Prompting Is 2025. In 2026, We Should Let The AI Prompt.

Prompting is 2025, right? So in 2026, we should let the AI prompt.

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What do you think is the most important then to be honest?

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Leadership skills. So it may be counterintuitive. And what we've seen is more and more that it's about leadership skills, communicating very clearly, delegating task critical. Think about everything you receive from an AI. So we're only 10 people, but we are scaling very, very fast. And it was only possible because of those over 50 AI assistants which we have right now within the organization. So we start introducing a new leadership layer within leaders of AI, new team leaders. But of course we didn't introduce humans but AIs. And having AIs who are solely purpose is leading other AIs doing compliance checks, delegating tasks, progress providing feedbacks and so on was certainly a point which fascinates me till this day. I think one of the best antidotes to being afraid of anything is education. Because if you know the boundaries of such a technology, you are able to very well tell where you are needed and what the technology should do. And that's why one of the most successful approaches for transformation with AI is not talking with your employees about efficiencies and market value and all that stuff, but rather about painful processes they have on a daily basis.

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We talked to Dominic Van Prek of Leaders of AI Today about his system of getting AI agents to work as colleagues next to you by your side, 15 to 50 AI agents and how easy it is to create them. Because one thing is really interesting prompting is that we do that differently. We do this through AI agents. So looking forward to the interview with Dominic. Welcome to another episode of the Beginner's Guide to AI. It's Dietmar from Argo Berlin at the microphone. Please go to beginnersguide nl to follow the newsletter and go to AI for the 99%, my other podcast for the small medium enterprises. We have some tips and tricks. But before I talk too much here, let's give the microphone to Dominic and see how AI agents can work for you.

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Yeah, Today we have Dominique Van Brook here and you know these people. I can talk a lot about him and about pr, text and whatever, but I want to give the microphone directly to him. But first of all, Dominik, welcome to the podcast.

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Thanks for the invitation, Ditmar. I'm really looking forward to our today's talk.

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Great. So AI Dominique, why AI? What did kick you the topic AI? Why did you go into AI?

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So to be honest, I. I work for nearly two decades now in AI and what most people don't know is AI is roughly 70 years old. So I was really late to the party, to be honest. But I studied computer science and physics in Germany and during that time there were other terms like machine learning, pattern recognition and all that stuff. And I was really fascinated during my studies in physics during to understand how we can use data to find patterns and use that to have, for example, better health programs. And that got me addicted, so to say. And they then studied not just physics but computer science and founded my first startup during that time, which was already an AI startup but in the pre ChatGPT era, so to say. And what we were doing during the time was we were trying to trying to create new educational programs who were highly adaptive and were super personalized using artificial intelligence and machine learning algorithm to adapt to the needs of the learner, to be able to learn soft skills like empathy and creativity faster and more efficient and also leadership. And I sold that company four years ago to the German market leader and then I founded my new startup leaders of AI.

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And with leaders of AI, you have one topic and this is AI and teaching AI to basically I read about you have your Microsoft Red Bull, ergo SAP. So you're definitely going for business clients there.

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Absolutely. So we have an academy for AI transformation, which means that we teach people how to build an organization which works hybrid. So humans and AI work hand in hand and we teach them how they build teams consisting of AI assistants. And for the last two years we taught over 3,000 managers from S&P 500 companies, like for example Google, but also German ducks companies. But to be honest, I'm very passionate about the German Mittelsstand so the SMB companies in Germany, because it's a tough crowd, but I strongly believe that we have so many hidden champions who do a great job globally that we need to help them stay very competitive in today's landscape.

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Yeah, that's really interesting. I'm a marketing guy, small agency, focusing on the same group of people there with my Marketing and I think there's so much potential and, and, but like you said, it's a hard crowd. What do you think is the. Why did you. That's first of all, why did you go there? If it's much easier to go to corporations, people have to take your classes or they are motivated in the small medium sized enterprises, it's tough to get them to AI, I guess.

