Indiana Are Champs! How Cignetti Did It and Can It Be Replicated w/ David Pollack

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That's code RYE and bet live for your share of 2.5 million in prizes with code in partnership with Draft Kings. The crown is yours. I can't believe that fucking guy wanted a national championship. The Indian and Hoosiers of the Kings of College football and I still can't believe it. 16 in an old Beto Highestate, Destroy Alabama, run through Oregon. There's a couple things that we've been talking about. Only two years of this format. The teams with the buy. What happens to them? I'm still not even sure that's necessarily a real thing. It didn't matter for Indiana. What about the Power 4 rematch? It always goes to the team to lose. Not the case against Oregon. Then in the first half last night, I'm like Miami is not going to be able to do anything against this team. All the things that we love about Indiana football, the things that you respect, the things that you expect to see is that they're smart, they're physical, they respond to any kind of adversity which they've done all season long. Mendoza getting cracked in the Ohio State game. A mistake here or there doesn't even phase this guy. Then it's happening in the first half. Miami can't do anything. They ended up 0 for 8 in the first third down attempts. They finally converted on the ninth. They fought back in the second half. They got flexured going a little bit. Their defensive front, Bane and Mesa door. These guys started wrecking things and actually affecting an offensive line in a way within Indiana that you just hadn't seen all season long. They fought back in this thing. In that first half, I'm like, this is an all-time football team. They still may be in that group when you start talking about who they are historically. One of them playing in particular, Miami's deep. We're going to talk more about this game in depth with Pollock coming up here shortly. But Malachite Tony's kind of a target. It's a third and seventh. Miami's back depth deep. Fisher, their linebacker, he's just incredible. He shows a little bit of pressure and it looks like he freelancers a little bit realizing that Tony's behind him on this short route. Fisher doesn't make the initial tackle, but he gets in the way just by reading it. I'm so glad that Herb Street and Fowler focused on this play because I was watching. Look at what he did. It was pretty simple. But he realized, let me not get myself out of position. Let me just kind of hang around here and be some extra traffic and it slowed Tony down enough. The teammate comes over, cleans it up. They end up tackling the short of the sticks. The Miami's going to ponder again. Just littered with three and outs all night long. That's the kind of play that I'm like, that's what Indiana football is. In that moment, Fisher, which is smart enough recognition wise to realize what he should have been doing. With Indiana's win, I think the conversation, there's a bunch of things we can do here, but is this a signal to the college football world that the world is now different, that everything is different? With this happening during this NIL phase, this era here, I shouldn't call it a phase, but this early NIL days, the only reason that this happened, it's like, well, this is now the new normal. I don't know, that feels like it's discrediting, signati. It feels like it's discrediting their evaluation eye, their ability to develop. I don't know that this is just about the NIL and that they went out and bought Mendoza who won the Heisman, might be the number one pick in the NFL draft. You could make it that simple, but I don't think that that's fair. I think it's limiting how much credit we should be giving, what this whole program was able to accomplish this year. If you think about the talent composite rankings before the season, they run these out in August, you're rivals 24-7. If you look at Indiana's roster that just won a national championship, they ranked 72nd in talent based on rankings coming out of high school. 72nd, that team that just won a national championship last night. I don't think it's just about the NIL and making sure your tackle has a truck now. If you run through the roster and these guys are playing, like Sirata Zero Star, the Titans Zero Star, the Left Guards Zero Star, the tackles are three stars, Landino who's just a beast on the defensive lines of three star, the defensive tackles are zero stars, Aiden Fisher, the linebacker, I'm sitting here raving about zero stars, Charlie Becker, and I'm glad Herb Street talked about his story because even Herb Street's like, I knew this kid. I think he's going to be this. He's like, hey, you shouldn't transfer. You should stay here, you should play special teams, get better, and then by the way, you're going to have every huge catch during the playoffs and help us win a national championship. I don't think that this is the new normal. I probably expect that the blue bloods are going to keep winning all these national championships. I think just to package this up is like, hey, it's NIL and this is all new. I don't know if it's that. It might just be signati. It might be this guy because if you ran through this exercise and said, okay, well, this just mean that like Virginia Tech is now going to be in the mix to win a national championship or a Virginia Tech type team in the ACC. At least Tech was in the mix 25 years ago. I would, you know, there's some big 12 teams that have floored with some success, right? Baylor, obviously TCU played a national championship game. Houston now in the conference had like a little bit of a run there, but obviously nothing like this. So, I mean, if I were to use a big 10 example, I guess I could say like, does this mean Purdue and UCLA if they have the right guy there with some money that they could be winning a national championship? I wouldn't even have used Indiana as an example for this exercise before signati. Probably even last year before he had the job before we saw them play. I wouldn't even have used them as an example of me like, okay, well, now you're being absolutely ridiculous when you consider the Hoosier's history in this sport. But if you're a fan of any of these other programs, you might be thinking differently about it today. I don't know if signati's success makes it easier or harder for an athletic director. I might be harder dealing with your boosters now because of what this guy just pulled off and blew me to. The relationship in college football is usually not a very rewarding relationship. At least in the pros, you feel like if the NBA you get the right lottery pick or in the NFL, I think the the number or the line the other night when Houston was playing the past, the Texans were the only team in the NFL that hadn't played in a conference championship game. In a grand of that has more to do with them being a newer franchise. But you still feel like the structure of those pro leagues, you will have some sort of chance. There will be some sort of cycle. That's not supposed to happen in college football at all. And if you were to tell a kid like, hey, here's the deal. You're going to sign up for this relationship and you're going to work yourself up and to think and you have a chance and every year you're going to be disappointed. It's going to go on for like 40 plus years. There's going to be way more pain than actual joy. Are you are you interested in that kind of relationship? I mean, if you laid it out that way, who would ever say yes, but millions of us say yes to it because it's just nice to have something that you care about outside of your family. You know, maybe it isn't always the healthiest thing, but in a way, it can be really healthy because it's a distraction. You know, hey, just enjoy your Saturdays. It's not that big of a deal. Indian is going to change the way the rest of those programs think and I still don't know that that's my guess is today is that's still not going to happen. I like to talk about being delusional because it can be your superpower. If you're thinking about the tough careers, the careers where everybody else is telling you that's not going to work. Like, you shouldn't even try to do that. Like, there's some actors that I look at and be like, imagine when that guy was telling his buddies, I'm like, yeah, I think I want to go out to Hollywood and become an actor. I'm like, you serious? Have you looked at him? Merer. But that guy had to believe in himself. He had almost lied to himself that he was doing the right thing. And that's what I respect about signety as much as all the football stuff is that he had to get to a point one day where he was like, I am going to be delusional. And maybe he was so delusional, he didn't even realize he was being there. He was just lying to himself so much about what he was able to accomplish in the face of everyone telling him that he couldn't do any of these things. That that's why he's sitting there at the top of college football last night in this morning. I really think it's an important thing to have. When no one thinks you can do the thing that you want to do, who else do you have to fall back on but yourself? Who cares if you're lying yourself as long as somebody believes in you because nobody else is. You know, in 2008, Kevin Garnett won an NBA championship with the Celtics against the Lakers. It was game six. I was doing a lot of TV for the Celtics broadcast back then. So I was in the building. I was on the floor. KG did as anything as possible scream, which may have also been an adidas ad. But it was a moment and it's lived on for a while. And I'll admit, if you know me, if you heard me talk, there's part of me. It's like anything's possible to do your 7-1. You're one of the like the most freakish basketball players I've ever seen in my entire life. And you're on the Celtics. Like, you know, there's a pretty good chance you guys had a you had a chance at a ring this year. Signati should have been on the field last night. They're an adidas team. He should have been on the field screaming anything as possible because what they did makes you think it's real. Even if it isn't for all those other programs. I couldn't stand him last year. I don't feel bad or wrong about anything I said about Signati in 2024. But his entire approach being delusional, belief, you know, that was the start of it. That was some Muhammad Ali type shit what he just did. He set all these things and he backed it up. And in 25, it's not just respect for Signati, it just incomplete awe of what he did with this program. Before we move on with the show, a quick work on the tool that keeps people's workflow tighter than my takes. Microsoft 365 co-pilot. The world moves fast. Your workday, even faster, pitching products, drafting reports, analyzing