Evil Twin: The Doppleganger

Hi there, I'm K-Town, and on this edition of Mysterious Radio. The motivation was my mother's call, which just to sort of paraphrase was intriguing to me because my mum is 82, lives 600 or 700 miles away, called me one day, a bit concerned that she kept seeing her sister in her house. and yet her sister wasn't there so she'd come to the conclusion she was seeing her sister's ghost and she was rather concerned because her sister isn't is still with the living and so she knew that i had an interest in these things and asked me how could that possibly be how can i be how can i be seeing ghost of my sister who is still with us and uh to be honest i i at the time i couldn't really think of many, many ideas other than maybe, you know, astral projection, remote viewing, something along those lines. And I just basically told, you know, relax, be calm, don't worry about it. I'm sure everything will be fine. And then I went off and started to do some research. And in the course of doing that research, I started to come up with a strange idea. And the idea is this, is that at times, whether that be a moment of very significant stress, life-threatening scenario or illness, fever, that kind of thing, or perhaps inadvertently when just daydreaming and entering a sort of mental state in which meditation is conducted, we are able in fact to project ourselves into another place and bilocate. Now bilocation is the ability to be in two or more places at once and surprisingly enough when you do the research on bilocation it's not something that's that abnormal. For example many of the Catholic saints are credited with the ability to bilocate. In fact, part of the reason that they become saints is because they were seen in two places at once. There are numerous stories of different saints like Padre Pio and people like this being physically in the presence of a person whilst conducting some kind of a religious act elsewhere, perhaps thousands of miles away in front of other people. and so I discovered that all of these Catholic saints could bilocate and then I'd done some research on the alchemists and magicians of the 15th and 16th century and also many of those were credited with this ability to be in two or more places at once there's a gentleman a mysterious gentleman by the name of Comte actually no he's not called Comte de Gabouille that's the name of a book that's reputed to be by him. But anyway, he is credited with being involved in various political sort of movements around Europe during the 15th, 16th, 17th century, having the ability to speak multiple languages fluently, having great vast wealth from which, you know, which nobody knew where it came from. And he was credited with this ability as well. So having discovered this thing called bilocation, I then also started to look through some of the stories that had been submitted to my website, myhauntedlife2.com, which is one of those websites where people can submit their own experiences with the paranormal. And I discovered that there were a lot of doppelganger type stories. And so I began to look at that because that was also, you know, what my mother may have seen was a sister's doppelganger. And I discovered another phenomena in the process called a vaardogger, which is a physical site, the premonition by seeing the person of a person's arrival from Scandinavia, which is very similar to a doppelganger. And I started to put all this together and create a bit of a theory that we can all be doppelgangers in a sense. On the doppelganger side, though, you know, I also came across some On the doppelganger side, I also came across some other interesting websites and strands of research. For example, there is a website where you can go and join the website and look for your own double or doppelganger. And I suppose that that's quite a fun thing to do. Although, given the fact that seeing your own doppelganger is meant to be like foretelling your own death or foretelling some horrible thing that's about to happen to you, I don't know why people would spend money to do it. Exactly. I also came across a lot of stories on the internet about how people had inadvertently bumped into their own double, I think, recently. Probably a lot of people might have seen the story about the guy who got on a Ryanair flight here in Europe from, I think it was somewhere in Ireland, to fly to the UK and found himself sitting next to his double. they took a selfie and it was all over the internet but it was an even more bizarre story because once they left the airplane they went their own separate ways they found themselves checking into the same hotel at the same time so they they rejoined and took another selfie went up to their rooms and later on discovered they were in the same bar drinking beer together so you know obviously more than just body doubles but some kind of connection one would suspect but looking around the stories on on my own website um there was quite a lot of them that some of them extremely creepy i think i mentioned the last time the one about the uh the guy that saw his grandmother looking into his closet and asked his grandmother you know what are you doing here and she was looking blank faced he described it as evil faced and he got very frightened and just about that time he was called down to dinner because his grandmother was downstairs cooking dinner. And there were a number of stories along those lines. I want to ask you, Gary, did you ask for these stories specifically or were people just reporting those to you? No, the idea behind the website is just, you know, people submit their experiences with the paranormal and we sift through them and we put up the good ones. And on days where we don't have any, I'll go around sites like Reddit and hotel review sites looking for interesting stories