Kevin Owens

Hello, welcome to What Do You Want to Talk About, a WWE and Fanatics original production brought to you by our friends at Wheatley American Vodka. And today we're not, we're not on my home away from home, we're not on the bus. We're actually in Frankfurt, Kentucky at the Buffalo Trace Distillery. They do tours here. We are in a, we are sequestered in a hidden room, a bit of a speak easy, and get in on that. You see this? Get in on that. That is a real thing, folks. And only while I ever be on a bottle is if I put my face behind the clear bottle, but look at that. There's just two of them. See? We did get multiple photos. Pretty crazy. And my guest who's introduced himself on. All right. Slightly. Oddly, this guest I didn't think of an intro for because this is one of my friends in the wrestling business. And my father used to say he probably had five friends in the wrestling business. And when he would list them out, it was, it seemed more like three. DDP always excited that he remained one of those digits. But one of my very few friends in the entire business, former everything champion, WrestleMania, Saturday night, Main eventer, all the things you could possibly do. And someone who changed the course. Sub-Sunday night. And somebody who changed the course of professional wrestling in general by the things he did in terms of, changed my course at least, helping me out, sending me out into the unknown and sending me out with the proper information, which I needed at the time following my career, keeping up with me. One of my, again, I might be like my dad, five friends, maybe it's less, but he is certainly one of them. An exceptional human being, a lover of zoos. This guy loves the zoos folks and a dinosaur man as well. And please welcome to what do you want to talk about? The one and only Kevin Owens. Yes, yeah. They usually don't clap. That's the first time we ever clap. I was going to say it's really awkward if only one person in the room full of what there are seven people in here. I dialed up an introduction for a priest and it was rough. So since he got it, he got an introduction, meaning you're not friends with him. Because what you just said is, I didn't think of an introduction for your friend. I don't know. So a lot of people. It's okay. I'm not friends with him. They tried to make me friends with him. So a lot of people are, have you heard me use the term workplace proximity associates? Sure. Well, I've never heard you say that. I've heard you say several things. The old WPA. That sounds like something that would come out of your mouth for sure. WPAs. Yeah, they tried to make me be friends with Damien Priest on television. How'd it go? I refused. Can you tell me what? Sure. That's our first question. Well, so in 2021, this is the pandemic era. I was embroiled in a feud with Roman Reigns. Ah, the big dog. It was the beginning of a four year nightmare that just wouldn't stop for me. But when it started, you know, we were wrestling in front of empty buildings. Well, we had the weird screens there. Yeah. Thunder down. Yeah, you missed that. You missed that time. And right at the, right when we were, have the blow off match was going to be the last man standing match of Royal Rumble, which turned out to be everyone's favorite match that we had. About three weeks before, I'm thinking, okay, we're firing on all cylinders. We're going to the Royal Rumble. It's a big match. It's going to be a lot of fun. And then I'm at television and they come tell me, well, things are kind of changing now. You're going to be introducing your new best friend to help you take on the bloodline because it's the numbers game. Like, who's this guy? They go, you know, Damien Priest from NXT? I go, the, the, the guy who was with the fake arrows. Yes. I go, well, I have nothing against them, but no one would believe that we're best friends. We cannot be more opposite. And why it's so random. Turns out somebody threw this idea out there and it stuck for about five minutes until I said, no. Oh, I don't want to be friends with them. Yeah. Maybe in real life, but we'll start somewhere. And yeah, it got killed. But he, he's going to take my match. It was going to be him versus Roman Reigns of the Royal Rumble. Oh, the plot that can. I was incensed. I said, no. You, you as a, but for what it's worth, I didn't do Reigns career. He debuted on the main roster like two weeks later. You bring something up that I feel like we've never talked about on the podcast at all is sometimes there are people in the space and pro wrestling who say yes to everything. And they, they kind of make that their thing is you got it. I'll go do this. I'll go do that. I'll go do that. And then there's others who are more discerning and more disciplined with their choices in terms of how they presented as a wrestler. If you want to use the term artists, whatever it may be, I feel like I have always, I don't, I don't think secretly. I've always admired to a degree those who can go, Hey, that's not for me. It's it might be a good idea, but that's not for me because there's that school of thought as well. That's Hey, I'm going to make anything work. But sometimes making anything work is not as good as this just doesn't work in general. Let's find something else. And I feel like that's an area where I admire your ability to say, Hey, I know my, I know myself. I know my brand. I know what people will buy and they wouldn't buy that. Yeah. I think it's for me, it just comes down to if I think the audience would be insulted by it, which I didn't think the audience would be insulted by the concept of me and him being friends. But yeah, up to that point, you know, and at that time, NXT had already been around. People are aware of NXT enough to know that he's been in NXT. I used to be in NXT. We never had any sort of interaction. Never in our lives were we like, it would just be so random. It was one thing if they would have told me you're going to bring him in as your backup, just a guy you saw in NXT to impressed you. But they'd let know he has to be your best friend. I'm like, also, I spent years television wise telling every friend I had. Yeah. And not in the fun way, the backstabbing them. So why would I just introduce this random best friend that I've never. So anyway, it was more of a, I just didn't, I just didn't like it. I think it was shit. You can't see yourself though in kind of that Shawn Michaels. I'm just picturing now as you're talking because I'm having fun with this. That's the thing. I'm picturing. You and Shawn Michaels outfit. Picture. Damian Priest dress is diesel. And I love him. I'm a great guy. Yeah. But what he is, the way he can, just him and me. It just doesn't work. No. Simple question for you. What are you drinking there? What is that? That's a specialty drink major for just you. Yeah. They call it stun and run. Stun and run. Which is funny. I don't run much. No. But I'll take the stun part. Yeah. This guy likes to stay in the fight. Stun and walk briskly. Like briskly part is getting worse because my neck, my knees are shit. So it's stun and stun around a lot. Well cheers to you. All right. Cheers to you. Thank you. Oh. My friend has a stun and run. I have the American. $14.95. That is the price of the, yeah. It's a pretty good price. I mean, it's a proper. Keeps it nice and cold. That's the thing. It's a proper glass. I will admit that I thought your face was on the other side. If that had been the case, $14.95 would be a bargain. Now it's a fair price because your face is not on it. So all due respect to Wheatley American vodka. I get the sense, Kevin, that some of the psychonography and some of this stuff you don't love. I actually do love it. Oh, thanks. I really do love it. I do. But I can't help but think. You know, often I present it as a, it's very funny because it is funny. But also for me, I remember what, I remember when you told me, I'm leaving, I quit. And now, you know what I mean? And the difference, I've told you this before, the difference is staggering and it's more, I'm still in disbelief, not that you did it because I knew you could, but that it, it even surpassed even what I'm sure even you would have expected. Oh, I'm in uncharted territory. Right. For sure. That's it. But yeah, but I do love it. I mean, how can, this is incredible. Do you know, do you know when you gave me your complete full support and you actually said something similar to what you just said? You, you, I think basically you told me everything was possible for me after you saw a certain moment. Do you remember what that was? Rigabon or final battle? Yes. And you texted me after a final battle and just, it was actually you who texted me after final battle and then triple H who texted me after I wrestled, wrestled Christopher Daniels. And I remember thinking like, ah, they're watching. They're watching. And I'm also having a good time. I'm having fun. That's probably the first thing that I think it's important. And I always, not only are these fun and I hope people are entertained by these conversations, but it's so important that people know and we've talked about it on TV. We've touched it, but we've not been able to go in long form. When I left, I didn't really ask anyone other than you, hey, how do you, how would you map this out? What would you do? How would you play this? I remember talking to you about the list, um, which now is, it's kind of a symbol of where we mobilized a fan base to say, hey, I'm doing something. It's not just stay tuned to the next chapter. I'm not done yet. Can't wait till you see what I do next. No, there was a promise. Yeah. And actually it was genius to do that because then it made even some things that might have seen mundane or not really a big deal to some people. For example, some of the names you had on the list, great wrestlers, but not necessarily somebody that people would have loved to see you wrestle. Like I think, I believe Mike Bennett was on the list. And Mike Bennett is all I really like Mike. The miracle. Cody Rhodes was Mike Bennett. To me, it's not a match that people would have died to see. Just because Mike is a great wrestler, but I don't think it's somebody that people would thought him and Cody Rhodes could have a killer match. But because you put it on the list and then the list became this important thing, that match became something people wanted to see. And then you guys did it in TNA, I think. We did it in TNA and then we did it at a few Northeast wrestlers. And it just, it was a bigger deal just because it had a bit of hype just from that. Yeah. You know what I mean? You helped curate the list. You helped, you helped me. And I, and it wasn't always, hey, put this person on. It was, I don't think this one. I think I remember telling you you shouldn't put that one on there. I think I remember one that you were more like, I don't know, man, was moose. Yeah. I think the one you were more, and a lot of those were, remember, I was trying to be like Batman in this moment where I have a plan and there's a plan behind the plan. So some of these were booked already. So like Kurt Angle, for example, booked already. It's got to be on the list. Few of these, and then a lot of