I can't hate Ben David because I hate a certain name. It might construe that you hate something perhaps a little bit bigger than just the name. Science? Oh. You didn't see where he was going with that. I don't know how Ben David as one word is. I thought it was a bend. That was bend. So now who's having their own conversation? You thought it was a bend avid? Avid. Bend through. This idea is just straight up bad. That algorithm is busted. It's among the worst ideas I've ever heard. Top five. Easy. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. I mean struck this evening, y'all, but he's got five. CT5. Welcome to Cinephobe, top five, aka CT5. This is the companion podcast to the top 10 in the world, TV and film review podcast, Cinephobe. What Cinephobe, you might ask? Me and these two maroons watch movies that are poorly rated on round tomatoes. It's okay. I saw it in a Looney Tunes cartoon. That means it's kosher. We watch movies that are poorly rated on round tomatoes. I thought you saw that Captain America comic. Oh boy. All right, Charlie Sheep. Try to ascertain where these movies are accurately poorly rated. Maybe they get a fair shake and what we've done and if you haven't checked it out, you got to check that out first. You can't check out CT5. My advice to you, find a movie that you've already seen and you're familiar with. Listen to that episode. Paul Blart. Get a feel for it. Not that one. Paul Blart, too. All right, see that? Listen to that episode. If you have seen those movies. You have to start with the second one though. Zookeeper. And then probably this is a glossary episode because we do have a bunch of jokes sometimes that are inside those recurring jokes or whatever. But once you've done all that, you'll start to listen to more and watch some more movies and listen to more and all of a sudden you'll start to realize, man, there's certain recurring themes. We start to categorize these recurring themes and rank them in lists of five. Hence Cinephobe, top five. Here we are. Zagasi made a really good suggestion the other day on one of the episodes. Yes. Which is, you know what Cinephobe is great for is for you to listen to. And then when you're around your friends, you bring up this as if it were your own observation. Oh, absolutely. I'm just starting to do that. I've been, I've been vinging Jason Concepcion's latest podcast and it's like, Oh my God. Like conspiracy theory. It's called Wait a Second, right? Wait a second. It's so good. I'm on the one about the murder of Jeffrey Epstein and man, I am absolutely going to pass this information off as my own. It's great. That's what you do. That's what podcasts are for folks. Anyways, as I said, we get these categories and then what we end up doing is rank them. We rank them top fives and we do categories like best hats, best weapons, characters that aren't on the CT five artwork, movies that have all the makings of a Cinephobe movie. And this week we are ranking CT five artists. What is an artist? You'll find out through the course of this. Is it best artists? Is it worse artists? You'll find out through the course of this. All you'll know is that we each have come up with lists of top fives and two outside looking ins or O Li's. This is the order we'll go in. Zach will go first. I'll go second. Mays will go third. Zach, what is your first outside looking in? You said rank. Wank. You said basically said Wank, but you threw an R in there. Okay. My first O Li. Art can come in many different forms, right? So you could just think like, oh, this is a regular old job and actually someone is an artist. The joke from this is the end is people work at Subway sandwich artists. Right? There's lots of things. Yeah. I like the only thing that I want to, that I was thinking of in terms of like distinguishing is this an art or not is like it's art and science. Right? So like, are you a scientist when it comes to these things or are you? Well, spoiler alert. Apollo Creed did not make my top five as an artist because I felt that was the sweet science. But you can Zach continue because it is your list. I think someone who can beautifully put together something that has to haul a lot of shit in a short amount of time and precarious situations makes Gertie a great artist as a mechanic. Yeah. Okay. Gonna be one of those days on C-25. He even got one of, you know, something that really affected his life was while he was doing art in Fallujah. You just wanted to say Fallujah. Yeah. That's all that's all. Talk about it. I'm trying to give some exposition here. I think in my mind, so I mean, I'll say another one that like it's not even an OOLI because I consider this a science. Hope it's not on my list. I don't think it will be. The problem is it's infinite. The