data. Microsoft 365 co-pilot is your AI assistant for work. Built into word, Excel, PowerPoint, and other Microsoft 365 apps you use helping you quickly write, analyze, create, and summarize. So you can cut through the clutter and clear a path to your best work. Learn more at Microsoft.com slash M3 65 co-pilot. To further break down the national championship for Indiana over Miami, David Pollock who's joined us throughout the season and make sure you subscribe and check out his awesome page on ball. Seaball get ball with David Pollock. All right, man. Let's do it. Biggest thing that jumped out to you about let's just stay with last night's game and then we'll do bigger picture Indiana stuff. Like what do you think the difference was last night? It's kind of what you saw from Indiana all year long. They don't make mistakes. You know, one of the biggest things coming into the game, I was like, can Miami beat Indiana? Because Indiana is not going to beat itself. Like 30 something yards of penalties. Top five in the in the FPS and tackling. They have seven drops on the season. So right, dropping the ball last night was like, what? Wait a minute. Like they just don't beat themselves. They played great defense. Obviously blocking a kick, scoring a touchdown. So like it's the typical, it's the typical Indiana and what they've been able to accomplish, man. They're just not going to make mistakes. They're not going to change their identity. They're not going to change who they are. I think the coolest part about it was, first of all, one of my one of my keys, one of my questions in the game was is Mendoza human. And because he had five incompletions and eight touchdown passes going into the game versus Alabama and Oregon, in his first two round matchups, we saw this human because he bleat. He bled. Like he actually bled. And Miami's Miami's was, Miami's like, I'm going to rough this dude up. Like as soon as they carry out a fake, by the way, that's what you're supposed to do as a defensive guy. If you want to carry out a fake, I'm going to get my pound of flesh. Like that's absolutely what you're taught. Now the targeting aspect underneath the chin, maybe not so much, but, but you don't want to give them the freedom to carry out those fakes and not make them pay. So I get making them pay and they made him bleed. And that usually makes people gunshot. And that slows you down. And, and I think it did a little bit. And that's the first time I've seen Mendoza in a while sped up. Like Serrat dropped that ball because the ball was out too fast. And Mendoza was really, he was getting hit by Bain. He was getting hit by Mesador. But he was like, I got to get this thing out a little bit quicker than normal. But I think that and then just the signety onions, you know, at fourth and four to go for it. When probably everybody else is going to kick it. And then fourth and five, we're going to do it again. And then Mendoza proves he's not human. Like to do that to run the draw play, the great timing, sticking his foot in the ground, waiting a beat, which is perfect. Cutting at six five or six four, two thirty five, cutting backside because he saw the safety. Was it like the vision? And then that just like I'm going to run through you and do whatever it takes. Like just a unbelievable punctuation to what Indiana has become in college football, which is nuts. I would have normally missed it. I don't know if you caught it, but I saw Mendoza sitting down with Van Pell there on the field doing the post game on Sports Center. And he gets to be in last night. And he asked about that play. And I'm going to share it with you now because I just thought it was so great. Mendoza is like out of the time out, we're thinking we're going to get this look. And he's like, we thought we're going to get this Tampa look where the safety was to be here. So like that's the draw. I'm going to get the five yards. Like if they come out in this look, and we had seen something before that we knew this is what they were probably going to go to. And he's like, and then I get back there and they're not in it. He's like, they're in this like hybrid where he's like, I wasn't even 100% sure. Like, but it wasn't the look that we all thought it was supposed to be. You'd already called the time out in the clock. And he's like, all right. He's like, we were supposed to be a pass because of them changing the look. And he's like, I just had screw it and like, ran. Well, yeah, because you definitely saw the safeties expanded. They both went out wide to start. So they what they were worried about was the pass out wide. And they were like, all right, we're not going to get bean topped again by Becker, who's one of the best stories in the history of college. All right. How cool is that guy? Like Charlie Becker, all he does is make contested catches and have zero drops on the season and really came on throughout the year. And when Serrat got hurt, you know, and Cooper got hurt, he really got more reps and more run. And because of that, like, so yeah, but just to have a player like listen, Ryan, if you put Mendoza on any final four team, it's 100% they win. Like that team wins it all. There's no doubt. If you put them on any playoff team, I'm probably going to give you any playoff team besides maybe Alabama. And they win it all. Like because Alabama can't run the football at all, I would probably take them off the board. But everybody else like, he's that kind of good man. He's that kind of tough. And just like dude, you know, 41 touchdowns, he's sixth in Indiana passing history after this season. He's six. Like he just, it's it was fun to watch them and fun to watch signetti build this roster. And obviously the confidence and the swag and what he has you can tell the attention to detail, the coaching staff is elite, the guys, but but here's the number one thing, man, when your best players are your best human beings and your best leaders, you can do some special things. Next year, Indiana's going to be more talented across the board. They won't have that guy. It will it will be different. When you have that guy at the helm who's unselfish, who's a team first guy, who's going to work, who's going to say the right things, do the right things, live the right things. Like signetti's message gets to the team, right? Like you're coaching because we've heard this for years and you've talked about it for what we all talked about for years. Coach led teams don't win. Player led team. When you got that guy who's built up all the right stuff, it spreads through the whole team. And so I think it has so signetti deserves all the props in the world. He's the one who starts it. But if you don't have Mendoza, 100%, they're not getting to where they just got. What did you think about how Miami was able to get back into this game because it's probably the first time all season long where you felt like, hey, Indiana's O'Line is not going to be able to solve these guys. Yeah, it was it was the way they've gotten back or the way they've really made their run, right? It was Bain and Mesador starting in the second half. You're down 10. They get the ball. This game could be over on the first possession. And you come out and both of you get a sack. And then you still mess up and get a face mask. I thought I thought Miami, listen, I understand Lucas was out at corner, but but I thought they did a really bad job of giving free access on the outside. And then you saw him spit on the perimeter in Indiana and just they made it too easy for him. Listen, I'm fine with you. Not trusting your guys out wide. That's okay. But show press and then bail a little bit. But to give a pre snap read of being off so much, it was just too easy, right? And then I thought Indiana did a really good job with the RPO game to mix it up. I mean, they ran ISO RPO and Mendoza really took his time, got the football out. So I think they had a good plan, but but I thought I thought Miami on the outside made it a little bit too easy. And listen, it Mendoza did one thing in this game. If you want to go back and watch this tape over and over again, it's like, all right, where is Waldo? Where's 24 for Miami? I'm not going to put his name out there and put him on blast that much, but it's like where's 24? I'm attacking him. It's kind of like NBA in your world, man. Like, okay, let's go get this guy that's going to get a switch. Let's get Steph Curry in the picking role, right? Like let's let's get these guys, let's get these guys to have to switch and play. And they said, okay, if we're going at that guy repeatedly and and I but I thought Miami, the first the first play they ran, they ran outside zone in the second half. Like Indiana did a great job there in that bear front. They're they got all the guys inside. All they're thinking about is pistol, you know, running back behind back downhill downhill, because that's what Miami's done. And they bludgeon day in them and they bludgeoned Ohio State and they bludgeoned Ole Miss. They couldn't bludgeon Indiana and Indiana stacked the box. Well, then they go out wide with Fletcher and they did a great job in the outside zone and he goes, you know, 57 and they had 20 in the whole first half, 20 yards rushing on 12 carries. So I think they changed it up. The creativity using Tony, then they fake that outside zone, same look, throw it to Tony. He gets them inside the 10. Then they use Tony again and hand it to Fletcher from the full back position. So I thought Dawson had a bunch of answers. I thought Beck did made some, made some really nice plays. The first third down conversion he converted man was him buying time scrambling hitting his guys. So I was impressed with with Miami and the way they hung in there, getting down early, Indiana's been so good and so consistent. They outgained Indiana. Like their special teams let them down. Like that was the big play of the game where it looked like they weren't even paying attention. It was punt safe. It wasn't even a punt block. And Indiana gets a block punt and scores a touchdown. And that's the difference in the game, which is, which is crazy. Yeah, there's a lot there. I mean, especially on the punt, you know, 87 just lets come our go right past him. You know, and I understand why because here's the thing. Like when you do that little bit of a rugby style, you can't widen out. The more you widen out, you start to get in the way. So you got to stay tight and make him come tight off of that wedge because you want to keep him in the pocket. So it looks like he's not giving effort, but I understand what the gunner is doing. He's doing what he's supposed to, but the time to punt that took too long. Like that's the bottom line. It took way too long to punt it, but he's supposed to keep guys out of that inside. So he just wants to make him go around them and the