and post things just to keep the content going. But no, there's no, I wasn't asking for doppelganger stories. I wasn't asking for any particular type of story, just your experiences of the supernatural. And then, you know, I'm able to sift through those. When I post them, I obviously use search terms, categories. So I'm able to search on those categories and look for doppelganger stories or poltergeist stories or demon stories or whatever and take a look. And I found probably about 20 or so doppelganger stories. And many of them sort of follow a similar sort of format where in one, I think the guy is on the point to sleep, lying in his bed. He hears his parents leave the house in the morning, get in the car. He hears the crunching of the travel as they drive away. He's a teen, I guess, so he's lazily laying in bed. And a couple of hours later, he hears the car drive up, the front door open, his mother and father chit-chatting, the dogs barking. Mother shouts up the stairs, you know, you're still in bed. So he replies, yeah, but I'll get up now you're back. He gets up, has a shower, goes downstairs, nobody home, no car in the drive, parents arrive later. So explain that. I know he had to be freaked out. That's just scary thinking about that. You know, why do you think people see them anyway? I know you said that it's supposed to be like a premonition to something, you know, hopefully not anything bad. But supposedly it's a sign that something, I guess, unfortunate is about to happen. Have you had any reports of this happening to someone like meeting a tragic end? Well, a lot of the stories did suggest that things weren't so well after they'd seen a doppelganger. For example, I think there was a story that I put in the book that was submitted to the site where a woman, I think, was eating in a restaurant somewhere in the U.S., one of the fast food restaurants. And a little girl kept coming over and acting very familiar with her, and she was a bit puzzled. and eventually little girl's grandmother came over and showed her a photograph in which the little girl was the, I think it was her older sister and the older sister was the double of this person sitting in the restaurant and of course she found that quite a bizarre experience but subsequently she was in hospital with a heart condition and was quite ill for a number of months so the implication behind that doppelganger story was I didn't see my own doppelganger, but I saw a photograph of her, and I was then seriously ill for a period of time. There's another one that was really quite sinister that I particularly enjoyed that was submitted to the site by a lady who enjoyed being on the beach. I don't know if you recall that story, but they were on the beach, the family, and they were looking for seashells and playing around, and a storm started to brew up. So her husband and two kids went off back to the rental cottage, and the mother just basically spent a bit more time walking along the beach as the waves began to sort of broil with the storm coming. She was kind of enjoying it. But all of a sudden she saw what she thought was a four daughter actually struggling in the sea and of course as any mother would be she was filled with a sense of dread that her daughter was you know about to drown And she was arguing internally but I know my daughter went back with my husband. So what is it that I'm seeing? So she began to be really quite scared about this. She started to wade into the water. She was, you know, very hysterical. She describes herself as crying, very frightened. And she also had this feeling like she really should go into the water she wanted she's being drawn into the water eventually uh she kind of overcome the feeling she said to herself this is ridiculous i know my daughter's with my husband and she ran off back to the cottage where of course she discovered her husband and the two daughters safe and sound and she writes that she was convinced you know that the whole experience the doppelganger of a daughter was drawing her drawing her mother to her death by drowning in the ocean and she said that the force that she felt was very strong much stronger than anything she'd ever known before so there is this sort of doppelganger um destiny and not so nice destiny sort of of um conclusion to be drawn from many of these stories and i think that one's a good good example um because it's not her own it's not her own doppelganger but the doppelganger daughter which if you see somebody else's doppelganger apparently it's not quite so bad as if you see your own frankly i'd rather not see anybody's doppelganger don't know about you i totally agree gary there's another story um that was submitted by someone who wanted to remain anonymous where which i also kind of like because in this one and i use this one specifically because there was a There's the idea of the body image being the reverse. So it was a double, but it was like a mirror image. So when you look in the mirror, and this is why I don't like selfies of myself. I don't know about you, but when I see a selfie, it doesn't look like I see myself in a mirror, which is the reverse. And she was a student. She was living with a couple of other students. She was watching the TV one evening. her friend decided she'd go off to bed. Friend went off to bed. The TV she was watching started to misbehave a bit. And then the friend returned. She came walking down the stairs. You know, she was silent, sat on the sofa, didn't communicate, describes her as being kind of limp and not quite with it. And later on, the person telling the story says that in fact she realized there was something odd other than just the quietness and what was odd was she was a sort of reverse the buttons were on the lapel um you know her face was was kind of the mirror image of what it should have