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Yeah, well, in one word it's all about impact. And I mean if you're working with the big corporates, usually you have a small division or a small department with which you work with and you're trying to change the company or make an impact within the organization and it's quite tough to be honest. But if you have a owner led business, an S and P company that's maybe in the hands of the family still and you are able to convince them what might be possible and I mean for example, when the baby boomers retire in the next five years, how can you collect all those intuitive knowledge within the organization and how can you cope with that big problem of people not being available anymore? And when you're able to convince them using AI usually it's like the flip of a coin. The company changes within an instance and they are trying to be very fast. And when the owner makes a decision, it's really, really fun seeing what, what's possible for change or transformation in such an organization.

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I see. This is. So it's basically easier to go to the small firms because you just have to convince one person and the person are in big need because they have to go and. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, interesting perspective. Because anyway, I mean you have to convince someone and if it's this one person, this patriarch owning the firm and he realizes, she realizes, okay, we have to do the new stuff, then they just pull the switch and then AI.

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And you get lots of momentum to be honest. And I mean still after that it's all about transformation and it's a leadership task to convince more people within the organization. Right. But that's actually what we are pros for and that's what the focus of our academy is. And to see what's possible and to get these testimonials of people who their lives changed drastically using artificial intelligence and not just within their daily business, but also later on, you know, in the evening talking about philosophy and am I a good parent and everything that goes along with the complexities of being human and to see how their lives changes is one of the reason why we founded this company, is it?

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I mean, I Read something in statistics that, that people in the firm, 10% use, this is us data, probably Germany a little bit less, but doesn't matter. So in general, 10 use AI in the firm, but 50% at home because you just said but family members just less triggering. Do you see this? Do you need to convince the people or they like follow along happily?

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I mean, with every transformation you have a certain bell curve, right when it comes to it. And you have the early adopters and the innovators. But what we see and what is maybe one of the success stories when you try to implement AI within your organization is to think about AI implementation as a whole when it comes to the employee. And last year, in the end of the last year, there was the Copilot usage report. Microsoft were analyzing 37 million conversations that's been done with Copilot. And of course during the work hours they've seen the usual stuff, right? To work faster using AI, also to plan your next travel and your next vacation. So same, same like always. But what was really interesting is depending on the hour when people were using Copilot, they used it for health, for example, for being, using it for sports and for everything else as a companion. And when people start using AI as a companion, the adoption rate in the business rises as well. So you have great effects giving your employees access to AI or also during the leisure time.

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I Remember there was 2006, one guy, German journalist writing, and they gave me a BlackBerry for free. And what he didn't realize is as he used it privately and everything, he used it also for business and whatever. And so the thing is, you give something to the people and they adapt it because they know how to use it suddenly and then probably with the help. What do you think is the most important then? I mean, you teach the people then how to use AI. What's the most important teach them methods. Data protection, you say is a problem or the problems. Where do you focus on with your.

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Classes, to be honest, leadership skills. So it may be counterintuitive, but what we've seen in the last two years, and I mean I'm building an organization which is very small, so we're only 10 people. And the idea of my organization is that we will never grow more than this 10 people, but we are scaling very, very fast. So last year, 2025, we grew our revenue by Eightfold. So quite fast, to be honest. And it was only possible because of those over 50 AI assistants which we have right now within the organization. And the more we adapted those AI assistants into the usual process, those usual HR processes you have within an organization, the more successful we were. So like for example, we have a certain onboarding process, an assessment center for our AI assistants. We conduct feedback meetings with them. They have all a personal file. And what we've seen is more and more that it's about leadership skills, communicating very clearly, delegating tasks, critical think about everything you receive from an AI. And last year the Harvard Kennedy School conducted a study about leadership skills in comparison to leading AI assistants. And what they found out is great leaders with great leadership skills are very good in leading AI assistants. And the other way is also true. So when you're very good in leading AI assistants, you're probably in the right position to get a new mandate and leading people for now I see that.

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What you paint as a picture is that there's not a big difference between a well made AI agent and a.

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Worker anymore in the way you should treat it. Yes. And you should be nice, you should be thankful, you should have a certain level of empathy and you should iterate in working together and not have the ambition to say we install it once like we installed at Excel and then from now on it just works. But rather have this iterational approach which you usually have with onboarding a new human within your organization. Right. And I think there are many, many similarities, even going to the point that we now started implementing personality profiles in the system prompts of our AI assistants. Because when you have over 50 of them, it gets kind of dull when all answer the same way and all have the same characteristics. And that's why we started to implementing Big 5 as a personality model in all of those assistants. And now my personal assistant Monika, for example, is very sarcastic and is always trying to provide very harsh feedback. Why? I scheduled my day to Tyke, for example, and that really makes a difference.