possibility is it with Zach? He just gave him a mechanic. What does that mean? It's called a mechanic and artist. You do all kinds of bullshit. Well, it's not a woman I'm trying to have sex with, so it's not going to be on a means list. But that's supposed to mean. When Uncle Frank tells Job, you're magic with the machine boy, I was thinking, is that art or science? And I lean towards science. I think science can be art. No, I think that's the whole that's the. I'm looking at. I'm looking at. Throw it down. Scientists is a future CT five. So we're going to have we're going to have we're going to have cross pollination. I mean, you had Babs on both best friend and co-worker lists. Yes. I'm sure you'll find a way to cross pollinate. Yeah, I'm the only way it does that. Uh, I mean your first OOLI. It's the wolves from. No, I'm joking. It's I'm joking. I'm joking. I wanted to put the wolves from a million ways down to a sentence. Didn't work out like I'm like, I could not in good conscience justify. There goes my number one. So, uh, I went, you know what? When I started making my list, I was very strict in terms of what is an artist. Right. An artist is someone. With with a paintbrush. With with paint, watercolors, perhaps maybe it's oil base. I don't know. And creating an image on a canvas. Sometimes the canvas is the size of, you know, like an easel, a regular easel. Sometimes the canvas is massive. My OLI is whoever painted the mountain and Dante speak. God. Pretty sure God did not paint that one. Oh, that's a good one. Unless, unless, unless God's real names. I like that. Yeah. That that was an impressive. I thought about it. Didn't make my didn't make my, my notebook, but I thought especially, especially when you pan along it and then you hit like a cloud barrier and then you keep panning along it. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't know if it's a cloud barrier. Yeah. It's a place to hide a cut. Club. There's a little bit of new keys for me. My first OLI. Not an artist from one of the movies, but an integral artist to the history of Cinephobe. It's the artist who drew Hulk absolutely railing a woman from the back. That's OLI. Wow. Yeah. We're just going to start. Wow. Wow. Wow. It was incredibly descriptive detail. It was man. It escalated things. Got it. I wish I wish we did do, you know, edits on this because I would have you from Detroiters heard talk about Milhouse with a big tripping. Oh, yeah. That one comes up on my planters. That one comes up a lot. A lot. Yeah. Dude, I've been rewatching that show again. I'll just throw it on every once in a while. God, that show is a 10 out of 10 every episode. Your hard algorithm is strong. Oh my God. You know what I want to start? I want to re binge what we do in the shadows. Oh, that's a good idea. I haven't done that. It's been enough time. In a minute. Yeah. You can start out. They look pretty crazy different at the beginning. All of them. Yeah. Oh, for sure. I figured out like the look of the character. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. I just did tires again. Fuck that. That shows. That's good. Oh my God. Yeah. Zach, your other OLI. I worry that this is a little too far down, but also I don't know what you guys are doing with your list. So you guys are taking this in a weird way. So I'll just be very straightforward. This is an artist who we found out. Also, let me start with this. If it had been more of this, the movie is a file. Oh, okay. So not because this is an artist whose art is death and he's about to paint his masterpiece. It's Denzel, man on fire. That's what that's what Christopher Walken says about him. Yeah. So you're saying if the movie is more of his art and less of, oh, I don't know, swimming lessons. Exactly. Exactly. All right. The science of swimming. The science of swimming. Definitely. I thought about that as like that's not an art. That is science. Right. My other OLI, I really thought the way you loaded this up, I'm like, oh my God. You already got mine. So this might be early. I feel like this could be too early a submission. Someone might have already put this, but again, I'm thinking very straightforward. What is art? I'm thinking of canvas. I'm seeing a picture. I'm thinking people coloring or painting. I'm thinking of Scootsy double day's brother. We'll see it's Scootsy. I see I laid out. It's not Ronnie. It's Scootsy. Oh, is the artist because he reads to his brother Ronnie and gets him pretty, pretty pictures. Oh, I thought his brother was the one that paints pretty, pretty pictures. No, that's what I thought. Scootsy reads to his brother and paints him pretty, pretty pictures. Wow. So Scootsy's artist. Oh, because Ronnie does have all three major. That's not O because that's