punch should have been off. Right. But if it's not a block, maybe you're watching it going all right. Well, maybe I try to get a little chip onto this guy out there, but you're right because even on the broadcast, when they had timed the punt, they were like, Hey, that was a really slow punt on top. Everything else. I thought Dawson was terrific. The OC for Miami that Tony motion handoff to Fletcher inside. I mean, they had no one was even I'm going to talk about a handoff right as a goal line and no one's even touching Fletcher because the defense is so confused. I think that back third down conversion was a Daniels where he looks like, Hey, this is going to be nasty. This is going to be really bad. But you start, it always feels like in both the NFL and college like late when you need to move the ball because like, I'm watching that fall start for Indiana when it backs them up from second and one to second and six. And now you're like, Hey, we're not getting the new set of downs. We're not running clock here. So now we're we're kicking. And if they decide and that's one thing with back, it reminded me of the Alabama game when it was that show showdown with Milro where it's it's different when you're throwing like I have no choice to throw. He had a one on one shot on the left side. I think Marien was able to hang on to the football. That was an unbelievable ball. But it was also the part of Beck's mind where he doesn't want to throw those balls unless he feels that he has to, which is a different back conversation altogether. But you know, it's it's probably frustrating for Miami fans because you're thinking like, all right, once this guy like had no choice but to start opening it up, that's the best they looked on the offense other than, you know, the fletcher part of it who was carrying in them because they weren't doing anything through the air. There was one big pass play in the first half. You take that away. I think Beck would have had like 24 I think 24, 25 yards passing in that first half. So they're moving the ball all because of that fall start. They have extra clock. You're going to have plenty of time. And then he just misreads like that. There was just miscommunication on the interception, right? Well, I think he misread it. But here's the here's the bottom line. Carson Beck had a great season and it was fun to watch him. But Carson Beck's arm, he can't attack down the field like he's been really bad in the playoffs. He had the one against the old miss where's a busted coverage where it goes for a touchdown. But that's because it was a busted coverage. He doesn't throw the deep ball. Great. His arm is not fully back to strength yet of what it used to be. So throwing it down the down the field has just not been a strength. Indiana, I love the plan. Indiana is a aggressor. If you watch Indiana versus Oregon, it's late in the game. They're murdering them and they're still bringing blitzes. Like they they just they're still going for the jugular. What do they do against Carson Beck? Carson Beck is a elite versus zone coverage. He's so good. They dropped eight. The whole the whole first part of the game and Carson had no clue what to do with the football. Like because he wants to throw it and get rid of it in these timing windows. And I think they expected Indiana to be way more aggressive to get pressure. He had all day to throw to start the game. He had all day. But but he didn't understand the answers and they didn't they didn't have a plan for the answer. So it was great job by Indiana. And then you started to see Fletcher out of the backfield Tony out of the backfield. Like check those balls down. But but man, Indiana like they're so good Ryan. Usually when you watch tape man, one guy stands out in zone coverage. Like one guy has these elite eyes that you go man, he sees the ball and breaks on. So when the hands are on the ball, like as soon as they separate man, I'm supposed to break on the football as a DB as a linebacker as a safety. You got so many guys that doesn't happen. But the angle of the arm. So if I turn my shoulder this direction, obviously I got to throw it this way unless I'm my homes and I do this some of that crap. But like so I'm reading angles and breaking on the football Indiana man in that zone coverage. They do it so well. And they literally said that's not going to take deep shots. So now you're talking about literally like a team playing in the NBA that they get to the bucket. They get to the bucket. Well, we're just going to run zone and we're going to pack in the paint and you were going to make you shoot from the outside. And I think they wanted him to do it. They dared him to do it. DeAngelo Ponds on the outside was absolutely fantastic. If that dude was three or four inches taller and wasn't five seven, he played high school football with Jeremiah Smith, by the way. I bet they had some wars. But if he was a couple inches taller, he'd be the best corner back in the country. It wouldn't even be a debate with anybody. But I thought the plan for Indiana kind of caught them off guard. But I did think Dawson the counter punch to get the ball in the perimeter. I had done it the whole game though. Like if you're going to put Fisher in the game and you're going to keep your base, which Indiana does. They stay base the majority of the time. I'm going to spit the ball in the perimeter of the whole game and make you tackle them. I'm going to make you run sideline to sideline. I'm going to try to wear you out from that advantage. But it just took a little while for Beck and then to solve the puzzle of Indiana's drop in eight and confusing them. Yeah. I think Indiana was prepared for that Tony stuff and those those wide receiver screens. I thought early on they had the numbers for it. So maybe that's why they got away from it a little bit or whatever. But you're right. Like in some of those things I'm thinking about where Beck had time prior to the last drive there. When he had time, it's still that he just there wasn't anything there for him. And that dropped eight stuff. Like it's funny because sometimes I'll think about coverage, right? Because so many teams are obsessed with keeping everything in front of them. We don't want to get beat over the top or anything. And then sometimes you'll watch like when Lucas comes into the game and he starts jamming the Indiana receivers. And you're like, well, if you have a corner and a grain of you have to have the personnel for it. But like sometimes I think, why do you want to give up all of this this soft coverage? Like why do you want to give up some of these yards, especially knowing that Mendoza is like cool, especially on the the back or throw, refer to reek, miss the tackle. It looks like he went to the end zone. They reviewed it. It's stepped out of bounds. It didn't matter. They're scoring. But there's times when I look at teams going, sometimes when you sit down and attack these routes, it's so much harder because you don't feel like there's anything there. Like there's, I know you're worried about getting beat and double move. And like, hey, if they're going to sit on these routes, then we're going to have to adjust off of that. So maybe you're setting yourself up to stuff in the second half. So I guess I'm just, I feel like too many teams just baseline like, hey, let's just play off coverage on everything. Keep everybody deep the entire time. And it's like, yeah, but if you're just giving up some of these yards, like are you even giving yourself a chance as a defense to go, hey, maybe we need to jam up their timing here a little bit and be more physical. And when it's right, when it's done right and it's really physical like that, that feels to me far more daunting than any zone coverage that you would see. Yeah, it's hard to line up period and play zone the whole time. You know, like it's hard to do anything consistently. But you know, they try the pulp screen and try to run the tight end, you know, up the basically on a rail route up the sideline. And ponds is right there and breaks it up perfectly. You know, like the discipline within structure is really good. It is so good with them. I've never watched, I've never watched a defense Ryan and seen a defense stunt more up front and not get out of position. I don't know how they do it. I really don't because most of the time when you're a stunt and movement team like Indiana is on the D line, because they're not huge guys. But when you stunt move and then these big guys get their hands on you a lot of times they move you an extra gap or two gaps and it widens up and then you give up big plays. They don't do it, man. I mean, it's just it's impressive to watch their, their discipline within their system, their understanding of who they are, what they're supposed to do. Their DC is one of the best period in the business. Haynes is elite of elite and they did such a good job of, they did such a good job of mixing it up. But I think having a plan. But no, it's not it's not the individual talent. It's the collective of all those guys that work together that know their strengths, know their weaknesses. And here's another thing about playing corner. Man, these refs let these dudes play this postseason. Like they let them play. And so like I would be telling my DB's because here's what you do, man. Every, every coach when they go into a game, they have the, they have the scouting report on the referee, right? Like that we all have that now. Like it's literally this ref calls this, this and this. Okay, where your white gloves and with your white uniform are there, white uniform accordingly, right? Like you're, you're thinking about all the details of, of playing all these different positions. But, but you know, man, you got a way, you could mug people in this postseason. And here's the, here's why I like, I like more of that because I watched the NFL and I watched the bills and Broncos. They got decided by that bull crap that PIs those PIs late, which I didn't like. But, but, but here's what receivers have done such a good job evolving to. They know how that works. And receivers used to just hide their hands and just bring them up at the last second. Like don't bring your hands up early because that's when the DB punches through. Well, now receivers aren't doing that near as much anymore. Receivers are putting both hands on DB's. Both hands, like both hands on the DB to keep their hands off of them or keep their hands down and then making contested catches. So, okay, if I'm a DB, I'm afforded the same right. I need to be, if you're putting your hands on me, I need to be able to put my hands on you. So I think that's where they let that play. And you've got to be physical within those rules. But it definitely makes contested catches more at a premium. Because, because if you're going to let them play physical on the outside, who's going to make those plays and and Becker made several of them that just changed the game? The Game Time app gives the advantage back to fans and it's the hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in a few taps. It's incredibly easy to use. 