them, the streamers thing, for example, I genuinely wanted that to see, you know, on these certain independent shows. Then the biggest part of it was I would ask you about the people out there and not just wrestlers. Hey, I talked to Greg at Ring of Honor, for example, and Joe, God bless him. What do you think about this? And I remember asking you too, the big question I asked you about was pricing. And it was a really good conversation because you said, I agreed with your sentiment on don't rob the bank. Price yourself fairly so that you can keep going. Price yourself fairly. My big thing was I would do the in the ring photos after the show. I wanted to make sure the promoter got his money back because I would be on the show with other ex-WW guys or WW legends, whatever. They'd rob the bank. I knew that guy didn't get his money off you. And I was tricky for that part because when I was on the Indies, I never had the WW exposure at all. And I didn't have the Rhodes name, which means a lot. So I think the highest amount of money I ever charged on anyone on the Indies was $600. And I was getting booked enough, selling a ton of shirts, I was doing fine. But you were a different story. So we were talking about that. I just remember specifically hearing about ex-WWE guys that overestimated their appeal just because they were coming off of WWE. And I think a good example charged insane amounts of money, which he might have gotten a couple of times at first. And now I think it's safe to say he has not been booked very much. I don't know if that's, it might be by design. Maybe he decided not to. Not everyone, not everyone. It's so many people, so many. And this podcast is going to be like 20 minutes long. No, it's all right. Because one thing, like for example, when you said, we can bleep it out and let people guess. Yes, that's a good one. That way there's no issue because I love that because that was a great example of, hey, I appreciate it. Getting your money, we got to eat. Are they going to put a square over my mouth so people can't read it? So that people can guess. Instead of a square, can you put Cody's face over my mouth? Yes. Oh, no, just this tattoo. Yeah. Just the tattoo. But. Cody's tattoo. It was tricky. I was all over the board and what I charged. If it was like a mom and pop that probably was a one time visit, maybe it was more full rate and then I'd do everything I could to make sure they got their money. If it was something I wanted to do, I don't know what I took for PWG, for example. Yeah. But I remember, I believe, hope this doesn't sound crazy, I believe I took $750. It was more a matter of when I said that, they weren't used to nobody was making to be part of the Battle of Los Angeles. Nobody was making big money. You want to be here. I understood that sentiment, but I also wanted to make sure, I hope they know though, there is a little bit of a firewall so that it's not just I'll do whatever and do anything. So PWG, we may have talked about it actually. I definitely told you, charge the least to them that you're willing to. I mean, me and Sammy were trying to wrestle for literally whatever Danny would give us. Yeah. For Danny Super Dragon, right? That's correct. Yeah, because I remember when I said 750, we agreed, but I remember there was a pause to the like, well, can you do this? 100% I can do this and I'll be back. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, you approached it in the best way you could have. You approached it with no ego and no expectation of, even though, so like, again, I hate to bring up the world, right? They did stuff in WWE. They were popular guys at a certain level. They won some titles and everything, but nothing, their run up until when they ended up getting released and having to go on the independent scene was never compared to the run you had had up to that point. Even towards the end, if you want to consider Stardust as a low point, which I honestly don't, I love Stardust. I legit did. Even if you consider, like, just look at everything before Stardust. You were intercontinental champ, you were in the legacy with Randy, you were working Triple H and Shawn and main events of pay per views. You were there. Yes. You had a great run and you still approached it with no ego, not expecting that run to do anything for you on the independent scene, independent scene besides having promoters attention. You didn't expect them to give you three grand a match just because you won the intercontinental title by disaster kicking Big Show off the apron. Speaking of that, we have to talk about that. Amazing finish. Let's do it. No, but go ahead. I liked what you were good. The table, his foot through the table. And the way he's, his reaction. Big Show told the producer it's going to work. It did work. And that producer was dying to tell us we were wrong. And then when his foot went through that table, his face, I remember him, was it on? It wasn't. But you probably guess who else. But I remember him saying, I was wrong. That was great. Let's play guess the producer. What year was that? Gosh, extreme rules was the pay per view, right? Doesn't work here anymore. Tables. No, it works here. He does? Yeah. He's hell yeah. Jamie? Nope. I would have done a Jamie impression. That's great. Who's left? It's not Arne. Big Show's Golden Circle. Golden Circle producer. Man, I really didn't work with him that much. I don't think I know who his Golden Circle was. So, well, when I say Golden Circle, I mean, when I first got in, Arne used to refer to the Golden Circle. It was the talent that really could do whatever they wanted because they did well for the company, drew for the company, and we took care of that talent. Of course, you're talking about John Cena, Randy Orton, people like that. Oh, Michael. You got the free word. Of course Michael didn't want to work. Michael tells everybody. Nothing's going to work. To Michael's credit. But then he admits that he's wrong. To Michael's credit. He said, do it, and I can't wait to tell you guys it's wrong. And I remember him sitting there, and then he was forthcoming afterwards because he's been right so many times in his career to take that random shot and show his foot going through the table. I mean, to this day, people think they used the B word for it. I'm like, great. Then it was, yeah, not, but. Oh, gosh. Wrong vowel. It's all good. Yeah. But it worked because of show's reaction. It's the whole thing. And that's how he really was as a giant. Like I don't know if you were there at the big Texan steakhouse in Amarillo when we're all sitting. It's a giant group of us. That's where if you eat the 70 something ounce steak with the potato and veggies, you get your picture on the wall. We're all sitting there. Two things happened that day. Hey, I need a refill. Can we call it? Yes, for sure. I need more drink. I'll actually take one myself. Stun and walk back in here. Stun and walk. No, no, no. This is a soundproof door. I think it's going to have to come down the stairs to the speakeasy. Is there are there customers up there pushed to exit? Hey. All right. Thank you. Oh, so quick. Thank you. Are you ready to hold WWE history in the palm of your hand? Tops is bringing you closer to the action than ever before with WWE Tops now, highlighting the biggest matches and milestones from WWE shows and PLE's throughout the year. Tops now is enhancing the fan experience by connecting collectors to the superstars and spectacles that ignite their passion. Featuring stunning event exclusive photography, each card is made for the moment. And for some lucky collectors, that moment could become the pull of a lifetime. Along with serial numbered parallels, some Tops now releases offer a chance at rare short prints, superstar autographs, and even pieces of the mat, gear, or other items used during the featured match. So which moment will you collect? 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He'll be okay with me sharing this, but everything was whole milk. So he's ordering whole milk. He's wearing black jeans. He's only brought one pair. And this waiter comes out with a tray of drinks and he spills, he literally, you see the wobble, he spills the milk on Randy's jeans. And I remember Randy was so Randy. I was like, whoa, it's not your fault, but you know, I only got one pair of jeans. So what are we going to do here? You know, like not your fault, but maybe you're caring too many. I can see it in my head. It's not your fault. But remember you care too many. He's laughing maniacally. Super intimidating. Really like it is his fault. And like the guy feels bad already, but the way you're saying is making it far worse. Like please, let's end this. But what ended it actually was show in a very giant fashion show is sitting at the end of the table watching it all. It's all happening together. And then of course, the offer Randy his jeans. No, because his chair shattered, his chair shattered and he falls to the floor and the problem then became he can't get up because we're all locked in this table. And so then to make it right on stage is a prop chair. There's a stage in the big Texan. It's this prop big oak throne that they use like, Hey, get the big Texan, come get your picture up here. They brought it down for him to sit in and he was like, I'm fine. I can sit in a regular chair. I'm fine. And it was just an amazing like everything right happened. If you were going to attend an all talent event, like everything right happened, but the milk then the fall, but his face was the same when he stepped through the table. And I always thought, Oh man, I learned, I've ever heard the, uh, I don't want to do comedy story. Have I ever told you that story? Big show? Yeah. No, but I can imagine knowing Paul went strong on that one. Okay. So I wrestled show 11 nights before you go into this just because it's we're hovering around the topic of big show break in the chair. Yeah. Did you ever hear the story of him breaking the chair because of me? And that's the moment he knew he liked me. And I, I entered big shows golden circle at that point. So I'm in NXT at the time and we're having our first out of state show at the Arnold Classic. Oh, hi, baby. Yeah. Huge deal for NXT. But before the Arnold Classic and we're going to have shows there, we had a TV taping. Um, I want to say Cleveland, maybe it was a Columbus. I'm not even sure. But we're in this building, you know, not a huge building, but NXT starting to garner some, you know, just starting to get some steam. But still in order to make sure there's a lot of people there, they booked a main roster match. No offense to show probably the worst match main roster match to book on that NXT show considering what it was about. Flavors are very different. Flavors are very different. So the crowd was not kind to them. Yeah. Unfortunately, but they had a good match. It wasn't the kind of wrestling they were there to see. So show comes back after and he, you know, I don't know him at all that point. I can tell he's not too happy, you know, he's a little down. He's not upset. He's a little down that, you know, didn't get the most positive response. I was wrestling one Alex Riley. Okay. Yeah, that Alex