not the logical. That is actually. Transition there. That means with me all this. The whole time I've been thinking about Scootsy double day's brother. Same. Like, just finger painting or whatever. There's another finger painter who might come up on this list. But my next Oli. There's a movie that revolves around a painting. I don't know if you guys remember this. Ghostbusters too. That we've done Dante's Peak. No, like an actual physical painting. Dante's Peak. It starts with stealing the theft of the painting. And it ends with the sale of the painting. And that painting is the disturbing duckling painted by Asger Yorn in Money Plane. That's right. It's worth 60 million dollars at the end. And it is a cabin with some bullshit duck because the first scene is an art heist, Zach. Oh, that's well. They break into a museum. They're in a dentist's office. But the dentist's office has this painting in there. That's right. Yeah. And then he hands Dario Semenio Gratz III the painting in like just a tube, right? That's when his wife is there. What's his wife's name? Who's played the wife? Famke? No. Denise Richards. There you go. Um, so it's a painting that the rumble has them steal, but he already owned it. That's how it's done. He had to steal it from himself. Right. And then the weirdest part is that the Asger Yorn is a real painter. Okay. Oh, is that a real thing? The serving duckling is not real. Painted it for the movie? Somebody did. Not him. And 60 million dollars is way off. Well, you don't know that, but it's central to the plot. All right. My number five. Yeah. Sometimes very crude pictures can look like true art. And you know, you can be like, oh, but it's not this certain, you know, texture or style or whatever, but sometimes it's just like just a simple picture, simple drawing, very good art. Sometimes it's done in chalk. Sometimes it's out of school. I'm going sometimes it's done in ketchup and mustard. I'm going to Brendan Fraser in Ceno Man, drawing Bozongas. Well done. Betty Nugs. Really well done. Betty Nugs. Yeah. Yeah. Tough nuggies. There's been a little bit tough nuggies for me. Zach, you actually took me on a journey there with your exposition for your pick was when you hit a certain point, I thought, oh my God, we have the same number five. But then you swore back towards and Ceno Man. And I said, thank God, because my number five also is art, but not with a paint brush and not with paint using ketchup as our instrument. It's Brigitte Nielsen and Cobra. And you want to give me shit for Gertie. What? What art? Beautiful art. Ketchup on the hot art. She made a lake. It's a pool of red. A lake of ketchup. Well, the fries are her brush and the ketchup is her. I just want paint. Maze, you're backing this. I just want you to remember like, oh God, you do Gertie for the mechanic shit. You pick the mechanic. She's eating. I didn't see it. Remember what he is thinking about? You pick Gertie and then almost immediately then said that Roddy Doubleday could be an artist. So I want you to think about that. I didn't say that. That's not what I said. That's what you said. I didn't finish the sentence. You want to finish it now? All three major forms of payment. Check cash card. Those are the major forms. What else would there be? Sex. Well, nice. My number five, I thought we're, I mean, we're pretty close, Zach on our number five. Oh, okay. And I was worried that this was the one that I was worried to put on. I didn't want to ruin anybody's list down the line, but. Rocky Junior. Run it back. Number four, Rocky Junior. Wow. Madame DuPont and her giant cans. Wow. Interesting. He's a burgeoning artist. Yeah. Yeah. He's still got some learning to do. Let me look up this picture again. They are massive. Maze, I don't know if you want to put it on the screen. They're massive. Structurally unsound. It's a picture of Rocky holding. With the double black eyes. Structurally unsound. He's so fucked up. She's so goddamn, man. No wonder she's leading back in the picture. She's got to do that. Keep her balance. She has to. It's not helping. She's still got to tip over. Madame DuPont, man. Wow. This is on a, from a post on Facebook called Rocky's best quotes. What they have foot calling the door. Great joke. That's an old joke. Oh, I don't know all the good things. I don't know all the good things. I said, Zach, you're number four. Do you know how difficult how much art goes into rendering like a big piece of art? Right? Like, yeah, you could do a little drawings. You could paint something. You could paint a mountain. But to render, oh, I don't know a whole city in CGI. CGI city. Cutting room floor for me. That's art. Are you going to the visual, the visual artists who create CGI city? Come on, man. A whole