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It's a more open party, but it's not open to the people that you're used to it being open to anymore, Ryan. Like, here's the thing. Here's who I want to be in this new world. I want to be Texas. I want to be Texas A&M. I want to be Texas Tech because they find more money in their couch cushions than we've ever thought about having. Like, I want to be Oregon with a billion dollar booster. I want to be Indiana with Mark Cuban and company. I want to be Michigan. I want to be Ohio State. Like, listen, those are billionaire clubs. Those are a different level, man. Those are the teams that I want to be. Like, if you're talking about who I get to go get, man, how about Texas? Texas just spent quarterback money on a wide receiver. They spent quarterback money. Like, I think you should, you're going to spend the most money on your quarterback. You have to, right? Like, that's the world we're living in. It's the most important guy. And the fact that they can just go get another five and be like, hey, you playing wide receiver. You ain't even had over 800 yards in your career like receiving in a season, but we're going to pay for you. Well, they saw the offense he was in last year. Agreed. Agreed. But like, but I just saying like, yeah, this, this is a new world, man. And I just so it's a new world, but you're not, you're not naming like Indiana type teams. Your name and blue bloods, even if tech doesn't, like tech is not historically what you're thinking of when you're thinking of Texas. I mean, it sounds like you just named a bunch of Texas schools and then Ohio state and Michigan. So like Oregon, Oregon. All right. But Oregon played for two national championships for any of this. So I want to know if you think like is just wake have a run in them, you know, like Indiana did this. What are you willing to believe as possible? Well, I think, by the way, as soon as you said that all I could think of was Kevin Garnett, anything's possible. But like that, the, here's the thing. I do think I don't think we'll see this again. I think this was obviously we've never seen it before. So it's hard to say we'll see it again. But I think this was a perfect storm of this isn't a elite coach that was at a, that was at a, it was a little smaller programs, but was still a really, really good football coach. And I don't know why he didn't get a job. I really don't probably like a little bit of his personality and who in the way he would get. I'm going to guess he rubbed some people the wrong way just like he does with some people out there. And that's probably why he didn't get an opportunity. But he obviously proven he's a great coach. But the timing of the world we're in to me has as much to do with it. Because the true blue bloods of the programs, the true blue blood programs, they, they haven't figured out the world yet because the world keeps changing. Like, like the history, the tradition, if all the tradition and the history and the money, if it's all equal, like we're going to have the same teams and it's the same teams we saw for all those years. But here's what happened now. Now you've changed the game. You've changed the money. The talent spread out all across the country now. So every, it's continuing to change. So who's going to be ahead of the curve? Who's going to evolve? The talent spread out so much that now that there is no team that has way more talent than everybody else like it used to. So now coaching matters. So I would say, well, I don't think we'll see it again. I think it was a perfect storm of rules being all influx, the system being crazy, whatever it is right now. No rules, wild, wild west and an Indiana stepped in with a plan, with a coach that had a plan that brought a bunch of his guys with him that built a veteran roster and found the QB that was the number one overall pick somehow, some way that nobody else could find. Because literally that's what happened because Miami needed a quarterback and they got Carson back. A lot of places needed a quarterback and for men, for Nana Mendoza was not high on every, was not number one guy on everybody's board that they were all looking to try to get. But he was on several people's in the South. I know several schools. I know Georgia was really high on, they wanted that way. They definitely look, they thought he was the number one guy in this class. So I don't think we'll continue to see it. But, man, we just did Ryan. Give the Lord. Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at with this and that. I think it's, as I said in the open up, I think it's discrediting Indiana's accomplishment by thinking, well, with these new parameters in place, like this is a very doable thing. And I say, I don't, I don't mean this is one of the greatest seasons we've ever seen. I've heard of it with the extra game, the expansion of the 12 teams, like you're going to have one Ohio state did and running through the teams that they ran through, you know, to win a national championship. Like that's a ridiculous resume of teams. What is it Notre Dame? It's Texas, it's Oregon in the rematch. It's embarrassing Tennessee at their place. So every team now that wins in a 12 team and granted, it's going to expand again. But you're going to have this run whoever ends up winning this whole thing of like this is ridiculous. But big 10 championship, Alabama humiliation, Oregon humiliation and credit to Miami for fighting back in this one. But it looked like it was going to be another one of this, these Hoosier games are absolutely rolling. You know, I don't think we'd ever seen undefeated team again. I literally didn't like, I thought, I thought those days were gone because of the expanded season now, the playoff, like I just didn't think we'd see it in Indiana. Doesn't like Indian because Ohio state couldn't do it a year ago with all that talent as good as they were like to bring it every single week and find a way not to mess it up. That speaks to how crazy, good, disciplined and structured and I mean, just how awesome this team was start to finish this season to make the plays and the Penn State game. A lot of people lose that game. The Iowa game, people lose that game. So like this team, like this is not 2019 LSU by any stretch of the imagination. But man, to run the table and go 16 and 0 like in this world in this era, like it's beyond mind blowing and it's beyond like you tip the cap. Like you definitely put this team in a different stratosphere to be able to do that. Do you think Ohio State Michigan winning titles or Indiana winning a title pisses off SEC programs more? Probably Ohio State Michigan because I feel like everybody was pulling for Indiana. It's like you know, little old Indiana like they've never been good. Especially against my I don't think Miami has a ton of neutral fans. I don't think Notre Dame has any neutral fans. Bama doesn't have any neutral fans. Yeah, I think you know, and what was kind of lost like I keep thinking about it like imagine if this game were you imagine it's a Columbus like great, you know, that would not be the venue for the national championship game because it's not in the bull venue cycle. But for Miami to also be playing at home on top of everything else like it was it was something that was easy to keep forgetting. Just because you know, when you think about my am be playing at home and playing in that stadium, it just doesn't feel the same as like other college venues. But I mean, the spread comes out and we're like Indiana's favorite by eight and a half, seven and a half. I think it kick. It's like they're actually playing a road game in the national championship, even if they felt like there was far more Hoosier fans inside the field. Yeah, I knew that right. Still like people were like, oh my gosh, Indianers are Miami's playing at home. I'm like, no, like that will be a that will be at least 60 40 Indiana. Indiana fans were so jacked. It was like 90 10 in the Mercedes Ben. Like they were so jacked to be there. And then Miami fans, they're not as you've been there a million times, right? Like they're not as they're not as they're not as willing to show up as much as as a lot of fan bases and travel. But but Christophe was definitely obviously helped us cause with what he did this year. Yeah, um, yeah, I think Miami, you know, no one wants to spend a ton of time on this, but the whole like to me, that's your back. You didn't have to win a national championship to be officially back as dumb as whatever grading system we have on this kind of stuff. But, you know, he he's through some of those years where it was talent and you're you're thinking, okay, but do I trust this guy? You know, do I trust that this guy is going to be able to do this? And you know, you can point to like anything in a game. You're like, oh, you shouldn't have done this or this was a mistake. Look, I think Sigmetti should have called the time out as soon as he knew Miami was going to wait and kick the field goal run the clock down. They would have had a minute left the way the ball and the way the ball moves and the clock stops in college football. Like I was kind of shocked from somebody who hasn't so bought it. And it also seemed like Sigmetti was upset about that. So maybe that was something he was thinking about after the fact that well, they're because you could see crystal ball when they were deciding to kick that field goal. He was talking to guys that do want to go for it. And then he was like, do you want to kick it? Yeah, we're kick it. We're going to kick it. Then they were on the clock and Indiana had the time out. So there's always something I just I'm saying this because I think we're way too hard on coaches with things that we can identify because most of us don't know what the hell we're talking about with adjustments and coverages and all that kind of stuff. So somebody doesn't use the time out, use the time out the wrong time. Then we all just jump on the guy be like, oh, this coach sucks. Can't believe you use that time out didn't use the time out there. I think crystal ball like at least the bigger picture crystal ball thing, the appearance in the national championship game, a team that was almost left out of the playoffs, depending on which outside of the Notre Dame argument you wanted. Maybe Bama's in there as well. I just think it's important for Miami fans to probably like acknowledge. Hey, a guy a lot of people thought was really good at bringing guys in, but maybe wasn't a great coach made it through