Riley. Yeah. Intense individual, right? Very. Uh, so I'm wrestling him. He's the babyface. Nobody likes him. They like me. Yeah. So whatever. I'm wrestling him. I put him away with a pop of power bomb that wasn't quite a pop of power bomb because he didn't really get up for it. So it was whatever it was. Half up power bomb. Then Finn Balor comes out to stop me from attacking Alex Riley some more after the match. Oh, you were picking the bone. Riley rolls out of the ring to the floor. Finn puts me down, goes up top. He's about to hit me with his coup de gras. Coup de gras. Coup de gras. French. Coup de gras. Coup de gras. Coup de gras. It's actually coup de gras. Coup de gras. Yeah, anyway. I roll out, run away. Yeah. And as I turn the corner, because the way the ring is, there's a stage just like at the steakhouse probably. I have to run around up the, and then to go through the entrance. But as I cut the corner, Alex Riley happens to be on the ground selling. So as I pass, I throw his kick at him. Show saw it. Yeah. Thought it was the funniest thing. Burst out laughing, broke his chair right then and there. Yeah, his movement. I come back to him on the ground, dying of laughter. Everybody circled around trying to pick him up. Hunter comes to tell me that the kick you threw at Riley was so funny. Show broke his chair. Yeah. And show told me right then and there, you're in forever. It was so good. You're in. And since then still we keep in touch. So I remember the kindness people just because I made him laugh. I remember the kick. And I also think it's funny that the reason the chair broke is because just the added movement of him laughing. Oh yeah. Just his pop. His pop literally. He caused it to break. He was so helpful to me. I don't want to be in the comedy. So 11 shows, the old school year up tours, you know, you'd go 17 days door to door, you'd do four or five shows, you'd do TV, you'd do the other. After a while they'd split it where like one guy was not on both tours, but in the beginning you were on the whole loop. And I wrestled Joe every single night and we were outside of our WrestleMania match, but now we were pretty much married together. And one night this rubber chicken comes in the ring and he's feeding me with his rubber chicken. Fan through it. Fan through it. And like I remember him telling me like feet up and he just smacks me across the face with it. And then spit soda on me. I mean, it's just a real mess. And I decided I'm going to stand up for myself tomorrow. This is too much. This is too much. So you were the one that said I don't want to do comedy? So what I told him, and I'll never forget it, and it was one of the greatest lessons I've ever learned in the wrestling business, in any business. I told him we're in the locker room at a show that randomly Phil Collins was at as well. I'm sitting there and he comes in and I go, hey, you know, I don't really want to do ha ha anymore. I don't. And he just kind of went like, hmm. He says, okay, well, can I tell you what to do then? I said, yes, please. I'm thinking we've walked this bridge. We're good. He goes, well, get over then. Any leaves. And I thought, great, great. Yep, that's 100%. And then that night we did more comedy than we've ever done before. I mean, with the chicken somehow was back. It was more than ever. And the crowd was coming in a way that afterwards he goes, I don't know much, but did you hear him? And I said, yes, I did. He goes, that's when you come back here, and this was so true. And especially in Europe, because I've had such a wonderful experience in Europe. He goes, when you come back here, they'll remember that. They'll like you. They'll respect you. You've built an equity with them. And I know you, he was telling me, he's like, I know you don't believe me. You probably think it's, you know, just filler, but I'm telling you. And he was totally right. And I'll never forget it. It was one of the best things ever. It's so funny that you're talking about Big Show because you and Big Show were two of the first people to literally raise their hand and say, what do you need to me? So Big Show sent me on the Hollywood path. Hey, go meet my agent at APA, Jeff, which is a great legendary agent in LA. Go meet him. Tell him what you want to do. Just a general meeting. He's my guy. Tell him you've left W2B. He's out there. He'll set you up on some meetings and he did. And it was prolific and it worked out. And I had no brand value compared, it's just coming from W2B. These weren't wrestling people. I was walking into their world. And then you, of course, and we have to talk about it being here in this conversation with you. You, of course, told me if you can, talk to Mad Nick, Mad Nick Jackson, the young bucks, and see, see, you know, if there's anything there, because we were going to be in the same places. We were going to be at Ring of Honor together. The Bullet Club thing had been decided, or maybe it even hadn't at that point. I don't think it had. But I remember telling them, because we got along and nice, but obviously Mad Nick were kind of their own enterprise. They were doing their own thing, killing the business, all their stuff. Well, so they were, right after I left the independency and I was at the top of the Indies when I left, they were the guys that were right behind me and took that spot. And before me was Colt. So I bloop, like my blueprint was I basically listened to a lot of Colt's advice. Colt made me join Twitter. I didn't want anything to do with social media. Well, God bless him for that. But at the time he was like, get on Twitter, tweet every day. You got it. Like this is how you're going to grow. You're following this and that. He was ahead of the curve. Colt created the Colt. I'm the reason why for us to tease exists. I believe it. Because at the time, thanks. You're welcome. Thanks. Colt kept telling me, you got to get t-shirts and sell merch. Because what happened is in 2012, I stopped my day job. Couldn't work there anymore. Had to go full in wrestling, wrestling's the main source of income. I have a kid. I need it. I need it. I lost my job. I don't know what to do. Colt's like get merch. I can't afford it. I can't afford to pay $500 to have all these t-shirts made. What do I do? Colt talked to, at the time, the owner of One Hour Tee's. Ryan? Ryan. Yeah. And told him, look, he had this idea. Some wrestlers cannot afford to make shirts up ahead of time. And then they came up with this concept because of me. Because Colt was trying to help me. And then the first ones on the site were me, Bucks, Colt. And then the site grew and grew and grew. I got bummed out, by the way, recently. They took my, finally. I had been on the storefront forever. And they found me. Your face was still on there? Me and Brandi were still on there. How did no one get furious about this before? I joked with them. Like, ah, that makes sense. But in my heart, I wanted to tell them, hey, I wish I was still up there. Just because that was such a... I also got sad when they took me down after the blast. It was a fun thing. We were the pioneers. Yeah. I mean, the fact that that exists, so many people, not just wrestlers anymore, so many people, what you're talking about specifically is making a ton of shirts versus a print to order system. On demand. On demand. So, hey, they want 40, you know, they want 300 shirts that have been ordered overnight. Great. We can print them versus making them, sending them to you, paying for them and having to go out and sell them all. Yeah. It's an investment. You're shaking a gamble if you do that. But then, you know, for me, what was amazing about that website was, from that point on, Ring of Honor got mad at me at the time, joke off. Bless him. Great guy. But we got into it about it because at that time, all I would say was, this is my version of the Undertaker's WrestleMania streak, which I've sold a shirt every single day since that website opened. And I just, every day, I would tweet. I would tweet. The streak. I think today's the day that the streak ends. And always somebody would go, oh, I'll go buy a shirt, which I never lied. Never, not once did I tweet. I think the streak's ending today if a shirt had been sold that day. But if I tweeted, haven't sold a shirt today, I think the streak's over. Not only would show up. Not just one person would though, because everybody would want to help. So, I'd sell 50 shirts just like that. Crazy. I was paying my rent. Every month I wouldn't have to worry about my rent anymore because of this. Anyway, so the blueprint was I followed Cole's advice and then after I left, the Bucks then made themselves into this entity, this act that it didn't matter where they were going. There were must-see people were going to pay money to see them. And on the independent scene, that was a rare thing. To the point where I remember 2CW, you've wrestled for 2CW? Yeah. This guy Josh. I think. Anyway, I loved working for them. They literally were trying to book the Bucks for one of their shows. Couldn't book them Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays. They were just too busy. Sundays, every. So they put a show on a Tuesday and they called it. We're having a show on a Tuesday night because it's literally the only date the young Bucks were available for. And they sold out on a Tuesday night in the middle of the school week. So they were, that's why when you left, I said these are the guys you need to, you know, at that point I've been back in WWE a year and a half, two years, so I wasn't super in touch with the independent scene anymore. I don't know what changed. I don't know what hasn't, but I know what hasn't changed is that these guys are the most successful. And they'll help you because I know they're good guys. They're great guys. They will help you. And you know, God, couldn't have guessed what would come out of it. Again, it's uncharted. Your face is on a vodka ball. Cheers to Madden Nick. Cheers for sure. They deserve that. You mentioned a bunch of stuff that I wanted to kind of like jump in on, but one of them was the face of the independence. You were the face. Colt was the face. They were the face. I enjoyed that moment. Who do you think now in 2025 is the face of the independence? Man, I don't even, I can't tell you because I don't, I don't follow it enough. And I do. Like I am a huge wrestling fan. I try to follow as much wrestling as I can. Everything's changed so much. It really has. It really has. And I know I'm going to get, you know, in relative trouble for this with the fans. Oh, buddy. But welcome to my life. I don't, it almost feels like there is no independent scene anymore. And I know there is. I just don't know enough about it because it's just not what it used to be. A lot of it is because independent talents of the last few years have been signed to there somewhere. So, there's somewhere. I don't know. And I'm not saying there's no independent standouts. I just don't know. I just don't know them. And, you know, probably a lot of it is I have less time to pay attention to wrestling. But I wish I had an answer. I really don't. I don't really know who's out there. I feel like, so here's something that's kind of caused