city. With a random mansion in the middle of downtown. What's that a mansion? It was just a house. Full of cats. Oh, you fucking love it then. No, that's too many cats. That's too many cats. I do have like, I don't know. I've never been to a cat cafe, but the concept of going to a cat cafe with like 10 cats doesn't really appeal to me. I think once you get above three, you hit. I think three is a lot. I think three is so many. Three is pushing it, but I have to say that because I have two. So I have to distance myself from the limit. I can't even get the limit. Ian Carmel has two as well as, but one always is always hiding. Isn't that how that usually goes? That's a good one. Yeah. One social one. One. Yeah. Let's say the one's real social. Yeah. Major number four. They slot into the roles quite easily. My number four. It's established early on that this character is a painter, a prolific painter, got a amazing, massive warehouse studio, not Hayden Christensen. Okay. He's a civil engineer and helicopter pilot. He minored in art history, but he did. He's a civil engineer. It's my third favorite civil engineer after. She's working on a painting that's basically mural size, but it's the same pattern over and over and over again. And plus you can tell she's really artistic because of her fashion choices. It's Kate Beckinsale and Tiptoe. She's, you can tell she's really what? Fashionable, artistic because of her fashion choices. Artistic. Artistic. I was, I was, that might explain some things. I need to think of her. That's a great call. She's literally painting this huge thing. It's the same thing. I don't know how you transport that or even get it out. Like if they break it up into sections to get it out of the warehouse, I don't know where it's going. It's like a basketball hardwood floor. Right. Yeah. It assembles and then reassembles. But then they drop that like plot line entirely. She's never painting. There's no art throughout the rest of the movie. There's too much other stuff going on. Oh, she's busy trying to. You want to finish that sentence? Use one of her forms of payment. He's really excited to pay. But you know what's funny? I was thinking about that movie of like who there was an artist in this. I thought it was McConaughey, but he's a firefighter in that. A firefighter, right? No, no, no. That means that Ralph, but Ralph is just a guy in the car. He's just, he's just. He's driving his motorcycle across the country. That's transportation. Maurice lives in a motel and then who knows? Yeah, I don't know if he's on housed. He's on. It's a pretzzy situation. We don't see that. I don't do it. Don't compare him to pretzzy. He's so much better than pretzzy. He couldn't land. Kate Beckinsale. I don't know, man. I don't know. I do get the fuck out of here. I still don't understand how off did so. Pretzzy can have a shot. You got a hog. Maybe pretzzy's got a hog. Pretzzy does not have a hog. You don't worry how you talk to a dame if you got a hog. Zach, your number three. Oh, shit. I'm worried that this is too early and that a mean is going to get mad at me. So I apologize. But the art of wenching is an art. Oliver Platt, three musketeers with his art of wenching. The manly art. At the art floor. Cutting the floor for me. Cutting the floor for me. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. I actually put all of those artists altogether. Mm. Yeah, I guess you could. Yeah. Well, mystery line. Oh. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. I'm not a musketeer. He's one of the three musketeers. All the winters. All the winters. I mean, I mean, yeah. CT5 winters. No, my number three. My number three. Sometimes the art, you become an artist by just being the art. Right. Performance art. Kind of. If the performance never stopped. If the performance was continuous. It's prime vanity and prime Sharon Stone in action Jackson. What's the art? They are. So who's the artist? We've got a mean is horny section of the through the CT5. Through being worth of art. They are themselves. The artists. That's science. Okay. Now you're bringing science and do it. No, I'm talking about bet needs science. The science of bet needs a science. Yes. Yeah. Vanity prime vanity, prime Sharon Stone. That's art. Okay. All right. Yeah. Maze. You're number three. All right. So I really thought about this a lot because I feel like we will probably end up doing a CT5 photographers at some point as well. Oh boy. And the more I thought about it, the more it felt to me that the Pimp Robot photographer, my beloved icon is doing commercial work. That doesn't feel like art. That's also. No, it's selling like Matthew McConaughey and goes to girlfriend's pass. Also, he's shooting for corporate purposes. He's not. This is not