these games and fought his way back no national championship. Listen, I'll admit I was wrong. I didn't think I didn't think crystal ball could do what he's done. I just I thought crystal ball was really good at assembling talent. The clock management was was really bad. Like an organ Stanford. I remember being there for that when it was very similar to the Georgia Tech game with the Georgia Tech games like an all like that's a tough one to ever lose off of your resume. But go ahead. Dude, organ Stanford was the exact same thing. It was the exact same thing. They lost the Stanford because of because of doing the same thing and fumbling late. So you saw those things, but but I do think like he's done an unbelievable job of building his culture. And when you go to those practices, man, like flying around like they are flying around with energy. All the coaches have energy like it's a it's a you can tell man. And then the the bodies are just enormous. Like they're just they're they're dinosaur bones. Like they're just crazy. They picked the they picked the right type of guys. They built it his style his way. And then the recruiting has been fantastic. And how about identifying the quarterback because cam wore a year ago being the number one pick going and getting back like Mensa is next, right? Like you've got to understand that position and get people involved and make sure you get that spot. How about their coordinators? I think he's done a great job with this coordinator because he's had to he's had to change coordinators around left and right. And and and now I think he's got two really, really good ones that are young that are that are solid. Like that I think will be with him. So I think Chris the ball has done an unbelievable job. And he's done it his way. And he's a Miami alum and to watch him do it with you can tell he's got pride in it. You can tell he's got purpose in it. And so I mean, I give him a lot of credit for what he's been able to build and they ain't going nowhere that this is the this is the foundation like last year you saw a lot of signs of this to come like they just had to fix some things defensively. They fixed some things defensively. They had the the number one pick in the draft and now you see it take off and they got some ace kickers man some guys that just that that that attack and fight in the way they play with their effort man like that's all you need to do is turn on their defensive tape and watch Bain and Mesador who are who are first round draft picks they'll run 20 yards down the field if they need to like they play their freaking butts off and that's because coaches coach their butt off you take on the identity of your coach. Last thought you're down in the South you're running a lot of the high school kids. Have you heard any high school kids being like I want to play Indiana now? No, but but man like here's the thing. I don't mean to ask that is like a knock on any of this one. I just think exactly what you're saying. I think it's just like me when I took my official visit to Ohio State Ryan and I laying on the ground and I was like mom what's that white stuff? And she's like that snow I'm like oh absolutely not no no no I'm not doing that. I think that will still be a real thing but here's the thing like they've got obviously Hoover in the in the transfer portal and they got Mars they'll they'll be more talented moving forward like and they'll they'll be more talented in a lot of spots but don't think that I don't that doesn't mean I think that they're going to be more talented all of sudden this is going to be business as usual like again that was a once in a lifetime quarterback that you just got like that doesn't happen very often like that was that was incredible to have that guy so I'm very interested to watch it but they're going to get more talented players but more talented players and more highly paid guys in spot that doesn't mean you're better you're a better lead team. This team had this man a bunch of guys that they were told they were too small and you don't deserve to play big time college football like that forges you and gives you something different maintaining that is completely different but like the story is the story and it's the greatest story we've seen in college football it's going to be a movie one day it has to be right like that's how you should write it Ryan you're the writer over here like it's got to be a movie it's it's something that we've never seen this would be one of the books I would read because I would want to know more about dignity you know if the book came out last year if the last last year the book came out I'd be like no thanks I'm good um but when he walked on set like when he walked on set before the game and just the poster pair of other things he's definitely he's definitely got that listen you got to believe in yourself before people believe in you like a lot of times like you've got to have that inner belief in that like I'm gonna do it my way and screw you and um he is one of the one of the four most people I would think of like I'm doing it my way shut the heck up I'm not worried about what you say and you if I know you as well as I think I do would that be your kind of guy so uh hey thanks so much man let's just do it again soon see ball get ball please subscribe to David show on youtube it's terrific and uh he's our guy we'll talk to him again soon you demand Ryan thank you brother at bubble we're all about helping you find someone who vibes with the real you this year meet real people on bumble who actually want you for you whether you're looking for big soul shaking love or fun casual dates on bumble clear and honest intentions lead to better matches when you say what you're looking for upfront you get more in line in meaningful connections with features like photo and ID verification you feel more confident the person you're talking to is real start your year off with real connections on bumble download bumble today you want details bye I drive a Ferrari 355 cabriolay what's up I have a ridiculous house in the south fork I have every toy you can possibly imagine best of all kids I am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required live advice live advice rr at gmail.com we have Kyle and Steve when we're ready to go all right um let's go with the Kyle one here I've got these AI things now in the emails and even though it's really nothing and super easy to ignore it starting me off a little bit today is it because the emails have a certain structure where dudes are giving you their stats that AI doesn't know what to like does it not understand what the point of the emails are just because we have a certain style of our inbox um I don't know what's going on I mean it's a great question I don't know what's going on understood it's kind of how I feel like general I don't know I yeah sure yeah somebody wild videos rolling around last night of Jimmy Johnson I saw that just my parents are being fooled left and right you didn't see it yeah I don't know it's yeah I was a gross okay yeah it was weird it was kind of shitty actually shocker um but I did see like that like now we're going just down a whole rabbit hole but I set my my friends this like is it open AI is set to lose like $14 billion this year and it's like shocker who could have seen that coming they overestimated how awesome they were doing anyway I'm a little I'm a little I don't have anything to add I ever looked at their core I'm a little worried for my AI I think because I still get fooled by those fake sports breaking news accounts just sent one to Ryan like two weeks ago sentinel about the it was any fake fake uh St. John's one that's the fake thing they're Brian Curtis from the press box and I was like God that's so embarrassing and that's not even AI that's just a guy who knows how to make graphics that look like any other sports website so I'm just I'm worried for the future I don't consider myself a a huge dumbass but the fact that I still get caught by those things uh don't feel bad because I mean like actual you know I think ESPN's gotten screwed by ball sack sports like half a dozen times so I do love that I think you're all right it happens yeah but yeah the my it used to be like you know hey my parents would send me this email or this video like oh guys come on like and now it's like I don't even know man I sure there's like some natural disaster that you see and it's like now that's fake is that real is it fake I don't know or then it's like oh this was actually from 2011 and this has a right place and like I guess I wouldn't have known that so my sniffer isn't as good as I thought yeah I'm supposed to be in the age gap I'm supposed to be sending you stuff that's right now I know I'm sorry I'll try to cut that all I can think about is like nursing homes at when I'm nursing homes in 30 years they just can be like hey there's no internet no phones in here like we'd take a handle we're off the grid there's a there's a I'm only sorry right now risk that's what we have yeah I'm pre bummed out about the stuff I'm early gonna be tricked by 20 years there's no way I'm gonna be able to keep it how do I sign up for that dude I want to be in like you know if I'm ever happy to be in a nursing home like I just give me just like an Xbox give me like yeah I'll play risk like I'm not online I don't need no not online all we learn settlers of guitar yeah all local stuff yeah we'll just play you know two controllers you know whatever you want to do you know we just have like a huge monopoly party I'll sign up for that I take a tow board you know that's fine just leave me there that would be pretty interesting if you start projecting out nursing homes I and I hate this topic but like would you be playing vids when that makes sense like generationally yeah yeah buddy talk about this all the time yeah like hopefully we can get hooked up in the same one and we just you know do like a an NCAA dynasty and we're just doing on the same one and there you go crazy right old guy's out doing over again old guys have been doing like cards was their thing for like a thousand years and then with us it's gonna be like Xbox there you go crazy it's like I'm playing cards first time though it's you I do both cards are great a lot of time yeah cards are great I got nothing but time I'm gonna be a guy with scapes yeah I could see that yeah our cellos going again here you go what is it yeah silverware just go for a little bit yeah that's a fun name yeah like I'm not doing this today we had one LPR recently I got like where's my phone he started smoking remember that's right lifelong dream of this actually finally did it there's a couple things but let's just keep him moving here yeah AI no I had an AI story I'll just make it quick it was crock it right and someone was like