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I did. There was a serious question and there was this question that just comes to mind is how do you select for which agent how they should be? I mean yourself you select for her this, but for the others, is it a dice you roll or do you have an idea how which profile for which assistant?

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Well, we have an AI which is called Helga. Helga is our HR professional. And our implementation process within the firm is that when you have the need for a new employee, you go to Helga as an agent and say, Helga, listen up, I need a data scientist for our product development team, for example. And she starts asking all those questions, sometimes annoying questions like HR usually does. So what is exactly the Role, what competencies are you looking for and what skill set do you need? And so on and so on. And based on those questions, Helga makes assumptions and comes up with an idea and writes the first setup for this new agent with the personality traits, how work should be done, access to certain IT tools. So actually we are delegating it to the AI, but sometimes we have preferences like you usually have when it comes to finding the right people. And then we tell Helga what we want.

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Okay, now, so it's like, it's not that you. Because there's this, this, if you hire someone, you shouldn't hire these people, people that are too similar to you, but you shouldn't hire the people that you don't communicate with. Like, absolutely has to be, has to be like, like in equilibrium. So you, you still can change, you still change them if they are not fitting, but, but you don't personally develop them. But it's a, it's an algorithm. It's Helga that develops them basically, of.

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Course, because to be honest to all the listeners out there, prompting is 2025. Right. So in 2026 we should let the AI prompt and we rather delegate tasks and try to explain explicitly what our quality standards or expectations are. That's our job as humans, you know, taking responsibility and trying to. Making explicit what we are looking for. But we should let the AI do the prompting or even in parts, the creation of new automations or AI assistants.

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Yeah, this was a great post you had on LinkedIn. And I was flashed by it and I was like, okay, yes, this is, this is exactly what I think because I mean the systems can write for the system. We just have to give the concept, the context and maybe some creative input where they're not as good and then they make what they, what they should do. Yeah, great. Purely practical question. Which system do you use for letting the agents work? Do you have custom GPTs? Do you have a system with agents or your own system?

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So for one, we created a database in Airtable with all our AI assistants. So we have an overview of the whole organization structured in all the different departments. And when you click on one of them, it's like a usual HR tool. You see the personal file, you see the last feedback meetings, and you see also the access points to the IT tools along with the implementation. So we created this kind of layer because that is really where the IP lies because there's a culture fingerprint in it, how we understand processes. Right. So we wanted to be able to have this. Purely away from all those platforms. So we were able to switch platforms much faster. But the most underlying platform you use at the moment, to Name1, is N8N. It's a Berlin unicorn, a startup with over 1 billion in valuation. And we believe it's one of the best platforms so far worldwide, to be honest, when it comes to creating agents, because you're also able to self host the platform and have fully control over the setup.

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So you basically. You do self host the platform?

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Yeah, we do, yeah.

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Good. Yeah. So you have the whole ownership and you don't spend, you don't give too much data to whatever you use and. Yeah, but you still use the classical frontier models like Germany, OpenAI or.

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Exactly. We're very agnostic when it comes to the right model because, I mean, between us there's been so much fuss around what's the right model and if you have the right version and so on. Most of the models are at the level of a PhD in mathematics and science. And for a task like, I don't know, scheduling a meeting, you usually don't need that high of an iq. So it's more about personalities and if you like the model or the company behind it. So we usually try and experiment with all models and don't have a favorite so far.

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I have the same feeling. It's more important to have like the context or the structure than to have this or that model. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, totally. So you have a model with 50 AI agents and I think you come in a firm like, let's say 50 workers and some 50 employees and like. Yeah, and we have another 50 here that we will implement in your firm. It's probably not how you do it, but how do people react? Because you probably also implement some agents that they have to work with. Are they like Turing? Are they personalizing, entreprising, those agents? Or are they more or less afraid that, yeah, those, those agents can take their job.