like in the studio. This is for to sell shit. And I think they're probably selling whatever crazy outfit Brigitte Nielsen is wearing. He's selling his dick. McConaughey. He's just a photographer. He's not selling it. He's giving away. Yeah. There's there's no selling like everything. Everything. Everything must go. But who is an artist? Is the stylist or the art director who draped that fur coat on the robot? That is a vision right there. It's funny, Maze. You say that the robot photographer is not art because it's for commercial use. I said when I was evaluating it that it's not art because it's a robot. By definition, a robot cannot do art. It only does science. Well, I'm not talking about the robot. I'm talking about the photographer. Well, you talk about the designer. Well, I mean, just said the robot is not art. Yeah. Well, that's not true. It's not a photographer. The robot's being a photographer feed. It's not taking pictures. Right. Okay. It's one of the models. You thought the robot was taking pictures? Yeah. So you thought the robot ran into the parking garage? And harassed Brigitte Nielsen and told her that you need to sleep with him to get ahead? Because he's got Eugene Levy eyebrows? No. The artist in question is the person who arranged the robots as set decoration and draped the fur coat on the robot's shoulders and said, yes, this is the aesthetic that we need. That's art. Yeah. Yep. It was draped. Yeah. That's what I said. Yeah. I agree. I'm sorry. It was what? Draped. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Zachary number two. To hurt someone else. Well, it's already been said. I really thought it was going to be way higher for everybody. Those are the art it takes to draw those massive cans. It's Rocky Jr. Those are Zeppelins. All right. I go back to quoting Rocky best quotes on Facebook. Rocky, who's this? Robert. It's Madame DuPont, my French teacher. Rocky. Really? Yeah. Yeah, she looks French. Sure. I wouldn't show this to your mother because she don't understand French too good with two black eyes. She don't understand French too good. She don't. Probably from Madame DuPont's titties. Knockin' them out. Yeah. It's a lot of ink. I mean, we're all on the same page. He needed to be on the list. I just feel like he's at the beginning of his artistic journey. Sure, but she was so much promise. That's really good for a start. Oh my God. It's better than Dennis in Always Sunny. It's better than Bretton and Frazier in Encino, man. I mean, earnestly saying that's really good. I'm looking at it. You guys aren't looking at it. That's the difference. But I try to get made out of this entire episode. You're so distracted by that. That's why you thought the robot took the pictures. Yeah. I love her stance. She's got her hand. Of course, man. She's modeling. So, and I'm guessing teacher didn't really model that way. So this is an artistic interpretation. He's incredible. Using his imagination. And that's the essence of art. I mean, you're number two. Well, I'm glad I said using your imagination is the essence of art because sometimes you have to imagine that you're dead. It's art from falling. He's one of the worst arts. No. He's breathing. That's upsetting. I feel like he's number one or nothing. I can't wait to find out what beat art. It was number one. I kind of figure we all have the same number one. We do not have. I guarantee you. Okay. Well, that's because I originally had Rocky Jr. is number one and that was like, oh no, of course, it's got to be. So you both moved your number twos down from number one to get to where they are now. My number two and I'm I have a feeling you guys didn't think of this artist and that's a little disappointing to me because it's Darrell hands hallway from accepted his true calling after not being able to play football anymore. They're sculptors. Fucking sculptor, right? Yeah. African fertility sculptures. You know what, man? Thought about accepted and I was like, there's art in this movie. I know there's been others. But then I was like, oh, it's that mural that all the students. Right. That's not good enough, which is not actually that. That's that's their course. The course guide is that. Yeah. That Darrell hands hallway, man. He's got like a broom handle hog on one of them. And he says the wood speaks to him. It does. That's art. That's an artist for sure. Yeah. But not your number one artist. Not your number one. No, not yours either. I take it, Zach. No. What's your number one? The level of creativity and execution to create the lion on the wall in samurai. Come on. What? So for a while I did too. You can see little details where it's not a real line. Would you call that a sculpture? What do we call that? That is, I think, technically a