what is were silo's avatar and they were groggy's like oh I didn't see that yeah it was like it's all dirty bastard right because it's rustle and then the russillo joke that russillo makes all the time yeah it was like who who's on the controls today over there guy it's not it's always been five dog which was there was a personal reason behind it because I he had hit me up right before he died and I didn't get back to him because I was he'd asked me a question about like hey I'd like to do some more stuff and I was like yep and then I'm I was I didn't say anything because I was trying to think of like what would make sense to be able to use him on the show a little bit more regularly and then you know he died I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I'm super super close to the guy but he's one of my all-time favorites and got to meet him and hang out with him a bunch of times and you know he loves love sports and so I just was like I'm gonna leave it up there whatever I mean that's that's my decision and I'll never ever forget that fucking dork of an actor who let's say some non-high approval russillo phase is there who like came after me and started like changing it to Maclamor because he was like basically saying I was like trying to be cool but then I didn't deserve it the hip hop because he was so fucking cool and I'll never forget who that actor is well it sounds like I'm gonna ask you off air because yeah like you're gonna drop that gem fucking dork um anyway it's a big rock put him in a bikini have you seen have you seen uh you know speaking of the i stuff like they'll be like hey how many s's are in the word messenger and like it they'll be like three and it's like no like it's two though you'll be no no no it's definitely two it's definitely two and then it'll respond to be like nope there are three s's and messenger and you're like whoa this is what we spent all this money baseline yeah it's a good baseline right now yeah that's not a good but I think long term it's gonna be like will laugh about these early days there's just too many times where it's like the first time something's new and it's like oh this is stupid internet what's that for right you know I remember those conversations so I um not telling you I'm long AI but I just I hope this this this entire thing that we just did is is not collectively like being dismissive of it but it is funny when it screws it up here's like all right but like it's so common it's almost like delusional signetti delusion yeah like boy you're feeling yourself right now Gemini all right yeah what's the even back to a small town yeah six four two oh five can rep two twenty five eight times max was twelve NBA comp Kevin love used to be a rebounding machine could score from multiple levels new what I was doing with the Ella passes to since college I've moved further away from the paint so I'm not walking to work with a busted of anklarnese still love to play though 27 years old grew up in a small town of the Midwest parents still live there good amount of my high school friends there as well um dude you're 27 and you're already staying away from the paint that's six four come on man don't love that yeah yeah parents still live there in a good amount of my high school friends as well who I'm still very close with I moved after college you a large city in the south and have enjoyed my time here I'm not married to this city or any city for that matter it sounds like we get a free wheel and wheels up dude yeah let's go let's go yeah but here's a predicament that I've not had to face in my young adult career I'm starting to dislike my job in industry for the first time ever no way I work in real estate development and have for the past six years see I always would have thought I whatever uh join it most of those six years seeing a lot of success growth promotions for the first time I've had thoughts of going to a new company in the same industry your switching industries completely this is pretty standard for guys later 20s but here's the catch yeah it's totally standard all right here's the catch my dad has owned a small business back home for generations and his family I always thought the only reason I moved back home would be to transition into the next generation of owning this business as a small town doesn't have many options for great jobs that'd be interested in we my dad and I have had no real conversations about this until after I told him I was frustrated my job since then my dad is my dad has started the conversation to see if I'm interested in coming home and working for this will lead to me moving back north and taking over when he's ready to retire in a few years I don't hate the idea but I wish it was offered to me in a few more years uh when I'm in my younger 30s and probably more ready to move back closer to home I still like the bigger city faster pace lifestyle I currently have I recently broke over the short term girlfriends so do not have anyone I need to convince or persuade to move if I choose that a lot of yapping for me hey you fit in perfect here uh but I really just want to hear your guys thoughts on being my age and making these tougher decisions I do not think either option is bad but it's a big step of either going back to a slower pace living style not to mention the limited dating pool back home versus where I am now or staying where I am and only traveling home for holidays and big advice big big events excuse me all right looking for thoughts think you know which way I'm leaning I'm having a fucking blast lately so I would say this was great I'm actually you know staying in the in a little bit of a small town right now which has grown on me quite a bit I understand what he's talking about with some of the drawbacks uh I guess the question is like your dad's retiring right he's not like terminal or something so if you take this over you don't like it and then you basically like decide to do something else he's gonna be fucking crushed so like to like decide to take over this family business that sounds like it's been passed down that he's been toiling away for years and he's like getting ready to figure out the next thing he's gonna retire when he's gonna retire so if you take it as like like taking a flyer on it and it doesn't work um back it actually be really crushing for that dude so I mean you'd have to like if the I think I'd want to hear a little bit more excitement in your email about potentially doing this so that's the one thing I'd worry about I love the whole back home thing and you know your your normal day is like around the people you love and think about most that's really honestly I feel rich in that department but if you're like hey I guess I probably should do this maybe I mean I don't hate the idea but like it's kind of a big commitment like he's passing this thing to you where he whereas he could have sold it or where you know found the next successor um it just I think you should want to maybe do this business a little bit more than it sounds like you want to sounds like he's just saying it doesn't sound horrible yeah I wonder what the gig like what what the industry is you know I think that you know it's something it's hardware no it was it's not totally every small town needs to have a hardware to it so I totally could have I could see you running a hardware store oh my god I drive I know I'm a hardware store yeah it's great I I'll back you although I could see your friends coming over and stealing screws and stuff no no the couple of them would steal screws what do you got through it it'd be a tab open he got so I'll just avoid this at all costs okay um I only ask because like it just like how how easy is it for you to learn this whatever this is is it something that like you don't have to put a ton of you know yeah just because you're in a shower it's even smarter than everyone right like I just think like so my dad owns plumbing heating air conditioning company he retired recently but like he kind of knew from I think I've told the story before he kind of knew from really aged that like just wasn't going to be for me and honestly I don't think he wanted me to be a plumber either which the irony now is like do plumbers like you're killing it like so I eat like those do's make a ton of money um at least like is you know nobody want to do these garnishes I was fully if you want to use Fridays to be a one once a new plumber I'm all for it start doing our jobs yeah see I I will say becoming a a homeowner I have like learn things like mostly through YouTube about how to do stuff I get some electrical work at the old house that was kind of crazy you you to electrical work is scared it was scary it was not I don't think my life is super confident but the light got fixed and we it looks it looked pretty good um but like my you know my dad went to trade school he he you know my the business would have you know is basically is my dad was my dad and like so like transitioning to somebody else like the business would not exist without him like in this business like is this something that you're just sitting in a chair basically like signing checks and like it just kind of runs itself or do you have like how much effort do you have to put into this and then you know obviously how much effort does your dad expect you to put into this so uh you know I think you just got to you know I could you just be real with your dad and say hey like I want to do this you know could you could I have a few years more of just like I like living in the city like what do you just not retire yet you wait a whole lot with his timeline is just doing a couple of more years so yeah but I really just fair to have like what what is the transition plan is it two years is it five years yeah how long do you need to sit next to you like I think have that conversation and you know if he's like hey yeah this is like a five year thing where I want you to be by my side and like I really I you know hey I built this business I wanted to be successful so you have to do these things then there's your answer maybe he might be cool and be like oh yeah like come in you know a couple years from now keep living your thing when you turn 30 come back here and we'll figure it out so I think that's the kind of the conversation you have to have but you have to be respectful your dad obviously because like he's the one that's hooking you up here but I'm with Kyle to like maybe be a little more enthusiastic about this because it sounds like a pretty good hookup because you could tell your life yeah your life has way more you know shit that you need to figure out so if you were like oh that wasn't a thing you'll find the next thing he'll just have his business crashed or whatever you know what I mean like so it would be it would be crazy if your dad like Logan