me a little bit of pause is looking at it and that spot was very clear. What you just described, Colt, Kevin, it was clear because any time a promotion couldn't get you on a date. I remember for me it was a wrestle service. They couldn't get me. I said this is the one day. Was it Texas? Yep. I said this is the one date I have. Can you do this? I know it doesn't fit. And they said they made a show for me to come to. And I remember I had a bunch of caveats. We did at Austin Pets Alive. I had shelter dogs and rescue dogs there. And one of the Basset Hounds, he got brought home. I was so happy because he was walking around with like a Dopp Me vest on amongst hardcore wrestling fans. I'm like, please, I'm going to Dopp this Basset Hound. And the girl, this is crazy. There's photos of it. The girl from Austin Pets Alive got in the ring with me after to say, hey, there's Chihuahua, some rescue Chihuahua. And I had done a tax spot. So there's tax. There's one in the back of my head. There's one in my elbow. I'm bleeding from my back and I could see her face. She was shaking when she got in the ring. What is this? And why are people, why do they want the dogs? And I was like, yeah, wrestling fans love dogs. They love dogs. Cats like, it ended up a couple of dogs went home that night. But yeah, that's always a huge moment. So I would say I'd shout out and I know you're going to be like, er, I think Matt Cardona has held the spot. But what concerns me is this movie. Why would I be er? I don't know. You and him had kind of a rocky, old favorite. No, we don't. I love Matt. The only thing I'll say is. I didn't know that. For a guy who loves being on the Indies so much, he sure talks about how much he wants to be back in WWE a lot. That's all. I can't call you the King of the Indies. You're going out there telling people, I don't know why WWE hasn't signed me. I don't get it. If I was them, I definitely would have signed me. Are you happy or not? Dude. That's it. I love Matt. No problems. Don't like his tan. Told him this to his face. You don't like a good wrestler tan? No. Braun Breaker should be arrested. What are you thinking about Braun's tan? Is it more the color or is it the fact that he is not putting his arms up in the tanning bag? None of it's good. None of it's good. You don't like the tan? No, dude. You weren't born that color. I understand if you want to be a little darker. I've wrestled you where I'm like eight shades darker. Yeah. What do you mean? You've done it? Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm sure I would have judged you at that time too, but I happened to didn't see this. But also if your tan looks like it could rub off on someone else. Yeah. It's too much. Yeah. You know what I hate the most is when I go in the locker room, try to go to the restroom before a match. I'm walking. Oh, this is lit. Okay. Layer of fake tan on the ground. So what you're specifically describing is quick tan, which is what? I don't care what the method is. Anything that makes you look like that and then you don't clean up after yourself or... It's hard to clean up. What about the guys who go trim their beards or their armpits in front of the mirror before the show and just leave the hair there? No good. Psychopaths. Here's... Okay. So you're mentioning quick tan, which is a product that a lot of wrestlers use and I've used it before. It's a really fine mist, but it does get on the floor where you can't see it and it is slippery as can be. It's disgusting. So wrestlers use quick tan. And then it ends up on the ring because you walk in it or you guys sweat it off. So it ends up in the ring everywhere. Depends on when you put it on. The wrestler you're talking about specifically, the one who's causing a slippery floor and a mess is the dude who throws it on 30 minutes. That's everyone, dude. Not everyone. I'm gonna be doing this shit and no, who am I fooling? I gotta be... I wanna just rewind this a second because quick tan is a big discussion, but we mentioned Matt Cardona. Yeah. And you mentioned... I would say he's one of my five. Okay. So... You know how I know this? How? You never invite me... You never invite me when you go with them to Disney? Never invite me. You've been to Disney in Japan. And then you blame Matt for it. Did you know this, Matt? This asshole always blames you, says Matt doesn't want you there. Correct? Truth or... Truth or... I don't think I ever said Matt. I don't think I ever said Matt. Does it work? Liar! No, well, I mean, you went to Disney Sea with me in Japan. That's right. In Japan, when you knew Matt was gonna be nowhere near around... I'll actually... And then we couldn't corroborate our stories and realize you're full of shit. I'll actually reel this podcast completely in and ask you about you said when we were talking about the independent wrestling scene, you said you did not have the Rhodes name. There's a reason why I kind of chuckled in that moment. Because you... On the independence... On the independence you couldn't use it. Well, no, no. In the moment, the reason I'm chuckling is because there is a photo that's out there on the internet. Yeah, the family photo. Yes, of my entire family... That's right. Standing with the dusty statue and right at the end... I'm glad you bring that up. Right at the end is one who is technically not family, but to me is family. And that's you. That's nice. Yes. And you tell that story, the story of the photo on WWW programming. And you definitely for sure let people believe that I just jumped into the picture without being invited into it, which is inaccurate. Just like you're retelling of me kicking out at one from the disaster kick when that was one John Moxley. Yeah, I needed it to be you. I was the only... And look, I loved your dad. You know this. Yeah. And everyone in NXT loved your dad. Yeah. And when they unveiled the statue at 9 a.m. at Access, the only NXT guy that showed up was me because I wanted to see it. I wanted to see the statue. And I'm ringside with the fans. Yeah. And you go, Kevin, get in here. I go, no. Like, get in here. All right. Get in the picture. And then you spend years letting people think that I just jumped into your family picture and ruined this special moment. I invited you into the photo. I invited you in the photo. I invited Kevin into the photo. This better make it. Do not worse that out. And why I invited you in the photo was because I felt like if you look at the NXT class of the Dusty's kids, there's like a really small percentage actually. He coached a lot and he did a lot of promo work with a lot. But there's really a small percentage that he connected with and he linked with in a way that that's my guy. That's my girl. You know? And I think probably Bayley, Becky, Colby. I feel like it was small. It was a short amount of people that he would go to a show or he would go to a triple H or somebody and say, I can take this person. I can get them where they need to go. And you were somebody that was really special to him. And it wasn't a matter of sometimes with the Dusty's kids, I would be jealous of them. And other times I would look at it and go, oh, I like that. I'm so glad he connected with that person because I don't know if you know what he would write for like, for example, I know what he wrote for Daniel Bryan. It's so crazy. Like they had these reports. Some of them are. They leaked online. They leaked online. But these reports, I remember what he wrote for Daniel Bryan in one of his reports was why is this guy here? He's ready to be on the main roster. That's it. Yeah. So I could tell there was no love. Sure. He definitely knew. He's ready. He's good. He doesn't need to be here. But when it would come to one of his people, man, you know, like how you would talk about Corey Graves, how we talk about you, it was, it was a really, he needed that. And I always thought like, again, here you are. You're the only one who showed up for the statue unveiling of the statue. I mean, a lot of them were probably busy doing stuff at Axis. Of course. It's worth. Also the statue and my family's a rather polarizing statue because my mom is not a fan. But all of us thought like, oh, we love it. It's great. That's a good shot of him, you know. You know, I think I had an unfair advantage in terms of becoming one of Dusty's guys, right? And this is a very cherished memory I have. It was outside the PC. Yeah. I got signed to NXT in July of 2014 officially. I got told my trial was in March of 2014. May 12, 2014 Canyon Seaman called me, told me, we're going to sign you. July, end of July, they brought me in just for a weekend. There was going to be an NXT television taping Thursday. They wanted me on Wednesday. Come to the taping Thursday. Yeah. Go home Friday. And then, you know, a lot of the class, a lot of my crop that was getting signed, we're going to start in December. But I told them I have to start before that because my kids would start school in August. Yeah. I don't want to bring them to the US, to a new school system in the middle of the school year. So it's okay, we'll start you in August. So I got brought in that weekend with Finn and Hideo, Kenta and Fergal. And it was super awkward because what happened, so we just basically trained a few times that week with, you know, some of the classes. And then we went to the NXT show, the TV taping. And at the end of the taping, you know, it's the full sale auditorium. So Hunter is having a speech to all the NXT guys. He literally sits, the auditorium is split. There's two sections and a staircase in between that goes down. Hunters at the bottom of the staircase sits every single NXT people on one side and sits me, Fergal and Kenta on the other side. Oh man. So it's the three of us. Put the pressure on. NXT is becoming something different, something new. Everyone's got to be at the top of their game because you see those three, they're going to change everything. It's like those three come out, three of you go out. The next day they fire these five people. But I remember seeing that the next day at the airport, I sat, I was sitting at the gate, just flying back home. And I had a very stressful day that morning because my flight was like 2, 3 p.m. And that morning, I'm like, okay, now I got to find a house for my family and I got to find a school for my kids. They're starting in three weeks. So I have to find a house to move into that's big enough for my whole family and figure out what their school's going to be. So I basically at seven in the morning that Friday, I went, I looked on a website, what's the best schools in Orlando? Best elementary school is this one. I went to that neighborhood, which happened to be 20 minutes from the PC. And I looked, okay, on whatever, Zillow, whatever website, houses for sale, for rent, because I couldn't buy. Okay, there's a house up there. Then I went and tried to visit, but you know, can't visit a house in the matter of 20 minutes, whatever. And then I go to the airport and I'm super stressed because I'm trying to make this happen. And I'm sitting and I see WWE's release, NXT, five NXT talent. I'm like, holy shit, they weren't joking. And then I swear it was so weird. Somebody sits down next to me. So