sculpture. Yes. Made out of yarn or whatever. Yarn is a metal is a plaster. We don't know. That's the art keeps you guessing. True art keeps you guessing. Thought it was a real lion. Just like a means number two. Is he dead or is he not dead? I don't know. I can see him breathing, but he's supposed to be dead. I mean, we know he's not dead. I think we're all in agreement. All three major forms of payment. That's a no. Why is that an OPE? That's an OPE. I mean, you're number one. My number one. What is the definition of an artist? Someone who makes art. Someone who takes common ingredients that we all have available to us and uses it to paint a tapestry. Figuratively speaking, there has never been anyone more adept at using what's available to paint the most beautiful picture imaginable. It's Ben Stiller in the heartbreak kid. He's a bullshit artist. That's a good one. That's a good one. Damn good one. He is. Yeah, he does paint a picture. Six toe. Six toe. Think about like the level of artistry in order to come up with that on the spot while you're brushing your teeth and getting dressed as your newly wed bride is burnt to a crisp. Yeah. That's a good one. I'm just looking at all the times that Amin has picked Ben Stiller. Yeah, it's a lot. He's got 20. Go to imagine if he pulled the mayor out of the out of town. Oh my god. You're number one unofficial award. S. Lyre award. Um, yeah, I definitely, I definitely thought about that, you know, because he is a word Smith. Yeah. And word Smiths are artists. And we'll get to some of those in the OOL eyes. My number one, unfortunately, some, uh, some wind has been taken out of the sales because the first thing I thought of when making this list was the quote from Chris Christopher Walken, a man can be an artist. Oh, food. Whatever. It depends on how good he is at it. Creasey's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece. It's Creasy and man on fire. Wow. Because the one thing he did in that movie is kill people. No, no, no, no, two things. There's two things. He killed people. And then there's about an hour and 45 minutes of killing people and killing people in a variety of ways. 45 minutes. My ass. There's about 30 minutes of killing. There's 45 minutes of swimming. And then there's an hour. It was a long movie, dude. It was a two and a half hour movie. Yeah. And most of it was swimming. Most of it swimming and setting up. No killing. There's very little. There's very little killing. Yeah. There is that one scene where they have the barbecue and I can't remember who someone had a fine ass wife. I was like, hold on. It was walking. Christopher Walken. Oh, yeah. It was Christopher Walken. Guys, I got to admit now that we've completed top fives, no Amy from Congo. Cutting room floor. Cutting room floor. Cutting room floor for all of us. What other, well, Mace, give us a recap of the top fives, please. So Zach had link from Encino man painting Betty nugs, cave painting. Then he had the visual artists who rendered CGI city from cat woman, Oliver Platt, a master of the mainly art of wenching from the three musketeers, Rocky Jr. And his madam do popos in Rocky five and the artist who created the lion from Samurai cop. I mean had Brigitte Nielsen with ketchup from Cobra. Rocky Jr. Prime Vanity and Prime Sharon Stone. They are the art art from fallen and Ben Stiller, the bullshit artists from the heartbreak kid. I had Rocky Jr. Kate Beckinsale from tip toes. The stylist who draped the fur coat on the robot in Cobra, Darrell hands, Holloway, the African fertility sculptor and Creasy. There's quite the pause there. Art of death. You really think Kate Beckinsale is a better artist than Rocky Jr. Get the fuck out of here. That's offensive. Is it best or is it just my list? Zach, because you have you have Rocky Jr. ahead of CGI city in the mainly art of wenching. I would do that as well. Oh, get the fuck out of here. I think that's doing the thing like what people do with Victor and Minyama or like because we know he's going to be great. You're trying to like fast. He's already great now. But he's not quite where everyone has him. He's higher than Kate Beckinsale. I don't know, man. He ends up running around with Eve from entourage and smoking cigarettes and getting dangly earrings. I think he kind of deviated from his popo drawing. But then he gets back. He gets back. He draws his dad. He draws dad. Popos though. He draws dad. Or he did something where he's like, oh, that's hard. Oh my God. Rattlers. Is that what happened? Rattlers. It's the hesitation. How is that not on the board? All right. All right. Well, that's going to do it for Ct5. No, no. There's more. We got more. We got more, but not here. Where? 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