Royd you out of it it's like you actually move back you don't have you're not a killer it's just like yeah you're just not a serious person I can't I can't leave this to you I'm gonna stay on maybe another 10 years just living in the countryside estates I think you guys nailed it I'll just add a little bit to here you don't seem you seem like it's just a thing and one thing that's in your favor is that you're his son so if you want to delay like this can't be a maybe I'll do this because once you do this then you kind of are signing up for that kind of for the rest of your life all right so say that at least for the rest of his life yeah I'm in a conscience do you want to bail on this thing that your dad hooked you up with yeah of course not right like you can't go into this being like you know what this really isn't for me you know so why don't you get all that shit out of your system and move around and try something else different if there's no timeline that you have to come back and rescue the store lifetime banter and central right that's right like you don't you don't have to do this right now so are you are you kind of like in that rut of dating we're like I guess I get data for a little while you know that's kind of what this feels like a little bit you're not you don't want to actually date the person is just like this is an option that presents yourself to distract you from your general malaise about everything else that's going on so I would I would hold off I would maybe be like hey look timeline wise it doesn't really matter he's probably super excited about the idea he's going to get spend more time with his son you're coming back I think it'd be really tough for you to come back and not be all in and then pull the plug like if you get some of this stuff out of your system or maybe you end up pursuing something else totally different that this is now no longer an option at least you weren't like messing with him here so you know and look you said some things they're like hey small town dating pool and also you're 27 and you're not 37 also so right that is also the time when I think dudes who've been out of college and been out of a certain track for a couple years are like wait a second like retirement is a while away and what did I did I screw this up did I fuck this up where it maybe you're just having a couple you know boring months or whatever like it I think it's totally it's not a midlife crisis by any means but I do think like upper 20s when you're like maybe on some sort of track that's outside of just like you know a job and you're actually into a career a couple years in and you're just like wait a second should I should I am I too far down this path so like I think that's a totally normal feeling for you know young dudes to have as well I will say too as a as a guy who spent a lot of summers and breaks you know in the truck working with the guys that I'm so happy to open up my dad owned like you can't just show up there and take over and have these people's respect either like this isn't like you need to you probably need to earn a lot of these people I don't like I don't know the industry so I'm just speaking from like my own personal maybe see if you got some car hearts in your closet for you I don't and now you know in your north dish they they snipped it on me no I think they mostly liked me because I realized like I didn't know what I didn't know and I was a good hang for the most part and you know whatever uh gonna get that boss as kids tank off your cool but if you just show up and start like bark and orders of people and they're like what was it you know was that where this guy come from he didn't put in the actual hours like that's not a good place you want to be either if you guys could own any kind of fall in business what would you want to run bar restaurant I think it's a coffee shop um thought about this a lot yeah but there's a lot of coffee shops so it's like is that's just what would you be special about yours my coffee shop I'm I'm a pretty good I'm I'm pretty good at making espresso and have one at the house enjoy it every day two p.m. I'm an afternoon espresso guy uh but they're it's just no exaggerated market so I don't know I don't have I don't really have it I even thought about it in full yet so I got a I got a what makes me special I don't know I don't like your business plan that's why I haven't figured it out yet like I I think for if we want to talk about what would send my potential business to part I think uh definitely patio you can't smoke um patio for smoking uh but really nice like put put like a ring game out there we're not gonna have like fucking jenga blocks at every table make it like a dope like a jenga summer camp I mean some more is a little precious it's like oh this one that we have connect for and this one we have jang it's like all right what are we doing here but ring game saw that in Colorado early 2000s yeah ring game yeah it's something like that um I just said a collectic menu like for some reason I really been into cheese curds lately for I's fried cheese curds not the mop we could skip the mott sticks do something like that uh so I'm midwestern flare in the non wow gotta have a good burger you could have big and egg and cheese is anytime of the day if you'd like and they'll be mod they'll be modestly priced now that you know this one's $15 for some reason um yeah just a couple things we'll always have you at scores like yeah yeah attentive people there'll be a cheat sheet of what the channels are so if you're like can you put this on they're saying what channel is true TV that's never gonna happen in the bar so like there's like just a couple of things but I do I think I think people would notice some of those small things you'd be like that is nice we can't smoke out there and you could bring your beer that's cool you don't have to stand out front like you wait for a bus anyway I like it okay I think you've thought about it more than sorruti's thought about it yeah I would openly admit that if I had if I had seed money I'd know which check out with you you know sorruy's gonna sit there and hand you a cappuccino with some sort of fucking Italian jelly trying to act like your Florence like I need a little more than these days well I have thought about like do I like opening like a but again I live in like a town that you need to do this in a city so I'd have to move but like is it like a soccer coffee bar where like you could watch all the games in the morning as much TVs around we make good coffee like a north there's opening three in the morning we'd probably open that's the thing too is I'm not a morning person so you scroll it at halftime like how's everything going but now yeah sorruti's coffee shop opens at one you'd have to open at six six a.m. so that would be a tough turn around this would probably be you know post like you know all this stuff you know before the nurse your home yeah yeah yeah yeah after the audio wrap some of some maybe money to to waste but yeah I think that could be cool and then like you know it's open from like six a.m. to two in the afternoon you know maybe you watch champions like final there it's your it's fun yeah you're talking to everyone go to cigarettes you guys get there yeah we get out I'm pro cigarette I have no issue with you outside but this podcast loves smoking wild tough time to get in they're very expensive these days really guys missed the good old days it'd be funny though like sales reaches out to us we're like well this has an app marble it wants to get involved believe it's one of the sponsors second all right let's read another email for the record I would like to own a lumberyard we've already looked into it I don't think it's gonna happen they're pretty expensive why why are you kidding me umber be awesome I don't I'm genuinely I genuinely don't know why why is that awesome I just think it would be awesome I drive past one around here it looks it looks like a pretty cool thing though I would love it gonna careful with how much you ordered though right I mean well that's what you would learn you know you'll probably learn the hard way cow a couple times what is what that again your buddy at a breakout knowing is would go mad at can you just like what's the big deal all right so you just hold on to some lumber yeah depends on how you're storing you know yeah which kind of stuff that's right I guess though yeah that's the word is northeast probably tough finish carbon you finish carbure's like you're not gonna buy product from you if you believe in that stuff outside is this not kill and drive the hoodies the palette trucks like a kidding definitely starts smoking all right look some snacks just show up blue diamond almonds and more shows out almonds cashews and pistachios in bold flavors like honey roasted smokehouse and roasted sea soul freshness guaranteed and clutch in crunch dot every bite drive blue diamond almonds and more the flavorful nuts new fan of the show can't wait for the wine to drop the wine is real the wine is really happening so they asked me about a saying the other night and I don't think we got it approved but I wanted it's actually I'm gonna give the Colorado guys who started the whole soft kick so shout out to the Colorado guys from men ver you know who you are right Gary collado JC etc and so they used to all drink sov and their favorite thing to do would be like is it too late to say I'm so be and they just started handing them out to everybody and it worked I'm telling you right now it worked you're gonna put that on the bottle and I tell you just start handing out soves to everybody that's like people they didn't know and somehow they just they wish I like that more I know I know I got to get it all surprised I like it like the saying yeah I guess you kind of had to be there I mean I just you know right honestly you kind of whispered it I think maybe if you were like full-throating it like maybe it would have it would sound better I think anybody over six feet tall handing a girl a sov singing beaver while they're doing it yeah you're under a same power the commitment level of how I'm expecting you heard it that time would probably be better anyway yeah so is it too late to say savvy we're gonna put on the bottle but I think that's gonna get approved I think there's some might be too close I don't know who wrote the lyrics not parody law although you could look at the you could look at the label and be like maybe this is a parody one no wine spectator gave this one a 76 all right I'll just that there's not gonna be as much as there should be and it'll all be gone and we'll never get to try it because there's like a limited amount of bottles in the hype so big it's like only a few people even know what it's even like though that sounds like somebody really