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So I think one of the best antidotes to being afraid of anything is education, because if you know the boundaries of such a technology, you are able to very well tell where you are needed and what the technology should do. And that's why one of the most successful approaches for transformation with AI is not talking with your employees about efficiencies and market value and all that stuff, but rather about painful processes they have on a daily basis. And we made the experience that when your approach is like this, many employees are very, very open because every one of us has, on a daily basis, stuff we don't love to do to be honest and where we want the time to be more creative or strategic or even spend it with other humans, which is the whole purpose in my opinion, using artificial intelligence. So I think that's one thing of the mindset. And following this approach, we will teach every employee within your organization how they are able. I mean even very simply start building their own agents, start building your own assistance. Because every one of us thinks I need an assistant for helping me putting that kind of information into a contact form or whatsoever and I want to do that anymore. So I think by democratizing the way we use AI and building that skill level, we have a huge adaption rate within an organization.

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I can totally see that. Go for the pain points and get the people, work on them. And if they are less and yeah, this is the other thing that this AI first we fire people. And so and I think the audience you have, if you go small medium enterprises, they are not. You have a person who's responsible, the owner, they have a responsibility, feeling they don't just higher and higher. So makes sense that they want to get more out of their people, but in a positive sense and not squeeze them. Yeah.

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And to be honest, when we look at the data, we just read a new Vanguard study about AI exposed shops and how they will change due to AI and what we see is actually kind of the opposite. So at the beginning we were thinking about restructuring a company and how many people do we really need? And we now more and more see that those AI exposed shops are actually valued more and the wages are compared to every other job grow faster than everything else. And we were asking us the question what is the reason actually. But someone made a very simple statement saying if you are able to create software faster or cheaper, what you want is more software. Because usually money or time is the bottleneck and not your ideas or your backlog. And following the strategy. You want people who work in these fields who are able to use AI to create more of what's needed.

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Totally makes sense. I remember my first job was in a firm and they wanted to buy a system that they can a simple, I don't know, they wanted to have people here, people there and wanted to have them in one spreadsheet basically. And they looked for tools that could do that. And SAP had an offer for 70,000, I don't know marks then or whatever. And there was like great tool but it's much too expensive, we don't need that much. And if we can make that ourselves with AI today we just have the tool that does exactly what we need. And not like it's typical, 20% of the people use, so 80% of the people use 20% of a tool, but you have to buy the 100% and now you create one and you have what you need. It's, it's not that you want to sell it, but you're more productive afterwards. Yeah, totally, totally, absolutely. What do you say in, in general, which, which, which verticals with which areas like health, finance or whatever, who's, who's the quickest to adapt in your opinion?

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So first of all, what surprised us really is that all industries, no matter what, so insurance, fashion, old industries, production companies, provider of critical infrastructures, all are trying to figure out how can they use AI and how do they cope with the change in the transformational dynamics they're having at the moment. Because I mean, if you don't position yourself as a CD level or as a manager within an organization, I mean your employees also read the media. Right. They're also on social media and see every day people talking about AI, the efficiency gains, what's possible using it. So at the end of the day, maybe you have a huge shadow it if you don't address it and don't work with it. But I would suggest it's the usual suspects when it comes to the faster adoption. So on the one hand side, the bigger the company, usually the more the investment and the faster they are using AI. So the big board companies like basf, Siemens and so on are doing really a lot when it comes to it and trying to figure out how they can use it. And on the other hand side, the digital industry, so marketing agencies for example, people who are drastically exposed with their value creation are trying to figure out how can they use AI to provide better services. Yeah, to be honest, just add one more which are the slowest when it comes to adapting AI, which I would have never thought is in my opinion, consultancy. That's really crazy how they have trouble disrupting or even changing the business model they have today.

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It's crazy. I think they're really afraid. They see that those tools can do what they do on the same level sometimes or they can add really little value. It's wow. Yeah, I knew that they had problems but that they were the typical thing that you block what you're afraid from and that is not the solution. Yeah, definitely not. You should embrace it. Actually this is interesting how you say that the firms, they don't have problems anymore to embrace the new technology. They are going there. I mean also for the listeners, I guess we are in a bubble. Obviously the firms that come to us, we use AI, we teach AI, and in the end, this is the firms that actively do something. But still, I think at the start of the year 2026, we already talked about the adaption core curve and so. But is it your perspective that adaption will massively change this year? It sounds like, but I don't know.