been so she was essentially seeing a doppelganger of a friend who was the mirror image but she didn't realize it um for quite some time because she was sitting there for an hour watching tv silently with a friend sat next to her when down comes down the stairs comes her friend saying she couldn't sleep having trouble sleeping and she says for a minute i was in a room looking at two copies of my friend one the mirror image of the other before the doppelganger faded away in front of us um and you know just to emphasize the sort of ultimate effect of seeing a doppelganger. Years later, when she meets the family of this friend that she lived with, she discovers that the friend was in a car crash and was quite seriously ill for some time. So, you know, there again is this implication that she sees her friend's doppelganger and her friend has some kind of unfortunate event occur to her. oh wow that is scary i'll tell you what um i've never heard anything good about doppelgangers as a matter of fact there was a gentleman that helped us move uh in the past couple of weeks and he told me a story about a doppelganger he had no idea what it was and he said he saw his girlfriend washing dishes he had just woke up from a nap and he said i know her up and down they've been together around 10 years i guess and um he heard her washing dishes and he said hey honey or whatever and she she said nothing um all he could see was her arm washing the dishes but as he walked closer to her it was you know it just disappeared the person just disappeared or whatever yeah but he said it scared the living basically well i think it would scare anybody yeah i mean as he rounded the corner to see her whole body it was nothing there you know and i told him about doppelganger so hopefully he'll listen to this show but it is very very unnerving but i want to tell you this go ahead go ahead yeah i was just going to mention another story which i i think would be a very very frightening experience imagine being a fairly you know young child um coming home from school with your older sister who kind of watched you until your parents came home. And you sat there watching TV and you hear a bit of a noise and you look up the stairs and you see your father at the top of the stairs with his finger to his lips in the shh, you know, type sign. And then sort of the figure of the father backs off around the corner and you know that your father's at work and sure enough, an hour later your father turns up in his car driving home from work. I mean, imagine that kind of an experience as a young child. And that was another one of the stories that I chose to put in the book from the website, obviously a lot longer. But that, again, scared me because I could just imagine, you know, being sat in the house alone with my, I don't have an older sister, but with an older sister. And having that kind of experience and then spending the next hour scared witless until my parents came home. Exactly, exactly. There are famous doppelganger stories as well. Can you tell us about those? There's a couple of great ones, actually, that I discovered during the course of doing some research because I was looking for anything, really, as I was trying to think what could have happened to my mother with a sister. I was really just Googling and just all over the web. And I came across a couple of wonderful stories. the one I liked best actually was Queen Elizabeth I of England who was the 15th, 16th century monarch. She was the virgin queen, lived for quite a long time, never married, never had any kids. And I guess she led quite a lonely life because she said she was married to England. And being the queen in those days, it was full of intrigue, lots of politics. you know she was all for most of the the first 10 20 years of her reign she was always fearful of some attempted coup or or having half sister or cousin replace or this kind of thing and apparently she um she saw herself um actually laid out on the bed dead so she saw a dead body laid out on on her bed dead she wrote about in a diary and she died she passed away shortly afterwards So there you go. There's a particularly horrible story of sort of foreseeing your own death. There's also the one about Abraham Lincoln, who earlier on in his life looked in a mirror and saw two of him looking back. One was older and gray and haggard, and the other one was himself. and I guess he realized in later life that both of them were him, but one was him older, probably as president, with that weight of the presidency and everything that was going on at the time hanging on his shoulders. So there's quite a number of people, famous people, that have experienced doppelganger-type incidents as well. Another one was Lenin in Moscow. He was shot and dying, laid in his bed at home, and yet one of the guards at the Kremlin one night heard from his office a lot of activity, bangs and crashes, searching through files, looking at books and so on. He called his superiors and said, you know, is the president in his office? Because I hear a lot of activity from his office. And his superiors told him, no, he's still in bed, seriously ill with a gunshot wound. And he died shortly afterwards as well. So there you go. There's three quite famous people involved in Dr. Banger stories. I had no idea. And I'm glad you put that in the book. And I do recommend that you pick those up. They are available on Amazon.com. I'm talking to G. Michael Vasey, and we have more coming up for you right after this. All right, we are back. And now, Gary, let's get into bilocation, which I find very fascinating. Well, bilocation is simply the ability to be physically present in more than one location at the same time. And as I said, a lot of the saints in the Catholic Church are credited with the ability to bilocate. A lot of the