what do you think? And I turn and it's dusty. He was on his way to a convention and we're on the same flight. And then we spent an hour talking. He's like, what are you doing? Because he was looking at me, he saw me looking at houses. So I explained this whole thing to him. I got to figure out a way to get my kids into this school. They're moving in from Canada. Got to figure out whatever needs to happen for them to be in that school. I forgot how to rent all this stuff. And in that moment, he told me, no way you can do it. No way you can make that happen. It's not going to happen in three weeks. Can't do it. Showed up the PC my first day. He opened the door and goes, did you do it? I go, I did. I knew you would. You know what I mean? And then that was it. We spent an hour talking in that airport just about life, about family, about everything. Not one talk about, not one word about wrestling. And that was it. And I showed up a month later and it was like, I hadn't seen him for a month, but it was just like, you know what I mean? I could already tell there was something. You know what it was? Like do you know what, what he probably sensed? I mean, I remember him telling me that he could feel my family was the real motivation behind all this. So that's a, I feel like he grew up in a generation. He kind of thrived in a generation where it was almost in spite of your family. And I don't mean that in a net. I guess your family was supported, but you were out there. You were doing it. You were living it. And we did it differently. He was very much, this is for my family. Like this is for them. And you know, I like to me is the greatest wrestler of all time. And that's why, you know, like, I don't think I got good at this, Kevin. Until I had Liberty, you know, like, I don't think I saw why. Sorry. I don't think I saw why I wanted to do it. Everything else was like, oh, I can get ahead of him. I can get ahead of her, whatever it may be. But then when I had Liberty, I thought like, I don't need any of that. Yeah. Because it becomes about making sure somebody else has a good life as opposed to your own personal. Yeah. I want to be, I want to show that I'm a top guy. Yeah. It gives a fuck if you're a top guy. Yeah. You know what I mean? But you don't see that until later. And like, I was the same way, man. Like, I was obsessed with wrestling my whole life. And I remember this guy, Neil, he used to wrestle in the independence back in Canada as Beef Wellington. I know Beef Wellington. Right. So, no, it's Neil. The ass punch. So, we were friends. We're friendly. We're friends now, but at the time, I can't say, here's a tissue. Thanks. Sorry, my own damn show. I can't say we were friends. Like, we had a bit of, because to his, in his opinion, I was a bit of an asshole. When I was training for wrestling before I had a family. Yeah. And maybe I was, because I knew I was, I knew I was the best in Quebec along with Sammy. So I don't know, maybe I was a bit arrogant. Maybe not. I probably was. I'll own to it. I was immature as well. So, in his opinion, I was an asshole. Okay. But I remember him telling me years later and telling other people, once Owen was born, my son was born. He was like, I changed completely. And he's like, from that point on, I've never had a problem with you because you were a different person. And even when wrestling came into play, you, everything was different. The way you saw wrestling, the way you act about wrestling, because also he would run a, he would book a company, IWS back in Canada. And before Owen, I guess I was a certain way about it. And then after Owen, it was about trying to make money and trying to make sure that this kid has stuff to eat and toys to play with and so like, right? It really does change everything. Yeah, no. Yeah. You said a good life. Yeah. Good life. We mentioned our Disney trip. We went to Tokyo Disney Sea, you and I. And I remember it was fun because I got to, you got to see it kind of through my eyes with Liberty, but also Owen was there. So, got to hang out and talk to him. You know what I texted you after? Yeah, I do. Yeah. I told you, I wish I could speak to my son the way you talk to him. Yeah. Because raising a kid is amazing, but difficult, even if they're a good kid. Yeah. Owen's an amazing kid. For sure. But it's tricky, man. Yeah. Always worried about f**king them up. Always worried about doing something wrong, saying something wrong. And that summer, I took him to Japan for the first time. It was a dream of his to go to Japan. Yeah. And WWE was kind enough to pay for his whole travel, first class, everything. Nice. So I brought him with me. And then we went on that Disney trip with you. And just seeing you guys interact, I was like, man, I wish I could interact with him the way you did. But then I kind of realized later on, like, it's not my role. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, I feel like... But, yeah, it was a great day, man. To this day, still just, it was just such a great experience to first of all be with you. Yeah. Hang out with you, hang out with Brandi. Liberty was a little standoffish. That photo of her is so great. I still think she was looking at Masa, not me. Her mean mug, and you might have been Masa. I'm telling you, she was looking at Masa, not me. Yeah, Masa. And when I say we were on that trip with Fat Ass Masa, we say that that's not a joke. That is the name he likes to be referred to as. It's Fat Ass Masa, my friend. You know what's so funny about you saying to me, I wish Owen would talk to you. Like he is... Well, he talks to me great, but I don't think I have... I couldn't... It's so weird, man. The way you connected with him is the way I wish I could connect with him. But then I realized, well, it's a different thing too. Where is Dad? There's a different role, exactly. So the way my Dad connected with you, I wish I could have connected with my Dad. But he was my Dad. You're his Dad. And Buddy already mission accomplished a good life. I know we've got a lot ahead of us, for sure. But that's, man, that was so much fun. So much fun. Oh my gosh. Well, cheers, bud. Cheers. Cheers. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Let's talk numbers. Traditional in-person therapy can cost anywhere from $100 to $250 per session, which adds up fast. With BetterHelp online therapy, you can save on average up to 50% per session. With BetterHelp, you pay a flat fee for weekly sessions, saving you big on cost and on time. Therapy should feel accessible, not like a luxury. 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I left my figures back home. Now I do collect figures still, but of my friends. I know that. So if I go to the store, I see a figure of one of my friends. I buy it. Get a match. Eventually, when I feel settled in my house, which I am settled, I just have to think of the time, I'll put them all up. And I'm like, I'll be able to look around and go, wow, look at me and my friends. This is what we accomplish. It's got figures of you. I've got figures of, you know, I've got the Bucks. I've got Sammy. I've got Finn. I've got Becky. I've got Britt. I've got a lot of my friends. And I'm like, I can't wait to put all these up and think, man, look at all what me and my friends were managed to accomplish in our lives. So I don't play with the figures anymore. But yeah, there's a famous clip on the internet of me and one Jimmy Jacobs. I love one of my brothers. One of the guys I would take a bullet for. Where would you take the bullet? For Jimmy? Yeah, like where is there's, oh, well, I guess there are different levels, but I, yeah, there's that there's a lot of things in the heart, head, heart, whatever. Gotcha. Other guys probably in the shin, the knee. Yeah. Who's a shin guy? Who's a shin guy? Well, okay. So in fairness, I got a couple of heart head guys and then I get some shin guys. Sean Spears, I'm taking it in the ribs for, you know, I'm not, I'm not going down fully. God bless Sean. What? Julian Ethan page shin. You know, oh man, I've run away from the. No. That's not true. I'd probably take a bullet for almost anybody, but it depends where. Yeah. If you tell me I'm going to shoot you in the foot, it's either I shoot you in the foot or I shoot Ethan in the head. I'm like, shoot me in the foot. Yeah. But if it's, I'll shoot you in the chest. Such a ridiculous. Like you run. You know, it's a ridiculous game. Yeah. You, Randy, Jimmy, Sammy, Finn, Becky, All in the Heart. It's weird that your friends with Finn in my opinion. No, because he's an exceptional human being. One of my favorite people and he's incredibly honest. He'll send me some messages that I will treasure for the rest of my life. Things that I'm like, man, I, I'm so glad another peer said that to me. I needed him to say that to me at that time. I have messages from Fergal that I have saved that almost like steal my resolve. But it just seems like, cause you're very different. Yeah. Very different. But maybe that's the way. Well, actually, I don't think we're that different. Yeah. But I think to the, on the surface, we look like we're different, but at the deeper core, we're actually very similar. And I would say he's the person in, in my life, actually your dad. So I knew your dad for a very short time. I didn't have the pleasure of knowing him long, but I became very close to him very quickly. The next person right after that is Ferg. We became so close so quickly because the first time I met him, I'd heard from him, I'd heard about him for years. The Bucks would talk about him all the time. Never met him. Even this is the funny part. The Bucks would talk about him so positively, so glowingly, almost didn't like him. Yeah, of course. I know that feeling. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're building this project. Then I met him and was like, oh, they're right. This guy rules. He became a very good friend of mine very quickly. So yeah, he's shooting the head, shooting the heart, whatever you need. I forget where I was going with this. I love how we listed who's the shin people. Hey, well, I don't know where I rank on your heart, heart and head. Oh good. Well, that'll make this next part even better. But wait, where would we go with this? There's a reason we brought this up. I don't remember. It's what happens, the Wheatley American Bodygig. God bless him. It's not water, dog. Oh yeah, the clip. Jimmy Jacobs. I get shot in the face for him any day. But I'm doing the interview with him. There's a very famous clip on YouTube where I talk about how when I was younger, I would play with my figures. And this one particular day, I want to capture the essence of Stone Cold's entrance. Of course. What do I need to do? Playing the music is not enough. I want an actual glass break. But I chose a coffee mug, which it's not glass. No, that's different. Ceramic. And I threw it at the wall, which was just drywall. Not brick. Then break just got encased. And the best part, at the time we were living with my grandparents, my grandmother, my dad's at work. My grandmother is sitting on her rocking chair, thankfully, blissfully unaware of pretty much anything in life at that point. Unless I yell at her, grandma, pizza's here. She's not moving from that chair. She didn't hear the... Just the mug just gets stuck in the wall. My dad came home at that exact moment. The disappointment... And you know what the best part is? He doesn't remember it. I think he blocked it out of his head. He was so disappointed. You didn't know. The disappointment in his mind when he saw this. And I'm telling Jimmy this story. And then I reveal, as he's taken a... I was waiting. Stunned and briskly walled. Yeah. Let's do the energy. I saw him as he's about to take a sip of his drink. And I'm waiting. I'm kind of drawing it on because I want... As he's about to take a sip, I go, I was 17. Lost it. Came out of his nose, came out of his... And I was. Then I tried to walk it back, by the way, in the clip. I go, okay, maybe not 17. Maybe like 14 or 15. I was 17. Might have been 18. It might have been even worse. But his reaction made me feel a little shameful. Of course. But yeah, I used to have an e-fed. I don't anymore. But Jamie Noble. Still does. Has a great one. I don't know if we want to draw... He does. What do you mean? We don't want to draw attention to it? Yes, we do. He does have more attention on it. He does. Find Jamie Noble's Instagram. Is it Instagram? I think it's where he's promotion. Find it. This guy's book and shows the lawyer. Talented producer, by the way, right? Great. Amazing. He's great. I've tried to be a tag team with him on television for years. The closest we came is when I punched Waller in theory in the face at the same time. Jamie was part of it. I was like, that's it? This is our debut. We were on TV together. We're just going to keep rolling with it. I like it when you try to be a tag team with Jamie, one that I've been trying for years and just not going to happen. I keep trying to get abyss into the Royal Rumble. Well, yeah. It came so close one year. I know. I know. I just want... I think it's too late. Yeah, some things are too late. He lost too much weight. Yeah. He's, I think, putting him in the ring at this point when he walks that way would be illegal. But we love Chris. Chris Park. We talked about him on the one with Priest because he's such a unique producer agent to get... Just... Yeah. Uh-oh. Well, during the pandemic era, he was a producer a couple of times for me. And I'm the kind of guy who wants to figure shit out at the last second, last minute. We should talk about that, by the way. We should talk about this. But I will tell you this. I'll miss my flight. I don't care. Me and you are a whole other opposites in terms of preparation. And you and Sammy, who we've... I love that we've gone this whole pod without really touching on Sammy. Amazing. Because clearly, Sammy... So this is the stun and walk away a little bit. Stun and walk away. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Again, our friends at Wheely American Body Cup. Thank you. Stun and walk away. This is the most I've drank in at least five years, if not more, five years. What am I saying? I can tell. And I'm with you. Whoa. That rolls. Stun and maybe run. Well, no, I can't. Now more than ever not run. But you and Sammy... Run and definitely get a Uber home. You and Sammy are so, so on a different timetable. It's like rap time. I will be there at like noon and be thinking of what we're doing and then talk to the person that we're working with and whatever. And then Sammy... And here's... I want to completely round this out for people so they know there's really no wrong and there's really no right. There's definitely... But then Sammy... There's a right to 90% of the people and then there's a 10% that will not think we're wrong. But then... But no, no. Here's why I think there's no wrong and no right. Because Sammy will be at the last minute wanting... We'll show up at 3.30 PM. ...wanting to change a fundamental, massive piece of what we're doing... 40 seconds before we go out. ...repping for it. And he is taping his wrist as his music is playing. No, but wait. What if we do this instead? Yeah. And then we're in gorilla, the music's playing. He's like, we gotta go. No, no. But just duck that and then throw it. It's the... Okay, he got it. Did he get it? It's the opposite of my life. Hey, Jamie. Jamie, can you tell the ref to tell him to duck and then throw it? Yeah. It's the opposite of my life. Are we saying too much? Not at all. And full of meat. Like I've got my aminos. I've stretched out. I've oiled up. I'm ready to go. It's the opposite of my life. But here's what I've discovered. I've never stretched. I've still figured it out before we... Here's what I've discovered. Especially with you and Sammy, you will go out there and it will still be... Magical. And it's one of those like, I use R-Truth, I use Miz, I use those two as an example. So obviously, Sammy, the process of putting something together might be difficult. The process of getting together and the whole conversation and the pre-production might be arduous. But man, in the moment... Gosh, that was magic. And Sammy, I will watch Sammy like a two-seg. Especially when I move the smack down. He'll be in a two-seg or a three-seg match and I'll be watching him. And he is one of the few... Like he almost reminds me of Barry Windham from back in the day. He's one of the few that if that crowd was a little subdued by SegTube... Don't be awake. He's got him. And I'm like, dude, I don't do it the way he does it. That was our job when we were raw tag team champions. Or when we were tag team champions. We had a bit of a shit run. I remember before we won the titles, we kept saying, we just hope we can live up to the Usos. What the Usos did. And we didn't. But our role as tag team champions at the time was closing out raw and it didn't matter. Raw's a long show. Give him something. Three hours. Make sure they're awake by the end. And dude, watch that bit. And we wrestled Judgment Day about 17 times a row. We had them rockin' every time. And 95% of that credit for that goes to Sammy. And it's funny because you keep bringing up priests. No one hates that process more than Damien Twain. He will, oh my god, I've seen him lose it. But here's the magic. You're in the match together. So oil and water and then you get out there and you're like, ah. And then we come back and they're like, it worked. I'm like, of course it worked. I'm glad you brought up Miz though, because you know what, dude? Never count them out. Dude, there's a guy, if there's one guy that doesn't get enough credit, it's him. Even me. I'll fully admit this and I think I've told Mike before. I watched WWE from the outside looking in when I was an independent wrestler hoping to get to WWE. And I'd see Miz and go, how the f*** is this guy main eventing WrestleMania? How the f*** is this guy always in the top angles? How the f***? Dude, I know why once I worked with him once. I was like, that's why. He's amazing. We talked about making everything work. He is the epitome of that. Amazing. He'll say yes to anything. He'll make it work. He'll do it good. And dude, he has amazing matches. He had a match with Gunther in Chicago. I remember. You look at Miz. You look at Gunther and you look at Miz. They got him. You think those guys, you look at Gunther, you think, hey, I can't wait to see him wrestle. Miz is probably the bottom of the list. Dude, they killed it. Killed it. And guess what? That's true with almost everyone. Miz can do that with anybody. It's funny because I had one of the rare bad matches with him and it's definitely my fault. But I will say this. I had at the school one time, I had a kid kind of, he said something snide about Mike and I thought, you know what? This is a good teaching moment. And I walked out after I was done. I was like, hey, just so you know, if you look at the amount of time and equity and ability and also we're in a season right now where WWE is cool. Everybody loves WWE. WWE is great. There have been seasons where that's not the case. And there was Mike. There was Miz. And he's one of those. He reminds me, there's a couple others. I mentioned this to Natty Nightheart not long ago. She was talking about her book. You know, when Natty eventually goes in the hall of fame, I'll probably stand up for three minutes clapping for her. When Miz goes in the hall of fame, I'll stand up for it. That's going to be very special because he's so unique and he's so, I got you. There's only one speed with him. You know what I'm saying? It's a special thing. It's because they also, Natty too, same thing. They do it in a way that's not spectacular. It's not extravagant. They're just super solid all the time. They're super reliable all the time, consistent all the time. So much so that you don't even notice it. You kind of take it for granted. But man, like I remember Mike putting on matches with Roman and Seth and Finn for the Icy title for a period of time where you think, oh, Roman versus Seth, that's going to be a barn burner. Roman versus Finn, barn burner. Seth versus Finn, barn burner. Seth versus Mike, Roman versus Miz. But why? Because he does it every time. You know why? Dude, because he doesn't go around telling everyone he's the best. And I'm not saying Roman and Seth do, which they kind of do. Finn definitely doesn't. But they can say it. Mike doesn't do that, dude. Mike does what he's asked to do all the time as good as he can. You know what I mean? Natty's the same way, dude. Natty can go with anyone. You use the word consistency. To me, I tell a lot of my students, I'm like, man, it's not just about hitting it that one night. It's about can you hit it the next night? Because my dad, I remember he used to tell people, he's like, what are you doing? Main event in WrestleMania, he joke with me, what are you doing the next night? And I thought, like, isn't it done in an end? Main event in WrestleMania? Sure. I mean, I'm not just a fan of the numbers of this business. The follow-ups are more important. Dude, consistency is consistency is actually sometimes plays against you. Yeah, no for sure. Because if you're too consistent, then it becomes normal. People expect you to kill it. So when you do, it's barely noticed. Special guy. You know what I mean? For sure. Well, the first thing I want to do is I meant to do it in kind of a more special way, but it's even better now because you're drinking and you don't drink that often. And that's the stun and briskly walk. Stun and get a taxi home. Stun and don't drive. Stun and Uber. Yes. Buckle up. Put your blinkers on people. Signal, you're going right, left. Just let the person behind you know. That's great advice. My son's just got his license. He's brand new driver. He's better than about 90% of the Florida drivers out there. Wake up. Not a great driving state. You're going to say it? Yeah. Well, no. Okay. The PSA on blinkers, we do like that. I do believe that. And I believe you do. I drove away from Sammy during the WrestleMania buildup. Drove away angrily. He told me he loved me. I didn't care. I slammed the door. And before I drove off quickly, buckled up. And as I pulled out, put my blinker on. People noticed it. They said he's angry, but still buckled up. He put his blinker on. Because that's what you do. When you're saved. Don't let emotions get the best of you. You stay safe. I'll say this. They haven't used it for TV yet. And it's bumming me out. But I pitched that idea a long time ago of you, because you were doing all your promos in your car. Yes. I pitched this idea a while ago, and I'm waiting for them to use it, of you pulling into the arena side ramp where we can clearly see you in one of your many beautiful vehicles. And you still do the promo on your phone. Yeah. You can't leave. And then you back away safely, clearly. And I still, because I just love the idea of you sitting in a car, and you clearly could get out and go to the ring. But no, you're going to do it. How you do it. Also, in the WrestleMania buildup, I wanted to do one of those in my car and have Randy just blow through me in a truck. Smash it. I was willing to let the Lamborghini go for it. You said no. Oh, so I broke my neck. So everything went wrong. You want to talk about that? Yeah, sure. But what were you going to say first? Well, no, I actually, more than anything, it's yours to tell the world where you're at. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's been such a frustrating process. We're kind of trying to let, we're letting my spinal cord heal as much as we can on its own before we go on for the surgery. Because the extent, how extensive the surgery will be depends on how my spinal cord looks when we go in there. So we waited, you know, the trauma happened in January. Well, probably it was building up, right? But January is what made it, you know, what really did it. And we had this nice and easy ladder match where nothing crazy happened at all. And I kept going for a while. And then in the first week of April, when we had the MRI and they were like, oh, guess what, you can't even get hit. Don't even get hit. Because you might die. So everything took a turn. And now it's been three months since then, since my last match. March 1st was my last match. So March, April, May, it's been four months almost. We're waiting till mid-July to do the surgery. Hopefully it's a normal neck fusion. It might not be. We don't know. So since then, I felt fine. My neck's been fine. I'm not in pain. I have no really any symptoms of what you would expect somebody with spinal cord injury have to have. But in the last week, we were texting about this two days ago, and you asked me for details in a classic Kodi move. I didn't answer you. I left you hanging. Thank you. In the last week, for some reason, the symptoms all came in one shot. Every symptom you'd expect me to have, the pain in the neck, the stuff going down the arms, the legs not really responding, it's all been happening. So it's been pretty brutal. I'm really, I can't wait for the surgery. And then to move forward, whatever that looks like, but it's been very frustrating. Because I felt great. So we had two incidents where basically in the ring, my legs kind of fell asleep and I was like, there's something wrong. We thought it was one thing, which is why we didn't go right away for the neck, because it wasn't consistent with the neck injury. Yeah. I remember you telling me about your legs. So we looked at everything else and we figured it's not that. Let's go, let's take a look at the neck and then it was that. But besides those two instances where my legs kind of fell asleep in the ring, I felt great. So I'd have doctors call me and I've been very fortunate to have Randy, TJ. And WWE, Jeffrey Dugas put me in touch with all the best spine surgeons they have. They're great. I've spoken to all these different surgeons. They give me their opinions and what they would do. All in the hopes that I can get back in the ring and be safe. So I have all these opinions, but all of them were like, so you don't have any symptoms? I'm like, no, except for that time, my legs fell asleep. I'm fine now. They came back. No pain, nothing, no discomfort. I'm great. The last week, everything hit. So now it's like a different story. I'm like, now I can't wait to get the surgery, not just because I want to get back in the ring, just because I want to not be in pain. So yeah, this is helping. This is great though. This might be the key. It can get you through the real. I feel great right now. Get you back in the ring. I'll mention this because when we wrestled at the row rumble and we did the ladder match, we had talked about it. I felt like my legs, it was always a unique symptom. My legs just feel like they're dragging under me. And then I remember, I felt like I got a sense that it might have been more serious because of mutual friend, Kathy Kelly. I remember after that match, I came back and I was looking for you and I wanted to make sure you were okay. And I remember I wanted to update her too. I just felt like I needed to update her. And the way she looked at me was like my mom used to look at me. The way she looked at me, she was like, yeah, we need to make sure he's okay. And the way she said it, I thought, got it. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. But she values that relationship so much, your friendship. And I thought, got it. We're going to find out. She's a good friend, but also we went through something pretty traumatic together. It sounds silly when we talk about the cart, the golf cart, flipping and saudi in the middle of the desert in the middle of the night. It seems mundane, right? Oh, you flipped around in a golf cart. You don't understand. Not at all. It was wild, man. And as we were flipping, what I was mad at, the first thing that went to my head is me and Jamie Noble. By the way, if you want to take a tumble in the desert in a golf cart with people, Jamie Noble, Kathy Kelly, best people you could do it with. The value and also if this is the last moment we have, these are pretty good crew to go out with. But Jamie and I sit in the back. The driver tells us, OK, put your seatbelts on. If we start flipping, if we start rolling, it probably won't happen. But if we start rolling, just make sure you keep your arms in. OK, after he gave us the safety briefing, Kathy jumps in, doesn't get the safety briefing. But whatever she buckles up, she's in the front. We start going. Yeah, we're not going to roll. Why will we roll? Going through the dunes, great time, amazing time. And then as we go up a dune, I see the buggy in front of us almost go. And then I go, oh, we're going to go. And as we start going, in my head, I go, Kathy doesn't know to keep her hands in. So I just reached around and grabbed her arms. And as we're rolling, I'm holding on to her. So I think that's why she was so concerned about the Royal Rumble is because I didn't save her life. I didn't have her arms, but I tried to make sure she was safe. And then both of us experienced this incredible thing, which is we're upside down in the golf cart. We're sand pouring down our face or ears, everything. And all we hear is Jamie Noble going, my ribs, my ribs, my ribs, my ribs. I'm OK. I love how you've described a near death experience with CK and Jamie Noble. And then I'm the last one in the golf cart, by the way. They pulled Jamie out. They pulled her out. I'm literally just sand pouring down my face. I'm stuck in the seatbelt. And guess who's voice I hear? Who? Take one guess. I would not even. Is he OK? Hey, Kevin, are you in there? Is Kevin in there? Sammy Zane trying to tell people, where's Kevin? I'm in here. Where do you think I am? Like, hey, dude, you got to get out. I'm upside down. And he's telling people how to move. You know what I mean? It's terrible. Oh, man. Oh, man. But then the first face I see as I stand up, Sammy Zane, dude, are you OK? I have so many fun Sammy stories. Who doesn't? He's a special soul. He is, yeah. During that period of time we worked, we wrestled, we were so fortunate that we got to bring back the winged eagle. Yeah, dude. And then we got to really bring it back. Oh, my God. And this moment. As soon as you brought it back, my first thought was, how do I attach myself to this when it has nothing to do with me? That's perfect because I'm going to try to steal it. And that's what happened. You did. So you got the best of it. We got the best of it world. So you got to bring it back. Yeah. I got to steal it, be on TV a bunch with it. And then you got to take it back. But I was really hoping you'd get to keep it. We talked about this. Well, so I did. No, but I meant on TV. I was hoping moving forward, that would be it for you. That's the one you get to carry. I think there's some reasons maybe, and not just the company reasons. I think there's some reasons from a aesthetic point. I didn't get to keep it. But I did keep the actual title. And I would love to give it to you. No, we've talked about this before. Well, too bad, buddy. I'm not taking it. I'm not taking it. It's right there in that box. I'm not taking it. I was just talking to Ben about me. I asked Ben to give it to me so I could frame it for you. And he never did. Seriously, I asked about framing it for you. And you know me, rather behind when it comes to anything, especially answering texts. But yeah, no, I wanted you to have it. That's ours. I can't take it. Well, you are taking it. And I'm going to sign it. Do we have a penske? But this is our one. Fine. I'll take it because you're signing it. That was always the plan. All right. We'll sign it and then in case. Yeah, but that's our one. Yeah. Thanks, man. I had it on the bus. Yeah. I kept asking Ben, how do we get it? Yeah, get it on the bus. Yeah. Well, that means a lot, dude. And I'll definitely find a way to leave it on the bus another time when you won't notice. We're going to double sign it. And because you were the guy who got to, there it is. You know what the sweetest part of it was? Is doing the thing with Sean at Saturday Night's Main Event. Oh my gosh. With it. Yeah. Dude, that was so cool. I was dude. Also, it wasn't forced. Hey, we're going to bring it back for Saturday Night's Main Event. Yeah. Great. That's cool. Let's, he took it. Let's keep it going. Oh well, to you it wasn't forced because you were only part of one tiny bit of it. I feel you had to. Triple H would probably tell you it was forced because I kept it down. Can I steal it? Please, could I steal it? Let's do a ladder match. If I steal it, we could have two titles. Then we could do a ladder match. And we did. Can I steal it? I know. I think this title for you is special. The same reason it is for me is because when I, well, maybe not actually because you grew up watching your dad wrestling all kinds of different promotions with all kinds of different world titles. When I started watching wrestling, this was the ultimate title. It was the title of the Brett and Sean and all those guys were trying to get, you know, until it changed over. Steve won it and then they switched it. But to me, that's the title that I dreamed of winning when I was younger. Actually, funny enough, the title I originally dreamed of winning and that I would win in my bedroom against my pillows and teddy bears all the time was the original intercom, well, not original, but the intercontinental title with the white strap, which I ended up being able to hold because someone brought it back. You remember who that person was? I did. I was