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But to be honest, I mean, we're talking about three years roughly, about ChatGPT and generative AI, right? Which is nothing. Right. How many decades were we discussing and trying to implement digitalization in comparison to it? And for just three years, I've never seen anything that grows that fast as a technology and adapts that fast as a technology. Of course, there are huge amounts of companies out there who didn't start yet who think it's just a bubble and it will burst in the next few months and so on. But I think the momentum we're seeing right now, I have to say it doesn't matter if it's a bubble because we never see a change that drastically over all industries. So I totally believe that 2026 will grow further in this direction of using AI properly and finding the right ROI within my own company, I think.

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So this is what would be also my idea of how things develop. Because the bubble might be there, but it's a stock market bubble. It's not the use. Let's say there's no usefulness bubble. People still use it and they use it in private stuff. And if you would take it away from the people, they would realize how important AI for them is right now. That would be especially for students.

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I mean, how should they able to do their homework?

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There's this joke, this anecdote that the teacher didn't get home homework one day because ChatGPT was down. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I just have to cite it from, from Vasantha, from the book. I. It's not. I didn't invent it. I have to just give credit to him. But anyway, so the thing is a perspective to 2026 as we are. We are talking about it and you totally use AI agent. Would you say that finally 2026 is the year of the AI agents or do we still need time for it?

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Well, it depends, of course, on the organization. But I see more and more organizations who are trying to switch from generally talking about how they can use AI and doing prompting workshops and trying to figure out what a prompt library should look like, and more and more talking about agents and what Are they able to do? And I see also more and more people talking about autonomous agents, to be honest, because it's one thing delegating a task to an AI, doing something for you, but more and more people are fascinated by the idea that AI sees the right work in the right time and it's doing it for you and then shows you the results. So at least when we are talking about keywords and social media and how customers approach us with the needs, we see a huge gain in asking for artificial intelligence, especially with agents.

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So agents are at least one possibility. It's coming and people learn. I think, yeah, it makes sense because there's more tools that use agents, there's more capabilities to, to make a simple custom GPT or something, and people slowly embrace it. I see it in my teach teachings when I teach my. My classes or so that the people are like, I have to. Have to. The bar is higher now. I have to do more. There are a few people who don't like it, but I have to bring more to the table to. To get them interested. I think it's probably changed, probably in your curriculum also. You have to teach more, teach more deep topics.

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Absolutely. That's why we rebuilt our curriculum three months ago. We threw away every video, every case study, every challenge we had within the program because we better understand now how great AI transformation works. We better understand now what are the basics and what are the right methodologies. Implementing an agent for you. And of course that leads to having another program because you need to be up to date in today's time, otherwise you are not relevant in the market anymore. It's not like a leadership course. Right. Where for 7, 8, 10 years teach the same methodologies. It's a different pace and that outperforms some of the companies.

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I just remember this thing that somebody told me back to this leadership topic, that if you learn prompting, you learn to lead people better. And this is really a thing. So you develop in the leadership direction and you address the people. It's really interesting for me. I mean, how things develop. Yeah. Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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Great times. Adventurous times, to be honest.

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Talk about this actually. Adventurous times. What was your biggest wow moment with AI in the last weeks, months or so, or in general, where you're like, wow, it's magic.

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So one of the big points for us considering the last two years in AI were when we introduced a new layer of leadership within leaders of AI because we had more and more of those AI assistants and we started to fizzle when it came to leading all those Agents. Right. If you have too many direct reports at a certain point, it's really challenging leading all them and being, you know, have high quality delegation and all that stuff. So we start introducing new leadership layer within leaders of AI, new team leaders. But of course, we didn't introduce humans but AIs. And having AIs who are solely purpose is leading other AIs doing compliance checks, delegating tasks, providing feedback and so on, was certainly a point which fascinates me till this day that we now have leaders and managers within the organizations who are not humans anymore. They don't lead humans, but they lead other AIs. And it's crazy how good that works.

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Of the 10 people you have, how many build agents and how many are like for the normal business?