ancient alchemists and magicians of the 15th, 16th century Europe were credited with the ability to bilocate and be in two places, or more than two places at the same time, including a famous character who wrote the Gabbley book who appeared from nowhere was incredibly wealthy without any means of having ever earned any money could speak any language known to man, and had this ability to be involved in political intrigue in multiple capitals of Europe at the same time. So there's lots of these bilocation stories around. astral projection to me is something slightly different because astral projection is is and to think about this we have to think about uh different bodies which is kind of an odd concept but the idea in in bilocation is that the physical there's a physical body presence whereas in astral projection it's the astral body which is this if you want this this um higher vibrational body or a body on a different plane or however you want to look at it but it's it's a different sort of concept and um i did investigate both and came to the conclusion that the more promising line of inquiry was that was the bilocation astral projection I felt was not as promising because if you astrally project yourself, and I've done this once and other people are able to do it at will, you can be in another place and you can experience another place, but I'm not sure that anybody necessarily sees you in that place. And a good example of that might be the kind of stories you read about people having surgery and they wake, They don't actually go to sleep. They find themselves hovering above their own body, watching the surgeons cut them open and do the operation. And then after the surgery is over and the drugs wear off, they're backing their body again. And that's an astral projection type story. Nobody saw that presence in the operating theater. But the person who had the experience seems to be able to bring detail about what actually happened while they were out of body. So in my instance, I used to try to astrally project and would always fall asleep trying, actually. And then one evening, I was laid on my bed in my student residence, and I guess I was trying to astrally project, and I suddenly found myself floating along this strange panelled sort of, I guess it was a ceiling, and it was one of those ceilings that came down at an angle and then abruptly went up, then came down at an angle, abruptly went up like steps in reverse. And I remember thinking to myself, well, this is a bit weird because this is like the ceiling of the Students' Union building in the hall where all the gigs were back then. The rock bands came and played there. And sure enough, I turned myself around and I'm looking at the floor and I can see flashing lights like disco lights through the glass, you know, the windows in the wall. And I drift through the wall and discover, in fact, there's some full-fledged social event going on in the Students' Union, which was a bit of a surprise to me because I was the stage manager at that time for the Students' Union. So I was very puzzled as to what was going on, why I didn't know about it and why I wasn't there. And just at that moment, I started to hear a knocking, and that knocking sort of drug me back to my body. I woke up on the bed, discovered that someone was knocking at my door. I opened the door, and I saw my friend Steve, who looked a bit sort of winded because he'd ran across from the students' union to tell me that I was needed there. And before he could utter a word, I said, yeah, I know. There's a disco going on, and I need to be there, right? he looked very shocked but um you know that's the only time i've actually managed it nobody saw me so it wasn't like by location where i was in two places at once it was more that my consciousness was in a different place to my body and i think that's a good description of astral projection it's where your consciousness travels but the body doesn't and in by location it seems to me that the body somehow appears and travels and the person's consciousness is in two places at once. And I think that's a very important difference. And that's why I kind of dropped the astral projection theme in the book and went on to look at biolocation in more detail. And one of the clues that got me sort of on the way to my final hypothesis was a story that a friend of mine submitted to me out of the blue. She wrote an email and told me this story about when she was younger, living in France. Her parents had just visited. And back then, of course, there was no cell phones and this kind of thing. And it took them quite a while to get home, maybe 24 hours. and she was laying in bed and she distinctly heard her mother's voice call her by name a couple of times and of course she she looked around looking for a mother her mother wasn't there and she became very concerned so when she could she went to a phone box at expense with coins called up her parents spoke to her father and discovered that on the way home her mother had had a bit of a stroke and was nevering, but obviously it was an event that was very disturbing to the mother and father. And that kind of gave me a clue because then I thought, well, hang on, this is like by location of voice, but not the body. And if you think about a lot of the stories that you hear or I hear in the course of my my interests things like um you know when our when our uncle was was on the the ship in world war ii and it was torpedoed by the germans and he sank and died at the very time that happened there was a massive bang in our house that woke everybody up that was totally unexplained and there's a lot of these stories where at a traumatic point in somebody's life close to you there's some kind of a sign takes place in your own life like a sound a voice or even seeing that person and so i