you. Of course. So of course you'd bring that one back. Well, this one's yours. Yeah. Signed for you. Thank you. There you go. I kept the inscription pretty simple. I love you too, buddy. That's amazing. So it'll be available on eBay very soon. What's so funny is that that's the, you know, the winged eagle and you grew up. Which by the way, every eagle has wings. Well, this one's the winged eagle title. Yeah, this was the winged eagle. You grew up, I liked it for a different reason than you liked it, but I know one of the big connections you have to it is Bret Hart, who is your friend. So how's that? Like growing up, loving someone, the hitman, the excellence of execution and now this person is in your life and your friend and a luminary figure that you have. I don't want to overstate. One thing that's very important for me is not overstating relationships. Well, you shouldn't on this show because we like to exaggerate. We're friendly. I'll text Bret. He'll text me back with a great relationship. Yeah. I can't say he's my friend. I wish I could workplace proximity. More than that, but if because of somebody I admire greatly and I know if I ever needed advice, I could go to him and he would gladly give it to me. If he ever said we're friends, then I'd be like Bret Hart, my friend, but I don't feel comfortable saying he's my friend until he says it. Okay. See what I mean? Out of respect. Totally. But growing up, ironically enough, I was not a Bret Hart fan at all. Oh, no. But there's a great reason. I was an Oh and a Hart fan. Oh, okay. I thought you were going to go with Sean. No, I was a Sean guy. But you were an Oh and a Hart. It all started at WrestleMania 11. First tape, my dad rented, which made me want to be a wrestler. At the end of that tape, I saw Sean right before the end, which was Bullshit, by the way. L.T. Van Van. Lauren Steyler, good wrestle. Who gives a shit? I stan. Van Van got his main event, though, which he deserved. I do stan a part. I like L.T. Van Van. The match was fine. Van Van deserved to be the main event. But to me, what blew my mind, what changed my life was Sean Michaels. Smallest guy on the show, best guy on the show. At the time, I was a tiny, scrawny kid. If he can do it, I can do it too. But then, and then I started backtracking and going, renting tapes from the year before. So then I watched Royal Rumble from that year, which has Bret Hart versus Diesel for the WW Championship. And Bret, at one point, tries to tie up Diesel's legs with the camera wires. I was upset. He's cheating. How can this guy cheat? Then Owen jumps in and attacks his older brother. I have an older brother, 10 years older, used to beat the shit out of me, which is fine. I love him. We let bygones be bygones. But at the time, I don't like my older brother. He beats the shit out of me. Bret Hart's the older brother. Owen's trying to keep him from cheating. Owen Hart's my guy. So you see what I mean? Automatically, Sean Michaels fan. Owen Hart fan. Can't really be a Bret Hart guy. But I knew he was a great wrestler. I knew he was a talented wrestler. And then years later, obviously, there's Bret Hart's a great guy. I met him. So now, I'd like to say he's my friend. But growing up Canadian, you'd think, was I a huge Bret Hart guy? Not necessarily. So that's crazy to me. I thought you would be, because I was a Sean guy. Yeah. Yeah, I was a Sean guy. I was a Stone Cold guy. That's another thing. Stone Cold fan. More than anything, I was a Ringmaster fan. You know, few people can say that. I actually can join you in that, because I knew of Steve before he jumped. I didn't, because I hated WCW. I could not stand WCW when watched it, refused to acknowledge it. Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny how life works out, eh? It is. Yeah, and now I have this, because you brought it back. Yeah, the Wayne D'Eill. And you brought back the Intercontinental title, which I also got to hold. This segment is brought to you by Fanatics. What is your Mount Rushmore of sports jerseys, including WWE gear? That means the most to you. So here's the thing we often will ask is, give us your Mount Rushmore of fanatics, like your Fanatics Mount Rushmore, and that can be jerseys, you know, in terms of hockey, baseball, football, whatever it may be, or it can be wrestling gear. Your Mount Rushmore of, we've had people say Austin 316, that classic shirt, the NWO, classic shirt, things like that. Your Mount Rushmore. If we're going with just WWE wrestlers, or wrestlers in general, but WWE wrestlers, who I'd like an autographed jersey of, you know what I mean? Yeah. I'd go with Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels. There he is. I'm going to go with four, same thing. Yeah. Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, and Becky Lynch. Oh, that's a great crew. Greatest four. Yeah. I was going to say, is there any version of your Fanatics Mount Rushmore in terms of jerseys, like a hockey jersey that you'd put on your Mount Rushmore, your Big Four? So I'm not a big sports guy. I did follow hockey when I was a kid. Then wrestling happened. I couldn't care less about any other sports. I got back into hockey recently. I got season tickets to the Habs, got season tickets to the Lightning. Yeah. I've been watching hockey. I love that you're a Tampa guy now. So as far as hockey goes, because it's really the only sport I know enough about. When I was a kid, I loved Mario Lemieux and Patrick O'ahuah. Yeah. So I'd be one of those two. Can't really pick which one. That's great. Well, you get to say those two. Yeah. There you go. For our viewers and listeners, whoever's on your Mount Rushmore, you can get all your favorite jerseys and fan clothing from Fanatics. Go to Fanatics.com or download the app today. I mean, we can keep all this in, but basically here's the story. We have to keep it. During Stardust, I needed a little bit of a mental edge on how bad I was being treated, even though maybe it wasn't that bad. But I kicked Kevin with a disaster kick and he kicked out before I even caught, like as I covered his chest, he kicked out right away. And that was during the NXT Sami Zayn era. If you're not here to earn a spot, you're here to take a spot. And so I hated all of them with a passion. But the truth of the story is it wasn't Sami. It wasn't Kevin. It was Jon Moxley who did it. And Jon Moxley is awesome. So I'm not, no, that's the story. Also remember we talked about Big Show earlier? Yeah. Funny enough, wasn't Big Show kind of the reason why you, he wasn't wrestling him in his own town as Stardust, the kind of, the straw that broke the Kevin? It's one of the straws that broke the, yeah, there's a couple of them. There's a moment where I remember Charlotte asked me, can I meet one of her, like she had brought a little kid to the show, can I meet this kid? And I said, yeah. And she goes, hey, he's Stardust. And I could see the kid was like, who is this? And I remember thinking like, oh no, not only does he really not know Stardust, he doesn't know what I was doing prior, gotta go. That was one of, there was a bazillion reasons. Road Dog, Road Dog and I have a great relationship. So to this day, it's one of my favorite stories. But when I went to him asking, what's the finish on me and Zach Ryder for the 11th time on main event. And he goes, hey man, does it really matter? I remember thinking, yep, got it. And I remember I told Cardona after I said, you up, Rough Ryder and walked out the door and I didn't come back. I'm here with Kevin Owens, my guest, of course. I like to think of myself and Wheely Boddick as the American Dream Team. I always ask people, what is your American Dream Team? What are we doing? So here's, I'll go ahead and give it to you. Some people say, this is my team of people I'm preparing for the zombie apocalypse with. Other people from a wrestling perspective, I say, hey, who's your war games team? So that you don't know, we've had everything. We've had like a hundred people, we've had four. Who's your team? I need more boundaries. Give me at least a number. More qualifiers? I'm on a four. Four people to go along with you. You're going into it. Who's it gonna be? Man, it's very hard to pick just even with this boundary, it's almost impossible to pick four. I know, that's why it's so difficult. I'm just gonna go with WWE wrestlers who I pick for a Survivor Series team. And I'll go ahead and qualify for you. Kevin's answer might change over time. Well, but here are four guys you'd go into it with today. The only reason it wouldn't change is because now I'm also gonna use that as a cop out. Because it's a Survivor Series team and we don't do mixed gender matches, that automatically eliminates Becky and Liz. So they can't be in it, but you guys will totally be in it. No ladies. So for Survivor Series, current WWE talent, you, Randy, Sammy, Finn. Easy. Dude, we'd smoke the field. And ringside as our manager making his debut, Michael Kirshenbaum. Wow, we'd smoke the field. Wait, this doesn't matter. Randy, all 800 pounds of it doesn't matter who else is there. It does not matter who else is there. Oh, I love that. That's right. Okay, this is, I don't know if you watched the show before. Is this gonna be at the end of our episode? It is. I'm about to crack this Cody Rhodes bottle open. Dude, go right ahead. I don't know if I was allowed to, but it's happening. I feel like, oh man, I feel like you're allowed to do anything here on this pod. I know I have a flight, exactly. I'm not flying the plane. Talent Relations here. And they're driving me there. It's incredible. Talent Relations here. Oh. Here is a, sorry. It's a jingle that we. Got it? You have to mix it. You got it. All right, so here's- Cody will pay for whatever broke. I don't think it broke. Here's a jingle brought to you by our friends, our Wheatley American vodka. I want you to watch it and I'll ask you to replace- That should not be a bartender. Replace a word at the end. Wheatley, so good I drink it neatly. This song right here is for the red, white, and blue. You got good taste and you drink like a tube. Wheatley, so good I drink it neatly. Wheatley, American vodka. All right, so Wheatley vodka is so good. Very catchy. It is, right? These are good folks here, by the way. Wheatley, so good I drink it neatly. So if you could replace the word neatly, what do you replace it with? Wheatley, so good I drink it- Naked. Well, you, that for sure. Naked. I don't drink anything naked. I'm never naked. Why would I do that to people? But I drink this- You're actually not the first person to say naked. Don't tell me priests said it. Nope, my wife said yes. Okay, that's fine. I'll agree. If I can, I don't mind Brandy. If priests had said it, we'd change my answer. What's your best friend? I know that we can't, we're so connected, we would have said the same thing. Man, thanks. Thank you. My gosh, thank you. Thank you, this is incredible. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Please keep it. I meant to frame it for you. It's set under the coats on my bus. Ladies and gentlemen, our guests and my friend Kevin Owen. Oh. Thank you, buddy. Thank you so much. That was so much fun. I'm definitely going to miss my flight.