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All of them, if you're such a small organization. Of course we practice what we preach. So everyone is able to create agents. But I would say three of them are able to do really complex ones. Right. But everyone is able to create with Helga and the settings we have today, their own agents. And that is also very necessary because we're growing so fast. Not everything should be a ticket in our backlog for our CTO to create a new agent that wouldn't give us the performance we need at the moment. So I think that's a big contrast on how we approach digitalization. Because in digitalization, everything was an IT project, right. Everything was complex and you need always vendors and so on. And with AI, we see that we need the many people within an organization who are able to find weak spots and bad processes that we cope with AI.

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I definitely have to think of IT crowd where the guy is there and you get a call and then first he gets his comic book and he's like, I knew it. You don't work on it, you just do other stuff.

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It's a great TV series. Absolutely.

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So, yeah, but this is interesting because. Yeah, I see. If you have like, let's say Helga is a catalyst. It helps you create something. And it's a complicated system, it's an expert system. Everybody can learn it, but it needs time. So you have a catalyst and I can get my thoughts to Helga. She creates something. Maybe if it's too deep, somebody helps me, but that. That enables me, empowers me to do stuff I didn't, I wasn't able before to do. Yeah. Wow.

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Totally. And that's also what the study suggests, to be honest. So we were reading the OpenAI Enterprise Report, which was released I think at the end of 20, 25. And what they said was 75% of people using AI today are solving tasks they were never able to solve before. And I think that's a huge number of people are now able to analyze data, for example. Right. Creating automations, having a better understanding of strategic approaches, finding better weak spots, or even wipe coding, apps, prototypes, websites, and so on. So there's a big shift. And creativity is a huge skill during that time.

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I think so too. Yeah, there's 75% is a huge amount of people who are empowered now with these tools or already. And we are just at the start, I guess. I mean, yeah, but just, just I. I still try to figure out how the process works. If I now come to you and I book a class and you teach. How does. I mean, Helga does. Is. Does she live on my phone, on my computer?

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How.

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How do I interact with.

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You created. You create it within the course. So we have one of our programs is called the MBAI Master Business with AI, like an MBA program, but focused on artificial intelligence. And within the course, you learn what it's all about being a hybrid organization, what are the dynamics. So everything that goes along the organizational path, but also very early on in the program, you learn how to build your own Helga. Because, Dima, you maybe have different quality standards than I do. You have different preferences, how helga should find new employees, so to speak. And so you build your own Helga. And from that on, we are going through all divisions of an organization, so marketing, sales and leadership and so on and so on, like a traditional MBA program. And in everything, you build cases. And either you decide, is it a case for an agent and you build it within case studies with other people, or is it the case for an automation, which is also totally fine. We don't talk so much about automations anymore because agents are so more fascinating. But there are more than enough use cases where an automation is the right use case. And then you build all those automations and agents with us. But for you in the course.

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Oh, yeah, okay. This is really important because, I mean, it's still a little bit abstract. I mean, the people can. It's like on a movie level, you see it, but how does it work? So he really hold hands for the people and with the people and tell them that's good.

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That's what it's all about.

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Yeah. No, because I mean, you and I, we might be able to do this, but if. If along the time frame you have your daily work, so you don't have the time to Work away and grind your teeth into all this. So it's good that somebody helps. Good. I love it. Yeah. But just because I talked about TV perspectives, let's already come to the last question and this is the really important Terminator or Matrix scenario. Do you think the Terminators take over soon or we already live in a Matrix? What's your opinion on this?

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Well, it's funny that you mentioned Matrix because what I'm working on, I've been for many years in education, right. So I'm usually working on the forefront of education and artificial intelligence. And one of my big ideas for us as a civilization is somehow the Matrix scenario. And I explain you which part of it. And there's a scene in the movie where Neo is trying to escape with a helicopter and he's not able to fly that helicopter. And what the operator does is he's uploading the algorithm to fly the helicopter. Right. And I think we need to start changing our educational system so we are able as humans to cope with the acceleration of the development of AI. Right. So we're spending billions at the moment how to train AI, find new approaches, better ways, but we spend nearly to none when it comes to how can we really drastically change the impact how we learn. I mean, there are companies like Neuralink and so on, but we didn't make any big impacts when it comes to education. And I think we should more and more talk about how can we learn like we learn in metrics.