began to think well hang on a minute couldn't doppelgangers actually be inadvertent by location in the sense that i'm sitting just daydreaming i kind of get into a meditative mental state and I'm thinking about being somewhere with someone and to them I am or the other example would be I'm in a life-threatening situation I'm under a lot of stress and I want to I want to tell somebody that I'm okay or that this is happening to me and they're in my mind and I'm thinking about them so hard that inadvertently I bilocate and so you know I've got this sort of theory that we're all capable of bilocating under certain circumstances, accidentally or under periods of stress, and that perhaps doppelganger activity and bilocation are one and the same thing. I mean, it's just a theory, and I'm interested if any of your listeners agree with that sort of idea or if anybody's got any other ideas or evidence to the contrary. But to me, it seems like that's a strong possibility. Now, you do have quite a few examples of bilocation, especially from the saints of these churches. Do they have to do this involuntarily? That's difficult to say. I mean, I think the implication is that by nature of their saintliness and their holiness and their need to help fellow souls along the way, they find a way somehow of being in two places at once. so I think the implication is that they don't know they're doing it necessarily or that they haven't sort of planned on doing it but find they are able to do it and then utilize this skill to be able to help people more than they can if they're just in one place at a time the kind of story that you see is you know they're giving a sermon or preaching in a church in Europe and simultaneously converting people in Africa or you know the United States back in the 17th century and they're actually so good at converting people wherever they've chosen to convert the natives, shall we say, that a legend or a story builds up about this particular person who looks like this and speaks and behaves like this and has some particular characteristic that converted all these people. And once this filters back, it becomes obvious that it is this saint person, if you follow me, what I'm trying to say. So if you go back to the 17th, 18th century, it's not possible for someone to actually say, well, you know, he was in New York and he was also in, I don't know, South Africa at the same time because obviously there wasn't that kind of communication. But if a person had gained a reputation for converting people in South Africa that reached the ears of the local priest and then came back to Europe as a story, then you can imagine that that would be considered evidence that this person was in two places at the same time. There are also even better examples of that. People like Padre Pio was actually witnessed as being in two places at the same time doing different things And multiple times not just once but multiple times And there is an implication that some of them knew what they were doing because St Paul of the Cross is actually reputed to have said to someone who questioned, having just seen him elsewhere, be still, I came here for an act of charity. And so the implication is, you know, Paul of the Cross knew that he was able to be in two places at once and was consciously doing this. The stories that you have in your book are amazing. And I want you to share the one about the very first one that you talk about. I can't pronounce the name, so I'm not going to try. St. Alphonsus Mary de Liguori. There you go. Yeah, I can't pronounce it either. but yeah I mean he was supposed to be preaching a sermon from a pulpit and at the same time taking confession. Another time he was I guess sat in an armchair and this is a clue isn't it? This is one of the clues. He was sat in an armchair with a friend and he appeared to be lost in thought and he stayed that way for several hours almost to the point where people began to become concerned about why he was just sitting in a chair, sort of looking lost in space. Later he was asked, you know, what was wrong? Why did you look like that? And why did you, I guess, not have a need to go to the bathroom or eat or drink? And he told his friend that actually he'd been assisting the Pope at the time, who'd just died, in Rome. Now, you know, he was looked at incredulously because it was 1770, something and back then news didn't travel as fast as it does right now and and as far as his friend was concerned the pope was alive and kicking and just well but several days later news arrived that the pope had died and died at the very time that the guy was sat in the armchair in a trance so there you go um the pope the pope was being assisted at his moments of death by this saint who was actually sat in an armchair several hundred miles away by location. Does this sound something like remote viewing to you? Because it seems like they are putting themselves in some type of… Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I do see, you know, whilst I don't see a link with astral projection, I do see a link with remote viewing. And I mean, if you get into the semantics of it, some people, we could have an argument about the definition of astral projection, remote viewing, bilocation, all this stuff, but I don't think we have time. But from my point of view, remote viewing is somewhat different to astral projection because I can't astrally project other than that one time despite trying and trying and trying different methods. But I have been able to remote view, and remote viewing recently has been in the news because obviously the Americans and the Soviets funded some remote viewing activity to try as a spying activity. Back 20, 30, 40 years ago, spent a lot of money, Stargate, I think it was called, in the US. And actually one of the people that was