wants a bottle and Erdi is pre-upset about being left out so now because of your guilty pitch I'll have to make sure something set aside for you you will love that you will definitely get some I love that I'll share it with you Rudy thanks dude yeah I met when you guys come to visit and have a bottle is left over and I'm like all right put out your glasses new kind of the show six six two oh five a lot of height on this average in six five in email right now really six six yeah yep finally taking the gym seriously added 15 pounds since September progressing from skinny to lanky player comp Steve Novak so we probably didn't need to hear that from you sir Rudy too sorry now yeah he's added 15 pounds of good beef a group of my college friends live in the same city one of them let's call them Nico is Greek well that name works good job took myself in three friends to his homeland a few summers ago we had a great time towards the end of the week we talked about how we have to come back in the future since Nico goes to see family every summer he then told us his older sister by four years who we've befriended but don't see frequently was going to get married in Greece and he might be able to get his invite so over the last year or so that trip that wedding and our reason for going back to Greece together were a continual topic of conversation since then one firm from the triple call Mike he and I moved in together around the middle of last summer Mike started work on uh started working outrageous amount and hasn't been around much it's got to the point where people will joke with me as Mike even alive we haven't seen him in months although it's known some finance jobs have brutal hours Mike wouldn't tell people he can't make it to stuff he just stop texting our friends everyone's still consider themselves close and good friends with Mike but after a while of Mike not responding people just stop reaching out then in mid-December the wedding invites got sent out all of us from the original trip got one except for Mike and he doesn't know yet dumb dumb dumb wow this is a nasty not invite it is his invite didn't disappear it went to a girl Nico used to casually see from our broader friend group he has since cut that off not wanting to be serious Nico's sister does know her and they're friendly but not as close as the rest of us are Nico is insisting who got the invites wasn't his decision well I doubt his sister invited your hangout pal right hey do you want to make sure you hook up at my wedding yeah all right should I wish I might Nico is assisting again the invites weren't his decision but his sisters which everyone including this girl finds suspicious to complicate things further Mike's job finally started letting up and he started to hang out with all of us again oh no and when we've approached Nico about telling Mike he's not invited to the wedding he said quote that's not my job that's my sister man this is a real he goes a real he goes a hands-off type of friend someone sit back friend yeah yeah someone's yeah maybe just a shithead um which isn't going to happen it's just an excuse I live with Mike I live with Mike and our lease goes to the end of April and then I give a two-thirds chance we move in our own apartments after that my current plan is not to tell Mike unless he asks me directly just wait out our lease and hope Nico or someone else so so you're not a sick friend either Christ Jesus yeah yeah who should tell Mike and how and what should I do is this remain which part are you gonna tell you think divide and conquer this I'll just say this is someone when you're mad and Mike is gonna be really mad I mean maybe he doesn't get maybe he doesn't get but most people would be really mad about this and then to not tell him and you're his roommate and you already know when you're mad and then you get extra things to be mad about the original thing you're so fired up could turn this out yeah I get to be even more mad I'm psyched I can be mad about this you start collecting all these different things to be mad about you have to tell him yeah okay and the best thing about you telling him is wasn't your decision you didn't do it to him so the longer it goes now you become guilty in this entire cocktail of shame um so you get out in front of it so that way you'd be like I have nothing to do with this but you need to know if you don't if you're gonna wait until the lease and then move in other places and then guys are going to grease and Mike's like hey what happened with all that it's like oh and he's gonna go you knew and you're like oh sorry he's like you never told me anything else so if you ever want to still be friends with Mike again everybody's different so maybe Mike's threshold for all this stuff you know who knows maybe Mike doesn't even want to go but probably not you have there's no choice like you have to be a man about this and go look and the best part about this is that you're not the one doing anything to yeah yeah so it's not like you're admitting hey I did this you have anxiety of admitting this mistake that you've made that's going to upset your friend uh this Nico character the the mad Greco over here certainly he's let this get out of hand not my problem yeah you're caught you're in a great spot actually great great great is not awesome I shouldn't say great but like you better brother your liability is zero yeah you yeah you're like kind of being like the you know Mike's boy here this is this is awesome and it's not and it wouldn't be weird if this just came up like what are they gonna ask you the exact surface circumstances of how this wedding came up but hey it came up in conversation I told them we were going like what am I I'm not playing secrets with this guy so yeah there's no way you can't tell them if you like Mike at all if you respect Mike at all there's zero you have to tell because that's incredibly yeah what was the did I miss the roommate thing he's like we're also planning on dumping him no he just said our leases through April and then we're probably gonna get our own apartments you know guys getting older get our own apartments I thought yeah me and this other dude that's going to the wedding okay yeah I'm gonna be straight with the emailer here like that plans fucked up too man like let me just ride this out to the lease breaks and now we're gonna be in separate places and then that way I'm kind of like wash my hands we've been saving up buddy yeah there's no news for you yeah yeah well Nico's really let this thing I don't know if this is the right analogy but like I remember when I was in ninth grade I had a party that like I had to convince my mom to like let us have some you know mostly dudes come over we're just gonna be outside and then word had gotten around and like a lot of people started showing up and like people started blowing shit up and I was like I'm in so much trouble are we at explosion party that's great yeah they were like blowing up it was like ax cans like I didn't make an ax can explode or something you know like stuff like that kind of harmless but I'm like all right this isn't something that probably approved of it was pretty awesome but then like other got dudes with just doing that dudes and trucks started showing up I'm like I don't think I know anybody with a truck I'm fucking 14 it got a little bit crazy and I was just like all right my mom is this is the one thing yeah there were beers around this is like the one thing that wasn't allowed to happen and I just went to sleep because I was like if I'm unconscious for this it's not my deal that's not how she actually slapped me in front of everybody in the next morning when when we woke up it was actually everyone was like holy shit but I am like in my twisted brain I was just like if I'm not a part of this anymore it's not my problem which is kind of what's going on with Nico and he's got to kind of wake up a little bit if I could do that party again I probably would have tried to stop it but that's that's the only thing we can we so you were 14 you have to somebody's over to break things with just a trampoline there was a trampoline like it was like but yeah but the stakes are gonna get raised somebody's got a lighter on them yeah what can we set on fire within reason a control fire yeah right and then dudes with moustaches licenses keys girlfriend's beers yes started showing up yes 14 year olds party yes and then you were like well if I go to bed the party's over for me yes yes they stayed there yes now I don't blame because you were if you were 14 maybe you were 15 maybe it was 15 yeah I'm gonna just 15 if I was always the youngest in my class so I don't know oh so then maybe you were 14 could have been really yeah who who how did the party end I don't know I went to sleep at not everyone was there when I got back when I pretty sure somebody like dude slept on the trampoline like they were like it's just I don't know again I it was delusional but I in my own screwed up had it's like this is getting out of hand and I seem to be on the hook for this and so not my problem anymore if if you guys explode another thing I wasn't there I couldn't have been there to okay this or I don't know that was just like my my fucked up brain at the time was just like I'm already in so much shit you brain wasn't for you was developing yeah you know it's not your fault it's like if you did this without my knowledge I think it's better for me but I don't know yeah I mean technically I kind of like what you did it's like if I go to sleep then the day is over yeah yeah yeah that's why I was thinking with Nico it's just like this isn't my deal anymore my my sister's right in the show I started this whole thing but this is where I get off so good luck everybody I'm not even sure it's a perfect I don't think it is but no but I'm so glad that you shared that with us that I don't even we've been at this a long time I was like I don't think I've told the story so I was like I'm always wondering if I'm out of stories but how's your head it was really really stiff this morning put it put it on a put a tight sock over it but moving around stairs are tough again the mornings I'm we're still close to the morning it's like 12 o'clock here I've been up for like you know four or five hours so you know it's never worse than it is in the morning so I think by the end of the day I'll feel better tomorrow morning I'll feel shitty again and hopefully in all just a lessen as we get closer okay all right we'll get an update on that tomorrow we're banging out well no we're not a weird color I'll tell you that I was waiting for it to get a all black and purple and so far not a weird color at all it's good yeah I'm glad bless not like that it's a good sign okay thank you to Kyle Steve Tom Kevin please subscribe Ryan Russell's show parcel sports