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This is really great. I mean, the uploading and so I'm a huge cyberpunk fan. So this is like you put a chip in and you have the abilities, but I mean, on the realistic perspective, we have a school system that is basically forced kids to go there to learn something and they're not motivated. So the first thing would be how can I motivate persons to learn and how can I address their strengths and.

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AI perfectly and also find new technological approaches and have a new understanding of how the human brain works and how are we able to upload an algorithm and not just data? I think uploading skills and being able to have something like a certain level where you start with a skill would drastically help evolve as a civilization.

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Yeah, definitely. Do you have to, do you have some? Because I also love teaching and do this forever. Do you have some things you already do in your classes?

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I mean, of course one of the biggest points to date is learning by doing is the best approach so far, to be honest. And what we've seen is when you do that within a Group. So solve a project, a task within a group and you find the right level of being challenging. That usually leads to a certain state of flow. And there are certain parameters that lead to that flow. And we try to have more and more of those parameters within our training program. So people learn strongly in such a flow process because that is a part where you have certain, certain, certain ways how your brain works in such a flow state that it's most beneficial for our success.

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Yeah, great. This is the idea of the flow to get the people in there to get it. Shouldn't be too hard. Shouldn't be too.

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Easy.

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Too easy. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, I was missing the word strange. But anyway, so you have to be in this exact state where you're motivated to go on. And yes, this is perfect because in school you have 30 people sitting there and you're mostly not in a flow state. Yeah, totally makes sense to change, change the rules. But coming back to the negative effects of AI Terminator matrix, let's see the positive ones. Great. I love it because you see the positive points and I'm an optimist and I find that great. But still something about Terminators coming.

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I tried to do a shortcut here to avoid the question, but you, you came back to it. So honest to you and I'm going to answer it. So I don't believe in such a scenario. It's possible. But I think that there are many researchers right now and many people who are trying to avoid such a scenario when it comes to every technology, to be honest. So the atom bomb, for example, could also have drastic effects on our civilization and society. So I totally believe in science, to be honest. But I also want to say that we are all responsible trying to figure out that technology and trying to foster a good use and be ethical about it and have the conversation about how we want to use it as humans and what are good approaches and that we can only solve in a community and partnerships.

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Yes, great. I mean, also this is really positive because we as the humankind can do that. And we didn't bomb ourselves with the atomic bomb yet. I mean, it can still happen, but we figured out how to deal with this. Yeah, great. One last question, Dominik. Where can we find you? Where can we connect to you? Where the classes leaders of AI. Where do we find you?

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So leaders of AI is pretty easy. It's leadersofai.com. we have our programs provide we in English and German at the moment. And I would love if you guys connect with me on LinkedIn. That's the only social media platform I'm on, but I usually post my ideas and of course I have an AI assistant who is writing all my posts for me. But if you comment on a post and answer that comment, it's always me. If you write me a direct message, it's always me answering. I'm using AI to have more time interacting with humans.

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Oh, that's perfect. I love it because most people do it the other way around. They write something or they comment with AI. And one can smell that. So yeah, yes, I did comment and I got answers from you, so I can say that's true. And one last thing, you really have to connect to Dominic on LinkedIn because he's in my opinion, the best dressed man in the whole AI scene. So go to his profile. Look, I'm a fan. I'm definitely a fan. So yeah, it was great having you on the podcast, Dominic.

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Thanks for the invitation. Was a great talk.

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Oh, thank you, Dominic. I have to definitely up my AI agent game, look at NHN and see what I can build there and how the AI agents can help me. And the example of Helga is really, you don't need to do the prompting anymore. The AI can prompt for you. And this is a general thing, not just for agents. And I love it because this is 2026 and those times of the prompt engineer as the, the, the mythical unicorn, they are over. We have AI to help us with all this stuff that makes it so much easier to adapt to AI. And actually this is the other thing that I take away from the interview with Dominic. People are open, people are already embracing AI. It's just they need systems, they need help to do it better and more systematically. Yeah. Thank you for staying to the end of the interview. Please go to Beginnersguy NL to follow the newsletter and get all my tips and tricks and episodes in your mailbox. And now a quick thanks to Andrea Andreescu, Lotte Braun and Melanie Westermann for making this podcast possible. It's Dietmar from Argo Berlin signing off.

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