supposed to have been one of the remote viewers for the US program years ago, I found had done a course, and so I ordered it. It was, you know, $100 plus. dollars. I was living in Houston at the time. It arrived, it was a bunch of cassettes. I went through the entire course and had some degree of success with it. And this is basically just entering a sort of mental state where your mind is awake, but your body is asleep. And then putting yourself in a location somewhere else and observing. And I was able to do it. I was in my office in the woodlands outside of Houston one day doing this. I wasn't working. I used to do an hour's meditation every day back then. And I decided I would remote view back home. And I discovered, I saw my ex-wife crying quite a lot of tears and being quite upset. So much so that I brought myself out of it and called to find out what was going on. And sure enough, some incident that upset her quite deeply and she was hysterically crying. And I went home to give her some comfort. So I have direct experience of remote viewing and how it works and the fact that it is something that you can do with some degree of success, particularly with practice. Now, again, though, when you remote view, you don't necessarily appear in the place that you're remote viewing. But I just wonder if the technique of remote viewing is the same sort of technique that you would use in order to bilocate. And I don't know what extra step you would need to take place in order to bilocate. But I think remote viewing is the way it's done so that you inadvertently think of some of the place. you put yourself there and you physically appear there um i think that's how it's done i can't do it um if anybody listening can please let us know because that would be a very exciting development um and i'd love to be able to prove this this theory and this idea because it certainly would begin to explain doppelgangers um all these other stories of ghosts of the living that kind of thing there is a there is another sort of aspect to all of this that i never mentioned in the book but I've written about elsewhere, which is the idea that sometimes we can sort of pre-warn ourselves of things as well. And I'm not sure if perhaps there isn't a relationship with that particular phenomenon. I'll give you a quick story just to illustrate what I'm talking about. Take your time. We have time. You're fine. Okay. When I was a student, I was very fortunate to get it. I was doing a PhD in geology. I was very fortunate to get a project fully funded that would take me to Nova Scotia three times over three summers for six weeks at a time. And, you know, back then, this was 1981, I was just an Englishman that had never been outside of Europe. So to go to North America was a wonderful experience. And furthermore, I was still young. I had no experience of life at all. I had to pass a driving test before I left because I would have to rent a car when I got there. And even renting a car was a fun experience because North American cars were so much more powerful and sort of sexy than European cars. You know, it was a five-liter standard engine compared to a 1.5-liter engine over here or even a liter engine. so I found myself driving this souped up five-litre Ford Mustang down these gravel roads through the forests of Nova Scotia and being quite young I don't you know some music on the radio sun streaming in going as fast as possible screaming down these gravel tracks and I was doing that this this one time and I remember it was Brian Adams on the radio I remember vividly And I was listening to Brian Adams, driving as fast as possible, even sort of moving a little bit from side to side just to feel that drag, you know, that you feel that slippage in the back wheels and enjoying myself immensely. When all of a sudden I heard a voice from the backseat say, Gary, stop. And the chill went down my spine because obviously it was just me in the car. There was nobody in the backseat. And I hit the brake. I hit the brake pretty hard, skidded like mad. And the voice said again, Gary, stop. And I pulled the car to a stop, skidding all over the place, but kept it on the road. Pulled the car to a stop. I'm looking all around. I turned the radio down. I sat there listening. I never heard the voice again. But I got out of the car, and I'm looking. And this dirt track took a herpin bend, not 50 meters from where I'd stopped, a herpin bend. And it was a sheer sort of, you know, 500-foot drop or something off the side. So this voice that said, Gary, stop to me twice from the back of the car in which there was no other person in saved my life. Now, there are a lot of stories like that, a lot of stories. And, you know, this is another area where you start to question reality. and you begin to question reality in the sense that could I have known, foreseen that this was going to happen and if so, how? And many years later I was reading a book by a gentleman called Anthony Peake who writes about – he has this theory of what happens after death and it's like when you die you relive your life over and over again, sort of improving on it over and over. and he uses all kinds of evidence near-death experiences quantum physics and all kinds of stuff and it's quite a quite an interesting theory but in in one of his books um he talks about humans having sort of two sides to them one is is the demon he calls it the other one has a different term he uses greek terminology and whilst one is is like the conscious driving in the driving seat all of the time. The other one sort of exists outside of time and has full sight of the entire life cycle. And he suspects that this kind of warning that people experience, these dramatic interventions are actually interventions by this part of yourself that has visibility of your entire life and can warn you